>> good morning, everyone. it's wednesday, october 13, 2010. breaking news for you this morning because the world is watching a miracle in the making. this is a live look right now at the amazing mine rescue that's been under way in chile where the eighth miner is being pulled to the surface. the danger is not over. we're live at the mine with all the rescues. "fox & friends" starts right now. >> live from studio e in the heart of midtown manhattan and chile as well. welcome to a special edition of "fox & friends." i'd say special edition. it's not every day we have condaleeza rice, the former secretary of state joining us. she has a new book out.

we'll talk about that later on in the hour. brian has a copy iet there. >> keep your hands off it. >> 10 days ago, you met with the president of chile. >> i did. and we had a conversation about this. this has been an amazing thing for the country of chile. and he actually showed me the note that the miners had sent up right at the beginning that said we are all right. and it was quite a moment. i found myself a little bit in tears at that moment. this is extraordinary. >> his instincts as well to say -- he was in ecuador, i understand. said i'm staying here until this is done and he's almost functioning to me as the mayor giuliani after 9/11. >> it reminds me very much of that. he came back. he got everybody together and made an international appeal for help to have the technology to do this. this is quite a moment for the people of chile and our new president. >> because so many people said there's no way those miners can be alive down there. >> that's right. >> he said you know what?

i'm not giving up hope and now we're seeing the end result. can you believe -- can you imagine from all your world travels and all the expertise that you have, could you survive under the mine -- >> i don't think i could survive, my goodness, that many days under ground. they're very, very strong people. from the very beginning, i think they rallied the nation and they rallied to the nation and that's made all the difference. >> they've had an important story to tell going 17 days not knowing if anybody knew they were alive and since that time, we're 63 days in and finding out they are alive and in most cases well. let's go to adam housley standing by for a while updating us on what's happening as the capsule had their test run, we found out the door was a little screwy. they fixed that and since that time, it's been all good news. > >> yeah, brian, it's been all good news so far. the next miner is expected to come up in the next four to five minutes. the time down is faster than first predicted. as we spoke of this rescue over

the last few weeks, there was talk it might take as long as an hour turn around. 20 minutes up and 40 minutes down. they've been beating that by a number of minutes. as we're talking, he has surfaced, the eighth miner to come to the surface. you're seeing it live here on "fox & friends." every time it comes up, especially on a chilly morning like this, it does nothing but warm your body to see another man who has been down below the earth more than 2,000 feet for 69 days to come up and see his family and friends for the first time in person since august 5th. and every time you're hearing them chant "great to chile" in spanish. it warms the heart. you're seeing this same scene, guys. like you're watching a world cup soccer match here as soccer, of course, is a national sport of this country and across the country, families are fixated on plazas, on homes, on areas where people are still celebrating and will celebrate each and every one of these rescues. it is quite a sight here as you're watching the eighth miner come to the surface. it's as exciting as the first

miner. there may not be as many people crowded around this early morning on this frigid morning but at the same time, you're seeing coverage watching these live pictures and watching these men come up that -- about a 16 minute ride up and for the first time see their loved ones. what's interesting about these rescues now, guys, is you're getting to that middle section. they talked about the first section being some of the strongest and the last section being the absolute strongest. but it's the middle ones, the ones coming up now who were thought to be the weakest for some reason. but as you see by this miner, he looks for being underground for 69 days, he still looks relatively strong. not as maybe enthusiastic and as energetic as some of the first one or two or three men that we saw that were jumping up and down. he needs help as he goes to see his wife but he is -- he still has the energy and you're hearing -- you hear the clapping around here as other families who are still here holding vigils and say they will stay here until all 33 miners come to the surface, you can hear them clap at this hour.

you can see them with their bonfire cuddling each other, holding each other as you watch this man clutch his wife for the first time since august 5th and i mean, really, you get a loss of words sometimes, guys, when you watch this scene. so far, it's gone off without a hitch. eight miners have come up. we still have, of course, you know, counting the rescuers in the 20's to come back up and there's still the possibility each time that something could go wrong and god forbid that happens, that's something we have to watch. as these become more routine, there's still the chance that one rock could fall down in that shaft and could potentially make this rescue operation become that much more difficult. as we watch this, brian, and everyone back in new york, we know that the capsule will return back down here. they stopped it at one moment early this morning to basically grease the wheels on it. but the turn around time here should be a couple of minutes, it goes back town and the next miner comes back up for hopefully the same type of glorious reunion. back to you in new york. >> did you say that fellow's name is claudio nanez?

>> yes. >> here's what we know about him. he's 34 years old, the drill operator's long term partner proposed to him while he was underground. he plans to marry her as soon as possible. we saw some hugs by her there. how far away are most of the family members and relatives being kept from the miners as they come out of that manhole sized opening? >> well, let me give you an idea. we're next to the gate, the last gate that leads to the mine. probably 300 yards or so maybe as the crow flies from where it's taking place. we can see where the drill operation is. most of the families are encamped really, intermixed with the media from where we're standing. 20 to 30 feet away, a family is there huddling around the fire. the family is here in bulk and then they allow the two, three, or four at the most going up to

the mine when it's their turn, they're taken away to a white tent not far to my left. maybe 15 yards away and then they're shuttled up to the top where they meet their loved one and they come back down and the next family goes up. three to four go up there. rest stay here and hold vigil and watch on the large televisions as the chilean tv stations have put up and watch this take place. families from other miners have had such a strong bond for obvious reasons. they all clap and they all hug each other. almost as every single one of them has a family member coming up each time they come to the surface. >> share with us a little bit what they go through before they actually come up in that capsule because it's not as simple as just getting inside and bringing them back up. i understand that they're taking certain types of anti-nausea medication and then we see them all coming to the surface with dark glasses on. >> yeah, imagine this, they've been underground since august 5th. no sunlight. 2,000 feet down and you also

have different conditions when it comes to air. it's actually -- the temperature down there is relatively warm. you see the men with their shirts off at times. up here, it's extremely cold so they have to deal with the different pressure coming up 2,000 feet. they have to deal with different temperature coming up 2,000 feet. you're talking about taking the nausea situation. they're always worried about the possible panic attacks and at the same time, they have to cover their eyes because even if the sun comes up here and it's still relatively dark outside, they have to protect those eyes because they have not had any kind of light whatsoever other than artificial light so all those things take place. they have a compression robe around them as they come up in a very tight circumstance. we're talking about two feet across. these men are basically wedged in this cage and shipped up for a ride that right now is taking about 14 to 16 minutes. so it's quite a scenario and, you know, the one thing we talked about, there's the mechanics behind this which is amazing. you know, the united states, the canadians, of course, the chileans are leading this. all taking part but what's been done by the people, the

psychologists to prepare these men physically and mentally, basically through just communications over the course of the last 69 days, to prepare these men to come up has been quite impressive and that's something that a lot of people are watching including nasa and including many other agencies around the globe, how these men have been able to do it and how the people have been able to do it as well. guys? >> it's been amazing. they've had a workout program. they've had a dietician. they've put on weight. they've lost weight. they've gone to a liquid diet right before and for blood pressure, hypertension reasons, they took aspirin before they went up. >> to prevent clots. >> right. >> right. >> go ahead. >> one more thing -- sorry, guys. didn't mean to cut you off there. the delay, of course, on our connection. but the first man who came up, there's a scene that's changed because of his young 7-year-old son. the families were supposed to be up there. they were supposed to be back a ways. maybe 25, 15, 25 yards away from the actual capsule when it came up. but his young son was adamant

that he wanted to be close to his father. so the president himself allowed the family and the 7-year-old boy to come up within feet of the capsule. and that's when we saw that amazing picture last night when the first man emerged and his young son was sobbing and the president gave him a bear hug and basically that boy has changed this. now the families get to stay a lot closer. he asked the president himself to be closer to see his father. >> that's awesome. all right. adam housley who by the way last night did some fantastic simultaneous translation when he was doing an interview with one of the family members. excellent job down there. check in with you later on. we're with -- if you're just joining us, we have former secretary of state condaleeza rice with us today. we thought we'd pick her brain since she's an expert at stuff like this. adam just mentioned nasa, actually nasa helped design that capsule. in a time like this, the whole world pulls together. >> the whole world pulls together and the president sent out an international appeal at the beginning and said i want the best technology. he told me i want everybody to

help and quite a moment for the chilean people but a great moment for this great international effort. we need more group efforts. >> yesterday, we interviewed john hart responsible for drilling the hole in chile. it shows this international effort. >> it's a very human moment when everybody pulls together in this way. this is a great moment. >> everybody came together for this and i believe he was from colorado, a contractor, asked to help out digging wells in afghanistan and then lead the charge over in chile and i thought it was so magnamous for him to say i'm done. i'm stepping away. i'm not here to take a bow. i think he's going to go to a sports bar or something and just watch the rescue.

>> yesterday, we didn't know who the first man was. we also know who the last fella is going to be. he's the shift foreman and he's the guy that rallied the troops where they were down there. remember, for 17 days, nobody knew whether this guy was dead or alive and then they sent the note and condaleeza rice saw the note as prensented to her by th president of chile saying all 33 were down here alive. it's the fella that will be the last man that will establish a new world record for being underground the longest. he's the guy that rallied the troops and had everybody ration the food. people only had 1/2 glass of milk and two teaspoons of tuna fish for days until help came. >> we'll continue to cover the situation in chile. be sure to stay with us throughout the morning as we continue to cover this rescue. we'll bring you each of the rescues live as they happen.

other stories to bring to you. >> calls for more troops on the southern border have been ignored in washington for the most part. new developments in the jet ski murder case could change that. a lead investigator in the case found decapitated. >> that's crazy. we're talking to a texas lawmaker who says we can't afford to keep waiting to protect our borders. that's coming up next. >> too soon, the plan to teach elementary school students sex ed gets the go ahead but not without a few changes. >> then you just saw it here live, eight chilean miners rescued after 70 days trapped underground. we'll go back to chile. it will last 48 hours. next 2 3/4 with us. if only there were a place where banks competed to save me a boatload of money on my mortgage -- that would be awesome! [sarcastically] sure. like that will happen.

