martha: more dogs and profilers and happening now will start at the top of the hour, bill and i thank you for being here today, we'll see you back here tomorrow, have a great day. happening now, starts, right now. my partner in the chair over there, we'll be back here tomorrow with more of "america's newsroom," have a great day, fox news channel, straight ahead, on "happening now. >> we begin with a "fox news alert." a terrible accident in missouri, involving a school bus, it happened, involving a bus from the rockwood school district, and, suv colliding with the bus, the suv burst into flames, six children sent to the hospital, and, this is in eureka missouri, 25 miles north of st. louis, 6 children on board the bus sent to the hospital, no word on

their condition and no word on what has happened to the driver of the suv. there were flames involved, the suv, we're told, burst into flames, upon impact, and you can see, it was a terrible impact and the suv was traveling on the wrong side of the road and that is why the head-on collision occurred, this again in eureka missouri, the rockwood school district, 6 children sent to the hospital. >> hi, thanks for joining us, on this thursday morning. i'm jenna lee. >> i'm jon scott, we're in the fox newsroom, outrage growing over the verdict in the first ever civilian trial of a gitmo detainee and the jury convicted ahmed ghailani of one count, out of more than 280 charges against him, in the deadly u.s. embassy attack in africa. >> despite the acquittals, the

justice department says it is pleased he'll face up to life in prison, a stiffer sentence than military tribunals, recently, handed down, catherine heritage is joining us from washington and what does the verdict mean for other gitmo cases. >> reporter: jenna, ahmed ghailani is one of the 14 high value detainees held at guantanamo bay and his case was considered by people for and against the commissions, and they want -- one of the easiest cases to prosecute for a couple of reasons, first and foremost his case was based on evidence that was gathered before 9/11, and, it was evidence that was gathered at the blast site in kenya and tanzania after the embassies were hit there and the blast sites were preserved, if you will as traditional crime scenes, and, the fbi, was active at those scenes, gathering evidence. and, the case is based on the tr pre-9/11 evidence and unlike khalid sheikh mohammed, he was not subjected to water boarding, in the cia enhanced

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. >> reporter: as we saw in the ahmed khalfan ghailani case some evidence came out of the cia interrogation program was excluded and people will argue that ahmed khalfan ghailani was not convicted on more of the counts as a result. jenna: thank you very much. jon: for more on the ahmed khalfan ghailani verdict and what it could mean for trying other gitmo detainees we are joined by congressman pete hookstra. congressman i know you are steamed at the result of this trial. >> i really many, it's an embarrassment to the best court system anjou digs alsystem in the world. what we asked our judicial system to do is something that it was not set up to do, and that is to try war criminals through the civilian court process.

it was an inappropriate use of the system and it failed. this guy should have been proven guilty on all of these counts. it was the wrong venue for this kind of trial. jon: the attorney general has yet to announce his decision about where future trials will be held. should this change his attitude going forward? >> i sure hope so. the exclusion of certain evidence in this trial, you can only imagine what will happen in future trials where people did go through enhanced interrogation, where some people may have gone through waterboarding. it's clear all of that evidence will be thrown out. it will make it much more difficult to convict these people if we throw them through civilian trial. it is not where these kinds of cases should be tried. the attorney general, i hope, will make the decision to do future trials of gitmo detainees, folks associated in this war on terrorism, that he will try these cases in military tribunals. jon: folks at the justice

department and the white house as you well no say hey even on one conviction he faces a minimum of 20 year sentence and we are going to ask for life, that is justice. >> tell that to the more than 200 families who lost loved ones in those two horrific embassy bombings in africa. i don't believe any those families believed true justice was served twh this guy was convicted not of murdering fair family members which is what he was a part of, but that he was convicted of destroying government property. it's an embarrassment. jon: again, the point that the administration is suggesting is that the military tribunals have not exactly gone according to plan either, and maybe given what has been done to some of these detainees this is the best you can hope for. >> now the bottom line here, we are engaged in a war.

the administration maybe doesn't want to recognize it and they continue going through what i saw lawfare. continuing dealing with the threat as criminal activities and use that to thwart our enemies. we are at car we have a three-front row, the afghan pack front. al-qaida in the arabian pennsylvania and homegrown terrorism. if we continue to treat these as criminal activities, mirandizing people on the battle field, not interrogating, we are letting down our defenses and we make america more vulnerable to future attacks at a time when america is very, very vulnerable these people want to attack us. we are less than ten months away from the 10th anniversary of 9/11. do we really think that al-qaida is going to take it easy over the next ten months? they will intensify their activities, we have seen it over the last six to nine months, an increase in their activities. we have to do everything we can

to keep american safe and recognizing the threat the obama administration and this justice department is coming up woefully short on doing this. jon: pete hoekstra, thank you. jenna: business news for you now, new weekly jobless claims just out moments ago. the number of americans filing for first time unemployment benefits up slightly from the previous week. you can see on your screen 439,000 people filed for unemployment, an increase of about 2,000 over the previous week. the good news there is that claims are near the lowest level we've seen in about two years. many economists say claims need to fall further to bring down unemployment. also moving onto another big business story, we're watching gm shaoeurs today as the company is trading publicly once again, since they went bankrupt. shares of the autogiant bailed out with your money up sharply as you can see bringing the rest of the market up with it. this could be one of the biggest public offerings in history.

will there be a deaf tkepbd for taxpayers. can you get shares if you want them? do you have any questions about that? send your questions by getting onto our live chat. the link is on the foxnews.com home page. we look forward to chatting with you. just when we thought this story could not get any sadder, the father of zahra baker, that little north carolina girl is now denying he killed his daughter. harris it gets much worse than that, tough to even talk about. >> reporter: here is the deal that is breaking right now trying to figure out if adam baker and his wife the step-mom of young zahra baker are going to show up in court in just a little while. they are due, jenna on charges unrelated having to do with bouncing checks in their home state of north carolina. they could appear in a district court this morning and if they do this will be one of the first times that people have seen them together since little zahra went

missing. police found her dismembered body, remains in two different cities. the father, adam baker telling a local tv station that he had nothing to do with her death or what happened after her death. why speak up now you may ask? because his wife, according to her attorneys has said in a statement for the court that adam baker did terrible, horrible things with his daughter after her death. will that play out in a courtroom? we don't know yet, because there are no charges that have been filed with relation to the death and dismemberment and disappearance of young zahra baker. she would have been 11 years old yesterday. people coming out for her birthday saying she was a cheerful, brave child dispute losing her leg and hearing due to cancer. she deserved a better life. i'll stay on it and tell you if they show up in court. back to you, jenna. jenna: thank you. jon: as you know new york congressman charlie rangel who faced an ethics committee

investigation in the house of representatives was convicted on most of the charges lodged against him. he is railing now about the media and the treatment he got there from. let's take a listen. >> it was corrupt. some of the local newspapers, and i want to make it abundantly clear that no matter how many mistakes i made and how apologetic i am the question was asked of counsel, was there evidence of corruption, and when he responded there was no evidence of corruption or selfenrichment and that i was overzealous and sloppy. these are not things to be proud of, but it certainly differs from the newspapers back home that still report inaccurate information that was not founded on any facts by the

investigatory committee. >> you would disagree with them calling you corrupt? jon: charlie rangel the harlem new york democrat who has served 30 years in the house convicted on ethics charges by his fellow members of the house. we could also hear the congressman's punishment next hour on those ethics violation charges. we saw the h1n1 epidemic claim thousands of lives last year, but could there be new flu fears on the horizon? officials identifying the first case of bird flu in seven years. also, a deadly war too close to home, a look at the behind of scenes battle against mexican drawing violence. >> to hear these pilots talk about their tactical strike

teams, they could be in baghdad right now. they are literally fighting a war down here on the southwest border. one combined serving of vegetables and fruit with the goodness of green tea and powerful antioxidants. refreshingly good.

