[captioning made possible by fox news channel] glenn: hello, america. welcome to the program. probably the number one question that is asked of me or at least the top five is who would you vote for for president of the united states? i have always answered this question for public consumption one way. i don't know. i don't see the person. i'm looking for george washington to appear. george washington, you just saw him in the open. he was a man of integrity. he was a brilliant individual. and the reason why he was the

indispensable man was because everybody could trust him. you may not know the man who i would vote for in a heartbeat for president of the united states. you may not know the name john huntsman, but if you have ever used a plastic plate or a bowl or a dish or styrofoam takeout. do you remember the original big mac container? you have this man to thank. john is not only amazing for being a self-made billionaire or even for all the great inventions his company has produced but the reason why i would vote for him, and he's not running, by the way, the reason i am honored to call him my friend. he is a man with more integrity than i have ever met. he is the most generous man i have ever met.

he is an amazing man i want to introduce you to next hour. he is a guy who does $100 million deals with a shand shake. he looks a man in the eye and his word is his bond. is also a man who will die broke. he has the huntsman cancer institute. when i first met him, he was at the cancer institute. i said, john, i have never seen a hospital like this before. this is amazing. he looked at me, and he said, glenn, i'm going to cure cancer here. we're going to cure cancer and then i'm turning this into a ritz carleton. i want you to, before you meet him in person, i want you to see this man's amazing life story. >> the word cancer immediately means fear to the public at large, to the families who this horrible disease has entered their life some way. the instinctive feeling is fear,

possibly death, possibly change in lifestyle. today, when i hear cancer, i say hope. i have replaced fear with hope, because i know that we can overcome it. i know that we have the research means and the translational medicine between research and patient care and education. my father was a rural school teacher in idaho.

we had a two-room home and after we moved from that, we moved into a student housing, because my father was in his 40's and went back to school, to college, and we you lived in a student housing where 16 apartments had cardboard walls that. was a difficult time to be in junior high school and part of high school, 600 square feet, and nothing, absolutely nothing, other than just the bare necessities of life. i know how lonely and desperate you can feel sometimes when you only own one shirt, or you only have one pair of shoes and when kids laugh at you when you go to school. i felt that. i have been down that trail before, and it's never left me, and my heart goes out to prime who live in those kinds of conditions.

my mother died of cancer in her 50's. her mother died of cancer in her 40's. my father remarried and his second wife died of ovarian cancer. my mother died of breast cancer. then my father passed away of prostate cancer. i have had three cancers, and amazingly enough, i have not been fearful during any of them, because my mother died in my arms. i was holding her, and she had withered down to a very small amount of weight, and we have

made such progress since the time my mother died or my father died or i had had cancer my first time, and i have been battling it. the greatest words i think in the human language are, are this, too, shall pass, because there must be many people watching this program who understand that, you know, one way or another, they will make it through. if this program does nothing else, i hope it gives them hope, and i hope they know in their heart that they are going to make it through these difficult times. they are going to make it through cancer. they are going to make it through these turbulent economic situations. they're going to find another job. god is not going to let them down. they are going to prevail, but we have to keep hope. we have to keep faith in ourselves. we have to know that we can do it.

i still think that as hive moves on, what people say at our funerals will determine the type of man or woman that we have been in our life and it wouldn't hurt us a bit to prepare for what beam will say during our eulogy, because that's the kind of life we want to live, so that we can have people say that man or woman, they really were concerned with us, and that's all they need to say. maybe they didn't give anything away. maybe they just gave themselves away. maybe they helped others with their time and their interests, and at the end of the day, i think that's what really counts.

glenn: very few people in today's world live their words. jon huntsman does every day. how are you, sir? >> great, glenn. i am very touched by your comments. you are a great friend and a great american. glenn: jon, i wanted to have you on because i talked to a woman on the air a few weeks ago, and she said, look, i have done everything right. i have lived my life right. i have raised my kids right. i went to college. i paid for it myself, she said, and my life has fallen apart, and i'm questioning everything. i said you're about to experience what you're going to feel as the worst of times right now, but you will look back on this as the best of times if you find who you really truly are.