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>> texas governor rick perry says the murder of a mexican police commander was a message from mexican gangsters. orlando flores decapitated. his head was discovered in a suitcase on tuesday. >> mexican officials, brian, now confirm he was investigating the shooting death of american tourist david hartley. hartley was reportedly gunned down by mexican pirates while jet skiing on lake falcon last month. >> we're joined by republican congressman from texas, representative louis gomer, co-sponsored a bill that would give the secretary of defense power to send 10,000 national guard troops to the border upon the governor's request and congressman, what role does this murder have to do with the urgency to put troops on the border? >> well, i would hope that it would have the similar effect to what the chilean disaster has had. the way the president has rallied the country, rallied international attention to come

help protect and save chilean lives. now, we have threats to american lives. we have threats to hispanic communities along the border. they deserve to be protected and instead, what we've done is put up signs in arizona and put out warnings along falcon lake saying that there's dangerous drug smugglers that are using this area. like in arizona, why don't you american citizens go north of interstate 8? this is a threat to america and i know the president's busy out there saying republicans have no ideas but how about this for an idea? protect the country. provide for the defense of the country. there are people in my district that have said, look, we've been on falcon lake and seen how dangerous it is. you can see drug smugglers going back and forth across there. there aren't enough law enforcement and certainly not enough national guard folks that could intercede. we have got to do that.

it's a matter of national security. >> you're absolutely right, congressman. this president is probably not going to do that. is there anything texas officials can do right now? >> you know, governor perry, i talked to his office late last night, they were up around midnight when i spoke with them and this morning, 30 minutes ago, and they're continuing to push for more national guard troops. but as enfrom the story back in september, secretary napolitano had requested troops a number of times and magically she gets to washington and now she's clairvoyant. no longer do we need troops on the border. she was right when she was governor. it's necessary now. the push will continue. of course, she was too busy cutting a cake and smiling and laughing and saying -- this is a matter of national security. not just texas and the whole country should intercede just as the nation of chile has to protect people there. >> and that, of course, the chilean mine rescue is our top

story. congressman, thank you very much. we'll be watching to see what they figure out. >> thank you for bringing emphasis again to this story. >> and we're not dropping the ball. thanks, congressman. we'll call you back in. >> thank you so much. >> still ahead, this man with the united states secret weapon when it came to bioterror attacks. now william patrick is dead. who will replace him? >> then just moments ago, you saw the eighth miner come up live here on the fox newschannel. and the ninth has just gotten into the capsule. they're having a press conference right now. that's the top doctor down in chile. we go live to chile in a couple of moments. [ male announcer ] wouldn't it be cool if cars didn't need keys? if you could talk to them wi this? if you turbocharged this little guy? if old water bottles became new seats? if you never bought another gallon of gas? or what if cars had force fields?

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weapons like anthrax and nerve gas. and for 50 years, william patrick iii was our government's go to guy for protecting our country against a bioterror attack but last week, patrick lost his fight to cancer. so who is going to replace him? judith miller, fox newschannel contributor and fellow at the manhattan institute was also patrick's friend and is our guest this morning. good morning. good morning, gretchen. >> who will replace him? >> there is no replace many. bill patrick is the last in a generation of extraordinary biowarriors, people who actually made those dreadful germs that used to be in our weapons and that you basically switch sides after president nixon abolished biological weapons and he became a huge biodefender advising everyone from the c.i.a. to the -- actually the white house. on how to defend ourselves against those terrible germs that he made. >> you would know something about this as a former secretary of state. >> judith, i would have a

follow-up question for you. after 9/11, everyone said the worst nightmare is 9/11 with weapons of mass destruction. >> right. >> and here we have the case of biological weapons, very often the thing of hollywood and supernatural but how well do you think we are prepared? the wmd commission was pretty tough on the united states. do you think that's a fair grade to give the united states an f for preparation? >> i think it's appropriate to give america an f in some respects. in some aspects of biodefense. but this is a very tough problem, as you, madam secretary, know better than anyone. we've spent about $5 to $8 billion a year trying to improve our defenses. but it's really hard to make what we call bugs to drugs vaccine and that is we identify a natural or a manmade pathogen and we find a cure for it. we haven't been age to really accelerate that process.

we're still making vaccines the same way we did before in chicken eggs largely so it's a tough problem. >> most americans probably don't wake up every morning and say wow, i'm nervous about a bioterror attack today because a lot of them have probably been thwarted. what about this new vast germ research complex, the national biodefense analysis and countermeasures center. what's that known? >> better known as nbacc for those who can't remember the full title. it's the crown jewel of the government's effort to protect us against biological weapons that are going to be made by other people especially we're worried about terrorists, al-qaida, people who were struggling to make them before 9/11. remember, gretchen, right after 9/11, we had the anthrax letter attacks. and five people died and 17 were infected with anthrax. so places like nbacc will be devoted to developing vaccines and other countermeasures

against that kind of attack. >> in a time when we worry less about these issues than we should in the broader public, how do we get people to replace william patrick? how do we get young scientists to be devoted to this cause? >> i think at the end of his life, condy, he was very worried about that. that there was no next generation. there are some fantastic new scientists who are working on a great many biodefense measures but they tend not to have that kind of cold war spirit that motive ated patrick in his life. afterwards, he mentored so many young people. if you don't have an active program, a program that the government is behind and that the country is behind, it's very hard to kind of keep the momentum going. >> he will be missed. >> he will. >> thanks so much for your thoughts. >> thank you. so -- >> coming up, things got heated last night at the debate in california. the derogatory comment about

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>> all right. this is a fox news alert. we are awaiting the rescue of the ninth miner trapped in that chilean mine. any moment now, mario gomes, 63 years old, one of the oldest fellows down there. he's the first miner with serious health issues and let's go live now to adam housley not far from that manhole sized hole that mario will be pulled from in just moments. adam? >> yeah, steve. keep look over my shoulder to see the first signs of that capsule. you mentioned mario gomez. he's really the first miner to come to the surface with health conditions that they were concerned about. he's actually going to be wearing a breathing device. he's had some breathing issues down below over the course of the last 69 days. and they've given him that. they brought that down to him

and now he's going to be coming up with that on so we can watch, again, as swe spoke of, there's three groups of men coming up. the first group is pretty strong. second is the weakest and the last is the strongest. mario gomez is part of that group. as they show on local television the video from down below, we await that capsule to come up. we've been told by the minister of mines here that the round trip time is taking about had 45 minutes which goes along with what we've been timing ourselves. that's 15 minutes faster than what they originally intended or thought that would take. that's good news so far. that means that man -- that two foot size hole so far has been running pretty clear. they had one stop to basically grease the wheels. that's it so far. as we await gomez to come to the surface here. i'm looking over once again. still not up yet. but it should be coming up momentarily. he'll be the ninth miner to come up. remember, we still have two

rescuers down there. imagine being one of the two rescuers that went in to go down there to see -- hold on a second. they said they'll be able to shave a half day, just coming in, guys. we're being told that because so far, things going the way they're going, they'll be able to shave 1/2 day off this process which means tomorrow, about 11:00 a.m. local time, 10:00 a.m. eastern they would be able if everything goes fine the way it has so far theoretically they would be able to bring the last person. will it be a miner or rescuer? that's part of the debate here. remember, we had two men who took the -- had the guts, basically to get into that two foot wide cart and go down 2,000 feet underground where these miners have been stranded for 69 days and they're still down there checking everybody over medically, monitoring everybody, securing them in the capsule and sending them up so those two men definitely more than applause for those two men and you can bet there are a lot of people here very proud of their work so

far. give a quick idea what happens each time the men come up. they have to wear a special, basically, robe that helps them deal with the change of pressure as they come up and helps them deal with the change of temperature as they come up and coming up 2,000 feet. they have such protected glasses on to protect their eyes. they've taken medication to help them deal with other issues that might arise as they stay in that capsule for 14 minutes or so as it comes up to the surface. this is the first man, mario gomez that they're worried about a little bit health wise and he is wearing a breathing mask right now as he ascends up through the earth. guys? >> all right, adam housley, thank you very much. we'll keep an eye on this. don't leave fox. we're going to have them pull every guy out. number 9 is on the way. >> and he's the one who actually wrote the note that dr. rice, you read that said hey, we have 33 people down here. it's been 17 days and we're all safe. meanwhile, doctors are closely monitoring the miners as they make their way to the surface as

you just heard. what type of health problems could they face in the days ahead when the press goes away. dr. marc siegel is an associate professor of medicine at nyu's medical center. he joins us now and worked all night. dr. siegel, first off, what are we looking at? 33 people, 33 issues, correct? >> absolutely. let's start with mario gomez, the guy about to come out. 63 years old. some type of lung condition. didn't tolerate that well the humidity in the mine because humidity can interfere with lungs, people with lung problems. i'm also concerned about the gases that may be down there. we haven't talked about that much. methane gas, carbon monoxide can have high levels in a mine. it's interesting to hear adam housley talk about how they bring them up, they'll repressurize them and give them more oxygen and account for what could be there. >> that is a camera at the bottom of the mine. so you can actually see the guys being put into the capsule. adam just mentioned that the guys are wearing compression suits. we understand that they take an

aspirin to prevent clotting and anti-nausea medicine because the thing is spinning as it goes up and you don't want to whoopsy doodle there. why the compression suit? >> that's actually because if you are actually immobil for a while, you may build up a clot. but what actually causes a clot to break off, steve, is when you suddenly become active and you suddenly stand up and you're going up the mine. so it's very wise to take the precautions right before you start to move and the aspirin plus the compression stocking should cut down the risk of that greatly and nasa actually created a diet, and nasa doctors have been unbelievable. they've been involved directly in this, helping to advise them. the chilean navy has had their submarine experts involved. and they've been sending food down, as everyone knows. blood and urine samples have been coming up through the mine. >> taking their own blood? >> there's a guy down there that had some paramedic experience as a miner who was actually drawing the blood and

doing these tests. >> you see how great they look. >> there's so many other issues here. just getting them up to the surface and medically making sure they're ok but what about psychologically after this experience? >> well, you know, you see all the exuberance as they come out of the mine. that's adrenalin. we're going to have to watch them very, very closely in the weeks and months to come because of flashbacks, are they going to be sleeping properly? how anxious are they going to be? post traumatic stress disorder will be a huge problem after this kind of confinement. so after the energy wears off, after the burst of excitement of seeing your loved ones wear off, they have to be very carefully monitored. apparently, there was a psychologist talking to them from down there and also helping them on the way up because there was a lot of concern about all the confinement on the way up. but when you focus on the voice coming to you, it helps you keep your mind off the idea that you're going one mile an hour up through this shaft. >> dr. rice, you have a question for dr. siegel? >> this has been obviously an international effort with nasa and navies around the world trying to help.

after this is over and hopefully these men are safe and healthy, we'll learn a lot from what happened here. >> apparently, dr. rice, we've been learning a lot all along and it's so exciting to see that the nasa scientists involved from everything they've learned in space. from this, i think we're going to learn the idea of keeping people exercising. we heard one fortunaof the mine running six miles a day. i'm excited about the hygiene issue, somehow they appear to have been so well regimented down there, they didn't get infections and, of course, the most important thing, all the courage, the team work, working together. that's what pulled them through. >> the unity. as this tragedy could have been a potential tragedy occurred, 69 days ago, a couple of the guys were too big. they would not fit through this hole but on average, i think they lost 22 pounds. >> and this was also regulated by the doctors. having them lose weight in a way where they maintained their lean body mass but lost fat and so they would not only fit in the tube but actually be healthier. i was actually worried about

this diabetic who has already come out, he apparently did fine but very hard to regulate diabetes from 22,000 feet above. how are you going to eat? there isn't the food. they don't know what his sugars are. somehow he did fine. >> let me ask you this because this part of the -- this might be controversial. at first they were apparently sending down nicotine patches because most of these miners smoke and then they said that they had later actually sent down cigarettes to the miners. >> and obviously, they're not going to get them under a condition of such stress to suddenly quit smoking. >> they do it in prison. >> picked a bad day to do that. >> i find this a fascinating tidbit, almost as fascinating as a guy running six miles in the bottom of the mine to stay fit but as a doctor, how do you handle the fact that they were all smokers? >> i'm very concerned about it from a purely medical point of view. we talked about what gases may have been in the mine. the last thing we need is cigarette smoking, cuts down on the amount of oxygen. they went with what they could

get to happen. smoking not ideal. but if it's the only way they could survive, they allowed them to smoke. >> basically, they don't want to be miners anymore and to be able to get out of this living, they have to tell their story and sell their story. that's going to be an interesting thing. you got to worry about post traumatic stress syndrome and you have to worry about in some situations, a complicated family life that's going to happen. and number 2 is how do i write my story and tell my story? they're all famous. >> it will be catharsis for them. one thing we found out last night, it's all different. each individual has a different reaction. there may be some that want to get back into the mine. most won't go near a mine again. >> thank you very much for making a couch call on this very, very busy wednesday morning. straight ahead, the reason former secretary of state condy rice is here. her book, we'll get personal and talk about her family like you've never heard before. >> watching for the ninth miner to be rescued and bring it to

