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going be underneath to have an amputation like we saw in haiti. >> if these things then you willero. that is the thing. you will be flat and then you will be in the pocket of air. >> geraldo: isn't that a lot like if you fall on to the tracks you stay in the middle and hope the train can run over you? >> it happened in new york city a few months ago. exactly what happened. >> geraldo: i wish you had better advice. by that i mean something that gave me a greater sense of security. but outdoors is better than indoors. >> geraldo: what if you are in a car. in. >> hopefully it is not going to be where a building is going to fall on top of you.

if that happens, it's too late. nothing is going save you at that point. >> if you are in a car, the car suspension i would guess would mitigate in some -- to some extent the effects of the shake. >> a car has a steel structure that is reenforced so gives you some protection against falling debris but if a building comes down no way, you're going to get flattened by everything else. >> geraldo: and if you are in a bar just stay there. >> at least you will be able to float out the door, right. >> geraldo: at least your mind with. rick folbaum interviewed the chilean ambassador to the united states earlier today. here is the interview. >> our condolences to the people of chile. tell us about what is going on right now in your country? >> well, thank you very much. really the situation in chile today is extremely complicated. i have been in contact

practically all the time with the government. this earthquake is one of the strongest in all of the world history and the area that this is and the consequences is more or less 700 miles long. that is more or less twice of area that was affected 50 years ago with the other enormous earthquake. what i can tell you is that our authorities in chile are right now evaluating the situation and the president will visit the south of the country where the damage is enormous. a member of the cabinet have been visiting in other places so they are going to have a meeting in just some minutes so i'm going to get some instruction. the first reaction for us is to say that well, our country is

very strong from the institutional point of view with a long and very deep experience in dealing with these kind of things so we are trying to manage the situation with our own means but at the same time because we don't have still an exact dimension of all the consequences in different part of the country we left the question open for talking with government and friends all over the world in the next hours and next days for eventually if we need cooperation for this situation. >> what is the immediate plan that -- as far as you know for dealing with the first night once darkness falls and you are dealing with all of these people who are not able to go back to their homes? >> well, we have a region, a local organization that has experience and the means for the first reaction all over the

country, especially in this case in the regions that have been affected. so the first answer is going to be a local one. at the same time, we already have a military in force, police forces that cooperating in this emergency and, of course, we are trying to re-establish with all our means from the private sector and public sector the public services. communication, telephones, water, drinking water, electricity in those places where still we have some problems. so it is really a shock for our population to experience these days. >> again, our hearts go out to the people of chile and we wish you all the best and the united states stands ready to help as you have heard in anyway.

jose is the chilean ambassador to the united states. thanks for coming in and taking a couple of minutes and talking to us today. >> thank you very much for your cooperation. >> geraldo: thank you, rick, good job. i have to report this, the u.s. geological survey says a magnitude 4.4 earthquake has just hit, you will never guess, lincoln county, oklahoma. lincoln county, oklahoma. what's next, new jersey? they're everywhere. >> in the united states we have to worry about the new madrid fault because over a century ago. >> geraldo: is that what this is, the missouri. >> no the new madrid fault could literally rip a huge chunk of our infrastructure. >> geraldo: i have been making the comparison between chile's admirable and haiti's incompetent response to the respective earthquakes that hit the two countries but u several points have to be made.

haiti as michio said earlier had not experienced an earthquake in over 200 years. chile was as prepared as every nation could possibly be. everybody in that country alive today lived through at least one major earthquake. 13 in the last 40 years or so and ever since the awful quake that killed well over a thousand chileans in 1960 strong building codes were put in place. even i experienced an earthquake in chile in 1973. i was there covering the coup that overthrough the elected government when a strong earthquake hit and although that was also panic inflicting, spreading fear and causing damage it turned out to be the least of chile's problems during that troubled period. with democracy long restored the nation long developed and

prospering with emergency workers well trained and equipped, the chilean president michele bachelet only has about another week in office. she was on television giving up to the minute details on what happened. in haiti, people didn't even know if their president was alive or dead for the first 24 hours after the presidential palace collapsed. while the chilean quake was more powerful than the one that decimated haiti, it was miles from the biggest town. when we come back, we willle talk to representative of a superb organization, the american red cross. and elector are a in gal will give us the latest on the interconnectivity that helped inform the chilean public and the world what was going on. we'll be right back. ht

ht president obama: yeah, i took a trip to elkhart, indiana, today. elkhart's a place that has lost jobs faster than anywhere else in america. in one year, the unemployment rate went from 4.7% to 15.3%. companies that have sustained this community for years are shedding jobs at an alarming speed, and the people who've lost them have no idea what to do or who to turn to. they can't pay their bills and they've stopped spending money, and because they've stopped spending money, more businesses have been forced to lay off more workers. in fact, local tv stations have started running public service announcements that tell people where to find food banks, even as the food banks don't have enough to meet the demand.

