>> gretchen: tomorrow, steven baldwin, nascar star and baseball star and curt shilling. bill: it is the law of the land. republican senators are starting a new round of debate on the package of changes to the law. preparing to introduce a series of amendments that begin shortly. one of those leading the charges, senator judd gregg out of new hampshire. here is his dire prediction about the cost of health care for everyone. >> this will all end up rolling into a giant ball, like a huge massive asteroid, headed to earth, which is basically going to land on our children's heads as debt. bill: wow. good morning, everybody. time to talk to michio on that statement, huh? they're not lying down yet.

that's where we start. i'm bill hemmer. martha: good morning, everybody, good morning, bill, i'm martha maccallum, senator gregg hardly alone in his concern about the economic future. take a look at this fox news dynamics opinion poll, boy did this get our attention. 79 percent of those who responded to this poll think it's possible for the u.s. economy, the whole thing, to collapse. 18 percent, not a huge number, think that's not even a remote possibility. bill: now if any word is changed in the current senate language, it goes back to the house and we start this all over again. it's possible, but not probable. molly henneberg has that. what kind of amendments are republicans proposing at this point? >> reporter: let's set the scene for today. there are going to be hours and hours of debate. it's supposed to get underway this hour and go until 10:00 with some votes on republican amendments along the way. remember this is a bill of fix its, so to speak, that house democrats insisted had to be added to the senate

bill and the house democrats voted for that senate bill, believing the senate would pass this fix it bill. now, as to for the amendments, republicans have been proper proposing a number of them, for example, 1gop amendment would require the president and his cabinet to get health care from the new system they're create, another by oklahoma senator tom coburn would prevent sex offenders from getting viagra under health programs, republicans are also using the opportunity to rail against the overall bill and the various deals made with individual lawmakers in order to get their vote. here's more. >> i believe that this bill still loaded with sweetheart deals is going to cause people to see that their own insurance premiums are going to go up, their taxes are going to go up, and they're going to find out that the quality of their medical care is going to go down. >> i hope that we will take out these deals. i hope every time we find another one in this 20 on --

2733 page legislation, that we'll take it out, too. >> senate democrats are planning to use reconciliation to get this passed quickly and reconciliation allows budget-related bills to be passed with only 51 votes instead of a filibuster-proof 60 votes. bill: so if republicans are successful on any one single amendment, that means there are changes in the bill and then we are back to square one, molly? >> reporter: well, then it has to go back to the house and the senate finance chair, max baucus, says he expects, quote, one or two changes to the bill, but, quote, nothing of substance. bill, even minor changes would send the bill back to the house for another vote there. bill? bill: molly henneberg, thank you. you heard from senator judd gregg, ranking republican on the senate budget committee. in a moment he'll tell us why he thinks the democrats' health care plan, now law, means financial armageddon.

more of that coming up later this morning. martha: we all remember this, it was the deal that change bart stupak's mind and led him and other antiabortion democrats to vote yes on the health care reform bill and that may have been what turned the tide and allowed passage of this bill. and today is the day to sign that executive order. president obama will do just that, on that abortion funding ruling. that signing will reamp the agreement that no taxpayer funds will go toward abortions, and yesterday's signing of the reform bill which we all witnessed, there were 22 pens that signed the bill, it was a huge media event, but today, for this measure that deals with abortion and health care reform, the president will sign that executive order we're told in private at the white house. there will be no media attention given to this event, at least no cameras in there, and the president has invited members of that antiabortion block, including bart stupak, to attend. bill: stupak was in the east room in that crowd. meantime, he's shooting down accusations that he traded his vote in return for more

than $725,000 worth of grants for his home state of michigan. specifically, his congressional district in the upper peninsula. today, some are accusing stupak of taking grant money for faa maintenance work on three different airports in michigan, stupak calling those accusations, quote, absurd. all right. martha: well, then there was this: the web and the beltway, abuzz this morning over vice president biden dropping the f bomb during the big bill signing. take a alone for yourself, folks. >> ladies and gentlemen, the president of the united states of america, barack obama. martha: don't worry about the microphones all around there, mr. vice president! the only reaction so far to this slip of the lip that comes from the white house came from press secretary robert gibbs, he tweeted, and yes, mr. vice president, you're right, it is a big f

f-ing deal. bill: at least we wait for the commercial break. martha: you can see the look on the president's face, like thanks, joe, thanks for that. bill: also get a poll showing strong support for taking the battle over health care reform to court, according to rasmussen reports, 49 percent of respondents say they favor their own states suing the federal government over the law requiring everyone to get health insurance, that's that mandate, remember, that's compared to 37 percent who did not endorse legal action. as soon as president obama signed that bill into law yesterday, more than a dozen states filed lawsuits, challenging its constitutionality, at least 36 states have laid the ground work now for legal action. watch the courts for that. martha: have you watched what's going on between google and china? this is getting very interesting, folks. there are escalating tensions between the united states and china over a lot of issues, but most importantly, when you look at the big picture, the huge amount of u.s. debt that is

held by china. china is currently carrying $889 billion, that's more than our entire stimulus package, folks, in u.s. financial burden, and with america already involved in two hot and costly wars, could it be heading now for a trade war as war? fox business network's stu varney says this is a dangerous brewing financial situation that could be very dramatic. stu, the whole google-china thing, just to kind of fill people in on this if they're not in on it, google was upset because china was forcing censoring through the portal, they finally said you know what, we're going to switch from china to the portal will be in hong kong now, china is still censoring the traffic between china and hong kong and this is the first time really we've seen a huge american company sort of say no to china, right? >> look, here's how the clash is set up. you're right, it's good internet freedom, that's one issue, and by the way, a chinese newspaper is saying this morning that google is

a nest of spies for u.s. intelligence. martha: shocking, right? >> that's tough talk indeed. that's very defiant. there's another issue, and that is america says look, you, the chinese, you are manipulating your currency, keeping the value down just to get a trade advantage over america. well, there are hearings on that right now in washington, d.c., so thato. senator schumer is urging pushing a bill that would punish china if they don't stop manipulating their currency in response, the chinese are flat out de flient, they've got a top official in washington, he's saying quit the bullying, lay off. that's the clash. and at the heart of it, martha, you're quite right, is the money. we, america, need to borrow trillions of dollars. china has that money. so they've got leverage over us, we're very angry at them over google, internet freedom, currency manipulation. the danger is that

hostilities break out and you've got a full-fledged trade war. don't forget, martha, if you go back 80 years, it was a trade war that set off the great depression. dangerous times. martha: when you think about it, the opening of trade scandals and the way things have been transported by ship, by all the different channels of trade, the internet can be the modern day equivalent of that in many ways in terms of information and free flow. this is a very representative, you know, struggle that's going on over one of the biggest sort of commerce channels that is open for trade right now. >> if you get into a situation where it's tith for -- tit for tat, they do something, we do something, you could see the chinese stop loaning us money, in which case our interest rates rise and our economy is in serious trouble, but they too pay a price because they sell less to ut and -- to us and they need to sell us a lot. meanwhile international trade on tangible goods

starts to fall, everybody gets hurt. martha: this is a serious situation and one to watch closely. it's as important in many ways as some of the other battles we're fighting around the world. stuart, good to see you. bill: right at ten minutes past the hour now. there is enormous confusion over the role of the irs under the health care law. new power for the tax agency? if so, what does it mean for you? we're going to try and figure out what's up on that, in minutes. martha: it's been under lock and key since her tragic death, this morning a florida judge will decide whether to release the video that shows a sea world train er being attacked and ultimately killed by a whale. bill: it's fcially spring. you would not know it from this picture right here. old man winter doesn't want to go away, does he? martha: he's a die hard, right?

