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president obama and speaker pelosi have put forward. >> >> the president: i think the pundits are wrong. i think we are gonna win. >> the government we have in washington, d.c. is too big. >> sean: in less than two years president obama's soaring rhetoric of hope and change has deteriorated into a tirade fit for a school yard. never more apparent than of all places the city of brotherly love. at a campaign event president obama doubled down on his party's midterm strategy, blame republicans early and blame republicans often. take a look. >> the president: the hole we are climbing out is so deep, the republicans messed up so bad, left such a big mess. that there is still millions of americans without work. >> sean: in addition to trying to scare voters into believing republicans are responsible for the crumbling economy the

president tempted to confuse voters as well. sit back, relax and enjoy today's lesson in revisionist history. >> the president: our economy is growing again. the private sector created jobs nine months in a row now. there are three million americans who would not be working today if not for the economic plan that joe and i put into place. that's the truth! >> bill: i guess he missed the news last week that the unemployment remains at 9.6% despite suring it wouldn't go above 8% if we passed the stimulus plan. the blame isn't the only tactic. his administration is peddling a con veer -- a conspiracy theory that money is being funneled into the chamber of kphors to buy votes for republicans. the "washington post" annual -- yesterday axelrod was taken

to task. >> this part about foreign money that appears to be peanuts mr. axelrod. do you have think evidence that it is anything other than peanuts? >> do you have any evidence it is not, bob? >> i would put it this way, if the only charge three weeks into the election that the democrats can make that there somehow may or may not be foreign coming into the campaign. is that the best you can do? >> sean: later we'll get to that ad and you will hear from karl rove on the matter. he's been singled out by the white house for his ties to republican fundraising as well. first the author of the "new york times" best seller, 2010 take back america. dick morris is back. can you prove me wrong bob? what kind of answer is that. you make an allegation against somebody -- >> they have no message. you are talking about a legislative campaign after the

most profoundly changing legislative package that has ever been passed by a congress since 1934 and 35 or 64 and 65. whether you like it or not it was huge and not a single candidate is defending that. they are running on nonsense like this it is absolutely incredible. >> sean: what did you think -- the president says we are creating jobs. >> i may have told new story. right before the election '94 clinton called me anded is where he thought -- where i thought he should campaign? i said don't, you will drive down your ratings. i said you will hurt everybody you are campaigning for. then he went out and hurt them all that is image you just showed of barack obama in short sleeves is not presidential. you came on and you looked

presidential. he looked like some kind of street -- >> sean: i'm putting together a group and i'll let you run a poll -- >> thing that i'm finding, which is extraordinary, the mainstream media has been peddling this argument that me men item has shifted the democrats are coming back. no way in is the first time republicans have led in all 10 seats we need to take over the senate, led. the narrowest by four points in nevada. >> sean: we have a new poll out today up by six points in nevada. >> second thing is, i went through all of the polls, all taken in october. republicans now are leading in 53 seats held by democrats. within five points in 20 more, that's 73. the bad news only 14 seats where there are more than 10 ahead. this conference down to turn-out. this comes down to getting people out to vote.

that's one of the reasons i've been working with citizens united on this new movie called "battle for america movie.com." i want people to show it in their house parties, block parties. people will walk through a wall to vote after they see that movie. >> sean: this is key, i think this is very important. always in a midterm it comes down to turn-out. gallup came out with their new numbers. in a case of likely voters, higher turn-out, their latest numbers, republican advantage 53-41. likely voters, low turnout is 56-39. these are still historic numbers. >> either one is incredible. i think that it is enormous. my worry here is that there are so many districts where i learn about the race. i'd never heard of

republican. never even considered a democrat could be beaten. i look and there's a poll and it says the republican is at 46 the democrat is at 49 and that seat is in play. i believe they are sitting throughout on the table, 40 or 50 seats that we are now not going to win, because we are not playing in the game. >> sean: you've been urging everybody to aim higher. >> aim higher. i have this thing called super pacusa.com. don't watch the show without a pencil and paper. i'm putting to the an independent kpaoepbd to go into those 20, -- expenditure to go into those 20, 30, 40, you know is on my list? barney , steny hoyer, john dingle. >> sean: i was wrong, angle, i said that's a race that i thought was much closer. interesting, the last three polls had her up by two, three,