as we speak, similar scenes are playing out in cities and towns across america.

back live continuing the special coverage of the earthquake in chile and the tsunami that resulted. laura ingle joins us now on the worldwide reaction as told on twitter. that comes up right now. i want to just tease our kimberly and her cases also right after this. but laura, tell us about the interconnectivity and the internet and all that is served and the public service it yielded in this event. >> it is so amazing and so fast. we have been on the social networking sites all day long and as soon as you blink there is at least 100 or even a thousand in some cases updates getting on the web sites. getting a photo uploaded through twitter and facebook is the fastest way that people can blast out what is happening to as many people as fast as possible. we want to show you pictures from twin cities pick.

this used to resemble an apartment -- twit pick. this is entire sides of buildings just gone. another shot of a bridge and road. we have seen the bridge in different shots before but this is the latest image postd that shows you how severe thing was as concrete is folding over the road like a wet noodle. rebar sticking out and crumpled pieces of bridges. another twitter user posted this picture of a church clearly damaged, bricks in the streets. people dazed, walking around neighborhoods and businesses surveying the damage. many trying to stay out of structures and out in the open sparing aftershocks and further damage. the images coming out of chile on twitter have darkened in tone with pictures of bodies pulled from the rubble, lifeless remains pulled out of crushing debris. it takes a lot to break a building in half. seeing these images would worry any one who has loved ones in chile. within hours of the quake sites

popped up like this one. a people finder, if you are looking for someone you type in the description and upload the image and on the other end if you have information to send back to someone you can post it so a lot of people finding someone that way, too. >> geraldo: so checking with grandma or the relative back home that way. >> absolutely. >> i want to talk to you just the break. i just want to update folks on latest statistics. now, reported 300 confirmed dead in chile. 60 in the capital city of santiago. much more with laura ingle on the social network sites and the critical role that they played in this event. and then kim wherely will join us and we will broaden the discussion to talk about some of the legal cases that she has on her mind and we will be back to hawaii where the tsunami hit but didn't devastate. back in a flash. please stay tuned for this special fox news coverage.

we'll be on the story virtually all night long, check for updates. we'll be back in a m

>> geraldo: kimberly is coming up in a moment. continuing with laura ingle, seems that the speed of light is how long it takes in terms of deadline. twitter is beating the associated press, facebook, my it is space, the other social networking sites there in a flash and posting videos and pictures. it is a whole new way. it is obviously difficult to know what is real and what is not but in a case like this there is not a political agenda and people are giving us the real deal. >> and we saw this with riots and haiti and we have seen this

progress where we see the instant reactions, not only the pictures and the video but these personal accounts and stories. >> geraldo: there is the earthquake. >> i think that is from a security camera that somebody was able to link up. >> that may have been from terra.com group. >> there is one woman who has been on twitter in the last few hours, cheryl brewer and was telling people she couldn't get ahold of her sister-in-law maria today. the phone lines were dead and text messages weren't working. she sent out a tweet and said i'm trying to find my sister-in-law, can anybody help and the people who were on twitter got up and said well, we will go find her for you and found marina and then everybody know in the states that she was okay. it is another example and you're right, lightning speed of doing things, the social networking sites are able to help people do things that they

couldn't do. >> it seems there should be scientific application to use these social networking sites to people push a button when they feel something and you can tell exactly the extent of the natural event right there. >> just remember that math ma teixeiras built the internet to survive -- math m mathematiciat the internet to survive a nuclear wore and that is why there is redundancy and all the correct protocols and it is so easy to get on the internet and upload pictures and have life stories right there as t happens. >> i think it will also help you evolve your science. i think there are practical applications. i mean rusty has to log on for me but i think that it is in everybody visitable. but you guys, stand by, i want to go to the latest in, you know, in a day that has been filled with drama and this

event in chile and hawaii, what aspect of it are you most interested in? >> it is interesting because of the predictions and projections in terms of what we thought the death toll might be and what is really the bright light is that the numbers are still relatively low when we look at that in comparison to haiti. the story is still unfolding so we will get to the latest in a day of deadly natural disasters. two people killed in argentina as a 6.5 magnitude earthquake struck in the country's northwest mountainous region and hours before that chile rocked by another quake. this one an incredible 8.8 magnitude. one of the most powerful tremors ever recorded and right now the death toll stands at 214 and rapidly climbing. according to the u.s. geological survey there have been at least 75 aftershocks

