sailors attend the academy, carrying on a tradition that began 165 years ago today. and now you know the news this sunday, october 10th, 10-10-10. i'm julie banderas, thanks for watching. watching. >> ladies and gentlemen, governor mike huckabee. >> (applause) >> what a grade audience, thank you very much. and welcome to huckabee from the fox news studios in new york city. tonight, ann coulter, you know, she loves bashing the left, but wait and see who she's calling a liberal now. and speaking of liberals, ariana huffington is here and she's going to tell us why she thinks that the middle class is endangered species. he's tried, but can't seem to make sense out of putting an end to the bush tax cuts. ben stein is also going to be

joining us tonight. plus george varna on what the political polls really mean. [applause] >> and drillers have broken through to the 33 chilen miners trapped since august and created a shaft wide enough to pull up the miners one by one. you've seen pictures of the miners who have made the best of a difficult situation all the way since august the 6th. and the golden a copper mine they were working in collapsed. since then they have lived together, a half mile underground,rablybl hot and humid. unable to kiss their loved ones and haven't seen daylight since then. steve hair began is at the san jose mine now. steve, how are they going to determine which miner gets to come up first? >> governor, it's likely the first thing that will happen,

someone will go down into the mine and likely paramedics will go down and check out the conditions. among the first miners who come up with severe health problems. one minor is a diabetic and fit and strong in case there are complications on the way up. anything unforeseen, he's got to be a tough guy, if there is trouble. the bigger question is, if it takes one hour at least to take out all 33 miners, this could be a two day operation, oorgly they were supposed to being taken immediately by helicopter to the hospital one at a time. now the miners are saying, no, they've survived by sticking together and they want to stick together in freedom as well so we could see miners waiting outside the entrance until everyone is up before they go to the hospital. and steve, that's a remarkable story, these guys obviously had a unique bond they've formed over the course of these two months and we've seen some pickets of the

miners families celebrating. i know you have talked to an american working on the drill team, that team has to be feeling extraordinary right now. >> reporter: a great sense of accomplishment, but also a real sense of relief. some of the americans who have been on the drill team say this is like nothing they've done before. and the complexity of it, technically was very tough, but also, this time, they couldn't take the usual measures they could, using explosives, for example, they had to be very careful because they weren't after precious metals they were trying to save human life. so for some of the miners, they say the stress of this operation has been worse than anything they've ever felt e how have these miners been handling the situation, just in terms of dealing with the fact that they didn't know if they were going to come out of the mine alive or not? >> it's got to seem the first days were the toughest, the first two weeks underground really just sharing a couple of cans a fish, one bite a

day, one sip of milk, all alone when the whole world thinks you're dead and suddenly to be discovered, by the drill bit. hearing that drill bit and now, over this weekend, finally, the escape shaft breaking through and you've got to figure they've gone through an incredible range of emotions from highs to lows, one thing has been constant. they have stuck together. when they had no one, where they had satellite tv done there, bert day cake, before they had video chats with their families, they were all alone in the dark when everyone thought they were dead and they stuck together then and they're sticking together now. >> mike: and seeing exactly what kind of space are they dealing with, that we know it's dark, we know they don't have much done there. but i mean, do they have a good bit of room to move about? >> there is some room to move about. they have about a studio size apartment where most of them spend a good deal of time, but there are heroic stories about some of the miners, one of

whom is running five miles a day plus down there in the caverns to try to stay in shape. there are problems beside the hero stories, there are reports of skin damage and some dental trouble as well from being underground. you can imagine a half mile underground more than 60 days now, there's going to be some problems. so, there's going to be triage immediately here at a field hospital when they come up, but also, some psychological evaluation as well because think of the extremes these miners are going through, to be underground in the dark, quiet, and suddenly, here in the bright desert sun and exposed to the world media waiting to get a piece of them and their families as well and a dramatic a transition as you can imagine. >> mike: when they come out of the mine and see the cameras and the flash bulbs going off and see all of you guys standing up there, they may want to turn around and go back down. i'm telling you, so be nice to them. steve, thank you very much for joining us from chile what a great story.