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jon: some dramatic video crossing our international desk. violence in the streets of mad todaofmadagaskar. military officers staging a revolt, sparking riots in the process, this after the country. patti annpassed a referendum toa cue leader in power. he took over last year and he says the army is still loyal to him despite the protests. jenna: in hong kong the government raised -d bird flu alert to serious. there is a risk of contracting that disease within that territory. this is after the government confirm the first cases of the cyrus in seven years.

they are testing birds on the street for signs of the disease. bird flu first struck hong kong in 1997. several people died. there have been morey sent cases of it as well. jon: political fighting takes on a whole new meaning in argentina. a lawmaker slaps her colleague in the face over a disagreement with the budget. she declined to reveal what made her so angry. under congressional rules he could file a complaint that could lead to sanctions so, stay tuned. jenna: that's one way to handle things, right. jon: not the best way. jenna: we don't do that in our meetings, jon. jon: not usually. jenna: a war is going on right now here in the united states to stop mexican drug violence. it's happening in all the border states, including texas, where just across the border, get this, the murder indicate is rae that of baghdad.

we are live with more. >> reporter: if you doubt this is a war just look at the numbers. just across the border here in mexico 9,000 people were killed in cartel drug-related deaths last year. 1800 were billed in the afghan war. look at the insurgency techniques that they are using, the tactics they are using and look at how the texas department of public safety is trying to counter the insurgency. the cartels cross the border with ak-47's on their backs wearing military camouflage. the texas department of public safety is launching a counterinsurgencies. >> there is a lot of technology in this system. we have an ir designator right here, a thermal imaging camera. without this equipment we are dead in the water. >> reporter: to hear them talk they could be in kabul or

baghdad. they send the intel they gather to austin, to a military center. >> we've got six areas of operation. there are 12 ports of entry, legal ways to get into texas. >> reporter: at the intel fusion center a former fbi prosecutor runs the war. >> these are the deaths of u.s. citizens. >> reporter: there is added pressure on the cartels, the drug runners are employing new techniques. it's known as a splash down. when the heat is on they try to make it back into mexico with the drugs, often in broad daylight and because the texas law authority authority ends at the border, here at the river they have time to put on life jackets. where we are standing right now it's one of the most popular places for that splash down you just saw. just behind me last week one of those vehicles laden with drugs came right back into the river and just across the border of mexico the scouts came out and

they tkpwrobd the drugs and moved right back across the river. jenna: unbelievable story. jennifer griffin, thank you very much. jon: a dramatic jewelry heist caught on surveillance video. robbers swarm the store pushing shoppers aside. police are searching for the suspects . they think the same people could have robbed another store in the same way. also gm going public in what may be the largest initial public offering ever. so what does it mean for you? we'll go into the board room, members will answer your questions. get them into us. this is the aarp...

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jon: "happening now" in california, police are trying to figure out if a smash and grab crew struck again.

three suspects were rounded up after an attack at a jewelry mart in glendale. the surveillance video shows shoppers moving aside as the suspects burst into the store and start smashing glass cases with hammers. witnesses say one of the suspects had a handgun. this incident occurring just two days before another robbery at a jewelry store in pasadena, similar circumstances. no word on how much was stolen in either incident, and today police say they have not recovered any of the stolen items. jenna: a major milestone right now for one of your biggest investments during the financial crisis, gm, general motors. shares of that company are trading right now. it's the first time since the company filed for bankruptcy and got that bail out. it may actually be the largest public offering ever of a company's stock. the move does shrink the government's owner shin o shrine ownership by the government.

what did you get for your money. let's ask our panel. all right, guys, a lot of questions coming in from our viewers on our live chat right now. the first one coming from robert miller. charles, maybe you can steak a stab at this one. robert wants to know, why sell now? why does it seem like the right time for gm to start going public again. >> that is a fantastic question. a lot of people believe it has a lot to do with politics, you put it out there now, you say listen, we were very successful with this, bail outs worked. by the way on that topic we need to bail out a few other entities, like california, michigan, illinois, maybe a few other companies. certainly the timing on this is pretty odd, a lot of people believe they could have got even a lot more bang for their buck

if they waited another year or two. jenna: you see big signs at the new york stock exchange where the stock is changing. matt darrell has this question. when mr. gm pay back the government once want for all? what's the answer to ta one. >> i think that's the answer everybody wants to know. the reality is we are not going to get paid back for a very longtime. i mean years if ever. the thing with gm there are still are a lot of problems. the united autoworkers union is still very powerful and very costly to general motors. i still think the product line is not the greatest, still too many dealerships. i'm not a big fan of gm, and i don't think the taxpayers ever get paid back. i think charles is right, this is a political move, five years from now gm could be right back in and they were in two years ago. jenna: a lot of questions about bail outs to go. suzie wants to know because

there is so much fanfare of offering gm stock will obama or any administration use gm as an example to convince the public that other bail outs work? >> she is so smart. this is the moral hazard for doing something like this. not only did we have to dump $50 billion into this country and it's going to take quite a hefty price increase for us to get our money back. we wiped out all the existing shareholders. the bond holders were told you have to take stock and warrants or you're out of here and this company still has $29 billion of pension liabilities. you have g ph-rbs -- mt. was on the right tack there, gm has taken over some of the delphi contracts and you have a lot of dissatisfaction with these unions that already put a company in bankruptcy, not wanting to have any more give backs. the ua gave back 1.2 to $1.3 billion a year in concessions and we are talking

about megabillions for everybody else. it's a long term problem and a moral hazard. jenna: matt, we were showing some of the new product line from general motors. another question coming in, looking at such a big stock price, a lot of money going into the stock right now, he wants to know what happens when the stock price falls. what happens to gm. >> that's a good question. unfortunately for the shareholders out there right now the stock price will fall and so goes the market cap of this company. it's only worth so much. and really at the end of the day what that means is the u.s. taxpayers, you and i, jenna, are not going to be paid back because as this value falls who is going to be there to prop that up? is the government going to step back in and try to prop the stock up? what happens when the government wants to dump the shares they own. we still own 33% of the company. i'm a bit curious why everybody is so robust and dropping into the stock right now. jenna: getting back to what we're owed as consumers since they were using taxpayer money

