"the o'reilly factor" is next. we'll break right in with any developing news from the mine in chile. hope you and your family have a great night. stay tuned for history. >> bill: "the o'reilly factor" is on. tonight: >> i always told you it was gonna be hard. >> i always told you it was going to take time ♪ time, oh give me time. >> bill: time may be running out for the democrats. new polling shows a possible republican route in three weeks. and far left george soros says is he giving up on the election. >> okay, moving on. >> bill: we have a number of reports. >> i'm optimistic person because i have seen democracy triumph. >> bill: condoleezza rice has a new book and we'll ask her a key question. is the world a more dangerous place since she left office? >> shut up! shut up! [ laughter ] >> bill: also tonight public school teacher in tennessee breaks down in front of his

class. john stossel will take a look at chaos in the classroom. >> do you know who started the fire in this school? me. >> bill: caution, you are about to enter no spin zone, the factor begins right now. >> bill: hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us us tonight. more bad news for the democratic party. that's the subject of this evening's talking points memo. george soros says he is now going to stand down from the upcoming election. he told the media he doesn't want to get in the way of a, quote, avalanche. mr. soros apparently believes the republicans are going to rout the democrats three weeks from tonight but i don't believe george soros. i think he will continue pouring tens of millions of dollars into organizations like move on that try to verbally assassinate republican candidates. let's start with connecticut where president obama has lost a stunning six percentage points

off job approval rating in just 10 days according to a new fox news poll. first time in connecticut first approval ratings lower than approval. linda mcmahon has pulled within six points of democratic challenger blumenthal. in ohio the situation is bloody for the democrats. president obama's job approval rating has fallen to 33%. 8% disapprove. that means there will likely be a landslide for the republicans in the buckeye state. in nevada, president obama's disapproval rate stands at 55%, just 40% approving. that's why sharron angle leads senator harry reid by 2 points. in the very liberal state of washington, senate republican candidate dean rossi pass huld ahead of democrat patty murray by one point. one of the few bright spots for democrats is delaware where mr. obama's approval rating is 48%. disapproval 45. in the senatorial contest coons

leads christine o'donnell 54% to 38%. looks like karl rove could be right about delaware. there is also uneasiness about the direction of the country. today in paris, france, thousands of people protested the french's government's attempt to raise the retirement age from 60 to 62. you can believe this madness. france is financially under water just like america. so it's looking for ways to save money. but these loans won't even give their country two years. pathetic. talking points submits that most americans see scenes like this and get angry. most workers here would consider 62 an early retirement. and it is an entitlement mentality the democrats have been pushing. but most americans are self-reliant people. they don't want the nanny state. they don't want to be like france and other european uncan tries. it seems like president obama admires those societies thus the gulf between he and many americans. that combined with the bad economy has created the

avalanche to which george soros referred. that's the memo. now for the top story tonight, reaction with us barack and hard place duo monica crowley and alan colmes. colmes, what do you think of those poll numbers. >> the owe denial thing. look how wide the gap is in delaware and, yet, the gap, the president presidential numbers are much closer. you can't always predict by what the president's poll numbers are and by the way as you know president obama is on a part where reagan was at this point in his presidency and clinton was in his presidency. ahead of them and those presidents got reelected. >> bill: why does george soros believe it's going to be after lanch. >> he is putting his money into certain causes: he is like the big boogie man. >> exactly. >> excuse me. exactly we know who soros the donor is. not all secret stuff the republicans are doing. why is it when soros gives money it's bad. and when he doesn't give money, it's bad.

let's knock him for giving it. >> bill: i don't knock him for giving money but what the organizations do with the money he gives them is pretty vicious. >> we have all this secrecy on the right. we don't know what the chamber of commerce. we don't know where the foreign money is coming. let's have transparency. >> bill: this is what your tombstone is going to read. here lies alan colmes justifies bad behavior by pointing to bad behavior. >> double standard hope you come to the funeral. >> bill: when is it going to be, colmes? >> might be after tonight i might strangle him. when you talk about the poll numbers, midterm elections are usually referenda sitting president what the country thinks about his policies. collective protest vote against all of obama's policies at least most of them anyway. think about it stimulus, obama care, cap and trade, the lawsuit against the arizona illegal immigration law. the ground zero mosque, civilian trials for terrorists, in each

