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ben stein is also going to join us tonight. [ applause ] plus, george parna on what all the political polls really mean. drilling has broken through to the 33 chilean miners trapped underground since august. they created a shaft wide enough to send a capsule down to pull miners out one-by-one. you have seen the pictures who made the best of a difficult situation since august 6. the gold and copper mine they were working in collapsed. since then, they lived together a half mile underground, unbarely hot and humid. unable to kiss their loved ones. next, they haven't seen daylight since then. steve harrigan is at the san jose mine now. steve, first of all, how are they going to determine which miner gets to come up first? >> reporter: governor, likely the first thing that will happen is someone will go in

the mine. likely a navy paramedic to go down and check out conditions of the miners. among the first few miners to come up are those with the severe health problems. one minor is a diabetic, one with high blood pressure. another is 63 years old. if very first miner to come up is likely someone fit and strong in case there are complicated on the way up, anything unforeseen. he has to be a tough guy if there is trouble. the bigger question if it takes one hour to take out all 33 miners, this could be a two-day operation. originally, the miners were supposed to be taken immediately to the hospital, and now the miners are saying no. they could be waiting outside the mine entrance until everyone goes to the hospital. >> mike: that is a remarkable story. these guys have had a unique bond they formed over the course of two months. we've seen pictures of the

miners' families celebrating. i know you talk to an american working on the drill crew. that team has to feel sense of accomplishment right now. >> reporter: great sense of accomplishment and a sense of relief. some of the americans who have been on the drill team said it's like nothing they've done before. the complexity of it, technically was tough. but also, this time, they couldn't take the usual measures they could. using explosives for example. they had to be careful because they weren't after the precious metals. they were trying to save the human lives. for some of the miners, they say the stress of the operation has been worse than anything they ever felt. >> mike: how have they been handling the situation just in terms of dealing with the fact they didn't know if they were going to come out of the mine alive or not? >> reporter: it has to seem like the first days were the toughest. first two weeks underground

sharing a couple of conditions of fish. one bite a day, when the whole world thinks you're dead. then suddenly to be discovered by the drill bit, hearing the drill bit. now the escape shaft breaking through. you have to figure they've gone through an incredible range of eemotions, from highs to low. one thing is constant. they have stuck together. when they had no one. before they had satellite tv down there, before they had birthday cakes and the video chats with their families. they stuck together then and they're sticking together now. >> mike: what space are they dealing with? we know it's dark and they don't have much down there. >> reporter: there is room to move about. studio size apartment where most spend time. there are heroic stories.

one of the miners is running five miles a day plus in the cavern to stay in shape upon the return. there are problems, too. there are reports of real skin damage. dental trouble as well from being underground. you can imagine a half-mile underground for more than 60 days now. think of the changes they'll go through. to be underground, quiet and then suddenly in the desert sun and exposed to the world media and the family as well. it will be a dramatic transition as you can imagine. >> mike: when they come out of the mine and they see the cameras and the flashbulbs coming out and see you out, there they may want to go back down. i'm just telling you. thank you for joining us. what a great story.

>> thank you. thank you, governor. ♪ >> mike: well, last week you remember i told you about the voter uprising in america. it's not altogether a reflection of the democrats. it's not the pouring on of the love for republicans. people who work hard in this country and aren't getting ahead but slipping behind are a little steamed that their government takes money from the already shrinking paychecks. then spends it as if it all belongs to them. i called them the clepticrats last week, take from the taxpayer and give it to special interest to buy up political points and votes. before the cleptocrats kill the country and give us a cleptocracy, the tea party and other independent voters are saying that's enough. one of the more ridiculous rants about the tea party movement is it's all about the people who are rich, recenting having to pay taxes or the