she was losing hope. where does hope come from? >> you know, glenn, hope, in my opinion, dickens is right, is the worst of times. it is the best of times, just what you said, and i temple americans and many people throughout the world right now are going through situations either with the economy or in their personal lives or their health, or with their children, or with their grandchildren, and hope is a factor that keeps us going, and hope springs from america. i mean, america itself is hope. hope comes from our ability within our bodies to just keep saying, i know i can do it. i know i can do it. it is like the little train that could try to get over the mountain. i think i can. i think i can. i think i can. we have to keep telling ourself that we can never give up hope. we tell cancer patients the

minute they give up hope, all of a sudden things start quickening, things move in on them and the disease becomes far more difficult to remove. glenn: have we reached a place, a dangerous place to where -- because, as i spoke to this swom, she said, you know, where is mine? where is mine? i said, you have never -- i remember my mother teaching me life isn't fair. nobody has promised you wealth or anything else, but you are meant to be happy. >> that's right. glenn: it's easy for you, a billionaire, to be -- for people to say, well, it's easy for him to be happy. you're a billionaire. what is the secret here, jon? >> well, i don't know that i can give a secret, but i will say this. you said life isn't fair, and you're right. life isn't fair, but we must be fair, and we must tell ourselves

within our hearts and our minds and our bodies, our souls, that life isn't fair, that we're going to have traps in front of us, that we're going to have situations that are going to be difficult to confront. i'm reminded of what sir winston churchill, a former great prime minister of evening hand said during the difficult times of world war ii. he said it's easy to get on the mountains and look over the valleys below and reer receive inspiration, but it's from those valleys of life that we get draw our character. it is from the valleys of life we draw hope. it is like shakespeare said, sweeter are the uses of add verity. -- adversity. sweeter are the uses of adversity, because of this lady you were just talking about we have to get through these times of adversity, but if we can get through it, sweet are those uses to allow us to know who we are and that we can come back and that we all have an opportunity, and that person that is out there watching this program

right now, they have an opportunity to come back, and to become a better person, and to put behind them their problems. i see some people that are striem sometimes carrying 20 or 30 pounds of rocks over their shoulders, and i say what can i do to help you. they say i don't know, i'm so worried, i'm so bogged down. i said let me carry some pounds of rocks off your backs. you're carrying too much of a load. we can relieve that load. you're a good person. you're not a bad person. tell yourself you're a good person and there will be goodness. tell yourself there will be hope and there will be hope. part of it is what we have to tell ourselves, glenn. >> don't you think that one of the big lies is that we all tell ourselves, i think, oh, geez, if people only knew what i have done in the past or what i have thought or done, then they would hate me, or maybe i lucked into this, i don't belong here or i'm not like those people, and if they find out that i'm a fraud,

and that's what stops us. >> it's exactly what stops us, glenn. it is such a tragedy, because most people are stopped because of a fear of somebody else finding out that they made a mistake, and people have to realize that god did not put us on earth to fail. he put us on earth to succeed, and in order to succeed, we have to put behind us our mistakes, our shortcomings, our heartaches, and we have to move forward. we can't do anything about yesterday. all we can change is today and tomorrow. we have a huge lie that's being perpetrated in america right now, that somebody is too big to fail, that failure is a bad thing. i believe failure is essential to success. agree or disagree? >> i totally agree, glenn. i don't know any man or woman who has been a success in life who could not tell you about a number of their failures. here is the situation. we can't be a constant failure. we have to learn from those

mistakes, and so when somebody haskell tons in their closets or has made some mistakes how do you benefit from that? i have a daughter going through therapy for drugs, for rehabilitation. she's a beautiful girl. it breaks my heart. it i can't talk about it because it breaks my heart thinking of this beautiful daughter, one of nine of our children, but she's a much better person today because she's gone through the valleys. she's coming back up. she's gone through this horrible experience, and, you know, in her 40's, and all families, good families, all families go through heartaches in their life and we have to pour ourselves out of them and we have to have friends like i am to you and you are to me, glenn, to help each other. glenn: isn't that the difference between understanding or knowledge and wisdom? knowledge and wisdom are different. >> that's right. glenn: knowledge is i go to college and learn it. wisdom is -- >> how to apply t. glenn: or i have gone to the valley and i've learned what i

thought i have understood and i wasn't applying it. >> what i thought i learned from the mountaintop, i have been to the valley and i have learn worn those mock sans and -- moccasins and i know from where i speak and listen. your audience knows your background but of all of the humble in america that have been through the valley, glenn beck has been through the valley and he is here. i want to say this, glenn, because it means so much to me. you told me once with tears in your eyes, i'm never going to go back to that valley again, and i respect you for it, buddy. glenn: i read, and this is a book that is life changing. winners never cheat. this is still in print. winners never cheat. written a while ago, and it is jon's little book on hey, let's be good to each other. in this culture, everybody is saying you got to do cutthroat

