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modified people. he is accused of trying to sell the videos to tmz.com. will have to pay for it. and the president promised taxes would not go up for anyone making less than $250,000. is that true, or is that fuzzy mathematics? joining us is mike pence. the big news today, chicago lost the 2016 olympics bid to rio, and after the president, his wife, and oak grove flew to copenhagen to make that -- >> -- and oprah flew to copenhagen to make that presentation. >> it is a disappointment. no doubt, it would have created some jobs down the road, but, you know, sadly, it looks like the president has had about as

much luck selling chicago to the olympic committee as he has selling health-care reform to the american people. i think that the vision of seeing the president of the united states boarding air force one, headed to another glamorous capital around the world on the very day that unemployment rises up to 9.8%, another one quarter of 1 million americans lose their jobs, i think it is frustrating millions of americans, so we are disappointed about the olympics but would sure like to see this president put this economy and american jobs as job one. greta: you are sort of talking about the image, a division of him going off -- a vision of him going off. let me ask you. are you critical of him making that trip? or do you give him credit for at least trying? >> well, look.

families are hurting in this country, greta. the reality is that unemployment continues to rise, rising debt and 9.8% today, more than one quarter of 1 million americans more out of war -- rising to 9.8% today, more than one- quarter of 1 million americans more out of work. i just cannot help but think that this one could have been handled by the first lady just as effectively, or by other members of the united states government. these are challenging times. i think the american people would have rather seen the president rolling his sleeves up on a day of such heartbreaking news for american families and then figuring out how to get the economy moving again. greta: taxes for people making less than $250,000, will they go up? >> it is hard to see otherwise.

the house bill, for instance, includes some $800 billion, including a surtax on upper- income americans, but the remainder includes taxes on small-business owners, fees, and fines, and that is obviously going to be passed along to working families, and if we follow the debate in the senate, as well, you begin to hear that -- i think his phrase was "one dime to the deficit," and they're all sorts of things that americans have been used to receive without the government being involved -- look. we have to do something to lower the cost of health-care insurance, but we do not need a massive new bureaucracy, because if you have that, you are going to have taxes on working families and businesses. greta: we only have 30 seconds

left, center. this word, "surcharge," will people have to pay more, no matter what we call it, when they make less than $250,000? >> there is that upper-income bracket that they like to point to, and they are small businesses. that is the engine of this economy, and if we are going to start to turn this economy around and put days like this in the past and start to see unemployment decline and jobs actually created, the last thing we want to do is raise taxes on small-business owners in this country. we ought to cut taxes for small- business owners, farmers, family farmers, and that is what some will continue to fight to do. greta: thank you. aarp is losing members, and they are losing fast, some 60,000

quitting since july. many of them do not like the obama health-care reform, and it turns out that aarp has some competition. joining us is two guests, including a 15-year member of a are pete, who recently left the organization. you have some -- member of aarp, recently left the organization. you have some ripped up cards? >> yes, and it is really exciting for us. greta: why did you leave them? >> i joined them when i was first able to, and i just never received anything per se from them, and when i first met him,

i learned about them. i feel that they are speaking for me at this other group instead of to me, and that is what i feel they do with the aarp. >> what is it that you provide to people specifically like john that aarp does not? >> the american senior association, greta, is a more transparent fiscal conservative organization that provides similar benefits to the aarp but without the liberal agenda. greta: like what? explain it to me. why should someone join your organization and not aarp? why are people disappointed with aarp? give me a specific example. >> here recently with the health-care reform debate, you have heard about hr 3200.

you have heard that they support it, and then they turn around and say that they do not. i think it shows the hip hop receipt of a rpc -- the hypocrisy of aarp. at our organization, we allow our members like john to have their voice in washington, not to tell washington what we think we want them to here. greta: john, what makes you happy to be a member of his organization? >> well, the main thing, greta, is the fact that i feel i am being represented by the association instead of being told what to do by aarp. i think most of us on the conservative side of the aisle are freethinkers and can think for ourselves. we are not like she did being led to the slaughter, and i really enjoy that about asa.

the benefits are all the same, even better in some cases, and i just happen to like them a lot better. greta: what was your membership one year ago, and what is it now? >> we had about 130,001 year ago, and now we have about 170,000 and growing, and we have invited the aarp members to send us their torn-up aarp cards. greta: think you both. up next, here is the really grim news. -- thank you both. plus, is david letterman a creep? you will hear him joking around about his multiple affairs with employees.

