is. >> you do not give discounts to people who do this -- gregg: we have to go. thank you. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- jane: "the live desk" starts now. trace: this is "the live desk." alisyn: we begin with a fox news alert. trace: any minute now robert gable step to that podium. this briefing is important because we are going to hear what house reaction to iran dramatically up in the canteen. on top of firing up medium range missiles, they have also fired two longer-range missiles, long enough to reach israel for u.s.

troops in the middle east. this comes days after we learn iran has a secret nuclear facility. secretary of state hillary clinton talk about that this weekend. >> we have made it clear they have the right to peaceful nuclear energy for civilian purposes and under appropriate safeguards, but no nuclear weapons program. if we do not get the answers we are expecting, then we will work with our part is to move toward sanctions. trace: major garrett is at the white house for us. the administration is talking about much tougher sanctions. it all depends on getting china and russia on board for these more aggressive tensions. >> that is right. it all depends on how tough the sanctions will be, how soon they

take effect, and if you can get the russians and chinese aboard. dmitry medvedev did say this week that sometimes sanctions are inevitable, but at the same time, the foreign minister said that there was no legal justification to close these centers. you are beginning to see some equivocation from the russians. the administration is going to have a tremendous effort ahead of it to persuade those on the security council to impose these tougher sanctions. trace: also on the docket is afghanistan. we are told we may not expect a final decision for several weeks? >> that was what the word was

from robert gates over the weekend. they will be having several meetings in the coming weeks to look at the available options, look nato partners to see how willing they are to provide aid on the ground war more combat troops. it is becoming more clear that hamid karzai may win again in this election, and that is something that the u.s. government will have to deal with. these are all things at the white house will be taking another look at before they send more troops to afghanistan. trace: i want your take on

guantanamo. we are hearing that the closing date could be pushed back. what are the alternatives? >> they can keep it open and maintain the status quo. it has been clear for many months, to those on the outside, that in january deadline and that the president signed was not going to be met. what the president said on friday was that that could be a reality. they are trying to work out an agreement with congress, trying to understand the legal mechanisms with some of these detainees to dangers to release -- too dangerous to release. but for the first time they have

been acknowledged that they may not be able to acresolve all of these problem by january. trace: thank you. we will bring you robert kids when he speaks. alisyn: -- gibbs when he speaks. alisyn: the interview, and general stanley mcchrystal says conventional warfare will not cut it in afghanistan. this as officials of the exam and the request for more troops. >> when i'm telling people is the greatest risk we can accept his to lose the support of the people here. if the people see us as occupiers and the enemy, we cannot be successful and, casualties will go up

dramatically. alisyn: shannon bream is in washington with more. >> it sounds odd because so much of the details and information has been leaked out, but there is a process. we know that joint chiefs of staff has a copy, along with nato commanders. here is what the general said about why the president does not have it yet. >> i am going to sit on the report until the president thinks it is of corporate to bring into the discussion of national security principles. >> as we mentioned, tough meetings will be happening this week. we expect he will have his hands on that report, but at last check, it seems that maybe he does not. alisyn: i imagine there is some

criticism from those people who want this troop surge to happen right away. >> absolutely. john mccain is among them. also, senator kit bond, and his criticism for the president for delaying this. >> he can be in copenhagen and with david letterman, but he cannot be on the food network and fox. >alisyn: we know that there are some people who believe more troops should not be sent automatically. who are they? >> one of the strongest voices in the democratic senator john kerry. he said one of the keys is working in partnership with afghan government. but we all know that recent

election was unsettled, and to the afghan people see it as legitimate? he says we need to be asking questions like what is the exit strategy? even though secretary gates has said that setting an artificial time line could handover victory to the taliban. alisyn: thank you. trace: a crackdown in honduras. this is in response to the ousted president mauel zelaya. zelaya is calling on his supporters to stage a march today to mark the three-month anniversary of the coup.

alisyn: thousands protest in the streets of gaza, protesting the arrest of civilians. israeli police used stun guns to disperse demonstrators. of course, this site has been a flashpoint of tension for decades. in 2000, violence engulfed the region for several years. trace: we are still waiting for robert gibbs to step to the podium. in the meantime, you may have noticed something different about our program. we are now in wide screen. no worries, we have all the information for you.

go to our website, foxnews.com, click on "widescreen"and follow the step and follow the steps. we will have everything for you. alisyn: it is not that we ate more over the weekend, we are just in widescreen. in the meantime, he ran in a new show of force testing sophisticated missiles. all this as the world ways concerns that they run is building a nuclear bomb. we will talk to someone who had

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trace: in the top box, three children were killed after flames poured from their home. police say their mom and another child escaped from their home near the new york-pennsylvania border. no word on what started the fire. in the middle box, that is robert gibbs. he is doing some housecleaning. as soon as he makes news, we don't go there. in the bottom box, a long-range missile that could go 12 under miles from iran. -- as soon as he makes news, we will go there.