and every one of those instances, the big obama legislative and political achievements, 70% of the american people oppose what he has done or what he stands for. >> bill: do you say it's all over three weeks out? you were a little cautious in september. are you now saying it is going like soros says an avalanche. >> it does look like it will be a of a lancaster. did he not become a billionaire by becoming stupid. bill i don't like to count my chickens before they hatch. i'm lowering the bar. >> bill: chickens in this race. >> they are all on the democratic side. >> i want to see you on the right pumping up your chest how much of a rout it's going to be. >> bill: calm down, colmes. [ laughter ] >> bill: what did you think yesterday of bob schieffer saying to david axelrod is that all you got? are you trumping up this chamber of commerce thing. is that all you got? >> it's a big issue. look, the democrats what's calling for transparency. >> bill: what did you think of schieffer doing that.

>> that's his job to ask challenging questions like you do. that's what he does: are you equating him with me. >> i would not equate anybody with you mr. o'reilly, would i? >> bill: i was a little surprised that he was giving axle ride -- >> -- cbs part of the left-wing media? >> bill: bob schieffer is a pretty liberal guy. >> everybody over there is a left winger, right? >> bill: almost. not everybody. >> except for you everybody is left winger. >> bill: i'm not over there anymore. >> i have net bob shear a couple of times. he is a very nice guy. fairly liberal guy. >> he was trying to help axelrod. >> bill: he was trying to help him? >> trying to say to him in so many words, dude, you have got 10% unemployment rate going. you have got a stagnant economy. you have zero -- >> bill: get off and get on to something else. >> what in god's name are you focusing on this obscure issue. >> bill: i want to get this clear. you think he was trying to help axelrod by humiliating him. >> well, by trying to say is

this all you have because this is not where the nation is the nation is worried about the economy. >> keep going. >> bill: i don't know if i can buy that one. colmes, when you see people like patty murray in washington state, all right, and even in connecticut, a linda mcmahon closing within six. >> she is not going to win. >> bill: i wouldn't -- i think that you are probably right there. connecticut is democratic machine, pretty tough. gubernatorial candidate the dem is out in front. but 6 point drop in 10 days. >> people there clearly anti-incumbency fever. people want split government. they want to see not one party rule. i think that's what we are seeing. >> bill: just in connecticut, what do you attribute the six point drop in ten days to? what did obama do in ten days. >> economic election. >> bill: it's been economic election for the last year. >> when you put out obama's poll numbers, obama turned his candidacy and his presidency into a occult personality. all of these democratic

candidates are rising and falling on obama and his policies. and now you are seeing races like the one in connecticut really tightening up. you want to know why? specific to connecticut. linda mcmahon turned to him in the debate last week and said how do you create a job? dick blumenthal could not answer that question. he stumbled around for two minutes without being able to ain't most basic question. >> you got thiessen narrows where you show tna and have these smiley suggestive scenes in a world wrestling federation. >> come on, alan. she created a highly successful business. >> bill: she employed a lot of people. you may not like it. >> that's family values. >> bill: there you go. barack and a hard place. next on the run down, a story that may make you angry. the general electric corporation received 25 million in federal stimulus money but let thousands of workers go. charles krauthammer taking a look. later, former secretary of state condoleezza rice will be here. is the world more dangerous now than when she left office? right back. here, kitty. here, kitty.

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>> bill: impact segment tonight, a situation that made be pause. in 2009 the general electric corporation generated 156 billion with a b dollars in revenue. obviously an enormous number. g.e. also received 25 million bucks in government stimulus money, our tax dollars. however, g.e. let 18,000 workers go last year after getting the money. how does that add up? we asked fox news political commentator charles krauthammer to assess the situation. he joins us now from washington. we have coming up behind you senator coal -- coal burn about a billion dollars possibly wasted in haiti. he is coming after you. what i can't understand and you are much smarter than i am as everyone knows. why would we give g.e. $25 million in the first place when they're generating an enormous amount of money. they don't need stimulus