now six points. you predicted -- let me ask new. now that they make this scurrilous charge, karl rove is going to join us, i'll let him respond on his own. to make this charge the end of the ad says and we'll show it later, stop stealing democracy somebody getting mugged at the end of the ad. to make that type of charge, go on cbs and say, do you have any evidence that it is not true? >> you know, the obama campaign -- >> sean: what do you think of that? >> the obama campaign refused to release its dough authorities under $100. >> sean: under $250. >> mccain campaign like the bush campaign released them. there's a threshold in the law i think it is $100, below that you are not required to release them many obama didn't. when he talks about foreign money there are persistent rumors of extensive foreign money that came into obama's

campaign. i have no proof of that and i wouldn't make the charge except for the fact that he's peddleing this with less prove. -- cunard with less prove. >> reporter: with the exception of core obama loyalists most elites have reached the same conclusion the white house is in over its head, isolated, arrogant clueless, about how to get along with kong -- held by executives, anchors, reporters who cover the white house goes on and on saying we've again right for three years. >> they've all left. they are leaving the sinking ship. by the way, i have fun everyday i get up in the morning and i take a blog on dickmorris.com about what is going on. today's blog was interesting.

the democrats think they are going to win latinos over immigration. the pew institute asked latinos how important is immigration to you? it came in sixth, 31%, jobs 58, health care 51. to think you can get latinos over immigration, just is not right. >> sean: all right. by the way, i think you get more plugs per segment -- >> well he would gotta a lot of work to do. >> sean: good to see u democratic congressman calls for a boycott of his state and now he runs against a real life rocket scientist. after the break we go live to kentucky. we check in with frank luntz and his focus group that will have reaction to the big senate debate showdown between paul and conway. that, karl rove and much more, straight ahead.

>> sean: arizona kongway is about to find out the hard way when you are running for reelection it is not a good idea to call for a both could the of your own state. despite venting a -- he's in serious jeopardy after he support add economic embargo of arizona to protest the state's immigration law. to make things worse the congressman happens to be running against an actual rocket scientist. i hope he enjoys his retirement. [ male announcer ] 100 potato chips or 100 pringles.

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>> sean: with three weeks left until the midterm he hreblgss we are eyeing a tight race in kentucky. polls show the match-up between paul and conway remains close. -- recent rasmussen poll has paul up 11 points on conway. the race a virtual tossup with only a two point lead for paul. these numbers could shift, depending on the outcome of a debate between the two held this evening. this was the second face-to-face meeting. frank luntz was there to watch all of it go down. joining me from louisville with a special hannity focus group of kentucky voters is the pollster president of the word doctors, the man himself, frank luntz. >> sean, we are going across the country trying to focus on what real voters have to say in this election campaign. we found ourselves in louisville.

tonight we did watch the debate. they turned it up or down based on whether they liked what they to say. red republicans, green democrats. the higher the lines the more favorable the reaction. our group liked what rand paul had to say. >> both sides have proved themselves untrustworthy, republicans and democrats. with the rule we are forced to make difficult decisions in kentucky we have a balanced budget amendment and they have to make tough decisions that's what we need. the second thing we need, a compromise, republicans and democrats, to say that the entire budget is open. we can't make military spending off-limits. we can't make entitlements off-limits, discretionary spending. the entire budget has to be looked at if we are serious about balancing the budget. >> there were rare times in this election cycle when republicans and democrats both

react favorably to what both candidates have to say. this is one of those times at the beginning of the debate. con way also created a favorable response when he talked about taxes. >> i'm an independent, kentucky democrat. i've broken with my party where appropriate. as attorney general i've taken on the pharmaceutical companies, the oil companies. i even had to take on my governor on the occasional issue. on the issue of taxes. i'm not like typical democrats i've said in time of recession it is no time to be raising taxes. let's extend the bush tax cut pro sroeurbgss and provisions regarding the -- vote visions and the provisions regarding the estate tax. >> small businesses need assurance from the federal tax code they can pass done a family business or farm to the next generation. that's the sense of what kentucky is about. >> o' >> sean: frank, i'm stunned. he sounds like a conservative. running as far from his party

as he can get. >> here's what is interesting. how many of you think conway -- rand paul is the more negative candidate in this campaign? who thinks conway is more negative, raise your hands. look, they are split 50/50 on who they support. what is it about this negativity coming from jack conway that bothers you? >> i hear a lot of this from politicians going back and forth. i'm a small business owner. i want better for my family. this is america i have the right to nail, to succeed. i had an opportunity to start an amway business. if the people supporting me are being taxed that hurts me. i want them to do well so i can do well. >> i'm a small business owner as well. i would rather hear a candidate that would fix the problem rather than fix blame. i see conway fixing blame.