alisyn: iran in reviving its war games, testing two long-range missiles. one of them, in fact, that told that moment. let's go to robert gibbs. >> i would lump any of these into the productive -- provocative nature iran has entered into for a number of years. the reasons that this is in for made to change from something that dealt with virtually only an icbm threat was proven.

the decision and that secretary gates, and joint chiefs, unanimously approved, as well as the president, is something that deals with the exact read -- medium and into medium-range missiles. >> how does it affect the atmosphere for the october 1 talks? what, specifically, does he ran need to do on october 1 to the fill the president's call that they come clean? >> they are supporting and good access to their facility, personnel, and to documents related to the construction of the facility. that is certainly what we hope

iran is willing to do, to engage in full transparency and demonstrate to the world that it will give up its nuclear weapons program and inshore, whatever it does is in the -- ensure, what ever it does, indee is within te lines of sanctions. they have one of two pads they can take. they can continue the path they have been on, even while the world has shown conclusive intelligence about a facility or it can make a decision to step

away from its nuclear weapons program and build confidence in the world and build a meaningful relationship with the rest of the world. >> back in june when you were asked whether or not the deadline to close guantanamo could be reached, you said absolutely. i am sure you heard over the weekend that the secretary of defense said it would be tough. what happened? >> we are continuing to make progress. we have had more and more people transferred out of guantanamo bay. take a look and what you saw this weekend.

officials, as well as john mccain, repeating that we need to close guantanamo. that it improves our image around the world. we have work to do, work that is progressing, in reforming military commissions, maintaining a permanent detention facility for those that would remain. >> is the white house resigned to the fact that the deadline -- >> we are not focused whether or not the deadline will be met. we are focused on ensuring the facility is closed and doing all that needs to be done so that we can make all the progress we can. >> how close is the president to reviewing the troops strategy for afghanistan and making a decision on whether or more troops are needed?

>> i think we have tapes from the secretary-general. i assume any decision is any number of weeks away. i think you saw secretary gates say resource request that he gets will not be sent to the white house until he and the president believes we are in a position, having reached consensus on moving forward, how best to focus that consensus. >> what can you tell us about the lobbying effort behind this? >> do not really know if it is behind the scenes, if you are asking me about it. obviously, the president has mentioned it in meetings. the emir at the u.n. and g-20

and he will continue to talk to people in copenhagen. he is going to do his best to bring the olympics to chicago. >> what is his best pitch? >> having spent some time in the city, it is a perfect place to have the olympics. it offers a great place for a world to see. it offers all the amenities that one would want in the olympics. i believe, far and away, it is the strongest bid out there. >> what happens if he does not get it? >> you will have to call tommy. [laughter] >> [inaudible] >>, was there a lot of people

over here obsessing about whether or not that particular day was going to be met rather than getting it done? that is the focus. >> if you are not focused on a particular date, there is no deadline. >> that is not true. we want to get it done. secretary gates made a compelling case of what happens in this town if you do not set a deadline. there's no doubt we are making significant progress, that there is bipartisan agreement that me to get something done to close this facility. that it will improve our own security, health our standing in the world. that is what the administration is focused on. >> on sanctions with bite, as the president described, have you made any commitment in the past few days with russia or

china? you cannot get something without them. >> we are focused on thursday. understand this. there has never been a stronger international consensus to address iran and its nuclear weapons program then there is right now. you saw the comments last week. you heard directly from the russian president about this. we are focused on the meeting on thursday, and we hope iran is focused on its international obligations. we are not going to get far ahead of ourselves beyond what happens beyond that, we are focused on this meeting. >> no matter how strong russia and china support -- >> chip, two weeks ago, no one

ever thought that we would be where we are right now, with an international consensus that something has to be done. >> how concerned is the president that any sanctions with bite are going to hurt the iranian people more? if you are thinking about particular sanctions, they are going to hurt the iranian people, who have been hurting so much already. >> i am not going to get into conjecture. >> on copenhagen, the president made the case -- by the way, what is the proper pronunciation? >> copenhagen is fine. the market is good, too. -- denmark is good, too.

earlier, it seemed that president obama was not planning to go. what has happened since? >> i think he felt strongly, personally, that he felt he needed to make the case. >> he is not or read with health care? -- worried about health care? >> i believe he thinks he can get back and finish this in time. >> [inaudible] is that where he lays out his strategy for a review decision? it is tomorrow's agenda just hearing ideas?

