we had a lovely time. >> good to see you. >> always a pleasure. >> i will see you. >> geraldo: live and at large. hot 52, prohibition 41. with legalized pot ahead and gaining in the latest, california, polls, the beer business is trying to stomp out the competition. as suds fight to keep the largest state from going up in smoke. >> there is a history of alcohol companies putting money against propositions such as ours and frankly it could be that they are concerned for the competition. >> geraldo: the governoriateor takes simple pot possession off the criminal books. >> it has not been a high priority for law enforcement. >> geraldo: in a world exclusive and network first we are live in the heart of

munchieland, america's first cannabis college. also tonight -- as a university mourns a student drive ton jump to his death prominent gay men say blame the shame. >> people call your names and make you feel bad about yourself. offhe end of the day we go and do our own things and you really do control your destiny. >> what the snooping kids did to tyler was awful but was it really hate? >> i would not classify that as a hate crime personally. >> geraldo: tonight, internet peril and how best to punish the peeping perps. >> and advise to wannabe reality stars. >> we are sisters. >> sisters from the same mister. >> she is the sister from the

same mister and he is a brother from another mother. >> don't go on tv bragging about having four wives. tonight the polygamy police probes sister wives. and up front tonight, big labor is on the mall. another day of dueling rallies. but when it comes to stoking voters can the left match the right? >> i do talk about frightening things. but i don't think the man who saw the iceberg as the titanic was about to hit it and said it's an iceberg was a fear monger. he was warning the people on the ship! >> we bailed out the banks. we bailed out the insurance companies. now, it's time to bail out the american people! we need to rebuild the infrastructure and provide jobs and training for american

people. >> geraldo: reverend al again providing the highlight of the liberal demonstration in d.c. welcome to the show, everybody. i'm geraldo rivera. before we get to beck, we begin in d.c. where more than 400 groups ranging from labor unions to environmentalists, from the naacp to gay rights organizations tortio, to churc, yes, to communists as conservatives point out, the left rally today on the same ground glenn beck packed a month ago. by most estimates today's crowd fell well short of matching beck's big august event but it still numbered in the many tens of thousands at least. but more importantly, will today's event help the left overcome appearanc apathy to pe predicted political bloodbath in november's mid term elections? reverended al joins us. he was the highlight of this parade, this march just as he was back in august.

counter to beck's march. what did you think of the turnout today. were you disappointed that it didn't match beck but you had quite a few people on the mall? >> first of all, it was over 400 groups i think with the labor unions and civil rights groups and environmental groups the idea was never to match beck. this was planned well before beck. the idea was to bring together and they did, we all did the most diverse rally of american people that we have seen in recent history. and you saw on that mall today what america really looks like. that was the goal and that was more than achieved. i would dispute the numbers but i don't even want to get into the numbers game. i think the diversity and really showing the breadth and width of how america diversity can come together under a common banner was well demonstrated on the mall. >> geraldo: reverend al, when i

first heard of the parade today, i was looking forward to the jon stewart, stephen colbertally at the end of october. when i heard of this one i said it will be labor unions and people will expect that it will be some of the organized vocal groups. seems to me that many of those groups and why even advertise that the communists were going to be there. it just sounds so harsh and it is not the kind of thing that i think will rally many on the left. i mean you may disagree with me but it doesn't seem to me that is the way to get the vote out. >> again, i don't know how everyone is listed in other rallies. i think that this was to throw a broad net. they listed everyone that responded. none of those -- some of those groups that are questioned are on the program. i think that all of us disagree on certain tactics. i'm sure some disagree with me. the object was that we were being transparent saying that

all groups that were involved were listed -- >> geraldo: what does transparency have to do with it, reverend? it is about politics and getting the vote out. >> if people want to come and organize they can come and organize and we are not going say they are not organizing. clearly if you heard the rally today you didn't hear any of that. >> geraldo: that is my point. that is my point. it wasn't a big part of the rally. why even list it? you know that the conservatives are going to jump all over it and make the left look like they are all a bunch of crazy reds. >> well, again, i think that no matter what happens they are going to try to jump all over something. the fact of the matter is i think the american people saw the rally today and saw these are people that represent workers and represent groups that are real american people from diverse backgrounds that really want to see us continue to go in the road that we are going. and, of course, the right will try to take anything and