package. >> look, that 25 million was not an act of charity. the fact that g.e. one of the largest corporations on earth in the middle of one of the worst recessions in seven years would shed jobs and try to get lean is not news. that's what every business, large, small, and medium has been doing. and the fact that g.e. got $25 million is meaningless. do you know how -- you are a harvard guy. you can do the math. that is 1/3 of one one hundred of 1% of the stimulus. >> bill: here is what i would have done if i were jeffrey immelt the ceo of g.e. i wouldn't have taken a nickel of taxpayer money if i knew i was going to lay off people. how does that look? even though it's a minuscule amount compared to the trillions of dollars the government dolled out in the face of the recession, it's still 25 million. then thea they lay off 18,000 people. the folks are going, what is

this? >> i'll tell you what it is. if you are the head of a corporation, you you have fiduciary obligation to try to maximize your profits and to make the corporation a going affair. if you have to shed jobs in a recession like everybody has to, you go ahead and do you it. >> bill: don't take the government's money. >> the government comes along and offer you a check thank you i will take it. >> bill: a lot of companies wouldn't do that. >> then i'm not sure i would want to hold their stock. >> bill: what about the moral responsibility that g.e. has to the taxpayer? >> look, if the government believes that it has to spend a trillion dollars and you and i oppose the stimulus, i think it was almost complete waste of money, it will not leave a trace, unlike what happened in the great depression when we have the hoover dam and tva and the interstate highway system and the space program in the 50s. this is not going to leave a trace. i was against it i think it's the wrong way to stimulate an

economy. nonetheless, the democrats won the election. and they had control of the house and senate and they decided to smend the money. if it's going to be spent and you are the head of the corporation and the government offers you in one of your divisions, let's say a green project, i think it's all nonsense, but if the government offers you that you take it. why not? that's what business is about. >> bill: then you lay off 18,000. >> that's not connected to the money. it's -- >> bill: the appearance of greedy big corporation letting the little guy go out the door when they they are getting taxpayer money. >> look, look, look. hold on one second. you have know the fallacy there go hawk you are the harvard man, meaning if x happens before y it doesn't mean x caused y. there is no connection between stimulus money thrown thrown out of an airplane sprinkled all over america where a minuscule amount lands on g.e. g.e. shedding jobs which is what

every company has to do in a recession. >> bill: g.e. is widely perceived to be maybe erroneously maybe to be in the pocket of president obama. the nbc news arm obviously promoted his election and some might say cynical people well, look, it's payback time. they are getting a bunch of green contracts. they are getting the 25 million, even though it's not much, it's still 25 million. it's really pay back time. do you see it that way. >> if you are going to sell your soul you don't sell it for a happy meal without the fries. a, it's a trivial amount of money. >> bill: contracts aren't. >> b so ideologically inclined in that case and that's why they built nbc, msnbc, the web site, all of this as a way to amplify a left-wing pro-obama message, then why did he sell it? if he already it had he sold it to comcast. >> bill: it failed. not doing that well. >> is comcast which has now purchased it also left wing and

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>> bill: factor follow up segment tonight. as we reported last friday less than 15% of the money that the world pledged to haiti after this massive earthquake has reached the nation. and right now congress is sitting on about $1 billion pledged by the obama

administration. when asked about this, the administration points to oklahoma senator come coburn who has put a hold on the money and senator coburn joins us now from tulsa. so, what -- very simply, what's going on here, senator? i mean, you know, you have got a 1.5 million people living in the streets of haiti. nothing has been accomplished since the earthquake earlier this year. what's going on here? >> well, i think really some poor reporting on the part of the a.p. let me give you kind of three points on it number one, i don't ever hold anything in secret. i'm the only one in the senate that always admits to what i'm holding. and i send every senator a list at the beginning of the year that if, in fact, you are going to try to pass a bill by union must consent which means it doesn't get debated or amended that i, of course in, will object unless you have off set set the cost. that was a kerry billion $500 billion which was brought for unanimous consent. they knew i would object.

that doesn't have to do with the 1.1 billion that hadn't gotten there yet. the 1.1 billion that hadn't got therein is entirely the responsibility of the state department. it has already been appropriated. it was appropriated. >> bill: i don't want to get too confusing you say the state department has $1.1 billion in their budget that could go to haiti at any time. >> well, they have to meet the requirements of the emergency supplemental bill that appropriated that money, which is you have got to say how are you going to make sure the money doesn't get wasted and how are you going to give us the bench marks for metrics that you are measuring. >> bill: secretary clinton has not been able to meet that measure? >> oh, she did this week. >> bill: how long does it take? >> well, it's been months. it's been months since we passed the supplemental funding bill that had $1.1 billion in it for haiti. >> bill: this week she met the measure when is it going over to hatey. >> i'm sure whenever they want to release it.