with this company. chaz wants to know does gm own all -- oh all of us a big discount when we buy one of their cars. >> if they owe it to us we are not going to get it. chaz and everybody else didn't have a chance to by. if he had an act at charles schwab or any discount tpeufrpls you could to the get a piece of this although they took your paycheck and they propped this company up with your check. here is the deal, we break even on it. we break even, the taxpayer at $53. that means the people who did get to buy the inside stock, including chinese investors they will be up 60%. yeah we should at least get a discount. jenna: we'll see what happens. maybe there is another ad campaign coming our way in the future. >> it better be good. jenna: charles, path and matt thank you so much for being our board. we appreciate it. next time we should offer you

lunch. we will figure that out. jon: i saw in some of that footage a yellow corvette, you'd look good if you walked in and said, where is my piece of the company. you might have seen some of the old duck and cover nuclear drills from the 50s. maybe you remember them. they seem kind of quaint now, maybe even a little bit funny. the u.s.-russian nuclear treaty that is now in question is a very serious matter. we'll get a live report what is at stake. and senator orin hatch with his thoughts next. he was convicted of man law slaughter in the death of his wife while scuba diving on his honeymoon in australia. dave watson released last week, but authorities want him to face justice in the united states. harris faulkner is alternate the news desk with brand-new details. the world's first 100% custom, invisible, digital, and fully programmable hearing aid, loaded with today's most advanced hearing technologies, including our new soisticated noise reduction system.

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jon: "happening now" an alabama man convicted of killing his wife while in australia is being extradited to the u.s. to face charges here. harris has the breaking news. >> reporter: his name is david gabe watson. he and his wife christina were on a diving trip. he was experienced, she was new at the game. they were under waots and a core nor offered up his opinion saying the wife likely died from being held underwater and her air supply was cut off. watson is facing coming back to the united states.

i'm told that the immigration officials had to assure the australian government that if watson came back to face prosecution here for the death of his wife that he won't be put to death if he were found guilty. he's already done 18 months in prison for manslaughter in as you stale yeah and they are now releasing him to immigration authorities and he's already been taken into custody. i'm going to quote from an immigration official who says for operational reasons the department does not discuss the timing of the removal except to say that he will be removed from that country and returned to the u.s. as soon as possible. we don't have a date or time certain on when watson is due back. we have been assured he's coming back to face charges in the murder of 26-year-old christina watson. we'll watch this one closely, back to you. jon: harris, thank you. jenna: another big story today, one of the republican senators that is not really sold on this new nuclear arms treaty that we've been talking so much about, the start treaty is senator orin hatch of utah. he joins us live from capitol

hill. senator hatch, just to start things out i'm going to tell our audience a little bit about this start treaty that is supposed to reduce the nuclear arms on both sides not only russia but in the united states. what is your take on this treaty overall? >> i'm still studying it. i haven't made up my mind on it yet. i am concerned about a number of things about not being able to fully checkup on and verify matters with regards to their particular lines of weapons. some of the peletry problems bother me quite a bit. there are other aspects about it that i'm very concerned about. i do hope that we can find a treaty that we can do between the two countries because it would be a good thing but i'm worried about this treaty. for instance there is a real question whether we can do defense of the united states approaches -- certain defense approaches under this treaty. i'm going to have to have those

types of things resolved before i can vote for it. jenna: the president came out moments ago at the top of the hour and made a statement about the start treaty and he says it's not about politics but national security. just in broad strokes for those of us who are not so in-depth on the specifics of this treat taoefplt is it your believe that this treaty will make us more safe or more vulnerable as a country. >> some think it's going to make us more vulnerable because it doesn't cover very important aspects. at least one aspect of it prevents us being able to have defense mechanisms. it's just a matter of real concern. i've got to really study it more to be able to be up on it as well as i should, but i'm concerned about some of the verification provisions, some of the pa hrep palemetry provision. i come it from the point of wanting to support a good

relationship between russia and the united states. jenna: do you trust russia. >> i don't trust anybody outside of our country fully. it's like reagan said, you can trust but verify, and i think we've got to verify that these thins will work in our best interest and not just because the people on the left want to have a treaty. jenna: well, senator let's leave this topic just behind for a second. as we're talking about national security i want to get your take on the results here of the ahmed khalfan ghailani trial. they came out and said they are pleased with the results in a civilian court. the question for you as a senator here and also part of the senate finance committee, a high-ranking senator, where does the justice department go from here? where do you think is the right path moving forward as we take a look at these other gitmo detainees? >> if this case doesn't make our case that these cases should be tried in guantanamo.

this is a guy with literally all the evidence in the world participated in killing a lot of people. and frankly it just shows the hazards are trying these cases in civilian courts in this country. keep in mind he was not water boarded, he was not -- it will be ten times harder to try a case against khalid sheikh mohammed in a civilian trial than it would be in a military commission trial. i might add constitutional provisions are there in military settings. you don't have to get into classified information, you don't have to allow the same amount of discovery, you do not have to put up with a jury that might not be paying attention, or might just feel sorry for somebody. i mean you literally can try the case on the merits, on the facts and then make decisions that

basically will be in the best interests of our country. that is a perfect i wil illustrn of how you out of the ordinary this justice department is. i understand why they believe civilian trials are good, i mean that is a nice liberal point of view, but in these cases they are not good. in these cases it would be far better to have a military tribunal with all the constitutional protections that military tribunals are forced to comply with, but it's a much easier way of bringing the case, presenting the facts, establishing the case and of course bringing justice to these people who have been responsible for willing, you know, thousands of americans. jenna: all right, senator hatch we appreciate it. again senator orrin hatch, the republican from utah. thank you so much, sir. >> nice to be with you. jon: steven slater, remember this guy, the jetblue flight attendant who cursed out passengers and opened the

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jon: now to the showdown over the pat-down and a growing backlash over intrusive airport screening. the transportation security chief says the pat-downs are here tho say. travelers none too happy. one man even arrested for punching a tsa officer in chest after passing through a body imaging machine at an airport in indianapolis. how does our enhanced security stack up to el-al. joining us now the former head

of skwraourt for el-al airlines. when you watch what the tsa is doing in this country, what is your reaction. >> i'm very upset. i disagree with them. it's about time that we will learn that in this country we have to be proactive and not reactive. if he we take the history of what happened to this country, since pan am over lockerbie, september 11th, shoe bomber, nigerian guy and the last in yemen, what we do? we react. why we cannot be proactive. why they didn't check that this printers that came from yemen, suddenly yemen became the biggest factory in the world to export to the united states? jon: let's focus on the pat-downs because that's what has everybody so angry right now, or so it would seem. that came from the underwear bomber. he had the explosive season in his underwear.