magnify it. that will be to their own peril. as long as we are talking about the hot issues of jobs and education and justice let them deal with things that are really just incidental to the real main point that they have not really dealt with these issues and solved these issues when they were the ones in power. >> geraldo: noelle nikpor what do you think of the reverend's explanation and do you think as a practical politician albeit a republican strategist of the strategy down in d.c. today. >> first of all, reverend al i will tell you this is about the numbers. you say it is not about the numbers but it is about the numbers. look, the democratic party as a whole is dwindling down and obama's numbers are shooting video linking and this rally was nothing but an anticapitalism proobama rally. it has nothing to do with anything but that. when the seiu gets up there and explains how corporate taxes

are not good, i mean you have got to realize that this did nothing but create distance and division among people that unless they had a liberal agenda they didn't feel like they were included in this. >> well, i think, first of all, i don't know what rally you saw because clearly -- >> the rally that you were speaking at. >> well, i'm trying to respond. i think no one had an antiany agenda. they had an antiunemployment agenda and antieducation, not being something that all americans can enjoy and i think that it f. this ha if this hady that had protested when this country did bail out the captains of industry and capitalism you could say that. that was not that at all. i think the clip geraldo played was me saying we bailed out them and now let's take care of the workers. how you twist and turn that i think is your view but i don't think that is what happened.

>> that is clearly the problem. bailing out. bailing out. look, this whole country is going to. [ overlapping speakers ] >> the bailouts started under george w. bush by the way. >> if you don't stop having spokes programs that we don't have enough money to pay for. that is exactly what you are promoting. >> first of all, no one asked for social programs today. we asked to provide jobs. >> you said to bail out the people. >> we have already done bailouts. i think mr. bush started. >> geraldo: we can talk about it in the context, a beautiful day in d.c., a beautiful day, a great adventure in new jersey for the approximately 3,000 attending the latest stop in glenn beck's restoring america tour. and while billed as nonpartisan it was clear that tea party conservatives made up most of the crowd and they liked what they heard from some familiar faces. >> why is it that when people get in power they forget about freedom? here is another phrase that everybody knows. did patrick henry say give me safety or give me death?

no! >> he said give me liberty or give me death. when the president says his job is to keep all of us safe. and all presidents say this. they are wrong. their first job is to keep us free. if they keep us safe but unfree they are not doing their job! >> geraldo: judge, my favorite libertarian was on a role but the great adventure crowd was there for glenn beck. >> are we a country that was founded through di divine providence, through god? did god lead columbus here and he went wrong after he found it? did god lead the mayflower here? did he preserve them as they united with the indians, as they were being good as they strove good. was god there at the writing of the declaration of independence

and constitution and did we later go wrong? and i don't mean with barack obama. i mean around 1830. did we go wrong when we started to believe in manifest destiny and we are on a mission from god. no, we are not on a mission from god. >> juliajulian epistein, sounde glenn beck has god on the side of republicans. i don't know how you stand a chance with the divine intervention. the ex-that ordinary fact is 20% jun employment. presidential approve mall at 44% and the right track long track numbers are terrible. for the generic ballot, though, on the gallop poll when you look at democrats and republicans it is even at 46 and 46. astounding it is as close as it is in the congressional elections. you're right, geraldo, this is all about turnout. and what we are seeing right now is the month of october is going to be different than the month of september. why is that? the things that are changing, the important things to watch

for is that the young voters, all the polling is showing that young voters are coming home to democrats. the two demographics. >> geraldo: but they got to get off their tails and go vote. >> no, no, no, no. the polling is showing that the young voter. all the polling models showing the republicans ahead are based on turnout. >> geraldo: quick, noelle and then i have to -- >> julian, you are wrong. the young voters are not going to turn out for obama like they did in '08. you are wrong on that. >> projections showing they don't like the independents as well. >> geraldo: later in the show we take you live, ladies and gentlemen, do you have a shot of that? to the heart of california's great pot debate on proposition 19 which proponents point is more popular than any candidate in either party. watch what you touch there, craig. >> and the race between meg whitman and jerry brown neck and neck. the television debate broadcast in spanished focused as we knew

it would on this week's allegations whitman knew or should have known her own house keeper was here illegally. >> jerry brown's record on the k-12 education system is a business. he ran for mayor of oakland 80s education may i don't re

