program this morning and good morning, everybody, cheers and tears of joy, the 11 of 33 chilean miners just pulled out of that dark, humid doneon -- did you dungeont could have been a tomb. this started shortly after midnight local time last night, so many americans i'm sure stayed up late to watch. i was one of them. here was one of the first rescues as the world watched. >> [applause] bill: he was

prepared, huh? he came up with a bunch of rocks downstairs -- downstairs, i said -- under the ground and passed them out as souvenirs to reporters and rescue workers there. that was cool. this is a live picture coming in from a hospital. we want to show you that. they will stay there at least 48 hours, each of the miners, one by one, and we also saw a live picture, that spinning wheel we've been watching the last half day that's rotating clockwise. when it's rotating clockwise, that means the shaft is coming up yet again and that -- well, i guess the mechanical missile they created to help bring these men to safety is bringing yet another minor up to the surface of the earth. i think they're the best. martha: unbelievable, wasn't it? >> bill: hard to turn it off. martha: it was, it was great, and we're about a third of the way through. a third of the way through. bill: good morning, everybody, we have a great program for you not just in chile but with the election 20 days away, i'm bill hemmer, good to have you here. martha: good morning, bill hemmer, i'm martha

maccallum. the world is watching as these men are reunited with their loved ones, breathing fresh air, can you imagine, for the first time in two months. bill: remarkable. each rescue taking an hour to complete and they cet up -- set up a camera, the government of chile did, underground, you see the flag in the background and this, one of the first rescuers to go down and check on everybody before they started ascending to earth, traveling half a mile through solid rock in a contraption a bit wider than a man's shoulders. those lifted out of the san jose mine at the moment, reportedly the ones with some health issues, that's the middle group, they're very meticulous in how they figured out who went first, who would go in the middle and toward the end. adam housely has been watching this live in chile. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, bill. edison pena is the minor was name, in the middle of that 2000-foot trip from the depths of the mine. all the way up here to the

top. he's in his 30s, we're told he's in pretty good shape. he's been the one lead ago lot of the exercises down there but in recent days had become a bit depressed. we're in that portion of the minor group, the second group as it's called, where we're seeing more health issues or other issues, in this case, they believe he was a bit depressed and wanted to get him out thereof and he's on his way up right now. a couple of miners came up with health issues, the ninth minor had a breathing apparatus and they slowed down the process considerably, a 14-16 minute trip up, they originally said 20 minutes, they're beating that by six, eight minutes, depending upon -- one was as quick as 12 but he was 20, and as pena is coming up, it's at a normal speed. the trip down has been 20-24 minutes, much quicker than they originally thought was going to be the case. you talked about the flags down below, each minor has a flag, the families sent them down to them, they've signed those flags, written all sorts of notes of

encouragement on those flags, as they come up many are predicting the chilean flags with the writings and signatures to their family, others are bringing up other mementos from the mine, it's been a mine that's been their home since august 5th, when they were trapped 2000 feet below the desert in chile. as we speak right now, the president of pw*eufa is also here, along with the president of chile, they've had a chance to watch the most recent rescue and the bolivian president is meeting with the one bolivian minor, waiting in the hospital for his president to arrive, he will be flown to copriato, where the main hospital is, where all 33 miners will eventually end up. the 34edic -- medics are telling us they're extremely pleased with the condition of the miners, the weakest ones, coming up now, are better than they thought and they hope this continues. remember one thing, each successful one is a great moment, a moment that unites a lot of people across this globe but every single one is extremely tedious and extremely dangerous and we

still have a lot to go. bill: i can't imagine what it's like to be there, adam, and watching all that unfold before you over the night hours, when the desert temperatures dropped so low, right around freezing, and you know it's about 90 degrees down that mine shaft, and the operation has gone so well so far, yet an a -- you had an austrian company come in, two american companies came in to pitch in, drill the well to get the men out and so far, so good. you mentioned the health conditions, the way i understand it, the healthiest miners went up first because they were worried about claustrophobia or if something went wrong in that shaft, that the men would have a better chance of getting through to some of the others, so this middle group now, that's the group of men who have the worst health conditions, the worst health situation at the moment, but so far, so good for them. is that how they broke down who they determined who came up stpheurs and ultimately, when we get to number 33, and based on the way things are going, we will get to

number 33, who comes up last, adam? >> that's a good question, bill. they had a preliminary list of what they thought was going to take place by being able to monitor these men literally by the hour from above. that's one of the other stories of this amazing rescue, is the mechanism, the actual capsule itself and the mechanics of all of it, but you also have the men and women who kept these men healthy both physically and mentally, but they had a preliminary list and they followed it, the medic went down, the rescuers went down and they have the ability to alter that list any way they want to. the strongest will go first and last, the weakest in the middle. who the last name will be, we're now being told it could change, and it may be changed up until the last moment. will the rescuer be the last one out. that's one thing to take into consideration here. the first person to make that trip was a man who went down 2000 feet, he's still underground right now, going into a dungeon where the other men have lived since

august 5th, not knowing if he would return or be down there entombed with the rest of them, the man who definitely has guts beyond belief and he's down there coordinating all this with the men above and he may be the last one out. that would actually solve some of the issues and debater who the last minor will be. the man out last may be the man that went in first. bill: we're watching, by the way -- we were watching, by the way -- these are live pictures, by the way -- the cable that goes down into that square hole and it is dark, it is ominous, it is almost a path to hell, and these men are coming up from that path as we speak. back to adam hos housely and martha has more. martha: you can imagine how long those 15 minutes must feel on the way up, 14, 15 minutes inside that shoulder-width capsule bringing them to free do. here's basically how it all went down. two groups of miners descended into the mine back on august 5th around 2:00 in the afternoon, hours later a

landslide caused a tunnel to collapse, the tunnel that they had come in through. one group working near the entrance was able to escape. the second group of these 33 miners had gathered amazing ly enough to eat their lunch, 2300 feet under the ground, in this area where they were able to stay, safely, while they were trapped during these 69 days. it's an absolutely incredible story. bill: how many times not only in this country but around the world where we hear about the operations where miners are trapped and they do not get out and they have operation necessary place, where they have safe rooms and oxygen and food down there. martha: but they never get to it. bill they don't get to it or the supplies aren't there, we've seen it happen in pennsylvania, west virginia here, but this time t. worked. seventeen long days later that martha mentioned, the miners reveal that all 33 were alive, attaching a note in red ink to one of the probes sent down to search for them. september 24th, day 50, that's the day the chile mine collapsed, became the

longest effort ever, and the men lost up to 22 pounds in body weight, one of them, one of them, has become a father. martha: one became a dad while he was there, another one was proposed to and is now engaged, he comes up to get ready to plan a wedding. it's a remarkable story. and joining me now is mine safety expert bruce dial. welcome. talk to me a little bit about, you know, you have a background in mine safety and inspection, have worked in this field for decades. when you see these guys coming out, they appear to be very composed. they seem to have gone -- things seem to have gone as well as they possibly could among these 33 men in this small space. >> yes, it's very miraculous that they've been able to withstand the ordeal of being down there two months, and then the excitement and the ordeal of coming up this shaft, it's never been -- no rescues have ever been done like this before.

