>> glenn: welcome to the "glenn beck program." we've made it to yet another weekend. it's friday. i'm about to get your weekend off to a really good start. here goes. according to the heritage foundation, it costs you $146 million just in the last year to pay for the flight upgrades of federal employees who said they wouldn't fly coach. ♪ ♪ >> glenn: hello, america. welcome to friday. we're wrapping up our week of trying to develop some plan. i'm working on different ideas. we have to fundamentally change.

the first thing we have to do is fundamentally change our thinking. faith, hope and charity. we need to be those things to be able to survive. then we need to think out of the box. the old ways aren't going to work anymore. do you remember this pledge from barack obama? >> absolutely we need earmark reform. when i'm president i'll go line-by-line to make sure we're not spending money unwisely. >> glenn: see that's what people, when they voted for change this is what they were looking for. they were looking for common sense. we haven't gone line-by-line. we had ear marks and they're doing nothing but adding to the budget. there is no subtracting what so ever. we added $1 trillion in healthcare, nearly $1 trillion in stimulus and he's now adding in massive tax increases. there is talking about there is no way to do this without the tax increases. yes, there is. if he won't go through the budget line-by-line, we will. it's going to take me about a

year, but cato has done a lot of this work. this week we have been working with the cato institute on the budget. my plan hopefully will be finished, we'll have it out maybe by september. because there is a lot to think out. i had a meeting with people in new york and we were going over it. i said what do you think we really need to do? every time -- i had my own think tanks. every time they had a suggestion, yeah, that's what the founders said. yeah, that's what the founders did. that was taken out, the founders originally had it in. it's common sense. we need a restoration. this week, we have talked about the cuts that the cato institute made and recommending, counting on cuts we made in social security and medicaid. we already found, just from things we've done on this program in the last week pretty, i think pretty common sense, a lot of it. we have already found over $400 billion to trim from the

budget. we have just done a few things. all we need is commitmen commitd exxon sense, but we need an understanding. we need to have a real dialogue with americans. common sense tells you the department of agriculture shouldn't be there. shouldn't we eliminate or severely limit farm sub suddies? this -- subsidies? this is an idea that came from f.d.r. we love farmers. they work incredibly hard and they feed us and the world. 70% of the money coming through this agency, 70% go to the largest 10% of corporate farms. these are gigantic industries. these are gigantic farms. this isn't mom and pa and grandma and grandpa anymore. why are the corporations receiving government subsidiaries? by the way, even with all the

subsidiaries, america is no longer america's bro bread basket. how did it happen? this agency pays people not to grow stuff. take a look at another agency. h.u.d. office of housing and urban development. this is an agency that is rocked by scandal and corruption. we waste $65 billion a year and we spend it on public housing and rental subsidiaries. okay? hear we now. we can't afford bloated inefficient, ineffective, government mo mono lit. we must stop relying on the government for food and housing. it's enslaving more and more americans making them dependent. if we don't stop it soon, we will never break free of it. those without food and shelter need to be helped. but by local and state

agencies, friend and family. each of us. local church groups. that's the way it was in the beginning and the way it should be. they're killing charity by disguising it as the department of housing and urban development. then there is the department of congress. homes to important institutions, such as well you have the census bureau. by the way, now is being overseen by the white house. there is no trouble there. the patent and trademark office. but it's home to unneeded programs that subsidize businesses and fund local development progress. further, the department administers misguided foreign trade policies to try to boost exports and restrict imports. who knows what game we are playing anymore? the department will spend $20.11 billion and $100,000 for every u.s. household. do you know what they do? is there anything now not

subsidized or controlled by the federal government? subsidiz subsidized, other than fox news and talk radio, i can't think of anything. then again, look how successful talk radio and fox news is and they don't get any subsidiaries. boy, what a weird coincidence, huh? we're always told by if groups of radicals in the administration and now controlling our government, that the free market has or is failing. let me tell you something. this is the truth. it's not hate speech. it's the truth. the free market hasn't been attempted for decades. here are a few examples of unbelievable waste tolerated by us. just in from the group citizens against government waste. remember, this is -- look at this. this is your money. almost $3 million for shrimp aqua-culture research. it tastes good when you dip