poor who are angry about rich people having more stuff. nonsense! look, i didn't grow up with much. but i never resented that some people had new cars or air conditioned homes or took vacations. that gave me something to shoot for, something to dream for. i resent paying taxes to pemmize me for being responsible. godfried said i'm proud to be taxpaying american but i could be just as proud for half the money. i agree. what steams me is when congress take what is we work hard to earn and they squander it on spending sprees. i want to show you with a your tax dollars are paying for. $107,000 to study the sex life of the japanese quail. $1.2 million to study breeding

habit of the woodchuck. $150,000 of your money to study the feud between the hatfields and mccoys. heck, just write them all a check and probably pay them off and make them happy for that kind of money. $19 million to examine gas emissions from cow flatulence. i'm not making this up. $219,000 to teach college students how to watch television. $1 million to preserve a sewer in trenton new jersey as a historic monument. now that, my friends, is cleptocracy in action. the good news is the spending disease of cleptocrats is curable. if your member of congress voted for the porkulous spending bills and the bust-budgeting obama care and earmarks like i described then vote for someone else. send that member of congress home. he's still going to retire with a very nice pension that you are going to have to fund.

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>> mike: joining me now is conservative commentator ann coulter. [ applause ] >> thank you. >> mike: this is an article -- you knew i was going to do this. >> this was not our topic, governor. >> mike: it will be. this is something you recently wrote and this is from let's see, here it comes. all liberals are atheists. there is only one true christian liberal in the country and that's mike huckabee. help me understand -- >> you my this stuff! >> i am not prepared for this. i did say it and i will defend it. it was not meant as an insult to you; it was meant as insult to the alleged christian

advisors of president bam become and jim willis type. they're such fake phony frauds you cannot be a liberal and a christian. and those in particular, for example, their idea of charity, they claim that no, liberals, we're true christians we want to raise the taxeses and give it to the poor. they are not spending their own money on charity. what they want to do is go about bragging how they will redistribute income from one group to another. moreover, any alleged christian with the ear of president obama, the most pro-abortion president even more than bill clinton, and does not spend every second of that meeting talking about the 40 million babies who have been killed, do not tell me you are a christian. i started thinking what if you are a genuine christian but had liberal views on things not directly christian. what would it look like? i thought of you. you are a fine fellow. but -- >> mike: me?

>> a good christian. you do have some crazy liberal views. >> mike: such as? >> i did not prepare for this but i remember when you were running for president, i'm enough more critical of people running for president. that's a big job. you were very soft on illegal immigration. >> mike: i didn't believe and i still don't believe in amnesty for illegal immigrants. itch don't know how it -- i don't know how it's soft. i was endorsed by found over the minute men. >> i never like appeals to authority. unless there's one authority. i'll take an appeal to. you compared illegal immigration to slavery. speaking as an african-american, i am very offended by that. okay, i'm not really an african-american but i am offended. everybody wants to be black in this country. a point i made in great detail in my last book. they want to claimantalhood or victimhood. unless you were brought here in chains, discriminated

against legally for 100 years, sorry, you're not black. do not compare illegal immigrants -- >> mike: that doesn't answer how i'm a liberal. >> i think it does. comparing illegal immigration -- >> mike: my primary thing on illegals you don't punish children of the illegal because their parts did something. and the kids were three years old. >> this is exactly what i mean. this is a liberal christian. that is what the liberals said 30 years ago saying we have to start subsidizing illegitimacy. this poor woman had a child out of wedlock. why do we punish the child? she had a child out of wedlock. what happens is we subsidize legitimacy. then the illegitimacy rate is 50%. the second worse thing done to blacks and it was done by liberals. >> mike: nobody has been more adamant about the fact that government shouldn't spend money that isn't theirs and i was against the tarp bill and a lot of republicans were wringing their hands and