>> reporter: sure thing, thank you, thank you governor. ♪ ♪ hey big spender ♪ hey big spender >> well, last week, remember when i told you about the voter uprising in america is not altogether a reflection of the democrats and certainly not the pouring on of the republicans. it's that people who work hard in this country and aren't getting ahead, but slipping behind are a little bit steamed that their government takes money from their already shrinking paychecks and then spends it as if it all belongs to them. now, last week, i called them the clepto-kratts and take from the taxpayers and give it to special interest and projects and buy up political votes and before the clept-ocracy. the tea party and others say that's enough. one of the ridiculous rants about the tea party movement

it's about people being retch and taxes. and poor angry about the rich peop people's stuff. i never grew up with much, but people had air conditioned homes and vacations and that gave me something to shoot for, something to dream for. now i've lived much of the american dream, i don't recent paing taxes, but i recent paying tacks that penalize me for being responsible and then congress spending it foolishly. arthur godfrey said i'm proud to be an american, but i could be just as proud for half the money. what steams us congress takes what we've worked hard to earn and squander is it on stupid spending sprees, i want to show you a few things that your tax dollars are saying for, $107,000 to study the sex life of the japanese quail. 1.2 million to study the breeding habits of the

woodchuck. here is one you'll love. $150,000 of your money to study the feud between the hatfields and the mccoys, he can had write them a check and probably pay them off and make them happy with that kind of money. 19 million bucks to examine the gas emissions from cow flat lens, many' not making this up. 219,000 to teach college students how to watch television. a million dollars to preserve a sewer in trenton, new jersey, as a historic monument. now, that, my friends, is clept-ocracy in action, but the good news, the spending disease of the crept-o-crats is curable. if your congressman has voted for pork spending, bailouts, all of it budget busting obama care and ear marks like the ones i've described, then vote for someone else, send that member of congress home. oh, he's still going to retire with a very nice pension, that you're going to have to fund.

but that's the only cure to clept-ocacy in congress. [applause] e. >> mike: now, if you know of some examples or want to shear your views, e-mail me at mike huckabee.com and click on the fox news feedback section, you can also sign up for my face book page or follow me on twitter, the details at mike huckabee.com. coming up, ann colter says i'm a liberal. are you kidding? i'm going to ask her how she figures that. that's coming up. don't miss this. [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus rushes relief for all-over achy colds. the official cold medicine of the u.s. ski team. alka-seltzer plus.

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(applause) >> she's an unapoll gettic critic of a liberal. who is a liberal. ann, welcome. >> thank you. >> mike: i want to read a quote from an article. you knew i was going to do this. >> this was not our top elk, governor. >> mike: i want to show you something you recently wrote and this is from, let's see, here it comes, it says all liberals are atheists and only the ones that have to stand for election believe in god. only one true christian liberal in the country and that's mike huckabee. let me understand-- >> and i knew you'd bring it up and i was not prepared for this. i did say this and it was not meant as an insult to you. it was an insult to all the alleged christian advisors to

president obama, the jim wallace types. i mean, there are such fake, phony frauds, you cannot be a liberal and a christian and those in particular, for example, on their idea of charity, they claim no, liberals we're the true christians because we want to raise your taxes and they're not spending their money on charity they want to brag how they will redistribute income from one group to another. moreover, many alleged christians who haves the ear of president obama, the most pro-abortion president, more than bill clinton and does not spend every second of that meeting talking about the 40 million babies who have been killed, do not tell me you're a christian. so i started thinking, what if you were a genuine christian, but you had some crazy liberal views on things that are not directly christian? what would that look like? and i thought of you, governor, perhaps you're a fine fellow. >> mike: and what would these

crazy things be. i was against tarp. >> you have some crazy liberal-- >> such as? >> i did not prepare for this, but when you were running for president, i'm much move critical of people red wing for president, that's a big job. you were very soft on illegal immigration. >> mike: i didn't believe. >> not like-- >> and i still don't believe for amnesty on illegal immigrants, i don't know how that's soft. i was endorsed by the founder of the minutemen, that's about as conservative-- >> i never like a-- unless there's one authority, and you compared illegal immigration to slavery and speaking as an african-american, i'm very offended by that. okay, i'm not really an african-american, but i am offended. look, everybody wants to be black in this country, a point that i made in great detail in my last book, guilty. everybody wants to claim the mantle hood of victimhood. unless you were brought here

as slaves on slave ships in changes, i'm sorry, you're not black, you're not-- illegal immigrants running-- >> that doesn't answer how i'm a liberal. >> i think it does, comparing illegal immigration-- >> illegal, you don't punish the children of an illegal because the parents did something. >> this is exactly what i mean (laughter) >> this is a liberal christian. i'm sure that is what liberals said to us 30 years ago in saying we have to start subsidizing illegitimacy. a poor woman, she had a child out of wedlock, we don't want to punish the children. >> no one. >> done by liberals. and nobody has been more a proponent of traditional marriage and stable marriage, no one has been adamant the government shouldn't be spending money that isn't there is.