martha: well, three more leave gitmo, three gitmo detainees have been transferred to the country of georgia, the justice department saying their identities are being withheld for security and privacy reasons. as you know, more than 580 detainees have been moved from gitmo to other destinations, in as many as 38 countries around the world since the prison was opened in 2002. these latest transfers leave 185 still to be determined where they will head if indeed guantanamo bay closes bill: back on this health care debate, in what is next, you're looking at the floor of the u.s. senate, lamar alexander out of tennessee, chris turner, our fox senior producer on capitol hill just informed us democrats have given all their time back to republicans. what does that mean? well, they had about ten hours left to debate this bill, they've given back

that time so now it's down to the republicans that control the floor of the senate. what will they do? they have a certain amount of time based on the rule that's been established for this debate to continue to debate. they used seven hours yesterday. that means according to trish that they have 6 1/2 hours remaining, which would mean 3:30 this afternoon we'll get into the votes on these amendments that have been proposed. drop in on lamar alexander, see what he's talking about there. >> -- health care program or other government programs, east university is taking 781 students, in all of tennessee, it's 200,000 students who are going to be -- who have student loans that are going to be overcharged an average of $1700, $1800 a year to help pay for the health care program or some other government program, and this amendment would say no we're not. if we're going to take over the student loan program, at least we're not going to overcharge the students and use it for the health care program. we're going to give the

money back to the students. bill: this is in washington, it's really been overlooked in this health care debate and that's what you do with the student loan program. under the health care law, the private sector that used to run the student loan program would be shifted to the federal government. that's kind of how they balanced the books on this health care bill, bringing in $60 billion into the treasury over the next ten years, a major point of contention now. critics say it will cost 15,000, 30,000 private sector jobs shifting to the federal government. in the meantime, this health care bill that is now law mandates a penalty for people who do not have health insurance. the exact language says this : there is hereby imees dollars a penalty that shall be included with a taxpayer's return, so then does that mean the irs would become a sort of enforcer of the law? if so there might be a problem out there because the cbo estimates that it will cost the irs $5 billion or moreover the next ten years. some say it's as high as $15 billion, to handle the

new work load. the measure does not provide any extra funding for the agency to hire those workers. so will the irs come knocking on your door and see if you're covered? supporters of the plan say no, that's a myth, they won't do that, critics of the plan will say this opens up a whole new level of government scrutiny. congressman bryan bilbray, government oversight committee, is with me now. sir, there's a lot of confusion on this. what's the truth about the irs role now? >> the truth is they're going to have to spend $5 billion, $10 billion, at least, to enforce it. right now, the estimate is 16,500 new irs agents that need to be hired on, to be able to enforce it. you know, washington forgets that all this great talk in theory in washington has to be applied somewhere, and you've got to hire people to do it. so this is probably the job stimulus that they were talking about. there's going to be the stimulus to have to hire

almost -- you know, over 16,000 new irs agents. bill: sir, based on your understanding of what the laws state, how would the irs enforce this? >> well, the interesting thing about it is for those who are paying their taxes and playing by the rules, there may be the vehicle of just saying that your withholdings and your refunds will be withheld as a penalty to you if you're in that category, but if you're in a category that's under the radar, you're in the economy, you're not paying your fair share of taxes root now, they don't even have any vehicle to do it so it ends up being on the honor system. bill: if you were owed a refund by the irs based ondown understand -- on your understanding of the law, could they withhold that refund if they did not meet the health care mandate? >> absolutely. bill billion the speaker's office put out the myth busters yesterday, it's saying the irs could not confiscate assets, could not

impose criminal penalties, but everybodyta talks about this frankly isn't telling the truth, they say of the 16,000 workers, they say the number is a fabrication. is the speaker's office right or are you right? >> that 16,000 came out of the ways and means committee on specifically looking at how to enforce this. she's got to talk to her own people if they doesn't like that number. i mean, that's one you get around. you've got to get -- you've obviously got to create a bureaucracy to follow and chase the regulations, and pelosi may not have been a mayor like i have or chairman of a county but the fact is anybody who's ever operated government understands you don't put together a huge situation that's now going to manage 1/6 of the economy and don't expect a whole lot of bureaucrats to have to get in the way. bill: i'll tell you this, any time you get a letter in the mail and it says irs on t. you get that uh-oh factor they're trying to generate

revenue and trying to enforce it somehow and if it is the law and you're trying to balance your books, if the irs isn't the enforcer, who would do that? >> if they aren't, then -- you're right. all at once, all of this stuff they say is going to happen can't happen, because there's nobody there to make it happen. you know, and so you've got to have the irs agents because you're using the tax code to justify all of these regulatory changes. bill: brian bilbray, with a view from the other side, sir, we wanted to get you on today, we were talking to the speaker's office yesterday, trying to balance these issues and trying to figure out what the truth is in the end. so our viewers get a fair shake. thank you for coming on today. >> thank you very much. bill: it's to be continued. here's martha. martha: get this, a new poll shows grave concerns about the finances and indeed the future of the united states of america. nearly 80 percent think that a total collapse of the u.s. economy is a real possibility. we're going to take a closer

look at that. bill: i mentioned old man winter. martha: there he is! bill: name the state that is sick and tired of it. we'll tell you in three minutes.

bill: the top u.s. diplomat leading an entourage south of the border, homeland security secretary janet napolitano, robert jaits and joint staff chairman admiral mike mullen were some of the power brokers led by secretary of state clinton to address issues like you see here, the mission, shore up u.s. support for mexico in its fight against drug cartels. as you likely know, mexico's drug wars grow increasingly deadly. just recently, three members of the u.s. consulate in mexico were gunned down in broad daylight, which drew a lot of attention to that story. martha: blowing in, old man

winter, a powerful early spring snowstorm is no joke in colorado, they got pounded, as much as 2 feet in the dn ver area before the storm begins to ease off later today, we're told. these storms are fairly common in colorado this time of year, march and april considered the snowiest months of the whole year in colorado. that's why it's the home to such great spring skiing. but this storm, not a whole lot of fun, a doozy, high winds that have knocked out power in that area, visibility in some places we're told is near zero, the roads are treacherous, and they're telling folks if they can to stay off of the roads in that denver part of colorado. greg niaccho of kddr is live for us in the snow in denver. hey greg. >> reporter: hey, you want to put this into perspective, a couple of days back i was watching spring training in phoenix. now back to reality in denver, colorado.

