break up the band? >> that was orco. >> and broke up wings too, and hall and oastes. >> where are we? 15? okay. terrible. treasure having you. i'm greg gutfeld. goodbye. >> this is a fox news alert. the somali pirates just freed british couple paul and rachel chandler. their yacht were captured in the indian ocean. the couple were abducted from the yacht on october 23 of last year. the chandlers arrived saturday in a central somali town. eye witnesses say the couple looked tired but show nod outward signs of being ill.

they were given cell phones to make calls as soon as they entered the housing the administration headquarters under heavy guard. fox news learned that the british couple paul and rachel chandler have been freed after being held by somali pirates more than a year. there is no word if a ransom was paid. stay with us for more on this developing story. now back to "geraldo at large" already in progress. fell. >> building 47. >> the official explanation is that fire brought down building 27. >> over 1200 architects engineers looked into the evidence. >> up until now only those considered nut jobs questioned the conclusion that office fires caused by the nearby catastrophe of the towers collapsing brought down tower number 7. >> i believe it is the first time that fire melted steel. i believe it defies physics that building 7 which collapsed in on itself.

it is impo possible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved. >> geraldo: that would mean that the most obnoxious protesters in recent years are right. >> the shouting is a group of demonstrateors that have come. 9/11 was an inside job? oh, get a life 9/11 was an inside job. welcome to the show. i'm geraldo rivera and that noisy demonstration was more than two years ago but the folks behind that tv ad are not so easy to dismiss as the demonstrateors were. more than 1300 engineers examined the evidence of the building collapse and disagree with the official report issued by the national institute of standards and technology. before we exam what they have, this head's up. we probe the remorseless

randall moore who raped his own wife and then taunted her family at his sentencing. live at the mexican border, the most dangerous place on earth right now. up front tonight, building seven was no ordinary building. among other key tenants including several intelligence and law enforcement agencies it also housed new york city's emergency operations center. known as may drew giuliani's bunker. here to tell us what they know about the collapse and why they question the official conclusions are bob mcelvain whose son tied in the world trade center and tony, a ma mechanical engineer. >> tony let me start with you. you are an engineer. are you suggesting that the official account that building 7 collapsed because of the fire melting the steel or in some other ways destroying the structural integrity of the

building that that is false? you think that that is false? >> yes, do i. and for a couple of reasons. one is that building seven came down, it went into a sudden collapse across the full width and length of the building. 2.25 seconds which amounted to 105 feet or eight 13-foot tall storeries. it was in full free flow acceleration. that is impossible because in a natural collapse columns would have to buckle. when columns buck there will is a minimum resistance. it means it never goes to zero. it is impossible. you can't reach -- >> here is in lay men's terms. what he is saying is that the top floor collapses and hits the next floor and the next floor and bang, bang, bang, bang, the weight of the upper floors. >> it would slow down. it was in full free flow acceleration. all of the potential energy. >> instead of what i just zee described it just collapsed

like a pancake. >> it just came down. >> what are you suggesting brought it down, tony? >> i'm suggesting there was some kind of demolition devices in the building. >> you think explosives brought down the building. >> some time of demolition device. i'm saying it was in free fall acceleration. >> let me ask you this before i get to bob here. we have all seen old obsolete buildings in public housing and other places outlive their usefulness being demolished by the professionals who can actually collapse a building right in its own footprint. that is what it looks like happened to building 7. do you leave that is what happened? >> i do believe that is what happened? >> why do you think show are lying about it? >> i don't know the details. i can't read their mine is. all i can say is that scientifically it is impossible for fire to have done what we

see. >> and the arenac county texts who afree with you and some of the other relatives families. i know you found your son a couple of days after the disaster. he was outside, i don't want to get into the details of how you believe he died but these architects engineers do they support your contention and do you believe that 9/11 was an inside job? >> i believe it was an inside job, okay. >> you believe our government -- did please, the thing is we don't have enough time to get into the reasons for that. we set up building watt campaign. >> building watt.org. >> the reason we have that is because judge laner when we petitioned, we had a petition to have a new investigation in new york city about building seven and when the lawyers. >> and you are asking the new york city council. >> he said building what

because nobody has any idea about building seven? i talked to so many firemen and so many ems workers, police american who talk about the explosions and i know you don't want to get into my son's death but i feel my son died from an explosion. i went to all of the 9/11 commission hearings. i have blue jays researching for nine years.hing this >> what do you want? >> i want truth. i have been lied to. it is beyond a reasonable doubt that the 9/11 commission did not tell this story. >> geraldo: did not mention the building barely at all. >> right. >> geraldo: what forum do you want it in? >> new york city because we feel like they can investigate 9/11. >> do you want the new york the new yorkinsurgency still council to open its own investigation of the building seven collapse. >> absolutely. >> and that would satisfy you if they did that. >> i'm still not done.

