>> steve: that's going to wrap it up from our ice palace outside. we're going to continue with steve in the after the show show. log on right now. >> gretchen: you could win $1,000 from andrew mark. make sure you do it. have a fabulous weekend. >> brian: you could actually win these coats. have a great weekend, everybody. watch america's news room. it's next. considering a bold move to counter the bottom's enhanced security measures, look at ditching the tsa all together, pictures like these out of the denver post, not helping matters and leading that charge, a powerful florida congressman, john mica, republican, has called the tsa, quote, bloated bureaucracy. we're hope to go talk tom in a moment, also former pennsylvania senator, fox

news contributor rick santorum says the government is giving the terrorists just what they want. he joins us later, too. in the meantime, there is a stalemate now in this ongoing debate over the extension of the bush tax cuts. after a big meeting to hammer out a deal congressional leaders left with nada, nothing. now democratic plans to hold votes on it, anyway, during the lame duck session. can laic -- lawmakers strike a deal? and everyone, republicans so far on the senate side say they are doubtful. >> the more important thing we can do to create jobs between now and january 1st is to send a message to job creators that we're not going to raise their taxes. that's why i offered a bill back in september, s3773 that would make current tax rates permanent. this is the only bill that has yet been offered that would prevent a tax hike on anyone. in other words, nobody in

america will get a tax hike at the end of this year. bill: there we are, and good morning everybody, i'm bill hemmer, it's a friday and i think we should feel jilted because we don't have an ice pass. martha: i'd like to sit on those big blocks! i think we're a lot warmer. good morning, bill, good morning, everybody, i'm martha maccallum, nice to have you on this friday. what are they going to do in washington, are they going to let the tax cuts expire and let everybody's taxes go up six weeks from now? bill: big question. martha: here's harry reid. >> we want to give republicans an opportunity to vote on mcconnell's legislation and we want opportunity and maybe plural to vote, if we have to do it more than once, twice, whatever it takes to show the american people that we support the middle class and that we do not believe that if we're going to continue the talk out debt and decifit we can walk away from how much these tax cuts cost. bill: so the rubber is going

to meet the road at some point. the question is what's the outcome of all this? eric bolling, fox news network, laying it out for us now. what happens here? >> we have the republicans who say let's let all the tax cuts go forward forever, the democrats are saying no, only the middle class tax cuts, to people making over $250,000, those people can't have the tax cuts go forward. the problem here is, guys, this is it, right here. half of the filers over $250,000 will be small businesses. so they will be affected. they're starting to realize that. on the democratic side. we have democrats who say in the senate -- remember the house is now republican, so in the senate, there are about six senators, democratic, who are saying maybe we should extend the tax credits for everybody so there's a bit of a log jam going on on the democratic side, harry reid, nancy pelosi, and the white house want to only extend them for those people making under $250,000. bill the house will be republican come the first

week of january but in the lame duck session, it's for six weeks. >> and the worst thing they could possibly do right now is to pass some sort of tax legislation right now in lame duck. i know a lot of people are going to go take t. let's grab them now while we can get them, absolutely not. wait until a new session in congress. bill: why not? >> because you can make them permanent. the fixes, no one plans their business on a year or two, it's five years, ten years. bill: what happens if you go temporary? >> they don't buy it. our small businesses right now are saying i'm not sure what my tax structure is going to be, what my health care costs are going to be so what i'm doing is staying as thin and mean and lean as i can, i'm not going to hire one guy until i need two, two until i need five, so unemployment will stay high. make these permanent. bill: you called it, you said the first of the year, you're going to give the goingings the first week of january, so those tax -- >> hikes. bill: will kick in. >> so the tax hikes kick in

for a while until they fix it. i'm in favor of this. don't jump to -- >> bill: that -- >> worse would be if they go ahead and do it now, they don't extend it, they extend it for the upper portion of these people right here, these people for a year. that won't solve the problem of hiring. right now we have a hiring problem in the country, not so much in the economic problem, we have an employment problem. bill: you can hear the debate. it was bouncing off the marble walls of the capitol all day yesterday and continues today. eric, thank you. eric bolling, he follows the money every night in prime time! martha. martha: and we follow him, thank you very much. they were bankrupt, and now gm's stock is back, and it is the talk of wall street right now, folks. the company is on pace to sell $18.1 billion in shares. look at that number. it's likely going to be the second largest ipo, initial public offering, ever, in the history of the u.s. stock market. here is president obama's reaction to all this yesterday: >> today, one of the