not at this depth and this heat and that amount of technology that they used to get them out. martha: when you bank those initial 17 days, all these families, what all they went through, probably assuming in many cases the worst, then learning that indeed they had been in this area that allowed them to survive, you know, it's just an unbelievable story for these families on the outside. >> that's right. yeah, they were probably trained on what to do in case they were trapped, but they were never trained on how to handle it to this extent. martha: talk to me a little bit about, you know, mine safety and what we've learned about this. as we were talking about moments ago, sadly, in most cases, it doesn't end in this way. you know, what have we learned from this accident and this collapse near this tunnel that maybe they can improve on the next time around? >> i think we've learned quite a bit about the cooperation that it took between the government, the mining company, the miners,

the media, everybody cooperating with the main focus of getting these miners out. martha: you know, they've been down there for 69 days. you know, for these men, this is their livelihood, and one of the men was sort of a part-time worker down there. how do you recover from this kind of thing and how do you get back down into that mine, you know, if this continues to be your line of work? >> some of these miners, this will be the last time they ever go in the ground. a lot of them will probably go back underground. this is how they earn their living. once they get out and get back into a normal lifestyle that they're used to, they'll probably go back into the mine, because that's what they know. martha: incredible story. thank you very much. and we're watching the cables as they continue to go down and it's extraordinary. you wonder what it's like. i keep thinking about what it's like to be inside that capsule for those 14 or 15 minutes as you're coming back up to the surface of the earth after all of those

days, and what thoughts must be going through your mind. bill: what a great day for that country, too. martha: that is a great day for chile. they handled this extraordinarily well. you know, you look at how many things can go wrong in situations like this. the ability of them to get on fairly well down there together, the exercise routines, the diet that they had to ascribe to in order to have enough food for everybody down there, they lived on two table spoons of tuna fish in the early days, it's truly an extraordinary example of brotherhood and teamwork. bill: and great leadership, too. this is another live rescue. let's just hang with this a moment here. there was a name that went on the screen, i missed it at the bottom there, it was in spanish. i'm not sure if it's edison pena. martha: edison pena is number 12. bill: he's the lucky man of the hour. because this is his moment. and assuming that may be his wife or family member standing by, the chilean president has been there,

you know what the chilean government d. it was all hands on deck, they brought in a team from austria -- austria, recruited an american company, they got help from nasa, that the way you handle a tragedy. martha: you look at the other situations where help has been turned away from other countries or when countries were too proud to ask for it. here he is. edison pena. they're all coming out with the dark glasses on as they adjust to the light and there are health concerns, especially for this middle group. adam housely has been covering this throughout the night and adam joins us now. adam, this is number 12, we understand, edison pena, now a free man. >> reporter: right, yeah, edison penaa, he -- pena, a free man. he is going to see his family. we're more than one third of the way of the miners being rescued. that's a good sign. they're ahead of schedule, they're still being very cautious with the capsule itself, stoping it to grease

the wheels every few times. you can hear the cheering. it does not get old. i got to tell you, so many sad stories. these are the ones you're going to remember for a lifetime. every time those cheers, those families get the chance, they see them drive by as you go up, every tile, and they come back and provide encouragement to the other families that are still waiting here, many of them have a long way to go and have many hours to go, and a very cold night to go until they have a chance to make that trip. you hear the same cheer in the background, basically a chile cheer used for a lot of the football games here, now being used to welcome the latest minor to set foot above ground and back into freedom. it's quite a sight. he will now, as we talked about, go to the field hospital for about an hour, gets which could up, then he's loaded on to a helicopter and flown to copiapo. these are the middle groups, the guys that have issues of some sort. this man is physically strong, he's one of the ones that led the exercises down there but he's also somebody who's been depressed in

recent days, martha. martha: you can certainly see how that could happen and even when they knew they were getting close to this moment, if that depression sets in, the psychological side of it is huge, you know, just keeping yourself bolstered and keeping yourself positive and trying to, you know, lean on each other and getting ready for this, it's so extraordinary, and you watch this, and i love the way, when they do get out, everyone kind of gives them their space for a moment, because you have to be very careful, you don't want to crowd these guys and they allow the wife or the girlfriend or family member to come closer, and to get that hug that they've been waiting to get for 68 days, and now you see him, because he is in this middle group, on the stretcher, being carried out and he will be examined at the hospital. so far their reports from the hospital have been good. bill: in a moment we're going to bring out an american. go ahead, adam? >> reporter: sorry, i wanted you to keep in mind, too, these men, because they're miners, they know the dangerous situation

they're in, they know this trip is not easy and as we watch this and see these amazing moments, they know that every single time, all it takes is one minor hitch and this whole operation could be thrown off so, these men, maybe that's why they have that problem down there, a few of them with the depression, because they know that they're so close, yet potentially, so far from freedom. bill: i mentioned american tom fow -- foy, he was trapped for three days in the mine disaster in pennsylvania in 2002 and he's going to be on the program in a matter of minutes and he makes amazing revelations, really, about what these men are about, who get involved in this for the rest of their lives. tom foy is in his 60s, trapped there three days, brought to earth and he's fine, he says he's settled and well adjusted, all he wants to do is work a hard day, not a minor anymore, but come home to his family at the end of the day. but for these younger men, they're going to be supposed to something they've never been supposed -- exposed to before ever in their lives,

whether it's book deals or tv appearances, who knows who could come their way, and to deal with that and adapt, tom foy says is the biggest challenge for the men now, especially the the younger -- not the older gentlemen. he makes the point between age because he thinks when you're older you're a bit more settled and have different priorities but some of the men in the late 20s, 30s, they'll have enormous challenges and that will be part of the recovery going forward. martha: they do sort of a check of this capsule after one person gets out to make sure that it's safe, that nothing is damaged on the way up, that they can send it back down and get ready for the next person. imagine the anticipation, if you're a family member and check thank list over and lever, there's number 12, my loved one is number 14, 15, number 30, 31, how you have to pace yourself to get through this process and hope that your loved one is going to have the same experience of coming up safely as youe already seen 12 people do. you know t. requires an extraordinary amount of restraint and patience and these people, i'm just so

impressed by these families and this process and this country's ability to do this in such a complete and enduring way. so it's really been quite impressive. bill: sure has. we are watching this remarkable rescue on a great occasion to check out, believe it or not, a new website in the fox news family, and i'm telling you, timing is everything, fox news latino.com, issues affecting hispanics everywhere, it's online and we encourage everybody to check it out. they put together a great staff and wonderful website for a growing population in america and we're proud to welcome them into the fox family, fox news latino.com. martha: great for fox news and the new website. three weeks now until the midterm election as we switch gears for a moment and talk politics, and the democrats' campaign machine is starting to pull ads out of some races. fox news contributor karl rove is going to join us with the significance of the

canceling of some of these democratic ads out there and what republicans are doing to counteract it. bill: house speaker nancy pelosi up for reelection in only one race, her home district in california, but it seems the candidates all around the country are running against her. what's that all about? we'll debate it. there are ads up from coast to coast. martha: did you see this? unbelievable, last night in the california debate, candidate jerry brown responding to accusations of a slur against meg whitman and wait until you hear what he said on it. dana perino can weigh in on that. >> have you chastised your chairman pete wilson who called the congress whores to the public sector union? >> you know better than that, jerry, that's a completely different thing. the fact that you are defending your campaign --

martha: all right, here's the scene in chile right now, they are working on bringing up the 13th minor, carlos barrios is the 13th minor to come up. we're not sure if they're getting ready to do a news conference or what they're doing, but the process, we've seen it takes about 20 minutes to get back down and get that person ready to go. we will be covering all of that and it's really going so well so far. we're grateful for that. number 13 is the next person to come up and we'll get you back there as soon as that gets underway. bill: keep it rolling. 23 past the hour. it was a slur against women, spoken by an aide to governor jerry brown that grabbed the headlines last night at a debate in california. brown is running against republican meg whitman, the moderator, tom brokaw, broached the topic that the two candidates followed and this is what you got from the golden state last night:

>> we've heard no outrage from you about the use of that kind of language, which to many women is the same as calling an african-american the n word. have you been in charge of the investigation in your campaign to find out who was responsible for using that phrase? >> i don't agree with that comparison, number one. number two, this is a 5-week-old private conversation, picked up on a cell phone with a garbled transmission, very hard to detect who it is. the campaign apologized promptly and i affirmed that apology tonight. >> it's not just me, it's the people of california who deserve better than slurs and personal attacks. that's not what california is about. it is not our better selves, and i think people know exactly -- i think everyone californian and especially women, know exactly what's going on here and that is a deeply offensive term to women. >> could i just interject. have you chastised your chairman pete wilson who called the congress whores to the public sector unions?