saying they were for it. i said they were wrong. it's not a responsibility of government. i was against stimulus and obama care. >> you have many excellent positions which is why you are a christian liberal. the not punishing the children of illegal aliens makes the point beautifully. your heart is in the right place, you're a christian but you don't see if you subsidize something you get more of it. we subsidize ill legitimatesy for years. the christian heart says don't punish the child but economically it's more of them. >> mike: you're wrong. my economic heart tells me that if you have a kid that is a valedictorian like a kid in my state was and his parents were illegal and he's valedictorian, would it be better for him to go to clem and be a doctor and pay taxes or better to have him pick tomatoes and never be a productive citizen? the economy is better when that kid is able to fully realize his potential and

break the pattern of his parents' illegal activity. >> you come up with that one anecdote and i'll come up with a million mexicans in mexico thinking if we request run across the board and get our kids to do well in school we'll get citizenship. bad incentive. >> mike: going to point i made repeatedly. we have to seal the border. nothing else matters until that. the fact is we didn't seal the border. the fact is a person you and i both admire ronald reagan gave blanket amnesty -- >> it was a big mistake. >> mike: it was a big mistake. >> led to much more illegal immigration. until the border is sealed with a 200-foot wall surrounded by a mote full of crocodiles then i will talk about giving citizenship to the children of illegal aliens. >> mike: my problem is sometimes you have characterized me as a liberal. i want to also bring up -- >> christian liberal. >> mike: christian liberal. >> quite different. >> mike: not really. >> yes, it does. >> mike: no. >> at least admit to me that i

am right that all of the phony christians advising president obama are tote take phony frauds. >> mike: i'm never going to judge somebody's faith. they may be genuine christians and they may be misguided in how they apply christianity to government. >> no, i'll give you another one -- >> mike: let me finish. if i give money out of my pocket, that's charity. >> correct. >> mike: if i take money out of your pocket that's thievery. >> correct. >> mike: i get that. >> those are the liberal christians. and i'll throw in one allegedly on our side that is richard wan. big baptist minister. quoted in the "new york times," saying he is all for, you know, a path to citizenship for illegal aliens which we have. it's called legal immigration. saying that he takes that from the bible, saying you should treat the danger as yourself. on that theory, he doesn't believe in marriage. welcome to richard lam's house and have sex with his wife.

you should treat a danger as yourself. absurd to take that provision from the bible and say we need open borders or amnesty for people who broke the law to come here. >> mike: let me ask you. you talk about -- i appreciate you're pro-life. you have been consistent on that, except one thing. in the campaign you called me a liberal, yet you supported mitt romney whose healthcare bill is the blueprint of obama care and provides for abortions for $50. is that conservative? >> technically i supported duncan hunter until it basically came down to mccain -- >> mike: i'm such a liberal, duncan hunter supported me after he dropped out of the race. >> i told you. appeals to authority do not impress me. >> mike: face it. >> i'll make up my mind. >> mike: you can call me a liberal, but in my heart i know that you will find -- >> i call you christian liberal. >> mike: you got it half right. >> romney -- the last three. mccain, romney and you. romney was -- i don't want to

bother to defend him now because my candidate for 20192 is chris christie. pro-life. >> mike: he is a great guy. but i'm sure before it's over you will call him a liberal christian or something else, too. i will never satisfy you. but i give up. i give up. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> mike: it's always fun. bantering and having fun with you. for years, our next guest used to lean to the right. she made a start turn to the left. maybe she is veering back to the middle. we'll ask adrianna huffington when we come back. [ male announcer ] an everyday moment can turn romantic anytime. and when it does, men with erectile dyunction can be more confident in their ability to be ready with cialis for daily us cialis for daily use is a clinically proven low-dose tablet you take everday, so you can be ready anytime the moment's right. ♪ tell your doctor about your medical condition

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>> mike: she says the american dream is becoming a nightmare and the great country is in danger of becoming a third world america.