>> con way the -- conway spent his opening statement attack, attack. paul didn't mention conway by name once i don't believe. >> i'm a small business owner as well. i feel the biggest thing that is going to make this election happen is listening to the small business owner. we make a lot of jobs in this country. we are being overlooked. it doesn't matter whether you are left wing or right wing, paul addressed that better than conway did. >> it is easy to do mudslinging it is harder to talk about things that you have gotten accomplished and that you intend to get accomplished. >> i don't believe democrats when they talk about tax cuts. they talk targeted tax cuts that makes them irrelevant to the majority of us. >> sean, interesting, you see a difference in the business community. i've always argued that the small business owner, the people that the u.s. chamber represent those people have been forgotten in politics.

it is clear that they are the ones these candidates should be talking to. >> sean: i'm listening and i hear -- we know that rand paul is a small government conservative and a tea party member. what is interesting to me, we nikonway will also support the democratic majority. likely to vote with the president often. likely to support harry reid as majority leader, should they maintain a majority. does that impact the votes of people in spite of him trying to sound as conservative as ectonight? >> the first vote -- that he can tonight? >> does the fact that rand paul would vote for harry reid >> sean: no, no conway. >> sorry that jack conway would support harry reid? >> yes, i'm a democrat. i would appreciate that. >> any impact for you?

>> yeah, negative impact, big one. >> negative impact, absolutely. >> yes, no, not to vote for harry reid or pelosi. >> let me ask you quickly. a word or phrase to describe nancy pelosi? >> i think she a puppet. >> west coast liberal. >> arrogant. >> unruly. >> untruce worthy. >> elitist. >> infreckive. >> a leader. >> one -- ineffective. >> a leader. >> one positive, the rest negative. kentucky is one of those states where harry reid and nancy pelosi are bringing down jack conway's campaign. you can hear it here. frustrated with nancy pelosi? >> yeah! >> you want her out? >> yeah! >> sean: much more with frank luntz and his focus group. democrats have unveiled the sleaziest ad of this campaign season targeted on karl rove

the architect. he is here with reaction. that and our american panel.

>> sean: we continue more with our focus group with frank luntz in kentucky. >> let's start with the ads. that's where these campaigns seem to start and stop. i want to play one of conway's ads. it was specific and explicit in attacking rand paul. and it didn't dial that well. >> announcer: more from ran paul. -- more from rand paul. rand paul wants us to pay $2,000 just to get medicare? that's crazy. i can't afford that. >> i don't know what planet

he's from. >> rand paul is often wall with a $2,000 deductible. >> the more we hear about rand paul the worse it gets. >> you got the issue now of conway attacking rand paul but not talking about where he stands. we've tested one of rafpbd paul's ads this is one of the most favor.÷w;l -- one of rand paul's ads this is one of the most favorable. >> how do we defeat the washington machine? send career politicians home by term limits. require congress to read the bill they vote on then stop wasteful spending by requiring a balanced budget by law. stop lobbyists from taking our tax dollars and using that money to lobby for more. expand our liberty by downsizing big government. i'm rand paul and a prove this message because government is the servant, not the master. >> we've got conway people

that want to be heard. >> there's this -- jack conway has held political office in kentucky for sometime. he has done things to where people can be critical of him. but he attacked the pharmaceutical companies. he went after the oil companies. rand paul is coming out of bowling green ain't got nothing but being an eye doctor for 27 years and done nothing political. >> rand paul says for the 2,000 deduct dibble most people on medicare are seniors. people that can't afford. how are you going to place a $2,000 deductible on people that can't an poured it -- can't afford it? >> the ads don't equate. apples and oranges. negative ad for conway and positive ad for rand paul. >> we've collected all of the ads, two different debates. i'm going to ask one more time to make it clear for everyone at home many you watched two

different debates. who was the more negative candidate? who says rand paul was the more negative candidate, raise your hands. one. who says that jack conway is the more negative candidate? including people voting for conway? >> i wanted to respond to the medicare thing. rand paul said that would not affect anybody on medicare currently that is something in the future. at last he's -- at least he's being proactive. when all the money is gone there is not going to be a debate. >> it will affect people on medicare currently. because it is going to be a $2,000 deductible that affects people on medicare. that is on medicare period. that means people on medicare currently and in the future. >> all we are doing is' scaring seniors. they do this he have reelection cycle. the point is, they are not going to just say $2,000 dub