can you give us some description? >> we are going through the process of assessing where we are, what has changed, what needs to happen, where we need to go. this is not going to be finished in one meeting or several, but it is in the beginning of a process for making some of the venture will determinations. as we said, the president asked that the policy be reviewed. in the lead up to elections, the president elected 21,000 additional troops be sent to afghanistan. the end of that number is beginning to arrive in afghanistan. but as you heard over the weekend, and that -- in that time period, we have had an

election that is not conclusive. secondly, secretary gates said the assessment of conditions on the ground were worse than previously assumed. alisyn: you have been listening to the daily press briefing with robert gibbs. we were listening with particular interest what he had to say about iran, given their recent firing of missiles. he said there has never been a stronger international consensus on iran then there have been now. let's bring in our expert. he sat down for dinner with the iranian president. do you agree with robert gibbs that there is an international consensus? is china and russia on board? >> i think there is certainly

more agreement than there was prior to this revelation about a second plant. that has helped the president go in with a stronger group session. but i also think that he is right to say sanctions are part of this, but at the end of the day, it is about transparency. sanctions give a country a reason to negotiate, but they are never going to be strong enough to cause iran to roll over. they are too proud for that. we can give them an incentive to negotiate so that we can have more access and transparency. alisyn: ok, about that transparency, robert gibbs says that they want unfettered access. you spoke to president ahmadinejad. is he going to go along with that? >> he offered his own solution.

he said he would be willing to offer meeting between engineers and scientists in iran, as well as those in the west. this is important because it is not just facilities but personnel and technology. to have more interaction with those scientists will add transparency, but that is not enough. obviously, unable have to open up this newly discovered plants. i expect the agency will be there and we will get a report to see what exactly is going on. alisyn: thank you for your input. trace: it is being called the worst flooding in decades. there could be more to come. we are live in the philippines.

trace: president obama heading to copenhagen to place his bid to have chicago host the olympics. shoulin case you forgot, chicags his home town. clinton? but in the middle box, -- a coincidence? in the middle box, six people

are dead after a bus bomb blasted in south iraq. in the bottom box, robert gibbs called and war games from iran provocative, as well as saying that iran needs to give officials immediate access to their underground plant. alisyn: the philippine government is reaching out to the world for help after some of the worst flooding in more than 40 years. at least 140 have been killed. at least 30 others are missing. now there is new concern more bad weather could be on the way. david piper is with us from bangkok. >> from what we hear, the death toll has risen to 140 but there are fears that could rise considerably higher. the philippine government is

asking the world for help. we are talking about over 100,000 people in temporary shelters at this time. they need helicopters out to those surrounding areas to bring food and perhaps emergency aid to these people. at one point, the u.s.s. ron redmond came through -- ronald reagan came through, and officials are perhaps considering using the helicopters from that ship to help. alisyn: why has it been so difficult to get help to the victims? >> it is actually quite unprecedented, this amount of rain. there has been quite a lot of

rain falling for about one month. they have very limited emergency services. we know that only one u.s. summer did the helicopter is being used, but when you have 100,000 in need of help, that overwhelms any emergency service. that is why the call has gone out to help. alisyn: we hear there could be more bad weather on the way. thank you for that. trace: the u.s. government taking unprecedented steps to track any traces of the h1n1 vaccine. a spokesperson from the cdc saying with so many people getting vaccinated in a short time, they are setting up a monitoring procedures to detect any problems. some programs will include tracking patients to see if they

call a doctor, giving them the cards on how to detect side effects, as well as checking up on people through e-mail. dr. manny alvarez is with us now. so the idea is to attract as many people as possible to see what happened? >> the vaccine is coming and they want about half a million people vaccinated. they still have the getting down from the swine flu in the 1970's, and if you look at the statistics, those cases were not really more than you expect. maybe 1 per 100,000. but one of the things they will be pointing at is the coincidence. 20 dozen people have a heart attack every day in the u.s.. 19 babies are lost in miscarriages. so if you get your h1n1 shot and

the next day you have a heart attack, people will say, the vaccine gave him a heart attack. the reality is, there are some underlying factors. alisyn: so they will not really know if it is connected. >> they might see a spike in the numbers, the epidemiologists will try to analyze the numbers. but in reality, this vaccine is no different than the regular flu vaccine. at the end of the day, we should not expect to have any major side effects. some people are going to get a small favor, almost-flu-like symptoms. those are some of the normal things that you can get.

trace: what is the point of the data? if we do 100,000, 20% had these problems. by the time you have the information it is six months down the road. >> you cannot have your cake and eat it, too. they are predicting a big h1n1 outbreak in different markets of the country. we know there are a lot of people, especially young children and pregnant women, people with certain medical conditions, where this h1n1 can be very badly. so you have to play the odds. trace: you can get tons of information on the virus by logging on to foxnews.com and typing in h1n1 in the search box. you will find out everything you

