the severses, and police found no evidence they even made it to london. already, local newspapers ran headlines about the severses' mysterious disappearance. the police suspected foul play and decided to conduct a forensic search for blood inside the severses' home. detectives noticed some suspicious dark stains on the side of the bathtub and performed a kastle-meyer test. a damp cotton swab is used to wipe the stain, and then some phenolphthalein and hydrogen peroxide are added. the sample of the stain found on the bathtub turned a bright pink -- a positive presumptive test for the presence of blood. >> the fact we'd found blood didn't necessarily prove conclusively that it had come from a violent action. one of them could have cut themselves in the bathroom. anything could have happened.

>> narrator: police also noticed a blood smear on the back seat of derrick severs' automobile, and the kastle-meyer test confirmed that stains on the garage door were, indeed, blood spatter. police noticed something else that was suspicious -- they found a large number of green fibers in the hallway, inside the house, in the trunk of mr. severs' automobile, and on a pair of trousers believed to be roger's. the fibers were an important clue because they did not match any items inside the house. this was an indication that the source of the fibers had recently been removed. >> the actual item itself was missing, as were the two severses -- mr. and mrs. severs. so logic tells you that it's gone with the two. it's part of the crime scene. >> narrator: the police were

convinced that the severses had been the victims of foul play and suspected that roger severs knew more about his parents' whereabouts than he was telling them. ññññ

>> narrator: investigators believed that roger severs was involved with his parents' disappearance, but they had no proof that a crime had been committed and had no hard evidence suggesting where their bodies might be. the search for the severses began in their own backyard, since it appeared that the gardens had recently been excavated and there had also been some kind of fire.

>> you'd need a very, very big fire to dispose of bodies, and there's no way they could have been disposed of on there. >> narrator: the police didn't find any human remains, but they did find small bits of carpet and clothing in the ashes. >> it was like looking for a needle in a haystack because all around there is rural -- this huge expanse of water, lots of forests, trees, woods, open fields. how on earth do you find a body there? >> narrator: just when all of these searches turned up no clues, police finally got a break. they learned of a strange event which occurred before the severses were even reported missing. a police officer on patrol recalled seeing a man in an isolated area called the exton avenue woods. >> is there something wrong?

>> narrator: the man matched roger severs' description. >> i just needed to relieve myself, and then i decided to gather some leaf mold for the garden. >> well, then, move along when you're ready. >> will do so, officer. good night. >> narrator: the officer said the man acted suspiciously. >> well, any gardener, any horticulturist will tell you, you don't want a leaf mold in november. it's not the time of year you're gonna collect it and certainly not at half-past six at night. so we assumed something had occurred up in the exton avenue woods there, so off we went to have a look. >> narrator: when they returned to the area a few days later, they found a bloody towel near the spot where the man was seen collecting leaves. but the police could find no evidence that the bodies were buried there. >> we did a fingertip search of the entire area, and we never,

ever recovered any further evidence from that scene. >> narrator: the towel matched those in the severses' house. but without blood samples from mr. and mrs. severs, it was difficult to know to whom the blood belonged. >> it was challenging rather than frustrating. we wanted to find the bodies for two reasons. one -- evidential, obviously. and secondly -- i think it's only right and proper if there's been a murder, we want the bodies for the relatives and everyone else. it's only right that we should be able to find them. >> narrator: late one night, inspector palmer studied the photographs of the severses' automobile. as he flipped through the photographs, something unusual caught his eye -- something suspicious about the dirt and mud on mr. severs' car. the color of the mud just didn't look right. >> this staining was a lot lighter in color than you would expect from a vehicle on road usage. generally speaking, a vehicle on

road usage, it's a very dark black, dark gray, dirty color. this was a lot lighter color. >> narrator: was it possible that an analysis of the dried mud on the car might give police some idea of where the car had been? to find out, detectives called in dr. tony brown, a geologist at the university of exeter. dr. brown began his examination by collecting the soil, dirt, grass, and debris from the wheel wells of derrick severs' automobile. under a microscope, dr. brown analyzed the samples and discovered tiny bits of vegetation mixed in with the mud, including minute pieces of moss, leaves, and grass. there was even a small piece of fishing line. >> it told us that it was a mixed deciduous woodland, probably oak-dominated, but with also several other species. it was clearly quite shady --