the authorities say, hey we've got to do this if you're going to detect somebody like that. >> concentrate on the suspicious passengers, and do whatever you need to do from a to z to make sure if they carey explosives or not. don't go randomly to decide that the pilots now became the target, and they became suspicious, they fly millions of passengers and they are our terrorists? put your effort to look how you can put your hands on the real terrorists, and stop bothering people. why i have to search your body? what you did? 99% of the passengers are bonafide. i'm looking for the one. jon: if a pilot wants to take down an airliner saul all he has to do is sneeze on final. what they do at el-al and i've been through the procedure, you ask people questions basically. >> we interview every

passengers. we don't know if he is from the united states, from japan, whatever he is. we interview everyone. we know before they come we have the list of the passengers. we match the list to a criminal suspicious list that we have and we try to match it. if one of the passengers are in this list we sproeus him, he cannot surprise us. number two, when we interview innocent people, and most of the passengers are bonafide it takes two or three minutes, and we do not cause any delay, like in this country they are afraid that because el-al is small and we are big it's impossible to do it. we have 400 airports around the country. i wrote to the tsa, i wrote to the congress, take one airport and try to implement our system, tell me if it's possible or not. jon: it will be interesting to see what reaction you get. former head of security at

el-al. thank you very much. jenna: remember that former flight attendant steven slater who slid his way down an emergency shoot after a profanity-laced tirade targeting passengers? jetblue canned him. now he's landed a brand-new job as a rapper, for real, check it out. >> my name is steven later and i'm no longer blue. now don't be a hater because you new flew. 500,000 miles in ability tin can, maintaining forced smiles for the unplans of man. a squeezer trunk squeezes into the overhead compartment if there were room for that crap i'd make it my apartment. my legal fees are paid by the d aorbgs tcom buys. jenna: that song is a pitch for a text club, the contest asks passengers to text the most

outrageous things they've seen or done on a plane. slater has been hired as a judge for that. the grand prize is a $500 shopping spree and you can have lunch with slater. jon: why is he dressed like darth schrader? the thing he did on an airplane is about the most outrageous thing i've heard. i wonder if it will win the contest. jenna: we'll see. what really looks like two separate military plane crashess. harris has the story from the breaking news desk. a different story when it comes to the business world, harry potter is at it again, the latest installment of the multibillion-dollar franchise out tonight, how it's already leaving major box office hits in the dust.

>> why do you live? >> because i have something worth living for. >> don't kill him. jenna: tough economic times but no sign of money troubles at hog wart's academy. "harry potter and the deathly hallows: part 1" comes out midnight tonight in theaters. the 7th installment of the franchise and it's sure to rake in millions and millions of dollars. dennis neal watches the media spheres. how big is this fran size really. >> the leak of the first 36 minutes of the film onto download sites, warner, i talked to them today, we didn't do

this, we didn't mean to do it. we're going to investigate. it's opening tonight at midnight on 4,000 screens. it's a record for a midnight opening. it's going to be on 240imax screens and it's going to rake in hundreds of millions of dollars. if it were a country it would be somewhere around 104 on a list of 200 nations. jenna: 104? >> a billion of dollars of that would flow into warner bros. itself. in the film itself you have 5.6 billion for six films. a final film coming out in july. toys and merchandise 7 billion. all told harry potter kicks james bond's butt and kills darth schrader. it has grossed more than the six star wars films and the james bonds film.

harry potter will be the all time king. avatar with the sequels coming out might come close. jenna: it is the top movie franchise. >> the biggest of all time. jenna: are you going to see the movie. >> i'm not going to see the movie. it's awfully dark. my five-year-old was terrified. i tried to watch it alone. i don't get it, i don't understand it and i'm just a muggle. jenna: when we were talking about the story we noticed and interesting resemblance. let's go ahead and show our viewers. we said dennis neal is going to cover this story. i don't know if it's the glasses. >> you didn't say i looked like that other guy that he was choking, the billy idol by with the no face. jenna: dennis neal one of the

newest editions to fox business. thanks so much. jon: harry potter he's not. we are awaiting word on congressman's charlie rangel punishment. found guilty on eleven house ethics violation charges. we will have the latest from capitol hill. he's issuing a bit of a apology today. the point is to keep us safe. we just spoke to the former head of security at el-al airlines which is among the critics of the new tsa airport screening procedures. we will ask a woman who lost her son in the september 11th attacks what she thinks of these controversial pat-downs. cope fr. new fixodent plus scope ingredients. cleans and kills germs that cause odors to your dentures. new fixodent cleanser plus scope ingredients. or annuity over 10 or even 20 years? call imperial structured settlements.

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convicted him the other day. the question is, what happens to him now? he is about to find out in this hearing room on capitol hill. jenna: let's go ahead and listen to the congressman as he makes, we believe, a statement. we'll take a little of that. what he does faces is a couple different options, there is expulsion, which is unlikely but a possibility, censure, which is a bit tougher than a reprimand and what that would require him to do is stand before the house's -- some of the charges against him are stated in front of the entire house of representatives. james rosen is with us, he is live in washington, as we see how this plays out, james. >> reporter: yeah, jenna, good afternoon. you're looking at a live picture of room 1310 in the house's longworth office building where congressman rangel has arrived for what is akin to a sentencing hearing today. he is not accompanied by

counsel. he essentially ran out of money about a month ago, to continue paying a lawyer he had been advising in this case, he racked up about # .6 million in legal bills, then his lawyers withdrew after he could no longer afford them, and it was the question of a potential conflict of interest to advise him pro bono, so that is why he unaccompanied by counsel today. what you'll see are the eight members of the house ethics committee, gathering together, four democrats, four republicans, one african-american among them, by the way, to make a decision about the punishment that should be meted out to congressman rangel. it's important to note that congressman rangel has never essentially contested the charges against him, he has confessed the lapses, the sloppiness and he has been addressed by the chief prosecutor in which he

stated that he found no evidence of corruption on the part of congressman rangel, over overzealousness and sloppiness. to remind viewers, earlier this week the ethics panel found that congressman rangel violated house rules, 11 counts. that included his failure to report income from a villa he owned in the dominican republic, his use of official citiesery to solicit funds for a center named in his honor, his use of a rent-controlled apartment as a campaign office, and as a result of all the foregoing, conduct unbecoming of a member of the house. today, the punishment that could be voted on by the full ethics committee, then recommended for a vote to the full house of representatives, will range anywhere from censure to reprimand to expulsion from the house, that last option is seen as unlikely. once again, because the chief counsel in the case has himself found no evidence of actual corruption. so we're expecting a relate mand, a likely vote, and that will be perhaps

accompanied by some kind of apology from congressman rangel himself, jenna. jenna: james, we're going to continue to watch this, and bring our viewers up to date as we hear what the eventual outcome of this trial is, and we'll be back with james rosen as the story develops. thanks james. >> thank you. jon: one week to thanksgiving, republicans are ready to talk turkey about tax cuts, they say, but democrats are willing to wait, using the lame duck session to play a bit of a game of chicken, and there's no deal in sight as the deadline looms closer. our chief political correspondent carl cameron is live on capitol hill. so now that republicans are ready to talk, what can we expect to hear from democrats, or from the white house, carl? >> reporter: well, we hope to hear from senate democrats in a few hours. the democratic leadership has just wrapped up its meeting down at the white house with the obama administration trying to get some cues from them as to what they think the president will do as the final negotiation comes out on this extension of the bush-era tax cuts. billions and billions of