>> geraldo: back live. meg whitman spent more than any candidate in history in her efforts to become california's next governor. you never know what issue will stick. especially in a state where almost 25% of voters are latino and a debate broadcast simultaneously in spanish with the hiring and firing of the undocumented house keeper of meg whitman and the subsequent finger pointing is all probably any one will remember who watched the debate. listen. >> but you know what the real tragedy here is nicki.

after november 2 no one is going to be watching out for nicki diaz and jerry you should be ashamed. you put her deportation at risk and put her out there and you should be ashamed for sacrificing nicki diaz on the altar of your political ambitions. >> you are the one who falsely defamed this woman by saying she stole your mail. it came out this is not true and you had information or at least enough to know there was something wrong here. don't run for governor if you can't stand up on your own two feet and say i made a mistake, i'm sorry, let's go on from here. you blamed her and blamed me and blamed the left and blamed the unions but don't take accountable. >> geraldo: she was spending money trying to get the latino vote. >> she is so weak? you are saying that. >> he is so weak. >> who is it he or she? >> he is so weak.

let me tell you why. $119 million is what meg whitman put in her campaign. think about this. we are in a recession money is hard to come by. why would meg whitman put $119 million into her campaign. >> she wants to win. >> if she knew she hired an illegal immigrant for a house keeper. she did not know, that is the whole point. >> geraldo: reverent al, it seems to me that most people that have a secret whether they know it or not i'm not sure that she -- i mean i'm going let the jury judge that one. but still, you know, this was a bad day for meg whitman it seems to me. >> i think it was a bad day and i think that people do think not knowing whether or not there are things that are going to come out because they spend money who knows. we'll see and let the people decide. i think, geraldo, as we watched the whitman race in california and watch the other races let's remember hell of a competitor wwhen we keep talking about the numbers not coming out we have seen primaries so far this

year. we don't know who is coming out in november. the voter turnout that will go and try to answer the tea party and answer all the fervor has not been tested. you have seen internal republicans against the departy. you don't know what the democrats and independent turnout will be and where they will go in november. i remember in '94 when we saw the mid term on bill clinton you did not have rallies like you did today where people started energizing and mobilizing on the other side. they are look at primary fights. they have not seen a fight between those -- >> geraldo: let noelle respond and then julia. >> california is in desperate trouble. jerry brown, been there done that. meg whitman is the person that i think has a shot of running this country -- i mean running the state to get it back where it needs to be. california had too many social programs and not enough money to pay for them and they need

help and this is what this issue is about and i think that jerry brown with 30 million that he happened to raise is desperate. he got gloria allred to put the house keeper up. >> geraldo: you don't know that. >> she reached out to gloria for publicity. >> geraldo: julian, briefly, go. >> i don't know how many campaigns nicole has done but she cannot win in california if she doesn't get 35% of the vote. >> look at her numbers. >> please stop interrupting people. >> she cannot win without 35% of the hispanic vote. she is at 31 right now and going down. nobody believes that she did know about the undocumented house keeper. everybody thinks that she shamelessly threw her under the bus. nobody thinks her story holds water. >> geraldo: i don't know about that. i don't know about that. i think if you like her maybe you believe or her or if you don't like her or you are on the fence as most latino voters are you may tend to not give her the benefit of the doubt. >> absolutely.

>> geraldo: i think it was a bad day for the republican candidate. but that is just my view on it. stick around. going to stick around? anyway, we will talk more and come back live inside the heart of the movement to legalize marijuana in california and beyond. these are live shots and as a campus mourns a suicide is what happened to tyler a hate crime? plus, bragging about polyf@@