age tomorrow, it's got to be grandfathered in -- it is going to take time to get it under control. to keep beating and beating it, at seniors that's wrong. >> sean you want to ask a question? >> sean: i do. i think the conway ad among democrats, his own party, his highest rating among democrats was 53. rand paul among democrats, republican, he got more democrats, i think up to a little over 70 at one point in his positive ad. so it seems to me based on the ads and the perception from tonight's debate that rand paul is in a very good position as of tomorrow, three weeks outside of this election. >> why do you think conway -- i've watch the discussion, why do you think conway has been going after paul? >> you can't take one clip out

like grayson did in florida. you got conway doing it here. one 10 second increment of a video and make a point, you can't do it. >> conway is mimicking clinton and obama and he's slick. the other guy he owns a business he's coming from grass roots. >> the other thing is that paul is taking a stand. he's offering suggestions which we hear on one side they keep complaining we are not hearing suggestion as soon as they do they attack them. >> i feel there's a section of videos that are not being displayed this evening by special interest groups that make paul more negative than conway and we didn't see those. >> i think the country doesn't like career politicians. >> i think conway is like a lot of other democrats around the country. he has been behind, he's trying to catch up and he's not going to say he's behind obama's policies. >> i got one last question.

there's only 20 days left. do you want them to say what's wrong with their opponents or what is right with themselves? >> what's right with themselves! >> almost unanimous. sean there's a message these candidates should be listening to. in the closing days, hours of the campaign they should be focused on what they are for not what their opponents are against that's the way the american people want them. am i correct? >> yes! >> listen to the american people. >> sean: always listen to the people. frank luntz appreciate you. some forget they are there to serve the american people. >> coming up, democrats are targeting karl rove in a vicious new attack ad. here's here to spoken. >> one candidate aiming his fire at president obama in an effort to win votes. we'll tell you about his new campaign message. that and much more coming up. [ air traffic controller ] okay, 245, proceed to your next cleared altitude.

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democratic ranks, because their attacks are getting more desperate. the dnc is out with a new ad that according to the baltimore sunsets a new low. one of its targets is my next guest, karl rove. >> announcer: kaefl rove, ed gillespie, bush cronies, the u.s. chamber of commerce, shields where figure business and stealing our democracy. spending millions from secret donors to elect republicans to do their bidding in congress. it appears they've even taken secret foreign money to influence our elections. it is incredible. republicans benefiting from secret foreign money. tell the bush crowd and chamber of commerce, stop stealing our democracy. >> sean: joining me with reaction karl rove. welcome back. >> thanks for having me. >> sean: you had harsh words to say about this weekend. i want to give youxú more time to go into specific detail.

you say the charges are false and outrageous and you are upset about them. >> i think is stupid on the white house's part. i'm not the only one who has been saying there is no proof of this. "the new york times" ran a story saturday morning in which they said the white house could produce no proof for its charge. cbs sunday morning had on david axelrod and axelrod said, in essence i don't have proof. he said is that the best you could come up? >> sean: i got that cut. let's roll that tape. >> this part about foreign money, that appears to be peanuts, mr. axelrod. do you have any evidence that it is anything other than peanuts? >> do you have any evidence it is not bob? >> i guess i would put it this way, if the only charge three weeks into the election that the democrats can make is that somehow this may or may not be foreign money coming into the campaign, is that the best you

can do? >> sean: that was one of the funniest moments i've seen on the sunday show, good for bob schieffer. >> fact check came out with an article saying foreign money really. the journalist brooks jackson said accuse anybody of violating the law is a serious matter requiring serious evidence to back it up. so far democrats have produced none. this is an attempt to mislead the american people. to draw their attention from the news that came out last week that it is really bad for the democrats. there are a couple of numbers that explain why they are out there alleging something for which they have not one scintilla of evidence. they -- in september the american economy shed 95,000 jobs, unemployment rate is 9.6%. if the department -- if the white house thinks it can take attention from those numbers by running phony ads and

stirring up controversy they are kidding themselves. gallup came out this afternoon with new numbers on the generic ballot low turnout scenario republicans have a 56-39 advantage. low turnout 53-41 advantage that is nearly twice as big as the gap was in 1994. this is all about the white house thinking the american people are so stupid as to care more about this made-up controversy than about the economy and jobs and the failed stimulus and spending and deficits and obamacare. >> sean: there were people pointing out the same thing. almost like a moving target. it seems like they are trying to throw everything they can up against the wall in the hopes something sticks. last week fox news, pharmaceutical industry, health care, talk radio, rush limbaugh, sean hannity now it is karl rove and ed gillespie.