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alisyn: welcome back. take a look at the right side of your screen. the dow is having a good morning, up 150 points. i'm going to call my broker in the second. in the middle box, acorn is losing support from one of its largest corporate sponsors. bank of america has announced it will be severing ties with a community group the housing division did receive grants from the bank, paying for counseling

first-time home owners. now the company says it will not enter any new agreements, pending the investigation. of course, that was the result of the video that we showed you. in the bottom box, is wrapping up his trip to the czech republic. trace: there is a brand new push in health care overhaul. 32 democrats voting to give benefits to illegal immigrants. in a letter to congress, lawmakers said --

but president obama has said that the illegals should be excluded from coverage, right? brad blakeman, they say that the league of should be able to buy into this program, but it would not be subsidized by taxpayers. we did some research. you cannot buy into this program without having some taxpayer dollars on the line. >> if you thought the public option was going to kill this bill, you have not seen anything. some of the most liberal parts of the party always wanted to provide insurance for illegals. this is nonsense. the american people want

affordable health care for themselves, not to people who should not even be here in the first place. trace: doesn't this have enough controversy in it? >> of course, we do not need to cover illegal immigrants. it is a nonstarter. the issue with the illegals is getting them out of america. if this bill focuses on that cause, then it would be a step in the right direction. trace: this is the latest recipe simple. -- rasmussen poll. 56% oppose, 41% in favor of health care. >> it is not getting better. they need a bipartisan solution,

without the public option, and finding a basis for which 70% of the american people can agree. then they can get majority support. trace: the last time we checked, the numbers were in the other direction. >> democrats have not come together amongst themselves. then there is this fear of cost. the cbo is telling us the cost to the average american will be dear, both in taxes and in paying for health care. they will be mailed by the government and insurance companies for higher costs generated from the government. as doug pointed out, there is enough agreement between democrats and republicans within

portability, tort reform, cutting waste, abuse. let's do that. half a loaf is better than none at all. trace: i wanted to play this from jim bunning. >> i wanted to offer a transparency amendment in which we post legislative language, posted for 72 hours, and then we have a cbo score for this. the other side voted this down. trace: basically, they want the cbo to tell us how much this will cost, and they want to put it on on for 72 hours. >> i think all legislation should have that. everyone says that this is a legislation that congress needs. the senator is right.

we need scoring. trace: max baucus says they do not have time to put this on line, but they took the weekend off. >> olympia snowe put it very well. she is a liberal republican, at best, and is working hard to get a bipartisan bill. she said, what is the rush? let the american people understand what their representatives are doing for them. there should not be a rush. this should not be like the spending bill. trace: thank you. alisyn: a series of missile tests from iran, and they promised more to come. upping the ante after the

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trace: breaking news concerning the murder of darian albert. >> the three suspects have just been turned as adults and held without bond. a few moments ago in their bond hearing finished in chicago. i just got off the phone with the school where the young man

attended. police believe he was an innocent bystander who got swept up in two groups of teenagers fighting from opposite neighborhoods. the youngest suspect, the 16- year-old, was already on conviction for robbery. now all three are being held, charged as adults, without bond. we will see what happens. of course, the community meeting in about 10 minutes on that school campus. a lot of mourning happening today. alisyn: are you sometimes a cigar smoker? trace: some times. alisyn: diplomatic relations begin to thaw between the u.s. and cuba. now there are questions over the

legitimacy of products. phil keating is on the story in miami. >> the question of whether or not is illegal for cuban americans to sue and then reap benefits from the cuban government is a question that will be decided in federal court. there is a hearing in a couple of minutes. what the plaintiffs are doing is somewhat novel. it is a creative way to get these assets, using a post-9/11 aftct, and that would allow citizens to collect damages from any country if they are on a list of terror countries. alisyn: money for what? >> a lot of these people lost relatives, property, businesses, all during the revolution.

revolutionary leaders seized all private property on the island, so a lot of people moved to the miami area. one family, they had a family member died in the invasion. his family recently won a $100 million judgment on the government. but that came from a circuit judge. that was two years ago. they have only been able to collect $1 million out of the $100 million. alisyn: if it does happen, it would seem to be unprecedented. >> there is very little case law on this, but the u.s. as done something like this before. more importantly, if the judge determined that this is

something that can be done, most likely according to trademark experts, a judge would seize certain trademarks and then auctioned it off to the highest bidder. a radically, whoever pays the highest bid would delegate that money. alisyn: thank you for explaining all of that. trace: michelle obama sending a message to women, saying do what makes you happy. in an interview with a "prevention" magazine, she said her family feed off of her good moved. she urges women to put themselves on a high priority list. she goes on to say her happiness has a direct affect on her children and husband. when she feels good, and they feel good. alisyn: sounds good it appears more and more gitmo will not close by president obama's

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[captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- trace: this idaho "the live desk." this is where the news begins. -- this is "the live desk." that is the national desk. over here is the foreign desk. here is the media desk, where all the pictures come into fox news. here on "the live desk" those pictures will always be on the right-hand side. alisyn: in the top box, secret revelations of a secret facility in iran. now be defined regime has fired off longer-range missiles, able to reach israel and u.s. troops in the middle east. trace: u.s. commanders on the ground in afghanistan calling for more troops, but we are hearing that a decision may not

happen for weeks. alisyn: more fallout from the activist group acorn. we will tell you who is now cutting ties with acorn. we can defend against an attack from anyone, especially the u.s. and israel. those are the words from iran as it conducts more games and it admits it is building a in a nuclear facility. today they fired one of its most powerful weapons in its arsenal, a long-range missile with a 1200-mile range. we are live in london. tell me what the significance of this weapon is. >> it is more the timing, not the technology. according to experts here in the united kingdom, we have known that they had this missile with a range of 1,200 miles, able to hit israel.