it in cocktail sauce. what is the mystery here? $2.5 million for potato research. is this to better understand our food so we can relate to it before eating it? i don't know. $206,000 for wool research. let me help. it's itchy. it's hot. $200,000 for lobster research. tastes good hot, with drawn butter. yummy. done. $7 billion for the robert c. bird institute of advanced flexible manufacturering system. what? $500,000 for exhibits at the check and slovak museum and library in cedar rapids. what about the albanian exhibits, do we not care about them, america? what kind of country are we. $250,000 for the i won't cheat foundation in salt lake city for an anti-steroids education and awareness campaign. because i guess people with

big huge foreheads isn't enough of a message to the kids. don't turn into the hulk. parents can't handle the education with their kids about steroids. wait, there is more. now how much would you pay? according to the heritage foundation, the government wasted $72 billion -- listen to this. $72 billion in improper payments. in 2008, $100 million was wasted by the defense department on unused flight tickets. because they never bothered to collect the refund though the tickets were refundable. can you imagine running your household or your business this way? they don't give a flying crap. we spent $2.6 million to train chinese prostitutes to drink more responsible on the job. i mean, i know we all -- no, there is nothing more annoying than a chinese prostitute who can't focus on the job at hand.

so to speak, because she is too liquored up. i think we all hate that, don't we? that has to stop. it all has to stop. what are we? insane? why would we do these things? why would we take money from people in minneapolis and then send it to washington, d.c., so the washington, d.c. people can then slip it off to alaska to build a bridge to nowhere? if alaskans want to build a bridge for $250 million to service 30 people, let them build it! that's their issue. meanwhile, in minneapolis, the money that is there, should be going here because their bridges are collapsing. it makes no sense. you can live this way for a while. i'm a recovering alcoholic. let me tell you something the first step to recovery is admitting that we have a problem. hello, my name is america. and we have a problem.

you have to admit it first and then do the tough things and you better do it before your teeth fall out. i think america has economic cancer. really, a cancer that's been rotting at the constitution as well. if we would have addressed it when we had stage one cancer, i mean, heck, when? when? back when? johnson? how about reagan? when reagan was in office. when reagan was talking about hey, social security is going to fall apart and you're not going to be able to do it. maybe if we would have done something then we could have started out changing our diet. we could have had localized treatment. we could have phased in over ten years or so, some gradual changes. but now we have this cancerous tumor that is -- i mean it's like on the side of our face and down our neck. we have to tuck the tumor into our shirt and most people in washington are walking around going, "what tumor? i don't know any tumor." what are you nuts?

now we need radical treatment. the white house says we're past the worst of it, don't worry about it. by the way, unsustainable so we have to have massive tax increases. wait a minute, i thought we were past the worst of it. why are we having massive tax increases? what are you talking about? i thought the debt didn'tp matter. i thought we could grow our way out of this. let me ask you this question: anybody who says we can grow our way out of this spending. notice they're not saying it anymore? they realize i think you're not stupid. where the growth coming from? oh, auto manufacturering. yeah. we have toyotas driving down the street and they're driving themselves in into poles. people still say, "i'd rather have that than a g.m." and steel? no. we closed that down. clothing? no, we don't make clothing anymore. apple. apple is going to save us! nope, made elsewhere. check your iphone.

designed in california. assembled by slaves in china. i think they leave the slave part out. how about the green jobs in yeah. solar panels. yeah. do you really think we can make solar panels cheaper with our union labor than they can make in s s say india? i didn't think so. be honest. because we -- i did this, too. we all did. we wanted to believe the lie. we believed it. we had a good time. now it's time to sober up. we'll hurt with the changes. my first five years in the recovery from alcohol, i didn't think i was going to make it. it was a lot easier in some ways to go back to drinking. but drinking will kill you. you will be a slave to it or anybody who will hold you up.

it takes a long time and a lot of hard work and it takes commitment to do it. but that's what we tried to get you to think out of the box here. we have been proposing stuff from cato. this cancer is deadly. so what do we do? okay. you make cuts. okay, besides what i'm saying we need to cut spending. but we also need to cut taxes. i've shown you the economic reality that was put in place in the early '60s, where we tied the world's economies together. we did it to stop world wars and nuclear holocausts. this is announced in carol quigley's book in 1962. this is critical for people to understand. if you are a regular viewer of the show, sorry to repeat this. but you have to pass this on to your friends. mutually assured destruction. what they talked about is the way that we would stop is if russia sent their missiles over to us, we'd launch our missiles, we would destroy each other.