welcome to the book of "third world america" adrianna huffington. good to have you with us today. you talk about in the book disappearing middle class. that we are losing the middle class in america. it's been the strength of the country. why are we losing the middle class? >> we are losing the middle class because for years now we have allowed special interest to buy public policy. we have allowed mortgage companies and credit card companies to hide tricks and traps in the contract. >> mike: unions, have they been a part of this? >> we have allowed basically the absence of social responsibility. there is no question that many people bought in the idea that a shortcut to the american dream. no proof of income, shortcut. that's not going to happen. i immigrated to this country. [ inaudible ] for real. my ex-husband says he divorced

me because i never listened. that's why he is my ex-husband. i live the american dream. i remember growing up in athens and walking to school every day --[ inaudible ] who had given europe the plan. that is another sign of a generous, magnificent nation. i see friends of mine who graduated from college and can't find a job. people in their 40s and 50s losing their job and can't find another one. mobility was at the heart of the american dream. now have the downward mobility. you know there are 100 million people who are worse off than their parents were at a similar age. two-third of the country believe that the kids will not do as well as they are doing. we went from a country that made things to a country that made things up. you know, cbo, credit default

swap. toxic deliverables. we the taxpayer bailed them out. that's where we agree. >> mike: we do. one of the things i found refreshing in your book draws upon many of the things i've been saying for quite some time. we are eroding the sense of the american dream. we're killing the idea that a person can reach for something. you lived it, i lived it. how much of this is because of the government has tried to interfere too much and manipulate the economy rather than to allow the marketplace to truly give people the opportunity to create and innovate? >> listen, the private enterprise is the best in the world. i started economics at cambridge. but the foundation has to be a moral foundation. it's no longer a moral enterprise in many.

short-term profit and greed driving business decisions. it didn't work for leeman brothers. they went down there and we need to recover that moral foundation of capitalism. >> mike: that is not a government program. >> we need government to make sure that there is enough regulation not to allow what happened to happen. not to allow b.p. to do what it did with the worst environmental disaster and destroy the lives of so many people. not to allow the mining industry, to allow people to go down the mines without the proper safety regulations. if they did that without government we wouldn't need government. but so often the drive for the short-term profit make it impossible. >> mike: we agree on the big problem. we may not completely come to terms on how does government fix it. i totally agree ariana that the government should play a role. when i watch say barney frank and maxine waters say there is

no problem with fannie mae and freddie mac, they're just fine. they weren't fine. they were killing the housing industry. that was government failing to regulate and failing to do the one job it had to referee the game. >> together fannie and freddie had two agencies regulating it. so the problem there was not absense of a relationship. it's the regulators were not even doing their job. if we look at the needs in the country, i have a section on the infrastructure. you can't fix the infrastructure of this country without government programs. a lot of the pipes that the water come from date back to the civil war. a lot of the infrastructure dates back to f.d.r. and the new deal. we saw what happened in bruno, california. do we want to be at the mercy of exploding pipes? that's where we need a real big government infrastructure project. the way f.d.r. did, to make a

safe. that's about our safety and our children go to school on bridges and not going to collapse. with pipes that are not going to explode. >> mike: you're quite right about the infrastructure. we have allowed it to deteriorate. we're losing physical and fiscal capital and social capital, because of the clogged arteries of highways and airports and i completely agree. as long as it's done with integrity. we'll bring you back later in the show. i appreciate the perspective. the book is "third world america." i know you will find it a fascinating book. thank you. [ applause ] >> mike: coming up, another guest who thinks that the middle class is being eliminated but the reasoning is a little different. stein will explain why. that's next. ♪ one, two, three, four ♪ ♪ you say ♪ flip it over and replay ♪ we'll make everything okay