dollars of taxes will snap up on january 1st, unless these tax cuts are extended, and the administration and democratic leaders on capitol hill have said for months that what they would like to do is only extend tax cuts for the middle class and tax cuts for people making over a quarter of a million dollars they would like to expire, which would mean a huge jump in their tax burdens. republicans having won the 2010 elections in this economy make the argument that any kind of a tax increase would be devastating and they're simply not going to budge and have said that repeatedly. the question is where can the compromise be andon capitol hill have been eager to get a sounding from the administration to find out what the president is going to do. we don't know what the democrats and the president have talked about yet but there be a meeting with senate democrats here at the capitol and after that we expect to hear from harry reid with clear signals as to what they plan to do. they want to extend some if not all of the pw-rb tax cuts, at the second half of the lame duck session, which

means take thanksgiving off, go home, sound it out with constituents and come back and try to jam it out next week or the week after that, jon. the agenda is jammed, there's very little time and there's another imperative, lawmakers have to pass a continuing resolution to keep the government open because as it stands now, on december 3rd all the federal funding for operations expires unless they act on that. it's an incredibly full agenda. jon: sure sounds like it. carl, in the u.s. capitol building, thank you. jenna: we have breaking news on potentially one of the biggest murder mysteries we have covered really in the last several years, involving natalee holloway. we told you earlier this week that some human remains, a jawbone, was found on a beach in aruba. and now we're hearing the first report, the first report that says this bone found in aruba is that of a young woman. harris, we don't know yet if that's natalie, right? >> reporter: no, i'm really scrambling here. you know jenna, i spent more

than a month on that island when the story first broke so i have a number of contacts who are still there, and the police department, but an aruban prosecutor is saying today this jawbone that was found is only that of a woman, and not to jump yet to any khragss -- conclusions, but of course everybody's mind rests with natalee holloway, the 18-year-old teenager from alabama and the story is being broken in local news in montgomery, alabama, that's where she was, she was, m she was on a high school graduation trip, it was the last night of that trip when she vanished. remember, they arrested a couple of teenagers, the local calpo brothers on the island and a man we've come to know, joran van der sloot. joran van der sloot is in prison elsewhere in the world, having to do with a whole other case but it's never been solved with natalee holloway, they've searched the island, the waters, everything they said, they said -- they could, they said, and the finding of this skwrae bonoo

this jawbone, but pointing that there's no connection, it's not official. this is breaking news. as i can find out any information about this, i'll bring it to you. i'm all over it. jenna: we'll give you a second to work some of your sources. as harris mentioned, she's been in aruba, she's talked -- aruba, she's talked to the holloway family before. she'll continue working on that. joining us is dr. michael bodden, a forensic psychologist, and we talked about what would happen with this jawbone and we're hearing reports that now that we know that it's a jawbone that belongs to a young woman we have to do the dna test to go figure out who is that young man. how long will that take? >> the actual dna should take only a week or two, longer than in the fresh dna, but still, within a week or two, they could have some answers, and we have to be careful because although it sounds like it's a jawbone from a female, they say a young female, jawbones

are hard to diagnose, and sometimes they are wrong and the dna will, of course, resolve all that, but if the jawbone of when -- but it's the jawbone of somebody, and whof it is should be identified and if it is a jawbone of a young female, certainly the possibility that it belongs to natalie becomes much more real than just if it could have been anybody, male or female. jon: dr. baden, it's jon scott, excuse my interruption but there have been so many ups and downs in this case. >> that's right. jon: for natalie's poor family. you have to feel for them, at what could be, you know, a false alarm, but it certainly sounds -- i mean, you were here the other day with us and said how many people have gone missing on aruba. it's not that large an island. and to find the jawbone of a young woman on a beach, and apparently near a spot that

was searched fairly heavily, a swamp there on the island, where authorities had some reason to believe that her body may have been buried, it starts sounding awfully compelling. >> oh, jon, when we spoke the other day, i sort of said it was a long shot. now it's become a short shot. it's much more likely with this information, the new information, that it was just -- than it was just finding a jawbone, but there has to be a complete discovery in that area where the bone was found because this is a jawbone that's -- probably other bones are in that area. jon: you said the other day, too, there are new tests available of the bone marrow specifically in the jaw that could indicate whether or not natalie or whoever this person that the jaw belongs to was the victim of a date rape drug. >> yes. what's interesting, this new stuff, just this past few

months, that the medical services has done a lot of work on in pennsylvania, utilizes whatever is the root canal, the tooth, the tooth -- it stays much longer than any other bone in tact and the root canal, even after five years in the ground, could still show evidence of any drugs that were taken just before a person dice. if it comes out of water, the water can interfere with that more than drying it. jon: dr. michael baden, thank you. we're going to have to say goodbye doctor, thank you for your expertise. if you're just joining us, once again, a jawbone found the other day on a beach in aruba has been identified as belonging to a young woman. no positive confirmation yet, though, as to whether or not it is that of natalee holloway. jenna. jenna: fox news alert, jon, we're going to take you back to d.c. where we're hearing from congressman charlie rangel as he learns his fate from the ethics committee. >> representative rangel and

committee council to share their views with the members of committee as to what sanctions would be appropriate in this matter, if any. as we begin, it is important to bear in mind that the purpose of the ethics process is not punishment, but accountability and credibility. accountability for the respondents and credibility for the house itself. when a member has been found by his colleagues to have violated our ethical standards, that member must be held accountable for the conduct. but it is perhaps equally important that the outcome demonstrates the credibility of the house of representatives. by investigating credible allegations of misconduct and sanctioned conduct that has approach to violate that standard, we maintain the integrity of the house and trust of the public and this institution. the committee may recommend a range of sanctions. our rules provide general guidelines to follow in recommending a sanction, for example, a letter of

reproval may be issued on its own initiatives, other sanctions require action by the full house, among these, our rules indicate that reprimand is appropriate for serious violations, censure is appropriate for more serious violations, and expulsion is appropriate for the most serious violations. further, both the committee and the house itself are guided by the precedence of the house, for example, the house has in its history expelled only five members, five for disloyalty to the union during the civil war, and two, after they were convicted of felonies. our rules are clear, that findings of violations alone should not be the basis for recommending a sanction, instead, we are required to provide both a respondent and committee council with on opportunity to share their views about disciplinary action. in reaching our decision it is imperative that we act in a fair and even-handed manner. i note that today's hearing is open to the public, and

although our deliberations will take place in executive session, our colleagues and the public will have the opportunity to hear the views of the parties regarding on appropriate sanction at this hearing. both representative rangel and committee counsel have previously been advised the guidelines to this hearing and as with any other phase of this process, respondents may cease to weigh this procedural step as he chooses. he is not required to be here or to address the committee. representative rangel has chosen to be here today and he has the right to share his views on the appropriate sanctions with us, and should he wish to do so, we will hear him out or his representative, and take his opinion into consideration in our deliberation. the parties will each be allowed 30 minutes to present their views to the committee, although they are not required to do so, they may submit written briefs to the committee -- for the committee's consideration

and if they do so, those findings will be included in the record. as a general rule, witnesses are not permitted in this phase, however, witness testimony may be allowed by a majority vote of the committee. either party -- neither party has to this point filed a request for witness testimony. after we've heard from the parties, members will be permitted under the five minute rule to ask any questions they may have following the presentation. we will then journ to executive session, where we will deliberate and by majority vote, decide what disciplinary action to recommend. our decision will be announced publicly and the basis for our conclusions will also be explained in a public report to the house of representatives. with that i would ask my colleagues, the ranking member joe bonner if he would like to make openings statements.