toughest tales of the recession took another big step towards becoming a success story. general motors relaunched itself as a public company, cutting the government's stake in the company by nearly half. what's more, american taxpayers are now positioned to recover more than my administration invested in gm. that's a very good thing. martha: very good thing. meanwhile, the markets thursday thought it was a pretty good thing, too, up 173 points, two very good days for the dow jones industrial average, the biggest gain point since november 4th, futures right now for today looking lower, not surprising, a pullback after the gains. we'll see where it goes and a little context on this now, take a look at this, the same company that was branded government motors after taking about $50 billion in taxpayer funded bailouts, currently the treasury owns 61 percent of the common stock of gm but this stock sail will drastically reduce that

number. gm has paid or agreed to pay 9 1/2 billion dollars in cash and payments, the treasury would have to sell shares at about $53, so now it's about $34 at the open this morning, it has to get to $53 a share to come out even and a lot of folks are skeptical about where that might happen. where do you stand on this? we'd like to know. let bill and i know your thoughts, foxnews.com and our question today, if you could, would you buy gm stock. a lot of people can't get their hands on it because it's an ipo, often off limits to regular investors, almost 30,000 votes, a large majority, 79 percent say nope. bill: really? >> martha: gm has not been restored, according to these surveys. let us know what you think. we're going to keep checking those answers. it's interesting where people want to put their money today. it's a bigger question than ever. bill: # on percent is rather profound. and i would say decided. at 80 percent. now we've got this by house republicans, to cut

federal fund, national public radio fell short, democrats blocking that move during a procedural vote, the newest battle, igniting over the controversial decision to fire juan williams, a fox news contributor, about a month ago, following comments made on the fox news channel, detractors and defenders of npr spoke out on the hill. >> it's not the lineral bias that offend me so much that american citizens are forced to subsidize it with hard earned tax dollars, national public broadcasting is one of the few areas where the american public can actually get balanced information. it's not beliefators on the -- bloviators on the right or left. bill: look at that tie! # minutes past. martha: to alaska, joe miller is not giving up

votes, the republican senate nominee has gone to court to stop officials from certifying the election until a recount. lisa murkowski was credited the winner on wednesday, she has a 10,000 vote lead over miller but miller is challenging those ballots because of misspellings and other problems. he says, quote, maybe the realities the numbers have not hit him. bill a very emotional rangel stood before colleagues, the veteran lawmaker crying and at one point saying this has been one of the worst days of my life, the house ethics committee finding rangel guilty on 11 ethics violations relating to financial misconduct. they've recommending censure by the house. >> i apologize for any embarrassment that's caused you individually or collectively as a member of the greatest institution in the country of the world.

bill: there was some drama during that hearing yesterday. rangel is former chairman of the powerful house ways and means committee. while he apologized for the embarrassment he caused he insisted he is not corrupt, just guilty of sloppy paperwork, censure, for rangel. martha: a lot of drama in that courtroom yesterday. how about this, america's newly elected lawmaker, smiling for the big cameras today, there they are on a beautiful day in washington, d.c., about an hour ago, the professional class of 2011 gathered on the step of the capitol for the group phot oerbgs this is a long-held tradition, today's candid moment capped a busy first week for the newest members of congress, also today, the households its lottery for the all-important all assignment. you if you're lucky might get a window. it's one of the greatest things on capitol hill. bill: get a dealing above 8 feet. she said she could beat president obama in 2012.

what's joe biden think about that? he weighs in and what he is saying about palin's comments. you'll find out in a moment. martha: a famous library gets a new book. and it comes compliments of a current best selling author, former president george w. bush visits the ronald reagan library and gets a special greeting from nancy reagan. we will show you this. also -- >> if you touch my junk, i'm going to have you arrested. bill: keep it safe but don't you dare touch our junk. should they get rid of the tsa all together? why some folks in some parts w the country say do it.at's 8% martha: can i see the bumper stickers already, can't you?

bill: -- >> they're still working on the diaper bomber incident when terrorists are flying cargo planes or attempting to over our cities to blow them up. they're always behind the

curve. we need to look at this whole process. it's very expensive, an i don't think it's that efficient or effective. bill: that's what republican congressman john mica on the takedown on the patdown, calling for the tsa to get out of airports and replaced by private security. we will talk to mica later this morning. former pennsylvania senator rick santorum says the following: in many respects i've seen some of the headlines, terrorists win. i think it's a pretty good subtitle in what we're seeing. i think tsa has gone overboard. has it? byron york, chief political correspondent for the washington examiner and fox news contributor, good morning to you. you ran into mica at an airport in orlando, florida? >> i spoke to him on the phone, he was calling me from the airport in hrorpb and he was telling me that he had just sent a letter to the heads of about 150 airports nationwide reminding them that they have the option of opting out of tsa security. that is hiring private security force that is would work under the supervision