the moss could only come from a little shaded woodland. and there was also a fair amount of grass, and at first that might seem to contradict the woodland, but that's likely to occur either at the edge of a clearing in a woodland or towards the edge of a woodland. and, of course, the fishing line suggested it was somewhere that fishermen parked. >> narrator: and dr. brown discovered another microscopic clue -- more than 20 different types of pollen were mixed in with the mud from the wheel well. pollen is a fine, powder-like material which is produced by trees and plant life. it functions as the male seed in fertilization. to identify the pollen, dr. brown needed to isolate the microscopic pollen granules from the soil, first by using a series of filters and then by adding hydrofluoric acid, a

chemical so powerful, it can dissolve glass. the acid dissolves away all remaining materials, leaving just the pollen. dr. brown was able to identify most of the pollen in the sample. oak, elm, and pollen from hawthorns were easy to identify just by sight. however, he noticed one type of pollen he had never seen before. >> i knew that i didn't know what it was. and then after that, we run through the normal process of identifying an unknown pollen type. >> narrator: there are millions of different species of pollen. dr. brown looked closely at the number and placement of the tiny slits and compared them to the thousands of photographs of pollen samples in his library. after looking through scores of samples, dr. brown found a match. the pollen was from an unusual

specimen -- from a tree not terribly common in england. it was pollen from a horse chestnut tree, a tree native to asia. >> in my whole career of looking at samples from the east midlands, i'd never actually seen horse chestnut pollen from a sample. >> narrator: and there was something else unusual about the pollen from the horse chestnut tree. it's a heavy pollen, and because of its weight, it's too heavy to travel far through the air. it tends to float straight down to the ground, very close to the tree itself. since dr. brown found horse chestnut pollen in all four of the rover's wheel arches, he was convinced that the car had recently been parked near a horse chestnut tree.

>> narrator: police asked

dr. brown to identify possible locations that had horse chestnut trees as well as other vegetation matching the samples found in the severses' wheel wells. dr. brown identified five possible locations to search. the first woodland searched was this one, the closest to the severses' home. but an entire day of looking here turned up nothing. next, they searched the second area dr. brown identified, a larger woodland near the lake. specially trained search teams worked their way down this hill. when an officer poked a stick into one of the mounds, he found it to be unexpectedly soft. he cleared away some leaves and loose soil to reveal a patch of human skin. police slowly uncovered the bodies of eileen and derrick severs.

ironically, they were found lying on a bed of horse chestnuts. just a few feet away stood a horse chestnut tree. >> they were lying side by side. and both of them were wrapped in green blankets. >> narrator: fibers in the green blanket matched the green fibers found in the severses' hallway and on the trousers that belonged to roger severs. the top layer of leaves and soil was similar to the soil found at the exton avenue woods, where roger severs had been seen by police. another layer of soil matched the soil in the severses' backyard. there was even a layer of roof tiles to stabilize the grave. the tiles matched the roof tiles on the severses' home. >> roger was then tied in to every step of the progression from the murder to the burial. >> narrator: all of the evidence

pointed to the severses' only son, roger, who had a history of personal and financial difficulties. >> he was basically penniless, certainly hard up. and we believe that he had turned up at the bungalow, and maybe for the first time -- we don't know -- had been refused help by his parents. >> what do you mean, "too much"? >> narrator: on saturday afternoon, november 13th, while his father was at the pub, roger argued with his mother in the kitchen. he followed her to the bathroom and attacked, striking her eight times to the head, causing the blood spatter found on the bathtub. roger then wrapped his mother's body in a green blanket, dragged her body to the kitchen, leaving a trail of green fibers found in the hallway and on roger's trousers.

