remember, the spin stops right here because we are definitely looking out for you. >> sean: last week independent film maker james o'keefe and three others were realized in the new orleans office of mary landrieu. since that time a number of allegations have been made about what o'keefe and others were doing that day. joining me to give us his sigh of the story is the man who gained national an attention with his uncover ancorn video. let's start at the beginning which is probably the best place to start. tell us what happened. >> there were reports that senator landrieu, her constituents were not able to get through to her. she said her lines were jammed for a few weeks after she received a few hundred million in money in exchange for her health care bill. we wanted to get to the bottom

of this. while it make senses for a phone to be jammed for a day or two it sounded like her constituents couldn't get through for a few weeks was troubling. we wanted to get to the bottom line of what was going on with the phones. >> sean: you disputed a lot of claims in your statement. did you does up as a telephone repair man or telephone repair people? >> yeah, i mean as far as that's concerned, investigative journalists have been using these tactics for years. nbc, dateline -- >> sean: did you dress up as a repair guy? >> we did, yes. >> sean: your attitude is this is something that investigative journalists will do. they will like in to catch a predator? >> there's been nba acorn did one with nbc they went into a tax office in 2005 and put a video camera in their sunglasses. you have food lie orange 60 minutes, 20/-- food lion, 60

minutes, 20/20, reports about the wiretapping, bugging that's false. >> sean: i want to get to that the u.s. attorney has charged you with entering federal property under false pretenses for the purpose of committing a felony. do you know what the underlying felony is? >> i can't -- as much as i would love to talk -- i can't get into the legal stuff because there's an ongoing investigation we are cooperating with the u.s. attorney's office. >> sean: stop, you're cooperating? >> yeah this is an ongoing investigation so i can't comment further. >> sean: for the record, you're here of your own volition without your attorney, by our own choice? >> yes. >> sean: when you went into landrieu's office, your intentions were what? >> we wanted to get to the bottom of the claim she was not answering her phones or phones were jammed. we wanted to find out why her

constituents couldn't get through to her. we wanted to verify the reports. >> sean: what did you do the minute you got in the office? what were your methods? >> we used the same tactics investigative journalists have been doing. i pose as something i'm not to get to the bottom of the truth about the truth about why they weren't answering the phones or their intention behind not answering the phones. >> sean: think about it or have any issues with the fact that this is a u.s. senator's office versus going into a corn as a u.s. senator this is federal property you are going near federal phones? did that enter your mind to going into this office? >> generally speaking, it's the people's office. these are representatives of our country. we deserve to find out if they are accepting 300 million dollars in money, we deserve to find out what is going on ? why the people of louisiana couldn't get through to her? >> sean: i under stand did you have any concern that she as a

u.s. senator, talking about the security of' elected official? >> like i've said in my statement, i could have used a different approach to this investigation. and you know, i think going forward i'm that try to be more thoughtful about how approach these things for sure. >> sean: you said on reflection i could have used a different approach particularly given the sensitives that people understandably have about the security of a federal building. in retrospect are you saying you wouldn't use this method in the same way the next time? >> i think, while i continue to do sort of undercover videos i have to be a little more careful, a little more thoughtful. i have to sort of investigative tools i use i have to think about it. >> sean: one of the big questions if you look at the reporting on this, people almost immediately referred to this as louisiana watergate. because you were going near phones. did you or anybody with you, have any equipment, electronic

equipment of any kind that could be perceived or used to tap into the senator's phones? >> let me be clear about this point. there is no bugging, no wiretapping, no interfering with phones. not only was there no interfering with phones we never thought about interfering with phones it never occurred to us. all that is false. a lot of these reporters, just flat out, i think slandered me. they jumped the gun on the story. we are still waiting for corrections from dozens of mainstream media newspapers. >> sean: will you sue in the end if they don't? >> i'm not sure but it is journalism malpractice. >> sean: did you or any of the people, did they have any type of equipment that could be used to tap the phones? >> there was no equipment whatsoever used to tap or bug any phones.