of the federal government, that if they want to, there's a provision in the law that created the tsa back in 2001, allowing airport toss opt out. bill: you have to have, what, the local airport commission get together and vote on it? how would that be done? >> the airports themselves can make these decisions. the problem is or maybe the good part on the federal government is they would remain under federal supervision and they would have to abide by tsa guideline, so the question is would they do a better job than the current federal officials. mica cites a couple of government accountability office reports that show that private screeners do a bit better job and are more flexible and are open to innovation so he's hoping that a number of airports across the country will make that decision. bill: here's what he said. he said this is exactly what it is, this is a quote from him now, it's a big ba -- kabookie dance and others talk about it as security theater and part of that may be true, but if there is

another attack that's successful, we as a society can get ready for this kind of stuff everywhere, not just at the keurp -- at the airport but public places wherever we go. >> well, that's exactly what he said, when i asked him about the critics who called this security theater, that is, it's kind of a big show to make people feel there's a lot of security when there's not any actual security. the big thing to remember amid all this outrage about the screening machines and possible radiation and privacy violations and then the intrusive, groping patdown, the biggest thing to remember is not to just let people get on airplanes without any security, it is what is the best way to secure passengers on airplanes, and what mica is saying is these methods are not the most effective. there's been an argument about this going on a long time, micah and others -- mica and others were advocating the israeli method of having screeners actually ask questions to passengers and finding more information about what they're doing that way,

instead of putting everybody through intrusive security. bill: but if that's the case, if you went that way, and the israelis have a smaller population, they have less people to deal with, we have remarkably fewer flights a day in and out of tel aviv, but if you do that, then you're going to create backups at airports two a -- to a level that far surpasses what we experience now. and then you'll have to answer the question whether or not the public would be happy or satisfied with that. >> they're not asking questions of everybody. i mean, there would be basic levels of security and then there would be height been dollars security, more questions for some people that are identified by the screeners and the tsa, you've got to remember, has gone from 16,500 screeners to 67,000 employees, with probably 10,000 of those being administrative personnel, many of them in washington. so it has turned into a large bureaucracy, anyway. bill: we're going to hopefully talk to john mica,

byron, thank you for your time. we had a deputy administrator of the tsa yesterday, he think the government is gag to back off on its current techniques, it will be a matter of time whether we see a backoff. perhaps that's in the offing come off the holiday. byron, thank you. martha is coming up. martha: what a story this has turned into, huh? then they have to back off because we're getting new reports of unbelievable stories about the way people are being handled. it's incred -- it's incredible. we'll talk about that with rick santorum. >> playing hard ball on the bush tax cuts. who do you think about blink? hold on to your wallets, folks. bill: jennifer griffin takes a close-up look at the mexican cartels along the border, a who's who of the most wanted, for all the mayhem on the other side.

bill: out of california the state university system raising tuition costs by 8 percent and that has caused a firestorm in quarters. that fee increase came a day after this protest took place outside of administration headquarters. last year's increase was 32 percent, the new increase has about 800 more dollars. education officials argue the hike will only raise a small portion of what is needed to close the budget shortfall, critics argue you have to start somewhere. watch that story that continues in california. martha: you know, we hear about the cold blooded violence carried out by the during cartels in mexico pretty much every day but just who are the drug lords who thumb their noses at the

law? jennifer griffin taking an in depth look along the rio grande in mission, texas. jennifer. >> reporter: martha, there is a lot of talk down here in texas this morning about the obama administration's decision to withdraw the national guard from california, new mexico and texas. they only just arrived in september, they are set to leave in february. there were 9000 people killed in mexico last year by the drug cartels. we have a who's who of those cartels. take a look. >> it's a $40 billion business, divided among seven cartel the, the ariano felix organization or tijuana cartel based south of san diego, beltran leyvia, whose cartel left 2300 people dead in jaurez, la familia and zeta, once the armed wing of the gulf cartel in eastern mexico,

the zetas broke away creating their own cartel earlier this year, an eclet rick -- eclectic bunch, they use tigers to scare its victims. the lower cartel made last year's forbes list. the king pins life span can be short, captured in argument, either barbi, nicknamed for his -- la barbie faces a mexican lockup, tony tormenta was assassinated by the mexicoan military, on the rise, the zetas, former mexican special forces gone rogue, about 200 trained by u.s. special forces at fort benning, georgia. >> they went back to mexico and then left the mexican military, became the enenforcers for the gulf cartel, then in february of this year, they started their own cartel. >> texas governor rick perry has asked for a thousand national guards to be sent down to the border here. some people say that they

need 10,000 national guardsmen across the border to secure what we've seen in recent days. martha: jennifer, thank you very much, great comprehensive information on all those groups. and fox news is covering all of these developments on the war america is waging right along our southern border every day. check out our special section, foxnews.com, devoted to taking a closer look at the national security threat and what it means for all of us. that is at foxnews.com. check it out. bill: all right. we are getting this now. fox news alert out of portugal, that's the president of portugal, and you'll see our president in a moment, there you go, president obama begins two days of talks with nato allies, it starts today and wraps up late on saturday. top priority for nato is afghanistan. the second priority of these meetings will certainly be the world economy and how it's rippled through our country and. keep an eye on that. happening overes. john mica says get rid of

the tss -- tsa. we'll ask him why. she says she can beat president obama in the election of 2012. only moments ago joe biden responds to the claims. martha: you'll be surprised at what he says, actually. stick around for that. plus the warning that you need to know about, one major retailer, before you go out there and shop this holiday season, why they are facing a big lawsuit. what it could mean for you.