>> geraldo: all right, that is the star of the huge hit on tlc, just hours, though, after sister wives premiered last sunday, local cops announced their probe of that fellow, 41-year-old cody brown who

bragged about his four fives and 13 children and three step children. they are probing him to determine whether this renegade mormon family is breaking the law against multiple marriage which flora jessup knows something about. having been raised in a family with two moms and 27 siblings. didn't he know, reality shows take so long to get launched, didn't he know that he would be investigated? was he so arrogant that he thought he would throw it in the face of the utah authorities? >> absolutely. this was -- this was actually set up by the larger polygamist community. there was a conference in -- >> geraldo: what community is that? >> in the polygamist culture. >> geraldo: oh, okay. >> the larger polygamist community and the attorney general of utah had held a conference in utah called discussingelony discussing what it would take to decriminalize polygamy and a risk assessment was done on the families to decide which was

the best family to move forward with this project. >> geraldo: no way. it was all premeditated. setting themselves up for a police probe with the most attractive potential defendants, is that what you are saying? >> absolutely. there was an interview done with kristine brown by one of the networks in utah at it and they asked if you would be willing to be prosecuted and she went bring it on. this was a year ago. >> geraldo: all right. well, hold on there, flora. kimberly guilfoyle our colleague and cohort, former prosecutor joins us along with jennifer smiters, criminal defense attorney. seems they were setting themselves up knowingly, willingly and willfully you might say to be prosecuted. there is no defense. >> talk about testing the waters. they are playing with fire and they might get burned but i don't think they will get burned that bad. >> geraldo: a lot of metaphors

there. >> bottom line is they knew what they were walking into. they were testing the waters. utah does not prosecute this type of crime. they are saying this is our family based on our religion and this is our lifestyle that we are choosing and right now in this day and age a lot of marriages are being questioned as to what is marriage. this man says marriage is between me and my three wives. >> he is definitely controversial and renegade. they are inviting an inquisition and probe into their lifestyle and what is going on behind closed doors. >> geraldo: but it is illegal to have more than one life. >> and it should be investigated and they are so flagrantly throwing it in everybody's face. you think the prosecutor's office likes that? >> he only has one legal wife. the other women are his wives in his religion. let's be clear. he has one legal life. >> they are concubines. they are not wives, they are

concubines. let's take that on for a minute and look at the ten shaltdments where thou shiite not commit adultery. >> these women look like atout women. >> geraldo: i don't hear any rage from your kimberly. >> i think that they should be investigate million this case. i don't think that it is okay. i don't like that it is thrown in everybody's place. >> geraldo: marry them in secret. >> see how it ends up in t

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pakistani troops last thursday. i'm lauren greene. now, back to "geraldo at large." >> prohibition didn't work. you sell a more dangerous drug in bars. >> i picked up marijuana and never looked back until it was too late. >> it is bad for california and it will wreak havoc if it is passed. >> geraldo: for as long as i remember propot con spear arecy theorists have suspected that the big bucks behind laws criminalizing marijuana use came from the booze business, their natural competition. in recent days that paranoia has been found to be justified as reports surfaced that the california beer and beverages distributeors is contributing to the hot campaign opposing

california's proposition 19 to legalize pot use. a live shot now. before we go back live to the cannabis college, here is craig. geraldo, california is just a month away from a historic vote on the legalization of the growth and sale of marijuana and the beer distributeors are the latest to come out in opposition of the proposition, which is proposition 19. you are spokesperson for prop 19. what do you think of that? >> more surpriseing that public safety first and the law enforcement officers and folks most concerned about public safety would actually get into bed with the very folks that they rail against as being one of the greatest public safety menaces. >> you are under arrest for driving under the influence of alcohol. >> pot advocates argue violence, death and disease that booze inflicts costs

$200 billion a year nationally including alcohol's direct involvement in up to 30% of violent crime each year. marijuana use has none of those associations. >> we are suggesting that we regulate cannabis similar to beer, wine, liquor. >> the tax income from medical marijuana $100 million last year. why not tax a benign drug say advocates. >> you don't see illegal grape growing cartels in the national forests wielding guns and we are suggesting that we take cannabis out of the hands of criminals and put it into the hands of the lawmakers and regulateors. >> drug dealers killing each other because people made a lot of money selling marijuana. >> the pleasant hill police chief spokesperson pore the california police chief association and former oakland assistant chief. >> if i thought there was some way to decrease the violence on our streets i would be in favor of that kind of thing. >> could attitudes change in the battle for the bong?