i'm a parent who has an obligation to find out why my son was murdered. as far as this show and new york city, i want the investigation. that will not be sufficient enough. >> not heal your wounds, i get it but it is the beginning. >> of course, it is the beginning but that is why i support this cam main. >> bob mcilvane we thank you. thank you very much. it is an intriguing topic. i'm more open pointed than i was because of the involve meant and all the engineers and architects. clearly they know more than i did thank you, georgetown >> with the murder of two university students, ciudad juarez confirmed

thousands have been killed in the civil arrogance that pits the drug cartels against the heroic troops sent into battle by mexican president calderon. >> we have a serious problem, yes. however, we are facing the problem. as i said to mexican people, it is going to take money and it is going to take time and unfortunately it is going to take human life. what were the options for government. either you allow all those criminals to take over the country or you face the problem and we decide to face of that and that is the most important thing. >> certainly is. craig is at ground zero in ciudad juarez. >> in a scene reminiscent of a war zone the morgue here in juarez ad to capacities, victims of the frequent and

deadly blood battles, the three year turf war has left a staggering death toll. more than 2700 so far this year alone as the most powerful drug gang in mexico goes up against the longest running to dominate the lucrative border with the united states. >> we are around 7,000 in the last three years here in juarez and we have something like 82% that they are still -- we have a big problem here in juarez. >> just a stone's throw from el paso, texas, bull lets afterren stray across the border, hitting buildings downtown. but the violence has spilled over as well. most esuriently, tw recently ts attending the university of texas in elpass sew were killed

outside their home in juarez. both students were living with family there. >> the families are not cooperating with us because they are afraid. >> according to the d.a., this seemingly random murder is why 150,000 have fled the city alone. >> this city used to be a city where everybody came from other places of mexico. we had a lot of jobs here. we have very nice city here but everythingyears guy everybody started to change from the running gun battle interfered with the drug trade. drug gangs now resort to kidnapping, prostitutio prostid extortion to finance the battle, sometimes using hit men in their teens. >> we have people here that they are going to kill people for 100 pesos. >> we have very young people, 14 to 15 years that they won

with. they think that is the way to live. >> the police are targeted. when we approached they ran up to our car with guns drawn not sure if we were there to ambush them so they are very much on alert. >> local television station channel 44 captured this exclusive video when a grenade was tossed at a police check point. >> are you outgunned right now? >> i think the problem is the corruption. more than we have less power than them. we have the problem that they have money to buy everything. to buy police men, to by politic people, everything. so that is what we are mighting against. >> craig a live in el paso. you know, bro, hearing mixed reports. last year when we were down there it was all crim and we were losing. i heard more recently we are doing much better at least the forces of life.

the government forces are getting much better. what is your view on the ground in ciudad juarez. >> we are doing a better job of targeting the drug king pens. you know, these guys are outgun the and they are outspent. just last week the mexican government estimated that in siudad juarez alone -- we have 20,000 u.s. customs and border patrol agents. 1200 national guards and several hundred i.c.e. agents guarding the entire board. and they have 8,000 bad guys in one town. >> in one town. >> two u.s. mayors coming up who are adjacent to the border who are adjacent to the border pa control

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>> geraldo: joining us live, two border mazeors who have their hands full dealing with the spillover. john cook from austin texas and raul saleno. a former fbi agent. he is in san antonio tonight and t.j. bonner, the president of the union that wraps the border patrol agents is in san diego tonight. mayor cook, you and i together last year, last year you were confident that el paso would remain safe from the violence. has it spilled over? are you stopping it at the border, what is the deal? >> actually, el paso is still the second safest large city in the united states of populations over 500,000. most of my time is spent dispelling the myth that the violence has spread or spilled over the border.