>> you know better than that, jerry, that's a completely different thing. the fact that you are defending your campaign -- the fact that you are defending your campaign for a slur and a personal attack on me i think is not just -- it's not bee at this timing of the office you're running -- bee fitting of the office you're running for. >> dana perino, good morning to stkpwhraou good morning. bill: obviously we have the split screen in case there's news from chile and if i have to interrupt i apologize in advance. how did he do? how did she do? how do you evaluate that exchange? >> i think what's most -- what you're trying to do in debates at this point, if you're trying to sway any voter, you're trying to hold on to the ones that decide to vote for you and get the undecided to go your way. i think she did very well. for those that like jerry brown's style of politics, he did a good job. from a communications standpoint, my advice to him

would have been tom, it was said, is was inappropriate, i've apologized, i hope she will accept my apology and i hope tonight we can talk about the most important things for california, et cetera, et cetera. he didn't do that and that was an unfortunate moment for him. bill: i'm sorry, it shouldn't have happened, let's get back to the issues and she could have said you can say whatever you want, i'm going to talk about the economy, the billions and billions of dollars we've spent. >> she should have said i accept the apology, let's talk about creating jobs and i'll tell you, i'll the best at it because i've done it before. bill: but the thing they did not talk about was the made issue. you told our producer, men are so funny when it comes to talking about women. explain yourselves. >> the other thing that he said in the debate last night which you didn't show was that the w word, i don't know why they can't say it on tv, the w word is not as offensive to women as the n word is to african-americans, and

that's why i said why doesn't he just apologize and move on? they get themselves all wrapped around the axle so much and instead of just being gracious, he decided to push deeper, so for any women who were on the fence, they might decide to tip into her camp. bill: do you think that's unique to men or do women do the same thing? you know, fes up to it, get it out in the open. >> no, i think -- >> bill: get it on the table so you can take it off the table. >> in my experience, women from either side of the aisle don't use that kind of language about machine. i mean, they're just too busy, they got to get a lot done. the other thing, in that debate, that you didn't get a chance to show is that jerry brown has really decided to push forward with this class warfare theory of his and the strategy is to try to divide the state between the rich and the poor and i think that she has an opportunity here and has taken it, and this is why the race is so close, to say that everybody deserves a chance to be prosperous and that's why i want to --

what i want to try to provide to people. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. bill: take to you soon, all right? >> all right. bye bye. bill: dana perino, on the event last night. i woke up and it was like wow! >> martha: got better things to do! bill: in california, they went for an hour. i think that's the final debate between brown and whitman before the race in 20 days. martha: all right. we know that the capsule is on its way back down in chile to get minor number 13, and some of the folks, as they wait for all of this to happen, what's going through their minds as they wait down there? it's just an incredible story that's unfolding as we watch it live in "america's newsroom". we're going to get to this 13th minor moments from now. we'll talk to somebody who was rescued from a mine, knows what this is like firsthand. bill: he's got a story, too. check out foxnews.com, we have a wonderful interactive tool and information on each of the miners. follow them one by one, until we count up to number 33. check that out online as we go to commercial break.

back in a moment here.

bill: fox news alert now, we're awaiting the rescue of minor number 13, the rescue capsule has gone down, a rescue operation that's been two-months in the making. what a remarkable sky it is, ocean blue in chile, we've seen 12 miners come up, waiting on number 13. hopefully at the end of the day, either today or early

tomorrow morning, we'll be at number 33. what we showed you when the eighth minor made his way out, again, 33 in all making their way to the surface, a pennsylvania drilling crew digging the rescue tunnel out to them, to their rescue, the company that helped free nine trapped miners from the kew creek mine in pennsylvania in 2002 and what a scene that was. remember that, nine alive, that was the headline across the newspapers in america. you saw the animation, that's how we've best been able to represent how this capsule is going down beneath the earth and what you're looking at now is the videocamera set up by the government inside the mine itself for the last few days to watch the rescue and make sure the miners are okay down there, the operation is running smoothly. so far, so great. tom foy is one of those rescued miners, he now worked for that drilling company, center rock incorporated, live in berlin, p.a. good morning to you, you're 61, right? >> 61! bill: when i was with you,

the kew creek in southern pennsylvania on that day, what a great day it was, by the way, you were 52, you were trapped for three days. i can't imagine being down there for 60-plus days. you say the three days down there were a living hell. have you been able to relate to what these men have gone through, tom? >> well, like you said, we have different conditions, and their conditions were ten times different than ours. i mean, ours was darkness, soaking wet, cold, nothing to eat, and these guys, i mean, still, they got to be a bunch of tough guys to last that long and keep their heads together, that's all i got to say about that. bill: it's dry for the most part for them, as we look at some video of the capsule coming out of pennsylvania there, but it was wet for you guys. you had a running river underwater and that water was freezing, wasn't it, tom? >> yes, it was, buddy, and there was no way to keep warm. i mean, you're soaking wet,

we tried to go through it and it didn't work out that way, it ran faster than we did. so it was just hard, the whole ordeal there. bill: can you give us an idea for how the lives of these men will now change? i mean, you were 52 at the time, you're now 61, so you were on a little later in your life, but some of these guys, late 20s and 300s, what are they -- 30s, what are they in for? >> they're in for a run of hell, they got to keep their head straight, not think about what happened here, and i hope they don't go back underground. i mean, if they do get any kind of -- they put it to good use, choose not to go back to that a situation like that. bill: you chose not to go back to mining. why was that? >> family, for one thing. family said they didn't want me back. so i just listened to them.

and the president of the company here, he was the one that -- i wanted to go to work for him, i've been working there ever since. bill: sounds like you're doing well. >> we're doing good, but it's just hard to talk about that. bill: i bet it is. i can hear it in your voice. >> yep. bill: and i'm sure you followed this story, haven't you, every day? >> every day, we was up last night until a quarter -- i mean, 17 after 11:00 is when we brought the first one out and we were all -- the rescue was set up there, we had the cameras set up and were watching it there. bill: what kind of feelings did you have when you saw the first minor emerge? >> hell of a good feeling. i remember that. i mean, it hits you in the guts but you have to just take t. simple as that. i mean, it hurts. bill: you were broad up third in 2002. >> yes. bill: i know there was careful consideration given to the list for who goes

first, towards the middle and in the end. why did you come up third, is there a reason for that? >> we just want to get the ones that had medical problems first, we had to take our boss, who was definitely having hard problems, stuff, and breathing, and then the youngest one, my son-in-law, then they said pappy, you're going next and i had to follow my son-in-law. i ain't going to argue with the guy. he put me in there and i'll guarantee, i'll come up first any day. bill: well done. you say we're all like brothers. hey tom -- >> that's what we are. all coal miners, like a trucker or anybody, buddy, you hate to hearing something about this. bill: thank you tom. >> all righty buddy, catch you guys later. bill: best with you and your -- best to you and your family out of berlin, pennsylvania, rescued in 2002. by the way, that's the camera in the mine shaft itself where you see the capsule come down and break through that hole opening. so that tells us that a 13th minor is waiting to emerge.

thirteen of 33. cool day, huh? cool day. martha: incredible. he gives you a sense of that emotional section -- connection to your work and your lifestyle and what you do and the fact you may never know back down there again, so all of that complicates the question for the miners as they go forward, what's life like now, what am i going to do for a job, how are things changed after that august 5th day when i just went to work one day and suddenly i'm in the center of this huge rescue mission, thank goodness, and where do you go from here? we're looking at a live shot, 10:38 a.m. in copiapo, chile, they sent down a third rescue worker so he went down into the mine, so now you've got three men down there whose job is to help the others get up. most likely they will be the last ones to be down there, so that nobody, you know, the 33rd person isn't standing down there by themselves waiting to head up. adam housely is live at the scene there and has the latest for us. adam, over to you. >> reporter: yeah, martha,

before we talk about that rescuer, you can hear the military march by. listen to this: as they march by singing, you hear it, here come the family members who have just had a chance -- you can hear the clapping for the family and for the military. here come some of the family members who have had a chance to see their loved ones, one lady, looking at the pictures on the camera, their loved ones, one of the last two, is now in a field hospital but they're coming out here, doctors, mothers, wives of that man. i mean, you got -- god only knows what they're thinking now, other than relief, worry is gone, but they are remain here. that's what the families are doing, they will remain with the other families waiting their turn, and with each step, of course, they're one step closer. back to that rescuer. we were originally told, the first plan, that four would be going down, then it was two last night and that was supposed to be the plan. we told you it's a fluid situation and as the 12th