>> sean: you didn't have it with you? >> no equipment with us. >> sean: there was talk in one of the articles about some guy in another location that potentially would be able to hear what you were doing? >> equipment being used to tap or bug are false. >> sean: why -- there's -- did you go to the phone bank -- let me check your main phonelines? you picked up a phone at one point i read. another point you went to the main, i guess where the main phone circuit is? >> yeah, as much as i want to go into this, i can comment any further. there's an investigation ongoing i have to leave it at that >> sean: you did error the entire incident? >> yes. >> sean: if we were to show this video tonight, what would people conclude? >> that this is a huge misunderstanding, i think. like in all my videos like in my acorn videos i'm trying to expose the truth.

i'm trying to get to the true intent about what these people think about their constituents. i'm trying to show the american people what are they concerned about their constituents. >> sean: i guess maybe another way to ask, what is on the tapes of the incident that these videos tapes are now in the possession of the government. is everything on there? >> our entire visit to the senator's office is actually there's two different cameras one what on the helmet one on the cell phone. there's tapes the government has them i want to be released because they refute a lot of claims made by the media. >> sean: we have to take a break. more with james o'keefe on this story and what his plans are in terms of future investigative reports. and what he may have learned from this event. we dick m all my business information is just a phone call away-- to my wife... who's not answering. announcer: there's a better way. intuit quickbooks online organizes your business in one place,

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>> sean: we continue with more

on my exclusive interview with independent filmmaker james o'keefe. where were you arrested? how did that happen what happened from there? >> i probably shouldn't go into the details of everything because there's an ongoing investigation right now. >> sean: you can't talk about where were you arrested? i would assume mary landrieu's office call the police they came down, right? >> i the night in jail. me and my three buddies, we the night in jail. the following day -- we spent the night in jail. the following day we went to arraignment of some type. some time later we were charged the following day. >> sean: what was jail like? >> the food was terrible. the apple sauce was like water, you know i think it was a very uncomfortable experience for all of us. >> sean: do you have worries? you came on this program.

you wanted to tell your side. i read your release. you did admit in the last segment on reflection you would have a different approach to the investigation. obviously this changed you a little bit? >> what our goal is to get to the truth. to expose corruption that's my mission in life that's what i'm going to continue to do. i still stand behind the fact that investigative journalists have been doing this for years, dateline, 60 minutes, cbs that's tradition i'm following. >> sean: there's a lot of similarities to acorn the one big difference i see this is a senator's office, federal building, these are phones, there are very strict laws about wiretapping and so on. >> there was no wiretapping. >> sean: but there are strict laws about it. when i read the initial reports. as you point out they claim that if you had that equipment with you that's going -- the

fact thank you videotaped it is gonna confirm or contradict what you are saying. that's the big difference isn't it, that this is a senator's office? by your own admission you see the difference? >> yeah, i understand and i'm going to sort of reflect on this and think about going forward. i'm going to have to adjust maybe a little investigative tools, i use, i understand that yes. >> sean: what the lawyers -- one of the lawyers said you are dealing with kids. i don't think they thought this through that far. another one said that, did not intend to break the law when he entered the office posing as a telephone worker. do you see any law, without getting into the specifics here, do you see any law that is valid? they did charge you, that doesn't moon you will be found guilty. -- mean you will be found guilty. any law that might be in question? >> i don't think i broke the law. when i spent the night in jail

i was trying to figure out what i did wrong. we had a plane to catch the following morning. i really did not think we broke any laws am i was -- i think this is sort of a misunderstanding. >> sean: i looked at the reporting of this, louisiana watergate. there was a gag order on you, not true? >> that's false. >> sean: that you broke into the office? >> how do you break into a public office. >> sean: that was open? >> yeah. >> sean: were you any time asked to leave? >> no. >> sean: you didn't answer the question about whether you went into the telephone main control area? >> yeah, i just can't get that detailed, because there's an investigation, but the truth will come out in the end. >> sean: there has been some retractions by the media. are you calling on the rest of the media you feel is wrongly reported this because they didn't have facts and ran with this do you think it was because of your acorn work