is the u.s. border cities dangerous? of course, they are. look at detroit, three murders a week. that is a border city can canada. in el paso we had three murders, one was a murder suicide. when you say i have my hands full, it is deal boting with spillover violence. i don't think they had any murders in laredo this year. >> let's ask the mayor. hang in there. major salinas is your experience similar. in i know you had the crazy thing on the mexican side recently and you had tony tormenta the cartel leader was killed by the mexican marines and they block aided some of the bridges. can you report as mayor cook is that your city is relatively

unscathed by the violence south of the border? >> i would definitely agree with that. in this year we only had seven murders and i can tell you that we have been able to contain that because all of the law enforcement community is working together. the federal and state and local community. i feel that is important. >> geraldo: is that because the cartel guys are mart enoug smao know hot to mess on the u.s. side, that that would bring down retribution that they could not handle or just that our defenses along the border are so good that we are keeping it on the south side? >> geraldo, if i could try to answer that. >> geraldo: mayor salinas first and then t.j. bonner. >> let me say we have been able to strengthen that and i think it is important when you send a message that we are going to have zero tolerance for that kind of violence on our side of the border. my responsibility as mayor of the city as the number one priority is to protect the sit

citizens of will ray dough. we received a cops grant for 23 police officers. i agree that it is a myth and overblown. we have to be on target and make sure that we can continue to work hard in a unified fashion to maintain the border are safe. >> geraldo: hold it right there. i have to take a break.

>> geraldo: welcome back live, everybody. continuing with mayors john cook of el paso and raul salinas of laredo, texas, and t.j. bonner the president of the national border patrol council. t.j., i think that the optimistic take of the mayors is not something that you see as the main headline here is that, correct? >> that's correct. what we are talking about here is an all-out war down in mexico just yards from the u.s. border. we have had in the past three to four years 28,000 confirmed murders carried out by the cartels. that is about one every hour of every day. that is pretty alarming. u.s. border patrol agents are assaulted once every eight hours. this is a war zone.

>> geraldo: the point is that you guys are doing a superb job in keeping the violence on the mexican side. not so say that is not still a grave national security issue because the stability of mexico one of our largest trading partners not to mention the millions of vehicles that cross the border and legitimate tourists and innocents that cross the border aside from all the illegal and undocumented traffic, critical issues to the united states but what the mayors are suggesting is that our uniformed services, our border patrol, our national forcesen and other form forces there are keeping the bandits south of the border. do you agree with that? >> i tonight. second asizona is only section

the kidd nap capital of the world. they go in and spirit the people away and torture them and kill them down in mexico. >> geraldo: let's get a reality check. raul, what is the truth. how is kidnapping in laredo. >> that has not been a problem. obviously mr. bonner and i respect his views. we are doing our job. what we are trying to do is get more personnel. >> geraldo: don't you think mexico needs more help? >> absolutely. and we need to work -- and you mentioned it, geraldo, they are our biggest trading partner. in laredo alone we cross 10,000 to 12,000 trucks every day. of course, it is important. that is why we have to maintain the stability. what we need to do, we need to intercept the weapons going south. the solen cars that are going south and the money. we need more personnel in order to do that. i have to say that the working relationship that we have all along the border when you talk about the fbi, dea, everybody

working together, all the law enforcement community, that is what is important. that is the biggest deterrent and that is what we have got to do and we have been doing that. we finally got some help from washington thanks to our congressman. but we need -- we just need to make sure that we work together and collect the intelligence. >> geraldo: got to leave it ñ÷here, mayor salinas and cook

this is a fox news alert. somali pirates have just freed paul and rachel chandler. their yacht was captured in the indian ocean. they arrived saturday, in a central somali town. eye witnesses say the couple looked tired z they were given cell phone tz to make calls soos they arrived. we've now learned results of two propositions on marijuana

california rejected legalizing recreational marijuana voters seem to see it as a good tax prop. and approved new, or higher taxes on pot sales. california's neighbor approve a measure legalizing medical marijuana across that state. now back to "geraldo at large". . now, back to "geraldo at large." >> geraldo: this is a fox news alert. joining fourteen other states and the district of columbia, arizona voters have approved a measure that will legalize medical marijuana. the victory has been a long time coming because proposition 203 won by a tiny margin of just 4400 votes out of 1.7 million counted. the final tally was 841,346 in favor, 837,005 opposed. given the electoral sweep of