bill: 9:30 in new york, the threat of gas keeping rescuers in new zealand out of a mine with an explosion that left 27 missing. the air force identified a missing pilot of a fighter jet that crashed in alaska. there's been no sign of captain jeffrey haney since searchers reached the crash site wednesday. plus the fight over patdowns at airports, john mica is a republican out of florida, he's also ranking member of the committee on transportation, and he will be head of that committee come january. he is with me out of d.c. how you doing, sir, good morning to you. you were just talking to byron -- we were just talking to byron york about this, i know you spoke tom a week ago. does the law state that

airports have the option to opt out and have their own security and get rid of the tsa and if so, is that something you would push for? >> first of all, i helped write the tsa legislation, i'm concerned that the agency is getting out of control, and i've reminded airports that a provision that i put in the law in 2001 allows them to contract with private screenings, still under federal supervision and tsa. we have about 20 airports that have already made that choice, but that's been in the law for some time. and my concern now with the groping, with some of the things that tsa has misstepped on, this may be the time to start looking at a different model. bill: a different model would do what and how would they be able to do the job better? >> well, when i wrote the law, we put in one airport of each side with private screening under federal

supervision, had a chance to look at that over several years, and not just my evaluation, but other srae valuations including gao said that the private screening under federal supervision works and performs statistically significantly better. so our main purpose is getting better screening and better performance, not to mention that we can get better costs for the taxpayers. tsa has mushroomed to 67,000 employees. when i left as chairman of aviation, we put a cap in the 40s. and just in the past few years, it's grown to 3590 administrative personnel just in washington, d.c., making on average over $105,000 a year. this is an agency that cries out for reform. bill: the reform could come. and you're going to have a big say in that, come early january. but the other day, you talked about -- you said

this, in fact, on the screen for our viewers, it's exactly what it is, it is a big kabuki dance. talking about security theater. i mean, the flying public thinks this is all just a show? >> well, unfortunately, some of it is. and having started out in this, i first looked at the different models, some european, israeli, even our federal prisons, where we have maximum security, where they strip search you, where they do body cavity searches, and we found out that contraband still gets through, drugs get through, weapons get through. now, what we've got to do is build a layered system. but tsa sort of missed the mark. even with this patdown and advanced technology, it's being misapplied, and today, myself, mr. petra, ranking aviation member, we're asking them to relook at how they're doing it. it shouldn't be done on a random basis, it should be done on a targeted basis. bill: they are looking to

you for solutions now because you can bring all the problems you want but unless you have a solution on the other side a lot of folks won't listen. john mica, thank you for your time. i know it was short notice but you're getting headlines and we will be in touch with you next week as travel gets underway. thank you, sir. >> thank you. martha: all right. back to presidential politics and new reaction today from vice president joe biden to the claims that sarah palin made when she talked to barbara walters, she said yeah, i could beat president obama if i ran in 2012 for the white house. now we've gotten reaction from the vice president, on msnbc this morning. here's what he said: >> i don't think she could beat president obama, but you know, she's always underestimated, so you know, i think i shouldn't say anymore. martha: i love that! let's bring in rich lowry, editor of national review of course and fox news

contributor, kirsten powers is new york columnist and fox news contributor. you couldn't mess that up. basically what he said was i don't think she could beat my boss, president obama but boy, she's always underestimated so i don't think i'm going to say anymore. what do you think about that? >> well, it wasn't a ringing endorsement for obama, really, but at the same time, i think joe biden was just thinking don't say anything, just stop talking, and i think that was the closest he could do, probably. martha: she's often underestimated, rich! >> he almost caught himself and didn't say anything but he did say a little bit. look, she's trailing heads to heads, but it's very early, i think she's going to run. martha: i don't know how anybody could think she's not going to run when you look at everything that she's doing out there and she says if nobody else will do it, which is an interesting way to look at it, but you -- >> if you look at that tlc show, it's impossible to imagine a better introduction for any presidential candidate than that, you know, being the mother, being the