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>> we're awaiting the rescue of the ninth miner in chile. been trapped in that mine for 10 weeks. you're looking live now beneath the surface of the mine or you were just moments ago. any moment, mario gomez will enter the capsule and head to the surface. he is the first miner with some serious health issues. he will come up with a breathing apparatus on. we'll bring that to you live when it happens. >> what a story. >> former secretary of state condaleeza rice has been nice enough to join us for this entire hour. ride the breaking news with us. but how does a young girl from jim crow, birmingham, alabama, become the most successful african-american woman in the history of the executive branch.

she gives us a glimpse with her brand new book "a memoir of family, extraordinary, ordinary people" and you join us now. welcome officially, mrs. secretary of state and national security advisor. you and your mom were a tight knit unit. inseparable, more than most. >> very tight knit. i think it's hard to be the parent of an only child and someone has to entertain the little one. my parents were in part playmate and in part schoolmate. as we studied together in the evenings. we were very, very close. i love them dearly. >> you were close but you were the president of the house. >> i was the president of the family. >> how did that work? >> i always thought it was because i got my mother's vote. i knew i had my vote. we had no term limits and to i was president. but i think it was my parents' way of giving me an early sense of responsibility and i had real responsibilities. >> when you moved to a new house, you were kind of in

charge of figuring it all out. >> figuring it all out. what colors the rooms would be. i planned family vacations and called family meetings. >> interesting thing about this book, condi, you glorify how important it is to have parents who have high expectations. but also in this book, you talk about that inner strength that you had even from a young age where you tell the story about how you desperately wanted a piano and your father said to you, well, you'll have to learn this church hymn and i'll buy you one. you spent the entire day learning it. >> you're a musician. you know how this is. and i knew that if i learned "what a friend we have in jesus" by the end of the day, my parents were going to buy me a piano. they thought it would take me a little while longer. they were a little surprised when i practiced eight hours a day that day at my grandmother's. they came home and played it perfectly. they did one of those rent to own things where they went and rented a piano that they later bought. >> a lot of people have this

question, how would you end up a republican in an area in which racism was so prevalent and so many went to the democratic party. you were exposed to a lot of different things. your dad as a higher up in the university of denver and in the area would invite african-american leaders like fiery characters. >> i had dinner many times with carmichael. my father was interested in the whole range of black politics. he himself was a very conservative man. republican in part because the republican party was willing to register him in alabama and the democrats weren't but he really loved politics and he wanted his kids, his students to be exposed to the whole range. i do think that from his point of view, the most important things were family and faith and he loved the united states of america and he believed, like his father, in the empowering view of education that it could really bring you to be somebody you might otherwise not be. and for my parents, you put out

your victims. >> yeah. >> if you thought of yourself as a victim, you had lost control and while you might not be able to control your circumstances, you could certainly control how you responded to your circumstances. so i think that made him very much concerned about the individual and maybe a little bit more in line with republican party values. >> ok, so you have a two book deal. the first book about your life. the next book is going to be about those many years at the white house. >> that's right. the book ends in 2001 just as i'm going off to washington. ironically, my dad -- my mom died in 1985 of breast cancer. but my dad died just about 10 days before i left for washington, d.c. and so it's the kind of natural end to that story. they prepared me and sent me off to do what they would have expected to be doing and i'm very grateful to have a chance to tell their story. >> you did everything. and there's a picture of you as a young girl standing in front of the white house and you told your parents that day, you were going to work there some day and you did.

>> i did. my dad, by the way, is the one who told that story. i don't actually remember saying it. but he insisted so maybe i did. >> and you did. and he ended up seeing you work for president bush. >> thank you very much. good luck with the book. >> thank you. >> dr. rice, see you soon. straight ahead, the schools chancellor who is changing the face of failing schools in our nation's can't pital, is just a to resign today. why she's calling it quits? >> the chilean rescue is continuing. we'll bring you his rescue live just moments away. >> is she taking our picture? >> we've got a flood. hits the road, the nose the angels start second guessing where they tread. ♪ cl 1-800-steemer 3q

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couple of quick headlines for you. a big victory for parents in helena, montana, school district just approved a new sex ed program but only after a few controversial proposals got the axe. the plans to have first graders talk about -- or learn about homosexuality and fifth graders learn all the different ways people have sex have been scratched. washington, d.c.'s controversial schools chancellor reportedly will resign today. michelle rhea has been the lightning rod for demanding improved performance by teachers. support for her cost mayor adrian fenti his job in last month's democratic primary. one of the main reasons he lost. >> and in fact, the new guy, vincent gray who won the democratic primary in washington, d.c. for mayor, he has said that of the hundreds of teachers that michelle rhee fired, he'll rehire some of them. she's famous and condi rice continues the conversation because she knows michelle rhee. she stood up to the unions and

said some of these teachers are out. >> she stood up for the kids of washington, d.c. somebody had to. this school district has failed so many kids. and this is a loss for both children and for the parents trapped in those schools. k-12 education has to improve. when i can look at your zip code and know whether or not you're going to get a good education but michelle will be all right. she's going to continue to be, i'm sure, spokesman for reform and that's going to be very important. but it's a sad day for the kids of d.c. >> she fired 98 central office employees. and she made an impact. >> many people applauded that. she was finally making change. >> there's going to be a press conference today at 10:00 at mayflower hotel as she calls it quits. meanwhile, thank you once again. we're talking about our lead story and that is the amazing mine rescue down in chile.

we are awaiting the ninth miner. that's a picture of him right there. mario gomez and apparently, he had some health issues. he is the oldest of the miners. he is the guy who wrote the note that all 33 were safe inside. >> yeah and he -- >> coming up with a breathing apparatus on, the first one. it will be interesting to see how he is when he comes out of that capsule, brian, so far we've seen a lot of exuberance and heard from dr. siegel earlier saying a lot of that may be adrenalin, as you can imagine, but this gentleman going to be the ninth miner coming up, probably immediately will go off to the hospital. >> they say it was -- it takes 20 minutes for that capsule to get down and takes 25 minutes for one of the miners to get up. but all and all, it's going so well so quickly they expect to be done by 11:00 tomorrow which is significantly sooner than they thought. >> stay with us here on fox. you won't miss a thing. meanwhile, straight ahead, derogatory terms towards women? no big deal, jerry brown doesn't seem to think so.

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at this moment, eight miners are now with their families in chile. the count continues as we wait for the ninth to come out just moments away live right here on "fox & friends." looks like the capsule is about to come up to the surface. right here, this will be mario gomez, the ninth miner who apparently had a breathing apparatus on because he has had some medical difficulties while underground for 10 weeks. >> keep your fingers crossed. they're going to see how he did for that 20 minute ride up that tunnel knowing that he's somewhat compromised when he got in. >> there he is inside the red, white and blue phoenix capsule that was built by the chilean navy and some assistance by the united states' own nasa. apparently, this fella who is in here, 63 years old. he had been thinking about retiring in november. i think he's officially retired right now. he came to freedom through that 28 inch wide escape hole and for

the first time in 69 days, he will see the sky and he will taste fresh air and freedom. >> no doubt that's the family you're seeing right there. they have the cell phone camera videotaping this amazing moment in their lives. the other very interesting fact to point out about mario gomez is he was the miner who wrote that note back in august. i believe it was august 22nd. telling the world that those 33 miners underneath the ground for more than two weeks already, that they were all safe and that they were all alive. that is the note that came up and that is when the rescue mission began and here we are now on this day, 10 weeks later. >> adam housley, one of the biggest challenges is as you leave the mine and you come up and it's very, very cold and on top of that, mr. gomez has a lung ailment. what are you seeing so far? >> yeah, steve, gretchen and brian, right now we're watching as you are waiting for them to open up the capsule.

we're told this one took about eight minutes longer than normal. it's about 22 minutes or so. reason being is because that breathing issue that he's had, mario has been in the mine. he's 63. he's been in the mine since he was 12 years old. as you mentioned, he was talking about retiring in november and as well for the purposes, that's happening right now. you can hear the whistles all around us as he emerges from the capsule. apparently, they took off the breathing apparatus. he's holding up a chilean flag now. they took off the breathing apparatus before he stepped out of the capsule. his wife and children covering their faces. reason why it took a little longer for him to come up is they were very careful with him, they were afraid of the dust getting into it. once they got up there, they took a little bit of time before they opened up that capsule, took off the apparatus and let him step out for the first time to embrace his family since august 5th and each time, this is the ninth miner now, guys, this was the longest trip up. they went slower on purpose to

ensure that it was safe and secure and it is such a moment and every time people around here whistle, they clap, they embrace each other as if the entire nation is celebrating. it's because it is really and for that matter, across the country. across the globe, we're seeing people continually watching this and every time someone comes up, the smile from ear to ear is one that's hard to replicate, that's for sure. mario gomez, you can see him being helped, very obviously weaker than some of the miners we've seen. we've seen others go stoke the crowd up and hug every single one of the rescuers. he had to be helped there. he'll be put on the stretcher and taken to the field hospital here. they've been remaining in the field hospital for about 45 minutes to an hour each and the helicopters take off with a 10 minute flight to the hospital where we're told they will remain for two full days. that is the plan right now. and if everything goes as planned and there are no more hitches, you'll have all 33 miners in that hospital tomorrow by 11:00 a.m. local time and

boy, will that be quite a sight and quite a relief for this country and for that matter for so many people who have been watching and helping and supporting from afar, guys. >> adam, i heard that one of the things they did along with taking aspirin, and going to a liquid diet is signing chilean flags and he gets out. they open up the door and there's that flag. it looks like there's some writing on it. i assume they all signed it. >> yes. each time, in fact, this was something that last night we saw i think the second miner who came up, he had presents for a lot of the rescuers. he kept pulling things out of his little bag somehow being wedged in there but each miner we're told has a flag. they signed messages to their families and everyone down there sign and it's been the same up here on top as well, brian, above the ground, the families all have their own flags that are signed and with messages of hope. all of them say strength. and that word is used in a number of different ways and a number of different sentences in spanish.