what are they trying to accomplish except make a long term distraction? >> that's it. they have a low opinion of the american people. they think the american people going to care more about this phony issue that they've dummied up with no evidence. than the american people care about these things which are driving the election. look, there's a bunker mentality inside the white house. a belief that by creating some enemy, taking a page and creating an enemy couple weeks ago i was john boehner, rush limbaugh, they've attacked the tea parties. none of this has worked. changing the names of the people they are act tag. the chamber bearing the brunt of this, they are trying to intimidate the chamber into inaction and they are not going to succeed. one thing about gillespie it is clear from looking at that footage they are trying to imply it is ed gillespie mugging that woman in that .

i want to say that is despicable they would suggest ed gillespie would be mugging that woman in the garage. >> sean: it seep you are unpatriotic -- it seems you are unpatriotic. we look at the words they say. basically saying stop stealing our democracy. [ talking over each other ] >> sean: here's my point on this. these are incendiary false charges. axelrod forcing people to disprove, when did you stop beating your wife and raping the innocent -- >> it is worse than that. the president made this charge on the basis of a blog posting by think progress. which is an organization affiliated with the center for american progress headed by john podesta, a 501c-4 that does not report donors. the president benefited from campaign spending by outside

groups most of which do not report their donors. american association of retired persons, league of conservation voters, national resources defense -- barack obama ran a campaign in which he did not produce the names of donors, i believe under $250 or maybe under $100, amounting to tens of millions of donations that he hid. he could have voluntarily produced those names at -- as the bush campaign did. -- they refused to produce their donors. how hypocritical is that? >> sean: extremely. the purpose of the law so that information would not be used to intimidate people with the threat of an audit, investigation? >> absolutely. upheld in a 1958 case involving an attempt by the

state of alabama to get the donors to the naacp the supreme court said under the law -- we are doing what democratic organizations like moveon.org across the panoply of the left did for years and years it was okay when they did it, when republicans and conservatives start to do it, it becomes a threat to democracy. how hypocritical is that? this is all about hoping the american people are so stupid as to think this thing trumps the failure of the administration to create jobs and control spending and get the deficit under control and the failure of the administration to pass a health care that will pass the approval of the american people. >> sean: karl rove, strong response. we appreciate you giving it here. >> when we come back our great, great american panel. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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>> sean: tonight on our panel, best selling author doug schoen. board member of resurge agent republic leslie sanchez is here. he's a republican congressional candidate from illinois robert dold. you are running for kirk's seat who is running against giannoulias in that race and barack obama is nervous because he keeps going in. you remember doug, when

clinton got very angry they played the race card on me he accused the obama administration. we now know they planned on doing this from the beginning. remember that allegation? >> i do in the south carolina primary. i thought it was outrageous then. i think it is outrageous now. as pat caddell and i have argued, a pattern of behavior by president obama, sadly. >> sean: i asked in light of comments the president made this weekend trying to demonize fox and the tea party movement and big business and anybody he can, class warfare. here's what he said in philly this weekend. >> the president: they are counting on your silence. they are counting on your amnesia. they are counting on your apathy. they are counting on young people staying home. and union members staying home. and black folks staying home and middle class families staying home. >> sean: folks staying home does that cross the line? >> i don't think it crosses the line.

class-based politics ineffective. we are one nation and we should be working together to create jobs to fix the health care program and move america forward. if we don't work together we all lose and the democrats lose especially. it is very sad. and i think it is wrong. >> good words of wisdom. the truth is it is the mother's milk of the democrats's party. >> clinton? >> it didn't happen. >> i would argue. [ laughing ] >> sean: what do you think? >> i think what people need to be focusing on are jobs and the economy. my district heavy african-american they are concerned about jobs and economy. it is beneath the president. >> sean: he wants to generate enthusiasm among the base. "saturday night live" seemed to be obsessed with conservative women.