outdoorswoman, being framed against your native alaska and the gorgeous wilderness. martha: let me ask you about that, kir step. i watched it as well, and do you think that's going to do her a lot of good, that tlc special, because a lot of people said this is a reality show, this is a disaster. >> it's been funny with her, every way along the line, everything she does, people say oh, she resigned as governor, no one is going to care about her anymore. i feel like she plays by her own rules, she does things differently and somehow, she makes things that wouldn't work for other people work for her. martha: real quick, i want to get to the taxes, do you think she could beat president obama? >> honestly, i don't know. i think he's very weak now and the question is whether or not the economy turns around and where he is. i think that it would be difficult, certainly, but i wouldn't rule it out. martha: all right. very interesting. let's talk about this, the senate democrats, stick to go their guns when it comes to this very controversial decision over the bush-asia

tax cuts, republicans also not backing down, they want to extend them for everybody, but senate majority leader dick durbin says this is not what the white house wants. this is what he said: >> the white house is acknowledging the obvious, the decision is going to be made by congress and it's going to be made during the coarse of negotiation and the president i think will draw clear bright lines or where he stands on this, he said he would and i look to him to do that. the line along this line is one i endorse and that is that tax cuts should be for most making $250,000 a year or less. martha: rich, what's going to happen with this? that's six weeks until everybody's taxes go up. >> it's classic obama, he's voting president, punting to his liberal friends in congress. harry reid, i think he's trying to show he's tough and he's going to offer this bill that will let the upper income expire, that doesn't -- mcconnell has a bill to extend them permanently, that doesn't have 60 so presumably the thing would

be to compromise to a two or three-year extension. if that doesn't happen and the thing collapses, taxes go nup january and the republicans' leverage is drastically increased with all the new members coming in. so i think democrats, if they don't compromise, are going to get drubbed on this. martha: they're going to push it into the nuclear. kirsten, is that your take as well? >> i just find this whole thing baffling, actually, the way the democrats are handling this. why it isn't being framed by obama as the republicans are holding up the tax cuts to the middle class, they're not really getting that message out and i think the feeling is among people on the left is that they're probably going to -- you know, they're going to cave on us or completely screw it up because they don't have one unified position, republicans are completely unified, they're all over the place in terms of ideas. he's not taking leadership, and if it wasn't for nancy p* pell and harry reid -- i mean, i agree with what they're doing and i don't think it's taxes going up, the bush tax cuts will expire, they'll go back to

where they were during the '90s. come on, taxes were not too high in the '90s week, in the in a -- we're not in a recession anymore and because of the decifit -- because of the decifit it's hypocritical -- hypocritical for republicans to say we should be doing this. >> taxes have been the same for ten years. if they go up, that's a tax increase. martha: thanks you guys, rich lowry, kirsten powers, great to have you here. bill. bill: in a moment, martha, being an american citizen, a birth right or a privilege? why this question could be one of the biggest issues in the next congress. martha: and what a sight. what a picture, this video, former president, former first lady, what brought george w. bush and nancy reagan together for this occasion, when we come back.

martha: former president george w. bush on tour to

phroet his new book, visiting the reagan library in simi valley, california, former first lady nancy reagan was on hand to greet him, she looks great, with all the greeters, and listen to this: >> i got back from washington, d.c. and was lying on the couch and laura came in and i said free at last. [laughter] she said you're now free to do the dishes. [laughter] i said wait a minute, baby, you're talking to the former president of the united states. she said well, it's your new domestic policy agenda. [laughter] >> martha: we can all relate to that, right? mr. bush's memoir "decision points" is number one on the amazon.com list, so con tkpwrallations to him for that. bill: we have a cameo from

jay leno coming up that will make you laugh. he's everywhere, isn't he, selling books, in the thousands! so now, will the house take on one of the most controversial issues of our time, children born to illegal immigrants are granted automatic u.s. citizenship. that falls under the 14th amendment of the constitution. are republicans about to challenge that? steve king, a republican out of iowa, ranking member of the subcommittee on immigration, and welcome back here to "america's newsroom". how much of a priority will this be for you in the new congress in january? >> well, bill, i think there are a lot of agendas that are up in front here and it's going to take a little while to sort to see which ones will emerge first, but this is one that has been presented into the american dialogue, it's been part of the discussions going up to this election and it's something the american people expect to see congress have a discussion, and a deliberation on, and perhaps move legislation in this next congress. bill: you know the critics are going to say to you, why

density senship to a child. your argument is what? >> well, it is really pretty simple. there's an industry that has grown up out of this that pregnant women come into the united states illegally in order to have a baby here so that they can have the family that anchored to that citizenship and anchored to american benefits and i don't believe it was contemplated when the 14th amendment was ratified in 1868, it's become a practice, it's cost a lot of money, about one out of every 12 babies born in the united states is born to an illegal parent or parents, excuse me, and we have to have immigration laws, if we don't enforce it this way, i don't know what other laws we could enforce. bill: you call it an industry, how big is that industry? do you have raw numbers? >> the numbers estimate between 340,000 a year and as many as 720,000 a year, the lower range to the top range, depending upon who you listen to. that's a pretty good sized nup. when i say one out of 12 babies it might actually be one out of every half dozen