business. jon, i hope you don't mind me sharing this. you frightened me one time when we met and you had just done a big business deal. i know you a man you look a man in the eye and shake hands on the deal, and you got into, you know, a business deal with somebody that wasn't honest and you sold your company. you looked at me, and you said, glenn, if a man's word doesn't mean anything, if you can't shake a man's hand and look him in the eye, america can't do business anymore. what do you mean by that? >> well, maybe part of it is naivety on my part. it is a sad state of affairs. i think throughout america, we have always been able to shake a man or woman's hand and have a

contract and have our word be our bond. it's so important in life. today, some of the attorneys have taken over and believe if attorneys tell them to do something, if they tell them to make business decisions, whatever they tell them, they live by what attorneys tell them. we're overrun by attorneys. that is not all bad because there is a component to that. the component is that the system works, glenn. when this company backed away from this $10 billion acquisition of our company and it was heartbreaking and they backed away, we worked it through the judicial system. we received an out-of-court settlement. we had terrific lawyers. they were fair. they were honest. they did a great job for us, but we had to force this firm to pay up, and here is what came out of the lawsuit, glenn. one word. i just want to leave your audience with this because it is really important -- in today's world, in the court of law, they read this e-mail, and this was kind of the smoking gun, and in the e-mail, the senior attorney at one of these large firms here

in new york city said "look for the loopholes. look for the loopholes." it's an ironclad contract, but some way or another we can find a way to break every contract through loop holes. when i heard that my mind was shattered that people, lawyers, people in large corporations and small homes are trying to say, having their lawyers look for loopholes when many of these lawyers are honorable men and women. they don't want to look for loopholes. what i am saying is it is the loopholes in hive that is killing us. glenn: i want to show you when we come back a guy who could have found a loophole when it was really easy to. if you are one of these people that says, gee, just everybody is doing, it i can't compete if i'm going to -- let me tell you something. i think of this man several times a day. i am not going to break my word. i give my word on something. it is my word.

everybody says, see, i can't -- there are examples of good people. he is mine. i want to spend more time with him, and you when we come back.

glenn: we're back with jon huntsman. i want to show this picture here. jon, this is you back in 1968. >> 1968. >> with the whole family. the one holding the egg carton there, that's the current ambassador to china. >> john, jr., yeah. >> he is holding in his hand. >> this is what you have to understand, america. what he is holding in his hand is the first styrofoam egg carton. we get them this way now because of this man's company.

he grew up in a house with cardboard walls, and now he has transformed the world. everybody thinks that you can't be rich. this is what they are telling you, you can't be rich and not evil. i don't know. he is the richest guy i know and also the kindest and most gracious man i know. jon, i want to get to in a second, you're giving all your money away and you have built the huntsman cancer institute. do a google search on this. it is an amazing mace. put up the full screen, please. if you want to donate, if you're looking to something to do with charities this holiday season, i donate here. i know the money is spent well^ , because i know the people involved and i have been to the cancer institute. i will get to that in a second, but first, let me go on two stories. one, tell me -- i mean, i think this must have been a hard

decision. maybe it wasn't for you. when you were selling one of your companies to shell, and the attorneys got involved, and you had a deal, what was it, $150 million or something like that? will you tell this story? do you know what i'm talking about? >> sure. glenn: tell that story r. >> i believe you're referring to back in 1985, when i sold 40% of my company to great lakes chemical, and i shook the man's hand and we had a deal for $54 million. to me, it was done. it was over with. it was completed. the attorneys took their time. it took six months before the attorneys got all of the legal documents. i believe this is the story you had in mind. glenn: yeah, it is. >> it took them about six months, and during that time, our profits went up, our sales escalated. the economy turned around and our business was worth five times around in six months, and so they came to me, our attorneys and said this business is worth $250 million, and i thought to myself, well, that's

kind of interesting, the earnings had gone up dramatically in six months tox make a long story short, the owner of great lakes chemical company said jon, i know the earn having gone up. i know we have been slow getting the contract. i know it's been our fault and i'm willing to give you more money for your company. i don't know what made me say it, glenn, a moral compass inside or the way we're raised. i said i shook your hand for $54 million and that's all i expect you to pay me. you don't need to pay me $150 million. $54 million was our deal. when that man died several years later, his family asked me to speak at the funeral, and the. and the governor of a state, i was two speakers, in indianapolis and indiana, and i always felt there, glenn, that inside each of us, we have this moral compass, i don't know. some call it the holy ghost. some call the moral compass. some call it the spirit of god.

