>> steve: this was a special, special veterans day and our thanks to the liberty bell. >> alisyn: they were great, beautiful vocals. >> steve: challenger and in the after the show show, we'll be talking more with larry gatlin live from silver dollar city in branson, missouri. >> brian: good job, ali. thank you for coming in. >> alisyn: thanks. tune in on the weekend. >> steve: in the meantime, here is america's news room. david axlerod saying the white house is willing to accept an extension of the cuts. but it's not for everyone. just for the middle class. the bush tax cuts set to expire in january if they do not get a deal. a family making $50,000 could see a tax increase of $2,900.

happening here in america's newsroom. first backlash on that number right there. a bold new proposal. our national debt $13 trillion. now the commission responsible for crafting a plan to bring that number down giving a sneak peek at the radical proposals. lots on the line. i see you are wearing the red for the red ink. happy veteran's day. i'm bill hemmer. martha: i'm martha maccallum. president obama's bipartisan debt commission has drafted a report that targets everything from social security to medicare to the u.s. retirement age.

they say if we don't implement these strong changes the u.s. will be head for disaster. bill: president obama telling critics on both sides of the aisle hold your fire. at first blush you have seen the proposals and you have seen what, stewart? >> extraordinarily bold. this thing is bold. look at the tax rates, sharply lower across the board. tax deductions, some of them severely limited. rather timid on social security. retirement date goes to 69 in 2075. but you have got a shift on consumption taxes with a 15 cent per gallon increase in the gas tax it's a bold set of proposals. the left has it it. bill: there are daggers coming in every age. what is not there that you would like to have seen, stewart?

>> i'm just surprised at breadth of this plan. it covers everything. you name it, everything is in there. bill: you saw the number on the board, $13.7 trillion. >> was anybody expecting such a broad brush stroke that affects everything and in some respects such a radical shift? they propose to lower the tax rate on federal income taxes across the board. three levels. the top rated tax would come down in 35 to 23%. they are touching mortgage interest deductions. they are going after it. the deduction you get for the payments you make to your healthcare, going after that, too. bill: they are take on charitable deductions, too. you know the reality of these commissions. they get together and rarely if ever are they implemented.

i think the 9/11 commission is as close as you got to washington acting on recommendations that would come out of committee like this. are we optimistic any of this was put into practice? >> i suspect they will kick the can down the road. make decisions later, half hearted decisions. i just don't think there is any way you are going to get such a bold plan implemented in its entirety anytime soon. bill: there was a lot of reactions to it. so enjoy that debate. to our viewers, if you want to read more on these dramatic changes stuart varney calls bold. you can go to our web site foxnews.com and click on our story link on our home page. it's getting a lot of reaction. we'll see if it goes anywhere. martha: in the meantime new polls gauging american attitudes on two of the biggest issues

following the elections. 53% think congress should extend the bush tax cuts for everyone compared to 32% who say it should just be extended for the middle class and 12% say let the bush tax cuts expire for everybody. now, when it comes to healthcare, 38% of americans want congress to make more changes to the law. that's a broad spectrum. 8% say make fewer changes. 31% say they want to repeal the whole thing. only 1/5 like the bill the way it is and they are happy with the way it happened and they want to keep it the way it is. bill: it looks like they may have spelled her name right afterall. lisa murkowski picking up 98% of the ballots being counted in the alaska race.

joe miller's campaign observers watching over the shoulders of the write-in balance to the counters. they are challenging just over 1% of the 19,000 ballots counted yesterday. he asked the federal judge to force the state to toss out any misspelled names or misspelled ballots. the count continues today up in junjuneau, alaska. martha: a cruise ship, no air-conditioning. no hot water. instead of their usual gourmet meals, they got this. spam. and they got pop tarts. there were croissants thrown in as well. now the carnival cruise ship is being towed. these are live pictures, folks, of this ship coming. wouldn't you love to know -- it

should arrive sometime this morning. it is filled with thousands of passengers, and, boy, do these peeks -- can't you hear the voices of these people telling us their stories when they come back? anita vogel is live in our los angeles bureau. have they been able to pinpoint what time these people will be let off this disastrous cruise ship? >> reporter: they have a pretty good idea. we understand the coast guard is out there now meeting up with the ship. the ship right now is 8 miles off the coast. you can see it's being towed by a tugboat there. we understand four additional tugboats are going to be sent out to greet the ship and help bring it in. they didn't want to bring it in in the darker to safety purposes. they are bring can it in with the light at a slow pace. the ship doesn't have power sew it doesn't have a lot

yesterday afternoon because one of the tugboats they sent out lost power. they were only going 7 miles per hour. so it is a slow process. also yesterday the president and ceo of carnival cruise lines spoke out and he said he is going to make this up to all the passengers. listen. >> from the reports i have heard from the ship, that the guests believe that we are really trying to do the right thing. and we know we ruined their vacations. we thought that the best thing for us to do was to give them their money back, make them whole on this, then give them the vacation they didn't get this time. martha: if all goes as planned, bringing that ship into the shore we are expecting an arrival time of anywhere between 8:00 and 9:00 local time. then of course it will take hours for all those thousands of passengers to get off the ship.

martha: it sounds like the ceo is handling it as well as he possibly could. what else can they do? >> reporter: they are giving them a refund and an offer of a free crews. they will cover all the transportation costs to get home. all the passengers should have received letters under their doors detailing those travel plans. now as the cell phone coverage bhks available we are starting to hear from the passengers about what life was like onboard this ship the past four days. >> it was really scary. we saw a lot of smoke and smelled a lot of smoke in the ship, we didn't know what was going on. luckily we convenient amazing cruise director, john, who kept us all calm and joking and kept us all informed.

>> reporter: just a few more hours and these folks are finally going to be home. yesterday carnival offered up that they had never had anything like this happen before. they hope it will never happen again. martha: there it is cruising into port there. the tugboat also lost power? there is something wrong there. they had boxes of macaroni and cheese. it says break the ma no the mon. bill: being the elitist snob that i am, i have never had spam before and today will not be my first day. martha: it cost $4. i was thinking $1.25.

break the month not my. bill: allegations of voter fraud popping up all over the country including minnesota. we'll tell you who is accused of breaking the law. martha: a decision is set to be coming. we were told it won't be happening until after the election. we are getting word it will be coming fairly soon. where to hold the trial of the confessed mastermind of this attack. coming up congressman peter king tells us why he homes the administration has changed its mind. bill: more democrats ramping up the pressure telling nancy pelosi to give up or plans to leave the party come january. who is calling her politically toxic? you might also want