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captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- greta: 9.8%, and guess what? that understates it. the labor department says the unemployment rate rose to 9.8%, but the real number is worse. why? joining us is steve moore, an editorial writer for "the wall street journal." this does not tell the whole story, does it, steve? >> these are pretty grim numbers, greta. as we have been talking about in recent months on your show, at least we could say that we are losing jobs at a slower pace than before. what is really discouraging about this report is that we lost more jobs than we did in august, so you have to wonder how in the world joe biden can say that the stimulus plan is working beyond his wildest dreams when we are still losing, one-quarter of 1 million jobs, but the real unemployment rate, it includes people not even

looking for jobs anymore, that is higher. greta: they are not in that figure, those that are underemployed. it is common knowledge that these numbers are a lagging indicator, meaning the economy could be doing better, and you will not expect unemployment to look better for months. it could be so long that it is not a, quote, a lagging indicator. are we not at that point? >> economists are confused right now because we had some other good signs about the economy. the stock market has been doing pretty well, which is often a pretty good leading indicator. businesses are also showing signs of spending more money, but now we get clobbered with this report, and as you and i talk about on this show, the recovery happens for most americans when they get their

jobs back, and that is not happening right now. the numbers are lousy. the teenage unemployment rate is 26%. over 50% for some blacks, so the jobs are not being created, and i think it goes back to the failure of the fiscal stimulus plan. if we were supposed to have an unemployment rate less than 8%. we were supposed to create 3 million jobs, and we have lost nearly 3 million jobs since this stimulus plan was started, so my advice to congress is why not do a real stimulus? let's talk about a payroll cuts for businesses. let's do something to help businesses create jobs, because as you know, greta, two out of three new jobs have come from small-business owners. they are not doing well enough right now to hire new workers. greta: when i hear people say that the stock market is doing up and things look like they are going well, in order to enjoy

the success of the stock market, either a, you have to have money, where you did not have to take all of your money out -- or you did not have to take all of your money out to pay for living expenses. these numbers absolutely leaves me speechless. i mean, look at detroit, michigan, california, nevada. these states, i have not seen their original numbers, but it has been disheartening. >> those states that you just mentioned, they all have an unemployment rate 12% or 14%. this officially began in 2008, so what that means, greta, we are now 20 months into this recession, and we still do not have any jobs, so whatever washington is doing to try to combat this recession for the american worker, it is clearly not working. when are they going to wake up to the idea that maybe they should provide some tax relief, tax incentives for businesses to

hire workers, and how about scheduling the idea of making them pay more at about -- pay more for health care? that is only going to make the situation worse. greta: last week, i read a story about a woman is scripted together $10 to go to a job interview, and she used the money to buy gasoline -- i read a story about a mowoman who sprinted together $10 -- scraped together $10 to go to a job interview, and she used it to buy gasoline, and the job interview fell through. >> i think you have to blame the fact that washington cannot get its act together. i think the president should maybe stop talking about health care and to start talking again about how we create jobs.

there is no jobs program. as i am said, there is no plan b in washington. plant a -- as i have said, there is no plan b in washington. joe biden running around saying plan is working is -- sibby plan eight is working does not make sense. -- saying plan a is working does not make sense. greta: a war on air force one. what

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greta: now, is this really something to joke about, dave? david letterman has admitted to having sex with several female employees, and he said that someone was trying to extort money from him, asking for it $2 million or the affairs would be expos. -- asking for $2 million, or the affairs would be exposed. >> the creepy stuff was that i have had sex with women who work for me on this show. now, my response to that is yes, i have. [laughter]

i have had sex with women who have worked on the show. [applause] and would be embarrassing if it were made public? perhaps, it would. especially for the women. [laughter] [applause] but that is a decision for them to make if they want to come public and talk about relationships, if i went to go public and talk about the relationships, but what you do not want to have is a man saying, "i know you have had sex with women, so i went $2 million, or i am going to make it public." it has been a very bizarre experience. i feel that i need to protect these women, family, myself, my job, and the friends of everybody who has been very supportive through this. greta: joining us is the

entertainment editor for the associated press. in that last thing, in saying he needs to protect his family. he may have thought about that before he did it -- him saying he needs to protect his family. that may have been a much better idea. >> this is so odd. he comes out last night on the show with this long 10-minute speech, which is long on television, saying he is a victim. odd, odd, odd. this guy is allegedly accused for extorting david letterman for $2 million. that person has pled not guilty of trying to get $2 million from dave. this guy works at "48 hours," and he is apparently an emmy award winning producer, but he had to pay money for child support, and there is word that the woman he is currently dating

may have had a relationship with david letterman in the past. greta: these were employees or subordinates within the organization? >> yes, and you notice that he did not say he had sex with one woman. it was poor rural -- it was plural, more than one woman. greta: he thinks he is protecting them by doing this, but if i were the defense attorney, the first thing i would say is, "who are these people?" we are just getting the beginning of this. you know what? they are up to their eyeballs in it, too. i do not give a pass to the women. >> i do not either. if you have a boss who is hitting on you -- greta: this is not a boss hitting on you.