talking about the amounts of snow, we're here along i25, leaving the denver metropolitan area, you can get a general idea of how much snow has accumulated on the sides of the road, causing plenty of difficulty for folks trying to drive through the conditions in the form of slush and mush, but the biggest concerns, this right here, lane recognition. perhaps you can or cannot make out the white line here. the biggest problem is for folks simply trying to stay in their lane. you talk to local police, this is the other part of the equation, the problem equation, abandoned vehicles folks last night, it's too difficult to drive, they leave the vehicles behind and check into a local hotel, as traffic is leaving the metropolitan area. this is affair example, you can see the sign here, but you turn to the right, to the blue, you can't make it out over there. it's very difficult conditions for folks making their way to or or out of the met ro area this early morning. martha: folks in denver used to this, so when they're spinning off the road, having a tough time, it is a

big, big storm. thank you very much for that report, greg. we'll keep an eye on everything in denver. thank you for your help. bill: when you see that image, it's yours, man! you can have it. martha: i love snow! bill: we've had a ton here. martha: we've had a ton. bill: now with the white house passing its number one priority, will they get the momentum continued here? what's next from the democratic agenda? is it immigration, cap and trade, might we revisit that, and how this might affect your bottom line. we examine that. martha: he strikes again. he is known as the grandpa bandit, bill. there he is, caught on surveillance camera. bill: that's grandpa? good genes! martha: good genes. we'll tell you what authorities are offering to anybody who can bring this guy in, when we come back.

bill: big legal decision today, a deadly attack in sea world, should the video be shown to the pub snrik we're set to hear from a judge on that very issue. so far the video is under lock and key. it shows dawn brancheau working with tilikum, the whale, moments before that fatal attack. the family is against releasing that videotape. she released a strong statement urging the judge to keep it sealed. there was a judge in orange county, orlando, florida, that will decide whether or not to keep the graphic images from the public. we'll debate this next hour

and we'll get to the courtroom when that hearing starts. >> this legislation tonight has one word to describe it, would-be opportunity, with its investment in education and health care, as a continuation of the president's budget. we all know and it's been said over and over again, that our economy needs something new, a jolt. martha: a jovment what's coming? that was speaker nancy pelosi moments after the health care overhaul bill cleared the house. she called it a moment of great opportunity. the president reportedly said during all of this that he needed to win health care to salvage his agenda. so that raises the question, what on the agenda can we expect next? maria cardona is senior adviser to hillary clinton, former communications director for the gny, and

jason rose is former adviser to mitt romney, as well as a gop campaign consultant. welcome, good to have you here, in the words of the vice president, this is a big bleeping deal! this is a big deal. now you got this in your back pocket, maria cardona as a democrat. what do you -- what do you do next, looking at things in front of you, which one are you going to grab first and try to get through? >> i think that we absolutely take advantage of the momentum that exists, the excitement across the country that this big battle on health care has been won, and we're going to focus on jobs, on the economy, and on financial regulation to start with. i would say a pivot, except for jobs and the economy is something that this administration has actually been focused on since obama came into office. there is already a jobs bill that clearly it is the number one priority for americans, so you're going to see the president continue to talk about this and continue to focus on

what america's middle class families and working class families and small businesses need. martha: republicans fought very hard against this bill but they lost, and now the feeling seems to be shifting, at least for the moment, in terms of who's got the momentum and who has the ball, and who can run with it right now in washington. what would you advise the gop in terms of their posture as they wait for some big financial reforms? i think that's going to be top of the list here. what do they do next? >> you know, it is a concern, i think, on the republican side, and i don't think we should be celebrating too much the passage of this bill, thinking it's going to be a boon. as i wrote on the slash report.org early in the week, a win is quite a tonic, regardless of the popularity of the legislation, and the white house now and the leaders of congress get to talk about the benefits to the american people of the bill, or at least perceived benefits, without them feeling any of the pain, since none of it will be implemented for some time, but now we roll in

with democrats having some momentum. financial regulatory reform is not going to be an easy thing for republicans to oppose because after what we've seen over the last couple of years with the markets and with the recession, anything that comes short of regulation is probably perceived as reckless. you also have immigration reform that, you know, could be a big wedge within the republican party with the chamber of commerce crowd and the activist crowd, and then you have cap and trade which will be very controversial. martha: what do republicans do? they've been called the party of no, throughout this process, and if health care had gone down, they could have planned a victory, but it didn't. you know, it passed. and you know, just quickly, then i want to get to maria. >> i'm comfortable with being the party of no if we're saying no to bad things. the problem is people are frustrated by gridlock and the democrats now look like they're getting things done and i'm concerned about that. martha: maria, this financial regulation bill is something i've been looking at fairly closely, and you

have chris dodd and barney frank who many think were instrumental in causing the first economic crisis in this country by looking away from fannie mae and freddie mac and now they're in charge of the financial regulations we're going to be under? >> absolutely. and i think they actually have a lot of credibility in this area, because obviously depending upon who you talk to, there are a lot of people who believe that democrats are actually the ones who were trying to keep this from happening and then it was republicans in the last 15 years that turned away from regulations that are badly needed, and that is what democrats are going to focus on now. and i agree with jason, it's going to be very tough for republicans to oppose this, because americans really feel that wall street was the one who caused this, and they have not felt any pain in the way that working class families and middle class families have, and that's what democrats are going to focus on. i hope republicans join us in this. if they don't, they don't at their peril. martha: you could feel it

overnight, and i watched an interview that steny hoyer did, jason, and he said you know what, i don't think we're going to lose a whole lot of seats over this and that momentum for republicans has been seriously challenged in what they thought they were heading into november with, and is that what you think? >> if i were him i wouldn't be too cocky and i would advise my brethren on the republican side not to be too cocky. we're talking seven, eight months before the election, when is many, many lifetimes. when you look across the board, there are races on the map now that were never even conceived of. look at patty murray if dino rossie were to run against her in washington state, a very blue state, and we're competitive there, mark kirk in illinois on the senate races, obviously, but this map has expanded and the democrats have got to play a lot more defense, and we do have, i think, the momentum going right now, but i just don't want to take it for granted. martha: we're going to watch the mid-term races closely and the poll numbers and how they shift. i think we're going to see a little shift in some of those numbers as a result of this health care package in

d.c., but we will see. it's good to see you, jason, thank you very much, maria, thank you very much. >> thank you. bill: you know what we didn't see in the signing room? martha: what? bill the bill. one sheet of paper, right? martha: you're right about that. bill: talk about a prop. martha: he signed his name with one half of the -- half of a name with the pen and -- because he had to use 22 pens. bill: we mentioned this a few minutes ago, health care package means big banks, private financial lenders will loan $170 billion a year, new the --o because the new measure shifts lending to the federal government. critics charge the private sector will lose 30,000 because of it and the government expect toss make $60 billion over the ten-year period with the u.s. treasury. that's what lamar alexander

was talking about minutes ago. martha: there's no courtroom showdown for oprah winfrey. she settled a defamation lawsuit filed by the former head mistress at the school that oprah started in south africa. that was set to begin in philadelphia, a statement says winfrey and the school met privately and settled their differences. if you recall, the school staff was dismissed after some of the students there, they had this big opening, the school that she started and then came allegations of sexual abuse, a dorm matron at the academy for girls was charged with abusing six students in that case. bill: 20 minutes before the hour. we don't need to tell you money is tight for just about everyone, families across the country, so much so it's forcing multiple generations, including grandparents and college grads to live under one roof. the model of the new american home includes a second master bedroom for grandma and grandpa.