minor stepped away from the capsule a third rescuer went in and has just gone down. he should be landing down there in 6-8 minute sos that means there will be one more rescue capsule turn than we thought when that rescuer has to be brought back u we don't know why, we're working on it now, we have producers trying to find out if there was a development or if he's there to give the other two men who are there coordinating this a break because they have been down there. it's a very stressful situation as you might imagine, now since before midnight last night. real quickly, the 13th minor who will come up after this rescuer goes down, carlos barrios is his name, he's 27, he's divorced. the reason i mentioned him, they all have an interesting story, when he got a letter from his girlfriend in the mine, told him that for the first time, he was going to be a father, so he found out he was going to be a father, 2000 feet under the ground when he was stranded down there with 32 of his fellow miners. he's been working in the mines ten years, he comes from a family of miners and as your last guest said,

martha, it crossed language barriers for miners, no matter where you're from, you're part of the same fraternity and there are many across the globe watching with big smiles on their faces knowing that this is a development, a positive development, for all of them, especially with any future possible rescue attempt that is might happen martha: adam, i'm curious, we're listen to go tom foy from the kew creek situation and he basically said that his family didn't want him to go back down, his wife completely -- life completely changed after he came up. have you gotten a sense from the the families you're speaking to about how they feel about that? >> yeah, you know, there are a couple that have come from families of miners that have other brothers and uncles and fathers that have worked in the mines before and still work in other mines. a lot of these families say that this will be the last trip down. some of the older men were talking about retirement before this happened, others say they want to spend more time with their families, and the belief here, at least in chile, is a lot of them will get some money from the government, from the mining company, and also

some opportunity toss do television and stuff in latin america, they're becoming national heroes and their lives will be changed forever. will one of them go back down? potentially one or two will go back down. we've heard a couple of rumbling that is a couple of them can't give it up but a lot of them are done with mining for good, very happy they have a chance once again to walk up here with everybody else. martha: boy, unbelievable. we're watching that cable goes down, it gives you a sense of just how far down they are underground. adam, thank you. we'll be back to you in a moment. we have live team coverage as we wait for the 13th minor to come up, carlos barrios is next. bill that's ominous, isn't it? look at that picture. it's like the nightmare of the worst kind when you think about how dark and deep that is. in the sayingo mining disaster, what a completely different set of circumstances. the range of emotions when you thought they were found alive, and then all hopes dashed hours later, and the amount of confusion and the

hope that was -- that suddenly turned to the worst possible scenario, only one person survived, randy mccoy, he has a set of physical and mental challenges, and he's doing all right given the circumstances, but that was the story that really turned into a nightmare for the mining community of west virginia, and as tom foy talked about, everybody can relate to what these men are going through, and also the family members who are not down in the earth but waiting for the best possible outcome up top. and you heard adam with a woman earlier today, a few hours ago, she went there to the mine on august 5th, that was the day it happened, she hasn't left since. martha: incredible. bill: waiting and hoping every day. martha: the families have been sitting vigil and waiting for this moment today, and a lot of interaction between the families as well. it's been tough for them. bill: we are waiting now on number 13. and the capsule that has performed so well, made by this company out of austria, and they said that the pulley system they're using

was in no danger at the moment, because they were concerned about overheating. there you see the pulley right there -- of overheating because the wench connect to it was not operating under maximum capacity. that's a very good thing. because they have given considerations if they run into a problem or the claustrophobia freaks somebody out, which is entirely understandable on the trip back up to the ground level, they could speed up the process. so it's a good thing there's no overheating and everything is working the way it is. very high remarks from everybody across the board so far, and we hope it stays that way, certainly. martha: i was thinking about the fact that we talked initially in these stages about christmas, that it would be christmas when they got out, and there's another thing that they handled i think very well. and maybe perhaps overestimates the time it was going to take rather than underestimating the aeuplt of time it was going to take because now it's a nice surprise that they're coming out in october, not even quite mid october, and they thought it may be christmas. bill: expectations that have been met. dr. marc siegl is on the

-- was on the air late last night. i don't think he went to bed, actually. he talked about the danger of methane gas and the dangers to these men, and so far, it has not seemed to get in the way for these men, and we talked to tom foy, he was only a couple hundred feet below the earth, which from my point of view is deep enough, but these guys were 2000 feet and the area where they were mining which is so critical to the national economy of chile is -- it is hard and it is tough, and it is not easy to make a hole through. hence, the reason why companies out of berlin, pennsylvania went down there to help out, and the chilean navy engineers, they built three different capsules and the one they're using is called foonix, for the mythical bird that rises from ashes, painted in the white and the blue and the red colors of the chilean flag. martha: an american who worked on the drill structure was pulled over from afghanistan because he

had experience advertise that could help out in this and he left, as soon as it was clear to him they were going to be able to start bringing these guys up, he said this is their moment, this is chile's moment, i've done what i needed to do, and he was very excited for them and is going to be watching it all on tv, but he said i'm not here on this situation, i'm going to let these people have the glory of having pulled this off. and you hope, and it's in a continually positive way. bill: years ago for the younger people in our audience, they will not remember this, i think it was september 1987, was it baby jessica, she fell down a well in texas? >> martha: it was a similar feeling. bill: she was down there for days. that was long before we had even a possibility you could have communication down in the hole, a tunnel, or let alone a camera. and the day she emerged, it was at nighttime, i think it was around 8:00 at night, the sun had fallen, it was a dark american fall evening and she came up and was handed to that rescuers and it was like wow! there is hope again. martha: and across the upbts

-- united states, everybody was so happy to have that moment and you magnify that by 33 families, who have been waiting for their baby jessica, their loved one to be brought up out of this mine, it is an extraordinary story and extraordinary work on the part of these rescuers. bill: that was a moment 23 years ago. martha: she's married now i think. bill: living a great life, probably, and now we have 33 great moments that we'll continue to bring to you here in "america's newsroom". back to chile in a moment. i want to mention this story, it broke late yesterday, this mystery over an american along the border of texas and mexico growing deeper and darker by the day, the head of a lead investigative unit, a mexican, turns out dead in a suitcase. absolutely gruesome. what that means now to the search. we'll get to that. also there's this: >> $500 billion in medicare cuts, hurting our seniors. massive tax increases, rationing of care, raising insurance premiums on illinois families.

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martha: well,y awaiting the 13th minor to come up in this unique vessel they wall street to -- they built to bring him to the top. it's been an extraordinarily thing that has unfolded. they sent down a third rescuers and now it is time to bring up the 13th person, carlos barrios, who we're

wait to go surface. you watch this process, as they come out, the darkened glasses, they're wearing compression robe, designed to basically -- almost like suba -- scuba diving to allow them to come up to the surface and not have too much pressure on their hearts and blood pressure and bodily systems. this seems to be working well so far because the people they brought up, the first group, were considered to be very healthy and in great shape down there, the middle group had some compromised health conditions, including hypertension and things of that order. so far, the people that we heard going to the hospital seem to be doing fairly well. an extraordinary story as we wait for number 12, each family situation, the closest family member is brought over to wait for them to come out and when they come out, just watching the smiles on these families' faces is extraordinary. keep in mind, for 17 days, they thought these people were dead. imagine the feeling that your husband, your son, your father, had died in an explosion in the mine and then to find out after 17 days, more than two weeks

that, indeed they got this note, this precious piece of paper that showed that indeed they were all alive and now all of these, 69 days later, here they come. bill: how do you define a miracle in such a heavily catholic country that chile is, they hung on to their faith, their hope. martha: and got down on their knees and prayed. >> this is a copper and gold mine, by the way, and mineing is so important to chile. it provides 40 percent of the state's earnings. and any moment now, we will see the 13th minor emerge. we're told it's only minutes away. it takes, what, 15 minutes i believe? >> martha: right at about 15 minutes. it's going a bit faster than they thought. bill: which is good, and we hope it talibans that way, as they emerge in the late morning heat with the sunshine out there in kph*eul -- there in chile. it's a beautiful day and at any moment now, we'll see that metal capsule emerge and we should see number 13. the capsule, we mentioned

earlier, is nick tphaeupd phoenix. they are watching with a camera inside the capsule. this is how high tech this has gotten, for the possibility of any panic attack, because the shaft is so small. martha: i think we're about to see somebody. here we go. here is the capsule, the phoenix, and look at peoples' faces and they just want to make eye contact with this person, and see that they're alive after hearing them, especially on these cameras. just beautiful to watch the connections with these families. let's watch it for a moment. >> [cheering] >> [applause]