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>> the process is an ongoing one. we are working to make a determination about the placement of that trial. i would hope that whatever the decision is, it will be one that's judged on the merits and what is best for justice in that case will be the thing that will guide the decision. we have been working on it and i think we are close to a decision. bill: that was from yesterday. eric holder sparking new outrage at the federal government that it's perhaps considering holding the 9/11 terror trials steps from underzero. it's been one year since holder

suggested khalid sheikh mohammed and his coconspirators should be tried in a new york courtroom. >> after eight years of delay those allegedly responsible for the attacks of september 11 will finally face justice. they will be brought to new york. to new york to answer for their alleged crimes in a courthouse just blocks away from where the twin towers once stood. bill: that was 12 months ago. a lot that changed since that time. peter king is the ranking member of the house committee. good morning to you. what decision will be reached? >> i would hope that eric holder will do the right thing and he will say very clearly that these trials will not be held in new york. they will be held in guantanamo. they will be held before a military commission, not in a civilian court. the decision he made last year was entirely irresponsible.

i'm not just saying it because i disagree with it. he made the decision and no one was consulted before he made the decision. it was an ideological decision. it was the wrong thing to do. i hope they do the right thing and end this whole charade of having the trials in new york. hundreds of millions of dollars. it would turn lower manhattan into a martial law area. bill: perhaps in the end you get exactly what you want it wasn't just you, frankly, it was the mayor, michae mike michael bloo. you all came out against

bringing khalid sheikh mohammed to new york. president obama has gotten involved. did this topic come up? >> for the first month i was the only one denouncing the trial. but others have come onboard. by spoke with president obama last week and this did not come up. the white house has been virtually silent. the only one i have had any conversation with on this at all was rahm emanuel. that was last spring. this is something that is not discussed or spoken about. that's why i have become more and more convinced and hopeful it won't wait until the election is over to get this out of the way. if they decide to have it in guantanamo, it is a court facility where the rules of evidence will make much more sense in a military commission. basically it will reaffirm the decision of the bush

administration which to me is the best way to go. bill: let's reverse this and go back to my premise. let's say you get your way at gitmo. you refuse to allow khalid sheikh mohammed to have a platform. you save new york city the cost of hundreds of millions of dollars over several years and the trial is held in cuba with a military tribunal. if that's the outcome do you consider that to be a win-win-win? >> yes, i do. it will be a win pore those murdered on september 11, a win for their families and a win for the american system of justice. the military commissions are perfectly constitutional and valid. khalid sheikh mohammed is not entitled to the same rights as an ordinary criminal quote-unquote. and the protections he's not entitled to as an enemy combatant. we don't have to worry about

classified intelligence coming out or americans being put at risk. bill: can president obama step in and take over this decision? >> i think he did. eric holder was ideologically committed to having the trials in new york. if they move out it will be because of president obama. yes. bill: we don't have a final word yet but we are waiting on that. martha: it is veteran's day. the new york stock exchange hold a moment of silence for the men and women who sacrificed their lives for this great country.

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martha: you are watching what is about to be the ringing of the bell after a moment of silence at the new york stock exchange. stephen busby and others are joined by members of the u.s. armed forces and the legendary navajo code talkers also participating in this significant moment at the new york stock exchange. we just witnessed a moment of silence. the bell will ring at 9:30 as it always does. silence is a very powerful thing. we take a moment to think about all those who sacrificed their lives. that is arlington, virginia. two of the unthose, and there will be ceremonies there as well on this beautiful sky blue day in arlington, virginia. what a sight.

bill: we thank all the veterans both activity and inactive to our country. thanks. martha: allegations of voter fraud in one state. investigators in mort are broke wet or college students trying to quote get out the vote may have actually broken the law in doing so on election day. the students are associated with an influential organization that wants to keep democrats and president obama in power. share hahn is liv live -- >> reporter: an investigation could implicate members of a national student voting group. it involves what's called voter vouching. in minnesota you don't need an i.d. to vote. you register to vote. you show up at the polling place. as long as someone vowches for

you have saying you live there, you can vote. at this polling place there are allegations members of students organizing for america may have been illegally vouching for others possibly to stuff the ballot box. ron stossel says he saw yelling when the voter vouching was challenges. >> the college student said she vouched for people she did not know. that's the first step. there were people that voted that did not have proper registration by someone who knew them. >> reporter: students organizing for america is affiliated with organizing for america. the web site takes you to barackobama.com. it says if you don't have any of these things, that's okay, you just need a voucher.

someone registered to vote in your precincts who can swear that you live there. no one from organizing for america or the democratic national committee returned our calls. if you suspect vote were fraud where you live we want to know about it. voter fraud at foxnews.com is our address. bill: shaun is working night and day. martha: we'll find out what happened. bill: amazon.com selling a book called the "pedophile guide." martha: the pressure is intensifying on nancy pelosi. the house speaker being told by some of her fellow democrats that she should go.

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thousands of jobs here in the u.s. a federal grand jury indicting the so-called barefoot bandit, the washington state teenager colton harris moore facing a number of charges relating to a two-year string of robberies. on oil fire may have caused an engine to fail on board the quantas a380 jumbo jet last week, now there's an order to inspect all engines to make sure they're flying a-okay out of australia. martha. martha: well, there are reports out there this morning that now more democrats are pressuring house speaker nancy pelosi to give up seeking a leadership role in the next congress. according to the associated press, illinois congressman and democrat mike klugely says this, the reality is she is politically toxic. that's what he had to say. in an op-ed, pelosi says it's not about her, this is what she said, the results of last week's elections reflected the genuine frustration of the american people who who are justify phibly angered by the

unemployment rate while democrats are disappointed at the rate of job growth, it does not diminish what we've employerd. >> kirsten powers, and k.t., should she stay or go? >> i think she should stay. the whole argument that she is somehow offensive i guess to a lot of people or too partisan, i don't think, is a great argument for an opposition leader. actually if you were going to make it you would have made it before when she was the speaker. what you want in an opposition leader is someone who is a partisan street fighter which is exactly what she is, she is someone what has led the democrats to a majority before and somebody who can do it again. i think that you have moderate democrats coming out and having a problem with her isn't surprising and there aren't enough of them to prevent her from becoming leader. martha: k.t., when you look at what she did with health care, tenacity is nancy

pelosi's middle name and likes what she does. >> she is her number one fan. even the president has admitted to shellac, downtrodden and humbled and nancy pelosi is acting like she got elected home coming queen. it's really out of touch. and frankly, whatever advances she made with obama's agenda, she made multiple steps back, backward, with her sort of caustic governing style. if you remember, you know, you were racist if you opposed obama sls care -- obamacare, the tea partiers were astro turfers. it's the kind of rhetoric that obama ran against, and i think she's let him down, frankly. martha: kirsten, it's very clear that the people like quigley and others, blue dogs, 60 percent of them lost their seats in this election, so they're not happy, they want to see the party move to the middle in order to move forward and

she apparently doesn't so this is really a fight for the soul of the democratic party and what its mantra is going to be. >> well, there are some democrats that actually agree with what the blue dogs think. if you look at things like -- if you look at exit polls and see what democrats were saying about health care, for example, they don't think it went far enough. so they have a very different perspective. a majority of democrats, the overwhelming majority, supported the public option, so i think pelosi is probably closer to most democrats, as much as the republicans love to taint her as this crazy san francisco liberal who, by the way n. san francisco, they think she's right wing. [laughter] >> so it's not quite the way she's been painted, and more important, she's just very effective and good at keeping her caucus together and she's a great leader. martha: k.t., i don't think anybody can argue with that. she is a great leader, she does stick to what she believes in and a lot of republicans say great, keep her on, happy about it. >> oh, i'm on board. reelect that woman.