i was against the tarp bill and a lot of republicans were wranging their hands and i said they're wrong, it's not a responsibility of government. i with as against stimulus, against obama care. >> you have many excellent positions why you're a christian liberal, but not punishing the children of illegal aliens makes the point beautifully because, yes, your heart is in the right place you're a christian, but you don't see that if you subsidize something, you get more of it. we've been subsidizing illegitimacy for 30 years, if you subsidize illegal immigration, it will go through the roof so your christian heart says don't punish the child, but economically, that means a lot more of them. >> mike: no, you're wrong, let me explain why. my economic heart tells me if you have a kid who is a valedictorian and his parents are illegal. would it be better to for him to go to college and become a medical doctor and pay taxes and become a citizen or have him pick tomatoes and never be a productive citizen? the economy will be better when that kid is able to fully

realize his potential and break the pattern of his parents illegal activity. so. >> you come up with that one anecdote and i'm going to come up with one million mexicans living in mexico, thinking if we can run across the border and get our kid to do well in school, we'll get citizenship, a bad incentive. >> mike: which goes to the point i've made repeatedly we've got to seal the border, nothing else matters until then. the fact is we didn't seal the border. the person, ronald reagan gam blanket amnesty. >> was a mistake. >> that was a mistake led to more illegal immigration. until it's built surrounded by a moat, and filled with crocodiles then i'll talk about-- >> my problem is steams you've characterized me as a liberal. >> christian liberal, makes it different. >> mike: not really. >> the point is. >> mike: no. >> yes, it does. the point is at least admit to

me many' right all of the phony christians advising president obama are total fake, phony frauds. >> mike: i'm never going to judge somebody's faith. they have maybe christians and may be misguided applying it to government. >> no he'll give you another one. >> mike: if i give money-- let me finish, if i give money out of my pocket, that's charity. if i take money out of your pocket that's thieferry, i totally get that. >> those are the liberal christians and i'll throw in one allegedly on our side, richard wan, a big baptist minister quoted to the new york times, pass the circumstances for illegal aliens, it's called legal immigration, and saying he takes that from the bible saying treat the stranger as yourself. on that theory, he doesn't recognizance believe in

marriage. greet a stranger as are self. that's absurd to take that provision from the bible and say we need open borders or amnesty for people who have broken the law to come here. >> mike: let me ask you, you talk about and i appreciate that you're pro-life because you've been consistent on that except for one thing, during the campaign you called me a liberal yet you supported mitt romney whose health care bill is a blueprint of obama care and provides for abortions for 50 bucks, so is that could ifrt? >> technically i supported duncan hunter it will it came down to mccain. >> mike: i'm such a liberal duncan hunter supported me after i-- i told you, appeal to authorities, will not impress me. i'll make up my own mind. >> mike: you can call me a liberal all you want. >> i call you christian and-- >> thank you for at least getting it half right. >> that was romney versus, okay. >> mike: huckabee. >> it couldn't be you it was the last three, mccain, romney and you and romney was liberal in the soviet union and i

don't want to bother-- my candidate for 2012 a chris christie and he's pro-life. and a great guy and i'm sure before it's over you'll call him a liberal christian or something. i'll never satisfy you, and i give up on it. >> thank you. >> mike: it's always fun battering and having a little fun with you. for years our next guest used to lean to the right and she made a sharp turn to the left, but maybe veering back to the middle. we'll ask ar yanna huffington when we come back. [ female announcer ] staynce... stay twice... earn a free night! two separate stays at comfort inn or any of these choice hotels can earn you a free night -- only when you book at choicehotels.com.