derrick severs arrived home shortly afterwards. and when he did, roger was waiting. he struck his father 10 times in the head, causing the blood spatter onto the garage door. roger placed his father's body into the back seat of the car, where police later noticed the blood smear, and he put his mother's body in the trunk, where green blanket fibers were later discovered. roger drove his father's car to a deserted location in the woods, parked under a horse chestnut tree in an area used by fishermen, and then

dragged the bodies into the woods. roger wanted to limit the time he spent at the scene, so instead of digging a grave, he placed the bodies into a ravine and covered them with roofing tiles, fertilizer, and leaves. but the most important piece of evidence came as roger was driving away. pollen from the nearby horse chestnut tree flew up into the wheel wells of the automobile. roger severs could never have imagined that this pollen would lead police to his parents' grave. roger severs was charged in the murder of his parents and, during the trial, took the witness stand and confessed. his plea for leniency failed and he was sentenced to life in prison. >> the wife and i, we lost two

good friends. our life's never been the same since. >> i embarked on something which i saw as being rather simplistic -- link this vehicle with those man-made roads. that was all i wanted. i got a lot more. a lot more. and hopefully that's gonna help a lot of people and investigators in the future. >> well, i think that the police now are certainly far more aware of the value of what otherwise now are certainly far more aware of the value of what otherwise might be described as "mud."

>> i remember nights where i would go to sleep, and i would pray that i wouldn't wake up. i never considered suicide because it was against my religion. i got up every morning. i was sick. i'd have panic attacks. i'd take a shower, i would get dressed, and i would go to work. and then when i got home, i would get in my pajamas, and i would lay on the couch, and i would just wait. "i'm done. please, just let me go." i look back on that, and it's-- it makes me so sad. [dramatic music] ♪ >> oh, it's absolutely terrifying because you're no longer the person that

you used to be. you're starting to become this person that's terrified of everything. i couldn't leave my home, and i would go into panic and have anxiety at work. i would quit my jobs because i was embarrassed. i was afraid that someone would find out that, you know, i'm hiding behind the filing cabinet having an anxiety attack, and i didn't want everybody to think i was crazy, 'cause that's what you think you're doing: you're going crazy. >> as i was going through life and everything like that, "boom, boom, boom, boom," just this big old hammer just smacking down on me constantly. "you can't do this. you can't do that. don't go there. don't say that." all i was was a nail, and this big old hammer was just gonna pound me right into the ground, and it might have just been a huge-sized coffin that i was pounding these nails in, because that's how i felt. i just felt dead. dead inside. >> i was off duty for about four months. i had both my neck and my lower back operated on, and on the first day back in, i was the engineer, or driver. our first call came in, and i pulled out of quarters, and i got about two blocks away. and all of a sudden, i had to pull over, and the captain

looked at me, and he said, "what's the matter?" and i said, "i think i'm gonna die." i said, "i'm having a heart attack or something." i said, "i'm dizzy. i feel like i'm gonna pass out." they called an ambulance out, and they took me to the hospital. and for the next six months, i went through a series of doctors trying to figure out what was wrong with me. i told my wife that since i couldn't drive fire trucks anymore that we were probably looking at a minimum pension and that we better sell everything we own and get debt-free so that our kids could go to school. so i did. i sold the dream home that my wife and i had built. >> i didn't really notice any bad symptoms of anxiety until i was, oh, maybe 65. well, i don't know what brought it on. it's like my life got littler and littler. >> it was right after high school that i started to have anxiety. i actually had a girlfriend who passed away in a car accident. i woke up in the middle of the night. i just couldn't breathe, and i actually went outside on my parents' deck, 'cause i just felt like i needed air. from then on, that is when i really knew that i was scared,

and i didn't know why. >> i never wanted therapy. i never sought it. i really tried to just hope it'd all go away. i was just not wanting to live. i don't know that there was any answers out there for me. i absolutely had no hope up until this point. i didn't want to exist. i really didn't want to exist. >> i'm seeing the right doctors. i'm going to a psychiatrist. he tells me i'm not crazy. i'm going to a psychologist, and he's helping me the best that he can. i think i should get more help, but i'm getting the best that i can, and i'm getting worse. >> my daughter was living in ontario, and she was getting married, and they were having a shower for her. i was a nervous wreck knowing that, "how am i going to get on that plane?" and i was sitting there waiting for us to get ready for take-off. and it hit. it hit like the biggest storm ever. the sweat. the heart rate. the full-blown panic attack. and i just said to the stewardess, i said, "you have to get me off this plane. i am not going to be able to settle down." and then, like, i just started