>> bill: whenever the secretary of state wants to release it. >> once the money is appropriated all they had to do is say here is our plan, it's free. so the hold-up hasn't been congress. it's been the department of state. >> bill: you are saying that secretary of state clinton is the problem, not you. >> well, there are two different bills, bill. >> bill: i'm talking about the 1.1 billion that the state department. >> it passed. that has nothing to do. that was a requirement of the appropriations committee. i don't set on it i don't have anything to do with it. >> bill: we'll have to call mrs. clinton's office and see if she agrees with you. the other 500 million are you holding that up. >> sure. speaker: it's new spending. it hasn't been off set. the reason we are $13.5 trillion in debt. we created a new program. >> bill: not just unfunded you will add more to the deficit. >> we refused to make priorities for this country. and i don't let any bill out of the senate that's an authorizing bill -- unless they want to bring it to the floor. if they want to bring it to the floor and let me have a chance to amend it and debate it, i'm happy to do that.

>> bill: the argument is that you are the mean guy because people are dying and suffering in haiti and you are not going to send the 500 million because it's unfunded. and you answer that? >> well, this 500 million isn't for housing. this is for infrastructure only. >> bill: you know what i'm talking about. it's chaos over there. they haven't gotten the money -- they haven't gotten the private money. we're talking to the clinton initiative people. we want to find out what's holding that up. the hollywood celebrities who asked everybody for money all day long and americans as always responded generously. they won't come back and say where is the money. the foreign nations haven't ponied up 15%. that's nothing. and the united states is holding up 1.1 for whatever reason, you say hillary clinton. and you are north going to fund it, you know, you are not going to send it if it's not funded. >> well, there are two different -- no, it's not a mess. we have already sent almost a billion dollars down there. >> bill: what has it accomplished. >> you have to talk to u.s. ik

ik -- id and the secretary of state. >> bill: you are a stand up guy. tell me what that $1 billion we have sent to that country has accomplished? what. >> i can tell you everything else we do through the state department. it's highly ineffective and wasteful. >> bill: you think we have wasted a billion dollars in aid. i can't see any difference and i fund the haitian health foundation which i know does good work. they tell me all this money from the u.s. government bum kiss, nothing. another billion down the train. >> i can't comment because i haven't been down there. i know we have spent almost a billion dollars down there already. >> bill: shouldn't we send somebody down there to tell the folks. >> you bet. >> bill: that's a billion dollars. >> that's exactly what's wrong with our government. there is no metrics, there is no oversight. >> bill: put together a trip for you, me and couple of people. do you want to go down. >> i have done medical missionary work.

>> bill: you are a doctor. >> you bet. >> bill: let me try to get with the clinton people and try to figure this out. you would agree with me right now this is just disgraceful and not working, right? >> i'm saying we haven't sent the money effectively to help the people of haiti. >> bill: all right, senator. thanks very much. we appreciate it plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. hard news desk will have update on the rescue of the miners in chile. come back with duke co-ed who publicly exposed students she slept with. is it legal investigating. viewer warning on this. condoleezza rice will be here. is the world a more dangerous place since she left office? we hope you stay tuned to those reports. >> shepard: and breaking news now, i'm shepard smith in new york. back to o'reilly in a moment. first, the rescue of 33 chilean miners is about to get underway. a live look now at the san jose mine where we're told the workers are now putting the rescue capsule into position as you can see and doing final

preparation. first one out sprnd to be florencio avalos celebrated 31st birthday underground. this is the a couple siewl that will bring fresh air. has audio and video to keep tabs on the men on the half hour ride up. oxygen masks, monitors to check vital signs and harness in case they faint. trapped for 6 days. getting out a lot sooner than first predicted. remember when they said the men could be trapped until christmas. again, the rescue of 33 chilean miners about to begin. it's its history in the making. we will have live coverage throughout the night and early morning here on fox news channel. a commercial break. then the factor continues. ...with good driver discounts, multi-car discounts, defensive driver discounts... woman: you! oh, don't act like you don't recognize me! toledo, '03? gecko: no, it's...i... woman: it's too late stanley. gecko: actually, miss, my name's not stanley. woman: oh...oh, i am so sorry! from behind you look just like him. i'm just....