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>> she says the american dream is an american nightmare and our country is in danger of becoming a third world

nation. ariana, thank you for being with us today. you talked in the book about the disappearing middle class, we're losing the middle class, always the strength of this country. why are we losing the middle class. >> we're losing the middle class, but for years now, we have allowed special interests, allowed mortgage companies and credit card companies to hide tricks and traps in our contracts. >> mike: what about unions, have they been a part of this, do you think? >> i think we have allowed basically the absence of responsibility and no question that many people bought into the idea you can have a shot cut to the american dream, no down payment. no proof of income and that's not going to happen and and going to this country and for real, i had-- >> so is mine, by the way. >> and my husband says i never

listen, but-- that's why-- you know, i live the american dream and i remember growing up and walking to school every day passing by the statue who had given europe the plan. and when i'm here now and i see friends of mine whose kids are graduating from college and can't find a job, and people in 40's and 50's losing their jobs and not being able to find another one, upward mobility was at the heart of the american dream and now, we have downward mobility. you know, governor, there are 100 million people worse off than their parents at a similar age. and they believe that they're not going to do as well as they're doing. basically we went from a country that made things, to a country that made things up, you know, and credit default

swaps, toxic derivatives and the taxpayers, that's where you and i agree. >> mike: we do. one of the things i found refreshing in your book draws upon many things that i've been saying for quite some time. we are eroding the sense of the american dream, we're killing the idea that a person can reach for something. you've lived it, i've lived it. how much of this is because the government has tried to interfere too much and manipulate the economy rather than to allow the marketplace to truly give people the opportunity to create and innovate? >> listen, i believe that capitalism is the best system in the world. i studied economics at calm bridge, but the foundation has to be a moral foundation. and now it's no longer a moral enterprise in many instances. you have, for example, short-term and greed driving business decisions, that's not going to work in the

long-term. we saw it didn't even work for the companies like lehman brothers and berkshire, and -- and the absence of a moral foundation, we need government to make sure that there's enough regulation not to allow what happened to happen and not to allow bp to do what it did, and ended in the worst environmental disaster and destroyed the livelihoods of so many people and not to allow the mining industry, for example, to allow people to go down the mines without the proper safety regulations and these people who do that without government we wouldn't need government. but so often the drive for the short end profit is making that impossible. >> mike: we agree, i believe, on the big problem. we may not completely come to terms on how does government fix it. i totally agree, ariana that government should play a role, but when i watch let's say

barney frank and maxine waters say there's no problem with fannie mae and freddie mac, they're just fine. they weren't fine. that was government failing to regulate, do the one job it had which was to referee the game. >> no, there's no question that fannie and freddie, together, they had two agencies regulating them. the problem was not absence of regulation, but the regulators were not even doing their job, but right now, if you look at the needs in the country, i have an entire section, you haven't fix the infrastructure in this country without government and a lot of the peeps that the water come from dates back to the civil war and a lot of our infrastructure dates back to fdr and the new deal. we saw what happened in san bruno, california. do we really want to be at the mercy of exploding pipes? that's why we need to real government infrastructure

project, the way that fdr did. that's about our safety, that's about our children being able to go to school on bridges that are not going to collapse and pipes not going to explode. >> mike: you're quite right about the infrastructure. we've allowed it to deteriorate and we're losing fiscal and physical capital and social capital because of the clogged arteries of highways and airports and i completely agree, as long as it's done with integrity. we are going to bring you back later in the show and i appreciate your perspective. the book is called third world america and i know you're going to find it a fascinating book. thanks, ariana. [applause] >> coming up, another guest who thinks that the middle class is eliminated, but his reasoning different. ben stein will explain why. that's next. [applause]. they've done a great job caring for their teeth. that's why i recommend a rinse like crest pro health complete. it's a more comple way to a better dental check-up. giving you a clean, healthy mouth.

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headquarters, hello everyone, i'm julie banderas, and set to bring the trapped chillen miners beginning on wednesday, the word from the country's mining minister. after the capsule is tested they will be brought up one by one. it's expected to take about 48 hours, they've been trapped underground for two months following the cave-in. the social security administration expects to announce there will be no cost of living increases in exyear. the second year in a row the so-called cola. and inflations were adopted in 1975. the announcement expected on friday from the bureau of labor and statistics, releases information estimates for september. i'm julie banderas and you're watching fox. >> you'd like to comment on tonight's show,