laura ingle has that. reporter multi generational homes can make sense for families who have the financial double whammy of health care and helping out parents. it is a growing trend and one that is working well for families who need an extra helping hand around the house. >> those who have embraced multi generational living are finding it helps save money, time, and stress. >> we're getting older, and my husband had a business, he got ill with a heart problem, and couldn't work anymore, and we had to downsize. >> in the case of the angelo family in miller place, new york, there are nine people living under one roof, five kids, mom and bad dad, and grandma and grandpa who are more than convenient babysitters. >> dad is good at watching the baby, mom is good at driving when i can't be two places at once, dad is a good cook, thank goodness, because i'm not. >> the new american home includes two master bedrooms at opposite ends of the

house, one for the homeowner and one for their parents. >> you're seeing sort of a shift in the american culture, where more and more frequently, those that can afford to take care of the next generation are doing that, so we're seeing that there are more families that are trying to economize by moving in under the same roof. >> the pew research center reports an increase in adults age 25-39 living at home because of the recession, sons and daughters of baby boomers are being called boomerangers. it may not be for everyone, but for kids like ten-year-old jake angelo, it's pretty great living at home with your grandparents. >> we also get to spend a lot of time. that's the best part. and i can't imagine how it would be without them. >> angelo is so cute. it really is a big decision for many. experts say this is basically remaking your family and the key is a lot of talking, having open dialogue about discipline, chores, and of course, respecting space.

bill? bill: that's the way it used to be. laura ingle in new york, thank you. martha: this question for you on this wednesday, how much confidence do americans have in their government? and who do you believe has a solid financial plan? wait until you see the surprising answers to these questions in some brand new fox polls. we'll be right back.

bill: more than $12 trillion growing, that is what we owe as a nation. the national debt, just over $40,000 for every american citizen. just one of the many worries that folks have according to a brand new fox news opinion dynamics poll, it shows 79 percent of voters think it's possible for the nation's economy to simply collapse. that's four times the number of folks who disagree.

stunning. mal refactor is former chairman of the economic summit to the republican conference. also the founder of the monday meeting and frequent contributor to the fox forum at foxnews.com. a lot of jobs! good morning. >> good morning, bill. bill: that number i just pointed out includes a large number of democrats. seventy-two of the 79 say they're a democrat and they think the economy could collapse. what's that tell you as an economic guy? >> i'm not sure what collapse means, but i do know that by 2011, we're going to be having soaring inflation, interest rates are going to be going up dramatically, we're going to be seeing record unemployment, and a far worsening of the economy. the recession is getting worse. there are a number of reasons for this. the stimulus money stopping, the bush tax cuts end, there is going to be a lot more money due on the national debt, and lastly, which is a

biggie, all these new programs like health care are going to be just costing us a ton. bill: you're referring to the beginning of next year i think in your answer, right? >> yes, i am. 2011. bill: 2011. back to the polls numbers. check this out, is the federal government larger and more costly than before, 78 percent, yes, what describes your feeling for federal government, 65 percent say it's too big and restricts your freedoms. that's not a boost of confidence, not a sign of faith in washington. >> people are far more rational than we give them credit for. it's our lawmakers that need to listen to the people more and they're not. and that's on both sides of the aisle. bill: a clear plan for fixing the economy, on the screen, watch the bottom line there, does president obama or congressional democrats were congressional republicans have a clear plan, barack obama has the highest number there but still at 62 percent no. congressional dems, 71 percent. republican members of

congress, 79 percent. no one gets above 35 percent, mal re. >> well, bill, you have realize that republicans did have their chance to lead and when they did, they didn't do a very good job at it. the democrats took over and have done a worse job. the question is when republicans take over again will they be prepared to lead this time. i sure hope so for our country. we are on the brink of falling into a fiscal and economic abyss. bill: one more thing, what's the greatest threat to the country's future, national debt, terrorism, or both. 65 percent say national debt i mean, when was the last time post 9/11 that debt outscored terrorism 2-1? >> it's amazing. a lot of people don't realize this, but by the end of this year, we will be the seventh largest debtor to our gross domestic product. we'll be joining countries like zimbabwe, lebanon, jamaica, in terms of debt to

our gross domestic product. that's not real good. bill: and we might move to an island and jamaica might be one of them. thank you. if you want or information, log on to foxnews.com/polls and read the complete findings there. also find the results of other polling numbers that gauge how people feel about the national debt, the role of the federal government and what folks say is the biggest threat to our country today. martha: those numbers just getting behind you the whole time. the more you talk, the faster it went. did you know that? okay. do you know this guy? take a look. he's an elderly man. bill and i don't think he looks that elderly, but he's a grandpa, technically, apparently he's not idling his retirement. robin banks, here's something you can do besides golf. sometimes, though, he has a gun and the robber is called the grandpa bandit. we're going to tell you when he last struck and maybe you can help us find him. bill: should be an interesting day on the hill, day after the day, republicans taking a stand

against the health care law, republican senator judd gregg leading that charge. in moments he'll join us live to tell us why he thinks the landmark legislation spells financial doom for america's children. >> this will all end up rolling into a giant ball! like a huge, massive asteroid, headed to earth, which is basically going to land on our children's heads as debt.

bill: meet the bank rober the fbi calls the grandpa bandit, striking again in oregon. check out that picture! he just cruises into a bank, hanging out. he hit a bank of america branch in medford, oregon. take a look at surveillance videos showing the gray-haired bandit in action. don't know how he's gray-haired because he's

wearing a baseball cap but he's hit five banks, has been armed in at least one robbery, we're told. the reward for information leading to his arrest, up to $15,000. based on pictures like those, he will not get far as we have found out time and again. martha: well, he is the top american commander in iraq, general ray odierno, and he's confident the u.s. will meet its september deadline to withdraw all combat forces from that country. it has been an incredible journey through this war in iraq and our own melanie wilkes got to spend the day with the general and covered a wide range of topics, in all aspects of his work, right down to what's on his ipod. melanie is streaming live from baghdad with more. >> reporter: big changes from the u.s. military in the next five months, as they plan a rapid drawdown, and they are ending their combat mission. when i spent the day with

general odierno, he was most passionate when he talked about the troops who have served here. >> general ray odierno starts with a morning briefing but a conference room is no substitute for firsthand knowledge. most days the general is out in the field. today, visiting a joint u.s. arab checkpoint near kirkuk, planning for reducing u.s. forces from 95,000, to 50,000 by september 1st. >> this could be more burden on the iraqi army and police to do more. >> he's drawing down now but odierno is best known for the buildup of troops in 2007, he advocated the surge strategy, knowing it might drive the death toll in u.s. higher. >> it was a terrible burden, having recommended that we conduct the surge. i knew when i did it was going to be difficult times ahead. >> odierno says he believed in the strategy and the soldiers themselves. >> this belief i have in these young men and women that are serving today, their commitment, their dedication, -- the commander himself

works long hours, seven days a week, downtime is scarce. there is sports on tv, sometimes a movie. >> last movie you saw? >> valentine's day. >> what's on your ipod that you're listening to? >> frank sinatra. >> valentine's day, he saw that with his wife when he was home in washington lax month and frank sinatra,sy an italian american guy from jersey, martha. martha: i love that. we love that! frank sinatra on the ipod. got a little of that on my ipod, maybe yours, too. bill: you bet. martha: thanks molly. bill: she tragically died from doing her dream job. >> rescue. >> 6600 sea harbor drive. >> okay. >> sea world. >> okay, where is the patient located inside the park? >> at shamu stadium, we actually have a trainer in the water with one of our whales, the whale that they're not supposed to be in the water with. >> okay. bill: does the public have