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>> bill: she had to know that wasn't -- if you are one of the people that this woman, guilfoyle, mentions, in very explicit detail, you can sue? >> well, you can say that it was invasion of privacy but ultimately you will not prevail, unfortunately. this is a case where this woman has embarrassed these people with no regard. i don't think she is so innocent in this. she is now getting film offers, literary agents after her, the whole thing. the act that she says was so innocent and she sent to three friends and so sorry that went viral. i don't buy it. >> bill: so here you have how many, 13? >> 13 boys. >> bill: 13 boys. she puts their pictures and she says stuff about them very intimate stuff about them. some good. some bad. all right? their hold up of objects of derision because everybody in the world can access. >> unless you were rated 9 out of 10. >> bill: it doesn't matter. >> shepard: there is breaking news now on fox news channel. i'm shepard smith in new york. here you see the capsule which

is about to be lowered down into the mine in copiapo, chile to rescue of the first of the miners who have been trapped down there for 68 long days. here is what we will be witnessing. first a coordinator something lowered. it's my understanding that the coordinator is either in that capsule or about to be put in that capsule to be lowered down into the mine. after that, the shaft will come back up. and when it does, an emergency medical technician will be lowered. then, the first of the miners themselves will be brought out of the mine. producers in the booth, it's my understanding that there is a rescue worker in this capsule now? do we know? a rescue worker went into that capsule just a moment ago as you were watching on the left-hand side of the screen and will be placed in there again, that's our understanding. we have been watching through many of the evening hours now as it's an hour later than eastern time there. so 9:32 p.m. in chile. they have been testing this thing over and over and over

again. but it's our understanding that this is about to be the moment where they lower this coordinator as they have described him to us down into the mine to begin the process. well, what happens first is the coordinator gets down there and begins to organize the men. after that they will send down an emergency medical technician. he will evaluate them all. then it's our understanding that a man named florencio avalos will be the first to come out of that mine. he celebrated his 31st birthday recently in the mine. he has a couple of kids down there. and he will be the first to see freedom. we know who the first four will be but we don't know who the last will be. they haven't been specific about that yet. except that we know eagle -- he'll be the one who will largely be the hero of this thing as he will have been trapped inside a mine beneath the earth's surface for the longest period of time of any man in the history -- in the history of this world. chilean officials preparing to lower two rescuers almost a half mile into the collapsed mine as

the precursor to the fresh air and freedom for the 33 men who have been trapped in there for 68, 69 days. no one in history has been trapped so long and survived. it appeared to me that there was no rescuer inside the shaft at that moment. but apparently they are testing it again. while it was laid down on its side, the man did get in and i guess they were testing this and that earlier they lowered this shaft or the rescue capsule to within 40 feet of the men who were trapped some 2300 feet beneath the earth's surface. chilean officials say that no -- i have a quote now from the president there. sebastian -- he said we made a promise never to surrender and we keep it. waiting to greet the miners is the president and, of course, all of their family members and other loved ones. the mining minister there says that the paramedic will be descending to start the rescue of the 33 miners about 10:00 local time or :00 eastern

daylight time. so about 25 minutes from now. two hours later than what the president sebastian had previously announced. our colleagues at sky news in the united kingdom are providing -- we own that network as well. they are providing audio translation. let's listen. >> a town square. copiapo town near here with people waving chilean flags watching it on a big screen. one can only multiply that a thousand times across this country up and down this extraordinary country chileans will be watching this. their fingers crossed. their hearts in their mouths. every single move that dictates progress is treated as another step in the right direction. such as the intense hope collectively in this population that this works. you can see them now pulling on the cable, making an effort to keep the cable away from the sides of the shaft. make sure it travels down the middle as much as possible.

i think that's something that's become a point of discussion there on the rescue ramp. they want to see what they can do about this issue of the cabling against the side of the tunnel for that first hundred meters or so before it gets to what they have nicknamed the water fall where it suddenly goes from 11 degrees down to virtual. that steel pipe there half inch steel pipe all the way around 70 meters across, not much wider than a man's shoulders. cemented in hard there. they wanted to do a full hundred meters with that metal casing. for reasons we think to one getting one 15-meter link of tube getting jammed. they elected to go with just 56 meters. there was an original plan as well to line the entire tunnel with steel casing. they brought in on a low loader enough casing to do that, but that was one of three options, not to line it at all, put down