the state by conservative republicans like governor january brewer the fact the measure passed in arizona concerns my theory that lots of conservatives smoke pot. this is a fox news alert. president obama is wrapping up his asian tour with a crucial meeting this evening. actually, it is already sunday morning in yokohama japan. the treaties that determine the makeup of our nuclear arsenals between russia and united states. >> president obama focusing on nuclear diplomacy promising the russian president the senate will ratify the new start treaty later this month. >> i reiterated my commitment to get the treaty done during the lame duck session and i communicated to congress that it is a top priority. >> but the white house still isn't sure it has the 67 senate

votes needed to ratify the treaty which was signed in april. republicans demanding billions to modernize the u.s. nuclear arsenal and they know democratic senate numbers will go down this year. this final stop on the round the world tour was the asian pacific economic cooperation and like two of the other three stops the focus here was trade. president obama hoping to roll back some of china's gains in the asia pacific market and boost u.s. exports. >> in this region the united states sees a huge opportunity to increase our exports in some of the fastest growing markets in the world. for america, this is a job strategy. because with every $1 billion we sell in exports 5,000 jobs are supported at home. >> and -- at a break in the summit, japanese dance drama dating from the 1600s. the annual gathering is famous for showcasing the host.

aids say the president is not going home empty handed but didn't get the two main things he wanted on the trip. a free trade agreement with south korea and global pressure on china to stop manipulating its currency to gain an unfair advantage in exports. >> thank you very much. now, the president has to come home and get to work. unless the current lame duck congress and the president can agree on a compromise in just six weeks on january 1 every one of us will be hit with a tax increase as the so-called bush tax cuts expire. so far the president appears adamant that the current lower rates will only be extended for lower and middle income households. those earning less than $250,000 a year. >> i continue to believe that extending permanently the upper income tax cuts with bwould bea mistake and that we can't afford it and my hope is that some where in between there we

can find some sort of solution. but i'm not going to negotiate here in seoul. >> i think extending all of the current tax rates and making them permanent will reduce the uncertainty in america and help small businesses begin to create jobs again. you can't invest when you don't know what the rules are, when you don't know what the tax rates are going to be next year and that is why making these permanent would be the most important thing we could do to help create jobs in the country. >> geraldo: with the crushing deficit. with the need to stimulate the economy or at least the need to create jobs, what is the president and congress to do? let's ask my favorite unofficial candidate for the republican presidential nomination former arkansas governor, a colleague of mine, mike huckabee. good to see you, governor. >> good to see you, geraldo. >> geraldo: a conservative who never smoked pot. >> thank you for clarifying that. i want to be sure the world news. >> geraldo: isn't it hard to justify continuing the bush area tax cuts for the highest

earners? the president says $250,000. i say the way to really make a compromise is make it for those who earn a million or more a year. how about if that was the proposal, the proposed compromise, would you support that? >> well, it is not necessary and it doesn't really help the economy. i think the problem, the president seems to have this vision that when people who are making 250,000 or more a year have a tax cut they sit there like simon playing with their coins. is money that they hire people with and invest with. that is money they spend and if they spend it on a jet, somebody has to wash the jet, service the jet, fuel the jet. it is job creation. when those people don't get their money, they can't spend it, they can't invest it, they can't hire people and many small businesses file as individuals but they are actually small businesses. so this idea that we are only talking about riche rich people

are actually talking in many cases about struggling small businesses whose margin isn't a million dollars but their gross income is a million dollars. >> i agree with you at the level of $250,000. a lot of people live in jersey with a house worth $600,000 or $700,000 and kids in college. >> if they have two kids in college they are poor. >> and probably in debt, absolutely. what if you raise that level, though, what if you make it -- the governor says -- the president says millionaires and billionaires will benefit from the continued tax cut. >> i say make it millionaires. not the people that make between 250,000 and a million. a million up. how can you say that a 4% tax bump is going to cripple their ability to spend and stimulate the economy? >> i don't know that it is going to be the end of the world. >> that is four times more than you ever earned until you went into the private sector.