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>> mike: sign up for my podcast of the "huckabee report" heard on 600 of america's finest radio stations. three times a day, five days a week. go to mikehuckabee.com. click on the "huckabee report" and get past commentary, new feature. join me on facebook or follow me on twitter at mikehuckabee.com. according to friday labor department report, 95,000 people lost jobs in september. unemployment was 9.6%. how much more of a hit can america take. joining us is activist and writer ben stein. thank you for joining us today. the jog figures that came out -- job figures are a point that every month the economists tell us they are surprised that the job numbers aren't better. seems like if they're continually surprised the economy isn't doing better, economists should be

unemployed. >> interesting thing. the economists are always in favor of free trade the day that the economists at m.i.t. or harvard or stanford are replaced by economists at a university in china where they get 50 cents an hour. we'll be more worried about free trade. i don't know a single unemployed economist. i don't think it's a living, existing creature. this is a severe recession. the country is in a state of low morale. not sure what we do to get out of it. colossal mistake to let leeman brothers fail. gigantic mistake unprecedented since the great depression. you're against tarp, but with all due respect tarp saved the financial sector and it was an incredibly important act of congress. what we do now i'm not sure. people are in a state of fear. economy is starved of oxygen. oxygen that the businesses

need is confidence. and obama and the congress in general have to get their foot off the oxygen tube. >> mike: ben, one thank is of great concern to me is the government is intervening but they're not intervening consistently and business doesn't know will they be picked to be a winner or loser? lehman brothers dies. >> bear stearn lives. deeper than that, there what been very inconsistent leadership coming from the federal reserve. people don't pick on ben bernanke if you think of something esoteric and complicated. he had his foot on the monetary brakes and accelerator and then he put the foot on the monetary brake and now again on the accelerator. we're getting inconsistent policy from washington. that is a driver of stops to business ininvestment. >> mike: and don't you think that people don't know what

the costs -- >> i've been murdered in the media saying they shouldn't let the bush tax cuts expire in a recession. they don't see the point of raising taxes on anyone in the moytedal of recession. when the economy recovers and back to full employment, please god, tax on wealthy people should be raised definitely. with this level of lack of demand i don't see why we should raise taxes on anyone. i've been severely criticize in the the media for saying that. i don't see what good does it punish upper income people what good to punish upper income people if you don't do good for middle or lower income people? what is the point of that? >> mike: adrianna huffington and i were discussing the decline of the middle class. one thing that will happen in january because congress cowardly refused to act on the bush tax cut, the tax table from the treasury department are printed and they will be printed without the extension of the tax cuts so a family

making $40,000 a year will use $2,500 in january alone because congress hasn't acted. that is part of the way we hurt the middle class. do you agree? >> i agree. taxes are a very big burden. this is a gigantic problem. he cut taxes on the upper income taxpayers, he cut them too much. to reintate tax increase, makes no sense. i'm sorry i say i have to agree with the characterization. cowardly of them not to do it. stand up and be counted. or we are for a tax cut in recession or for raising taxes in the middle of the recession? [ applause ] talk all you want about principle. of balancing the budget but in this recession, mr. obama said he is for big deficits, for enormous super deficits.

why is he raising taxes in the middle of a recession? >> mike: we'll have the deficits it looks like for many generations to come. >> this is going to be murder on this society. eventually we'll have to default on the national debt. that will be a very, very big problem. or else we'll have to have hyper inflation, a very big problem. >> mike: ben stein, thank you very much thank you. [ applause ] >> you're welcome. >> mike: with the mid-term election over three weeks away, we are getting inundated with polls. did you think who is conducting the polls and whether or not they're accurate? we talk to prolific author george barna when we come back. how are those flat rate boxes working out?

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>> mike: these days it's empossible to turn on the news and not see another poll and another poll and another poll. but sometimes they give different views. here is an example. this gives democrat republicans -- but then this poll gives it different results. how do they come up with different findings?

we'll ask a research specialist tracking cultural trends in america. george, good to have you here. thank you very much. i want to us talk about the fact it's confusing to most of us who see the polls day after day. and they just have wide swings. this is a great example, the 11-point swing on the congressional election. why such a big difference? >> there are many different answers to give. you have to look at the question they're asking. it's always about the question. here you ask people who would you vote for, republicans or democrats? you don't vote for the republicans or the democrats. you vote for a republican candidate or a democratic candidate this your district. you don't get to vote for a party nationally. so the question itself doesn't make sense. secondly, you have to look at other things behind the scenes that you will never hear about, such as who was chosen, how were they chosen?