100 meters or put down the full 600. i think it became a tight fit and they decided to call it quits at 56 meters. but, still, it wouldn't go ahead unless they thought they had a good chance at success. i can't help but feel we're getting very close now to the beginning of this operation proper. the full list, the order of the miners, one 33 has now been released. too many names to absorb at once. we have got that list of names now. weave do know the order. that young 31-year-old florencio coming first. his brother coming 21st. and as expected, bringing up the rear, the last man planned to come up louis azur. the man they call the don. the guy in charge. he has been doing this for years. he was the natural leader through this 68, almost 69 day process. he was the man who got the guys

to ration their food the moment the mines collapsed, convinced that someone on the surface would figure a way of getting down to them. dennis, what are your impressions looking at this now? there is a wench. there is quite a good shot. we haven't seen that of the wench. what's your impression of what they are doing now. >> that's exactly what we were discussing. i don't want to make too much of it. >> shepard: there you go. they were trying to test to see what they could do about the drag of that cable along the side of the shaft. for the first 100 or so meters, it's my understanding or feet. so they are now working that problem out. we expect by the top of the hour that this rescue will begin in earnest. so, since we know that we will send you back to the o'reilly factor. you won't miss a moment. stay tuned. thanks for staying with us. the former secretary of state condoleezza rice has a new book out called "extraordinary

ordinary people" a memoir of family. which chronicles her personal story, culminating in her becoming one of the most powerful women in the world as secretary of state. dr. rice joins us now. before we get to your book, madam secretary, is the world a more dangerous place two years after you left office. >> the world was most dangerous in 2001 when we didn't have a net to deal with terrorism. i think in that sense we made it a safer place from the time we were in office. but iran is closer to a nuclear weapon, that's more dangerous. north korea seems somewhat unstable with nuclear capability. that makes the world more dangerous. but, in fact, you are always dealing with circumstances that are very difficult for a united states that has to lead. >> bill: it doesn't seem like we can get through to the iranians it would ignite world war iii. >> i don't think anybody wants to take action. what happened in the streets of tehran in june of 2009 gives us an opening. this is actually a very weak

regime in many ways. weak economy and regime that is now at each other's throats. it would be awfully good to see. >> bill: kind of a race against time though, right? >> it's a race against time. no doubt. better to take that race at this point in time. i don't think anybody really wants to contemplate military action. the president should never take that off the table. >> bill: afghanistan could go either way. >> afghanistan could go either way. it was always going to be hard. poorest country in the world. >> bill: when you left office, i don't think you could predict how bad it had gotten. >> no, i think that in large part relates to what happened in pakistan. the deals made with the terrorist in the northwest frontier. i have a lot of confidence in david petraeus. i have a lot of confidence that if we. >> bill: how about hillary clinton? >> hillary clinton is someone i have known for a long, long time. she a patriot. i think she is doing a lot of the right things.

>> bill: is she doing what you can are you different in styles. >> of course we are different in styles. we are different people. i don't watch every day surprisingly, bill. obviously we come from different background. i come have a background as a specialist in international politics. >> bill: she is tough though. >> she is very tough. >> bill: she is no dove. she is tougher than obama. >> she has the right instincts, i think -- >> bill: you are pleased with that. >> i think she is doing a fine job. i really do. >> bill: i don't know whether you heard senator coburn say she is holding up a billion dollars to haiti. that's a mess. >> i wouldn't even presume to comment about something that i don't know the insides of. it's always difficult between the congress and the state department when one is talking about money. >> bill: okay. all right. let's get to the book now extraordinary-ordinary people. what struck me and i haven't finished it is the intensity of your upbringing in alabama in civil rights days when you had two parents in the home, okay? your father was a preacher, right. >> presbyterian minister and high school guidance counselor at the same time.