but there was also something else. all of the other countries would pressure, this is all-up stuff, global government. it would -- they would pressure us and the russians and the rest of the world would say no, don't do it. don't go to war. don't go it. don't do it. don't do it. if we did it, they also tied all of our economies together. so everything was tied together. so, if we destroyed each other, it would destroy the whole world economically. they did it for a good reason. to stop world wars and nukes. but what happens if we don't launch the missiles? what happens if let's say our center of economics goes down? and so does spain. so does england. so does france. everyone else, it starts to go down, it's a domino. mutually assured economic

destruction. it is the system. if you understand this, you will understand why i say you can't do this. we must get out of the system. it's design designed to collaps. how do we do it? there is billions of dollars all around the world. billions, trillions. people looking to build, looking to -- they have ideas, they're wealthy. they want to start a business. whatever. where do you go in this system? well, if we're all doing the same things, we're all spending ourselves into oblivion and all playing the same game. no, no, we can prop it up, we can prop it up. we're all going down. somebody has to be left to reboot the system. please, let it be us! we can do it. but we have to take ourselves out of this system. and how do we do it? we dramatically, we did it in 1920. we cut our budget, we cut our

spending. by 50%. and we cut our taxes. make them the most amazing taxes ever. one page, how much did you make? great. subtract 12%. that's it. make it so everybody, all the money from the rest of the world says i'm coming to america. we're known for restarting things. let's be the place that people rush to. it's going to be painful. and just like chemotherapy, it will make us sick for a while. but in the end it's the only way to save the patient. experts say that there is a 10-80-10 category for people. if you are confronted with a crisis, 10% respond the wrong way. they're just like we're going to go -- the people who said -- world trade center. the people who said i'm going

up, going back to sit at my desk and continue work. 10% do the wrong thing. 80% sit at their desk and say well, the speaker didn't tell me. magic speaker, should we evacuate the building? and 10% say bill, a plane just flew into the building. get out! go! go! go! you have to ask yourself: are you -- duhhhh. are you i'm just going to wait around and sit it out. or are you the 10% that leads? you must, that was a leader, that was a leader, that was a leader. all of our founders, they were leaders. they didn't want to. but they did. they didn't want to do these things. they mutually pledged to each other, their lives, fortunes and sacred honors. they all thought they were going to die. many of them did. but they were right, they

were righteous and god-fearing people, charitable people and they were people that told the truth. be the 10%. that tells the truth. that are charitable in their heart. and have faith. that 10% is the 10% that will put america back on the right track. let it be you. we'll show you the last piece of the plan next. @útçñçpqç?p÷

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>> glenn: breaking down the budget, cutting about a quarter of the spending. i think we should do about half. cato institute, momore, my gosh, more liberal than me. [ laughter ] we want to talk a little bit about where the -- i said 10% respond wrong, 80% wait for help and 10% lead. i use analogy of 9/11. where are the stairs? where are the stairs? we think we're going in unchartered territory, but we're not. we did this in 1920. and it's being done all over the world. so let's look at those things. ben sherwood is here, author of "survivor's club," and chris edwards director of the tax policy studies at the cato institute.

and author of "downsizing the federal government." and a great website, i didn't know was yours until earlier in week, downsizi downsizingthegovernment.org. a great websiwebsite. chris, first, start with you. show me the stairs. where are the exits? where are the things that people have already done to where we go oh, okay, we just do that? >> we got examples in our own country and many countries abroad of how the government cut and people have responded positively. look at welfare reform in 1996. before republicans and bill clinton put that into effect, democrats and liberals are saying it's horrible, it will be million of people sleeping on grates. 1996 welfare reform was a huge success. welfare roles went down and i bet if you talk to those folks who moved from welfare to the workforce they're much happier with their lives. look at another example. in new zealand, they

completely abolished their farm sub diddies in the 198 -- sub diddi d disidyiaries 1980. initially, farmers protested the government, but after it was put in place, now they're the most free market in the world. they don't want subsidiaries anymore. they are proud of what they do today. >> glenn: do you know who is beating us in the bread basket? i heard the other day we're no longer the leader in food. you have to be kidding me. how did that happen? >> no. farm subsidiaries, support the agriculture economy and makes farmers worse off. we saw in new zealand when you abolish farm subsidiaries, the farmers went in new crop. kiwi fruit. we see it in grocery stores now. why? new zealand farmers said they needed something new and did kiwi fruit. >> glenn: germany has got out of the post office business. >> absolutely. here you talk about