and most of them are saying, you know, something with the name of the miner and they're calling them the angels of bicentennial. what people may not realize is chile celebrated its bicentennial less than one month ago during the time they were underground. these are being called the angels of the bicentennial and this country continues to celebrate. when every single one comes up, it will be quite a celebration this country hasn't seen before. >> very emotional and spiritual. i don't know if you could see but a moment ago, mario gomez shortly after he was taken out of the capsule and got down on both knees in a moment of prayer and we do understand, adam, that apparently to pass the time, the miners were sent bibles down there to read as they reflected on what was going on with them. but these guys, as they now get carted off to see the doctors, these are national heroes for the people of chile, aren't

they? >> absolutely. you know, first of all, chile is catholic like much of latin america, strong catholic, like 94% of the country is so yes, it's very spiritual here. there are shrines around here to mother maria and others as well so that is something that's been very much a part of this. and they are national heroes. interesting thing is last night, one of the men rescued, take that back, one of the men who are going to be rescued, interviewed his brother last night. he was a soccer player who in fact in 1984 was part of the national team. that would be like the starting quarterback for the best football team in the country, the niners and the cowboys or the giants or whoever you happen to like, it's a big deal and he's down there. as these names have come out and we've seen their pictures and heard their stories, we've seen the video. they're all becoming national heroes. every single one and they've been very strong to stay together as a unit. all the decisions have been made as a unit. they all had their own jobs down there. they all had a routine, as you mentioned, prayer was part of it. this was also exercise that was part of it. there were certain things, one, i think, gretchen talked about

it, one of them had some medical training. he was in charge of taking blood and some of the other medical duties he had down below. every man had a job. even the weakest and that was part of their plan to keep them physically and mentally strong and prepared for this day. >> all right. adam housley, excellent reporting for us and translation when necessary from spanish to english. we'll be touching base with you as we wait for number 10 now. in the meantime, dr. marc siegel is a general internist and fox news contributor and joins us now on the couch. so dr. siegel, we were very worried about mario gomez. we heard he would have a breathing apparatus on when he came to the surface but he did not have it on when he came out of the capsule and appeared to be in relatively good shape. >> amazing. people have asked, why did they wait for number nine for someone with real medical problems. reason is why not get him out first? they had to test the equipment to make sure it was working. you wouldn't want someone with medical problems stuck on the way up. also, they sent a rescue workers down to make sure that they're

stable enough to come up. that had to be done before you would want to risk a mario gomez. you know what's very interesting, the temperature change from 86 degrees fahrenheit down there to 30 to 40 degrees up here, that tends to provoke lung problems so the idea that he made it to the surface and he looks very comfortable is incredible. it shows that he's in great -- much better shape than i was expecting. when they carted him off to the hospital right now, he had on what we call 100% breather. that's the most oxygen you can actually give someone. that's what he had on his face. that shows you they're being very cautious. >> well, you know, one of the worries when they get into this tiny little phoenix capsule is that they're going to freak out. they're going to have a panic attack and yet, they're not sedating them in any way because apparently they want them to be able to react if something goes wrong. >> with mario gomez, you wouldn't want to suppress his breathing at all. that's very important for anyone with a breathing problem. when they were on their way up to the capsule, they're talking to them the whole way.

that's the trick. keep them off what they're going through that something can go wrong. keep them focused on the voice, what someone is saying to them. >> we know they'll have struggles especially with their preconditions. the seventh person to come up had kidney issues and had diabetes. so right now, he right now has got some challenges, i imagine. >> especially with that diet he had down there. very hard to manage diabetes down in a mine. i expect him to have problems. i expect him to be watched very carefully and you know what? you don't know exactly what happened down there. that's why we have to -- they have to be very closely monitored over the next several weeks. >> good thing we have you on the couch now, the next miner that's coming up, the 10th alex vega worked for nine years in the mine. he has hypertension and has kidney problems. he was a heavy equipment mechanic. now, what will we expect when we see him come up? >> you know something, blood pressure can be all over the place. when you're down in the mine like that, if you don't get enough activity, your muscles lose their tone and your blood

pressure can go down rather than up so we don't know if he actually had low blood pressure but the idea that he starts off with high blood pressure. we don't know if he was getting the medication he needed and that his blood pressure could be variable. that's something they'll have to check immediately when he gets up there. >> considering the desperate situation and we're looking at the wife of the eighth guy who was pulled -- ninth guy pulled out a moment ago. when you look at how the government has reacted, you know, the guy sent up a note, we'd like cigarettes. we'd like wine. they sent down cigarettes and they sent down -- or nicotine patches and they sent down wine as well. >> and quickly gave up on the nicotine patches and went back to cigarettes, by the way, because these guys were not going to quit. i'm absolutely amazed at the response here. they got nasa involved. they had our best doctors who are used to confinement. they used the chilean navy and people that were experts in submarine. the response from a medical point of view was a full court press. >> they tried to make them as comfortable as possible. if they want that stuff, they sent down movies, everything.

keep their mind off the fact that we're in a hellhole. >> they got them to exercise and it looks like they bonded together and showed great courage and the team work is probably what got them through. >> seeing that on the flag there. those are the names of all the miners signed on that. imagine what that thing would be worth. >> i think the worst part had to be the 17 days. even though it's been longer since they've been -- they knew they were going to be rescued or thought they were going to be rescued but the 17 days when they're down there with just a small portion of tuna and some milk and didn't know if anyone was looking for them or if they would find them, that must have been the worse. >> and think about it, i think most people down there probably figured they're dead. >> they did. >> the president of chile said i have an instinct that they're not and he was the one who spearheaded the effort and then on august 22nd, we got that note from mario gomez, he was the ninth miner just pulled up. this is all the stuff that's happened, though, since the miners were underground for 10 weeks. one of the gentlemen became a father. he had a baby that was born. he was not there. he was able to see the images of

that. we heard a lot of talk about mistresses being found out from the wives. interesting story this morning that one of the wives said she's not going to go to see her husband come up because she's decided that the mistress can go herself. so there's some interesting familial developments as well. >> he's actually giving him out the vaccinations. >> they call him the doctor. he was giving out the medications and vaccinations. he was in charge. >> 21st to come out. >> they've been down there for 69 days. and now the big question is how much will the chilean government compensate them for their time? also, there apparently is a $12 million lawsuit that they are filing against the mining company and the government as well. and there you can see the fella who was pulled out just a moment ago as he gets down on his knees and certainly thanks god that he is alive. >> yeah. >> what about this, doctor? you're in prison and you can't wait to get out of prison. but the thing that people say

they have the hardest time adjusting to is no one telling them what to do. no one tells them when to eat, when to have lunch. no one gives them restrictions. in this short of time in the big picture, do you think they're going to have trouble making their own decisions? >> there's no question about that. that's a great point. not only from whatever gases they were exposed to down there. but the psychiatric part of this. right now, we're seeing the exuberance. we're seeing the adrenalin. but, you know, they -- the confinement part of this is the worst psychologically that you can imagine. you're going to see a lot of post traumatic stress as a result. a lot of insomnia. a lot of anxiety and a lot of flashbacks and a lot of indecisiveness, the very point you're making will happen over the next several weeks. >> thanks so much for your insight. you'll return to the couch as we wait now for number 10. >> which should be shortly. and you'll see it live here on fox. >> all right. he's been a vocal opponent of the president's health care overhaul. tennessee's governor is here to explain what the president got wrong and how he can fix it. wrote a book about it. >> you just watched the ninth

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would say a respectful critique of it and then really goes on to say, look, here are the kinds of things we need to do differently. it's going to take a while. >> respectful critique. you call it a stunning disappointment, why? >> i think adding new people to the rolls is fine by itself but adding them into a system that has huge problems whether it cost or sustainability seems to me to miss the opportunity to make more fundamental changes in the system. >> like what? what would you do? >> i think first of all, i think we've got to deal with the financial issues. i mean, medicare itself is $37 trillion in the hole. and very little was done to begin to address any of those issues. my whole feeling is i would like to work it out ultimately like social security is. to move it out of this employer-based -- this employer-based system, to make it truly universal and across the board and a basic level of health care that every american is entitled to and to do it in a way and i think put some ideas forth in which we really can contain the cost. i think when you have something that's on the course that health care is on in this country, you

can't just tweak it. you really have to step back and set up a long term plan to fix it. >> you would know. you have 30 plus years in the health care industry. did the president ever call you for any advice? >> i had actually talked to him before he was sworn in as president. i haven't talked to him before then. this reform has the feeling to me it's very much something designed by congressional staffers and advocacy groups and that's fine. that's a point of view but there's other voices out there in the country. there's other people that have got that on the ground experience and i think it would have benefited from just more people involved who actually had, i don't know, run a hospital or run an insurance company. >> different ideas. that's what we saw at the town hall meetings that basically created the tea party movement. would you have voted for this bill? >> i've got a hypothetical, i don't think so. i think i would have said let's step back and, you know, try again. i really think these kinds of things have to be done in a bipartisan fashion.

social security and medicare both were contentious but both had about half the republicans with them so when it's over, it's over. what's happened, i think, with health reform is it's become a strictly partisan issue. it's going to be in the partisan wars for a long time to come and that's unfortunate. >> all right. i mean, even democrats running for re-election now aren't even mentioning it. governor phil bredesen, the author of the new book "how to fix reform and build a sustainable health care system." thanks for being here. debate for golden state governor. did you see this, governor? it got heated and the attacks personal out in california when jerry brown is saying about his campaign staffer's derogatory term targeting meg whitman. and the nineth miner freed after 70 days trapped under ground. the rescue of the 10th under way right now. jaguar platinum coverage is not just a warranty.