i met my husband of some 30 years at work, so things have changed a little bit, but in terms of this, is cbs scandalized? >> i do not think too much. they came out with this. david letterman said that he did it, and he slept with the people, so they were very honest about it. greta: he said something that there has been a report or allegation that "i have been sleeping with women who work for me." and then he says, "yes, i have." and then the audience laughs. >> he goes after the underage daughter of sarah palin and politicians who do the same thing, so there is a lot of hypocrisy here. greta: people did not seem to be appalled if they were sitting there laughing. >> i think they were laughing. here you come to "david

letterman," and you think it will be one hour of comedy, and you wonder what is going on here. greta: he has been with this woman for a long time. >> yes, they have been together for a very long time, and they have a son together. the same thing with a lot of men in power. you look eliot spitzer. a lot of men in power do some bad things. greta: as i noted earlier, while i think it is that what david letterman did with employees of lesser stature than him in the organization, but i also blame the women, and i do not know where they are on the totem pole, but it takes two to tango. >> it absolutely takes two to tankan. if you are a professional in the workplace, you have to know how to handle yourself -- it takes two to tango. greta: he is laughing, may be

laughing all the way to the bank. thank you. up next, liz cheney -- maybe laughing all the way to the bank. plus, rush limbaugh. why today is the worst day of the obama presidency? he will tell you in his own he will tell you in his own words, rush limb[ominous music] [screeching] [dejectedly] oh. [screeching] [barks] (man) if you think about it, this is what makes the ladders different from other job-search sites. [screeching] we only work with the big talent. [all coughing] welcome to the ladders-- a premium job site for only $100k-plus jobs and only $100k-plus talent. ciaries who need assistance getting around their homes. there is a medicare benefit that may qualify you for a new power chair or scooter at little or no cost to you.

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greta: now, while the president was in denmark, he killed two

birds with one stone. he pitched chicago for the olympics, and he met with general stanley mcchrystal. they met on the tarmac before air force one, and they were talking about needing 40,000 more troops in afghanistan. joining us live is liz cheney, deputy assistant secretary of state, and, of course, she is the daughter of the former vice president. all right, we are sort of standing by to wait to see if there will be an increase in troops, up to 40,000. general mcchrystal apparently says he needs them. what do you make of this? >> i am not sure we've ever had a situation like this, certainly not in recent history, where you have a general on the ground in the time of war asking for the resources that he needs. this is a general that president obama put in place, and very competent man, and he was put in

place in march, and now, general mcchrystal has said that we need more resources and trips, and the white house has gone through an awful lot -- we need more resources and troops. we keep hearing that secretary gates has the numbers but he has not forded them to the white house, and, frankly, i think -- but he has not forbid them -- forwarded them. when you are the commander in chief, and you have a general who is commanding the troops that you said was an unnecessary war that we have to win, and you can only spend 25 minutes face-to-face with him, there is a real question about your priorities. greta: i assume that he has had some sort of communication with general mcchrystal over the past

weeks or months. that is what i am curious about. january 2008, then-senator obama said we must have more troops in afghanistan. now, we are almost two years later, and his top general once more troops, and he has not made the decision -- his top general wants more troops. that is what i am curious about. >> in the chain of command, barracked -- there is nothing that would prevent a commander in chief. in fact, there is no way that you could argue there is anybody else who has a better sense of the circumstances that we face, that our young men and women face, in afghanistan than general mcchrystal, so i do not buy the chain of command argument. greta: i totally agree with you, but i am trying to think what a president would not do that. >> you have got to go to the guy