>> hi, i'm christine o'donnell, and i'm not a witch. i'm nothing like you've heard. i'm you. and just like you, i have to constantly deny that i'm a witch. i know the problems facing our nation, because i've been living among you. since i moved to delaware from the black forest of germany, almost 3,000 years ago. so this november 2nd, vote for christine o'donnell, al-qaeda is -- -- a/k/a, the entrantre is s i am not a witch if and if i am, do you really want to cross me? >> sean: does that hurt, does that help? >> the standard use to be if you made johnny carson you really hit pop culture. who benefits. tina fey became a rock star because of her portrayal of

sarah palin. but got to take it tongue-in-cheek it is funny. >> they did the same thing to david patterson. he learned to laugh at it too late. christine o'donnell i think has reacted the right way. it is part of our democracy. and we all should have a good laugh. >> sean: i hear they are going after you next. >> they already are. not "saturday night live" mayo known trying to talk about things that are not jermaine to what is going on. -- not germane to what is going on. >> sean: rick sanchez with a liberal point of view, i was reading he was so angry that jon stewart went after him. jon stewart goes after me a lot more. i don't care. >> gloria allred, liberals go after liberals. >> sean: if you are in the public eye and not willing to get beat up once in a while -- >> don't google yourself,

don't read it and learn to laugh. >> sean: i don't. >> i twitter. >> there's no good news when -- [ talking over each other ] >> the difference is now it is -- [ talking over each other ] >> sean: if you read it, you are going to get depressed. you are going to think about it. my mind needs to be free so i can think about attacking liberals! >> we to stop attacking and try to come together. >> sean: no, i want to attack liberals. defeating liberalism, we solve our problems. >> if we all work together we solve our problems. >> sean: if we get rid of liberals, we solve our problems. >> most of them are going to lose this time any way. >> sean: good.

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>> sean: we continue. remember we had the incident where the shoe was thrown at president bush he ducks and ducks again and he dodges it. it didn't get as much press. there was a book where the president was in philly this weekend that thrown at the president. you got to watch closely, watch the book. did i miss it? where is it? there it goes. first of all, look we've got to protect our elected officials this is the president of the united states. but the difference is the press coverage to me between that and president bush, what did you think? >> our president. frankly anybody that tries to do anything along those lines we need to take that seriously. the fact there was something tossed at the president i think is alarming the press isn't covering that. >> that is alarming.

this demands everybody's attention that's not the way public discourse should go. this week the presidential seal fell during one of his speeches. >> sean: very symbolic. >> it was covered immediately and went on the wire and you saw pictures and video. >> one of the reasons why i want unity even in the face of bad policies is because we have to lower the temperature. we can't have an incendiary climate. >> sean: you say that and we were kidding around the last segment. doug, things are so bad this president has failed on such a high level, in terms of the record debt, record deficit, failed health care bill, you talk about incendiary language and him going out there and throwing one bomb after another -- >> i agree, but both sides have an obligation. >> sean: give me the comparable example of the republicans except they oppose socialism in america and they want to go back to our first

principles -- >> when john boehner yells hell no repeatedly -- >> sean: i say hell no to -- >> we all got together to talk about a job strategy that would put people to work. both parties sean. >> sean: republicans are not perfect. they spent too much they got fired. this president has tripled what they spent. >> but given where we stand the crisis we face here andover cease it is owed to us to do something together. >> sean: how do you get socialism and capitalism to come into a room and agree? i don't get it! >> the problems are too serious not to. >> sean: that is a bit of a platitude, can't we all just get along that great philosopher, rodney king. where was evan bayh, where were any of these guys?

>> i tried to speak up. caddell tried to speak up. >> sean: two! >> bottom line when we go into the lame duck session and the next congress we need a bipartisan strategy otherwise the american people will be the losers. you've seen it on the campaign trail. >> very difficult for conservative democrats too. >> sean: the blue dog lap dogs. >> unions go after them. >> i can tell you on the campaign trail people are concerned about jobs and the economy ii frankly it has taken 20 months, three weeks from the election and all of a sudden he wants to solve it now sun >> sean: it is such a great -- a great divide. >> there's compromise that could be done to extend the bush tax cuts -- >> sean: the president won't extent the bush tax cuts. >> a number of democrats, in the house and senate who -- >> sean: believe it or not

they got an extension in new york for military ballots sent out they were supposed to be sent, they got an extension until october 1st, and they still haven't sent the ballots to our military. disinfranchising 340,000 military voters in new york. that is criminal in my view. that we would do that. should we extend the voting deadline for them now? >> not at all. it takes 45 days. we saw this happened in 2008. it happens across the country. >> sean: should we insist their votes are counted? >> of course. >> this is a dereliction of duty on the part of new york. they for -- for every state cross the union, 2012, it is november 6th, let's prepare now the fact we are not getting this to our men and women in harm's way -- >> sean: heart word doug. >> i think there's inept feud. but we have to vote this time, --