each human being has a system that says this is right or this is wrong, and i would have known that it was wrong if i would have charged him more than $54 million since i had shaken his hand six months before. forget the attorneys. they were just late doing their job. hi shaken his hand and promised him and i had to honor my commit ment. glenn: a lot of people in america would go, what are you nuts? >> right. glenn: why is that important? >> well, here is an expression from sir winston churchill and it stays with me morning and night. i hope people don't say there is a guy who never made mistakes. i think the more mistakes you make the more you understand how we need to get rid of our mistakes. there is a great expression from winston churchill who says with

integrity, nothing else counts. without integrity, nothing else counts.think of that. with integrity, nothing else counts. without integ gritty, nothing else counts. i think of that every day. i think what am i doing. what am i saying? what kind of a handshake is this? what kind of a world is this? we're putting our arm around this person with, encouraging this person to get better from an illness or sickness, trying to help the poor or needy, trying to be an example. if we can't be men and women with integrity and honor, and live with ourselves to the best of our ability knowing that we're moral and going to make mistakes, then we're not a very good excuse for the human race. glenn: i only have 90 seconds here and i want to share this story. when you think of one of the most corupt administrations in american history, you will think of richard nixon, because he is the image of "i'm not a crook." when the subpoenas were around, because you were in that

administration, when the subpoenas went around, you were one of the only people in that administration that wasn't called to testify because the people around said, jon wouldn't be a part of anything. what happened there? >> well, i was a part of the richard nixon administration. i was a special assistant to the president. i was staff secretary to the president and a staff secretary very close to the president. i i was asked to do a couple of things by the chief of staff of the white house, and i went out on one occasion, glenn, on one occasion, and actually began to do something that i knew was wrong, and i got right in the middle of making this phone call to an individual, and i talked about this in my book, because it scares me. every time i think about it, i'm right in the middle of a phone call, i said to this person, jim, forget i called you. i'm not going to tell you what i was going to tell you. my heart has told you what i'm going to tell you is wrong. i'm not going to tell you. i went back to the chief of staff and said, sir, i cannot do. this i cannot do what you have asked me to do i was prepared to have him fire me.

he looked at me blankly and for two or three days he didn't speak to me and then it blew over. then he never asked me to do anything else wrong. >> and when everybody else was called, you weren't. >> i was never called. glenn: back with jon huntsman, a man who says he's going to die broke, and i believe him, and that's a good thing. back after the break.ooo beck.

back with us a one of my heroes, a man that i think about all the time, and i try to model myself after him. his name is jon huntsman. he is a fill hahn throppist, a businessman and a creator of the lig l exggs panty hose container, the actual egg carton, the plastic fork and spoon and bowl and everything else. jon huntsman is his name. he says he's going to die broke. i believe him. is your family ok with you dying broke? everybody is like, yeah, dad, give it all away. let me start here before i get to the story about what happened right after september 11, when

did you think, gee, i should give it away? is this a new idea? when did you think it's better to give than to receive? were you well off at the time? >> no, no. when my wife and i were first married, one of the things that we did was i made $310 a month as a young naval officer and we gave $50 a month. we paid our 10% tithing to our church and i took $50 a month out for the poor for those underserved. at $310 a month we were not underserved, in my opinion, and my wife didn't understand where it was going, and finally a neighbor explained to her what was happening, but i have always felt, glenn, that, you know, that rich people are people of less means. it doesn't matter if it is $5, $10 or $100, just giving to help

other people who are down and out at a time lifts your spirits analysts your soul and you're a wealthy person if you give $1. glenn: it's not even about money. i was having a really bad weekend, and i thought, you know what, i just have to go worry about somebody else. >> that's it. glenn: it made me feel better about worrying about somebody else. the commitment to charity usually is the secondary thought. a story i read about you in 2001, after september 11, chemicals not doing really well, doing kind of bad, i guess unless you were in the bomb-making business, which then maybe you were into it, but everything else started going south. you really had your company hit hard on september 11, almost lost it, right? >> that's true. glenn: then you had to go and refinance. >> right. glenn: everything for your