phr*plt bonner. >> thank you madam chair for the opportunity to say a few words. we're nearing the end of what has been a long, difficult and unpleasant task. and let me speak for just a moment about what makes this so unpleasant. i know for a fact that many newly elected members of congress on both sides of the aisle have been welcomed to capitol hill by this bigger than life, scraggly voice of charlie rangel who had put his hand on their shoulder and say welcome to capitol hill, so before i go any further, i would first like to thank you, madam chair, thank you member mccall, and all of the members of the judicial subcommittee for the work that you completed earlier this week. a special thanks -- release in order for the entire committee staff, as well as

those who were involved in the investigative phase of this matter which regrettably but unavoidably lasted for almost two years. individually and collectively, we have shown what the chairwoman stated on tuesday was our moral obligation, to act with fairness, led only by the facts and the law, as we attempt to discharge our duties. as most everyone in this room knows, the work of this committee is often mundane and almost always done out of sight. we give advice and education to members of congress and their staff so that they can know what they can and can't do to be in compliance with the rules of the house. we look into matters that have come to our attention to see whether or not a member has crossed in any inappropriate line, and as

the american people have witnessed this week, and in recent months as these rare but not unprecedented public proceedings have occurred, we have once again demonstrated that your elected representatives can deal with an obviously uncomfortable but absolutely necessary charge that comes from the constitution itself, which requires that each house of congress maintains the responsibility to punish its members from breaking the rules of the house or the laws of our land. for disorderly behavior and for bringing discredit to this, the peoples' house. as an aside, i found it especially eye ironic and trouble -- ironic and troublesome that on the day that the newly elected members of the 1122nd members of congress were living in washington for their freshman orientation, in another room just a few

steps away was a man who once wielded one of the most powerful gavels in town and at one time was one of our most highly regarded colleagues. and yes, he was showing so little -- yet he was showing so little regard or respect either for the institution that he has claimed to love or for the people of his district in new york that he has claimed so -- claimed to so proudly represent. i don't speak for mr. rangel's constituents, they have elected him, four times, and many -- more than many members of congress have been alive but while mr. rangel has tried to claim the unfairness of what has happened to him, in my mind the most unfair thing of all was that his constituents were denied an opportunity to know the findings of fact as determined by eight of his

colleagues, four republicans, and four democrats, before they, the voters in the 15th district of new york, had an opportunity to choose their representative earlier this year. this process could have and should have been concluded earlier, and as such, it is my view that the committee failed the people of harlem and the 15th district of new york for this reason alone. before he marched out of the hearing on monday, but even after the subcommittee's conviction by clear and convincing evidence on tuesday, mr. rangel stated that this panel should now take into account his entire 40 years of service to the congress, as well as his military record. let me be clear. his distinguished military service is not up for debate, nor is it a relevant part in my view of this deliberation. for when the american people bestow upon us the privilege

of being their representative, it is both a matter of tradition and protocol that the position also carries with it the title of honorable. sadly, madam chair, it is my unwavering view that the actions, decisions and behavior of our colleague from new york can no longer reflect this honor or integrity. as i noted earlier, i can't speak for the people in mr. rangel's district. but i do know this. for the tenants who qualify for rent-stabilized apartment in new york or any american city but couldn't get one because a powerful man had four, there's something wrong with that. for the small business woman who didn't pay her taxes for 17 years and has the irs breathing down her back, i can only imagine how she would have liked to have had

the chance to help write the tax code of this country and make it less burdensome and switchler for everyone else. and for the still relatively new members of congress, from california, who just a couple years ago questioned whether or not it was appropriate to be building a monument to me, i will never forget the arrogance of the response, i was on the floor that day, i would have a problem if you did it, mr. rangel said to mr. campbell on the house floor on july 19th, 2007, because i don't think you've been around long enough to have your name on something to inspire a building like this. madam chair, it is painful for me to say this, to a man i personally respect. but mr. rangel can no longer blame anyone other than himself for the position he now finds himself in. not this committee, not his

staff or family, not the accountants or lawyers, not the press. mr. rangel should only look into the mirror if he wants to know who to blame. well, i'm not an attorney, as most of the members of this committee are, as well as the respondent himself. i know and i believe we all know that it should not take either a law degree or a legal dictionary to tell us the difference between right and wrong. it is now up to each one of us to determine the appropriate measure of punishment for the discredit mr. rangel has brought to this house. and i thank the chairwoman for this opportunity to offer a few heartfelt observations and yield back my time. >> the gentleman's time has expired. >> madam chair? i have an opening statement that i hadn't intended to deliver, and as ranking member of the subcommittee that brought this forward, i would simply ask that this

be entered into the record. >> the gentleman asks for consent his statement be submitted into the record and without objection, it is so entered, and i would note that other members of the committee who would like to submit opening statements will have five legislative days to do so. with that, i now would ask mr. cism to make his presentation on the issue of sanctions to the committee. you will have 30 minutes to make that presentation, beginning now. mr. chism. >> thank you madam chair. ranking member bonner, members of the committee, the house's authority to discipline its own members is explicit in the constitution. jon: some fascinating developments underway in washington right now as the house ethics committee gets ready to announce its

punishment of charles rangel, the long serving harlem democrat, 30 years in the house of representatives, who was convicted earlier this week on 11 ethics charges. what we are really waiting to hear is what congressman rangel has to say himself. he has asks for permission to address those fellow members who will sit in judgment of him. when he does make that statement we will take you back there live. in the meantime there is other news to bring you. jenna: some breaking news in the natalee holloway case involving tests on some human remains. a dna testing is right now being performed on a bone that was found in aruba, a jawbone, to see -- to see if it belongs to the alabama teenager who went missing on that island in 2005. we know the jawbone belongs to a young woman. we don't know who that young woman is. we're going to bring you more on that in just a moment.