privatizing the post office. people think you are radical. germany, privatized the post office in 2000. netherlands privatized the post office. the european union is pushing for postal competition across the entire continent by 2013. we are going to be more socialist than europe on post offices. >> glenn: we are looking at france in our rear-view mirror. >> right. >> glenn: we were talking about last night about let's be more like france. okay. in some ways they're ahead of us. >> the british and germans have done a lot of stuff we need to do. >> ben, first, let's start with the normally bias. explain the normally bias. >> people facing a crisis have what psychologists call the normalcy bias. you want things to be normal. when you're on airplane and say the engine catches fire. you look out the window and

you have nothing in your memory to say the engine is on fire so you want everything to be okay. when they've done studies of people with fire drills and crisis, the normalcy bias makes us want to believe that everything will be just fine. >> glenn: everything is okay. >> everything is normal. >> glenn: that explains this. not "newsweek" but they're smarter than this. people want to believe this, that america is back. don't worry about it, the worst is behind us. you want to believe that. because you can't imagine what things are going to be life if it's not. >> a lot of people realize how bad things are. publications like that are saying there are some signs that things are getting better. most americans know, and when you go out there and look at how people are struggling to survive right now, i have been to el centro, california, the unemployment capital of the united states.

people there realize the times are tough. they are struggling to survive and figure out a way to make ends meet. national media tells certain stories but there is a real struggle going on and we know that. >> glenn: maybe you can answer this. how do you get people who are in the 80% wait for help, how many people in crisis -- and i'm getting the wrap sign. after it after the break. how many people, let's use the world trade center, sat at their desk and somebody said, "bill, get up from your desk." how many people say no, no, no it's all going to be fine. what do you do to get them up out of their desk? can you answer that? we'll do it next. ç

i'm patti ann browne. the situation in the skies over europe worsened today. air travel bans have been extend and health officials are warning europeans of the risk of breathing in the ash spewing out of the volcano in iceland. they're recommending staying in doors if the ash starts to settle. black eye for goldman sachs today. the government is accusing the powerful investment bank of defrauding investors on subprime mortgage investments. goldman is denying the allegations. the dow lost 126 points on the news, putting a halt to the rally that sent the market over 11,000 earlier this week. analysts did predict a fall after steady run of gains the past two months.

glenn beck returns in a moment but first bret baier previews "special report". >> bret: coming up, the president says he is amused by the tea parties. reaction to that. a former president weighs in on the tea party movement today. plus, the v.a.t. tax, could it come here and could it work here? join us at the top of the hour for "special report." ♪ ♪ >> glenn: we're back now with ben sherwood and chris edwards. and we're wrapping up our week on trying to train americans to think out of the box. these might not be the answers that we need in the end. but we need to start thinking about what happens if that crazy guy at 5:00 is actually right? what will we do? that is the secret. i learned it from you, ben, when i read "survivor's club." it's the most important thing you can do is think about what if that crazy idea over

there is right, right? >> you got to imagine the impossible. >> glenn: okay. >> in fact, that's what snare rows are all about -- scenarios are all about. the best thing a military can do training a fighter pilot is put them in simulators in which the scenarios are so tough when they come back from a real mission over iraq, when they come back from a real war fighting mission, they say oh, that was nothing compared to the simulator. >> glenn: right. >> that is the key. >> glenn: our grandparents used to say prepare for the worst, hope for the best. if it falls near the worst you're prepared. the 10-80-10, 10% when faced with crisis respond to wrong way. what do you mean by that? >> so the 10-80-10 rule has been studied across all kinds of disasters, going back 100 years. earthquakes, war, terrorism, natural disasters. 10% of us in a crisis, disaster do the wrong thing. we behave in negative,

self-destructive, counterproductive ways. intentionally -- >> glenn: intentionally or not? >> this is what is often known as panic. not a technical term but people panic and behave hysterically and they actually do negative self-destructive things. they were like people in school going "get ahold of yourself, man!" got i. 80? >> that is most of us. 80% become bewildered and fall in a stupor. you did a good imitation in the first block. we freeze. stupor. the technical term is behavioral inaction. you wait for someone in position of authority, the magic speaker, someone to tell you evacuate the building. >> glenn: that is critical. go back to poseidon if this keeps going.