but as you know we can be as swaing as we want about health care but the fact is if you read that usa op-ed where she's listing her accomplishments health care is but an after note, it's a footnote, it is barely in there, and the reason is because the majority of the country doesn't want t. and she can't run on that accomplishment alone. martha: the majority of the people don't want the health care bill. >> the plus or minuses of health care, we've done that a lot and will in the future again. one thing politically i am interested in, kirsten, on this, is president obama, because a lot of talk has been put out there that, you know, she hijacked the legislation in a number of ways, you know, in terms of the economic turnaround, some people would say she did the same thing with health care. do you think he wants her to stay or go? i mean, what helps him politically? >> i think it helps him politically to have her, just because she's so effective, and you need to have somebody who can really bring the members together and keep them on the same

page. i don't agree with the idea that she hijacked it. what she is criticized for is being effective. she was actually more effective than the president was. it was his agenda that she got through. yet, somehow everybody is blaming nancy pelosi for everything. you know, it flowed from the white house. the white house wanted it, she executed it. did she support it, yeah, but it's no different. it's just strange, it's like harry reid and barack obama, everybody acts like oh yeah, they're fine and nancy pelosi is the demon and it's like no, she's the one who's just really good at doing her job. >> you're right, kirsten, she implemented her agenda. it's the way she did it. it was really caustic, divisive and polarizing and that's not what he ran on, so i think that -- >> democrats have to see if it's best for them going forward politically. thank you so much, kirsten, good to see you guys. we did ask our viewers at home what they think about this, a bunch of tweets on this, and we'll show you a couple of them, do you think nancy pelosi will survive is the question. we've gotten a lot of

e-mails on this. take a look at this tweet, it says if she does, it will speak volumes regarding the character of the democratic party and this one came in from edward, saying in her party, she'll survive but she will never be speaker of the house again, at least according to one person's opinion out there. bill: story to fool, right? day by day. here is one, too: it's being called a how to book for pedophiles. online retailer amazon.com reportedly pulling the book titled "the pedophile's guide to love and pleasure", but still defending the company's right to sell such a book, this after a massive outcry, online slamming the company for a national boycott. kelly sandon is a family law attorney and criminal attorney and a former prosecutor in the studio. what was up with this, pedophile guide? >> that's offense i, isn't it? the fact that someone would twri and amazon would sell

it. i know they have a right to do so but your first amendment rights may infringe upon mine and what about the rights of the children that pedophiles attack? >> have you seen this by the way? >> i looked it up after i heard about it. bill: is this as bad as my imagination would lead me to believe. >> there are no graphic pictures, which is what amazon is using to get around, but it's a guide as to how to lure children, but there is a -- but there is no pornography in it. bill: it's an e book, an electronic book, you can download it on your computer, ipad, or blackberry. it stood by its decision yesterday to sell the book and now it's pulled the book down, right, but it has said amazon believes it is censorship as you referred to not to sell certain books simply because we were others believe their message objectionable. so then the question becomes at what point does this subside, where do you draw the line kelly? >> it's interesting, you don't have a right for

amazon to sell your product, so for them to take that stance, i think they like the controversy and want to be in the news about t. because realistically they get to physician what they sell. >> you think they want the controversy. >> absolutely. bill: controversy like this? >> they're saying that they are abiding by the first amendment but there's a different side of the article. we're talking about them, and now that book is not available for sell on their site. bill: okay, it was also taking preorder phos a book called him i -- called "i am the market, how to smuggle cocaine by the ton in five easy lessons. " did you know about that? >> did you know about a video game where the objective is to stalk women? >> i think it's about raping and killing a mother and daughter. >> and raping, yeah, is that for sale still? >> i believe that is for sale, still, and if it's not from amazon, it is for sale in other stores. bill: how do you as an attorney fight -- the right for the first amendment and what is justify phiably moral in society? >> you have to follow the law. your beliefs don't necessarily come into play

but the difference between the video game that's attacking women generally and a book that is teaching predators how to prair on children, i think you can make a distinction. i think they're both wrong and morally offensive and outrageous but i believe this pedophile book, this how-to guide, is creating more predators, allowing them access to things that maybe they weren't smart enough to think of themselves. bill: and that may be ultimately the point learned here, the lesson. forty-seven # scwhrien, it was, anyway, kelly, thank you for your time. we are taking viewer questions on this. as the online retail giant amazon giant backs down, after shocking consumers. fox is your resource for the developing story. head to our website, details, updates. here's martha. martha: on wall street this morning, it's down about 90 points, a lot of concerns about sovereign debt and cisco earnings are sinking the dow right now, a dow component, 93 points, 11263 and change. we'll keep an eye on it,

keep you posted. bill: senate republicans, fighting over whether or not there should be an outright ban on politically charged earmarks. republican senator jim inhofe is on deck. he says it may not be politically popular but some of the earmarks should stay. we'll ask him why and defend that case. and -- >> martha: today is a day we remember those who serve our country to protect what we value most. there's a live look on a spectacular day at arlington national cemetary, where the vice president will participate in the ceremonial wreath laying at the tomb of the unknown. we'll have that later this morning. we thank all the armed forces around the world for your service to our country on this veterans day, and we will be right back with more in "america's newsroom" on veterans day.