jenna: this just n. we have breaking news potentially on the natalee holloway case involving some human remains that were found earlier this week. what we're learning from a local report in alabama, the home state of natalee holloway, is that the bone does belong to a young girl. we don't know if has natalie yet and dna testing is going to take more time but of course we're watching these developments, harris, aren't we, because everybody wants to know so we get closures in this great murder mystery. >> reporter: i'm working the phones pretty hard here. i just got off the phone with the family's attorney for the hol wee -- for the

holloway family, john q. kelly, he said, quote, we have been through this so many times, harris, we don't have a statement about this but we knew about it two days ago and we're waiting to see what this will bring as well. so they've known about this, they've gotten natalie's dental records, he says it shouldn't take too long to determine if this jawbone which he says they're being told is that of a young caucasian woman, has anything to do with natalee holloway, her disappearance, what happened with her in may of 2005. so that's according to the family's attorney that i've just gotten off the phone w as i learn more, i've got calls out to the police department in aruba, have pretty good contacts with them, so hopefully we'll hear something soon, but really, this is in the hands of those forensic specialists. her doctor, michael baden, on the program saying this could take a few days, this could take less than that. it's in their hands now. we've just got to wait and see if this is again one of those things that has come

up as evidence in the case that they just eliminate or if this really is something. the family is waiting. they don't even have a firm comment at this point. it's been so many times. back to you guys. jenna: think about the family, being through all of this for the past several years. harris, thank you very much. back to you in a moment. jon: >> i'm looking at the lay of the land, trying to figure out if it's a good discourse jon: former vice presidential candidate sarah palin, who is also a fox news crib to, there telling barbara walters she could probably beat president obama, she -bs, if she tops the ticket in 2012. let's ask bob cusack about

that. shall is -- this is the closest she's saying about being in the race. >> she would definitely ab force in the primary trying to get in and will get into the race especially with president obama's low approval ratings. if she gets about one of every three votes, with the, with the maybe a dozen other candidates, she could win this thing the problem for her is with independents. if she did win the nomination and she advanced to the face president obama, she would have to do very well among independents right now, polls show she is not popular. republican candidates thinking about getting in they're scared of her because she would certainly be one of the top three in the field. jon: and the so-called republican establishment, in washington and elsewhere is not exactly behind her, is it, do i have that right? >> that's right. a lot of rerepublicans looking at this election. we've done very well. they're are two people they the exact kind of want to

push off the stage and that is sarah palin and also michael steele at the rnc. a lot of people think that the going forward in 2012 they have a very good shot to win the white house but the establishment in washington, including karl rove, has been criticizing her. they want to push her off the stage but that will be very difficult and she can run against the gop establishment. we've seen the anti-incumbency fervor in this country earlier this month in the election. she has a lot going for her. she has to get better organized. she doesn't have a press contact. she doesn't have a hierarchy or a chief of staff. when you run for president you have to be very organize. we've seen that with mitt romney. he has a very organized machine. sarah palin is definitely a force but she has got to get organized if she will make this run. jon: the fear among the karl roves or some of the others, karl rove was not happy to see christine o'donnell get nominated with tea party support in delaware, eventually she had

enough support to win the nomination but not enough to win the general election. the fear among some of those party leaders is that the same thing could happen as you point out with sarah palin. >> it is all about winning. republicans, they want to win back the white house. they want a candidate, congressional candidates running in 2012. remember, republicans have a good shot to win back control of the senate. nominees in delaware, christine o'donnell, and ken buck in colorado, they came up short. some people say endorsements of sarah palin of o'donnell of other republicans who fell short in primaries cost the republicans control of senate. there is major friction going on in the republican party, if sarah palin gets in that whiffle only escalate. jon: those who love her love her a lot. that is for sure. >> no doubt about it. thanks, jon. jenna: fox news alert for you. now the teenager known as the barefoot bandit pleading

not guilty to some charges against him. his name is colton harris moore and known for stealing planes and then crashing them. he is 19 years old. he led authorities on a four-month, even more than that, right, jon, months and months and months of chases. jon: couple years on the lamb. jenna: that's right. first started off robbing stores. then took some planes and wound up in the island and was found there he is pleading not guilty to four charges. among them interstate transport of stolen aircraft and possession of a firearm. he pleads not guilty. we'll see what happens when he heads to court. this is big story right now. one t-shirt says it all. see it on the screen, hands off, tsa. you don't own my body. this is really growing outrage over intrusive pat-downs at airports. tsa chief john pistole defending the new procedures. balance is needed between privacy and security if we

are going to stay ahead of these terrorists. >> what i believe that reasonable people can disagree as to the balance between privacy and security. so we all agree that everybody wants to be secure on that flight where we don't necessarily agree is what is the proper balance between that security and privacy. jenna: he maps it out pretty well there. we're joined now by former tsa deputy administrator steven mchale. he is the first i should deputy administrator when it was founded in 2002. mr. mchale, the first question a lot of our viewers have, why does the tsa believe these pat-down techniques are effective? >> these are much more thorough than the earlier pat downs. they're greatly improved. there are a lot of inspections got on that the testers have been able to get weapons and things by them because they didn't pat down certain areas of the body. jenna: the is it your belief these type of pat-downs

would have prevented 9/11? >> we were looking for different kinds of weapons at 9/11. they weren't particularly looking for box cutters that is hard to say. but had we had these kinds of looks at the time there may have been some questions asked. jenna: being you started with the tsa back in 2002, obviously several years we've seen the war on terror. >> right. jenna: develop in a lot of different ways, why didn't we use the pat down techniques earlier, years ago? >> right after 9-11 we were primarily looking for weapons. we were very concerned with somebody taking over a plane. a reenactment of 9/11. we also didn't have the kinds of technology we have today. i think more importantly what's happened is the bombers have become much more sophisticated. you look at some bombs the guy in yemen is building, they're much harder to detect. they have very little metal in them, if at all. so the metal detectors don't work. you really have to look very closely. the guy put an underwear

bomber on some guy at christmastime. without this kind of pat-down or imaging technology you would never see it. jenna: one of our guests earlier pointed out in his opinion he felt that a lot of our security america sures are reactive, instead of proactive. that wee trying to compensate for things we see holes in the system only shown to us when someone gets through. in your opinion what do you think should be done to be more proactive, to prevent the next big attack you see on the horizon? >> tsa is a defensive agency and it does tend to be reactive. it also has to deal were what it has available in terms of technology and these pat-down techniques and things like that. but you've got to look at it. sa as only one part of a much bigger picture. there are a lot of plots disrupted around the world and in the united states and i think those, that's where you see the government being much more going on the offensive against these guys. jenna: that's a good point.

some of these disruptive attacks we don't know about, the public doesn't hear about. >> right. jenna: that's a good point. stephen mchale, thanks for joining us. >> sure. glad to be here. jon: it is an uncomfortable day for that gentleman you see sitting right there. that is charlie rangel, the 30-year vet ran of the house of representatives. congressman from harlem, who is about to hear what the house ethics committee plans to do after convicting him earlier this week on 11 of the 13 ethics charges that have been lobbed against him, lodged against him. we will hear congressman wrangle's punishment, we expect within the next hour. we'll take you back there live when it gets to that.y >> the supreme court has