>> the freudian slip on governor, he would have been better if he had been a governor for awhile. a little experience. the question is who do i think will better use that money? the individuals who worked really hard and earned it or the government who has shown a reckless disregard for any level of responsibility whatsoever? i vote for the poem wh people o worked for it, earned it and will probably do a better job of putting it back in the economy. >> you want the tax cuts for everybody and you want them permanently. >> i don't think they will get them permanently. barack obama saves face is that he pushes the republicans to a two year extension or three year extension or even a one year extension but he has to do something and this is not something that can wait. >> geraldo: look at what happened with the inheritance tax. went to zero and now going back to 50%. aside from all of the books

being published by the prospective presidential candidates including this great one mike huckabee's can't wait until christmas, sarah palin unups with her eight part documentary series about her life and times in alaska. watch a clip. >> i think we will be stuck there. the anchor is dropped and a bear is coming towards us. i'm looking around to todd going are you feeling what i'm feeling, todd. wow. >> that whole misperception about being a diva cracks me up. >> there is a gnta stuck to my lip. i would describe myself and my family as normal average every day americans. >> geraldo: isn't that a brilliant campaign video an 8 part series? >> it is a wonderful opportunity for people to see the real sarah palin, not the one the media has portrayed as the whacked out former governor. i think they will see she is a loving wife and mother and she and todd have a great

relationship and a loving relationship with their children. >> qualify to be president? >> more so than the one we have got. she had more experience. >> geraldo: two years as governor? >> how many years did barack obama have at running anything? i don't dislike barack obama but i think the criticism over sarah palin has been over the top and unfair. i think it will be tough to unseat him. very tough. >> geraldo: we will talk more as we get closer to it if you are still allowed to talk. you may be part of it. >> geraldo: coming up, he is the kind of criminal who made yellowbook has always been crucial to your business, but now, to get it really cooking, you need a little website development. some transparent reporting, so you know it's working. online ads and 1-on-1 marketing consultation.

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did this to my daughter is evil and despicable and you are now dead and repulsive to me. >> you are lose. >> geraldo: disgusting man. usually when a defendant is being sentenced they try to put the offense in context. remember even the connecticut butcher tried to convince the court that his abusive childhood led him to this life of savege crime. not so randall moore of iowa. convicted of raping and murdering his es stranged wife.

>> i had several no contact orders on me and the funny thing is the day after it was put on me that girl was laying in my bed with me. she wasn't too worried about. it was a piece of paper to keep me away. i have not one ounce of remorse for teresa ann's death. it could have all been prevented. all you had to do is let me see my kid. now, you are never going to see her again. >> i can't believe what i heard but i'm really glad you had your right of allocution and you could say everything that you said because if anybody didn't know what a piece of work you were before you start talking they know it now. you give a new meaning to the word evil. the court doesn't allow me to punish you any more than i'm doing now. if i could, i would. >> geraldo: kimberly, i wish he could. don't you wish that guy would have his finger nails pulled

out. >> if there was a case where somebody deserves to be tortured it is that man. it is good that the judge said if i could give you more punishment i would. good luck with my appeals, finished. >> geraldo: i hope that what he said doesn't rally other crazy men that have protective orders against them to do the ultimate, you know what i mean. >> but they see ultimately they don't get away with it. he is being punished to the fullest extent of the law allowed by the judge and what he can do in this case. >> geraldo: i hate to top what he did but on the scale of horror this is even worse. this is another fox news alert. it's her. it's zahra baker, the ten-year-old whose leg was lost to cancer and whose life with a distracted probably evil dad and apparently cruel stepmother was hell on earth, here is the hickory north carolina police chief tom atkins. >> it is with great regret that i stand before you today.

i have been dreading this moment early on in this investigation. we recovered enough physical evidence to believe we have found zahra. >> geraldo: ten years old. horrifying. >> just sad. really is. >> this is ken smith, fox affiliate wral joins us live from raleigh, north carolina. thank you very much for being with us tonight, ken. first they found the prosthetic leg and then the rue ma human . describe how and where they were found? >> what we have here is a growing mystery because you have this little girl who overcame so many odds yet we don't know who is responsible for her death and whether or not she may have suffered. her remains were found in an area where the family used to live in a neighboring county because they moved to one county but all the remains are being found in a neighboring county. they found a bone and about five miles later found human

remains. now, we are trying to figure out and that community wants to know who is responsible for this and a lot of people are still asking questions. >> geraldo: when you say that we have the father adam baker, we have the step mother alisa baker. she is now being held for obstruction of justice for penning a phoney ransom note and filing a missing persons claim and she made admissions about adam saying he did something horirifying to that child's body after she died. it seems clear that her dad and stepmom are involved in her disappearance and butchering? >> a lot of people in hickory will agree with outages o you t point but police aren't saying. the police chief says very little information will be released in the case from now on because he does not want to jeopardize the investigation. as you said, lisa baker is only in jail charged with writing the fake ransom note.