recorded, each measuring a magnitude of 5.8 or greater. one of the worst days in chile's history but the only light being shed in the matter is that help is finally on the way. in that note, hawaii dodged a massive bullet, we are anxiously awaiting to see what happened today. they were expecting to get hit with a major tsunami that turned out to be anything but and the emergency warning called off as you know. i will keep on the stories and report the latest, geraldo, when we get that in? >> have you ever experienced an earthquake? >> many. as a native san franciscoian, i can remember being a little girl and learning to duck and cover and protect ourselves. we would go under the school desk and had the drills on a monthly basis. >> do they still? i don't know. they never have them in new york. in my day we used to worry about an at tomorrow bomb hitting. >> i went from being a student to being a teacher and showing the students how to do that so i feel like i'm an expert on

it. when i would travel and go to ireland they want to know all about the earthquakes. >> geraldo: do you fear that the fact that the tsunami, it is almost like when the missile hit the moon and they didn't have a big blume of dust immediately, do you worry that people say it is all hype. >> there is always the risk that peel say it is hype and don't listen to the media and the next time people might not evacuate and might not heed the warnings and then you could see higher casualties in densely populated areas. >> maria zimmer on the phone now, a reporter for the hawaii reporter. she lives along the coast of oahu. thanks for being with us. i want to start your interview here if i can and then end it on the other side of the break. what did you experience after hearing the sirens?

>> i'm a surfer and lived here my whole life and i have been through this ones before. it happened this morning we got a call at 4:00 a.m. that there was a tsunami warning in effect and that it was likely going to hit the island around 11:00 and the sirens started going off around 6:00 a.m. several people around here didn't hear the sirens so the city kept them going. it was a pretty dramatic warning where people were trying to get supplies and get gasoline anodyne lining up for several blocks to buy coast right next to us. we were concerned about what would happen if my family had to evacuate our home so it was a busy morning here. >> was that your first experience with those sirens? >> no, we had an earthquake in 2006 that damaged the state and caused a big impact on the big

island. and we also had other tsunami warnings but we can get more into that. >> geraldo: stand by. we will be right back after this very, very short

it was the most terrifying experience because it started and it kept going, increasing and the intensity kept going up and up and up and everything was moving. i actually thought that the ground was going to swallow the entire car and you know, it shook the car as nothing. and people start coming out on the streets and then we also saw some type of lighting in the sky and i think it is because it was shutting down the electricity. for thfortunately, we did not y buildings suffering any kind of damage on the exterior.

however, many people got hurt inside because things fell on them or they got cut with glasses that get broken when running out of the building. this is a very high density area and there are many apartment buildings everywhere. people were in the streets with their kids and their families and, you know, it just felt that it was never going to end. >> geraldo: a very telling and sincere and eloquent report from the scene in santiago, chile. they didn't know when it was going to end. in hawaii, they didn't know when it was going to start, the tsunami that was predicted for 4:00 eastern time never really materialized to the extent that it was feared it might. maria zimmerman, a reporter for the hawaiian reporter, a life long surfer has been telling us her own experiences on the commercial break with her family along the coast there. you can pick up your narrative.

here you had the sirens and everybody doing the right inning. the tsunami petered out to the extent that you can call a big foot wave on the big iran petering out. where do we go from here? >> do you think people will heed the next warning? >> there will always be the stragglers that won't listen but i think they will listen in the future. several of our relatives in samoa were killed or injured and so much devastation and sharaun a multicultural place that family members in asia died in 2006. we do take it seriously, especially being in an island state you don't have much choice and the government did take dramatic steps the shutting down the roads, closing the parks.

trying to pick people and their pets up. it really did shut down the city. >> geraldo: shut it down for the best of reasons. and happily it was unnecessary. but it showed the systems work. thank you and good luck and continue to hang ten or whatever -- trying to be hip. >> well, thank you so much. aloha. >> what are you laughing at? >> it was cute. it was charming. >> the? the once and future president jam candidate who i would be proud to vote for the former duff of arkansas and our colleague here at fox news mike huckabee joins us. i give you the office that you sought and hopefully will seek again. you are now president of the united states, 24 hours ago you got the notice of this earthquake at 3:00 chilean time in the morning, what do you do? i think you offer to the chilean government any assistance in logistics, military support if that will