number one? >> probably willing to bet it was. i called it journalism malpractice, they jumped the gun they tried to destroy me with all types of fabrications, willingly fabricating things about gag orders, breaking in, wiretapping nonsense. none of that was in the affidavit. none in any complaint. they need to print corrections immediately. >> sean: were any point were you held without the opportunity to get an attorney? >> i don't want to get into that >> sean: you say you are cooperating with the attorneys? >> yeah, we have no complaints about the way the u.s. attorney is handling this case. >> sean: do you have any complaints about your arrest? >> i have no complains about the u.s. attorney is handling this and we are cooperating with them. >> sean: there were reports that you might have been denied an attorney or a phone call. >> that may come out. we might want to talk about that some point in the future. right now i don't want to talk about that yet. >> sean: what is the future

for james o'keefe? is this your destiny? are you going to take a break? >> up not taking a break. right now we are hitting the ground running on more projects. our goal is to expose truth, corruption, until it's gone, that's it. >> sean: i would say mary landrieu and 300 million dollars of taxpayer money for a vet is a corrupt story in itself isn't it? >> unbelievable. >> sean: thank you. still, plenty more to come on hannity tonight. here is a sneak peek. >> time to save what we can, spend what we must and labor within our means. >> sean: so anointed one sends his budget to congress but tells a different story. >> i have never been more hopeful about america's future. >> sean: sorry mr. president, [ inaudible ] is card checking your future while the -- is the

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>> sean: the president unveiled a 3.8 trillion dollar

budget in morning and sent it to congress. here's what he told reporters. >> we cannot continue to spend as if deficits don't have consequences. as if waste doesn't matter. as if the hard earned tack dollars of the american people can be treated like monopoly money. as if we can ignore this challenge for another generation, we can't. >> sean: given what is contained in the budget i'm not sure how sincere the president is. it increases the deficit by 1.56 trillion per year and increase the national debt 8.5 trillion. nonetheless, the president is patting himself on the back for being fiscally responsible. citing a one trillion dollar tax increase on the so-called rich. this in effect puts an end to the bush tax cuts. the budget also freezes domestic spending on some programs which make up 13% of the federal budget. it will cut or eliminate approximately 120 mine nor

federal programs but -- minor federal programs won't touch education, research, medicare, medicaid and social security. formation of a bipartisan commission will+4sñ propose ways to reduce the deficit. in other words this budget puts us as a country on the road to fiscal ruin. james born summed it up in terps -- here's what james clyburn told fox news. >> we are not going to save our way out of this resection. we've got to spend out of this recession. i think most economists know that >> sean: joining me with analysis author of the "new york times" number one bestseller catastrophe, dick morris is back. i want to go through these numbers. last year's budget deficit was 1.41 trillion. bush's last budget deficit and largest was 400 billion dollars. now it's gonna go up from 1.41

to 1.56 trillion and eclipse he's fiscally responsible, help me out. >> it is ridiculous. he said today when i walked in the door i faced a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit. because he wants people to believe it was 1.3 when he started. and it up to 1.4 now 1.5, not a big deal. i was in washington today with the senate finance committee staff to get to the bottom of it. in bush's last year the deficit was 500. >> sean: a little less than five. >> 485 then it went up to about 600. when the banks fell apart, bush passed tarp, 700 billion. under the federal rules, any loan is the same as spending. there's no difference between lending and spends. there's no capital budget for the federal government. so all 700 billion got added