just yesterday in an effort to come into california's $19 billion deficit, governor arnold schwarzenegger an opponent of prop 19 made it an in fraction to possess less than an ounce of weed in an attempt to decrease court costs for prosecution. >> it has not been a high priority for law enforcement. >> what would your attitude be if prop 19 passes? the polls have it going a hit. >> if it does pass we will have to deal with it. i'm sure people would see money as being a helping hand with all the problems that we are having now. from a public safety standpoint it is not a good thing. >> not a good thing but craig where you are standing it looks like it is already legal. that is a supply for the medical marijuana industry. it will be the center of the commercial heart of california's legalized pot business if it does in fact plop 19 does pass. but tell us, show us around and give us a show and tell there live for the first time ever. >> we are in the horticultural lab and this is where the the

medical marijuana students actually come in to learn how to grow pot. but i wanted to bring you in here to show you an example of how much pot you would be able to grow legally under proposition 19 if it were passed. this is a 5 by 5-foot plot that is 25 square feet of marijuana and you would be able to grow that for personal consumption. now, you can't sell it. it is illegal to sell. but that is a personal consumption and you would be able to walk around i suppose with about an ounce of pot on you. but in terms of selling it, that is a whole different scene. you are saying that under this would be similar to prohibition if it is legalize the, correct? >> indeed. and we recognize that prohibition has failed since through prop 19 we can take cannabis out of the hands of criminal and take control and put it into a regulated market. >> so the laws will change

completely. now, what about the cops that say there are hundreds of counties in california, how are you going to control this? >> frankly, our officers are already well trained to recognize, say, somebody on the road under the influence and frankly we have many patch works for enforcement including things like concealed weapons permits. >> craig, wait a second. wait a second, craig. hold it. you said a 5 by 5, 25 square feet per person. what if you have five people living in the house. that five times 25? is that 25 square feet then? >> i'll let dale sky jones the executive chancellor answer that question. >> hi, geraldo, as a matter of fact, the five by five square plot is per household so even if you have five adults, correct. >> geraldo: i got you. >> you want to make sure that anything larger in that is in a commercial area or permitted by the local city, county or

state. >> geraldo: and oakland has said they want to be the national hub of this burr goning business. let me broaden the debate and bring in jim grey, former california superior court judge. he is in l.a. tonight and from sacramento the state capital, roger salazar, spokesman for no on prop 19. roger, from i may call you that, you must be freaked out looking inside oaksterdam. the government of christmas future, isn't it? >> for the folks that are no on proposition 19. we are not against legalization in general. we are against this particular initiative because it doesn't do all the things that people say it does. it doesn't control. it doesn't regulate and tax marijuana in the way that proponents claim. i think bahar we will have is a free for all -- i think what we will have is a free for all. really the only things legal is

the possession and use and transportation and growing and cullty expectations. the sales, each county has to come up with their own plan. this is not regulated like alcohol where you have a statewide system. >> geraldo: judge, you know, they don't as far as i know, call for, you know, urine testing for drivers who are driving swerving down the road, do they, judge? >> well, i'm not sure where that came from, geraldo. but i have been a trial court judge for 25 years here in orange county. >> geraldo: where it came from is you can test someone for alcohol but you can't test them for pot, say the critics. is that true? >> that is an inherent problem. although, fortunately science is developing a new test. you can take a swab on the inside of your mouth and determine if you smoked marijuana in the last four hours and that is a good thing. one way or another that is really irrelevant to prop 19. that is the case whether prop 19 passes or not.

california now has the largest cash crop is marijuana. it is easier for young people to get marijuana today than it is the alcohol. and we have and i have seen this in juvenile court all the time where we have young people selling marijuana to each other on their high school campuses. i assure are you they are not selling jim beam bourbon so that is the problem and we need to solve that. >> geraldo: do you say -- >> hang on a second because they are not selling wine either because that is regulated and controlled. we can get the drug cartels out of this and we could also get young people out of it as well. >> geraldo: in booze is far worse than marijuana. >> i agree. >> going back to craig and sky. how are we going to collect the taxes if there is no provision in prop 19 to tax the crop and what about dui and other things of righteous community concern? >> well, first i will approach the driving while under the influence. in fact our officers are very

well trained as it toss recognize people that should not be on the roads. similar to someone that has taken too much ambien. we have experts already that can recognize someone that should be taken off the road and that will continue to be illegal. prop 19 will allow local cities and counties or in fact the legislature to enact, control taxation and regulation down to where the facilities can exist, hours of operation, permitting and zoning. in fact, the legislature already acted. there is a special already on the plate should prop 19 pass to take the necessary steps. >> kimberly, respond to this. >> i know all that she is talking about personally having been in san francisco and worked at the d.a.'s office. >> do they smoke pot? >> i know the answer to that, too, but i won't answer it. i think this is not as well conceived as they are laying out. frought with fruit with problems.