remember gene hackman was like you're all going to die, get on the tree and come up! most people said, "no, he's a crazy man. what do you even know?" it's not just someone to lead. it's someone of a traditional authority. that is why people don't listen to me about the economy. what the hell do i know? i don't have a degree on anything. what do i know? >> interesting thing in disaster, such as a plane crash, they studied this, people wait for flight attendant to come to their rescue and tell them what to drop and where to go. but in fact, 30% of the time flight attendants are incapacitated in the situations. so you are on your own. the key, being in the 80% -- people think i'm in the 80% category, how do you flip the switch to get to the top 10%? the last 10% are the leaders. they're not necessarily people with uniform and not

necessarily the guy with the authority. that 10%, often quiet, often reserved, unexpected leaders are the ones when a crisis happens who respond decisively, purposefully. they know what to do. they have a plan and they take action. >> glenn: how many people in the first 10% influence the 80%? if it was the poseidon adventure, upside down christmas tree and gene hackman is in the top. the last 10%. everybody else dies, suckers. those guys pulled a lot of the people who said don't go. the ones that go wrong are saying no, no, no. don't! wait! stop! wait for somebody for authority.

that is probably a bigger pull, isn't it? >> every situation is different. across all of the different disasters, this is a standard distribution of how people beheav behave. the primary purpose for anybody in a challenge is something could go wrong and what am i going to do so when somebody is shouting at you, don't go that way, go this way, you have already thought about it. you rehearse in your mind what to do so you take action. >> glenn: that's what we try to do with the show. if it happens economically, you have to have a basis on it. how does the last 10% affect the 80%? people say all the time -- i talk to my neighbors and everybody, what do i do? >> i have a slightly different view about this, because it's not actually the

10% in the top who lead the 80% to safety. that is good for movies. in life -- >> glenn: i saw "poseidon adventure" and the remake and it ended the same way both times. >> in real life, the key is to tell the 80% in the middle. that is what the survivor's club is all about. how does everybody learn basics of anticipating the worst? >> how do you do that? >> most people don't want to. >> glenn: they're like that's crazy. don't listen to the other side. they shut up and stay in the middle. >> survival is a mind set and the way of seeing the world. those who watch television news shows or glenn beck or across -- >> glenn: yeah, whatever. >> are information seekers. learning is probably the most important thing to moving from the 80% into the 10% who respond decisively.

so if you are seeking information, you figure out a plan and you have a chance to get over the normalcy bias and do something. >> glenn: i have to take a break and we want to bring in both of you and maybe an ad man to answer the question. but when we come back, i want to ask again, it's the 80% that i'm worried about. if the 80%, if i am someone who says it could happen, it might not but it could. how do i approach 80% when there is no smoke or planes flying in the building. do you have the answer? >> sure do. >> glenn: we come back for that next.

>> glenn: ben sherwood and chrisered wards are back with us now -- chris edwards are back with us. we were talking before the break, 10% are trying to lead, wake up their friends

and neighbor, 80% and say we have trouble, we have to get out of here. how do you wake up the 80%? >> two ways. in california, for 30 years they have been telling us big earthquakes are coming. so what happens? there are two ways that people prepare for earthquakes. one, the ground shakes and they realize a big one is coming and they go and prepare. they get supplies. they develop a plan. the other is the constant reinforcement of messages in school and public awareness campaign. do you have a plan? >> glenn: we have the opposite happening. >> we have known a fiscal earthquake is coming, fiscal catastrophe. members of congress, all of them, know a disaster is coming and -- >> glenn: our media is doing the same thing. everything is going the other direction. >> the curious thing in 1970, britain was in a fiscal disaster as well. margaret thatcher came to power and radically changed

the nation. where is our margaret thatcher is what i'd like to know. >> glenn: when we come back, bring in the ad guy here to help us through some of the ads to counteract this, just in case. right back. they tell me i was there, but i don't remember.