to the deficit that's where he gets 1.3 trillion the 600 real deficit and the 700 of tarp. since he has been president 500 of the 700 got paid back. so the deficit should have been 800 billion. >> sean: so he's being manipulative with the numbers. >> he spent 300 of that on his stimulus package that's how the deficit got to be 1.4. >> sean: if we add up the eight years of president bush a little over three trillion total deficits accumulated debt, if you want to call it debt when it's accumulated. almost in two years he has met the debt that bush accumulated in eight and we trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see. >> when you said in your intro fiscal ruin. i want to be specific. we are in the same position as a country as the subprime borrowers were we are getting a teaser rate of 3% because we

are printing the money we are borrowing, giving it to banks and borrowing it back at 3%. the federal government has to stop doing that in the next few minutes. then we have to borrow real money at real interest rates. this debt service that now is about billion is gonna explode to 700 billion. you know what 700 billion is? it's just shy of the total collections of personal income tax in america. every dime we spend on income taxes will go for the debt service. we used to choose between guns and butter. the new formulation is guns and butter or the deficits. >> sean: you look at any major economists, lather said obama's policies will cause an economic train wreck by the time he's done. here's the question that i have, so we sounded fiscally conservative in the state of the union address, we agree on that? tried to convince america i'm going to be fiscally

conservative, freeze on spending small percentage of the budget. next week as large a deficit than the year before. here's my question, you worked with clinton on triangulation, i still hate you for it, kidding. we asked the question, does he have the ability that bill clinton had to moderate? does this answer that question? >> yeah, it does. that he won't. if he was serious about cutting the deficit two ink this is he could have done: cancel the next stimulus package and not spend the balance of the past stimulus package those two steps together would be 800 billions lower the deficit from 1.6 to 800, like that >> sean: in one stroke of the pen. >> what he doesn't understand or he doesn't want to understand is that when you spend money that you have to borrow, even if you spend it creating jobs, you're gonna lose jobs. because a private business can't borrow money to create jobs. the federal government's elbowing them aside and they are the loan window.

treasury debt gone up 41%, cher hall lending down 25%. that -- commercial leaning down 25%. that tells you everything you need to know. >> sean: china, -- here's what i want to ask, put your political -- >> china is not buying our debt. what going on now the federal government goes to a bank, and it says, hey, you have some mortgage backed securities, yeah i got 100 billion i want to get rid of. you do? i'll buy 'em at full face value here's a billion. by the way, i need to borrow a billion. do you have a billion lying around? sure i do. lend it back to you and i'll pay you 3% for. >> sean: one of the most important midterms in our lifetime, here's the question, michael barone pointed out if we used obama's numbers in 2008 and the scott brown numbers in the senate election and applied that to every district in the country 155

democrat seats would be up for grabs. you have figured out the republicans could take back the senate. if you had to make a prediction now, where are we in the house and senate in november? >> you want a prediction right now? we win the house by 10 seas and the senate by two >> sean: by two? you are out on a limb on the senate. nobody would have guessed three weeks before the massachusetts race. >> i want to do a paid commercial. if anybody out there lives in wisconsin or, oregon, new york, indiana and would like to be a united states senator, if you air republican, run. we can win over seats. >> sean: schumer is vulnerable? >> by the way if you want the numbers i threw out go to dick morris.com. >> sean: you need to write a column he's no clinton. >> did you see the within i wrote that said can he tray

angulate. how manigists does it take to change a lightbulb? one if he wants to change. >> sean: you won't believe what they've been caught basing their research on this time. that in 90 short seconds. and bob beckel has a story about me and the president. straighththththt ♪ sitting in a fortune 100 company? a good place to find yourself. and that's exactly where our graduates do find themselves -- in 96 of those fortune 100 companies. because we make sure our bachelor's degree programs... meet the needs of businesses by working with businesses... to develop our bachelor's degree programs. devry university. discover educatn working at devry.edu. blp