much like the healthcare law the hearts are in the right place trying to do the right thing but this is not going to work out. >> you have a situation here where prop 19 is leading now 52-41. that is judge grey, roger what are you going to do if it passes? try and stop it with lawsuits? >> well, no, i think what we are going to do is try to make sure that people understand this is not the thing that they to be voting for. this is a ballot initiative so needs to get 50%. if we can get people to understand as we have been doing up and down the the state that the initiative is so full of loopholes and errors it will create chaos, i think people will understand this is not the right way to go for it. again, we are not against, you know, the legalization if general. we are against this specific initiative with all the loopholes it has in it. >> geraldo: judge, wouldn't you have preferred a more thought out bill that included a tax provision and included the ability of local authorities at traffic stops to test for pot?

>> geraldo, this initiative is pretty good. you know, it allows each city to decide whether they want to opt-in and they can tax it, you know. it allows each city to come up with a program that will work and they will learn from each other. so that is a good thing. now, the opponents are really trying to pick anybody can pick apart something on the fringe but the people that are. >> geraldo: i'm thinking. [ overlapping speakers ] >> the. >> geraldo: thinking about it, prohibition of alcohol was ended on a county by county basis just like this proposition proposes for marijuana. >> sure, that's right. >> geraldo: just reflecting back on history. sky, how big will your production get if this thing goes through? >> well, we simply educate folks here at oakster dam university but teach them the politics and legal and civics issues to work with the local governments to start having model regulations. >> geraldo: i had civics in

school and it never looked like what is behind you. i want to thank judge grey and roger salazar. craig, don't put any gappers tape on your shoes. >> driving from one city to the next and you can't say if you are pulled over. >> geraldo: 52% of californians are in favor of this thing passing. that is whack to me. that is really wham. >> geraldo: many coming up, the awful case of the kid committing suicide after a committing suicide after a roommate broadcastú7@oúoroenro5

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a candy necklace for forty cents, i got one of these [pop] a stamp helium fabric softener [pop] lipstick two pills a day is what it takes to stay alive if you're hiv positive. those pills cost about forty cents a day. >> geraldo: back live. at its home coming game rutgers university paid tribute to the 18-year-old freshman that took his own life after his roommate and another student used a web cam to broadcast live internet images of the kid having sex with another man. promising violinist, tyler took his own life three days later

by jumping off the george, washington bridge. he jumped right in front of my home. now, his roommate and fellow rutgers freshman both also just 18 that is part of the tragedy here are charged with invasion of privacy which in new jersey is punishable by five years in prison for each count. if they are charged with a hate crime that potential penalty would double to ten years. while some gay rights groups are urging that enhancement, celebrity blogger perez hilton is not. give us your response to what happened to tyler here in new jersey. >> what happened at rutgers is devastating but what is even disturbing to me is the fact that this week alone there have been four deaths of teenaged boys who have taken their own lis because of gay pulleying and being with perceived as

gay. i hope that everyone from the the president to schools to parents do their part. specifically with the incident in new jersey i would not classify that as a hate crime personally because i think if that one student who was operating the web cam illegally would have had the opportunity to spy on a female classmate or a female roommate i'm pretty sure he would have done that as well. unfortunately, this incident resulted in a death and, you know, criminal activity happened and i definitely believe that he should be prosecuted for that. >> geraldo: but not as a hate crime, be very clear about that. >> i don't believe it should be treated as a hate crime, no. >> geraldo: i agree with that. okay, now, get to the larger issue. what is it? why after all these years and