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neutrogena® cosmetics recommended most by dermatologists. martha: a "fox news alert," should the video of the deadly killer whale attack we covered, about a month ago at sea world, should that video be shown to the public? that is the very emotional question that is in the courtroom, that you are looking at right now, we are set to hear from a judge in florida, on that issue and expect a ruling, moments from now, about whether or not that video will be released to the public, so far, and this is what the family want, it has remained under lock and key. if you are weary about health care, when you thought the debate was over, let the health care side show begin today. day two now, as they grapple over this senate reconciliation bill. there is a lot of work going on,

on capitol hill right now on the senate side, a package of fixes, that was designed to tie up the loose ends in that insurance overhaul and a lot of the senate -- house democrats, i should say, voted for the health care bill, believing these fixes would get passed, now, republicans are kidding this their last chance to derail -- considering this their last chance to derail some of the elements of the bill and possibly send the big bill back to the house for another vote and is shaping up to be another show down as we begin a brand new hour of "america's newsroom," i'm martha maccallum. bill: and the bill cannot be filibustered but the republicans want propose as many amendments as they want and lawmakers get 20 hours of debate and, we expect that sometime this afternoon, happening 3:30. martha: and carl cameron is live on capitol hill where he must be sleeping, he's been there around the clock, maybe one of those

handy cots ready for carl. how is it going? where are we today on all of this? >> reporter: you're right. they'll get to vote-arama, and maybe closer to 5:30 or later, but, the goal for democrats is to get the voting done and wrap up the 20 hours of debate today and mathematically it wouldn't be possible but harry reid the democratic majority leader has yielded back the democrats' time, a maneuver that essential says we are done talking and let's get to the voting and there will be a few opportunity and you'll see democrats on the floor, yakking today, but when it comes to have beening on behalf of the reconciliation fixes they are done and don't feel it is necessary to continue debate with the republicans who have 8 more hours of talking they can consume, and, what the g.o.p. will do is fire up two tactics, making point of order against various provision within the fixes, and if those point of order are accepted it would require those provisions to be pulled out of the bill.

and the second thing is to make a series of amendment proposals, if any of the amendment pass, that would change the bill, and, if there is a change, by point of order or amendment, then, the fixes have to go back to the house. and, be debated and voted on all over again, and that could slow down the process, it is unlikely that that will happen. republicans recognize the democrats are systematically amassing the numbers to kill all of their amendments, and, the parliamentarian is likely to rule against most of their points of order. the republicans know this and have got ep all the signals and read all the tea leaves and, frankly before this final debate began yesterday, the republican leadership said, we're already looking towards the fall. for them, the health care reform law and the fixes bill are effectively a fate acome place, a done deal in -- fait accompli and, they see big opportunities in november to talk democrats out of office. martha: and that has been the focus of the discussion, what

the vote would mean now the democrats have a victory does it change the dynamic as they -- both sides look at 2010. >> reporter: well, it depend on what you mean by change the dynamic. i mean, let's be realistic. there were 35 vulnerable democrats in the house before the health care act became a law. they are still vulnerable and a bunch of democrats voted against it and voted against it it in the house and let's remember they now find themselves at odds with their president, out of step with their party, and, running in many cases, red districts or states which is to say conservative or republican-leaning areas where the democratic agenda is not popular but they have a "d" after their name and the fact health care is law has not changed how endangered they are as incumbents, the conservative democrats and as for entrepreneu republicans, they thought it would be a successful midterm before health care became law and still are. and there is no doubt, the obama administration will get plate of

a bump from the the passage of the law, but as a matter of electoral politics, come november, democrats are nervous and, understandably and republicans are cocky, because they are trying to stieeer it i their direction. bill: you will not see many changes to the system until after the next presidential election and most of the major public policy modifications will not take effect until late 2012. and the president, many of those in congress who crafted the bill might not be in washington by the time it takes hold. one thing that does take effect, right now, that -- the tanning tax. martha: oh, no! bill: you have to pay the piper if you want the golden glow, martha! expect a 10% surcharge at indoor tanning salons, and that is one tax applied before the impact of the reforms are felt and before the new taxes kick in, there is one new poll that shows a shift in americans' opinion of the bill. a "usa today/gallup poll" more americans favor than oppose, 49%

say it is a good thing the house passed the bill and 40% say it was a bad thing and we should note, however a lot of other polling, still shows sizable majorities opposed to the law. 6 minutes past. martha: tanning is not good for you anyway, right and men and women who wrote the health insurance overhaul bill could be exempt from the legislation they created. listen to this. . only, quote, official congressional staff are required to enter the new health care program and the language may not include much of the teams that support the congressional leadership and committee staff. let me explain it. for instance, people who are employed by congresswoman nancy pelosi on her congressional staff, they have got to buy in to the health care plan, those who are employed by house speaker nancy pelosi in her speaker's office, they get to keep their private plan, as you heard the president say so many times if you like your plan you can keep it and that will apply to those folks, apparently, the loophole is taking a lot of

heat, from critics on both sides of the aisle today. bill: also, health care and illegal immigrants are basically disqualified from nonemergency health care coverage under the new law and with immigration reform likely the next priority on the president's agenda what will happen to health care costs if, roughly, 3% of the population, about 11 million people, are suddenly dropped into the system? william lajeunesse is looking at this live in l.a. and what does the bill mean for undocumented workers, among border states, like where you are, william. >> reporter: illegal immigrants represent 15% of america's uninsured cpopulation and they are not covered under the bill and they'll continue to get the care showing up at hospitals and clinics, on an emergency basis and it could change this spring when democrats are expected to introduce comprehensive immigration reform. here are the numbers: there are 11 million illegals currently living in the u.s.,

35% do have health insurance through their employers. but, 7 million are uninsured and earn less than 400% of the official poverty level and that would mean many would be automatically enrolled in medicaid, and others would qualify for the federal subsidies, $5,000 per enroll eand that puts the health care costs at 10 to $30 billion a year. >> the health care reform bill does raise significantly the cost of an amnesty or legalization, now, roughly 7 million low income uninsured illegal immigrants would be insured at taxpayer expense. >> reporter: and that basically means, you remember how important it was to get the cbo figure under $1 trillion cost over ten years and it becomes irrelevant data, the day after it is passed, if indeed we see comprehensive immigration reform. bill: on the other side of the

issue what is the argument for covering illegals? >> bill, it is twofold, number one, illegal immigrants generally men between ages 18 and 40 are pretty healthy. but, of course, their health care costs are lower because they simply power through. but once they get health insurance their utilization costs go up and the second one is these guys are working, they are paying taxes, and, therefore, should be covered. bill: william lajeunesse, from l.a. on that story, a lot to go through, man, day after day, and that is what happens when you have 3,000 pages, right? here's martha with more. martha: all right, now is the -- the reforms of the health care legislation begin to take effect we want to know what you think about all of this. will this impact president obama's re-election hopes, in 2012? go to foxnews.com and click on our "you decide" poll and what do you think the top issue will be and we look forward to hearing your answers on those important questions and now, bill, more than 112,000 people...