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climate change panel. retracted claims about the melting himalayan . now the it has been revealed the report on ice in the and december, alps and africa was based on two sources one a magazine from mountain climbers and the other source was a geography grad student's dissertation. this panelelelelel

sean the president made a lot of props in his state of the union address. how many people actually now believe him? turns out not many. although the president declared he has cut taxes for 95% of americans. rasmussen poll taken after the speech shows 53% of americans say that is not true. only 21% say the president has kept his promise. 20 sick% not sure. likewise the -- 26% not sure. likewise he claimed the

stimulus bill had created or saved two million jobs. only 27% of americans are buying that life whopping 51% get it as a now that americans are seeing through the anointed one's rhetoric. what is he going to turn to next? author of the political fix, changing the game of american democracy from the grassroots to the white house, doug schoen and rick santorum. there's a rumor you might run for president. >> i'll leave it at that >> sean: how does the president say we lost four million jobs and saved two? >> unemployment is 10.1, 10.2% it's not showing any signs of recovery. the poll is bearing out reality. >> sean: 17% if we close those who stopped looking or underemployed. politically speaking i think

george hubert walker bush read my lips, no new taxes destroyed his credibility. >> if i were obama i would say we need to do more. to try to quinn the american public unemployment is at double digits looks like it may go up more and try to convince them what i'm doing is working is people saying he's out of touch. >> sean: he nearly quadrupled the deficit and even more when he said he's going to be a fiscal conservative. >> he's relying on tax increases to keep the deficit from ballooning further. optimistic economic assumption. sean, there's another approach, president obama could have said, look my approach hasn't worked. i want to govern in a bipartisan way. mr. boehner, mr. mcconnell come to the white house and let's talk about your agenda and my agenda and you will find a happy medium.

>> sean: you get criticized, if they listened to you they would be in a much better position. i'll use evan bayh as an example. if he came out and said no to cap and tax no to health care reform, the american people would say there's a democrat i could support. >> he's moving in that direction. i would tell you this, we need bipartisanship on a fundamental basis. we need deficit reduction and we need a real spending cut. if we that as we saw in the mid 90s with the clinton administration the democrats would win popularity. >> democrats in office now don't believe in spending cuts. they believe the way to get this when going is spending more money. they believeing in priming the pump, government spending money that's why president obama said i'm waiting until 2011 to do any deficit

reduction because this year we need to spend more money. >> sean: you have been in tough campaigns you are in sort of a light blue, maybe dark blue state, pennsylvania. what is blanche lincoln, nelson, evan bayh, russ feingold behind in the poll against tommy thompson? >> if i'm blanche lincoln i'm thinking about what ambassadorship -- >> it is over. moderate democrats get together and say we've had it >> sean: who? >> ones you were mentioning. and they say they are not going to do it and speak out, create a counterweight, independent force in america that could have some credibility. >> sean: if the president goes on national tv in the state of the union and says i'm going to be fiscally responsibility, last wednesday and today, introduces the biggest bun --

budget ever in america history with the biggest budget deficit in history. >> he said he was going to be fiscally responsible next year. >> next year it is over a trillion. >> they don't believe that you create economic growth in in country through the private sector. they believe you create economic growth through government spending. when it comes to washington, d.c. they are right lowest unemployment in the country? washington, d.c.. >> another probably is with the interest payments on the debt we don't have the resources to fund our military. we are effectively the hugest debtor nation in the world. mortgaging ourselves to the chinese and other nations. we can't do what we have to do -- >> sean: i guess we our answer to the question that i've been asking the last two weeks. he's not gonna go bill clinton's he's a rigid ideologue.

radical ideologue. >> when i heard him say i'm not an ideologue, i kept thinking richard nixon i am not a crook. everybody in the room is thinking you are an ideologue and you are not going to change. >> there's a con -- 56% of americans want a moderate social welfare and strong national defense if the president governed that way in a bipartisan manner he would have broad support >> wrong choice, political disaster. >> there's not a moderate -- >> not one, that's what we need. >> thank you. >> we'll watch to see if there's any announcements coming your way, i heard these rumors. >> time to check in with greta van susteren. >> we have dana perino, representative andrew, senator grassley, so much more, rush limbaugh caught on tape not telling you what he was doing.