to scream, and i said, "you have to get me off the flight now, or we're gonnate pilot's gonna have to turn around and land somewhere, because i am not gonna be able to stay on this plane for 3/12 hours." and, i mean, i was embarrassed. i was crying, but i couldn't control the panic attack. the pilot said, "okay, fine. we have to get her off the flight." >> my mom would sit me down or tell me before i would leave that she might not be there when i got back. she would allude to the fact that she was going to kill herself. i thought it was my responsibility to make sure that those bad things that i feared did not happen, and that's when my panic attacks started. >> well, my self-esteem plummeted, and i lost all of my confidence. no independence. i just started to depend on people. i became a victim, you know. i just turned myself into a victim of these circumstances, and it was just an awful, awful

feeling to be so powerless. and i figured, "this is just terrible. i'm 35 years old, and this it. this is gonna be for the rest of my life, and i hate it," but i sort of just started to accept it. >> i think i stayed in bed for, like, six months. i was just totally depressed. i didn't--i didn't want to live anymore because it was too painful to watch myself just basically fall apart. >> i became socially phobic. i was uncomfortable staying in other people's houses. i was uncomfortable traveling in other people's cars. and i lived in my own little world, and i didn't tell anyone. i would go to bed at night and just lie there and worry that i was gonna become possessed, that i was going to become mentally ill, or that i was gonna die of a terminal illness. those seemed to be my three fears at about 14. >> i think one of my biggest symptoms was, i felt kind of dizzy and light-headed, and i felt like i was gonna pass out. and my biggest fear was, "what if i pass out while i'm driving with my two young kids

in the car?" and that scared the heck out of me. and even if i was in a store, i thought, "well, what if i pass out right here and then, you know, the ambulance has to come or something like that, and then my little daughter who's just two years old is standing there wondering what's happening to mommy? what if i never wake up? what if i end up in a mental institution?" i mean, all those things were going through my mind. >> after my first incident, where i had to stop driving the fire engine, i probably went through a dozen or more doctors. i was in a shop with a doctor. she was a specialist on balance and inner-ear problems. and she was having me do a bunch of balance tests, and they had strobe lights going and the whole bit. she finally stopped the whole thing, and she just kind of chuckled, and she said, "why are we doing this?" she says, "i know what's wrong with you." she says, "you're having panic attacks." i can remember i looked at her, and i went, "you're kidding, right?" i said, "do you know what i do for a living? i'm a fireman, so i'm not afraid of anything." i said, "do you know where i've been and what i've seen in my career and in my life?" and she said, "well, it's real

common with motor officers, with firefighters, with soldiers." she says, "it's the stress that you're under that you don't realize." >> i work with couples and families and individuals, people who have problems in their relationships, people who have problems with anxiety and depression, addictions. i myself had anxiety disorder when i was in my 20s, and it kind of came on me very suddenly, and it was very debilitating. so i know the terrible feeling of anxiety disorder, the horrors of a panic attack. i've experienced that myself. >> the thing that alcohol did for me is, it numbed the depression. the depression was 24-7. i was able to work a job and really excel with it, because i had learned to be a hard worker. and once i got home, i had nowhere to turn. my mom was a nurse. pills were everywhere. in fact, when i started the program, my mom says, "why don't you just take a pill?" >> anxiety and depression are two of the main reasons people miss work, visit the family doctor, and take prescription

medication. take control of your anxiety and depression, and you'll take control of your life. you'll think more clearly, have more energy, sleep better, and be happier. take the first step right now. there is hope. there are options. call for a wonderful free cd that will show you how. >> it was unbelievable to me that you can do and you can achieve whatever you want. >> it's motivated me to do many different things that i've always wanted to do but was just so scared to do. >> i'm feeling physically better. you know, suddenly i could sleep. suddenly i was able to take my kids to disneyland. i could do all these things and not be afraid that i was gonna have to leave. >> before i found the attacking anxiety and depression program, there wasn't a single therapy that helped me. thank god for this. i am so blessed. >> you want help for your anxiety and depression. you want to feel better. you just don't know what to do. let the midwest center help