huckabee@foxnews.com. >> sign up for my daily pod cast now heard daily on about 600 of america's finalest radio stations, three times a day, five days a week and go to mike huckabee.com and click on the past reports, and new features. sign up for the pod cast or join me on facebook or follow me on twitter. and according to the report, 95,000 people lost their jobs in september. and unemployment 9.6%. how much more of a hit can americans take. joinings now is actor, writer and political commentator ben stein. ben, thank you for joining us today. [applause] >> these job figures that just came out and reflect that every month the economists tell us that they are surprised that the job numbers aren't better. it seems like that if they continually are surprised that the economy isn't doing better, maybe the economists should be unemployed. >> well, that's an interesting thing. i'm very glad you brought that

up, governor, the economists are always in favor of free trade. the day that economists at mit or harvard or stanford are replaced by economists or in china or i think we'll be worried about free trade. but there's-- i don't know the single unemployed economist. i don't think that is a living existing creature, but we are in the midst of a very severe recession and confidence is shattered and the country is in a state of fear and low morale and not sure what to do to get out of it. it was a colassel mistake, that was a gigantic mistake on a scale unprecedented since the great depression and i know you were against tarp, but with all due respect tarp and the financial sector, it was encredibly important act of congress. but what we do now, i'm not quite sure, people are in a state of fear. the economy is starved of oxygen and the oxygen that's needed is business confidence.

mr. obama and the government generally have to get that foot off the oxygen tube. >> mike: ben, one of the things of great concern to me, is that the government is intervening, but they're not intervening consistently and business doesn't know are they going to be picked to be a winner or loser. lehman brothers guys yet goldman sachs lives. mcdonald's gets an extension-- and i think it's even deeper than that, governor. it's been inconsistent leadership out of the federal reserve. people don't pick on mr. bernanke, and he think they considering it so esoteric and complicated and he had his foot on the brake and accelerator and foot on the monetary brake and accelerator and we're getting inconsistency out of washington and that's a major to new business and employment. >> and taxes, doesn't that have an impact. nobody knows what they're

costing. >> i've been absolutely murdered in the media saying i don't think they should let the bush tax cuts expire while there's a recession. they don't see the point in raising taxes on anyone in the middle of recession. when the economy recovers, when we're back at full employment, please god, yes, taxes on wealthy people should be raised definitely, but when there is this kind of level of lack of demand, i don't see why we should raise taxes on anyone. as i say i've been very severely criticized in the media for saying that. what good does it punish to upper income people. if by so doing you don't do good for middle and lower income people. what's the point of that? >> ariana huffington and i were discussing the decline of the middle class, one thing that's going to happen in january because congress, cowardly refused to act on the bush tax cuts. the tax tables from the treasury department are printed and they're going to be printed without the extension of the tax cuts so a

family making $40,000 a year will lose $225 in january alone, just because congress hasn't acted. this is part of the way that we're hurting the middle class, would you agree, ben? >> i absolutely agree. look, taxes are a very big burden. this is a gigantic problem and mr. bush cut the taxes, i think frankly on the upper income taxpayers he cut them too much, but to reinstate a tax increase even to hypothetically reinstate it in this kind of fear this max no sense and i have to say i have to agree with your characterization, it's cowardly for them not to do it. stand up it for it. are we for raising taxes or cutting taxes in the middle of he roux session. [applause] >> and balancing the budget, in this kind of recession, mr. obama has already said he's for big deficits, for

enormous super deficits, why is he raising taxes in the middle of recession. >> mike: we are going to have the deficits it looks like for many generations to come. >> oh, for-- you know, this is going to be murder on this society. i think eventually we will have to default on the national debt and that will be a very, very big problem or else we are going to have hyper inflation and that will be a very big problem. >> mike: ben stein, thank you very, very much. >> you're welcome. >> mike: so with the mid term elections just over three weeks away, we're inundated with polls. did you ever think about who is conducting these polls and whether or not they're even accurate? we're going to talk with researcher, futurist and prolific author george varner when we come back. [applause]. [ female announcer ] when you save an average of over 50 a year