what is it significant -- what is significant is the timing. it was just a few days ago iran admitted to having this secret but we're facility. -- nuclear facility. it is also just before keith talks on their nuclear program where u.s. officials will gain them on an unprecedented level. it is also about 10 days after the iranian president made comments that were bad be received by israel and many other countries about how the days for israel are numbered. of course, he also denied the holocaust. so it is the timing about this that has people particularly concerned.

alisyn: what do experts think the motivation is? is this about causing trouble or try to get the world attention? >> iranians say this is all about showing they have self- defense, but a lot of people are also saying that this has to do with their domestic problems, the legitimacy factor. of course, ahmadinejad won in a disputed election. that this and has been muffled, cracked down against, people have been put in jail, and there are some horrific stories about people standing up for democracy. there were some anti-government demonstrations at the university today, so president ahmadinejad may be trying to show his strength. also, the russians indicated

that they would be willing to support sanctions against iran, so iran may feel the need to do some saber rattling. trace: in the meantime, the battle brewing in afghanistan. top officials seem to be on the same page. the white house is examining their long-term strategy in afghanistan as top generals are divided on the issue. robert gates says defeat in afghanistan would be disastrous for the u.s. with us is a senior fellow and a terrorism analyst. it will be weeks before any decisions are made about afghanistan. general mcchrystal addressed that exact point. >> when someone asks, you pull

on a calendar. in a good organization, you look at your watch. trace: basically, he is asking for help the administration is saying, we will think about it, and it could take weeks to get the answer. >> all of the generals and commanders involved know the number they need to basically defeat the taliban and afghanistan. there are three things that they need to look at quickly before making an incision. number one, there is no difference between al qaeda and taliban. number two, there is no major difference with al qaeda between pakistan and afghanistan. number three, there is no such thing as good and bad taliban. trace: let's assume they get the help that they need, they get

30,000 new troops. is it enough to defeat the taliban, who is growing by the day? >> the real heart of the matter is what happened the day after. let's assume the generals get the support and defeat the taliban. what is it that the u.s. can do to keep the victory? what can we do with civil society? are we broadcasting the right program? if not, the taliban will come back with recruitment and indoctrination. that is the part of the strategy that we need to clarify. trace: do we have a partner on this? i know there has to be a lot of concern with hamid karzai it turns out he is more corrupt than anyone thought. if he does not have the power that he needs, is he going to be an effective partner with the

u.s. to go forward? >> that is the other problem we have subcontracted hamid karzai and afghan government for the past few years to do this process of democratization. we should have engaged directly with ngo's, women's movements, student movements, and speak to them directly. trace: thank you, whalid. alisyn: pope benedict xvi is holding an open mass in his visit to the czech republic. he says the world needs god- following people. pope benedict recalled the evils of communist-era religious oppression and urged young people to avoid the seduction of

consumerism. trace: bank of america distancing itself from acorn. the two had worked together for years on foreclosure prevention, but according to the "wall street journal" the bank has suspended current commitments to acorn. so what does this mean? bank of america says, we think we are not going to help you any more. >> they have a host of issues they are dealing with. to be associated with acorn might be the last thing they want. remember, this is the housing sector of acorn. also, they have a different order directors, a different budget than regular acorn.

however, they did not want to be associated with any group which shares the name. why would you? trace: tax evasion, prostitution by the way, -- tax evasion, prostitution. by the way, that was cheryl cassone. >> the reason the relationship is the way it stands now, if you are facing foreclosure, you will be more comfortable calling people you know, instead of the big bad bank. that is why the grants were put in place, but also, acorn housing has received federal funding. they are getting money, but

these grants from the bank of america are going to cease. trace: the dominoes are falling. acorn is on thin ice. >> absolutely. maybe they were doing some good things for the community, but the fact that they share offices with the housing group within some of these cities was enough for the bank to say, we are going to back away. probably a smart move, from their perspective. alisyn: you may have noticed something different about our programming. fox news is now in a wide screen. we have created a web site for new viewers. it will take you through the new format and answer commonly asked questions. go to foxnews.com and click on

widescreen in the corner. you can get all of your questions answered. questions like, how do you stop 12:00 from blinking on your vcr? in the meantime, president obama promises greater transparency and has vowed to shut down guantanamo. but now the pentagon is cutting down on access from reporters. so how are we supposed to know what is going on, and what happened to transparency?