company to keep it open, to keep it running. >> that's correct. glenn: it's my understanding that after you got the company going, you then went back to the banks, and said ok, i need to talk to you about another loan. >> that's correct. glenn: what was it? >> well, through the '70's, '80's and '90's, i had been giving large amounts to charity. when the economy is tough and things are difficult, that is the last time in the world when charitable causes, like cancer, homelessness or underserved kids on skoll harships or centers for abused women and children or other charities, the last element that they can possibly afford is to be cut off during difficult times. well, after 9/11, as you may remember, the public may remember, it was an extremely difficult time for america. our corporation was going through difficult times. i had run out of money. i had simply given this this money away, but i still had commitments to charity,

commitments that i had agreed to, and i knew i had to honor and people were coming and saying, well, we don't have the money. we're in a recession, much like today. we can't honor that commit many. well, i couldn't do that. i went to two of our major new york banks and i said i need to have this loan. they said, well, your business is going to pull out of this. it looks hike it is on the right side. i said no, no, this is a personal loan. they said are you are getting in another business? i said no, these are for mire charities. i have to make sure the charities are financed or these people will go hungry or they will not continue their cancer work, or they may not be able to take care of the homeless. they said we don't make loans for charity. i said you have to. whatever it takes, you have to. glenn: you put up your house, your plane, everything. >> i put all my stock up, everything i have, and they said, this is the first time we have ever seen somebody borrow money to turn around and give it

to charity. i said but that's a commitment. that is as much of a contract for me to make as it is for my business to make. you finance our businesses, why won't you finance the charitys? anyway, they financed it. i have repaid them back. i even did it in the last year when things were very tough, glenn, but i have kept our charities all running smoothly. they have to run smoothly, because people who are struggling can't struggle more because we don't help. we means all of us out there. glenn: i know this is a really tough time for charity, tough time for you. i want to introduce you to the huntsman cancer institute. i want to show you some pieces of this. you have never been in a hospital like this. it isn't a hospital. i mean, every time i have been in a hospital, i have thought, man, can't they treat this as huntsman? because this is state of the art, but it is the attitude of the people there that makes it

so different. i want to introduce you to what this place is, what it does, what it is like, and jon's commitment to it, in a second. commitment to it, in a second. cheer clear

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learn more about healthy babies at... glenn: back with jon huntsman. i want to show you -- this is the huntsman cancer institute. this is just one building v you broken ground? >> oh, yes, under construction. glenn: is it a building almost this size again? >> yes, it s. glenn: when i first met jon, a friend of mine called me and said i want to introduce you to a friend, have lunch with jon huntsman. i didn't know anything about jon but that he was a billionaire and had something to do with plastic forks, which that's always important, so i i'm thinking, i have never had lunch with a billionaire before. it's going to be great, sure.

we pull up to a hospital. i'm thinking that's not really what i expected lunch to be with a billionaire like. we went up on one of these floors here and went into the cafeteria, and when i walked in to this, justite there, when i walked in, i said oh, my gosh, it doesn't even smell like a hospital. i said, jon, i have never seen anything like. this you said we're going to cure cancer and we're going to turn this into a ritz carleton. this is radically different, just even the cafeteria. i had the best roast beef and everything, no kidding, that i have ever had. why? >> well, glenn, when people have cancer, there are several types of anecdotes or therapies that help them get better. one of them is chemotherapy. one of them could be surgery. one of them could be radiation. those are the commonly thought of therapies for cancer, but, a very important part of cancer treatments is loving people.

it's having appropriate surroundings. it's putting them in a condition of hope and inspiration, and happiness and joy. it is having people around them be kind and considerate. it is having relatives tell them they love them. it is being emotionally uplifted an food is such a big element of that. glenn: the food is, i just found it interesting, because you have some of the best chefs in the area that cook for the institute, and it is not, ok, it's 6:00, here is your food. you can call at any time 24 hours a day and get whatever they have. >> that's it. anytime, day or night, 24 hours a day, because a patient may not feel well. a patient may be sleeping. the patient may be undergoing chemotherapy from 4:00 in the afternoon until 8:00 at night and not feel like eating until 2:00 in the morning.