you take the first step. >> i think the program was wonderful. it did--was a miracle to me. >> these are life skills that really, really do stay with you. >> i cleared out my attic. then i found me. and i found out i like me. >> like, i never get anxious, and i'll never have a panic attack for the rest of my life. and i know i won't, 'cause i'll never allow that to happen. >> it was just so freeing to feel that heaviness come off myself. there's hope. there is a way out of this. >> right now there's someone waiting to talk to you who understands what you're going through. call now for this wonderful free cd. >> i was on medication after medication. i think every six weeks for a couple of years, i was being switched to a different medication and going through the side effects and weight loss and weight gain and nausea and irritability. it was horrible, and i was

doing it to myself. i was on this quest for something that would make me feel better immediately. >> and i'm getting angrier because there's nobody helping me medically. all the doctors are saying is take, you know, prescriptions and try another antidepressant and try this anti-- you know, they just kept switching the drugs around. and i said, "but that's-- it's not helping. none of it's helping." so i finally went into therapy, and i just didn't find it helpful at all. i was just frustrated with them. i said, "but i need to understand what i'm going through and why i'm going through and how i can fix this." >> i remember there was no safe place anymore. i couldn't talk to my mother on the phone. that made me anxious. i couldn't drive to my favorite grocery store. that made me anxious. i just was living in this little shell wondering how much worse it was gonna get, and i prayed to god, and i said, "please, show me one person that's gone through this and lived and thrived, and i'll help you for the rest of my life." and the next morning, i woke up

and turned a show on, and it was a woman talking about panic attacks. >> when you're dealing with anxiety and depression, you know, you go through so many different physical symptoms, and one of them is insomnia. and so anyway, one morning at 4:00 in the morning, i get up, and i said, "i'm gonna switch on the tv. i'm not sleeping anyway." and then i see lucinda. i'm listening to her, and i'm going, "oh, my gosh. that sounds just like me." >> i was so incredibly excited when i found the midwest center for stress and anxiety. i knew that i was on to something. i had found something that was gonna work for me. >> nobody ever told me that it's about changing the way that you think, and that was-- when i found this attacking anxiety and depression program, that was the major, major thing. and it's something so simple. i wish would have learned before then. >> the first thing that was so helpful was, i understood exactly what anxiety was. she described it, she explained it, and she told you why it is and what it does to you physically and emotionally and the whole chemistry imbalance in your body. and i'm thinking, "why couldn't

a doctor tell me that?" >> i really enjoy working with people in therapy who are using the program, because it is a great complement to the therapy. it's just great to have people kind of in that therapeutic environment for the entire week other than when--the hour that they're with me. if people don't have access to therapy or don't particularly need therapy but have the program, they can do a really god job by working with this program and with the midwest center to recover from anxiety and depression. there is a lot of support from the midwest center, phone support. there's coaching support. >> i could take a negative thought and run with it, and i could catastrophize the worst-case scenarios. and talking with other coaches, i find out that this is probably one of the biggest obstacles for everyone, and certainly, the clients that i've coached, that's the main focus that i work on. >> my days started to change. my thoughts started to change, and it changed my life. it gave me the freedom to live my life,

because before, i didn't. i was too scared. >> i had to give up my security blanket, and my security blanket was fear. my security blanket was, "do not go there." my security blanket was, "don't do that. don't trust the world." because i was brought up in believing that it was a bad place. >> it was a shock, 'cause it was like, "oh, my gosh. it's been me all along? like, i'm the one that's causing this?" but then when you find out that it is under your control and you can solve it, that in itself just gives you that oomph. "oh, okay. i've just got to follow this program." you don't want to listen to the fact that, you know, you've been victimizing yourself all this time, because you're very angry at the fact that you've allowed yourself to do that. >> you know, it was a whole different way of thinking, because for a long time, people believed that people who were anxious and depressed were deficient or that they were sick or unstable or incapable of helping themselves.