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>> you are looking right now live at a picture from chile where we are awaiting the ares could you of the 10th miner. his name is alex vega and he's been working in the mine for nine years. he has hypertension, problems, kidney problems so the doctors are watching this one closely. he will be coming to the surface in just a moment and when it happens, you will see it live right here on fox. >> they are way ahead of schedule. >> they are, thank goodness. and also, we got another story to look at in politics this morning. jerry brown, the democratic governor candidate for governor out in california got called out in a fiery debate last night. brown grilled over a voicemail of someone close to him reportedly, perhaps his wife, made a derogatory comment about republican rival meg whitman.

moderator tom brokaw told brown some would consider the slur against whitman as bad as using the n word. >> i don't agree with that comparison, number one. number two, this is a 5-week-old private conversation. >> whoa! >> picked up on a cell phone with a garbled transmission. it's unfortunate. i'm sorry it happened. i apologize. >> so jerry, it's not just me. it's the people of california who deserve better than slurs and personal attacks. >> jerry brown currently holds about a five point lead over whitman in the polls but the latest poll was taken before that voicemail went public so stand by. >> all right. today, more than three dozen state attorneys are expected to announce an investigation into faulty foreclosures across the country. the mortgage mess came to light last month when it was discovered that gmac document processor signed thousands of foreclosure affidavits without verifying their contents. the ohio attorney general was the first state attorney general to file a complaint over the

alleged foreclosure fraud scandal and joins us now. attorney general, so you just want all this -- all these would-be foreclosures stopped and analyzed first and levees handed out and fines handed out to those guilty parties. >> no, i've not asked for a freeze on all foreclosures. what we have said is we don't see how a court can enter foreclosure orders in any case where the evidence submitted was fraudulent. i don't think anybody could dispute that. that's not appropriate. what we don't know is what the extent of the fraudulent evidence was. gmac has said there's tens of thousands of cases which this individual submitted affidavits sworn to evidence that he didn't know anything about and others were engaged in the same practice. we're trying to get to the bottom of this to understand how widespread it is. we think those foreclosures should be stopped while we sort out what is really a mess and all other foreclosures that are proper should go forward and need to do so. >> right, you're seeing don't -- if i'm putting words in your mouth, tell me.

you're asking for civil penalties for up to $25,000 for every violation, correct? >> that's correct. and every case in which fraudulent affidavits were filed with the court is a separate serious violation. if any attorney in a normal case filed fraudulent evidence, they would expect and receive sanctions for themselves and their client. >> did you notice in particular ohio hard hit? as we know, i think 40 states in all are saying -- attorney generals are saying the same things you're saying. >> you know, foreclosure is an issue that has hit ohio very hard going back about six, seven years now but it's hit a lot of other states hard in the meantime and it's a nationwide problem at this point. we have to clean up any kind of fraudulent practices in this area. there had been fraudulent lending before. now there's fraudulent foreclosures being filed. no one can defend a practice that -- a business model based on fraud and we need to clean it up. >> in layman's terms, can you give us an idea of what you mean by fraud? tell us one or two things of people coming forward and saying this is flat out wrong. >> sure, if i file evidence in a

case and i have witnesses who swear that they know the facts that they're talking about and the court relies on that to give a judgment and it turns out those witnesses swore that they knew things that they knew nothing about. they never reviewed the documents although they say so, that's lying under oath. it is fraud. there's no dispute about that. the only question here is how widespread was that practice, how much do we need to do to clean it up and how should we handle the cases that are now tainted by fraud going forward. >> richard, the ohio attorney general, you're a busy guy. thanks so much. curious to see what happens from here. >> my pleasure. >> all right. coming up straight ahead, meanwhile, more financial stuff. dave ramsey here with new ways banks and credit card companies are making a quick buck at your expense. and how you can opt out. plus our continuing coverage of the miracle at the mine. it continues. miner after miner making a very dangerous journey as we speak. the 10th on his way up to the surface in the capsule six feet tall and less than two feet wide.

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and hypertension. moments ago, the ninth man, mario gomez was freed. the 63-year-old was the oldest miner trapped. gomez also has a lung disease common to miners and had to be raised using a breathing apparatus. let's go now to adam housley live for us at the san jose mine where families anxiously await those miners. adam, tell us the latest. >> yeah, gretchen. in fact, the interesting tidbit going on right now, the fourth miner rescued which happened several hours ago is still here. all the other miners are here for only an hour or so and flown 10 minutes away at the hospital, about 35 minutes away. that one miner is staying here because he's from bolivia, the only miner not from chile. and he's waiting for his president to come and the president has arrived and, of course, we know him because he's not a fan of the u.s. he's a big fan of chavez. he's come to meet with the one

miner who is waiting to meet with him. side bar story taking place here in the latin america media watching that closely, of course. next up is, we're told, alex vega. he's 31 years old. he's had kidney problems and hypertension. the -- the cart is almost down to the bottom to pick him up. that ride up has been so far about usually 14 to 15 minutes. we saw with the last rescue it took a bit longer for mario gomez because of the breathing problems. we're not sure it will take longer for alex as well when he comes up. interesting note about alex, he's been working in the mine for a number of years to raise money to build his own home. he's been living with his parents and he's a mechanic but he also worked here at the mine for extra money to help build a home he hoped to have one day and you can bet that's probably something that's going to happen quicker than he thought when he steps foot here above ground as the rescues continue to take place. every time the capsule goes to the bottom, the capsule reaches the bottom, there's a cheer here. there's some clapping. every time it comes up, of

course, that cheer, that clapping is much louder as people hug and they embrace. you watch the families of those miners come over and embrace them for the first time in 69 days and every time it's one of just pure joy and you can see it on the rescuers' faces as well. and it's something that's really being watched and monitored by people across the globe, nl only here in chile and every time it's quite the celebration and you can bet if everything continues to go as well, gretchen, tomorrow around 11:00 a.m. or so, that last miner or rescuer will come up because there's still two rescuers down there. when that happens, there will be a celebration across this country that they haven't seen in some time and now, we're being told right now it's down? >> yes. >> it's down, capsule has officially reached the bottom so it usually takes a couple of minutes down below. usually could take longer up top for them to quickly check it over and sometimes grease the wheels but it's at the bottom right now, it looks like some family, the last family has already -- his family has been up there. so his family is up there and look like another family is being taken up. they go right by us here to the

top. and they one at a time and wait for their miners to step out and then they come back down and their miners is taken to the field hospital and ultimately flown on to the main hospital in copiapo. >> we're looking right now at the pictures of the bottom of the mine right now. they have the technology so we can see via broadband what's happening and they're about to load alex vega up. it's interesting, though, that you point out that the bolivian miner is waiting for the president of bolivia, adam, because the president of chile, the first guy out, president of chile gave him a great big bear hug and while bolivia and chile not necessarily great friends today, you know, people all around the world are pulling together to get those guys out of that hole. >> absolutely. and bolivia and chile while not necessarily the best of things share one thing. they share mining. the man who runs the train that goes from these mines in this area, the northern part of the

country filled with mines. a few vineyards, believe it or not, as well but mostly mining in the middle of the desert. . the man who runs the railroad actually runs that railroad into bolivia where much of the -- those different, whether it be copper or gold where a lot is shipped out of. even though the countries are not necessarily close, they have that mining connection so that's one reason why you'll find some bolivian miners working here in northern part of chile. and as you mentioned, the president is here. he's actually flown in, landed about 20 minutes ago in copiapo. we're not sure if the presidential helicopter will fly him up here. we're not sure, we're trying to get confirmed if the president of chile has left. we're said he would hug every miner and up to a couple of hours ago, he's done just that. he obviously someone a bit older as well. we're not sure if they would want him to stay up here all that time. the mining minister in charge of this whole operation, they've become two people the country

has rallied around despite the fact they've rallied around those men who have been below ground for such a long time. >> we'll check in with you a little later on. a matter of great national pride in chile because they're able to pull this off and it's going so far, keep your fingers crossed so well. >> and the first one came out 11:00 eastern time last night, first miner came out so, you know, every hour, another one coming out. president has been there all day, almost every day, the guy needs a break but could be also going directly to the hospital where all these miners will be. >> number one story in the world, though. >> marxists and capitalists coming together because of a mining disaster. >> pictures of alex vega inside the capsule. we'll show you live on "fox & friends" when he comes out at the top. so we've seen cheers and tears in chile all morning as these miracle rescues are happening but the miners have been down there for 70 days. so could any amount of training have prepared them for this disaster? we're joined on the phone by mark rodomsky, director of the miner training program at penn state university. what an interesting job you

have, mark. good of you to be with us. >> good morning. thanks for having me. >> you were in charge of the situation in the u.s. in 2002 in pennsylvania, correct? >> well, we provided the training for that mining company that was involved with the invasion of water. >> that was the creek mining disaster. and those guys were not down there for 69 days and they were only pulled up from something like 300 feet and these guys down here in chile are about 1/2 mile underneath the surface. you do miner training. what are you training for? a disaster like this? something like this has never happened before. >> well, mostly we train them for prevention but a good portion of it deals with what to do if the unexpected happens. and so we have to spend a lot of time and a lot of resources on getting them prepared and getting them ready. hopefully the mine management and the mine is doing their part with the equipment and with the procedures and so forth so --

but the mine -- the miners have to be prepared both mentally and physically to do what they need to do to escape first and if they can escape, to take refuge like these miners have. >> and we just saw the capsule going up. he's on his way, mr. vega is. >> one of the things you talk about, marc, is there's something called expectations training. >> correct. >> what's that? >> well, it applies to different situations. for instance, the miners are given training on what to expect after they put on a breathing apparatus. that it will be hard to breathe. that the air may get warm and if they don't know this, if they're not given this expectations training, it comes as a big surprise and they could panic, perhaps take their apparatus off and so forth. in the case of the refuge chamber, again, they're told that these are some of the things to expect if you're trapped, if you have to go into a refuge chamber, you're going

to be nervous, you're going to go through these physiological and psychological changes. >> i know a few things that are happening. i know the president demand they drill three separate holes and the second hole ended up being the right hole at the right place. they were able to put the tube down and they're using this capsule that they call phoenix 2. what have we learned watching these engineers try to solve this problem that will help your business in the future? >> well, i think, you know, the accident in pennsylvania happened in 2002. eight years ago. obviously, there have been some technological advances. i think it just reinforces the notion of being prepared and having the equipment and the people ready to go and that's the reason for the improvements in rescue teams and continuous training so to be vigilant, to be trained, to be prepared, that's what we've learned.

>> no kidding. all right, mark who is a training of miners at penn state. mark, thank you very much. >> you're welcome. >> and there you can see the wheel is spinning right there. that means they're pulling the cable up. that means within the neck couple of minutes, alex vega will be on the surface of the earth. something he hasn't seen for 69 days and you will see it live here on fox in a couple of minutes. >> we have some other headlines to tell but this morning. police calling the case of that missing 10-year-old girl a homicide. hickory police now believe zahra baker is dead and they've charged her stepmother, with obstruction of justice. baker has admitted to writing a fake ransom note to distract officers from the investigation. police dogs who tested the smell of blood on her family's property. it's being called a gruesome message from mexican gangsters. a mexican police commander investigating the murder of american tourist david hartley was decapitated. the commander's head found in a

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he fought him off frantically kicking and throwing punches. >> i didn't really realize it until i got bit until after they got down and tore up the tree after me just self-defense, knocked them out of the tree. then i felt blood running down my leg. >> wow. wildlife officials think the bears were attracted to the smell of food on his clothes. he needed surgery and 40 stitches to fix that gash in his leg. lucky to be alive. >> one bear attack but a bunch of bears? that's a story. meanwhile, coming up straight ahead, dave ramsey with five new ways banks and credit card companies are making a quick buck off you and how you can opt out. >> excellent. then women helped elect president obama but one specific decision he made has them turning away in droves. what happens without the female vote for that guy? >> plus, the 10th miner on his way up about 12 minutes away right now. you will watch it live right here on "fox & friends." [ william ] three years ago, i started my first real job