>> we got -- we got the iraqi launcher, got out in front of it, got one round off, i was looking to see if we had any wounded. i got kim berland on my back and armstrong, took them down where they would be in a safe position. >> bill: the point i'm making is we're not going to cut spending in washington if we think it's the job of every congressman and senator to pave local parking lots and build local sewer plants, these protectual interests are getting in the way of national interests. right now we have over 500

congressmen and senators who think it's their job to bring home the bacon. republicans have got to stop this and hopefully we'll get to hope it next week. bill: that's jim demint, talking about earmarks, pushing his party to pull the plug. republicans have already drawn the line on this issue but where does the line begin and end, earmarks are approved funds that go to special projects in a lawmaker's state, it's part of how congress acts today. a few examples which the critics love to lampoon, $5 million for a noise suppressor at an air force base, $1 million for city of piedmont municipal building. what about this? republican jim inhofe has strong opinions and senator, welcome back to "america's newsroom". it appears -- i know what your voting record is on the senate, you consider yourself one of the most conservative voting members of the senate if not the number one, but there's a rub here when it comes to earmarks, and you're hearing

it from your side, and the way i understand your perspective is that you think earmarks are okay in many respects. now let's go ahead and clarify this. where are we going to come down on this ultimately? >> here's the problem. first of all, when you eliminate an earmark, you don't save any money. the president sends his budget to congress. now, when the president does this, i'm on the armed services committee, he might say all right, we're going to spend x dollars, so we have to live within that amount, but he says we need to have another missile launcher or something else that, that we might say no, we'd rather have six more f-18s instead. now, if he makes that change, that would be called an earmark, and that means that we would be disenfranchised and the president would make all these decisions. that's what's critical about it, because do you really want to turn all of the spending over to president obama? and this is a problem that we have with this. bill: it's going to be -- >> i know what the popularity is, bill.

>> bill: the popularity says earmarks are bad and that's the label it has and i'll let you respond in a moment here. sixteen billion in total earmarks in congress, if i've got that number right, 16 billion is a small number compared to that decifit we're running up at $17 trillion, however, if you did eliminate the earmarks would that not send a strong message to the american people and rest of congress that fiscal responsibility is the order of the day? >> well, that sounds good, i know that's where the popular side is. kind of reminds me back when i was the only one who told the truth about global warming, none of the people out there were helping me on that, so i'm out alone again but i'm doing the right thing. i don't want to turn the spending function over to obama, and that's a -- you know, all the time we've been talking in the last two years about earmarks and this is on the floorks that's all they talked about was earmarks, during that two-year period, obama has raised the debt to over $13 trillion, more than all presidents previously, he's

cost my 25 grandkids $23 trillion in deficits, that's where the big money is and we're deflecting -- sure,plicity eliminate supper fluous earmarks and i have a position that i'll be presenting on the floor of the senate monday. i hope bill you'll be watching closely, because there is a solution to the problem. bill: let me get to one more issue here, and that is the newly elected republican leaders in the senate. a lot of them come from tea party roots. how is this going to be worked out among you? >> well, first of all, i was the strongest supporter of the tea party people. i actually spent time in west virginia, washington state, colorado, and really worked hard. i tell you, it's the most refreshing thing. i want those guys to come in and be concerned about the debt and the decifit and obamacare, the big items, then whatever they want to do, and you know, each one of the members who has come here, the tea parties, have said they do want to address state -- problems in their

own state, rand said that out of kentucky. bill: rand paul. >> and in some of the rest, they do, they are closer to the problems that are in their state. they should be the ones making those decisions, and not obama. let me tell you, in the state of oklahoma, i think -- >> bill will sen -- senator, i apologize. the computer is going to cut us off. i'm sorry about that. we'll look for your solutions come monday on the floor of the senate. >> thank you bill. bill: thank you. back in a moment. flurn flush

bill: are you a believer? >> martha: i amabler! bill: the case closed, the pentagon knocking down that idea that this was a secret launch! top brass says it was caused

by a plane, a disported angle taken by a helicopter pilot. top researchers say they're right but plenty of others are not convinced, martha. what do you think, america? screen left, screen right? martha: a lot of viewers think there's something there they're not being told! bill: you decide. martha: as we celebrate this veterans day today, los angeles county is kicking off a pilot program to help your vets with posttraumatic stress who have committed nonviolent crimes. adam housley is joining us live from the courthouse in los angeles. adam, what is veterans court and how is it different? >> reporter: yeah martha, this is one of 42 veterans courts across the country and this actually happens to be the largest. the whole program really began in 2008. the idea is to connect vets with services. there are a lot of services for our veterans but there are veterans who have not been able to connect with those services. what this court is meant to do is put the two together. it's imperative -- there are

four different agencies, including the department of veterans affairs that say that putting veterans with the services, helping them go to the special court really helps keep them out of trouble and helps rehabilitate them as well. take a listen: >> it helps our efforts. we have a court that's empathetic to the veterans' needs and the entire legal team is aware of what's going on, is willing to work within our system, is aware of the v.a. services. >> reporter: also, martha, inside the court is a bit less traditional as well. yes there's a judge and prosecutor and attorneys, but for example, one of the vets was in there and as he talked about how his rebill -- rehabilitation is going well, they had an applause for him, so it's a bit more laid back, less dramatic than usual. martha: thank you very much, adam housley, on this veterans day, adam housley in l.a. bill: here is a plan to save america, according to the debt commission, cut defense, raise the social

security age, raise the retirement age, cut income and corporate taxes, and cut the federal work force by 10 percent. are we ready for that, america? ready for some tough love to tame that big number behind us? martha: that's a big number. got to -- it's going to take something big. bill: coming up on 14. >> for some reason when you get politicians in a room and they close the door they go back to the same old staff reports, with the same old bad ideas. a lot of flibbity-flab or mumbo-jumbo. sounds like you need to name your price. no gobbledy-gook? never. do i still get all the dagnabbit coverage i need? sure. we give you a quote and you can adjust your price up and down to find something that works for you. ♪ this things okey-mcsmokey skiddly-doo. great! i think. diggity. oh! still not sure. the "name your price" tool. only from progressive. call or click today.

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martha: are you ready for this, folks? here it comes, now that the election is over, we were told it would take until then the debt commission chairs at least have started to release their ideas for a very tough plan to take on our debt. which we have showed you over and over and it keeps rolling on behind us here. in "america's newsroom."