and the different twist that i saw to the whole thing is that, "no, wait a minute. people with anxiety and depression are creative and intuitive and futuristic thinkers, and they have a vivid imagination. and if you could take all that creative energy that they're turning inward and making themselves sick with and turn it outward where it belongs, these people could conquer the world." >> i learned what i was missing, and it lit a fire under me that i don't know anybody could ever put out. my world opened up, and my life opened up, and my heart opened up, and my mind opened up. and the things that i probably should have been doing or could have been doing for the first 30 years started happening. i was not living. and i'm living now. >> the program is utilizing cognitive behavioral therapy. it helps you to learn to identify how your own thinking

is impacting your feelings and that your body is responding to your thinking and creating this panic and anxiety. medication can relieve the symptoms of the anxiety disorder, but the medication really doesn't do anything at all to correct the negative self-talk that's going on. >> yes, you can take medication. yes, you can self-medicate with alcohol, but that's not gonna help you in the long term. and that's not the kind of message you want your children to see. you want to be self-empowered. you want to know that no matter what, you can pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and get your energy and your confidence back no matter what's going on around you. and that's what this program does. >> the macho image-- it's hard for people to open up. it's hard for men to open up, to get them to admit their weaknesses, to show their emotions, to really come up with a plan of action, to take control of their life, and just admit their fears. >> in fact, i've been told that, by a psychiatrist, that my

defense mechanism is always on. [laughs] i'm always denying that there's a problem and that it's the way that it is. same thing with pain is, that's the way that i get through my life day to day: i deny that i'm hurt. i think one of the hugest breakthroughs that encouraged me to start the program was the information, and something i had never heard from one of my doctors is that i wasn't sick, i didn't have a disease, that it was a condition that basically i had developed throughout my life and that i didn't have to be cured from it, that i could teach myself and use the tools that were provided through the program to get over it. >> i like the way that it made me realize that i was causing the problem, and i think that's one of the things that took me a long time to get into my head, but as it went on and on, i think i finally realized that nothing outside is making this happen. it is me that's causing it.

>> life for me now is amazing. i can seriously say that i'm just--i'm blessed, and i'm so happy. i could have never been on a plane, you know, before and fly for six hours by myself, but i'm just my own safe person now. i don't rely on others to cheer me up all the time. i can do that for me now. >> you cannot put a price on what it gives you. it gave me my life back. it made me find me. >> the attacking anxiety and depression program is something that i keep in my car, i keep on my ipod. i go back to it all the time. it's like having a good friend that's sitting in my car with me. if i'm worried, i'll put in that that doesn't do me any good. "it doesn't do me any good to worry. what can i do to change that?" and you know what? sometimes we need that friend. we need that, "you know, you can do this. you might have forgotten that you can do this, but you can do this. i've seen you get through worse things." and that's what it is for me. >> it's time to take control

of your worry, anxiety, and depression. it's time to put an end to the fear and "what if" thinking it creates. please, pick up the phone and call right now for a wonderful free cd that will show you how to finally free yourself from the obsessive worry, fear, and exhaustion that's caused by anxiety and depression. you can get your life back. you can feel good again. call now for your free cd to learn how. >> just to get that freedom and be able to appreciate the things i had really, really--it was more than help. it was a dream come true. every day in my prayers i thank god for that blessing. >> i think the program gave me a new way of looking at things and looking at life, and it made me feel like i can do anything. >> keep practicing the skills, and it will work. and i'm proof that it works. >> we want to help you help yourself. you can control your anxiety, stress, and depression, and we can show you how. call now. >> it hit home.

there were people that had exactly what i had. >> life now is much, much, much better. i feel like i can handle my life now. >> it's amazing. sometimes i have to step back and say, "oh, my god. i used to do that. i used to worry all the time. i used to make myself sick. i just am so happy with where i am in my life. >> the midwest center saved me in so many different ways that i could honestly say that i'm no longer scared to death. i feel like i'm a part of something now. this program really works. >> you have a right to be happy. you have a right to not feel anxious and depressed. life is supposed to feel good. call now for this motivating free cd and take control of your life. >> there is a changing your life. you have to commit to it. you have to believe that you're worth it. and you just heep going.

but if you don't use it, it's not gonna do you any good. i go back to it every day. i live it. it's a way of life. >> i'm a totally different person. i am so in control of my life. i'm so happy. i have confidence. my self-esteem is just fantastic, and i can't even believe that i put myself through that. i feel like i had to probably go through it to get to where i am in my life. it's given me my independence back, and it's totally empowered me to know that i can succeed and do and work at anything i want to do. >> it's literally allowed me to get my life back in order; whereas before, it was just chaotic. >> i definitely feel like the program saved my life. i mean, i don't know what i would have done without it, because you are your own parachute, and i was the only one who could save myself. it's actually one of my proudest accomplishments. >> it's something i definitely could have used years earlier, and i think it would have helped me even before i had panic attacks.