babies in the united states, so actually, i visited a hospital at -- a to hisson university hospital where they told me a story of a lady who was going to have a multiple birth of five babies, they sent a medical team to mexico to train them so that those babies could be born safely in mexico, she snuck into the united states anyway and it cost us $125,000 for those five births and of course, that's five new american citizens that can then bring their extended families into the united states. bill: you can find countless examples of that, i'm certain, especially given the numbers you give here and it's been documented, it is in the several hundred thousand births every year, but you would need a constitutional amendment to do away with this. >> well, in -- >> bill and that's a huge mountain to climb. >> let me say that when you look at the scholarship on this, and i don't present myself as the lead scholar, i listen to them, however, and i read the text of it, all persons born in the united states and subject to the jurisdiction thereof shall be american citizens. subject to the jurisdiction

thereof is a clause that has been -- was put in there for the purposes of exempting perhaps visitors, but certainly, those that are part of the diplomatic core, and certain native americans on their reservations that were not subject to the just tkebgs of the united states at the time of the ratification. so -- >> bill: so you would argue with the language and the interpretation of the amendment. >> i would say so. that clause is there. if it weren't there, then i think they would have a case. but the proper way to go about this is pass the law banning birth right citizenship and certainly the people on the other side will litigate them and after all the federal government is suing arizona, they litigate everything that has to do with immigration and we'll find out on the other side of this what the supreme court rules. bill: let me get to one more point here. there are several countries in the last few years that have accepted the following provision. if you have one parent who is a legal immigrant then the child is a legal citizen, the u.k.,

australia, ireland, france, new zealand and india have all changed their practice in recent years. would you accept that as a change in our law? >> i at least accept that philosophy. i'd want to look at the land see how it works in the united states but i think we're looking at least at the mother, so i don't know what happens when a father might claim fatherhood. so i'd look at least the mother and i'm happy to have this discussion across the country. bill: why don't we pick it up after the first of the year. we'd like to see if you can get anywhere with this. steve king, thank you. martha. martha: more than five years after she vanished in aruba, a jawbone has turned up on a beach there and it is now being dna tested. could it provide the answers with what happened to natalee holloway? we have a new update next. bill: repeal and replace, the rally cry on the health care bill for republican leaders. what john boehner has just revealed about republican plans in washington that will have far reaching

effects across america. back in a moment on a friday

bill: you know if a deal seems too good to be true it probably is, right? overstock.com, the mega retailer claims to save folks money on discounted products. well, now seven prosecutors out of california are taking on the site, they say it basically tells people they have the cheapest prices around, when you can find a better deal on another website. the prosecutors want overstock to pay $15 million in fines. overstock denies the allegations, says it's not true. >> ♪ >> ♪ moving on up.

>> ♪ >> ♪ to the east side. >> ♪ >> ♪ to a deluxe apartment in the sky. >> ♪ >> ♪ >> martha: any day you hear that song, it's a good day, right! we love that on a friday! bill: they weren't moving on up to the rotunda. martha: they are in the bottom with a little window, most likely. it is moving day, that's why we hear that great song, for the newest members of congress. what's it like to be a freshman lawmaker? molly henneberg is checking that out live for us on capitol hill. >> reporter: moving on up indeed. this is a big day, a big event for the newest members of congress. they are picking a lottery to get office space and it's a collegial event, there are a lot of groans for people who picked the high numbers. here's what happens, the newest members of congress are called up in alphabetical order and pick a button out of a box, that button has a number on it and that number determines who picks what office, in

what order. the lower numbers, that's what the members want and they go from 1-# five, the person who picked number button, colorado republican corey gardner, who will go around and look at the offices and pick the one he wants. he gets to go first. there's a little strategy here. if you want to maybe trade your view to get bigger office space, higher up, want to be close to the ground to get to the trains, to the capitol to cast votes, between now and this afternoon, they'll go around the house office buildings and check out the offices. then they'll come back here at 1:00 this afternoon and they'll make their picks. virginia new -- newly elected virginia republican robert hurt, he'll have the longest wait, he picked number 85. bill, martha, back to you. martha: that's a bummer. thank you molly. we have a lory here. did you hear about that, bill? i got your office! bill: don't tell me about it. you can have it, it's nothing special. martha: looks a lot like mine, actually! bill: the dimensions are actually the same.

martha: we love it, though, we like it, right? >> bill: absolutely, we love our cubicals, right? you know why? we have windows. martha: we do, which is lovely. bill: hey, bad news for a huge segment of americans, why seniors, signing up for private medicare plans, are running into big road blocks. that story is coming up here. martha: plus, it is literally a very touchy subject, folks, new fallout over the old patdown smackdown at the airport security lines. when you hear what's going on out there you're going to be frightened to go to the airlines next time. rick santorum weighs in onyx?ú÷ that with us.