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harpist not included. >> welcome back. fox news alert right now. 10th miner alex vega is on his way to the surface at this moment. he has hypertension and kidney problems. by the way, he's also married. he's 31 years old and a heavy equipment mechanic. he's worked for nine years in the mine. we'll bring you his rescue as it happens. he's somewhere in that cylinder. steve? >> we'll be watching it. meanwhile, new credit card rules means banks are no longer making money off of overdraft protection and penalty fees so they have found five new ways to take money out of your pocket. our personal finance expert, dave ramsey joins us live to help us out with this. good morning to you, mr. ramsey. >> good morning, sir, how are you this morning? >> i'm fine. leave it to the banks. let's talk about the five new

things. checking account maintenance fees, credit card, annual fees, credit card payment insurance, lost wallet protection and credit report monitoring. ok, five new ways to take our dough. >> ok. yeah, there's -- kind of -- some of them are old ways but they have a new spin on them like the checking account maintenance fees as an example, good way to avoid that. go to your local credit union and your local bank, community bank, all get a lot better deal from them and if you keep a balance on them, you'll be better off. credit card fees, obviously not have a credit card and be using your debit card instead. going that direction. credit card monitoring, you can do that yourself. it's a free -- you're going to get a free copy of your credit bureau report once a year. order a copy of that straight up and your credit card payment insurance. that means if you were to be sick or disabled, you would pay your credit card bill. a, we'll get you out of credit card debt so we don't have a

problem. b, if there's an emergency, you can pay your own bills and don't fall for the ripoff insurance tactics either. lost wallet protection is a good thing. keep a good list of all your accounts stored away so if something happens, you can fix your own lost wallet issues. >> right. do you have to opt out? do you have to call the bank? >> you have to opt out on some of these things. big deal is pay attention because, you know, for instance, we went with the checking account maintenance fees, people don't look at that. they look up, gosh, man, i paid $12 or $20 a month. that's $240 a year. that's a pretty nice meal somewhere so instead, i think i'm going to change the style of my account or change my bank or the balance i keep in that account to get rid of that particular fee. >> thanks for saving us money today. thank you, sir. >> good to be with you guys. thanks. >> all right. straight ahead, we're moments away from the rescue of alex vega, 10th miner in chile rescued after 69 days trapped underground there. stick around, the moment that capsule reaches the surface, you'll see it live here on fox

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them. you can see his face has changed. he is better. i told him that i love him and in moments, she will hug him. >> and he does have some health challenges. very interesting to see who is going to get to him first. this is one of the clearer shots we've seen before they get out of the phoenix 2 and as he gets out now, the crowd is still there. think about this crowd. thief been at it since 8:00 eastern time yesterday and they watched the first miner come out about 11:15 and the next one about 12:00 and then all these hours later. >> some of those people have been there near the mine for two months. wait. >> he can hear them doing the chants of "chile, chile, chile." and alex vega is ok. surprisingly enough, he suffers from kidney problems and

hypertension but as we have seen and spoken to our own dr. siegel here this morning about these rescues, he says a lot of their exuberance when they get out of that dap sul is from adrenalin. and then seeing their family members and shortly thereafter, they are whisked away, some on stretchers, to a makeshift hospital right there on site for about 45 minutes. here comes the embrace of his wife. >> yeah, we believe that is jessica, his wife. it's interesting, there goes the hat. i don't think i'd ever put that hat on after that. one of the fellows who was pulled out a little while ago said "i think i had extraordinary luck. i was with god and with the devil and god took me." right. so you have an embrace. they'll go to the hospital. pretty much know the pattern now and all of a sudden, that capsule will then go down to the bottom and they have 23 more to pull out. >> that particular capsule, i

understand, they worked with -- we had a little while ago a guy from penn state with us who is a miner trainer and he did the training for the miners in pennsylvania involved in the creek mining disaster. there he is showing off his t-shirt right there. and apparently this particular capsule, the phoenix 2 was designed in association with nasa and also the creek people and we're going to have that actual capsule, one of the capsules from pennsylvania with us in the next half-hour and you can see how tight of quarters it is for these guys. >> some of them even had to go on nutritional diets to be able to fit inside of that capsule. it's amazing when you look into the minutia of all the preparation of not only keeping the miners alive down there but just preparing for them to come back up to the surface. it's not like you just say, ok, they're ready now to come back up to the real earth. no, they had to take salt pills for dehydration and they had to take anti-nausea medication. they were testing their blood

and urine throughout this process. one of the miners had experience as a paramedic so he was able to draw the blood from beneath 1/2 mile beneath the ground. so doctors could keep their eye on the health of these miner for all those days. >> right now, they're about an hour ahead of where we thought they would be. it's going better but, you know, they're taking their time. the worse thing that could happen, they could say, is a rock could fall while some of these operations are going on and that would jam the capsule in the shaft. and then so they've got to be very, very careful but there is one guy who is so happy to finally be out. >> all right. so number 10 is out. they are now dropping the capsule to pull out number 11. meanwhile, straight ahead, president obama duking it out with ronald reagan? explain the differences between democrats and republicans when it comes to your money. yes, a movie is coming out that you got to see. >> uh-huh. >> then the 10th miner alex vega pulled to the surface. you saw it live right here. don't go anywhere.

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>> steve: 28 inches, that is the diameter of this rescue hole right there at the top. just imagine, 28 inches is their route to freedom. we're watching live right now and there you can see the wheel turning as it lowers phoenix 2 capsule in there. >> gretchen: we're believing the next guy is jorge, 56 years old. he would be 11th miner. here is how the process works. it takes about 15 minutes to letter the capsule back down half a mile underneath the ground and then they load up the miner, which takes a couple of minutes. we can see live pictures of that from underneath the ground and then it takes another 15, 16 minutes to bring him back up. we will bring that to you live right when it happens. we have dr. siegle who has been joining us throughout the morning to tell us about some of the medical ramifications of these miners. so far looks pretty good.

>> amazing. we're into the group of the ones with the most medical problems. the last person, alex vega, 31, but kidney trouble. that's problematic in an area of 86-degree heat and you're dehydrated. it's so hard to maintain kidney function, yet his skin color looked very, very good, which is a sign his kidneys may not have been as bad as we were concerned about. the next gentleman, 56, high blood pressure also, more of a problem as you get older. i am concerned about him as well. and as they rise them up out of the mine, the blood pressure can drop precipitously because the muscle tone isn't what you would expect it to be. >> steve: one of the worrisome things about this fellow, jorge, is the fact that apparently during one of those video conferences where they had the camera below and he talked to the people up top, he said, i don't feel so good. >> a lot of the blood pressure medications that we use actually make you even more dehydrated and they may not be so well

tolerated in a situation of great heat like this. where they may not be drinking, eating as much, it's amazing that the physicians involved were actually getting them through this, having them lose weight and yet maintain their health. >> brian: what do you do -- they're whisked away, wave and get talked to and put on stretchers and taken where and how -- >> they're taken to a local hospital gearing up for this. there's many things you can do for a hospital, in a hospital that you could never do down there, no matter how many doctors dieding you. ekg's, x-rays, full blood panels, give thermia venus lines. they'll get his blood pressure monitored properly. they'll make sure there was no damage to the heart. that's something we'll watch closely. >> gretchen: one of the fascinating things was to learn more today about the life that they have been leading down under ground for 70 days. i think many people in the american public believe that they were all sort of hunched over in one specific room and had no access to any other

avenues within the mine. but now we're hearing that one of the miners ran six miles a day inside the different areas of the shaft. >> exercise is key for keeping them in good health and apparently they also did a very good job at hygiene. where they went to go to the bathroom essentially without a bathroom. that's key because you can spread infection so easily in that kind of situation, yet they were able to avoid that. sounds like there were people in charge that had some degree of medical training. that helped a lot. >> brian: that is edison pena, 34 years old. he requested that elvis presley songs be sent down the mine. >> that translated into english. >> brian: in any language, elvis is elvis. >> steve: now, so we're looking at these pictures and finally, a good story, good news story that we're covering because we've had so much bad news lately. here is the thing, doctor, these guys will go home eventually and then at night it's going to be dark and they're going to wind up having flashbacks.

>> no question about it. they're going to have trouble sleeping, anxiety, what we call depersonalization. some of them may need medication. they may be suffering from depression for years to come. most are not going to choose to go back into a mine. also i'm concerned about the effects of the gas down there. so far we're not seeing anything. >> steve: what kind of gas? >> methane gas throughout mines that can cause a lot of irritability, problems with the lungs. carbon dioxide. floss way to really test for that. we're going to have to test -- they'll have to be tested in the days to come to make sure there is not any neurological problems that come from being down there. >> gretchen: one of the things we touched on here was the fact that many of these men were smokers and in the beginning they were sending down nicotine patches to them and then the requests started coming up, hey, we want the actual thing. we want some cigarettes. so they september them down. >> it really tells you something about the doctors who were advising them, that they basically had to adapt to the situation. nobody wants miners to be smoke

not guilty such a confined situation, but i have to tell you, there is no way under such stress they're going to quit if they're chronically smoking. it doesn't work. >> brian: but they have to do it. but is there a danger for the body, even a 30-year-old even when he stops? >> you go through some withdrawal, the nicotine patch would have taken care of that. but i'm more concerned about what the oxygen quality was and then they're smoking. obviously they did okay. >> steve: there you see a live picture and the cable still going down as it drops phoenix 2 down to the floor of the mine. going forward, though, some of these guys will have health issues and it will be interesting to see how the government of chile reacts. they're going to take care of them for a month or two or are these guys going -- we've already heard from adam housley. are they going to take care of them forever? >> they better, because there is long-term health risks. right now it's in the media spotlight, everyone is covering it. i want to see them be taken care

of for the rest of their life. we already talk about posttraumatic stress disorder, the effect of the toxin, the issue of what kind of damage has been done to their health down there that we haven't found out about, their hearts, their lungs, their neurological systems. a lot of them will never be exactly the same again. they need long-term care. >> gretchen: are you a psychiatrist as well? some of them may need psychiatric help and i'm not talking about being underneath the ground, but for familial situations. many of the stories that came out here, one gentleman had a baby born. his wife gave birth. he was able to see that on a video camera. but other stories started surfacing about mistresses and wives that didn't know about them. do we need a psychiatrist on the couch to tell us how that will pan out? >> what's interesting, i read in the reports that they offered them antidepressants, but none of them went for it. they toughed it out. but that's in an acute situation. down the line you'll see some depression and see a difficulty with them readjusting to normal

life. and yes, psychiatrists or psychologist also have to be involved. >> steve: dr. siegle, thank you very much for making your third or fourth appearance here. >> brian: and all night, you did an incredible job. >> thanks. >> brian: eight minutes after the top of the hour. other news breaking. >> gretchen: fox news alert, this time from afghanistan. nato says six of its soldiers are dead after three separate blasts in the country. they did not say what nationalities they were or explain the circumstances of the attacks. most happened in the east part of the country where local troops were focusing their attention. but their nationality not confirmed. another fox news alert. five people arrested in iran on suspicion of spying. ed identities not revealed. iran says the suspects passed on defense information to its, quote, enemies, common reference in iran for the u.s., britain and israel. it's being called a gruesome message from mexican gangsters. a mexican police commander investigating the murder of american tourist david hartley