how was it worded? i guess they were two differently worded questions. it has shown it's possible to get 52 percentage point difference by modifying one word in a question. you have to look at that and look at an interviewer bias. interviewer on the phone you say i think i side with the republicans. the interview says that's good, so would i. so then that person sent you a clue to what the right answer. so you then start to skew the answer to please people on the other end because it's a natural tendency. all kind of issues. >> what about the consumer at home to hear all the polls. do we have a way to sort out which has creditability? >> it's difficult to do. one short-hand way we know and in the industry it's hard to know who do you trust or don't you. but it's like anything else.

you look at a company's track record. you look to gallup and see over a 50-year period of time when you compare their election statistics, their projections, with the outcome, they're typically within a percentage point or two of what actually happens. if you look at other companies they're 40 or 50 points. >> mike: want to name one of those? >> no. >> mike: ah, heck. my lawyers asked me not to. of the identify who has a good track record. there are companies that have proven they know what they're doing. something else that is interesting in election season, you will see the different surveys. some of them if you look carefully will say they talk to all voters. some of them say they talk to registered voters. some of them say they talk to likely voters. those are distinctly different groups of people with different opinions. you have to be careful about who you interview.

>> mike: off book called "masser leader"ed you talk about the qualities people need in the culture. relate the theme of your book "master leaders" and idea of people who understand service to the uprising of america and the tea party. because there is a sense that people are tired of maybe the house of lords, which is what congress has become. what about leadership is congress missing that created the fire under this country? >> it's interesting. when we did the interviews for that book with the great leaders across the country. the answer was surprising because they said listening. >> listening? >> listening. if i had to list people around the country and listening wouldn't make the list. >> mike: we saw it in the healthcare bill. they didn't listen in town

hall and they refuse to see what any poll told them about the american people. it's almost an affirmation that has people riled up, they feel like this is a congress disconnected from people they are supposed to be listening to. >> when you look at the research relate to the tea party, the people associated with it and people who support it. what you find is what they want is someone who gets their point of view. you can't get that unless you listen. i think what it has become is a grassroots movement of people saying you know what? i have an opinion that matters. matters as much as anybody else. nobody is listening. i have to take matters to my own hands with people who feel the same. that's propelling this. profound disappointment in the people they elected as their representatives. not as the people over them, but representatives. you have can't represent somebody unless you listen to them. and understand them. >> mike: first time i heard that word as powerful. disappointment. i heard all the other -- but people are disappointed. they had an expectation they

were going to be served and they feel like they were scammed. george, stick around. after the break we'll bring you back with adrianna huffington and ben stein, and george barna. we'll talk about everything from tax cuts to food stamps. you have no idea what we're going to get into. i don't either. we'll be right back. ♪ we all do it. but you don't have to. thanks to secret flawless renewal... with odor-absorbing micro capsules that capture... odor and release a fresh scent. it's still working, so you can stop checking.

>> mike: there is so much to talk about. going at it again. adrianna huffington, ben stein, george barna. talk about the healthcare bill, should we repeal it? if the congress changes over and the republicans get control of the house and possibly the senate as well, "a," should they repeal

healthcare? ariana, start with you. >> they should not. there are a lot of provisions that have majority of approval for good reasons. one of them being able to keep your children on your insurance policy until they're 26 years old. that's benefitting a lot of families right now. especially as the kids are graduating from college and can't get jobs. the other is insurance companies to be band from excluding children with p preexisting conditions. these are good provisions. what republicans should do if they win the congress is allow medicare to negotiate lower prices with the pharmaceutical companies. it's appalling that that provision was not in the bill. we do things to bring down