bill: oh! martha: have voted out there, i guess you have opinions on all of this, that you want to have heard and we'll make sure we put those numbers up so everybody can see what you think about these very big issues. in our country right now. bill: all right, "fox news alert," a -- news about the economy into "america's newsroom," home sales, sink to a record low, in the month of february, down 2.2%, wow. analysts saying the snowstorms and the layoffs, partly to blame for the drop in home sales, new home sales, this is. all of this following an 11.2% plunge in january. pretty much syncs up with what we have been seeing, over the last three months, doesn't seem like they've hit the bottom yet, gotta get the real estate market shored up and so far in january, february and march it has not gone that way. 10 minutes now past the hour, that news crossing, right here. martha: that is important. all right, now, new hampshire republican judd gregg leading the charge against the package of senate health care fixes right now on capitol hill. warning americans about

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arabian wires and we have not independently confirmed this but they are reporting, saudi arabia dismantled a 101 strong al qaeda cell, that is according to the saudi arabian ministry and has been operating in the oil-rich kingdom and they say they dismantled a large, 101-strong al qaeda cell and we're working on the story to confirm it and will bring you details as they come in. bill: a big deal, huh, back in the country pythons a problem in the florida everglades and the obama administration is placing a ban on all restrictive snakes, and some praising it, saying it would prevent them from causing damage to the ecosystem but a group is out there with a big problem with the proposed ban. pet dealers. they say the ban would jeopardize the billion dollar pet trade industry and threatens jobs and threaten the overall economy.

martha: here's one of the big questions on capitol hill today, can republicans actually get anywhere with reconciliation in the senate, and, what will they make their next fight as they regroup, after the health care vote on the hill, senator judd gregg has the title of g.o.p. manager of the reconciliation bill, and we'll ask how he feels about that and showed you his fury statements about what he calls the asteroid of debt, that is headed towards our nation and senator greg says that will be the result of the health care bill, and we are glad to be joined right now by new hampshire republican senator judd gregg the ranking member of the senate budget committee. good morning to you. >> thank you, martha, thanks for having me on, appreciate it. martha: you have suggested that, at this point, it may be that the best that republicans can do is to point out bad policy. that you believe the bad policy is -- with the health care.

is that all that will happen with the reconciliation procedure. >> lookes like the democrats wil walk in lock step and, will vote everything down and i have an amendment that says the medicare savings in the bill, which are huge, about a trillion dollars in medicare cuts, in the bill, when it is fully implemented over ten years, savings should be used to make medicare strong and more solvent and medicare is in a serious situation and will go bankrupt in five years and if we save a trillion dollars, out of medicare and make beneficiaries take, basically, cuts in their services, that money ought to benefit senior citizens and instead, the money in this bill, the medicare savings go to create a new entitlement program for people who don't pay into medicare and never have made into medicare and are not senior citizens, so, as a practical matter, this amendment, i think is reasonable and there are other reasonable amendments, and john mccain is suggesting we knock out the sweetheart deals, like the louisiana purchase, why

shouldn't we do that and that would be an improvement to the bill and all the amendments will be voted down on a party line vote which is unfortunate, and, it is a reflection of the way the bill has been passed, there has been little attempt to come across this aisle and the only bipartisanship was the opposition in the house to the bill. martha: i'm curious what you think of the impact on the coming election in november and i want to look at a statement from steny hoyer in an interview that he did, and he says, from that standpoint i think that it was the right thing to do. talking about passing the health care bill, he says i think that americans will come to that conclusion. and i don't think it will cost us a lot of seats. what do you think about that? >> i think if americans focused on what the bill bill do they will be upset and it will expand the government by $2.6 trillion and cut medicare by a trillion dollars and use the money to create new programs for people who are not on medicare and is going to force a lot of small employers, small business people to drop their insurance, for employees, and force employees on the exchange -- these exchanges, and if you have

medicare advantage you will probably lose it and there will be a lot of people in this country whose medicare, health care is impacted directly by this, and then there are the tax in the bill which are huge. >> let me jump in, if i may, the question is, when all of that is going to kick in, a lot of people feel the initial benefits, the kids covered until they are 26, that kind of thing is going to feel pretty good to most people and may carry the momentum until november and the pain that is in the bill, the pain that you are referring to, is not really going to be felt by the time election roll around. >> you must assume the american people aren't very smart to say that, because they are filled with -- a very strong strain of common sense and the common sense tells us, you cannot grow the government by $2.6 trillion, and not end up passing onto our kids a weaker country and country that is more in debt, and you cannot raise taxes the way the bill will raise tax and not end up stifling growth and you cannot cut medicare by a trillion dollars and expect seniors to get as good a program and sure, all of these actions may not kick in, immediately,

but, people are going to know they are coming and i think they'll say, why, why, why are we do you agree this? we could have gotten the snierns reform without the massive expansion in government. martha: you are right about the american people, they are pretty smart and thank you very much for being with us and i hope you will come back, we want to get into the financial reforms, which seems they'll be the next big step that may try to get pushed through, in a fairly partisan manner at least the way it appears now and hopefully we'll talk about that next time, sir. good to have you with us, sir, senator judd gregg. bill: and quoted it yesterday, in the senate, big asteroid. martha: landing on your kids' head. bill: a u.s.-russian nuclear deal is in the works. what is it? we'll talk about that, also today... martha: a tragic video that does exist, of the whale attack, that killed this woman, who was a trainer of those whales and that hearing is what you are seeing going on on the right. what will the judge decide?

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bill: a question has america found a new ally in the war on terror? in an exclusive interview, the son of moammar gadhafi, the expected future leader of libya is talking with fox news, and what he says could have implications for the war on terror and libya, going after al qaeda in its own country. amy kellogg streaming live with the exclusive from tripoli in libya. amy? >> reporter: well, bill, since renouncing the wmds program, libya has been trying to reinvent its image and to position itself on the forefront of counterterrorism and the way

libya now plans to deal with militant radical islamists from those who have tried, plotted to violently overthrow the gadhafi regime to those who fought shoulder to shoulder with usama bin laden in afghanistan and even some who fought in iraq, is reconciliation and libya released 214 prisoners in the last 24 hours, and the biggest militant group here, which has been traditionally very close to al qaeda, the libyan islamic fighting group, recently renowned violence after religious reeducation, and, the three top leaders of the group were released yesterday. the man on the right was referred to, during the first afghan war, in the '80s, as, quote, the sheikh of the arab fighters, by mullah omar and these reached militants have been unequivocal about giving up their fight against the libyan regime and are less clear on their views on global jihad but