now himself decapitated. the commander's head found in a suitcase outside a mexican army base yesterday. tiffany hartley, who says her husband was gun down by mexican pirates while jet skiing says she's deeply sorry about what happened to that investigator. >> i ache for him and his family. i mean, he didn't deserve it. he's doing what our authorities are doing for us in fighting for us. it's awful. my heart goes out to his family. >> gretchen: she hopes investigators will not give up the search for her husband even though they may now be afraid to keep looking. one of the country's biggest lenders, gmac mortgage, is expanding its investigation now of faulty foreclosures into all 50 states. gmac had stopped foreclosures in 23 states over allegations that several banks signed off on thousands of papers without checking the facts and even forging signatures. later today a group of 40 state

attorneys general will announce a government investigation into those facts. those are your headlines. >> brian: fox news alert, adam housley is outside the hole in which all the miners are coming up. we're up to number 11. adam, we saw it was going down, the capsule was going down up until three minutes ago. have they hit bottom? >> no, they're very close. there is a few meters. the next miner that will be getting is, jorge, 56. you might have heard the story, he's one of the men down there who kept everybody occupied because he plays the guitar. the first thing he asked for was for a guitar and it was sent down to him. the hole was just big enough to fit it. over the course of the last weeks, he's been one of the people that kept them occupied by playing and helping them sing and that kind of thing. he's a musician. 56 years old. he'll be brought up as soon as that capsule reaches the bottom. they're back to the 16 minutes it takes to bring them all the

way to the top. with gomez, two times ago, it took extra because of his breathing apparatus. but with the last miner, it was back to the normal speed. we'll watch and see if jorge comes up at the same time. joining me live quickly is tanya barrios. his uncle is in the mine. he's the 21st to come up. i talked off camera and my broken spanish works better. (speaking spanish). >> they're nervous because he's number 21. many more people before. 11 people before him. ten if you count this guy coming up. (speaking spanish) i asked her when did her family come out

here to the desert. so they came out here the first day in august, which would be august 5. some of the families have been here during the 17 days before they knew the men were alive. they held a vigil. not all the families did that. but some families and her family, barrios family, just about maybe 25, 30 feet from where i'm standing have been holding vigils since august 5. the one word i don't know is are -- what is the first thing they're going to do? they're going to ask in spanish. nine brothers are all going to get together with him. the first thing they're going to do, they're all going to get together. that's all her uncles and have a celebration. as you can see, these are the kind of stories we get here and we've heard from all the

families as they prepare. imagine what this woman and her family are going through, knowing the excitement of ten families already, 11th soon, and they still have to wait until number 21, until johnny barrios comes to the surface. guys. >> steve: adam housley doing simultaneous translation. well done. thank you. >> brian: adam is coming from a warm climate of los angeles. they're coming from 90 degrees, and both together they're adjusting to the weather because they both are coming up to 32-degree temperatures. >> gretchen: we'll keep our situation going there live for you when the next person comes to the surface. derogatory terms towards women, no big deal? jerry brown in california doesn't seem to think so. >> this is a five week old private conversation picked up on a cell phone. >> gretchen: the debate for governor of the golden state gets personal. we'll debate it next. >> steve: president obama duking it out with ronald reagan. a new movie describing the differences between democrats and republican when is it comes to your money. >> brian: and the capsule is headed down 2,000 feet

underground, ten miners rescued. the 11th is on his way. stay with us. we'll bring you all the action as it happens and capture the drama and that's what the capsule looks like.

>> steve: this is a fox news alert. you're looking at pictures from the bottom of the mine where just moments ago, the 11th miner, jorge gallegos has been loaded into the capsule. he's got hypertension problems. said he did not feel well. he's moments away from his journey to the surface that will take about 15 minutes. he is 56 years old. he's married. he reportedly has high blood pressure, a broken rib and hurt his back last year. take a look, you're looking at it live right now as they pull the cable up. you will see him when he emerges on the surface just about 12 or 13 minutes from now right here on fox. gretchen. >> gretchen: all right. in their final debate last night, california gubernatorial

candidate meg whitman and jerry brown addressed a wide range of issues. but the elephant in the room was a scandal over a telephone conversation. moderator tom brokaw told him the word represents to many women, the same insult that the n word does to african-americans. here is brown's response. >> i don't agree with that comparison, number one. number two, this is a five week old private conversation picked up on a cell phone with a garbled transmission. it's unfortunate. and i apologize it happened. >> it's not just me, it's the people of california who deserve better than slurs and personal attacks. >> gretchen: the candidates addressed the flap over whitman's long-time maid, but did they get through to the voters on the real issues? here in this morning's political panel, bob turner, republican candidate for u.s. congress in new york. attorney and fox news contributor, and nina easton.

good morning. let me turn to you. how did jerry brown do in responding to that question, the audience, you could audibly hear them boo? >> yeah. jerry brown is a career politician, okay? the first rule of politics when there is misbehavior involved in something whether it's you or your staff, apologize, and apologize profusely. jerry brown hasn't followed that number one rule. if you saw, he's trying to kind of explain it away. his apology was very tepid. this is a really tight race. and i think what jerry brown's actions are not helping him with women. i think it's really going to help meg whitman. >> gretchen: over the weekend, there was the report that his wife said the derogatory word and really probably doesn't matter who it is, whether it's five weeks old or five years old, it's an issue, isn't it? >> well, it is, but at the same time, we don't know who said it. >> gretchen: does it matter? >> well, it does, but at the same time, now that the national

organization of women, they still support brown. they support him. >> gretchen: surprise, surprise. >> and let me be clear, he did not say this. it was a staffer. so it's not like he's the one that's calling women out. he's the one that's against women. this was a private conversation. >> yes, i agree. he should have apologized but at the same time, he shouldn't necessarily lose all the votes because of something that was said. >> gretchen: there hasn't been a poll taken in california since this was revealed. how do you think it will change? >> i'm not sure it will. i think this whole issue is a side show and keeping the voters off the key issues of the economy. i don't think miss whitman nailed jerry brown as part of the establishment, part of the problem. >> gretchen: so you think they should have been discussing more about the issues, which they did last night, but the press is picking up on these issues. >> that's the side show. >> i would add on these issues, the big issue in california are pensions, retirement benefits, which are killing the state and

killing localities and draining money from the areas. >> gretchen: stick around. we'll be right back with more.

>> gretchen: fox news alert. we're still watching the mine rescues in chile. the 11th miner on his way to the surface now. he should be up in ten minutes from now. we will bring that to you live as it happens. back with our political panel. a new poll shows american women view the obama administration as a failure and with women historically voting in greater numbers than men, it could spell more trouble for democrats next month. let's take a look at some of those poll results. on health care, was it a failure or a success? failure, 56%. success, 29%. let's look at stimulus. success, 34%. failure, 53%.

this is from women. finally, the auto bailout. failure, 51%. success, 33%. i'm back with the panel. tamara, let me start with you. what does it say about women and how they're going to vote in the midterms? they don't like three of the basic things that obama has passed. >> sure. i don't think that women are happy, i don't think men are happy, black, whites, hispanics. everybody is upset with obama. but at the same time, that does not mean that american women are going to go out and vote for a republican. that does not mean that the vote all of a sudden transfers from the democratic party to the republican party. there are lots of statements coming from the republican party that are antigay, pro-life, anti-pro choice, all of these things that women want. they're just disappointed in the work of obama. >> gretchen: so men ha women, bob, are independent, so they might vote for the republican because they look at both candidates and make their decision. >> i think unemployment and paying the rent is gender neutral. they're suffering as everyone

else. and the drop in the popularity reflects the erosion proportionately in his overall failures. >> gretchen: are women registered more as democrats in this country than republicans. so this is significant, is it not? >> it's significant in the independent vote. they are reacting the same way independents are, which is we want a change, but we didn't want this much change. this is jarring. i just interviewed senator olympia snowe, republican from maine, centrist, voted for the stimulus, negotiating with the obama administration over health care, dropped off, condemns the health care bill. she was very strong opponent of it now. if you can't get olympia snowe on your side, you're not going to do a good job of getting independent women on your side. >> gretchen: tamara, women tend to go out to vote more than men, although we've seen in other polls that men, specifically white men, are very energized to vote this time. if a lot of women show up, this will not be good for the democrats, will it? >> i don't necessarily think that.

i don't think that women are necessarily going to show up to the polls and vote republican or vote for a tea partier. there are still core issues, gay, pro-life, pro choice. all these things that affect women. women make $11,000 less a year than men. we want equal pay. we want somebody who is going to fight for that and that's not a republican. >> gretchen: but in an economy and recession where jobs are the number one issue, all the social issues may not matter as much. great to see you all on a very busy news day. coming up, the number one women's water polo team in the world. but nothing is giving these women more media buzz than a photo shoot they did with espn totally in the buff. and coming up, we'll go live to chile for the rescue of the 11th miner. ten others reunited with their families. we'll look at what's like inside one of the capsules. steve or brian or both will head inside that thing, right back.

>> gretchen: fox news alert of the 8:30 on the east coast. 9:30 in chile where the 11th miner, jorge, is about to come out of that capsule. it has just come to the surface. it's a 15 minute ride from the bottom where we saw him loaded in thanks to a video camera half a mile below the surface. that is his family waiting for him. he is 56 years old. he apparently suffers from

hypertension and whatever kind of other health issues he may have encountered in the last 70 days since being underground. he's about to come out of that capsule and see his family and then be whisked away to the medical experts. let's go live to our own adam housley who is live at the mine where families await the miners. tell us more about jorge. >> gretchen, he's 56 years old, we're told. he was the man who played the guitar for the miners down below. one of the first things he asked for was a guitar. they september it down to him. he sang songs and kept them as part of the entertainment over the course of the last those days, whenever he got the guitar. they haven't given us the exact day. he's stepping out. go back down here moment tearily and the process will begin again. by my watch, this was a normal trip up. meaning about 14 to 16 minutes. they have had one trip a couple of hours ago when we were live

with you guys where it took alleges extra. that was the miner who needed the breathing apparatus. but they've gone back to that 14 to 16 minute time frame for the trip up. about 20 to 24 minute trip as the capsule goes down. as he steps out, we're told that he was one of the guys down below who kept things light, but he does have a few health issues. again, we're in that portion of the mine rescue, middle portion, where the men coming up are generally a bit older or they have some sort of health issue. he's 56 years old. and we believe the next miner may be juan guianes. there are two experts down there. every time one of these men emerge, you hear them chant chile. it's a chant they normally reserve for the football matches or soccer matches, and it's enlightening or heartening when you hear it and it's coming from all around this area. and for that matter all around

this country as each man emerges. you guys saw on air, we spoke with one of the nieces of one of the men who is ten away until it's his turn. so as we get closer, these families are still here, still waiting. they're seeing the other families have these great reunions and they hope for the same. we need to remind our viewers at home, every single one of these, while it seems routine, is anything but routine. all it takes is one rock to dislodge and this operation could take a serious turn for the worst. you can bet that rescuers are taking no chances. when they have a chance, when they need to, they grease up the wheels on that capsule. they're watching everything very closely. there is still the blue tooth communication inside. there is still a camera on the bottom and they still have the two rescuers down inside the mine with the remaining miners. gretchen. >> gretchen: we're seeing this amazing emotional time right now as this 11th miner comes out and hugs his family members. and also now the leader of