costs. that is the danger of the healthcare plan. >> mike: ben, there are things in the bill that are unintended consequences. paperwork for small businesses, cost lift be less expensive for businesses to just pay penalty than provide health insurance moving people to the government role. >> i think what we should do is have a commission or a committee of congress. some group of concerned citizens go through the bill and find out two things. one, what part of the bill are likely to discourage employment and get those out? i talk to a lot of employers who won't hire because of the added healthcare cost under obama care. we want those out of the bill possible. second thing, with respect to my friend ariana many years standing we don't want to do anything from discouraging pharmaceutical companies doing research. i don't mind if the pharmaceutical companies make

profit. i don't own stock but i'd like to see them make profits to plow it in research. i'd like the pharmaceutical companies to prolong my life if possible and my wife and my son and everyone in america. >> ben, they're spending more money on advertising than they are spending on research and development. how many ads do you want to see -- >> you are totally right there. 100% agree with you. too many ads and too many ads to the consumer. encouraging the consumer to make choices that probably the doctor should make. so i think you're totally right there. more money on research, less on advertising. you've got that totally right. >> mike: let me jump in and say part of the reason that the pharmaceutical companies spend so much on advertising. i don't own stock and i'm not trying to make them superwealthy. i want them to make money to go back and research. but they have to recover all of their costs within seven years before the drug turns generic. so they've got to market it. they have to be aggressive. they have to get the money back. maybe if the government would ease off on some of the f.d.a.

regulations, maybe make it easier for them to recover profits they wouldn't. i want to move on. a lot of topics. george, talk about how much of a driving force is the healthcare bill in this year's election. is that a reason people will vote for or against a member of congress? >> when we look at what is driving things? it's outrageously overwhelmingly the economy. all that people care about now is my pocketbook. what are you going to do for me in the future? what did you do to me in the past? those are the key issues. healthcare is important to them. but even going back to what we were talking about, the big issue for the american public they don't it. they feel like again, something is being done to them by people who they no longer trust. so i think there has to be an educational process that guess on if we want people to have an informed upon about what will happen with health in the future. by far, they are worried about the economy. >> mike: let me ask you about newt gingrich called the democrat the party of food stamps. nancy pelosi pretty strongly

objected to that. is in a battle over jobs versus government depensy? >> no. this is a battle of creating a sense of urgency around jobs. everybody says we are for jobs. aren't you tired of hearing the politicians saying jobs are number one priority? they are not acting like that. they came together and they had one weekend, financial establish. ment, political establishment. they threw everything against the wall and saved wall street. where the sense of urgency about main street, saying let's all come together. you republicans, you want a payroll tax holiday. let's have a payroll tax holiday. you democrats want infrastructure projects, let's have infrastructure projects. to let's do everything. we cannot afford to have a country for 26 million people

out of work or underemployed. that is a country that would become a third world country. >> mike: ben, i think we might agree there has to be some infrastructure rebuilding in this country. but part of the issue was a lot of the so-called infrastructure projects really weren't infrastructure. they were pet projects that members were going to get that didn't really build a rail, didn't expand an airport, it didn't decongest a clogged highway. >> i'm amazed when i hear people complain about the american airports. i travel almost every day. american airports compared to european airports are marvelous and magnificent. i'm surprised at that. the infrastructure projects are a way and will only employ a few hundred people with millions spent. i live in north idaho in the summer and they spend $160 million on a bypass for a town

of 5,000 people. that is absolutely to me inexplicable. i agree entirely. ariana made a brilliant point. we want our children safe and bridges safe. that is a very good point. infrastructure is way to stimulate employment. >> mike: ben and george and ariana. thank you. from "huckabee" studios in new york. good night and god bless. hi. you know, if we had let fedex office pri our presentation, they could have shipped it too. saved ourselves the hassle. i'm not too sure about this. look at this. [ security agent ] right. you never kick off with sales figures. kicking off with sales figures! i'm yawning. i'm yawning some more. aaaaaaaand... [ snores ]

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