here we go. increase the retirement age to 69, by the year 2075, that is a long way off, lowering social security cost of living in creases, cola is how it is -- increases and freeze domestic spending, which we'll get into and it is a big plan, this is a brand new hour of "america's newsroom," i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer, good morning, i hope i'm luck toy work until i'm 69 and a lot of folks aren't even born yet. martha: will you stay with me until then. bill: if you will have me. martha: good. bill: erskine bowles says if we don't do something, soon, our debt will absolutely kill our country. here: >> this debt is like a cancer. that will truly destroy this country from within, if we don't fix it. we are the most predictable -- on the most predictable path towards an economic crisis i can

imagine. martha: those are strong words from erskine bowles. and, north dakota democrat kent conrad is the chairman of the senate budget committee and is a member of the president's debt commission and is one of the people who will have to vote on this, senator, welcome, great to have you here this morning. >> good to be with you. martha: what do you think of the plan. >> i think the plan is moving in the right direction. that is, it does get ahold of our debt crisis, and, it does it in a very important way. $4 trillion, of deficit reduction over the next ten years. so, in terms of size and dimension, that is right, we can argue about the specifics, there are some things i don't like and a lot of things i do and we'll have a chance to alter it and improve it, next week, and, hopefully, we will reach conclusions. because, what is critical is we are borrowing 40 cents of every dollar that we spend in this country, that is clearly unsustainable. if we don't face up to it,

america is positioned to become a second tier economic power. and reduce economic growth and opportunity for our people, so, look, this is something we have to do. martha: senator, you know, it is good to hear you say that and a lot of people in this country, it is good hear a plan that is the bold and not everyone will like everything in it. let me ask you specifics here. are you willing to raise the social security age to 69, and i point out that that wouldn't happen until 2075. a long way away. >> short answer, is yes. it raises the retirements age, to 68, 40 years from now, it raises it to 69, 65 years from now. look, these are steps that have to be taken. and, why? because, social security is headed for insolvency, a fancy word for going broke. martha: exactly, a lot of the people who are paying into it will not get it, anyway and we might as well sign into some plan -- i want to get through a

couple of these and i have limited time. if i may, cut the federal workforce by 10%, good idea? >> some reduction in the federal workforce is clearly going to have to be part of a plan, i don't know whether the right number is 10%, we're analyzing that now. but, i don't think there is any question but that we'll have to have a reduction in the federal workforce as part of a comprehensive plan to get out of this crisis. martha: so, what about $100 billion cut in defense spending? we have had so many republicans and democrats on the show, and, we have asked them, are you willing to go after, you know, the holy grail, defense spending, social security, medicare, and, you know what? almost to a person they've said no. are you willing to cut defense spending, you know, in every single budget, there is always fat, everybody wants our country protected, of course. but are you willing to cut defense spending. >> the secretary of defense has proposed $100 billion in reductions in defense spending.

because, half of the spending in the defense is administrative overhead. it is a no-brainer that we have got to have savings in defense. as well as in domestic discretionary spending, as well as in the entitlements and we have got to have revenue, too. so, look, we have got to deal with the challenge. martha: do you think you will get bold, bipartisan support on the commission, 14 out of 18 members of the commission, to take the kind of strong action that the election clearly told us in the exit polls, people really want to take? are democrats and republicans both going to go the full distance? look, i certainly hope so. look, here's the problem that we confront. on the right, they say you cannot touch revenue. on the left, they say you cannot touch the entitlements. well, if you can't touch

entitlen entitlements and revenue you cannot solve the problem, we borrow 40 cents of every dollar we spend and the congressional budget office said we are headed for date, 400% of the size of our economy. nobody believes that is sustainable. and, what is the consequence? the consequence is the potential for a financial collapse, and possibility of ha greece is facing. martha: exactly, we will be greece if we continue on that road, senator conrad, it is a pleasure to have you with us today, hopefully you will come back and talk about it more. >> thanks for having me. martha: for a look at the entire proposal go to foxnews.com and click on the "politics" section and you can read through the ideas, and, it is bold as stuart varney said. bill: i love feta cheese but keep the rest of it in athens, frankly! one of the president's main advisors signalling the white house might be ready to compromise on the tax cut issue, david axelrod, saying, quote we have to deal with the world as

we find it, the world of what it takes to get it done. we'll comb through the commence, axelrod's comments, stephen moore, senior economic writer for the "wall street journal," he's on deck here in america's news room to talk about that. martha: a "fox news alert." the cruise ship nightmare is almost over, folks! thousands of passengers, there they are and the crew aboard the carnival sile carnival splendor, off the coast of san diego and they'll bring it into port and an engine fire left the ship dead in the water, no electricity or air-conditioning and the navy brought in supplies and folks have been roughing it on the decks of the bowat for days, surviving on spam and pop tarts. bill: come on home, folks. martha: and we'll see them soon. bill: someone tweeted yesterday, the bathrooms were out and they are feeding them spam. martha: bad combination. bad combination! bill: a beautiful picture, but, i mean, come on! let's end it for crying out

loud! get the chopper out there and bring 'em back. martha: bring 'em home. bill: wait until you see them disembark. we have a reporter there in san diego. okay, in the meantime, they are counting the ballots, counting nearly 93,000 votes, by hand in the last frontier. it could turn out to be more of a spelling test than a political decision, election workers in alaska, shichipping away at a mt mckinley like mountain of ballots and joe miller, no doubt hoping some voters botched lisa murkowski's name on the ballot and the voter's intent is not clear. and we'll started our second day of counting and numbers to date show what, dan springer, is reporting live. >> reporter: good morning, bill, they are through 20% of the votes and it will take five days instead of three because of the challenges from the miller people but we learned something significant that and that is a vast majority of lisa murkowski's supporters actually know how to spell her name.

remember, during the campaign, she spent most of her time telling people, how to vote for her, not necessarily why they should vote for her and, it paid off. 89% of the votes counted yesterday, write in votes were not challenged. they were good spellings of murkowski. 8% were challenged over minor spelling errors or in some cases even when it was spelled correctly, i witnessed that myself and the miller observer said he couldn't quite read it and they were added to the murkowski vote total, when official disagreed and the murkowski campaign is exasperated over all of the challenges. listen: >> it is supposed to be an election and not a spelling contest or penmanship contest, and, if the intent of the voter can be determined, we simply believe it should be counted. and we believe the state of alafb alaska believes the same. martha: >> reporter: the elections director says if she can phonetically sound it out,

she'll add it to the total and the most common spelling error, m, e, r, instead of m, u, r. bill: what is the best legal argument. >> reporter: miller filed a lawsuit on sunday and asked for a temporary injunction to get the count stopped and it didn't work, the federal judge said, no, the vote count can continue and those challenged ballots are being segregated and down the road, they -- the lawsuit will be heard on its merits, and that is his only chance and we needs 12% of the write ins to be thrown out to have a chance of making an 11,000 vote lead for murkowski. bill: back to counting and spelling, dan springer live in juneau, alaska. martha: could the white house be ready for compromise? lots of back and forth on extending the bush tax cuts, wait until you hear what the president's right hand man, david axelrod now said about that. bill: nancy pelosi, commuted from washington to san francisco. aboard a private jet.

the speaker to be, john boehner says you can forget about that idea. what is his plan? tell we'll you. martha: he's the governor of the old garden state. rarely sets foot in washington but is uncle sam digging for dirt on new jersey's chris christie? >> what is the attorney general of the united states taking up on a discarded and discredited political -- >> why -- >> launched during the campaigning and drinking it up now?