bolivia who he is hugging, who came because one of the miners who was rescued was from bolivia. he was only in the mine four days before this accident. >> right. and bolivia and chile don't necessarily have the best relations, but they have a close mining connection. the train that takes a lot of the minerals from here goes into bolivia. so the leader of bolivia flew in here, he drove right by us maybe ten minutes ago, if that. he drove the same road the families are going up. you see, i have to tell you, the look on the families' faces as they go up this road, as they ride in these cars, you can see the anticipation, at the same time, you can still see the worry because they know until they see that loved one, until they see that man take those first steps above ground for the first time since august 5, there is always a chance something could go wrong. so there is that hope, that optimism with that hint of worrisome that makes the look on

their faces ones that i haven't seen before and every single one, like a picture you keep in your mind. a woman who came by here, i'm not sure if it was his wife or if it was somebody else, a sister, i don't know the relation, but i saw her go by before the president of bolivia did and the look on her face was one that i've been seeing on many other faces over the course of the last 12 hours as families prepared for the rescues. and gretchen, every single one is one that is cheered around here, around the country, and being watched so closely by so many. gretchen. >> gretchen: thank you very much, adam. it's amazing the international cooperation there. sometimes when you're not even that friendly, aside from when you're rescuing, miraculously, 30 people from half a mile below the earth surface. we'll return to adam as it warrants during the rest of "fox & friends." so far, 11 miners have made it up safely into the capsule, especially made for that rescue and we were able to get a capsule just like that one. this is used to rescue men in

the queue creek mine disasser in 2002. and steve and brian went outside to check it all out. >> steve: joining us right now, bill arnold from the creek mine rescue foundation and josh and steve. the number one thing people say when they see the miners being brought up is i think i would freak out in something that size. if you remember, ladies and gentlemen, you saw this particular rescue capsule, the phoenix back in 2002 as bill, it brought out the nine miners from somerset county in pennsylvania. right? >> that's right. we had nine there at the rescue. we're hoping for 33 in chile. >> brian: if you're saying, i haven't seen one before, you're right. this is the only one we have in the country. >> the only one on the planet. now there is two. this one and the phoenix capsule in chile. >> brian: this is the way any miner should expect to be taken out, right?

>> each rescue is very different from others, but in a situation like this where you have to drill down into a small diameter shaft, this is the only way to do it. >> steve: sure. chris, come on over here. we'll take a picture. look at what these guys are standing in. that's where you put your feet. right? >> that's right. >> steve: i'm going to hop in. how much space is there here? >> it's 21 inches inside, exactly the same size as the capsule they're use not guilty guilty -- using in chile. >> brian: one thing different, i understand in chile they have communication devices, blue tooth built in. did you have that? >> no, we had hard wire systems, two hard wire system that were wired into the capsule and as a third back up system, we had a walkie-talkie. >> brian: how did does that feel? >> steve: it's really tight. i think the number one thing is, i would be positive that i would freak out. just imagine, earth is right

here. this went 300 feet at the creek, and the guys in chile, it's half a mile. >> ten times as deep. >> brian: check this out. you said you were about to send this down to chile. correct? >> the capsule is owned by the cue creek foundation. it was donated to the foundation for the government and one stipulation was that in the future if it were to be needed by the u.s. government for an emergency response that they would use it. bill was very close to taking it down to chile, but they had a little time to work with the will he did she did chilean army. >> steve: bill, during the cue creek disaster, there was one added thing, at one point during one of the lifts, it looked like the guy was going to drown. >> yeah. we had a lot of ground water in

the bore hole. so there were several points when the capsule was coming up that it was basically like a garden hose coming out on the guys. numbingly cold water. it literally took your breath away. >> brian: are there wheels on the other one? aren't there wheels to allow it to go up and down the shaft? why aren't they here? >> this was designed and built in 2002. they hadn't thought about that. in the chilean mine rescue, they didn't drill a vertical hole. they're not dropping it down a vertical shaft. they're riding it or rolling it down an incline. >> brian: don't lose this. probably going to need it. >> we promise. >> steve: sarah and bill and steve and josh, we thank you very much. these guys drove all night to bring this to us so we could see it live this morning. gretchen, back to you. >> gretchen: thanks. the next rescue we're waiting for is the 12th miner. it's expected to be edison pena, 34 and single. but he suffers from hypertension

and diabetes and he has hearing problems. but he's apparently a fit athlete who has been trained for a think at thrown and a big elvis fan. and everyone is talking about this new movie that pits president obama against ronald reagan in a boxing ring. the guy who made the movie up here next. then they're one of the best water polo teams in the world. but the latest media buzz is about their recent photo shoot. yep, they're in the buff, all nude. and the capsule on its way back down to the mine now. we're watching every second of this mission. we'll bring you every happy reunion as they happen.

>> brian: right now we're bringing you to the hospital where miner number 4 is

obviously with their families. that miner was taken out this morning. we are now up to number 13 and he is bolivian. he is with, i believe, is that with the bolivian leader? yes. morales. he is there and he insisted on meeting with the president. the president wanted to meet with him. and he came to chile to meet with the miner who has spent the last almost 70 days underneath the ground. 17 of which they did not know if we knew on the surface that they were alive. and 12, by the way, is coming up next. we'll be monitoring that as the capsule is now going down. government spending gets the hollywood treatment, but not how you might expect. >> professor, on behalf of the entire class, i would like to go on record and say socialism works. it gets rid of the upper and lower class. no one is rich, and no one is

poor. we would all work hard and we would share everything. >> oh, man, yeah. go us. >> sounds wonderful. we'll be able to have private jets. right? >> don't think it will work very well. >> brian: i want your money. it's a new documentary opening up friday. it runs down how the government is spending your cash and calls for a return from obama nomics to the days of reagan womannics. joining us is ray griggs. you are started a year ago to put this together. what prompted this move? >> basically what really inspired it was the $787 billion stimulus bill that obama passed when he got in office. that really started the motivation because i have kids and i was worried about the future that they're going to have and freedoms that i was given in this country. >> brian: you're rolling it out in a hundred theaters today. >> on friday. >> brian: friday, excuse me. we know a lot of the people that you asked to be in this movie. run through some of the people

we can hear from. >> newt gingrich, mike huckabee, john stossel, steve forbes. a lot of great experts in their particular field. >> brian: the message is? >> basically you have to look at what we're spending and how are we going to pay for this? we got two paths to go down, the one reagan stood for. >> brian: under reagan, do you want the days of big deficits? >> he had deficits, but nothing compared to what was going on today. the amount of spending. reagan spent $1.6 trillion in eight years. he created 28 million jobs. a huge difference from what's going on now. >> brian: what's also interesting, too, because if whoever comes in for president obama would be very similar to who came in for president carter. wasn't it very similar to the sentiment in the country and the attitude of this nation when president reagan took over from jimmy carter? >> you're exactly right. that's what we show in the contrast in the film when he took over.

unemployment was in double digits. 70% interest rates. >> brian: you elected to not use footage in a documentary. you're using animation. why? >> i'm not normally a documentary film maker, so i said if i was going to do something, i wanted to make it entertaining and break the politics down simple so someone could understand. i made it entertaining and enlightening. >> brian: the name is "i want your money." you're 36 years old, rolling out with a major movie and the message is pretty clear. you're concerned about the country and about this election in particular? >> correct. i'm wanting people to watch this film and make a difference this november when they go to see this film. >> brian: thank you for joining us. thanks for bringing the story to us and using a lot of the people here we see on fox news. >> thank you. i appreciate that. >> brian: meanwhile, coming up straight ahead, world class water polo team getting a lot of buzz not because of their skills, but their decision to take this team picture in the buff.

five members of that team here next. by the way, their skills are laudable. bill hemmer has never played water polo. that story coming up. >> amen. that's talent. >> brian: too much talent for hemmer? >> yes, actually. >> brian: okay, fine. >> martha and i will see you on the radio later today. >> brian: that will be great. >> what an exciting day this is. we will talk with one of the miners trapped for days in a pennsylvania mine back in 2002. he has some vivid ideas to what the men will soon face and they're extraordinary stories. we have every heart stopping rescue as it happens. also, a weekend debate in california, dana perino here. join us in ten minutes on "america's news room." we'll see you at the top of the hour.

>> steve: another fox news alert. great new pictures to show you of the fourth miner to be rescued earlier who is not from chile. he is from bolivia. the man to the right is the president from bolivia. >> brian: that's the president of chile there with the president of bolivia, along with the miner, fourth one to come up. the capsule is being lowered to the 12th miner. we're live at the mine and keeping our eye on every move. that is president morales as he was waiting for the fourth miner from his country of bolivia. >> steve: lot of breaking news. keep it right here on fox. gretch. >> gretchen: thanks. they may be ranked the number one water pole low team in the world, but nothing is getting them more than a photo shoot. five of the members join me today. betsy, lauren, heather, elsey,

and erica. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> gretchen: so undoubtedly this will get a lot of attention. you're in the buff. 12 of you decided to do it. why? let me start with you? >> i think we just wanted to show off our bodies. we are water polo players and strong, beautiful women and wanted to let the world see that. >> gretchen: lauren, obviously some people would say, this isn't a great situation for role models for our young kids to see nude photos. >> we've actually gotten quite a lot of criticism negative and positive, but the negative, taking their daughters out of water polo because they think that you have to be in the naked magazine to make the national team. but we're here to tell everybody it was completely voluntary. we want to do do it. you don't have to be super skippy to be beautiful. you can also be muscular. >> gretchen: what does it say about body image because so much emphasis is on photo shopping everything and not making that image realistic for youngers in our society. >> i think it should be

empowering for young women to see older women and see these healthy, athletic bodies that you can have and be proud of them. >> gretchen: i don't want to shock any of you, but we're going to take a picture of me when i was younger. i showed it to my daughter yesterday and she said, who is that? i said, that's mommy when she was chubby. so i was athletic as well, did not play water polo. chubby little girl, but i had a secure body image and eventually lost weight and everything was fine. but talk to me a little about how important it is to give that positive body image message to our young girls. >> i think it's so important and i think that's a lot of the reason some of us chose to do the shoot is to show off muscular bodies and athletic bodies and you don't have to be a size 0 to be beautiful. >> gretchen: erica, how intimidating was it to do this shoot? i can't imagine taking all my clothes off and having people taking photos. >> surprisingly, it wasn't that bad. i think we practically live in

bathing suits and we're comfortable with each other and the environment we were in was comfortable and of course, you see yourself on a news stand and you're like, oh, wow, there we are. but in the moment, in the process, we were just enjoying the photo shoot and the whole experience. >> gretchen: continued success as the water polo, the best team in the world and thanks for sharing your thoughts with us this morning. >> thanks for having us. >> gretchen: coming up, 11 chilean miners have been rescued. we'll have more unbelievable pictures like this one when we come back.

>> steve: fox news alert. we're going to show you pictures >> bill: fox news alert, we're going to show you pictures.