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my big preese of washington, you -- my big piece for washington, you're taking enough money from us. we're struggling. give us a break. >> make a decision and get it done. we're born free and we're taxed to death. >> how large it is and how it does not reflect our capacity to pay for anything anymore. >> they seem out of touch with what the real workers are doing. >> they're corrupt. everything that can pass. doing this favors for this senator and this state. >> the american people, you never get a straight answer. ♪ >> can we afford a 10% cut across the board? sure you could. >> i thought looking at the the biggest areas of spending. >> look at all the people in government that get the best of healthcare and whatnot and all the benefits. how about slashing their pay and benefits first? >> i look at, whatever you put in, i can get something out. if you're not, take it out. >> we have to keep in mind our priorities, what we really need.

the less government, the better. >> the cato budget. >> glenn: we have been telling you all week about the big changes we think, i think that need to happen to keep america from going broke and falling into, you know, a pit of despair. but how do we get the rest of america on board without the emergency? that is the key. frasier seitel author "the practice of public relations." still with us is ben sherwood from "survivor's club," a great book and chris edwards, chris has written "downsizing the federal government." okay. so how do we sell this to the american people? we need something to counteract people denying it in washington. >> you know what it is, glenn, an easy sell. you just sold the people. it's what you talk about and what you said at the top of the show. it's common sense. the government doesn't make any money. the people make the money. the more money i have in my pocket, the more i'll spend. the more jobs will be

created, the economy will flourish. how do we do it? we start to get at the federal -- we start doing what you have been talking about with chris' cato budget all week long. we ratchet down federal spending, that's with a we do. that is the philosophy. >> glenn: how do we get people that are not paying taxes? i saw this, did you see a poll this week, 48% say they pay the right amount of taxes. 49% don't pay any tax. so i mean, you know, how do we get those people to understand no, no, we got to shut this system down and change it dramatically? >> part of it is having a rallying cry. having a slogan, having something that people can grab on to. for example, saving our country starts with saving your money. people can understand that. give back the country to the people who made it. who are the people who made it? entrepreneurs, working people. the people in that tape are the people who made this country.

give it back to them. clinton said, "it's the economy, stupid." no, not anymore. it's my money, stupid. obama's budget cuts don't cut it. in other words, what chris edwards said, the president says $17 billion has to be cut out of federal spending. it is $3.7 trillion budget. one-half of 1%. no. what is needed is what you are talking about, $200, $300, $400 billion. his cuts don't cut it. >> glenn: i saw something that you have been working on. it was a slide, do we have the slide where the kid is bellying up to the school? do we have that? >> yes. >> glenn: explain this. >> here is what we did. based on your whole discussion this week, we did some prototype print ads and we did one commercial. here is a print ad. fighting hunger in america, your school lunch program at work. and there you see rather large children. and the copy says, "obesity is the problem, not malnutrition. no federal subsidiaries for food stamps and school

lunches." that seems rather harsh, but as you talked about this week, it's $100 billion of federal spending on food stamps, which is a notoriously fraud-laden program. >> glenn: right. >> school lunches, which the government, itself, says 27% of the kids who participate shouldn't be participating so there has to be something in that $100 billion that we can ratchet down. that's what you are talking about. >> glenn: okay. now there is another one on defense. do you have that? >> we did another prototype ad on defense and this is what you talked about yesterday. headline says, "preserving democracy for our overseas allies." there we see our good bud, bud, buddy hamid karzai in embrace with the adorable mahmoud ahmadinejad. the copy says, "it's sha share turn to save their country. cut defense spending and bring troops home from iraq and afghanistan." this is what you talked about yesterday. $160 billion, billion with a

"b." $700 billion defense budget. as chris said, there has to be a lot of things in there we can ratchet down. >> glenn: give me the bridge to nowhere ad. >> this is a tv spot, give you a taste for what you could do with the program like what you've talked about this week. [ beeping ] [ key stroking ] >> we need bridges because we need to get from one private area to another private area. >> the government spends $70 billion of your money each year on infrastructure aid for state projects. often resulting in waste, fraud, bureaucracy and bridges to nowhere. wake up, america. >> you remember the bridge to nowhere? we're going the have to i think do a much better job planning how we spend our money. >> it's your money. back the cato budget. >> glenn: okay. here is the thing. you know, the problem is these kinds of ads would be paid for by republican or a

democratic party or something like that. they need to be -- the american people, the american people just need to come together and some of the entrepreneurs need to come together and protect the system that made them wealthy. all right. back in a second. final thoughts. fifty-eight different individuals are using,

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