whatever time the patient feels like eating, it's our obligation to feed them. glenn: people who don't know you or the situation or the hospital, see this beautiful building, you know, woo, five-star dining, et cetera, while the rich get the best healthcare or, i don't know -- >> that's not true at all. we have 1,700 employees at the cancer institute. these are professionals, researchers, oncologists, especially deemologists, pathologists. every cancer patient has a team of five skilled professionals around them. they analyze and determine what is the best method of treatment, how are we going to take care of this patient, what methodology, because -- glenn: are these only the rich of the rich that are going there? >> absolutely not. they take any tyne of insurance. i see to it, too, that people who don't have insurance will never be turned down. glenn: the first day i met you, we walked around the campus

center. i am used to people, when i walk into a room, i'm used to people saying, i hate you! or i love you! it's never neutral. when i walked around with you, the patients and the patients' families, i was not even -- i mean, nobody paid any attention to me at all. when you walked in the room, i saw parents weep thanking you for everything that you had done for the family, and just what the hospital itself means. i want to talk a little bit about the concept -- this guy has been in the hospital a lot for cancer, so he designed it on what he would want. the concept of just the patient room, next. cheer

glenn: continuing now with my good friend mr. jon huntsman, the founder of the huntsman cancer institute. i, briefly, jon, want to go on, because we're running out of time, briefly want to do a couple of things. a couple of weeks ago, the government came out and said mammograms, don't worry about mammograms. as a guy who is not a doctor but you founded the huntsman cancer institute, do you buy that? >> i don't buy it at all, glenn. one out of two men and one out of three women will have cancer. 552,000 americans died last year of cancer. 7.5 million people in the world died last year of cancer. anytime we can get early screening, anytime we can get early diagnosis whether from mammograms or p.s.a. tests on prostrate cancer, whether it is colonoscopies, the sooner the better. i was so embarrassed when

somebody would come out and discourage people from early tests. they save lives. glenn: isn't that the reason why more men die of prostrate cancer? is it like 90% -- sorry, i don't have the numbers like you do, 90% cure rate of prostrate cancer here and of 65% in england, and i think the only difference is early detection. >> you're exactly right, glenn, it is early detection. in america, we have this blessing of early detection of more and more cancers, skin cancers. we can go through your entire body and photograph it and put it on a computer. anytime there is a mole or sore, we can see if that developed into squamous cell carcinoma, basil cell carcinoma or any other type of skin cancer p. it is important to be screened and not listen to the fact that some of these doctors and i'm not a medical doctor. glenn, you have been very gracious to me and said kind

words but one thing i would say to the american public is go in early. if you take these tests, they're the best we have available. when there are better tests we will let the world know about them. right nower this they're the finest and let's keep them up. glenn: let me ask you this, you do a lot of work for native american healthcare. >> we do. glenn: you have little clinics or something. >> outpatients for the native americans. glenn: the healthcare is awful for the native american. this is a big push for president obama. he says he wants to help healthcare. has anybody called to you look at your system of what you have been doing personally for the native americans in your clinic from the administration? >> no. glenn: i got a phone someplace usually on the set. white house, call, talk to us. the other is i want to ask you about the idea of your rooms.

your patient rooms are not patient rooms. they're not hospital rooms. explain. >> these are family rooms. it's so important for a family member to have a chair that makes into a couch, that makes into a bed. they may need to be next to their loved one for a day, two days, three days. they need an office. they need a little place to work. they need a place to eat. they need a place to change their clothes. they need places for their computers, so we have tried to make the huntsman cancer hospital, which is part of the huntsman cancer institute so user friendly that not only the patient is very comfortable and will get over their illness but that the family feels comfortable and has all the surroundings they are r. would have at home. glenn: the patient rooms have like little living rooms in them. there is a washer and dryer on every noor. there is a little kitchen there. a little office. >> you have a great memory,

glenn. glenn: i have never seen anything like it. please do your homework on the huntsman cancer institute. if you're watching in the white house. do your homework on the huntsman cancer institute, because it is reinventing the way medical care is and should be, because of this man, jon hunts haan and -- jon huntsman and his dear, dear wife, karen, who is a big part of let's give it all away. she is going to outlive you, jon. >> no question about that. 0 gloitite back. final thoughts in just a second.

glenn: final thoughts with my mentor and hero, jon huntsman. jon, new year, we have to refound ourselves and our country. if you had to resolve one thing to start all over again or two things, what would it be? >> two quick thoughts, glenn, when you are in the service of your fellow man, you are in the service of your god. therefore, let us reach out and help other people in 2010 and forget ourselves and we'll fine that life is happy and positive and more meaningful. number two, forgive yourself. let's not have people walking around saying i'm carrying this bag of rocks over my shoulder, i'm at blame for this and that. forgive yourself. move forward and you'll have a great year. it will be the best year of your life. this is a great country and this is going to be a great new start. glenn: jon huntsman, thank you, my friend. from new york, good night