gadhafi's son says they have no reason to enter into any further foreign conflicts. >> now we have a different situation, we have a new administration and new president, and americans are getting out of iraq, and are withdrawing their troops, and, handing back the country, back to the iraqis, and we have a different picture. >> reporter: and he is confident that these released prisoners are not going to return to a life of violence, but, bill, lots of american counterterrorism experts have been invited to tripoli to evaluate the program, and they are not all so sure and some state is a brave step and others, it is not sufficiently well thought out and others suggest it is difficult to predict recidivism in the future and is also not clear whether the program will reach those who have not yet been imprisoned or entered. bill: haddist groups, others say, though, because the libyan group is so very high profile,

in the jihadist community it may have a big effect, on groups like al qaeda, in the maghreb in north american africa and across the world. bill: amy kellogg live in tripoli, in libya. amy on the exclusive. martha: today a major recall every parent of young babies need to know about. bill: also, new developments this morning, the case of the sea world trainer drowned by a killer whale. should the public have access to videos showing the trainer's death? a florida judge decides that today and we'll have a fair and balanced debate as to what the public should have access to. in minutes. [ male announcer ] when you start with simple ingredients, like 100% whole grain, the way triscuit does, you always end up with something delicious. ♪ triscuit. weave some goodness.

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bill: we have an update out of beijing, the world's most popular search engine versus the world's most populous country, the recycle relationship between google and china getting worse, an obama administration official saying a cyber attack launched on google last year can be traced to the chinese government, comes as google stopped censoring the internet for users in china and moving the search engine offshore, on monday of this week, and china denying the allegation, that were leveled against it. for more on the story, head to foxnews.com and read all about it on-line, right now. martha: threaten then there is .

the u.s. could be close to a new nuclear arms agreement with russia, coming from a senior white house official the u.s. has been working with russian officials on the deal that would replace a 1991 agreement, that expired back in december, and sources say the new treaty will likely be signed in prague, which as you may remember is where president obama delivered a speech on nuclear arms control, being a centerpiece of his agenda. bill: so we wonder what is next on health care, senators debating changes to the health care law on capitol hill at the moment, a live look at the flood, senator john mccain is fired up, listen here: >>... i think there are two reasons, one is because there is a large support of those who wrote the legislation, by those that benefit doctors... bill: that is not the senator there, both republicans here. >> and the doctor's only defense is to order tests they need, the patient doesn't necessarily need. bill: he's a physician and he's -- >> and the second is because,

they couldn't get... bill: we are watching this today and lawmakers wrestling with the reconciliation bill, what they argued about, fixes and changes in law and a package of changes that were passed late on sunday night and republicans consider it their last chance to derail the massive overhaul and cannot filibuster under senate rules but can introduce as many amendments as they want, if any one of those amendment passes, they could send the whole big health care law back to the floor, of the house for a new vote. we're watching that, right now, senator coburn and john mccain on the floor, right now. martha: you could soon be feeling a little bit of pain in your pocket, mandatory medical insurance. just ask the folks in the city by the bay. san francisco residents seeing a surcharge on their tabs at their local restaurants. and that is a direct result of city mandated health care coverage. it soon could be on the menu at chow lines, coast-to-coast, we're told and claudia cowan is reporting on this live in san francisco and how does it work

in san francisco? >> reporter: businesses with 20 or more employees can provide health insurance themselves as most companies do or pay a fee into a city run program which is most restaurants are doing, albeit begrudgingly, to cover the cost restaurant owners either have to jack up their menu prices, or, add a so-called healthy surcharge, right onto the check and, martha, either way customers foot the bill for the first of its kind universal health care program. martha: interesting, because there are some taxes, and -- in the health care bill some people are put unplaces maybe they shouldn't be and people will be surprised by and is it obvious to people when they get the surcharge what it will support. >> it is very obvious. some restaurants spell it out on the menu and others on the bill and customers are fully aware they are having to pay a little bit extra, to cover the health care costs of their waiters and their bus boys. and, the cooks in the kitchen. and even if these workers don't live in san francisco, and even

if they only work part-time, even if they are in the country, illegal. and, martha, as you might imagine it caused a lot of heated debate. while neighborhood cafes say their customers don't mind paying the surcharge, too much, a lot of the downtown restaurants depend on visitors and tourists say it hurts the bottom line, as one restaurant owner put it, to me, he's having to tax his customers, to fund the political mandate. martha: interesting. all right, claudia, thank you very much, in san francisco. bill: and we asked the question, what rights do the media and public have to private videotape, i want to check in on a courtroom in orlando, florida. a county judge expected to make a decision today, in the dawn brancheau case, she was the sea world trainer drowned by a killer whale in february, but does the public have a right to see the footage? criminal defense attorney arthur rydell is with me and former prosecutor, tamara holder and the family doesn't like the idea at all and made it quite clear and we'll get to that.

artie, what is your view, does the public have a right to see this? no. no. no. no. why, the bottom line. why, what, put the whale on the fbi's top ten most wanted? will we educate people about staying away from killer whales? that is well-known. we have to stop society's desire, their appetite to -- to take pleasure, perverse pleasure in other people's tragedy. i mean, bill, what if somebody was caught reading raped on tape, should we put that on-line? and, think about the harm it will do to the family, the bereavement, what they are going through, it is horrible. bill: i'll get to the family this a moment and tamara, you feel otherwise? how come? >> absolutely. okay, first of all, the idea that you are going to put the whale on the fbi's most wanted list, doesn't even make sense, that the crazest argument. we are not talking about a paris hilton or jennifer lopez private sex tape, we're talking about witnesses who watched a video,

we're talking about balancing the public interest versus the private interest of the family. bill: what is the public's interest in this? as far we can tell, it is a tragic death, in the teeth and the jaws of a killer whale. >> no. i -- i disagree with you. there is a lot of interest in the public, seeing this tape. training issues. security issues, at sea world. was the whale being treated properly? there are a lot of questions here, and, education, in america, is one of the most important -- >> education has nothing to do with that, bill, and the drastic nature of this video. the graphic nature of this video, bill, serves one purpose. either the financial purpose of selling air time or advertising on the internet, or, the purpose of causing intentional infliction of emotional distress on the family and friends of dawn, who was tragically killed. >> who is going to cause thin

intentional infliction, that makes no sense. >> not invoking their ethical obligation to do what is common sensical and what is right under the laws of common sense and human decency. bill: it is true, if someone is out to sue the videotape could be invaluable and so far the family has not indicated a desire to go there. and here's the statement from the family, it remains a time of tremendous sadness and grief for our family, and if we have it we'll pull it up. the mother, we believe of dawn in the courtroom now for the past 38 minutes and this statement continues, use of the video would do nothing more than further sensationalize a tragic event and traumatize our family, tamara, i ask you, what consideration should the judge afford this family including the mother on screen here? >> well, of course, this is a terrible tragedy. and, that is something the judge should consider. but, the judge has to do a balancing test. he has to weigh the public's interest and the private interest. and this family has already gone through the tragedy. their daughter is dead. unfortunately. it is a terrible thing.