bill: the german government revealing it has unannounced checks on shipping firms and logistics companies and the germans have not found any major problems, they are not saying which companies were scrutinized, only that spot-checks were carried out recently. this follows, by the way, last month's cargo plane bomb scare. one of those mail bombs on board actually went through germany, before being intercepted, in britain. 13 minutes after the hour, now.

martha: big headlines and this question: tax relief in january? fox news is confirming that the white house is ready to accept an extension of the bush tax cuts, across the board, but they would not, they are telling us, make them permanent for everyone, only for the middle class and these developments clearing up comments, published this morning by the "huffington post" from president obama's top political advisor, david axelrod, who sat down store an interview in his office and here's what he said during the interview and it is a simple statement, we have to deal with the world as we find it. steve moore is a senior economic writer with the "wall street journal" and joins me now, steve, basically, it sounds like david axelrod is saying, we will not get what we want on this, and we are not willing to give up the middle class tax cuts and, politically that is our only choice, to go along with it. >> martha, i was excited last night when i heard the news, and, woke up in such a great mood. because, this is something that i have wanted for a long time, and i think it is good for the

economy. to basically say, let's make these tax cuts available for everyone, in other words, let's not raise taxes, starting on january 1st. but, then, just a few hours ago, maybe you have more recent information than i do, martha, but the white house was sort of backing away from this and saying, well, maybe when we said we would cut these taxes, it would be everybody except the top 2% or 1%, and is the same old game of back and forth and i hope david axelrod's review prevails, and, one other points, martha, don't forget, we are 50 days away from the start of the new calendar year and most businesses and mosts investors and most workers still don't have any idea what the tax rates are going to be next year. martha: i want to pull up another piece of what was said in that interview, we'll put it on the screen for everybody and he said there are concerns, he added congress will continue to kick the can down the road. in the future, by passing temporary extensions, you know, for the wealthy, time and time

again. but, i don't want to trade away security for the middle class, in order to make that pointed. you know, what i wonder here, steve, is if there is any acknowledgment or change of hearts on the part of the administration, they need to do it for economic reasons, not just for political reasons. >> you know, martha, that is' great point and, it really dovetails with the conversation you all just had with kent conrad. you know, he, i agreed with a lot of what he said but one thing i disagreed, he said, people on the right don't want more revenues and that is not true. martha, i'm as conservative as you get and i want more revenues for the federal government. we need an increase in tax collection. but, the way that do that is to get the economy to grow faster. to put more people back to work, i mean, that is a prerequisite to making any progress with the deficit and that is why i think, what the commission said yesterday was pretty interesting. in fact they said we have to bring these tax rates down, make our tax code more competitive, we're in a global economy and, want to bring jobs back to the united states, that is one of

the first steps of doing so and i think right now would be a terrible time, to be raising taxes, on businesses, and, remember, about 65% of the revenue they hope to collect from raising those top rates, those come right out of the hides of small businesses in america. martha: and, you touched on an important point, because, what -- and what is in this plan is to cut corporate and income taxes, you know, to raise a gas tax, to bring in extra revenue, but that is a big acknowledgment to cut corporate and personal income taxes, that is precisely the way you add to revenue in this country. >> we ought to be taxing consumption more and taxing businesses and saving investment less. and that is one of the problems i have with washington, is, you know, we tax virtue and reward vice. and that is exactly what our tax code does and getting those rates down and if we don't do this and retain our position with the 35% corporate tax, and then a 42% personal income tax, martha, we'll have higher tax rates, than most of the

industrialized countries that we compete with. that is not a very good formula for creating jobs here at home. martha: steve, thanks, always good to see you, have a good day, joining us from the "wall street journal." all right, look at this. this is our question, will the newly elected congress actually be able to turn that spinning number you see on the screen around? "america's newsroom," the web site, take our unscientific poll, yes, we should expect better results from the new congress or no, thing will get worse or the other one, which is not the greatest one... stay the same. can't stay the same for long. bill: what did rove say? republicans are on probation. martha: see if they can improve things. bill: and a guy will be making a lot of decisions, soon, john boehner, the speaker to be and he said he doesn't need a private jet, delta works fine for him and what happens, to nancy pelosi's private ride. because you asked we have answers and dollar figures, coming up next. martha: it has been a staple in

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here's the answer, citizens against government waste, leslie from, good morning to you. >> good morning, bill. happy veterans day. bill: thank you and to all the veterans, thank you. what happens to the plane. >> i assume it will be put back into circulation, and those planes are used to shuttle generals around and high ranking brass, often. and hopefully, with two wars going on at one time they'll put to it good use and the crew will be put to better uses and i

think it is an excellent choice for the speaker and he has already shown that he gets the tone and the new kind of environment out there. and is doing all he can at least symbolically, to set a new standard here in washington, so far. bill: we did a little bit of research and reagan national, d.c. to cincinnati, if you booked it today, for a trip, say, next weekend, next friday, coachers $739, and that is not cheap but book two weeks in advance the fare is cut in half and first class, round trip, same destination, $1394. washington, d.c. to san francisco. on a gulf stream 5, one of the nicest planes you will fly in, $28,000. >> absolutely. bill: given the benefit of the doubt, because san francisco is five hours flying time and cincinnati is a buck-15. 28 grand is what you say. >> keep in mind judicial watch did a freedom of information act and found out nancy pelosi spent 2 million, more than $2 million in a 15-month period, flying

back and forth between andrews, using military aircraft in san francisco, because she was shuttling family members, et cetera, it's. there's also the presumption issue, aside from the money, it is a perception issue and is very, very inappropriate and if you want -- >> you said john boehner gets it. he may get it. do you think the rest of washington gets it? >> we'll find out. bill: the debt commissions and there is a report on how to save money and the money on the debt, $13.7 trillion. do you think washington, right now, is ready to give america the hard choices and say, this is what we have to do, folks? >> well, i will tell you this much. you know, i will not prognosticate about social security and medicare at this point because you see there's a lot of cross-cutting currents there but i will say next week when the lame duck comes into session you'll see indications of where they are going, they'll make decisions about committee chairs and decisions about earmarks and make decisions about how they'll run the house, and whether it will be more

transparent and accountable, travel expenses as well. and that is all going to give you some idea of whether we are going to continue with business as usual or whether they will set the standard going forward. and if they can't do the small stuff it will be difficult for them to go to the people and say we want to do the big stuff. bill: great point, thanks for coming in today, okay? >> thank you, bill. bill: hemmer@foxnews.com and twitter@billhemmer. thanks for that question on twitter. martha? martha: for days they have been stuck at sea. no hot food, no working toilets. that might be the worst part of all! and the nightmare is nearly over, though, look at them coming into port there, you wonder what is on their minds and had an open bar, though and may be happy people. when they get off the ship. that's the good news. bill: splendor no more, right? gridlock, a bipartisan plan to reduce spending and tackle deficits and some folks blasting the idea, coming from both sides

of the aisle. is compromise possible? we'll debate it in minutes. >> every member of a commission today, when we're meeting said they thought it was a serious plan. and, nobody i think likes everything in it or dislikes everything in it. and so what we need to do now is debate it, try to come up with a reasonable compromise. how'd you do that? do what? you made it taste like chocolate. ok, umm...read her mind. [ male nouncer ] fiber one chewy bars. ♪my country, tis of thee, @ sweet land of liberty, of thee i sing;@ ohhhhh, land where my fathers died,@ land of the pilgrims' pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring! ♪