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whoo! awesome! yes! we've got to get you out of the office more often. ♪ my turn to drive. ♪ (applause) >> the count don clock is ticking and these days it's impossible to turn on the news without seeing a poll and then another poll and another poll. but have you ever noticed how some polls on the same races show very different results? here is an example. a recent abc news washington post poll on the congressional votes, republicans 49%, democrats 43%, but the same poll conducted by news week got the g.o.p. at 43 and the democrats at 48. that's a 11 point swing. so, how and why do these surveys on the same elections come up with such really denver findings? we're going to ask a research

specialist who tracks cultural trends in america, george farner, good to have you here, thank you very much. >> (applause) e. >> mike: george, i want us to talk about the fact that it's confusing, for most of us who, you know, see the polls day after day and they just have wide swings. this is a great example, a 11 point swing on the congressional elections and why such big difference. >> many different answers you can give on this particular height and let's just look at that. you have to look at the question that people are being asked. it's always about the question. and here you're asking people you know, who would you vote for, the republicans or the democrats? you don't vote for the republicans or the democrats, you vote for a republican candidate or a democrat k candidate in your district. you don't get to vote for a party nationally. first of all shall the question itself doesn't really make any sense. secondly, you've got to look at a lot of other things that are behind the scenes that you'll never hear about. such as who was chosen for the sample. how were they chosen, how was

the question worded? i'm guessing that in the question that we looked at on the screen, there were two differently worded questions. and studies have shown it's possible to get up to a 52 percentage point difference in answer by modifying one word in a question. so, you've got to look at that, you've got to look at-- interview or bias, you know, if an interviewer is on the phone you say well, i think i'd side with the republicans, and the interviewer says that's really good, so would i and go on to the next question, well, that person just sent you a few, what's the right answer. and from that point forward you skew your answers we use the person on the other end. . >> what does the consumer at home who is hearinged polls, do we have any way to sort of sort out which ones are more valid than others and which has credibility? >> it's very difficult to do. i mean, one of the shorthand ways we go about it and in the industry, who do you trust and who don't you? it's like anything else, you

look at a company's track record, so you look at a place like gallup and you see over a 50 year period of time when you compare a their elections statistics, their projections with the outcomes, they're typically within a percentage point or two of what actually happens and you look at other companies, they're usually within 30 or 50 percentage points e you want to name one of those. >> my lawyers asked me not to. >> mike: oh, heck. >> but you've got to begin to identify. who has a good track record and francly, i think there are a dozen or so good companies, and know what they're doing and during election season you'll see all the different surveys, so many of them if you look carefully they say they talk to all voters, some say they talk to registered voters and some say they talk to likely vote ethree distinctly different groups of people with different opinions and be careful who you

interview. >> mike: you've got a book out called "master leaders" and the qualities in our culture. the theme of your book "master leaders" and people who understand service to the uprising of america and the tea party because there is a sense of people are toward of maybe the house of lords, which is what congress has become. what about leadership is congress missing that is created a fire under this country? >> you know, it's interesting, like when we did the interviews for that book, with great leaders across the country, one of the questions that i asked all the people was what do you think is the single most important skill of a great leader? and their answer surprised me. 'cause what they said is listening. and when i think about-- >> listening. >> listening, yeah, when i think about the people we have in many political offices around the country and if i had to identify one of their chief characteristic, listening wouldn't make the list. >> mike: we saw it, they

didn't listen at town halls and refused to see what any poll was telling them about the american people and almost an affirmation what really has people riled up. they feel this is a congress disconnected from the people they're supposed to be listening to. >> when you look at the research related to the tea party, the people who saes associated with it and support it. what they want is someone who gets it, gets their point of view, you can't get that unless you listen and so i think what that has become is a grass roots movement of people saying you know what, i've got an opinion that matters. it matters just as much as anybody else, but nobody is listening to me, i have to take matters into my own hands with other people, we feel the same and so that's what's really propelling this and a profound disappointment in the people that they elected as their representatives. not as the people to lord it over them, but as their representatives. you can't represent somebody unless you listen to them. >> mike: that's the first time i've heard that powerful disappointment, but people are disappointed.

they've had an expectation that they were going to be served in fact, they feel like they were scammed. interesting word. george, i want you to stick around. because after the break we're going to bring you back with ariana huffington and ben stein and we'll talk tax cuts to food stamps and no idea what we're going to get into. we'll be right back. [applause].