help them. the relief efforts. there are a number of things the yates is outstanding in, hoagies ticks being the primary thing we are againstly capable of doing and that is largely because of our military. our military is astoundingly efficient at being able to move men and equipment into areas where no one else can go and set up perimeters for command and control and communications. things that ha v. to happen in the aftermath of a tragedy like an earthquake or a hurricane and the sooner that you can communication lines established, command and control. again, the chilean government has seemingly operated with a great deal of efficiency themselves and they are to be commended. they don't seem to need the kind of help that obviously was needed in haiti but that offer is the single most important thing that the united states can provide to another government. >> geraldo: fair enough. i would like to compare your presumed action in the face of an emergency like that with

what the united states government in fact did. the current president, barack obama. let's go to julie kirtz. focus in washington on what was the u.s. government response. hi, thanks for being with us. >> president obama called chile a close friend and u.s. partner and personally telephoned chile's president this afternoon. according to white house officials michelle bachelet thanked obama but stopped shorting requesting aid. they have a organized emergency response. they were the first to send teams to haiti. nevertheless, today's, president obama says the u.s. stands ready to help after this devastating 8.8 earthquake. and from washington throughout the day, president obama and his national security team kept a close eye on chile as well as the state of hawaii and the tsunami warning across the pacific region. here is the president earlier today. >> we can't control nature but

we can and must be prepared for disaster when it strikes. in the hours ahead we will continue to take every step possible to prepare our shores and protect our citizens and stand with the people of chile as they recover from this terrible tragedy. >> the u.s. reaching out immediately to chile. there are no reports american citizens were killed in the early morning earthquake today. ten thousand americans live in chile. the u.s. embassy set up a command center to make sure those americans stay safe. >> geraldo: any word, i know there were a thousand americans living in the secondcy, concepcion? >> about a half hour ago i

spoke to a state department official and they are saying no known fatalities of americans in chilean at this point. there is (ty of americans down there as well as people vacationing so they are still use -- no reports of u.s. casualties down there. >> obama gets an a. he follows the huckabee plan? >> not so much the huckabee plan, i think it is the plan that any thoughtle american is going to pursue. we have to recognize the sovereignty of other countries whether it is haiti or chile and remember that we can offer assistance but it has to be received in the context of recognizing this is not u.s. soil. this is a sovereign country and they have a right to self-determination and to call it as they see it. the people of chile are fortunate to have a capable competent government preparing for this and looks like they

are in command as much as anybody can be in command. i thought that the president handled this beautifully but i also thought that i handled haiti well. he offered every level ofcy siftance but did not bear it. >> geraldo: i would vote for you because you are fair minded and you don't care whether it is republican or democrat. let me shield you from some of the flak you take. but i want to just here is the only problem. you are absolutely right about the military being the most effective logistical force on earth, the united states military. they are the best at moving stuff from point a to point b but it is the people that we hire essentially to fight and die for their nation, they are war fighters and here if we use them as relief workers don't we

blunt our readiness to perform the mix that they were intended to, the 82nd airborne, god bless them, i saw them in haiti, one of our most formidable rapid deployment teams, shouldn't there be a civilian version. fema is pathetic compared to the united states military. >> fema has had good and bad times. >> geraldo: i missed their good times. >> you're right that the military's basic purpose is to kill people and break things. that is being blunt but that is the purpose for which we have a military. it is not to rebuild countries even though they have been used for that. the oakland most efix entity to do logistical operations is wal-mart. facetious.ng families seiches. >> i saw what they did after katrina. we the government couldn't get a truck within 200 miles of

new orleans wal-mart was delivering food and supplies and medicine into the heart of because they have usen good proven methods tophet people to things and things to people. >> you are a nicic ironjack but a pact man. >> i was in the united states army and sometimes you have to have boots on the ground. sometimes the american military is the most efficient organization to deliver the goods when you need it and that is what is happening here. >> geraldo: got to take a break. our fine panel continues right after this brief message. rc