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meltdown, the threat only to a weapon of mass destruction. senator judd gregg weighs in on the latest proposals to slash the deficit ap. can it be done and what happens if it isn't? those stories and much more at the top of the hour. jon: well the session of congress in residence right now is a lame-duck session but senate majority leader harry reid plans to push votes on a couple of controversial issues. he wants to repeal the ban on gays serving openly in the military and also vote on the d.r.e.a.m. act, a bill that would offer young illegal immigrants a path to citizenship. let's talk about it with fox news contributor and democratic consultant bob beckel and kevin madden, former national press secretary to mitt romney's presidential campaign. bob, put on your harry reid hat for a moment and tell us why he chosen the two bills which have certain amount of controversy with each of them, why he wants to push them? >> i can tell you why he is pushing the dream act. he got his margin of victory

to get back in the senate from hispanics in nevada. jon: that is pay back. >> that is pay back, sure. jon: i took the words right out of your mouth that doesn't happen. >> which you did indeed and why you're a got analyst. jon: i'll work on it. >> on gays, "don't ask, don't tell" i think he feels strongly about it. it won't get done in the next congress. the fact neither one of these will get through i don't think in this congress in a lame-duck session. they have to deal with the bush tax cuts and that is about as far as they're going to get. jon: kevin, would you agree with harry reid that these are the most pressing items for the u.s. senate to be handling right now? >> we had judgment on the election day not too long ago. 62% of the american public said the number one issue and what drove their vote was the economy. the right now people want to see jobs being created. they want to see more certainty in the markets. while there are constituencies within the democratic base that care about these two big issues, and there is a certain eltment

of political payback, there is a lot of political problems here for harry reid around the democrat party, democrats up on capitol hill. it does look like these two issues that could serve as distractions from the main focus of the american public right now. jon: bob says he doesn't think they will get passed, kevin. do you agree? >> i would agree. i think right now there is certain bit of pageantry bringing this up and having these debates. it is a short-term gain and a long-term loss. i don't think there is enough of political, there is not enough of a strong enough political coalition to pass either right now. jon: bob, what is the political calculation here? is harry reid who doesn't have to run again for six years, he is trying to help his fellow democrats by putting these two bills forward? >> there is a little payback. you like see outside chance it may work. i think now the jobs issue kevin makes a big point about is exactly right but now it will be in the hands of the republicans to come up with jobs. they're the ones who say you shouldn't try to create jobs out of washington but create them out in the marketplace. let's see if they have a

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jenna: a fox news alert. the ethics committee recommending censure for congressman charlie rangel. we'll explain a little bit more what that means in just a moment. let's take a listen. >> my family or anyone for my irresponsible behavior as

it relates to violation of the house rules. as a matter of fact, i have said it publicly, and you had clips of this as to what i've said, and i, no matter what sanction you finally reach, i will dedicate my life in trying to let younger members and other members know that these rules are not there to punish. they are there to guide the members to protect the character and the integrity of this congress and whether they are new members or older members, they have a responsibility to do just that. i would have hoped however, that the atmosphere in which i dealt with the landlord at 400 west 35th street, that i dealt with those people that listed foundations that

could make recommendations for city college to receive a grant, that they would have been able or that they were able and did testify that in all of this there was no request or suggestion that i would receive any personal gain. there would not be even the suggestion of corruption, and, had there been some suggestion where we were negotiating as to whether or not we could have avoided this hearing, if someone had said to me that they were willing, as, really asking this committee to do, to say what was not found even though it was alleged and still is being alleged by newspapers, reporters, by television reporters as a

deal with wrangle being a crook, wrangle being corrupt, wrangle gaming, just, i don't see any reason why -- rangel this committee pointed out those things. yes, i wanted my community to know what i had done. i wanted to be judged a publicly and i admitted wrongdoing to my committee, and it wasn't my fault that, that this committee decided to have this hearing on the eve of my primary, or the eve of the general election but god knows there was enough derogatory things said about me that i don't mr. bonner, you have to feel sorry for my constituents not knowing. the press took care of it and i don't see where this committee or anyone did anything to clear the record

as to what i did not do, even though i humbly recognize that what i did do was serious enough for this committee to continue its investigation. you know, i am not here to retry the case but even you, mr. bonner, might think it would be fair to point out that the record would indicate that the landlord solicited me for that fourth apartment. that the apartment had been vacant as other apartments have been throughout the building. and that with the exception of the zoning law mentioned by counsel, it was determined there was no violations of any agreements since the person that the lease was made to said that he wanted me there and that my leaving there would have destablized the apartment but, again, since you referred to the appearance

of favoritism, i can't get into that subjective feeling about the appearances of people. i did not know i was on a specialist and i don't think anyone has said what did i gain as a result of being on that list because it was appearances, it was with the staff. in any event, again, the fact that 17 years taxes were paid to dominican republic has nothing to do with the facts in this case, as it relates to my conduct but i would believe that the accountant that testified would have shared with you how mistakes were made that i assume responsibility for because whether it is a lawyer, a cpa or accountant, i signed the paper. but had i had the

opportunity to listen to the witnesses that mr. chisholm heard, i think that perhaps the atmosphere would not be that i was a bad person but more in line with what was said. when mr. butterfield asked the question of blake chisholm, the ethics chief counsel, do you have any evidence of personal financial benefit or corruption, blake chisholm asked, i see no evidence of corruption said blake chisholm this in response to representative butterfield's question. do you believe based on the record that congressman rangel took steps to benefit himself based on his position in congress? no. i believe that the

congressman quite frankly was overzealous in many of the things he did and sloppy in his personal finances. this statement is nothing for me to be proud of. this statement makes me believe that a lot should have been done and i recognize that and i admitted that but it would really help, and i don't think it is out of line if the committee didn't say it before, that you could put in that report, no matter what you agree the sanction should be, that your member was not corrupt and did not seek and did not gain anything personally for the bad conduct that i've had. that's all i ever asked when i referred this whole thing to this committee. all i asked was that you make a point of investigating everything. i volunteered to have

forensic accountant for 20 years to look over taxes, to look over all of the things that should have been done and corrected all of them but that is not an example that i would want to set for other members of congress. and quite frankly, even though i came in here prepared, not to deal with the question of ends censure and the options that you've had, i think that mr. chisholm's list of what this committee saw fit to give reprimand, while i assume that when you go into executive session you would compare how other members were treated under circumstances where they were personally enriched and where there was no question that the corruption existed. i have brought my friend

here, john lewis, because i wanted him to share who i was. i felt awkward in giving self-serving statements as to how i have dedicated my life to my country and to this congress and to my community and i know that if i had counsel here that they would say one thing, don't antagonize any of the members of this committee but mr. bonner, i really was surprised that, that you could deal with the questions that that dealt with my love for my congress and my country and my district, as well to talk about testimony that you found as factual, that was

not disputed by me but by the same token, the surrounding circumstances of whether i left that apartment, would have been a subsidized apartment left there, the answer is no. these people that would have been looking for a subsidized apartment certainly wasn't looking for it there if the apartments were vacant and i didn't try to hide anything from anybody. but again, that doesn't deal with how it appears, even though there is an accountant there saying i gave the appearance that i was receiving a gift. again, with ccny, i was overzealous because i have dedicated my life to trying to make certain that those people that were not exposed to the proper education could get it and there is at rangel fellowship that the state department runs there,

scholarships in my name and those not in my name because i know that the only thing between me as a high school dropout in korea and becoming chairman of the awesome and respectable ways and means committee was the g.i. bill in education. so overzealous is not an excuse but i appreciate mr. chisholm demonstrated that it is an explanation and not excuse for my behavior and i hope you take that into consideration because it is not just the years i've been in congress. it is the years that, that expect my grandchildren to be looking at, my community, and i hope you take all of those things in consideration. and i ask now that you give an opportunity for john lewis, perhaps