alisyn: welcome back. in top box, russia is saying it is worried about iran test

firing missiles. foreign ministers still calling for restraint, but he is concerned on the heels of this new facility. in the middle box, the former chief executive for enron's technology division ordered to pay $7 million of restitution. prosecutors say he falsely promoted the broadband division to analysts to inflate the stock price. in the bottom box, they are more than 100 and there are more than 140 people dead after tropical storms late philippines under water. 30 people are still missing and there are dozens of unconfirmed deaths. now there are fears that a new round of storms could flood the region even more. trace: it seems unlikely

president obama will meet his own deadline to shut down guantanamo bay by january. the white house now admitting the process is more complicated than they thought. in the meantime, concerns about what is happening in get no, but reporters are finding it more difficult to get the answers they need. catherine herridge, why is it getting more difficult for reporters to cover this story? >> used to be able to make side trips to the camp when there was court in session. now there is a decision coming from the defense department that has stopped allowing these sorts of trips. a pentagon spokesperson did not directly respond to our question but said through e-mail -- so the defense department wants to keep them separate for the

time being. trace: what about the context? was there an incident that led the defense department to limit these trips? >> we showed up with a camera and there were some prisoners who held up a sign questioning the president. multiple sources have told us that it was this incident that broke the straw on the camel's back. it was embarrassing for the white house. interestingly, that was the last trip for those journalists. trace: i am hearing now that the aclu has taken an interest in the lack of transparency. >> they told us they were routinely denied access to the camp, and now they say this

limiting of the journalist is equally troubling. >> especially with the obama administration asking for more transparency, it is ironic that journalists are not being allowed more freedom. >> officials are suggesting that the reporters, like myself, should request separate trips to the camp, which are expensive and time-consuming. in the past, we were simply able to make that quick trip across the camp. trace: catherine herridge, thank you. alisyn: a brand new report with frightening implications for the war on terror. why a new study says only one of of four terrorism suspects only make it to trial. so what does this mean for

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call the number on your screen or visit libertytena.com. úú alisyn: and there is a troubling study from syracuse never a city that says a town of 9000 suspects charged in connection with terrorism, less than 3000 are pursued by prosecutors. we have a criminal defense attorney. basically, these studies find only one out of the four terrorism suspects only make it to trial. the rest go free? >> in essence, yes, but the silver lining is, they are doing their job. we have law enforcement to thank, and they're getting to them before a crime is committed. if they waited, they would have

a ton of evidence, that they are preventing crime. alisyn: that is right. but from all of this great police work that we have seen, that is good news, but if you are not prosecuting them, aren't they just going back and redoubling their success? >> this study include immigration violations, identity theft as well. so things are not necessarily connected to terrorism itself. it is a message that if you are going to help, we are here, we know what your doing, and if you get back into it again, we are going to slam the door on you. alisyn: but these are people arrested under terrorism suspicion, so why are they not prosecuted more?

>> even if they are charged with a terrorist act, it may not, in reality, connect to actual acts of terrorism. for instance, identity that could be considered a terrorist act. i assure you, when they are following a suspect, if they do not get him to conviction, they will be watching them in the future, and they know they are being watched, and that alone could stop any sort of activity. alisyn: that would certainly be the best case scenario but it seems we are having a problem with the definition of a terrorist. >> i think what we are dealing with is people being picked up and perhaps indiana is

classified. there could be a problem where we say all these people are terrorists, but they are not. there have been 23 lots that have been foiled by law enforcement, which is a tremendous testament to them. all these other cases are not like that. they are not connected to these bigger terrorist plots. we suspect they could be terrorist-related, but they may not be. and some of these cases could be as simple as that in the theft. alisyn: of the 2900 cases prosecuted since 2004, 2300 were convicted. so it sounds like prosecutions are on track, perhaps more so than should be prosecuted? >> in many cases, they do not have the evidence to prosecute. when they do, the conviction rate is pretty high.

but they are getting some of these people off the streets, sometimes prematurely, but they are right on the money when they have evidence and a terrorist plot actually occurs. alisyn: it sounds like that may have happened with najibullah zazi. apparently the police wanted to continue their work but they had to move in and they did. >> that is what they stated as justification. they said they could have continued to follow them, but at some point, they could have consummated in legitimate plan. they are doing their job. we are used to police responding to cries that have already been committed. what police are doing now is attempting to find those crimes before they happen.

this is part of the war on terrorism, this is intelligence at the most local level. alisyn: that sounds like the silver lining. as long as the suspects are not going back to their original plans once they are released. >> again, some of these people may only have some relation to terrorism. they are being warned, we know who you are. alisyn: thank you. trace: in the meantime, new developments against najibullah zazi. he is due back in court tomorrow. prosecutors say he planned to unleash a terrorist attack on new york city on the anniversary of 9/11, but questions remain on who was helping him. so far, no, says have been

named. his father and an imam face charges of lying to investigators. we are learning more about the jordanian man who planned a failed plot in dallas. the roommate of hosam maher smadi said that he was lonely and unhappy in the past few years, and happy to be away from his family. he parked a van he thought was filled with explosives under a dallas skyscraper. it was given to him by an fbi undercover investigator. he is due in court next month. alisyn: troops coming home saddled with debt. what is being done to help them with college tuition.