stella: hmmm. we're getting new medicare benefits from the new healthcare law. jane: yea. most people will get free cancer screenings. and 50 percent off of brand name prescription drugs if you're in the donut hole. stella: you read my paper. jane: i went to medicare.gov. it's open enrollment, you know. so i checked out all the options and found a better plan to fit my budget. stella: well, you know what they say...knowledge...

jane: knowledge is power.

martha: "fox news alert," vice president biden weighing in on america's first civilian trial for a terror detainee, ahmed ghailani, not guilty on 284 counts on mass murder and will get 20 years to live on the

sentencing and was suspected of playing a pivotal role in the bombing that killed 284 americans and the vice president said, quote he'll be in jay jail longer than if any other method were tried and the same thing he did with the shoe bomber and, peter king is not exactly in sync with the vice president. listen to what he said: >> the reason they wanted to have these cases in civilian court was to show that these courts could get the job done and, let the world see what was going to happen and if the world -- the world saw that he was acquitted on 384 counts including over 200 charges of murder. martha: peter king not happy with this. california democrat jane harman is the chair on house subcommittees on intelligence and is applauding the verdict and will be our guest on "america's newsroom" and we'll talk to her about that. martha: back on capitol hill

now, speaker-designate, john boehner with fighting words in the battle to undo the president's overhaul of health care, in the country and he forecasting swift action, to overturn the centerpiece of democratic policies, the past two years. >> we think that obama care will ruin the best health care system in the country and believe that it will bankrupt our nation and believe it needs to be repealed and replaced with common-sense reforms, to bring down the cost of health insurance and you will see is move quickly enough. martha: that is how we start a new hour of "america's newsroom," great to have you with us on this friday morning, i'm martha maccallum. bill: good morning, i'm bill hemmer, these are great debates, that continue, the ghailani matter will clear things up? think again and now the issue of health care. quickly enough, john boehner not speculating on when his plan will come up for a vote but, so far as you can see, republicans are determined. martha: one group who may soon be siding with the republican leader are seniors, swallowing a bitter pill on the overhaul,

now, let's talk about this, starting a week, private medicare plans are eliminating options for seniors, and citing the health care law and cuts in federal funding according to the "wall street journal" today. as leading republicans and democrats in the senate hammer out a so-called "dr. fix" a stopgap measure to prevent massive cuts in medicare payments, let's talk to dr. marc siegel who is joining me now, medical a-teamer. doctor, the reality is kicking in for a lot of seniors that's a visit theirs doctors and find out what will be available to them in this new world. >> we'll see 78 million baby boomers over the next 15 years, add to medicare ranks, beginning now, january 1st. what they are seeing is a changing playing field, and, first you mentioned medicare advantage, will see $130 million worth of cuts over the next ten years and now, medicare advantage because of the 2008 law will have to have networks and a lot of the insurance companies are dropping their

medicare advantage, kaiser family foundation, says there will be 13 percent less medicare advantage plans, this year which means, less prescription drugs paid for, less dental and eye, doctor visits and less rehabilitation and we have 11 million seniors using medicare advantage, and number 2, you mentioned the doctors fix, i have to tell you, a one month delay, what kind of a band aid is that? physicians are nervous about medicare and the ama did a survey over the summer that said close to 20% of medicare provider physicians are limiting the number of medicare patients they see. so, you may have your medicare card now, may be turning 65, and may not be able to find the doctor to take care of you. martha: let's talk about that, doctor. $500 billion was supposed to be cut from medicare programs. and, that was what we heard over and over again, was going to be how the health care plan was paid for. then the doctor said, if you cut my medicare payments i will not be able to cover the patients i cover, and, they said okay.

we'll give you money back and do the doctor fix and, now it will be extended, for only a few months and keeps like we are playing catch-up on this and dealing with it in a haphazard way. >> you have a great radar, what is happening politically. if they had done the permanent doctor fix it would have been over $300 billion, right on the top of the health care bill and everyone would have said it is not revenue-neutral. so they are trying to hide it in terms of one band-aid after another and every time they put one in, doctors get nervous and flee from medicare and again, our seniors are the ones that will have a problem, you may have your medicare benefits but your medicare benefits may not pay for the services you are used to and the doctor has to be paid. look, my patients are older and older and have more and more problems and i'm getting better and better technology to handle the problems and those things take time, time is money, why shouldn't physicians be paid for they're services? they have to look at the bottom line, doctors are dropping out.