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should be back to port any minute now, we're told, thousands of cruise passengers have to wait hours, we are told to actually get off of the carnival splendor after days of being stuck at sea. good food and showers are definitely in order for these folks and, minnesota congresswoman michelle bachmann dropping her bid for a leadership spot in the house, dodging a potential battle over g.o.p. leadership, and, jeff hensarling will get the role and, after violent demonstration, yesterday, in the u.k., students protesting against government plans to raise university tuition fees and as you can see, they are not happy. bill: right about 10:31, right now, this time it is for real, right? reducing the nation's soaring debt, ideas that that met opposition yesterday, the president's commission on reducing the debt, drafting a new plan to cut federal spending

and most democrats don't like what they see. steve hayes, senior writer for the weekly standard, fox news contributor, good morning, steve! >> good morning, bill. bill: and bob beckel, analyst and also a fox news contributor, how are you doing. >> fine. bill: you want to work to 69? >> what. bill: you wants to work until you are 69. >> i am going to, yes. >> i don't mind. i will -- >> somebody wants to hire you, i'll work. >> steve hayes long way to go. i don't have that problem. but, bill, in your case you have plenty of time, man. bill: hold your fire here, would increase the retirement age to 69, by the year 2075, if you are around then. lowering social security costs of living increases, and, freezing some of that domestic spending. steve, we have heard it before, different chapter, different verse, maybe even a different book. is it real this time? >> no. i don't think it is. look, some of the proposals are good. some of the proposals are healthy and some of the proposals would actually cut

things, but, if you want sort of a big picture perspective, what we are talking about here, what is generating all of this squealing from washington, is a proposal that would in total cut the growth of the national debt by just 50%, over the next ten years. i mean, you are not actually talking about dramatic cuts. i mean, some of the cuts seem dramatic to the interest groups that argue for them and the overall seem of the things it will not solve our long term financial problems. bill: if you get an improving economy you get more tax revenue and that would help, too, wouldn't it, steve. >> true, but there is no discussion in the proposal of an overall spending cap and i think the assumption they seem to be using, on the growth of government, is somewhere north of 2%. which is -- when you are looking at the long term fiscal outlook, grim and deeply disturbing, the first thing you have to do is let's not spend any more money.

bill: stuart varney was with us a half-hour ago and, he looked at it and said, man, this is bold and they are going further than i expected. >> it is bold, and, i will tell steve, the fact they are cutting the deficit by 50%, saves you hundreds of billions of dollars in interest on the national debt. but leaving that aside, look what they've done, they want to increase social security and raise the gas tax and want to do e wa with the mortgage deduction, for houses and talking about taking on the big interest this town has and having said that, unless you are willing to do these things you will be staring at the deficit and, the time has come for people to put their money where their mouths are, and, the republicans have said they want to cut $100 billion and don't want to touch entitlement or raise taxes and, what let's see them do it and the fact of the matter is they can't and that is the true story about it. bill: you say you have to start somewhere, what about that argument, steve. >> you have seen people make proposals that start somewhere and actually do some of these things and you have seen

everybody talk about the plan to approach the problems in a way that would solve them long term and in the short-term, cause real pain, now, what paul ryan has gotten for -- and republicans have gotten for that, more generally, is basically, large demagoguery from the democrats, who at one point, i interviewed john that you know the last election cycle, he said anyone who read paul ryan's road map, is a target for democrats because they are taking the issues seriously. bill: martha talked about this 30 minutes ago, we saw riots in the streets of central london yesterday. >> you haven't seen anything -- >> rallies in paris, because they wanted to hike the retirement age from the 60 to 62 or something crazy like that. >> you will see a million wheelchairs rolling around capitol hill if it goes through the way it is now, but the fact is ryan's plan is an interesting plan, has good points to it, but the fact of the matter is, you have got to somehow raise

revenue, and the republicans refuse to do that. in any way. and the idea of a carbon tax is not a bad idea and you have to increase the cost of -- i mean, the age limit on social security. bill: you can raise revenue by creating jobs. >> but you can't get enough. that is the whole point, you cannot do it without -- what they are calling for is 3-to-1, spending cuts versus revenue and that is a pretty good deal, all the way around, republicans will not bite on it but now, let's see what they do, they are in charge of the house, and, let's see -- >> to both of you, yes or no, is any of this adopted, steve? >> probably not. bill: bob? >> i think so, it will be, yes. bill: okay, you know all the commissions get together and i think short of the 9/11 commission, very few, if any ideas are ever implemented and that has been the history. >> then we go broke. >> give the politicians cover. bill: let's continue this, steve, thanks, steve hayes, bob beckel, great to have you on today. thank you.

martha: there are new questions about and expected obama administration decision on the trials for the alleged 9/11 coconspirators and some reports indicate the venue may be, again, military courtrooms at gitmo. looking at recent sentences handed down by military courts, the american public may not like what they see there. national correspondent catherine herridge joins me now from washington. hi. >> reporter: thank you, martha. what most americans don't realize the terrorists convicted at guantanamo bay the last 6 months giet maximum of -- got a maximum of 8 years in prison, one who helped usama bin laden escape from tora bora was given two years under plea agreement with the military and omar khadr, picked up in afghanistan at 15, admitted killing an american special-ops medic, chris spear, sentenced to 40 years by a military jury but only symbolic, he'll get 8 years for the murder and a former lawyer at guantanamo bay

believes he could be on the streets much sooner. >> the military jury sentenced him to 40 years in prison after he admitted to the murdering of an american soldier. and, the secret deal which was done without the jury knowing it was that he'd serve 8 years, most of which would be in canada, and which essentially could mean he could be parolled next year. >> reporter: contrast khadr's cases with an american who was prosecuted in a virginia federal court and he pleaded guilty to threatening the creators of the cartoon south park because of the pictures of mohammed and he's looking up to 30 years for the threat and supporting a somali-al qaeda group when he is sentenced in a month's time and there is the contrast, martha, 30 years, potentially for an american, and just 8 for a canadian who killed an american soldier. martha: something to take into consideration in this argument, thank you very much. >> reporter: you are welcome. bill: oh, the splendor, oh... martha: the splendor, the

spam-dor! bill: oh, the joy, to be at sea, folks! 3300 lucky passengers, on board that cruise ship. are about to make it home. martha: took the week off from work for that, too! that is the worst part, right. bill: what a disaster, they have six tugs, trying to steer the 113,000 ton vessel to port. no bathrooms, no a.c. martha: be a land-lubber, folks, you can check out of the hotel, you can leave. bill: and you don't have to have spam. martha: one man is trying to sink one million baskets, folks, to help u.s. veterans and you will meet him, how far has he gotten so far? you will be amazed, when we come back.