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trace: we have some brand new information on a few big stories. iran has fired some long-range missiles. wendell goler has an update from the white house. >> iran's missile tests the limits the president's decision to go to war quickly -- to cancel the missile defense system that the bush administration planned. u.s. officials are heading to thursday's talks on iran's

nuclear policy, believing there had never been stronger international consensus to deal with the problem. trace: the top general in afghanistan said he wants more troops. the white house says a decision could take weeks. shannon bream is in washington. >> the president will begin meeting with key national security advisers to see where we go next. stanley mcchrystal has given his assessment and we expect him to acsk for up to 40,000 more troops. it will be a few weeks before we know how the administration plans to proceed. alisyn: there are breaking developments on a story that we have been watching from texas. and s.u.v. slamming into a day care van. harris faulkner has the details. >> the grand prairie police

department releasing some details. they are finding out the day care van may have caused this accident. preliminary reports say that the day care man may have been the one to run a red light and was sideswiped by the s.u.v. there were 24 children inside the van. that is a 15-passenger van. so now they may not have only run the red light, but there may have been more people inside that should have been. at least eight children and one of the adults inside the day care van went to the hospital for precautions. we are told everyone is in pretty good shape. nothing too serious, but some

very angry parents wanting to know, was the van overcrowded, was a chaotic inside, and did it run a red light? those are the questions being asked the right now. we know that police are still gathering information at the scene. witnesses say construction workers were the first people to respond nearby. you can see them there. back to you. alisyn: thank you. trace: thousands of veterans of iraq and afghanistan are waiting for money from the government. they promised to pay for their education. the department of veterans affairs have only paid about half of the veterans of both the money for the current semester. nancy pelosi says an emergency

checks will be issued later this week. we have a representative from a network of college campuses >> under this new post-9/11 g.i. bill, which became effective august 1, more veterans are going back to college this fall. over all, it has great intentions. the bad news is, the government is taking longer to pay out benefits. said those students are personally on the hook for rent, tuition, books, food, and some are taking on jobs, but others are going into debt. many are very frustrated. >> right now i am focused on getting started with class. for the most part, i am nervous. it is in the back of my mind. if i do not get money, i will be

racking up some douebt. >> the department of veterans affairs says that most of the students are entitled to a check, but some are skeptical about the aid. they will be available at about 57 offices, and they say that they are doing everything they can to alleviate this financial burden. trace: thank you. the fbi is releasing never before seen tapes of the chaos immediately following the 1995 oklahoma city bombing. the video does not show the explosion but it shows people running out of the office near the blast site. when nevada lawyer got the tapes through a freedom of information act and says the video seems to

be edited, going black before the explosions took place. alisyn: the debate is raging across america. should we go to a government-run health insurance system? we are going north of the border to ask people in canada to see how their government system is working out.

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trace: in the top box, a frantic search for two girls, one is pregnant. police say bench last there's a day, last seen with their stock that. kira is due to have a baby any minute now. she is 12th. she was meant to have a medical

procedure the day that she disappeared. in the middle box, new evidence that iran is helping other rogue nation with their nuclear ambitions. hugo chavez says iran is helping their country find and test uranium deposits, although does not have any plans to develop nuclear weapons. in the bottom box, the dow is doing pretty good today. up 130 points. alisyn: breaking new to tell you about from los angeles airport. a passenger had to be removed from a flight. >> this is united airlines flight 22. it was on its way to cairo. we do not know what the passenger did, but one passenger

and did something and they had to turn around. we do not know what happened, but apparently a problem involving a passenger. we are not being told it is medical. they are now at terminal gate 73. they are going to take the passengers off the airplane. i just put a call through to homeland security, as i always do in cases like this. i am waiting for them to get back to me about this. yes, it is domestic, but it is on its way -- it was on its way to cairo, and when that happens, i like to ask everyone i can. again, united flight 22 landing,

turning around shortly after leaving. i should say, not landing. something happened, and it was enough for them to turn around and to get the type of response that you see, all lot of law enforcement. the airport is treating this as an emergency situation, although they did not say medical emergency. again, putting phone calls through to the homeland security, only because this was an international flight. it was scheduled to stop through jfk airport here in new york. as i learn more, i will let you know. trace: in the meantime, they have the health care that some

lawmakers in this country have. the long lines have led them to travel here for treatment. we are in british columbia with dan spanair. tell me more about the stories you or hearing. >> it would chuckle lot of americans. a 2-year-old boy with a multiple seizures. his parents say they need to give him an mri to see what is happening, but because it is considered a specialty, they had to go to the u.s. to have their diagnosis. another woman in excruciating pain wanted to have back fusion surgery. she waited three years before the surgery finally took place. then there is one toronto man who was told he had to wait three months for an mri to diagnose a malignant tumor in his brain. he was then told he needed to