>> [applause] >> [cheering] >> bill: that is a flight to freedom. martha: in the air for the first time. you see them cheering, you

want to hear that family member's voice as you hit the surface. bill: like giving birth, are you good, are you alive, do you feel okay? >> there are some hugs. >> [applause] >> [applause] >> bill: they have an oxygen mask, and two-way communication inside the capsules. in case there are any issues to help prevent blood cloting in that ascent. they were given aspirin and wore compression socks for blood flow. martha: this has gone remarkably good. we were told they lost 20 pounds, food rations and you see the smile on their faces it's a testament to how resilient the human body is, the human spirit, and the fact that they were able to survive this and come out and walk around and smile

and give everybody hugs and not be completely shell shocked, it's extraordinary. bill: he is lucky number 13. good morning, everybody, if you're just waking up, what a day this is to wake up to, i'm bill hemmer, along with martha mcical up. our live coverage continues with adam housely, down there live from the scene. adam, good morning again, bring us up to date. we're 13 of 33 there. >> reporter: yeah, you know, bill, those pictures don't get old, do they? that sound doesn't get old, either. you see the families, you hear the cheers from the rescuers, the cheer here, several hundred yards away, down the hill a bit and every time the horns go off, the cheers go up, the hands are clapping and another family has a reason to celebrate and this man, carlos barrios, the 13th minor, he has an extra reason to celebrate, he found out, the 27-year-old man found out a few weeks ago as he was 2300 feet underground that he would become a father for the first time. his girlfriend sent him a

note, basically telling him that, so imagine what he's stepping into now. having a chance to see his first child born. something that many of them may have never thought of those first 17 days as they waited for any sign of people above knew that they were there. once again, remind everybody, these men were down there 17 days with no contact above, people really didn't know if they'd find anything and it happened on a drill bit, basically, they let the rescuers know that there was someone down there, ended up being 33 men and now 13 have made it up. that means we have 20 more to go. we also have three rescuers down there, bill, they sent one down. we're still trying to get information on why that person went down, was it a development or was it planned to give the medics a rest who have been down there, since midnight last night, when the first one went down. quite a scene as it continues. a couple of things that take place down below now, the medics continue to go over each man, what they will, make sure they're okay, the vital signs, all that kind of stuff, they're giving

aspirin, compression suits, they also have a blanket basically or a wrap that helps keep them warm as it changes in temperature, which is quite drastic, as the sun comes up and warms this desert, they wear the protective glasses as they come up and bill, you mentioned it, about how the men seem a bit more stronger, really, than people had thought they might be. this is supposed to be the weak section, so to speak, the men that were the weakest, either physically or mentally, the middle group, the second group, as they've been called. but right now, a lot of them seem to be doing pretty well there are -- they are a bit weaker physically than we've noticed than the last two or three, having to be helped a bit more. last night the second and third man basically ran around and hugged everybody in sight, they had a bit more energy and seemed a bit stronger, but all told, no one seems to be that weak, which is a very good sign. it's a testament to the human spirit and body but also to the people above ground who made sure those

men were prepared mentally and physically, giving them jobs, food, things to do down there in order to keep their mind occupied as the rescue holes were drilled and this rescue hole finally made it down there in particular watching along with the rest of the world, with the developments in chile, they have a rare perspective on all of this, though, i'm referring to the nine miners who arevised being buried alive in cue creek mine in pennsylvania, 8 years ago, they were trapped 240 feet below the earth's surface before they were rescued, joseph, was in charge of that mine miracle and is dealers of the pennsylvania bureau -- director of the pennsylvania bureau of deep mine safety, good to have

you here, sir. what goes through your mind? did you ever think they'd be able to pull it off. >> there was no question in my mind they'd pull it off. it was going to take a little time because of the depth of the hole that had to be drilled. but the engineering and science involved with the rescue is similar to what we use at cue creek and the difference is the depth of the hole. martha: how is it different in terms of the situation those nine miners were in, in pennsylvania? >> the nine miners, of cue creek, were involved with a mine that was being flooded and it was very critical and time-important that everything be done quickly at cue creek. we were concerned about them suffocating and concerned about them drowning and knew we had to drill a rescue hole and pump water to execute the rescue and there were things that came into play in the way of trying to create an air pocket and maintaining a good pressure

against the old mine to prevent them from suffocating. here in chile, was a result of a ground control failure, and, it blocked their way out of the mine, and, you know, for 17 days, there was a lot of anxiety on the miners and the families, both, because there was no communication with them. but, once they established the communication, it turned into the fact that, okay. we can maintain these miners and provide them food, water, medical, you know, and do the things we need to do on the surface to keep them going under ground, and, then we had to drill a rescue hole, so well, knew that they would eventually get them out and originally they said sometime in december, which sound a little bit long to me, they were probably being cautious, but, as they got the equipment down there and the expertise, and, you know, it is a remote area and took time to get it set up and once they got it set up and going, things went quickly and everything is going today down there, right now.

martha: it sure does, it's an incredible story and the fact they were exercising down there and kind of had, everyone had a job, there was one person who was the medical director of the group, had a little bit of something in his background, that allowed him to do that and there was a poet and a musician and the way they kept each other going, your thoughts on that and, sort of, the brotherhood, the family that exists among the people in this world, who do this for a living. very tough way to make a living, kiosks. >> you know, mining is a dangerous job but it doesn't have to be unsafe, and, many people have done it through the years, and it has fueled our economy in this country and fought two wars, and still is very important to our economy, and, the miners are very close, whether rock miners or coal miners, whether you are from chile or the united states, miners stick together, and, these miners did exactly what they were supposed to do. they stuck together, and, you know, the fact that they had a lot of time to prepare for this

-- the rescue, they were going through a lot of different routines, to make sure they were physically fit and to try and keep them mentally aware and so forth, so, they did the things they had to do, underground, while the people on the surface were doing what they had to do to drill the rescue hole and get them prepared for rescue. martha: and, amazing they happened to be where they were when it happened, and to be able to be rescued. bill: i don't know how close they were, when the block occurred and they went to an area they felt they would be safe, and, the people on the surface, started to drill holes to dry to locate them, and, after 17 days, they were able to punch through, and find out that they were alive, and, you know, all in pretty good shape. martha: incredible. all right, sir, thank you very much, good to have you with us

today. >> are welcome. martha: an incredible story and you guys are watch it closely, from where you are, having experienced that and we are watching it unfold and are waiting for a statement here as well. bill: if we get the translation we'll bring up the microphone, let's try it for a moment, guys. we'll get the translation for you, because it could be an update to what is happening down below and also with the miners, what they've brought us and we are waiting on number 14, and that would be victor zamora, an unofficial list, the names and based on the information we are given that name, victor zamora, and number 33 is luis urzula, number 33, and, "the associated press" had a telling statement: the miners now face challenges, so bewildering no amount of coaching can fully prepare them.

and, it goes on to talk about the invitation to presidential palaces and all expense paid vacations, and the offers already to appear on countless tv stations. this is just what is beginning, already and this is before the capsule has proved to be successful. it continues, book degrees and movie deals are pending, job offers are on the line. and, then it soez says, quote, previously unimaginable things await them, and, if you caught the videotape, it was number 2, mario sepulveda who came out with the rocks, waving to the crowd and pumping them up and was filled with vigor and said, quoted, the only thing i'll ask of you is that you don't treat me as an artist or a journalist but as a miner. i was born a miner and i will die a miner, he said that sitting on a hillside, nearby with his wife and children. they are now reunited.

it is 6 minutes past the hour, 10:00, here on the east coast and if you are joining us, good morning, and, we will continue to cover this, throughout the morning and all of these developments, out of chile, a great occasion to check out the newest edition of the fox news family, fox news latino.com, is now on-line, covers the national issues, and events that impact a very important segments of america, and, just like foxnews.com, foxnewslatino.com is updating 24/7 and we have a great staff on the web site and they have been working on it for three years and now it is officially launched. martha: add it to your favorites and put it next to fox news, and fox business, a great resource and this is an extraordinary story and so much focus on chile and it's a great moment, in many ways for the country as we watch the folks come out with the flags and their pride in their