on the ground. i think what this issue and what has changed is partly politics. it was very convenient for obama, when he was running for office, to make it look like he would be a tough commander in chief when necessary. since then, you have seen there are a number of democrats who do not have the stomach for this, and you had even seen republicans questioning whether or not we should stay in afghanistan. -- you have even seen republicans. the political winds in his own party blowing the other way. greta: it seems that it is taking him so long. we had such certainty in january, and it is looking like he was being political, and we cannot afford politics on life or death situations with this. this is the problem. i want to know. if you do not want to send more, tell me why, and tell me what you are not making that

decision. >> especially when the commander says we do not have time. we have where we have to take the momentum back, and instead, the president is off in copenhagen. greta: liz thank you. earlier, lawrence eagleburger went on the record about the war in afghanistan and more. afghanistan. what is your assessment? >> i hope you are not going to what all of this at one time, because i tell you, i will have everyone so depressed, they will not come back again. afghanistan, i think, it is more than beginning -- i am beginning to feel a lot of the similarities with the earlier days of vietnam. i regret to say that, but we have gotten ourselves into the country, and now, it is very clear we cannot get out without

some serious psychological problems in terms of how the rest of the world looks at us. it is clear now that the administration, the president, has all of a sudden said, "hold up. i want to take another look at this bank? " after time and time again, he has said, "this is the real world -- holdup. i want to take another look at this thing. after time and time again, he has said, "this is the real war ." this sounds again and vietnam all over again, and as i say, now i think they realized that not only are we in there and are going to be asked for more troops, but we cannot get out, because getting out accept the fact that the rest of the world is going to look at us and say,

"they were cowardly or for one reason or another, they would not commit themselves as they should have." there are some psychological consequences to getting out that are going to be fairly painful, so i am thinking be president has no alternative at this stage than to put the troops and -- i am thinking the president has no alternative. six months or thereafter, we get another request for 40,000 troops, i will tell you we are back in vietnam. that is exactly the way it went, and it scares me to pieces. greta: is this different? you said you are critical of this land. in what way are they different -- you said you are critical of this one. in what way are they different? >> i am having a terrible time

expressing it because the difference is so great. clinton was within the context of most american the administration's from the second world war, knowing we knew who we were in the world and what our role was, and we were going to do what we could to keep some peace and security in this world and to build structures to maintain it. this administration, it seems to me, has no more understanding of the trends of american foreign policy in the world and what we have gone through for 40 years, a lot longer than that now, but to the end of this last century to try to build a structure that would be able to accommodate peaceful world. i do not think they have the least understanding of what has gone before us and what is we

need to keep in mind as we try to build structures for the future -- what it is we need to keep in mind. this president has spent time talking in public every chance he gets, and yet, i see nothing that comes out of that talk that leads to anything concrete, and a classic example, there is no reason in the world that the fuss over the health bill ought to be anything like it has been and continues to be. here the democrats have such a control of the congress, you would think they could pass any legislation they wanted within eight fairly short period of time. instead, -- within a fairly short period of time. instead, it goes on forever, and when it comes to the right place to make decisions, that is to make it clear that the president wants in this, and that it is

going to be this way, they just do not do it. greta: it has not even got into his desk, and there is no bill. the house and the senate, they are the ones creating the problem right now. >> there is no question they are the ones creating the problem, but as i said, with the control they have in the congress, you would think they would be able to do better than this, but that said, it seems very clear, the president needs to step in, and if he has to call people into the white house to tell them that he has had enough of this and that it is destructive to the party, my point again it is a different one. this is, to me, they do not know what it is they are looking for. they do not know what it is they are trying to get, and it is true of foreign affairs, and it is certainly true for a lot of

the domestic issues we are facing. shut up until you have decided what you want. my point again is he is out there making speeches every 50 minutes, but the fact of the matter is there is no direction -- every 15 minutes. there is certainly no direction when it comes to making decisions, and that is what concerns me most of all. we have an administration that looks like it is decisive, that talks nicely, but is anything but decisive, is anything but prepared to lead. greta: up next, singer jewell. did you know that she lived in a car? and mayor cory booker. you saw him here. you saw his latest youtube assault, and as expected, conan o'brien has just landed a punch.