>> geraldo: welcome back live. we are continuing our two hour special coverage, actually all day long fox news has been on the story of the massive 8.8

earthquake, the fifth largest in the last 110 years. i mean that is a big, big earthquake. 900 times the energy of the earthquake released in haiti. but i have former governor mike huckabee and former prosecutor kimberly guilfoyle, former first lady of san francisco with me. i would be remiss if i didn't have you a political question. i won't ask you about new york state, we will leave what happened with the kind of the rise and fall of the accidental governor david paterson who will not be running. out abouting new york state aside and the situation in new york, let's go to the other big coastal state of california. will jerry brown announce for the governorship, will he be opposed by meg whitman the billion air former owner of ebay? can jerry match meg or will, what do you think of california? >> typically this is going be a good republican year but i love arnold schwarzenegger

personally but he has not had a really good run the last couple of years. the economy of california makes the economy of the rest of the country look like it is going swimmingly well. and so in that state because it is an antiincumbent more than just antidemocratic, yes, he has a chance. meg whit man is for sure running. but she has the purse and can dig deep into it. >> she can spend $100 million easy. >> and not miss it. that is truly incredible about her capacity in the race. >> are you surprised that gavin ex is not running.nced an >> not surprised. my prediction, lieutenant governor, he is interested in that position and i think he can win that spot and he will be up against a female so that is going to cause controversy also with respect to jerry brown you and i are both friends with jerry and he is a little more conservative in

terms of his policies. he went to being more conservative and did a great job as mayor of oakland as well and if anybody can hold it steady for the democrats he can but meg whitman is great and she is going to be tough and it is her spare change that she will spend doing it. >> geraldo: back to the earthquake coverage. jonathan akin of the american red cross joins us. i loved what you guys were doing in haiti. i saw it with my own eyeballs how you were spending the money they raised in the haiti telethon and they are contributions, excellent. interest you yet been invited into chile and will you go, are this you there? >> just as the administration has to wait for the ask, to do we. the chileans are great at search and rescue and medical treatment and treage. that is their for tay.

every red cross society around the world has its own forte and we are waiting for the chilean red cross to decide what they need and we are ready to come forward. today we released $50,000 from the international relief fund and that is the first hit of the tap in case they need more. >> geraldo: how do you keep your contributions straight? if people give to haiti they don't want it spent in chile. have you gotten it to where if somebody wants to help a specific cause they can? >> absolutely. in you denied that you want to donate to haiti it goes directly to haiti. to the national relief f f f f o

>> geraldo: the government of chile declared the central part of that country to be in an official state of catastrophe. the president has just so declared. what is not a catastrophe is hawaii where we thought for a time today a tsunami of epiexistences proportion was headed -- of epic proportion was headed. craig is there and he has some important guests. craig introduce them, please. >> geraldo, you are looking at some scenes of the park right now and you will see some surfers out to sea and some boaters, it is a beautiful boating community here and i'm with the honolulu mayor. mayor, we were talking with the general and his associates about the evacuation and how orderly it was and we know that evacuations in the past in the hurricanes we have seen in texas, could be disasterrous. how did it go? >> it went well and i can't say enough about the excellent

cooperation and the working relationship that the city has with the state and it resulted in a very clear message and instructions that our people responded to. we were prepared for the worst and certainly hoping for the best and we were able to get a lot of people out of harm's way. it is a tribute to the people of oahu that we were able to come across this thing very well and cooperate the way we did. >> you had some unique situations here in terms of a tsunami. most of the roads where people would evacuate are coastal roads so you would advise getting in the cars. how did you handle things? >> we did that very early and secondly, we were prepared to help people get out of the way. we worked with the visitor industry to put a clear message to the visitors to stay off the roads and in the hotels go as high as they could, third floor and above. our life guards and police officers were out there and working hard and our people

respond the. one thing to put out a series of instructions but if people tonight respond that makes it difficult and throughout the day we were saying please listen and please cooperate so that everybody can be in a good place. >> and people responded because you had a plan and a model. describe that plan quickly. >> it is multifaceted. take care of the tourists in congested waikiki and told them to evacuate upwards in the buildings along the coastal areas. we don't want them driving along coastal roads because if we didn't have the easy warning the safest way is to walk 50 feet above sea level and the good mayor even provided buses to take the homeless to a safe area. >> all a part of a model that you had because this s an active area in terms of earthquakes and you get tsunamis from alaska and chile and even local tsunamis as well.

you did an excellent job. >> you are over 6 feet tall. is that the biggest playor that exists in the united states? >> he is huge! >> the tallest and singingest mayor in america. >> let's hear a song. ♪ we are hawaii, we are forever, we will always say aloha to you ♪ >> geraldo they want you to know bring the tourists back, it's safe. >> come on back. general lee and i welcome you back. >> geraldo: thank you, mr. mayor. thank you, general, craig. >> michio thank you so much. you really make science understandable and i really do appreciate it and i hope to continue a relationship with you. ♪ >> where is my grass skirt? >> don't give me any ideas. >> a note of levity we end a serious show. it is the jewish holiday of coming up at the temple in

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