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bill: break, news on "america's newsroom," back to chile, we are waiting, any moment now, number 14. the 14th miner set to see, the sunshine for the first time in 69 long days, according to what we have on our list it should be victor zamora and when it happens we'll take you back there live, other news, 12 minutes past the hour, martha has more on that. martha: all right, the white house sort of firing the latest shot in the war of words between the obama administration, and karl rove. karl rove's charging president obama has an enemies list, after the white house accused him of funneling money from foreign donors, to conservative groups

during the election season and they also... the commerce group as well. bill: department. martha: thank you and also, as well as being involved in the mix and the white house press secretary robert gibbs, held up a blank piece of paper and said, let me do this, i'm releasing our enemies list, and, look, no one is on it. now can i see the donors to american crossroads which refers to the group that karl rove has raised money for, and ed gillespie have raised money for and who better to address all of that can karl rove, the former senior advisor and deputy chief of staff to president george w. bush, and also a fox news contributor. karl, good morning, good to see you. >> good morning, good morning, i'm happy to respond to mr. gibbs' request for a list of the contributors to american crossroads. martha: okay. >> there it is, right there. martha: zero. >> zero. zero. in fact, you know, while we're at it, let's talk about the president's evidence for the accusation that the chamber of commerce and american

crossroads, had foreign donors. it is nada, no evidence whatsoever and the president made the charge on the basis of, which leaves us with, what ills the white house credibility on this issue? none! none! martha: i'm glad you go through all the graphics, karl, saving us a lot of time back here and it makes... clearly makes your point and, you know, you raised the issue yesterday, you wanted to know what idiot came up with the idea at the white house it would be a positive, constructive thing for them at this stage of the election to go after foreign donors, everybody across the board on the situation says, don't exist. what is this point. >> right. well i don't get it, either, they've chewed up a quarter -- made the charge last thursday and, chewed up 1/4 of the time they had left before the election, on an issue that nobody cares about. and, which they damaged their own credibility and when you get "the new york times" and the associated press, the fact checkers and the boston -- baltimore sun critic, everybody is saying -- l.a. times, there is no evidence for the president's charge and when you get bob schieffer, the anchor of

"facing the nation" saying, is that the best you've got? to david axelrod in the white house it ain't a good time for the white house. i suspect -- >> just makes you wonder, karl, in terms of the strategy, and, you know, kind of obfuscation and talking about stuff other than what is going on in the country is all they've got and if that is the case it looks like a fairly desperate situation for democrats in the country and i don't base that on anything, exempted, the polling numbers we are seeing, you know, strategically, is this a good way to go? >> we're now starting to hear democrats and "the l.a. times" story, yesterday, democrat candidates and candidates scratching their heads, saying what is the white house doing? this is not helpful to us and look, it's not. the american people are concerned about jobs, the economy, spending deficits, obama care and those are the things driving the ballot and when the white house goes off and talks about phony charges about foreign money, stealing american democracy the american people look at the white house and say you are disconnected

from what we care about and are less worthy of our support and hurts democrats up and down the line, let's talk about that. there is an interesting story, the dcc -- dccc is putting out, pulling money out of three campaigns, in florida, pennsylvania, and ohio. and, then three open seats as well. now, the story on the other side of the fence is a $50 million surge it is called, the three candidates that will no longer get money for advertising, from the democratic party because their race are over, and this is the season for all of this, right, where should the money go in the final 20 days? >> right. right. each side here at the end has a limited finite amount of resources and the question is how far can they stretch those and these 6 democrat districts, three incumbent democrats and three open seats formerly held by democrats joining a list of four other formerly democrat open seats, now ten seats where the democrats have withdrawn from the field of battle and you're right, american crossroads, american action network, and, other groups have

announced a $50 million house surge strategy because of the additional money these groups are being able to raise, they'll go in and play in these races. american crossroads, the organization i'm helping raise money for, has raised $13.3 million in receipts, since the president began his attack on the group last week. martha: that is what i wanted to ask you... that is pretty striking. >> it has, and the president has done an excellent job of joining me in helping raise money for american crossroads and i want to thank he, vice president biden, david axelrod and mr. gibbs played a minor role in that and i appreciate their help in raising the $13.3 million, we'll put to it good use to defeat democrats who have supported the president's agenda. martha: as a striking revelation, karl, $13 million, since the back and forth began. >> $13.3 million, in receipts, thank you very much, mr. president. martha: you know, when you look at this situation, karl, and the big picture, and you just pointed out that basically, the

democrats have said, now, there are ten seats out there they are not going to support with any money. the same kind of thing has to be going on, on the republican side as well, there are seats that you say, look, the race will not work out, there is no reason to throw good money after bad and we are going to also refocus our efforts, that is going on as well, i would imagine? >> i think so. but, it is happening a little bit differently, on the democrat side they had high expectations of being able to have the resources, to fight the republicans, on a great many fronts and either they didn't have the resources, they were bluffing and now have had -- getting close to actually having to pay for the television ads, they've had to withdraw or their fund-raising is not going as well as it seems. for the republicans, i suspect the opposite. what they did is, they yb, in essence looked at the pile of money and made assumptions they'd get a little more and play as broadly as they could with the money and now that a are able to raise more funds,

that is happening with public reports from the campaign committee, and it is happening here and the president, by attack american crossroads drove people to our web site and raised the amount of money we have received and the $13.3 million that we have received since he began these attacks, is going to allow us to help broaden the playing field. martha: all right, interesting, the strategy. >> can i say one more thing about the -- >> we're getting back to chile. >> the democratic national committee, alleges ed gillespie or i stole the purse from the woman in the grant and i never stole a purse and ed gillespie would never steal a purse from a woman in a garage, i know -- at least i believe he wouldn't. i'm pretty sure he wouldn't, i think you know will pretty well and that is a safe assumption. karl, thank you, always good to talk to you, fascinating stuff. 20 days to go, in all of this and it gets more and more interesting, karl, thank you very much. >> you bet, thank you. bill: i think we owe ed a call. forthcoming... we're witnessing a miracle, every hour in chile. and we are moments away from yet another rescue and our medical

a-team at fox, on the obstacles these men must face, next. wonderful story, we are back on that, see you in three minutes. [applause] bla

bill: "fox news alert," now, 10:23, here in new york, 11:23 in the morning in chile, the picture is inside the mine shaft, looking dark and deep into the 2,000-foot hole where we await now the rescue of a 14th miner, underground, now going to the american company responsible for the hardware behind the incredible operation, there was a group out of berlin, pennsylvania. that took up the challenge, and invitation on behalf of the

chill clean government, to send their men and -- chilean government, to send their men and equipment down to chile and dig the hole and without it these men may not be seeing daylight today or ever. lo laura ingle is live in berlin, pennsylvania with their story. >> reporter: good morning, bill, and, of course, center rock is very famous in these parts for their expertise in the drilling world. they were involved in the cue creek miner rescue back in 2002 and we want to get to the good stuff, to the president of the company and the marketing manage here and we have brandon fisher, president and richard sophie, and you guys invested this drill bit, that was used, in the rescue. but, i want to talk about -- you guys have been down there in chile for 37 days and you just got home yesterday and what was it like to watch that on tv? did you stay up all night. >> yeah, i fell asleep sometime around 3:00 in the morning, i'm not sure at what point, i fell

asleep but i would say it was around 3:00 a.m., and it just is unbelievable. that is what we worked for the whole time we were down there, is to be able to see the guys coming out of the ground and what an awesome feeling to be able to see those guys healthy, coming out of the ground like that. >> reporter: an amazing moment, for sure. >> yes, i stayed up through the night, when i had my wife wake me up each time one got to the surface, and it was neat to see that. that is why we went. we knew we could get them out before christmas, that was not an option. and, unbelievably pleased that we got it done that quick. >> reporter: and let's talk about the equipment that was used, the drill bits you invented and custom-make. show us quick. >> this is an example of one of the four bits that would have been used in the 26-inch drill system. to reach the miners, this is a dhd, down hole hammer drill air powered system, using a series of hammers, using high-impact energy to crush and pulverize

the rock. >> reporter: we'll get more of what is happening at center rock, coming up later in the day, stick around. bill, back to you. bill: laura ingle live in berlin, pennsylvania where the heart of darkness is now degree daylight for the first time in 69 days, and you know, my parents are 71, right? my mom, she watches cable news all day long and stayed up late last night to watch this and my father, 71, he looks 51. martha: he does, i have met him. bill: he stayed up until 2:00 a.m. and to get my dad to stay up to 2:00 a.m., it must be special and this story certainly is. martha: it is an amazing story and, you know, it is a great sort of equalizer, i think, around the world, you know? you watch the people and they could be you, your family and could be anybody you know. going through this situation. and, you know, when these kinds of stresses are put on people, and the way that respond, you just have to -- your heart goes out to them and last night it was a 7-year-old boy, who was the son of i think the second person who was pulled out.