reform months to see a specialist. he will send that it was too long and went to buffalo to have surgery he says it saved his life. >> they send them home because they did not have a passport. he died before he was able to be seen. >> the independent institute, a think tank holding this form is trying to show how americans may think twice about going to the canadian-style of health care. trace: some of the canadians like their system, and they defend it. >> that is right. polls consistently show about 80% of people would rather have this system rather than the one we have in the u.s., based on private insurance. they say these inefficiencies

can be worked out within the system. go into a system where everybody is not covered is not the way to go, so they defend their system, but at the same time, many are coming to the u.s. for care. there are brokers who are even putting canadian patients in contact with american doctors. trace: thank you. alisyn: look who i have? shepard smith is going to tell us -- shepard: that is the pbs station. there is a rabbit on that screen. how are you? we should just stand up and to

this normally. what do we have coming up? have your credit card rates gone up? you are going to meet this woman. i think she was at 13%. right before they changed these laws, her interest rate was increased to 30%. her claim, and they do not deny it, is that she has paid her bills on time every time they told her to go away, but she did not go away. she mounted a campaign, and it worked. then there is this deal with afghanistan. there are a lot of right- thinking people who do not think this is going to work, no matter what. we have been told that we need more troops, a new strategy. at any rate, we are going to

have the author of a book, and he is something of a terrorist expert. he is going to give us his advice. just to settle things down in afghanistan, i do not think that is when everyone wants. alisyn: did you see general mcchrystal last night? he is pretty impressive. shepard: would you be willing to tell him that we cannot do this, you cannot have the troops? alisyn: that was pretty comforting, but he may have different views from the president. shepard: we are going to see what happens. our guest will be able to give us some insight on what is happening now. think of it this way. part of the more is in pakistan. he is going to give us some ideas on how to manage this

better. so your war on afghanistan and against credit card companies are covered in the next hour. do you feel wider today? alisyn: a lot more air to breathe. trace: we are hearing that officials may have identified some accomplices of najibullah zazi. the officials say that he tried to pull off the biggest terror plot since 9/11. now they could have accomplices. the alleged mastermind of a $7 billion fraud getting banged up in prison. allen stanford and up with a broken nose and two black eyes. he is very controlling and she is out of control. is hugo chavez in love?

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trace: there is breaking news on the terrorism threat. the associated press saying authorities have told them that they have identified three accomplices of najibullah zazi. that is the man police believe tried to set off a weapon of mass destruction in new york. they believe he went to view the supply stores and bought things like hydrogen peroxide and acetone. they believe these three other accomplices help him purchase these things. they say they are also from the

new york city area. they would not specify if they had them in their sides, where they are, or more importantly, where all of this bomb-making material could be. as we get more information on this, we will bring it to you. alisyn: r. allen stanford is charging -- facing more than charges of running a ponzi scheme. he is recovering from injuries he received in a prison brawl. he was hospitalized with a concussion, two black eyes, and a broken nose. it occurred during a prison fight. he denies charges of running a ponzi scheme. trace: do we look bigger, more imposing to you? we are in a wide-screen now. diane macedo is here to give us

a the skinny on my screen. >> as of september 28, we are in widescreen for everyone. what some give on may not know is how to make this happen on their television. we have created a guide to show you how to do that. on foxnews.com, you can click on the wide-screen link on the right hand side. trace: that is a handsome looking couple. >> this is just an explanation of why we made the switch. the widescreen tab will tell you how to optimize your viewing, no matter what tv you have. we also have some simple troubleshooting tips for common issues that people often experience with their television.

we also have the digital faq's, answers to frequently asked questions. lastly, my favorite, our digital dictionaries. this is perfect for someone looking for a new tv, or curious about what their current television is capable of. this breaks it down for you. the next time someone says 720p, you will know what they are talking about. is all about making people -- helping people in their television viewing experience. alisyn: you cannot look wider at all. we have a brewing love story to tell you about. usually we see hugo chavez backslapping dictators, but apparently he is also a fan of

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trace: an unhappy customer of bank of america is suing the money. that is your contest. the claim could dwarf any

penalties the troubled company could have to pay the sec. a federal judge called the lawsuit in comprehensible. he gave him until october 1 to come up with an explanation. he is used to big money cases. alisyn: did you say billion trillion? a loudmouth dictator falls for an out of control rock star. actually, this happened at a hollywood premiere. flirting with courtney love at the premier of "south of the border." she is calling the twice divorced hugo chavez de sexy

dawg. hugo chavez then invited courtney love to visit him in caracas. they do not call her courtney love for nothing. thank you for watching, everybody. trace: great to have you. we will see you here next time. shepard: this is "studio b." you may notice that fox news channel looks a little different today. the reason those bars are here is today's the first day we are able to produce all of our program -- all of our programs in high definition. it is a new technology. fox news is the first to use it. you can read more about it at our website. our website.