the dad was arrested on unrelated charges, he and his attorney had a lengthy meeting with police on friday but yet he was allowed to go home. everybody is wondering who is responsible for killing this little girl. >> geraldo: kimberly, tell a little bit about this girl's story. not just that she lost her leg to cancer or ended up with crew cruella devil. >> having the amputation and the prostitutio prosthetic leg. >> the birth mother gave the child up why? >> too to post par item depression and she was suffering after the birth of her daughter and she did try to get back in contact with her and have her back in her life. she is devastated by what transpired and look what happened.

really no mystery. it is a matter of time before these two are charged. the step bride is going turn on him. that is a done deal. >> geraldo: she is trying already. >> she is going to divorce him. >> geraldo: he knows what happened to the child. she said i might as well divorce him, my life is over now anyway and what he did to her frightens me afterward. >> geraldo: what about not charging the couple yet? >> they are trying to build the strongest case. there is also a mountain are testing for dna in the same dump area. this is just a mat aer of time. >> geraldo: i would assume that adam baker even though he is out on bail they must have a lot of lies on him right now? >> absolutely. supposedly he has been cooperating with police from the very beginning but police have said from the very beginning that he is not above

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>> geraldo: 35-year-old julian pictured himself ending up with the bachelorette jillian but when she passed him up for another man he was suffering from such severe depression he felt suicide was the only way out. reid rosen that will was a

contestant along with julian on the bachelorette during that time. kimberly is still with us. so, you knew this kid? >> i knew him well. >> geraldo: and was he a moody manic kind of person? >> he was the nicest guy in the world. >> geraldo: did he seem on an even keel? >> yeah, in fact, he was kind of, you know, when you live in a house with it is basically a fraternity house with a bunch of idiots running around drinking he was kind of the calm dad of the house. he would cook dinner with everyone and got along with everyone. he stayed on the outskirts. i don't think he wanted to get involved with everybody. i never would have expected this. >> geraldo: he seems like an action junkie. >> attention seeker. >> geraldo: i think when people keep looking for the next big thrill at a certain point maybe you just kind of run u out of options. >> i'm not a psychologist. >> geraldo: i'm not either, i just play one on t.v.

>> but, yeah, i mean i don't think reality tv had anything to do with it. >> geraldo: you really don't? there have been 11 suicides in reality tv contestants and the psychologists talk about the letdown, the losers that go from, you know, accolades to isolation or back to private. >> did you say the losers go from. >> geraldo: i didn't mean losers. >> freudian slip. >> insult a guest. >> i was a loser. >> geraldo: i don't want to bump you out. >> gee, now what are you going to do? >> so i think there has been a ton of reality stars. i mean how many seasons, reality tv has been on, 20. >> the population is so large that perhaps it is not disproportionate with the general population. we were talking earlier these people all probably had issues before hand. might have suffered from depression and that could trigger. you go on a show and you are somebody and all of a sudden

you figure you are nobody. >> i don't think it had anything to do with -- >> this would have happened. he was on the show for a week. he was on one episode maybe or two episodes. >> i thought he went all the way to number two. >> i got turned down on national tv. >> he should be more bummed out. >> you know, i'm not depressed and my life is the same as it was -- well, not the same, but, you know, i'm going with it. he obviously had issues. >> geraldo: you were in real estate before. do you have dreams of continuing star dom? maybe the next one will say, yes? >> i have gotten feedback that i should continue to do tv. >> and you are exploring it. >> i'm exploring it, some hosting opportunities but i like real estate so i want to kind of merge the two. >> geraldo: merge the two. >> go on trump sell. >> geraldo: right. thank i'm robert shapiro. over a million people have discovered how easy it is to use legalzoom for important legal documents.

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