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this thing, peacefully. wanted to show you the backup, oakland stretching across the buy and hopefully police on the scene there can help make sense of the world for this man, very soon. martha: tough situations. bill: 15 minutes before the hour. >>... all the people and to our kids, you call us greedy. >> go tell them you don't like the image they are portraying for teachers across new jersey. don't complain to me about it. martha: there he is, new jersey's governor, chris christie, fighting back against the teachers union last night, but, now, he is taking heat from a report from the u.s. justice department, an inspector general's report that says while he was attorney general, over the span of several years, that he exceeded the amount of what he is supposed to spend on hotels, government allowable amount by a whopping $2100 over the years of several years. charlie hurt is with us today, the washington bureau chief with

"the new york post." charlie, why now? this came up during the campaign, and what do you make of all of this? >> well, i think this is what happens when you get into government and you try and change it and you try to, you know, rein in government spending. this is a guy who has cut an $8 billion project, to build a tunnel to new york, that new jersey couldn't afford, the guy who stood up to the teachers union, and, said, look, we are not going to spend money to make you all happy any more. and, he gets clipped for $2,000, outside of the, you know, perimeters of how you are supposed to get reimbursements for travel. martha: let's look at -- let's look at the statement from his office. it comes from his spokesperson, and, let's put it up on the screen. we went for government rates first, referring to the hotels and travel stuff. and i don't think there were a lot of stays in five-star hotels over 7 years, and, you know, the

governor has said, you know, basically, they went with whatever was available and when they couldn't gets the government rate they went for the next highest and the office handled it, and that is what it was and it came up during the campaign and it was discussed and do you think it is political we are now seeing the attorney general's report released now, people are also discussing the possibility of a presidential run for the governor? >> there is nothing -- nothing is coincidence in politics and i think there is no doubt the reason that this has come up, again, and the reason we're going to hear about it, we are going to hear about it for years, martha. until -- we'll keep hearing about it. forever! martha: let's look at the approval numbers, the quinnipiac poll, sorry to interrupt, i wanted to pump it up, while we are chatting about this. new jersey, a new jersey poll, a blue state and the governor has a 51% approval rating compared with president obama's 46% approval rating which is astonishing, especially considering what you brought up, that he cancelled the tunnel

project which would have meant tons of jobs and he's going after the teachers unions and still popular, in his home state? >> he's one of the few people out there, who sort of is taking the partisan landscape and returning it from partisan to common sense and people actually understand when you say, we cannot afford an $8 billion project, we cannot afford to continue to pay the teachers unions the way we have in the past, and people, teachers unions or whatever, it makes sense to them, because they do it in their own lives and, all said, he needs to be sure he doesn't get into any more trouble about anything like that, and anything that smells like it, beuse, he will get hit, and he's going to get hit hard on it, not only by his, you know, known enemies, but, also by the press, because, you know, we're going to site as this you know -- some sort of hypocrisy and it doesn't matter, $2,000,

versus $8 billion. bill: and my guess is that... martha: folks have been read the riot act if they are not following the rules, because he'll be under a lot of scrutiny, as you point out, charlie, interesting story. thanks, always good to see you. >> thank you. bill: martha... martha: yes, bill? bill: here she comes. martha: getting closer. bill: here comes splendor, bottom right-hand corner, upper right, lower left! martha: goodness. bill: plan a honeymoon and set out with the new baby... martha: look at all of those people, up on the decks, who wants to be inside on this thing! probably smells awful there. bill: 3300 passengers, 1100 crewmembers and that is a beautiful sight for them. come on home, splendor! martha: no more spam, ever, we promise! this guy -- show you, right there, yes, he has serious game and he's not practicing for the nba, how the free throw star is using basketball to help our troops on this veterans day.

we will be right back with this wonderful inspiring story.

>> as we honor our veterans, a new jersey man is trying to make difference in the lives of our wounded vets and their families. molly line has his inspiring story. >> reporter: every day he stands before the hoops and shoots, for hours. and the new hampshire dad is aiming to net $1 million for the intrepid fallen heros's fund by making 1 million freeway throws. >> i'm here to support our veterans and servicemen and women who, you know, on a daily basis are sacrificing far more

than i ever had to sacrifice in my life. >> reporter: on a web site dubbed hoops for heros, sponsors from all 50 states have donated. and, from his driveway or the local school gym, he shoots on average more than 1300 hormonop day, and doesn't miss many, making 92%, an average many nba stars would envy and he says his goal doesn't seem daunting when he thinks of sacrificing america's soldiers make, boots beneath the basket donated by a soldier who served are a reminder. >> the shoes are my way of remembering what i'm doing here, each day, and, for the men and women who might be on the basketball court if they were not serving our country. >> reporter: molly line, fox news. bill: thanks for that, dave cummings, founder of hoops for heros, with me now. nice to see you. 1 million shots, endless gratitude is what it says on your hat there. when did you come up with the idea. >> after hearing about the intrepid fallen heros fund and their mission of supporting

fallen higher roeros and their , and men and women, able to be saved in the battlefield, but, now, coming home with these lifelong and life altering injuries, turning families an lives upside-down. bill: you are right about that and it is important to remember on a day like that and you played high school basketball. >> yes. bill: and shooting how many free throws a day to get to 500,000 today? >> it takes 1379 shots per day! bill: dedicated, and you get 500,000 today on board the uss intrepid, what time. >> 3:00. bill: 3:00 this afternoon and a year from now you think you will make it to... 1 million. >> a year from now, yes. that is the hope, 1370 a day, starting over again and we did it once to here and we can do it again to get to next veterans day and a million. bill: i hope your wife is patient. >> he's great. bill: and i hope your three kids enjoy being in the yard with you as you shoot hoops in new hampshire, good luck to you, thanks for what you are doing. we'll see you next year. >> i hope so.

bill: number 1 million, dave cummings here. martha: thanks, dave. in the meantime, we bring you this "fox news alert," we are getting word here of a blast in pakistan, near the u.s. consulate, in karachi, pakistan, which is the biggest city in pakistan, and we'll keep a close eye on that and have more, coming up after this. back in a moment. are you receiving a payout from a legal settlement

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