and, he said to the president of chile, on the scene, they wanted all the family members to stay back and he said, please, i can't stay back, you have to let me run over when my dad customs out and they did, a great moment when they got together and look at this person running up the side of the hillside. i think, in a strange way, as we often find with disasters, and situations, like this, and emergencies, it does bring people together. and, it makes them realize, you know, what you have, and, how much it means to you, and how important it is, and, so that, if there is any up side to the situations, it is that and we sincerely hope that rest of it goes as smoothly as it has, so far, and, you know, we are waiting for number 14, to come up, right now. bill: victor zamora and there's an area above ground where they've set up 33 chilean flags and perhaps that is where the man was running, that you saw in the picture. martha: adam housely is here as

well and he has been our eyes on this scene. and talking to the folks there, you know, adam, what is the good like there as we wait for the 14th miner, moments from now, to emerge from that pipeline? >> reporter: you know, it is -- the mood has not changed at all, there is still a lot of energy and people have not slept and they've stayed up since the operation began and many obviously before that and every time you hear the horns and we know when the capsule reaches the bottom, and when the capsule reaches the top and we know when it leaves both locations, because, the horns go off and the tears go up and a loud cheer is always reserved for when the man steps out of the capsule, you can hear the rescuers cheer a popular soccer cheer in chile and vick totor zamora is 33 yea old, married, has children and we saw his family go in and they are up there now, standing right by the well -- i call it the well, the rescue tube, and,

bill, martha, the reason why they are standing so closes, the first young boy asked the president of chile himself he wand to be closer to see his father, they were going to be back 20 yards, originally and the rescuers would go there first and medics would go and they'd bring them over to family and that changed because of the first young boy and he was seen sobbing as his father emerged from the capsule last night much to the joy of millions of people across the globe and of course in this country as well and as we wait for victor to arrive, the other family members, after they see their loved one, safe and sound, come back here and they stay here, obviously, much relieved, but, also, providing support for the other families who are waiting their turn, the one family closest to us we interviewed before, earlier today on fox news channel and they are number 21, so, they are now 7 steps away. and, the -- one of the brothers told me, every time, he's happy to see a new face, and every time he's also worried something might go wrong that's capsule

comeses up or goes down and will not rest until his brother sets foot out and hugs him and the rest of his family and that is where we are now as we wait for the 14th miner to come up and they have not greased the wheels, and that is what they do in a couple of trips and that may be what is coming up and we don't know until they do it but we know this: we still have the other miners down there, 19 miners, and we have 3 rescue personnel and you might remember a couple of trips ago, they sent a third rescue person -- i am hearing clapping, do we know? he's up, he's up, the 14th miner is officially up, guys, the capsule emerged with the 14th miner. let's listen in, right now. [applause]

>> reporter: that sound doesn't get old. those pictures don't get old. [applause]

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bill: beyond words, i'm sure for them. the second guy who came up, said i think i had extraordinary luck, i was with god and with the devil and i reached out, for god. number 14, now in daylight. martha: this is victor zamora and we watched his wife's face, you know, patience, after all of these days of waiting for that moment to finally be there and you can sort of see her, holding her breath and we're all holding our breath and want to wait and watch him step forward, you cannot see clearly into the capsule, to see faces or get any response, but, you know, just... beautiful. all watching the reunions and, so happy for these families, they are having them, because, it could have gone another way.

very easily, and even up until the last moments, so you just are grateful for these reconnections, dr. manny alvarez is a fox news medical a-teamer, and he's -- do we have dr. manny with us on the phone? he's here, dr. manny, you know, your thoughts as we watch this and think about the, you know, physical limitations of being down there and how well, really, these guys seem to look. >> the whole thing has been the preparation, the last 68 days, a lot of experts, physiologists, therapists, they have been focusing on building these men to be in great shape, you know, we talk about how they were controlling their hydration, because, it is very hot down there and were doing exercises. they were doing some, you know, stimulating their minds, so that they would not have issues of entrapment. so, all of that really paid off. i mean, this is -- you know, i call this a miracle. i don't expect any of these men

to have any long term health consequences. since we have been monitoring this carefully, and, all of them, you see their coming out in great physical shape and yes, they'll go to the hospital and get all the physicals they need, and there will be a lot of psychological counseling, but to me, the preparation prior to this was essential and one aspect that i think has made a huge difference -- you know, this is a very religious community. their faith in god is one of the things that have kept them together, not only, in the mine, but, also, in thinking that the entire world was praying and was hoping for the best for them. martha: yeah, i think that is such a good point, dr. manny, because, we know there were prayers being led down there and we have heard a lot of these men talk about their belief in god and you heard bill recount the story, the man saying that he saw god and saw the devil and went in the the direction of god, everybody had to have been feeling with their torn emotions, down there, keeping

yourself sane and in many cases, turning to prayer and the catholic religion is so strong and so ingrained in the culture of the chilean people, clearly, you know, played a large role here. >> absolutely, and i think that, you know, we have seen that, in many examples, but, you know, we call this a miracle, yet, it was a miracle. i think that what ever happened to make this effort come true, to a great reality, thes in administration from the president of chile, saying from the very beginning, i know they are alive. getting the best people from around the world, and, that, the help of many companies here in the u.s., went down there, immediately, to provide the technical... technical expertise, to create this kind of scenario, you know, all of that is a miracle and, of course, you know, the preparation as i said with the doctors, we have doctors from nasa who had a lot of experience, you know, in different kinds of temperatures and pressures, which allowed them, of course to be healthy. and, ultimately, this is the

outcome. martha: dr. manny, thank you, very much. we have gotten a lot out of your insights through this whole experience and now, somebody else we wanted to bring in, for a moment. bill: incredible human drama, and watch it play out live is such a gift and such a treat for everybody around the world. and i certainly think, that our audience sits back and watches this, and thinks, it's not just a good story, it's a great story. and it has been so long since we have had a great story. that ends so well. dr. dale archer is a clinical psychologist, doctor, good morning to you. >> good morning. bill: we're in the middle group of miners now, and, we told the story, last hour and i don't mean to be repetitive to our viewers, if you haven't heard it yet, that is why i repeat it. they've broken up into three groups and the middle group, those were the guys that were, either had health issues or mental issues and were not doing so well. like the first group, and the last group, this gentleman is a

little slower in his walk, and you can tell he's being helped to that gurney. and, the mind reels, you imagine what he has gone through and experienced and how the other men on his team were able to either console him or keep him optimistic or somehow lift his spirits at a time when they were down and i just wonder, if the psychologist, yourself -- as a psychologist, ump, the process for that, and how you're able to help other human beings get through what is certainly, for these men, the most trying days of their lives. >> well, you know, it is interesting. statistically speaking, when you are exposed to a stress, a severe stress like this, about one in five individuals ends up developing post-traumatic stress disorder, afterward and you really can't predict going in who those folks will be. but, the beauty of this whole thing is that the psychologist s and psychiatrists got involved early on, in working with these

folks and it was an experiment, can we prevent post-traumatic stress under a trauma and cannot underestimate how important it is having the group setting where, if someone is not doing well, then, his comrades can come to his aid and help him through. i think this is going to be a fascinating story, going forward, and, i think that the incidents of ptsd will be much, much lower than we would expect, from this type of a stress. bill: that is interesting. doctor, you made some very interesting observations, with our team. you say, everyone will be changed forever, some will be changed for the better, some for the worse and you describe the relationships in their lives will be difficult in some ways, and will be like starting over with a new person, i think that is very intriguing. and you say the hardest time of all will be after their 15 minutes of fame is over. what do you mean by that? >> we have to remember that there are going to be three separate stressors going on and number one of course is being trapped in the mine and number two, the media frenzy that comes

after, books and movies and all types of interviews and number 3 will be when it all ends, because, eventually they fade from sight. and, at that point, they are left with their thoughts and memories of what they went through. so, three distinct episodes of stress they will be dealing with. bill: it is -- there is a certain person that deals with it better than others. >> it is amazing but we can't predict it ahead of time. bill: maybe it is the relationships you surround yourself with. >> i worked with the katrina survivors, for example, and you could not predict going in, you could have someone you would say, this guy has it all together and does fine and would fall apart and someone who lost everything ends up doing fine and you absolutely cannot predict and the fantastic thing is the mental health professionals are involved now, they got involved early on, and they'll be able to find the ones who may be more susceptible and hopefully get them through. bill: you are a great guest, thank you for coming in today. >> glad to be here. bill: a clinical psychiatrist, dr. dale archer. >> thank you. bill: in new york. thank you, doctor.