particularly, you know, in a situation where rutgers university is to open minded, they could careles less, these kids, who is gay and who a straight and who is bi and the rest of it, why have we not evolved enough that people field comfortable enough to admit to their mom and dad at the age of 18 that listen there is something i neglected to tell you rather than jump off the george, washington bridge? >> yeah, you know, geraldo, suicide is a problem for all young people. it is not a gay issue, it is not a straight issue. it is a problem for young people and people of all ages. however, statistically, gay, lesbian and transgender youth have a far higher suicide rate than their peers. so young kids still don't feel that it is okay to be gay. >> geraldo: the internet perez, seems a double edged sword. on the the one hand, a kid like

tyler can reach out and find solace in people who can give him advice in a nonjudgmental way. on the other hand, the internet is why his sex act was broadcast live. what is your cautionary tale about the internet in which you thrive? >> i think that the internet is only a good thing or mostly a good thing because i know that when i was younger i used it to talk to other people to not feel so lonely and i think when you are young and gay especially and feel so isolated and nobody understands what you are going through that talking to someone is a huge thing. so if anybody watching right now they are being bullied at school and going through a difficult time and they don't feel comfortable talking to their parents and don't feel comfortable talking to an administrateor, i encourage them to reach out. >> geraldo: perez hilton,

celebrity blogger, good pal of the show. nice seeing you again. >> you, too, geraldo.

>> geraldo: back live. another outrageous case of bullying. more than 100 peopl 500 peopleg a memorial service for a central california student who hanged himself after being taunted about being gay. he was 13 years old. just happening right now. the service today. remembered as a warm hearted youngster who loved to laugh. he died nine days after being found unconscious in his backyard after he hung himself. 13 years old. just horrible. >> joining us, jay manuel america's next top model judge

and donna wright hughes president of enough is enough. welcome everybody. so, these kids didn't obviously expect tyler to jump off the bridge. do you treat them as harshly as the law allows or cut them slack or make an example of the cyber bullies? >> is this to me, geraldo? >> geraldo: yes, donna. >> i always hate to see any one being made an example of. i think it is important that we realize that cyber bullying is an epidemic. 43% of kids reported being cyber bullied and in the cases of gay young people it is about 9 out of 10. and so you're right, i don't think the intention was -- there were unintended consequences basically. but thud shelters be prosecuted -- but should they be prosecuted. yes, they should be. this is a sad case and i call it cyber bullying on steroids

because of the invasion of privacy aspect of the particular story with tyler. >> do you agree with perez hilton they would have peeked on anybody? >> i'm not an attorney to i can't speak to whether this is a hate crime. i'm really upset because i think it is more than invasion of privacy. i think it is one thing jut looking at the video from another room and a couple of people down the hall. the fact that they broadcast this over the internet to me meant that they wanted to embarrass him and victimize him and as a result i think they should take some kind of accountability there. and i'm very upset about it. it really disturbed me because i think, you know, these kids today are using the internet to gain their 15 minutes of fame so i think that this one gentleman was looking at his roommate saying hey, well, i'm going to make fun of my roommate and be the guy who is now the star because i broadcast this news and i think it is really unfair and unfortunate.

>> i totally agree the case should be prosecuted. >> geraldo: it will be prosecuted. you don't want to hang these kids is the question. >> no one is talking about hanging. >> geraldo: ten years is hanging. >> rises to a level of a hate crime as a prosecutor who handled hate crime cases this isn't going to rise to that level. they will not be able to bring those charges. outrage. we also have to remain calm and follow the law and say what does it allow. here invasion of privacy. they may get some time. they will not get five years even. >> geraldo: why not plead them guilty? >> i think we need to hear what was in the minds of these young adults. what we will find is shocking is that the kids and young adults do not have boundaries when it comes to social media and that is the big picture here? >> geraldo: and no one is immune, donna? >> no one is immune and i think that this tragedy teachable moment is that parents especially need to recognize this is a big problem and their kids right now, might be being

cyber bullied. it might not end up in a suicide but doesn't mean that they are not being harmed and damaged in scarring ways that can impact them for the rest of their lives. >> geraldo: one of the things that we are not focusing on because we don't know what tyler clemente's life was at home and his relationship with his teachers. >> geraldo: and his parents. >> and if he knew there was an opportunity to reach out to the trevoror project.org. >> geraldo: he did reach out to kids on the internet. that that is why it freaked me out about why he still killed himself.ñ÷