(applause). >> we've covered a lot with my guests earlier in the show. and we're going to go at it again. i want to talk about the health care bill. a lot of talk will we repeal it, should we repeal it, if the congress changes over and republicans get control of the house and possibly the senate as well. a, should they repeal health

care? ariana, will et me start with you. >> no, they should not. a lot of provisions that have majority approval for good reasons, one of them being to be able to give you on your insurance pole and 26 years and benefitting a lot of families right now, especially if kids dpraded from college and can't get a job. and other for insurance companies to be banned from excluding children that have preexisting conditions. another one being the ban from excluding people from insurance if they get really sick. these are good provisions that majority of americans want. i think what the republicans should do if they win the congress, is to allow medicare to be able to negotiate lower prices with the pharmaceutical companies. he think it's appalling that that provision was not in the bill. to allow-- to do the things that would

bring up cost because that's the major danger of our health care plan. >> mike: ben, there are things in the bill, however, that are unintended consequences, paper work for small businesses, costs, it will be really less expensive for most small businesses to just pay the penalty than to provide health insurance, moving people to the government roll. >> he think what we should do is have a commission or a committee of congress, or a group of concerned citizens go through the bill and find out two things, one, what parts of the bill are likely to discourage employment and get those out. i talked to lot of employers who say they will not hire because added health care costs under obama care, we want those out of the bill if possible and unless it works a hardship. second they think with respect to my dear friend ariana, many years standing, we don't want to do anything for the pharmaceutical companies, to

discourage them, i'd like to see them plow that back into research, and prolong my life if possible and my wife and son's and everyone in americans. >> they're spending more money on advertising than research and development and how many ads you want to see. >> you're totally right there. i 100% agree with you, too many ads and too many ads right to the consumeren couraging the consumer to make choices that probably the doctor should make so i think you're totally right there. more money on research less on advertising and i think you've got that totally right. >> mike: let me jump in. and say part of the reason the pharmaceutical companies spend so much on advertising and i'm not trying to make them super wealthy, i want them like ben to make enough money that they go back and research, but they have to recover all of their costs within seven years before the drug turns generic so they've got to market it and be aggressive and get that money back, maybe if the government would ease off on some of the f.d.a. regular

laces, maybe make it easier for them to recover their profits they would. i want move on, a lot of topics, george, let's talk about how much of a driving force is the health care bill in this year's elections? is that going to be a reason people vote for or against a member of congress? >> we looked at what's driving things, it's outrageously, overwhelmingly the economy. what are you going to do for the future and what did you do in the past. health care is important, but what we were talking about the big issue for the american public, they don't understand it and feel like again, something is being done to them by people who they know longer trust. and so i think there's got to be an educational process that goes on if we want people to have an informed opinion what's going to happen with health care in the future, but by far, they're worried about the economy. >> mike: ar yiana, newt gingrich

called the democrats a party of food stamps and nancy pelosi objected to that. >> this is really a battle over creating a sense of urgency along jobs. everybody says we are for jobs. aren't you tired of hearing politicians say jobs are number one priority, but they're not acting like that and that's the problem. when wall street was in trouble, they all came together over one weekend, you know, the financial establishments, political establishments and they threw everything against the wall and saved wall street. where is that sense of urgency about main street. where is the sense, come together, you republicans want a payroll tax holiday. lets a have a payroll tax holiday. you democrats, you want infrastructure. let's have infrastructure projects, we need them. let's do everything because we cannot afford to have a country where people are out

of work or underemployed. and that becomes a third word country that we don't-- >> ben, i think we might agree there's got to be infrastructure rebuildening this country, but part of the issue was a lot of the so-called infrastructure projects weren't infrastructure projects they were pet projects that didn't build a rail, didn't expand an airport, it didn't decongest a clogged highway. >> i'm always amazed when i hear people complain about american airports. i travel almost every day and american airports, compared with european airports are marvelous and magnificent. i'm a little surprised. the infrastructure projects are notoriously inefficient way of stimulating employment especially in these days of mechanized construction. they'll employ only a couple hundred people per million spent and i see projects all the time and live in north idaho in the summer and

spending 60 million on a bypass for a town of-- it's to me inexplicable. we want our children to be safe and bridges safe, that's a very good point, but infrastructures is a notoriously inefficient way to stimulate employment. if you want to stimulate employment, give the money back to the consumers and that will be sure to be spent and then -- [applause] >> ben, george and ariana, thank you all from the huckabee studios in new york. huckabee studios in new york. good night and good bless. captioned by closed captioning services, inc.

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