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>> sean: tonight he's a former deputy assistant secretary of state, fox news contributor, bob beckel is here. republican congressman from utah, jason shah get. and stand -- jason shah gets and ellen karis. a friend of mine was at the georgetown game sitting next to the president this weekend. >> he was he had his step dad who was a contributor of obama they were having a nice chat. somebody said tell 'em your father works at fox news. somebody said that's a tough

crowd. obama said sean hannity is a great guy. >> sean: twice last week that i know my name got mentioned. >> alex such a wonderful kid said why do you think the president didn't like -- i said you have to watch the show a bit more. >> sean: what does that mean? >> i doesn't understand people can disagree with like that >> sean: the president when campaigning said he wanted to somebody to tear me up. >> you weren't on the christmas list, let's move on. >> sean: a lot of my colleagues did but i didn't get one, i would have gone. will you take me next year? >> i will. way out to the corner, yeah. >> sean: all right, we have tomorrow night on the program, a spent a big part of the weekend reading a book, the politician about john edwards. and this unbelievable affair that he had with rielle hunter,

denied it, national enquirer all this stuff. this aide that helped protect him is going to be on the show and he wrote this book. apparently there's a videotape of the two. but the level of arrogance, he knew everyone around him knew, his wife knew, how does this not come out? >> let's start from the beginning you have an an pair with somebody that does videotaping for a living. right then and there you are not the sharpest pencil in the box. that's a bad idea. as far as his wife goes. i've been talking in for two years. between the national enquirer they should replace the fbi and tmz should replace the cia, because they seem to be ahead of everybody else. i remember reading about this story a year and a half ago when she was pregnant and they were all over it. >> sean: not my baby. >> with elizabeth she was right there with him. i want to tell you why she let it go. she's been on talk shows and they've asked if she was angry

and she said no. she is not greek or italian. if she was, she would have stabbed him in the neck in his sleep. that's what would have happened. she just lets him go. >> sean: the mistress and wife thought he was anointed to be president. >> it is the arrogance. makes it look like charlie sheen should be family man of the year. john edwards makes a lot of people look in a different light. >> sean: he came pretty darn close he could have gotten the nomination. >> you know how much i didn't like george bush, right? the thought occurred that he came within 30,000 votes of being vice president might have been president. i've seen the aides in politics all my life close to their candidate. but to be so close you are going to take the fall for the guy's kid? are you kidding me? the whole thing -- >> sean: he explains the story like his whole life was depending on it. i'm not making excuses he will

be here tomorrow. his life was dependent on edwards and the family. and his rational there are great people that all have skeletons in their closet. >> his wife had cancer. it is the worst disease the woman was going through chemo and he was having this affair with this other woman. it just shows you the level of arrogance. it is narcissistic. >> always -- >> he only came out to say it was his child because of the book and they're investigating him because of the campaign financing. that's the only reason why he decided to come out. >> an awful big divorce settlement. i would prefer not to be john edwards. >> sean: good way to put it. we went through the president's credibility gap. big speech, fiscal responsibility, top of the list. the largest budget deficit the country has ever had a week later. how do you put that together?

>> number one thing you look for, you just want people to do what they say they are going to do. it is so hard to digest something when he says he's concerned about this deficit i inherited -- >> sean: people aren't buying it. >> no they are not. we are paying [ talking over each other ] >> no. i'm sorry. [ talking over each other ] >> i can stand to listen to you republicans talk about this. you are untilled to your opinions, but not your facts. let me tell you something. you sat with dick morris and said obama had a 1.5 trillion dollar deficit the first year that was the fy' 09 budget. >> the federal budget was 2.7 trillion now it is going to be 3.8 trillion more than a 40% increase since nancy pelosi and harry reid took over. >> hear this, i'll give you every bit of the social

welfare programs get rid of everything and keep air traffic controllers, take everything else off the table you still got a trillion dollar debt. where do you think we would have been with john mccain? >> sean: when they proposed medicare get be capped at 7% a year every year for seven years we would have been in better shape. if you go back we did have the guy who said, how are you doing there beckel. >> you get better with that imitation. >> sean: thank god i'm not john edwards i would be in a heap of trouble. >> after that talk and fury they never did pass it through the house? [ talking over each other ] >> >> sean: by the way, i got to send your son, a great golfer a golden putter. more after the break. anncr vo: with the new geico glovebox app...