20 minutes before, martha, now... martha: 14 miners out, and 19, we are still waiting to be rescued and we're live that's drama continues to unfold, in chile, we'll be covering it as we get the 15th miner, victor segovia and we're about to talk to steve forbes, and change gears for a moment and talk about the extraordinary foreclosure situation going on and there is an investigation in 50 states, all 50 states, into whether or not many of these foreclosures should have happened at all, and what will happen as restitution for those that did, steve forbes joins us on that, right after this.

>> good morning, i'm jon scott laying with jenna lee, we are all over the unfolding drama in chile, 14 rescued an 19 to go, a much needed boost to the world's spirit. >> for sure, the rescue of the

men and the subject of the town hall today, america is asking and any question you have about the rescue about they're, go to foxnews.com, and, happening now, to weigh in and we'll bring questions and comments to our experts and guests, coming up, see you in a few minutes venl --. bill: back to a fox news alert, waiting on number 15, moments ago saw a helicopter move into the area, not sure if that was a way to medevac some of the miners out, not quite sure if they were using the process. but, we do know they are heading to the hospital for 48 hourses, each and every one of them for observation, and, based on the medical doctors and advice they have given us so far they think that all miners, based on the information they have, will be a-okay in the medical world, pending their health conditions which so far seem to be strong. so, minutes away from number 15. in each and every one -- and each and every one has been special and when number 15 5 emerges, you will see it live on

fox. stand by for that. martha: and back to politics for a moment, a top republican on capitol hill says if the g.o.p. wins control of the house, the republican majority will propose spending cuts, each and every week. house minority leader john boehner, he hopes to be the majority lear, issued those strong words at and events this week and is issuing a weekly spending cut, even possible, that is one of the things we want to talk about with steve forbes, the editor-in-chief, of course of "forbes" magazine and also the author of "how capitalism will save us." steve, welcome, always good to see you, good morning. >> good morning, good to see you again. martha: talk to me about that, john boehner says he can do a cut, every, single week. is that a vote-grabber or is that reality. >> that is reality. there is so much in the budget that can be cut, so many redundancies, and for example, even unemployment programs, that have -- they've got zone is of them, you could come up with one every hour and, still have plenty left over. martha: you think it is a realistic move and i want to

talk about the foreclosure situation, and gmac says they are investigating 50 states, all 50 states across the nation. what does it really mean for foreclosures and for the process and people who maybe were foreclosed upon and shouldn't have been? >> i think, what you will find is that the number of foreclosures overwhelm the system but i don't think you will find any real fraud and abuse. these are more technical errors, so far, not one person who was making payments on a house has been foreclosed upon. most of the foreclosures have been owners who have not made a payment in months, and mostly in a year-and-a-half or more, and so, i think it is more of a political reaction and by having the moratorium all you are doing is setting back the housing recovery and setting back people who want to buy house that are low-priced and, retarding the recovery. martha: i am fascinated by what you are saying. are you saying there might be a political underpinning to this

whole thing to make people feel better for a while and not lose their homes. >> the political thing is that politicians and especially state attorneys general want to show they are on the side of the down-trodden and, so, they are going after these mortgage companies using technicalities, to brow-beat them and show they are on the side of the people. but, i found it very telling, even the white house is starting to try to temper this a little bit. martha: that's right. >> because they realize it will hurt the economy. by upsetting the rule of law and not enabling lenders to make a distinction between those who never should have been in a house in the first place and those who have temporary problems because of unemployment, where you can make adjustments, and know you are going to avoid a foreclosure long term, that process has been the monkey wrench has been thrown in and it will hurt the economy and the white house is finally waking up to that. martha: it could prolong the

misery. steve forbes, good to talk to you, the mining situation, we are going back to the mining situation, an incredible story as we wait for number 15. to emerge from the mine and almost halfway there. bill: victor segovia, based on the list, and, you saw the capsule emerge as it bureaucracy throu -- breaks through the mine shaft, 2300 feet below the earth's surface and last night, 10:30 eastern time it went through for the first time and the rescuer got out in the orange-clad suit with his headlamp on. and, all the guys were standing around in shorts, because, it is so darned hot down there. and now we have watched this for the 15th time, break through the hole and that, right there, is freedom! victory, and it is hope for number 15 now. martha: all right, we'll take a quick break and we'll be back with the emergence, we hope, successful em memergence of num

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bill: as we said, right before the break, number 15 has now gotten inside the capsule, you'll see it subterranean in a moment here. for what will be about a 15 minute journey up to the surface, where you see the gentleman with the phone, interest is the shot, down underneath. they have a two-way communication inside the capsule, making sure the miners are okay. where they make the 15-miniature to daylight. where it is just about high noon, 12:00, local time, in chile, so when that happens, you will see it live and we'll take a break, and, bring that to you. so, waiting on number 15, victor segovia, minutes away here, on fox.

martha: and what an extraordinary story we are watching unfold and we are glad to be joined by the former governor of new york, george pataki is with us now, you were with new york and -- in very difficult times and watched crisis unfold, on september 11th. what is your reaction to how chile handled the situation. >> they've done everything right. and i think this rescue effort has gripped not just americans but the whole world, and, you can't help but feel proud for chile, because they have done everything right. and feel pride of the miners, because they've been down there so long, at first no one knew they were alive and conducted themselves with such strength and courage and it is a very up lifting story and i'm sure every chilean is proud. martha: you are so right, from the president of the country who handled it so well from the beginning when nobody had heard a word from them, no tapping on the types, no nothing, he said we will not abandon them and he was right, 17 days later they found out indeed they were alive and he launched the rescue mission and you are right, down to the miners under ground and

you watch the orderly fashion in which they are going up, and you could easily imagine chaos breaking out down there and you think, what if it doesn't work when it is my turn. >> they've done everything right and you cannot help but be proud for them and americans can share in the pride a little bit because the drill bits and a lot of the equipment comes from companies in pennsylvania but that is another example of chile, doing it right. you know, reaching out to the world, and, getting the best technology from wherever it is, and, putting the priority where it should be, and that is on rescuing the victims. martha: i want to talk to you about hungary, the country of your ancestors which is really going through a traumatic time with the toxic sludge situation and you have been designated to find support and help from our country. >> right. it's not a dramatic as the chilean mine disaster but hundreds of people have been injured by the toxic sludge and thousands have been forced from their homes and it has covered 15 square miles and is this toxic, caustic sludge that will be there for sim time.

and, the loss to the families is just enormous. and the government is doing a tremendous job containing it and working to hold those accountable who should be, but we have seen in new york and seen since the flooding in pakistan, and the earthquakes in haiti, when there are crises, americans help, and -- >> how can people help. >> we are calling on people to help those families, we have a web site, www.hungaryrelieffunds.org and this prime minister asked me to reach out to americans to help those families and hopefully americans will respond. martha: i'm sure they will, americans generally do and we are glad to get the word out there, hungaryrelieffund.org, on the bottom of your screen and it is a horrific situation and we thank you for bringing our attention to it, governor pataki, thanks, always good to see you and when you come back, we'll talk about the governor's race. >> i'm happy to talk about it. >> you want a good news story, moments away from number 15. watch it with us, when we

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