>> bill: tough parents on you. >> they weren't certify ford parents i was a happy child. >> they held to you a high standard. >> they did, indeed. >> bill: that's tough. when you are in a family and you have to perform as a child, had you to perform. >> but i didn't feel that way about it i felt that they were giving me every possible opportunity. i was taking advantage of some and not of others. >> bill: you kroncke, they structured -- you correct me if i am wrong, they structured your day had you to learn the pena. >> piano. >> bill: had you to do this stuff you weren't allowed like i was, i wasn't allowed i just did it you weren't a little thug -- a thugette? >> i was actually a little tom boy. >> bill: your parents shaped you. >> they shaped me but they allowed me -- i was the one who wanted to play the piano. i was the one who wanted to figure skate. i was the one who would run around and jump on their bed and turn in t. into a trampoline from time to time. i thought we had a wonderful

relationship. what my parents did was to say that you cannot control your circumstances in segregated alabama but you can control how you respond to them. >> bill: your father didn't march with dr. king, dr. martin luther king jr. because he believed in violence on some occasions while dr. king did not. >> i could not imagine my father having somebody come at him with a billie club and setting there passively. my father was a big and very physical man. i remembered that he told my mother if somebody comes after me, i'm going to go after them and then my daughter is going to be an or fan. >> bill: that was his beef with dr. king that separated him. >> he admired martin luther king like we all did. but he had some real questions about the nonviolent part in the movement. >> bill: i don't think most people would assume that from your background that your father was kind of a fire brand. >> he could be a real fire brand, that's right. >> bill: okay. you voted for jimmy carter. >> yes. >> bill: southern guy and you understand that culture down there. but then you got increasingly

conservative in your views. how did that happen. >> i was in the soviet union as graduate student in august through the falling of 1979. i come back to the soviet union invades afghanistan. president carter says i now know more about the soviet union than i have known in my life and he boycotts the olympics. i thought this is the best the united states can do against this horrible soviet threat? and i voted for ronald reagan because even though i sometimes saw this little undiplomatic to call the soviet union the evil empire it was, indeed an evil empire. i thought ronald reagan was more realistic. >> bill: reagan was more to convince to you go to the conservative precincts. >> because it was foreign policy decision at first. my father was a republican. and i was always very much attracted to the idea that the individual matters not the group. >> bill: why was your father a republican. >> well, he registered to vote as a republican because down in alabama sometimes were the only clerks who would register black people. >> bill: it wasn't ideological. >> it wasn't ideological, no.

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>> bill: book back of the book segment tonight, stossel matters, trouble in many public schools across the country, lazy incompetent teachers, all can destroy academic atmosphere. national tennessee algebra teacher had a nervous breakdown right in front of his class. >> you know who started the fire in this school

>> bill: you have got to feel sorry for mr. wood who was removed from the school on a stretcher. the larger question though is this. would you send your kid to public school? here now fox business anchor john stossel. i know you have done a lot of reporting on the nation's public schools. would you send your kids? >> i didn't. there were some i would if i lived in the right place. >> bill: why didn't you send them. >> i live in manhattan where the public schools for the most part aren't very good and the private schools are. and i can afford to pay twice. >> bill: do you think there is a culture in america that is diminishing public school education right now? >> i don't think it's the culture. i think it's the system. it's a government monopoly. they always cheat their customers. they never improve. post office, the department of motor vehicles. and the same system for public schools. i mean, think if we bought groceries the way we pick our

schools. we would soon be moving to the neighborhood but the good grocery store. i mean, it's crazy. and, yet, that's what is accepted with public schools? >> bill: what the problem in the school as far as you're concerned? is it bad teachers? bad students? apathy? what? >> wasted money, government bureaucracies make money disappear. you can't fire a bad teacher and the good ones don't make more. i fought with the head of the teacher union once. oh, you can fire the bad teacher, you just have to follow the simple steps. around there are a few. then somebody grafted out how long it goes. and this is why they don't even try. they have have something called -- >> bill: if you are a bad teacher. >> they get transferred. they call it dance of the lemons. >> bill: you have to get really bad to be transferred not just mediocre. you have to be really bad. i wrote about this in bold fresh the nuns that taught me 60 kids in the class per student in d.c. now i think is $25,000 per student. back then it was 25 cents per

student. >> think of the 25,000. that's like $400,000 per classroom. what you could do with that money. >> i used to be each tooer so i know what i can do with it. it doesn't seem to help and look at this mr. wood. look at this guy melting down because the students now, teachers tell me in schools that don't have discipline can say and do whatever they want to do. >> watching the tape you think this could happen at a private school too a teacher could lose it. see the beginning of the tape it's clearly a class where the students are mouthing off. he doesn't have control over a class. a private school would let that teacher go. >> bill: difference is in a private school because i taught in at one if there was a wise guy in a class and he was defying you you could tell the assistant principal, is he out of here. get him out. is he gone. >> harder in public school. >> bill: some say you handle it you can't hit them. okay? if you punish them and they don't do the punishment, the establishment principal still won't suspend them so then you don't have any.