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. >> sean: we continue with our great american panel. we had james o'keefe on tonight. first of all, for the record i said this at the time i think he did fantastic work exposing acorn as a corrupt organization. he posed as a pimp and hanna

giles as a pros now he gets this arrest in mary landrieu's office. if what he said is true, and he didn't have bugging equipment and he went in there, walked in the door, as a private citizen, mary landrieu said publicly her phones weren't working for weeks. and wanted to say is your phone really working? i don't think he is inasmuch trouble as was first reported. >> i think he's going to be in trouble because of trespassing. >> sean: it is a senate office. >> what was also strange they asked them for id and they didn't have any they said it was in car. and they allowed them to go that might be a little loophole. >> sean: well me what the crime -- u.s. attorney recused himself. >> here's a thought for o'keefe next time call a telephone repair man.

he broke into federal property. >> sean: he walked into a door that was open. >> he was posing as somebody else. he said he had a rough night spending one night in jail, you get convicted of this spend five years. >> sean: he didn't break in, he walked in. what is the crime? i'm asking what is the crime? >> first of all he didn't just walk into the reception area he walked into and got into the -- >> sean: what is the crime? >> trespassing on federal government property for the purpose of committing a felony. >> sean: what is the felony? >> anything to do with tapping her phones -- >> sean: if there is no tapping equipment. if he what he said is true and want there, and it is all on tape and he didn't have tapping equipment how could your intent be to tap a phone? >> and al capone said he didn't run prostitutes. are you kidding me? why is he wearing a telephone

uniform, halloween? >> sean: if he doesn't have the tapping equipment -- >> so why was he there? >> sean: to see if the senator was lying. >> i see. so he went as a telephone repair man. okay. [ talking over each other ] >> it is fun to be on the front row this is great. he's in a little bit of trouble. i read the fbi affidavit it sounds like he maybe stepped over the line. >> sean: tell me where the law is broken? >> i'm not here to be the judge and jury. it sounds like he posed as somebody he wasn't to gain access -- sean sun is posing as somebody not a crime? >> to gain entry into a senator's office that he -- >> sean: usually a distinction between a federal building and senator's office. rick santorum was just here, he told us behind the scenes,

they used to invade his office all the time. code pink. the problem is going to the phone circuit. >> then they went upstairs to the closet. i hate to agree with bob, but -- i think he has a point. >> what is it? is he somehow blackmailing you? you spent 15 minutes on this show for some punk who broke into a senator's office. >> sean: why are you being so rude today? because he embarrassed acorn. he embarrassed the president's group and you are still mad about that >> no, what i'm mad about is he's starting to he did brass you and i like you. stop, let it go. >> sean: i'm asking questions. >> let the grand jury handle it and we'll find out. >> sean: if he didn't have bugging equipment i think it is a different case. he walked in. there's no break-in >> he walked in, in a telephone repair man's outfit.

>> sean: he walked in as a in acorn. he was the least convincing i've ever seen. >> woman was convincing as a ho. >> sean: oh! >> i thought she did a good job. >> sean: you to admit. >> he looked like huggie bear but she was cute. >> a hooker. the whole idea, right? >> sean: bob you better pull back. i'm giving you a chance to revise. >> i'm going to give you a chance to revise and extend and stop talking this kid. go. >> sean: it is an interesting topic. >> go. >> sean: can i buy you a piece of pizza? >> yes. i bought the pizza, let it go. you want to buy the pizza. >> sean: good to see you guys that's all the time we have left. as always, thank youo