however, the public has a right to know, for many reasons. bill: i understand your argument and i'm not so convinced, thus far, sea world certainly doesn't want it made public and artie, what does the judge do. >> what the judge does is he narrow his ruling down and say, listen if there is a party looking to pursue a lawsuit and wants to view the tape, what is called in camera, in the judge's chambers, we don't all need to see this. and we will not learn anything. bill: tamara, is that good enough for you. >> no. as somebody who visits these parks, i want to know how are they protecting me as a visitor? and, as trainers... >> there is no issue here about, the visitors were not in harm's way. bill: the public is never going to be threatened by this, it was workers inside the pen. >> we don't know that. bill: thanks to you, a lively disturbin discussion and appreciate it. and i don't know what the bill will do. artie, thanks, and tamara,

thanks. martha: the consumer products safety commission is recalling a million baby carriers that may in some cases suffocate newborns the infantino and the wendy bellisimo swings and parents are urged to top stop using them instantly. bill: a dire warning and a dangerous thing, sending explicit photos by way of cell phones and it is a crime and why a state is trying to reduce the punishment for the crime. martha: and making sure that chelsea king did not die in vain. she's the san diego teenager who was raped and murdered, a registered sex offender who should not have been living in the area where he was, at the time, is charged in her crime. that is john chandler, who you are looking at there.

police believe he may have been connected to several other crimes and what chelsea's parents, very strong parents, are trying to do, right now, to change the law and the way that the u.s. handles sexual predators, that is next. [ female announcer ] treat yourself to something special for lunch. how about a coastal soup and grilled shrimp salad combination? or maybe our new savory shrimp jambalaya. seafood lunches starting at just $6.99 at red lobster.

along with jane skinner, we'll see you in 15 minutes for "happening now" and when we do, health care, it has been reached, it is the law of the land, right? well, maybe not. we'll be speaking with tennessee senator lamar alexander about what happens next in the senate and speaking with the 15 attorneys general from the states suing to stop this. >> and i'm on the nutty animal beat, the mystery monkey of tampa bay and a horse who doesn't talk but paints and wait until you see his work. we'll see you at the top of the hour. bill: 16 minutes before the hour, connecticut lawmakers say they are trying to tackle the trend of sex-ting, among

teenagers and not a good idea and with the current state law, a juvenile caught doing the time has to enroll as a sex offender and a punishment many feel is too strong and the laws were not written with technology in mind and, right now, are looking to change the punishment to paying a fine and rolling in an education program. and, that from connecticut. martha: and the family of 17-year-old chelsea king, is now fighting to make sex offender laws much tougher. their daughter, chelsea, went jogging one afternoon, leaving their home, and never came back and five days later, the san diego police found her body, she was raped and she was murdered. the suspect, charged in the case, turned out to be this man, john gardner. a registered sex offender, who local police believe was connected to several other violent climes crimes and hrime convicted and done time several

times naiand the hope of the pat is they could pass "chelsea's law" to keep sexual predators like him from ever touching another young woman again, and wendy murphy is a child advocate who fought tirelessly on these kinds of laws and joins me now. wendy, good to have you with us. i think a lot of -- >> good morning. martha: good morning, you have megan's law, it didn't work, in the case and john gardner at one point had a tracking system on his ankle bracelet and didn't put batteries into it and it didn't work and he got into trouble for that but was allowed to be on the street and he was in a different location, close to a school, when he came upon chelsea king, and never should have been legally allowed to be in that area and nobody seemed to care and nobody seemed to catch him. >> yes. and let's remember that he was a very dangerous man according to the experts. he would certainly offend again, he was going to find more victims and they still let him out and the system failed at every level and good for chelsea

kink's parent king's parents, to make the world a safer place in the name of their daughter, good for them and a couple of things they are trying to do that would really make a difference and starts start with gps tracking and, he was supposed to be on a bracelet an even for guys on bracelets, what we need to be doing with the most dangerous guys if they are out and they shouldn't be... is active gps monitoring, there are two kinds of systems and one, called passive monitoring, where basically cops check in technologically speaking, once or twice a day, to see where they are, and it is like making a phone call to the guy, really, meaningless, the active monitoring system is constantly aware of where these guys are. it tracks them every second of every day. and, somebody is always watching, for guys like this, where we know they will offend again, that is a must-do item and that is absolutely worth pushing and another idea the kings are talking about, parole

reform. boy, what a good idea, you know, remember, parole messed up in the jaycee dugard case as well, they are not doing their job and how do you make them do their job, you could sue them which i hope the king family promotes the idea of more lawsuits against them. but, also, here's an idea. instead of doing what they do, which is look at the nature of the infraction, oh, this guy got caught smoking marijuana, under our definition of serious infractions it doesn't fit and it is a minor infraction and let's keep him out and not surrender him and send him back to jail and instead of looking at the nature of the infraction, look at the guy and who he is and look at the criminal, and, if he's a dangerous guy, like gardener was and you know he'll hurt another child, use the minor infraction as an excuse, frankly, to toss him back in the can, because that is... martha: and there are many other areas of law enforcement, you see terrorists getting pulled over for a traffic violation, and they are done. they are in. why doesn't that apply -- >> al capone went to jail for

tax craw tax fraud. martha: it is hard for the mind to grasp it and, they support them, who were kind enough to speak to us on the reform, and it is strong of them to do this in the wake of the death of their daughter, wendy murphy, great to see you. >> my pleasure. bill: destination mars, brand new images of the red planet like you have never seen before, because nasa can see inside of mars, and look at this! ♪ ♪ cold as ice ♪ cold as ice ♪ yes, i know... imagine skin so healthy, it never gets dry again.

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colossal ice spiking up two miles from the floor of a massive crater, from deep in space, reconstructed on earth by nasa and pieced together from high resolution images captured by telescopes and what do these amazing pictures mean for understanding the red planet, who better to ask than leonardo, with the high rise program, at the university of arizona, and welcome to our program, my friend. good morning to you. >> good morning to you. bill: i want our viewers to see this mohave crater and what do we see in these pictures? >> basically, we're seeing just a small portion of the rather large kracrater, 38 miles in diameter, and, our camera see a spot of -- on mars that is about four miles in width and we are only seeing a small portion of the mohave crater and what we

are seeing is sort of the upper right portion or the northwest portion of the crater, and we're looking at basically the crater wall. bill: we are told these are one of a kind and now like the different channels of the crater, are the most intriguing element to it. and how does that enhance our knowledge of what is happening on mars, and why would we care? >> well, what is interesting about this particular crater is that basically it is a very fresh crater. it is gee logically a young feature on mars. possibly on the order of ten million years in age which is very recent in geologic terms. and, because of its freshness, and the appearance of these channels, it sort of suggests that when this crater formed, and the tremendous energy released by the crater's formation, which if you do a

calculation get something like 35 million hiroshima-sized bombs going off simultaneously and the tremendous heat from this impact would have released water that essentially may have been frozen ice -- >> i see, and perhaps, maybe, deep employee the surface the water is still there today, but the crater is huge, 38 miles in diameter, and is something that we are just now getting a chance to see, because of the high rise camera, that basically combines two different images and makes it almost 3d and that is what nasa is working with now, thanks for sharing today. with the university of arizona. >> my pleasure. bill: good to have you on today. martha: libio leonardo tonoveni, great time! as you know, congress passed the insurance overhaul, and -- unless you were under a rock the past 48 hours, and now the

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