it was a life changer for me, a real life changer. >> i've changed. it's not the world around me that has changed. it's still the same world that i grew up in, but it doesn't scare me like it used to, because i know who i am now. and i know that no matter what happens, good or bad, i will land on my feet and i'm gonna get through it, and good and bad things happen to us all, and it's about choosing whether or not you want to be a victim or you want to be a victor. >> i think this program could help everybody in the way they think about life. it's full of wisdom about how to live your life in a successful way and in a healthy way, and most of us didn't get that blueprint. so, you know, this program has kind of gathered up thinking from just a huge range of places and made it accessible in one place. >> i mean, life is life, and stress is stress, but the incredible thing about it

is, you know when it's coming on and you see that you're gonna be in a stressful situation. you just have the skills to deal with it. you just live in the moment, and that's a definite you'll have to do. don't go sweating about the past and beating yourself up about the past. don't get too far into the future, because you really have no control over the future. and it's to stay in the present moment, and that's where i've been for the last year and a half--staying in the present moment. and my life has been fantastic. >> it was so simple, because knowledge is power. and getting the education and having someone explain to me what was happening with my body and that i wasn't the only one going through it and that other people have been successful at it-- there's a recipe for success right there. >> because of the attacking anxiety and depression program, i am more confident than ever, any time in my entire life, that i can decide for myself. i can live with my choices. it's like you're unleashing

the side of you that's nice, that's normal. it empowers you in such a way that you never even thought possible. it makes you prouder of yourself than ever before. >> this program is for any single person living in this day and age. our lives are so stressful. it's life skills that you need to learn. whether you have problems with anxiety, stress, worry, depression, it certainly helps. and it helps you keep on the straight and narrow. i still pull out the cds and listen to 'em when i'm frazzled or i notice myself going back into some negative phrases and things like that. >> i have grown backwards. i think i was 80 when i was about 8. [laughs] then in my 30s, i'm starting to play. this is the first time i've ever had a childhood, and i'm gonna have it. i'm gonna experience every single thing about it that i can and i wasn't able to before. and i can now. >> i wanted to illustrate what i was like before the program. basically, i was hunched over,

basically like the hunchback of notre dame basically. this is how i'd be walking. just like that. but after the program, check it out. the sky's the limits. whoo! >> it just worked. you get control of yourself and control of your mind and your life. and i took control, and i've been traveling ever since, and i've got total independence. i went to stay in new zealand for five or six weeks. then i went up to australia for a month, and then i went over to thailand for 2 1/2 months, and i did all of this by myself. trains, planes, and automobiles. >> life now is fantastic. i appreciate each day. i've learned how to slow down. i've learned how to relax. i've learned how to actually do nothing and feel good about it and know that it's healthy to do nothing. i used to have a belief that you had to be doing something

productive at every minute or you're wasting your time. and that's not the case at all. that's not being healthy. i'm enjoying life. >> don't let anyone ever tell you that you have to live with anxiety and depression the rest of your life or that you have to take medication for the rest of your life, because it's not true. what you need to do is believe in yourself and go deep inside of yourself and take a look at who you really are. and you need the skills to know how to get your confidence back and be self-empowered so that you can live in the moment and help yourself. >> i know what it feels like to live on that edge and hoping beyond hope that somebody would just go ahead and push me over and get it over with. i also know what it feels like to have somebody come up and take my hand and walk me away and show me the beauty that, you know, was beyond that cliff.

and i'm no better than anybody else. i don't--i'm no smarter. it's taking the program, the attacking anxiety and depression program, and it is attacking all of those bad things that you've been telling yourself, all of those horrible things that you may have learned, and it is putting your foot down and refusing to live the way that you've been living any longer. you just have to say no. [uplifting music] ♪ >> how long are you gonna let anxiety and depression be your excuse for not feeling good? how long are you going to depend on medications with side effects? how long are you going to suffer needlessly?

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