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police in tennessee say a kidnapped newborn has been found safe. his kidnapper has been arrested. he was found in alabama. the child was rescued by a task force of local, state, and federal police officers. he was taken from a home on tuesday. his mother was attacked by an alleged kidnapper posing as an immigration agent. over 20 months of straight rises in non-farm payroll and unemployment. now, back to greta and "on the record." greta: singer-songwriter jewll went from -- jewell went from living in her car to being an international sensation. >> ♪ i am going to love myself

more than anyone else believe in me ♪ greta: i want to talk about your extraordinary success. how did you do it? >> going from a really small, rural community in alaska to where i am now is pretty incredible. greta: the population is about 5000, and things were really rough for you, were they not? >> we lived off of the land, so we did not grocery shop. making our own butter, salt and self-sustained lifestyle. -- sort of a self-sustained lifestyle. i turned to writing to help me. i had a troubled childhood, and writing really helped me. i think that is why i never

turned to drugs. when i was homeless when i was 18, i kept writing, to help myself, and i never dreamed that it will lead to a career. >> ♪ even after you are gone greta: you went to interlocken, which is a wonderful fine arts school. how do you go from alaska to interlocken, mich., as a young girl? >> i went as 15. i was cleaning a dance studio, and a dance teacher came through during a seminar that taught at a school called interlocken, and i told him i sang, and he told me about a scholarship, and i got that. it was fancy. greta: it is a fancy school, but when you got out, you were

homeless. what happened? >> i had a job answering telephones at a computer where house, and my boss took me aside -- at a computer warehouse, and my boss took me aside, and understood he was making a pass at me, and i lost my job, and i could not pay my bills, so i thought i would get back on my feet. but i was never able to get back up on my feet, and i was homeless for that year. greta: and you actually live in your car on the street? >> i live in my car, which end up getting stolen, which was terrible, and i had kidney problems at the time, and almost died, because i did not have insurance. i ended up getting discovered while i was homeless. greta: i was going to ask you.

how did you discovered? what happened? >> i built up a local following where i sang every week. they gave me food, and it helped me get by, and a record label heard about me. >> ♪ greta: all right, said you are part of the celebrity culture, living in a fancy house -- so you are part of the celebrity culture. you are doing something different. you are doing project clean water. you are using your name and your celebrity to help. so you have to tell the viewers. what is this? >> i found did this in 1997 while i was homeless, and i had this kidney problem, and i had to drink clean water, and it was difficult to afford, and i thought it was as hard to buy clean water in america, what is

it like in other countries? we have put about 35 wells in it about -- in about 50 other countries, and just recently, we got -- in about 15 other countries, and we recently started some partnerships. greta: how serious of a problem is it? here in america, we are lucky. return on the faucet and get water. it may not seem a serious problem -- we turn on the faucet. >> is a huge problem. -- it is a huge problem. people are dying. clean water sources are getting caught up around the world, and even in america, we live in a very clean country where we have clean water coming out of our faucets, but we do not drink it. é@it is really a problem. greta: so if people want to read

about it, where can they go? >> yes, you can go to my web site and click on the project clean water tab. there is also a texting campaign. www.jeweljk.com. the money will go to building this well. greta: we are very much appreciative of all that you do. continued good work. thanks. up next, the best of the rest. rush limbaugh. the conservative powerhouse says today is the worst day of the obama presidency. plus, is the university of florida being taken over by zambia'ombies? and this is part of the oddest birthday present we have ever seen.

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greta: ok, you have seen the top stories, but here is the best of the rest. president obama was snubbed, as was michelle obama, the first

lady, mayor daley, and oprah winfrey when they went to copenhagen to make a bid for the 2016 olympics. rush limbaugh? he has a far less diplomatic take on things. >> when you stop to think about it, folks, does it make sense? our president, ♪ barack hussein obama hmm hmm hmm barack hussein obama hmm hmm hmm ♪ has been running around the world, apologizing for the united states of america. anyplace as scrappy as the united states of america? i wonder how it looks to obama now -- any place as crafty -- crappy as the united states of america?

i think the world wants obama to fail, and the world rejected obama first of all of the people. the world rejected michelle obama. the world rejected the oprah. folks, the worst day of his presidency. this is the guy who is going to talk iran into giving up its nukes, barack hussein obama. greta: the university of florida just removed a link on their website, saying how they would respond to an outbreak of the u n-dead. -- the un-dead. school officials say that they joke zombie link did not belong on the website, though they will change their minds when the zombies arrive.

tiger woods. the winner of the 2009 fedex cup, and you can add another title to him. billionaire. according to "forbes," tiger took home $10 million, and according to "forbes," that pushed him over the mark. there are also endorsements. and, by the way, tiger? he is under 35 years old. and check this out. a tall puppepet is roaming in europe. there are two, and they are part of a ceremony celebrating the anniversary of the reunification of germany, and they will meet up at the brandenburg wall. conan o'brien is striking back.

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