you don't have control over him. can i do whatever i want and you can't stop me. that's what's going on. >> but incentives matter. think if that, say, 25,000 in washington or 11,000 the average in america were attached to the kid, and the kid could take it to any school, private or public. >> bill: absolutely, then it would force the public schools to upgrade their discipline and it all starts with discipline. all starts with discipline. you cannot teach any kid unless you have control of the classroom. >> bill: some teachers are brilliant if the money had followed the kid they would be making 300,000 bucks a year. >> bill: you have another foolish special coming up on friday on fnc. >> my second big fox special. battle for the future. i fight with the unions and talk about our two choices. battle between the makers and the takers. and you get to a certain point where if peter can get the government to take from paul and there are more peters, peter is going to vote for that. and that sucks the life out of

america. we're at a tipping point. >> bill: people who don't really want to work for it take from somebody else. you think they are growing in this society now. >> i do. and they feel entitled. and they are mad that some people are rich and they are not getting their share. and their route is through government. >> bill: where is my ferrari. okay. john stossel. we'll watch it it's on friday night at 10:00, correct? >> it is. right before your repeat. >> bill: pinheads and patriots up next. vince vaughn in the spotlight. our pal right back with vince and p and p. ♪

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beneath the earth's surface for 68 days. 2300 feet down. steve harrigan reports from the scene moments ago the first busload of family members arrived to greet those who will be hoisted from the earth in a few minutes. he's live with us now. steve, what do we know? >> reporter: shepard, certainly a sign the rescue is getting close many some family members have been moved from the camp, 1,000 yards away by bus near where the shaft has been opened up. they will be in a holding center. two family members at a time will be able to meet with the miners. over the last couple of hours we've seen more tests. adjustments on the capsule. engineers going at it with wrenches and hammers, trying to make adjustments. it going to be a tough fit. adjustments also with the communications. we've seen communications lines lowered down. they have a direct link with the rescuers on the surface.

more information about who is going to come out when. a full list of all 33, in order, has been provided by the government. the first man and last man named. the last man was one of the men who was responsible for rationing that food during those first tough 17 days. of course, these miners have become a symbol for the nation. chile's economy is largely based on mining. these miners form the backbone of the successful economy. so the nation has been watching to see how they've been treated. so far the government has pulled out all stops sparing no expense for a rescue and to broadcast the rescue to the world. we expect the first miner to come up within a couple hours. further tests going down, the wheel is moving, looks like a river boat paddle wheel moving slowly. that capsule is going down empty then coming back up empty. we could see a rescuer go down

any minute now. >> shepard: as viewers watch you see this enclosure around the top has been added in the last half hour or so the problem was the cable itself and there comes the capsule back out of the ground, the cable itself was dragging on the side of that hole. they were trying to figure out a way to stop it from doing that, so there wouldn't be as much trick . friction -- much trick . friction they've been paying close attention. shock absorbers and rollers so they don't have problems with collapse. as one of the rescuersers mentioned one rock falling on the capsule could cause big problems. our correspondent adam house watching with all of us. we don't know of any problems in the testing process, right? >> reporter: actually, there was a little problem. that's why they are doing a second test.

the first went down because the bluetooth communications weren't working up to the standards they wanted it. they put it down 3/4 of the way it worked fine, as steve talked about it is going to the bottom this time. they assume if that communication system works to the bottom, next trip will have a rescuer inside. he also spoke of the families going in, on the bus. we had a chance to see them not long ago, not that far away. most are camped around us. they have a lot of look of hope but also trepidation on their faces. >> shepard: rescue workers excited. we caught this on video. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> shepard: imagine the excitement across this nation. trapped for 68 days, 2300 feet below in the first 17 days they thought the men were all dead. now each and every one, very