martha: you're a good doctor and take good care of your patients and it is getting tough for folks like you. >> martha, i take care of my patients, no matter what, but we can't count on that across the board. martha: doctor, thank you very much. >> thanks. martha: important topic. we're watching it. bill: a tragic end to the mystery of what happened to a family in ohio, a week long desperate search, investigators saying the bodies of tina herman and her son and a family friend, were found inside of bags. inside of a hollowed out tree miles from their home and the sole survivor, tina's 13-year-old daughter, found bound and gaggeded in the basement of the kidnapper's home and police say he's the one who led authorities to their remains. >> the discovery of these bodies was as a result of information provided by matthew hoffman. the bodies were located in a wooded area, inside of garbage

bags, in a hollow tree, off of yankee street, which is west of fredericktown in knox county. he remains in the county jail on the kidnapping charge. bill: no word on motive there, the sheriff suggested he was watching the family for some time. that out of ohio. breaking news right now, dutch authorities using natalee holloway's dental records to compare a jawbone found by tourists on a beach in aruba last week. the 18-year-old went missing five years ago. her father is claiming to have learned the jawbone was that of a human female. authorities have not yet confirmed that publicly. the latest out of miami, now, phil keating is watching that. when will we know if it is or is not, phil? >> reporter: we should know any time now, should be today, could be this weekend, could be next week, and forensic analysts as well as aruban and dutch

authorities tell me that, they've had the jawbone over at the netherlands forensic institute since monday and three-and-a-half full days now, experts over there have had the jawbone, now, keep in mind where the jawbone was found on the island nation of aruba, a week ago today by american tourists on the northwest section of the island known as palm beach. and, hotel row is there, the big hotel prompts most tourists stay in there, this was found on the southern end outside of the phoenix hotel. and, that is a mile south of the holiday inn beach where she and her friends stayed back in '05 and further south, from the swampy area that was a focus of the search back then. forensic analysts i have spoken with say within a matter of a day or hours, you should be able to tell with dental x-rays whether the jawbone is human or animal and, with dental records, which they have, thanks to the fbi e-mailing her dental records over there on wednesday, they should really be able to come to

a conclusion, and we should know sooner rather than later. bill: joran van der sloot is behind bars and if you find out it is her remains is it enough to charge him in a case like this? >> reporter: that is a good question. he has been arrested, twice. over the past five-and-a-half years and he was never charged with a crime. aruban prosecutors said they never had enough evidence, actually to charge him with a crime and if they get a piece of her body and officially confirm that she is in fact dead, that will be interesting. but, now he's behind bars in peru and could be there another year-and-a-half awaiting his murder trial there, for allegedly killing a 21-year-old girl on the 5th anniversary, to the day of natalee holloway's disappearance on may 30th. in peru and he was caught in chile and the surveillance videotape from the hotel he was staying at in lima shows both of them, joran van der sloot and

stephany flores going into the room and only shows him leaving and her dead body was found in the room later. bill: we could find this jawbone back in holland, any moment now. phil keating in miami, thank you, phil. martha: a "fox news alert," a suspected gas explosion collapsing a mine in new zealand. 27 workers are trapped 200 feet underground and aerial footage shows burned and blackened trees outside the mouth of the mine and reports indicate the powerful blast shot out of the entrance from deep inside the mountain. five workers managed to escape all of this, the condition of the trapped miners is unknown, right now. all of this of course, calling the 69 day saga, of the 33 trapped chilean miners. bill: hold out hope every time, right? and we will again, from new zealand. so, the pat-down pandemonium, rick santorum says terrorists have won, have they? he plains explains, live in a

moment. martha: and most republicans say the embassy bombing verdict makes a mockery of the system. >> the president boxed himself into a corner, he and eric holder and you will find khalid sheikh mohammed kept in guantanamo along with the other 9/11 defendants and he'll be held indefinitely and after 2012, depending on what happens with the election, the president will decide. martha: all right, california democrat jane harman chairs the subcommittee on intelligence and she says she's happy with the verdict. what can we expect for ksm? we'll ask her. bill: and she's cute and cuddly and right now, fighting for her life. what happened to this kuala. that caused so much trauma in.

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afghanistan, the u.s. deploying heavily armed m 1 abrams battle tanks and the marines made the request to fight they have been, it comes less than a week, after afghan president hamid karzai called for the u.s. to cut back on its military foot print. martha: the white house is standing by a civilian courtroom terror verdict in the ahmed ghailani trial. the former guantanamo detainee was found guilty on one slim charge of the 280 that was charged with. he was acquitted on all of the murder charges in the africa embassy bombings and ranking member of the homeland security committee, new york congressman peter king says it is a prelude to what could happen in the 9/11 terror trials with the men that you see pictured here, he's on "america's newsroom" yesterday: >> the purpose of this trial as i understood from the president was to show the world that we would convict these people and find them guilty of the heinous

crimes and instead the world has seen an american jury acquit of over 200 counts of murder, 284 counts, altogether and sets the tone as to what can happen and really, you know, prelude to what would happen if we had khalid sheikh mohammed and the other 9/11 defendants on trial in a civilian court in new york. martha: that becomes the question now. i'm happy to be joined by congresswoman jane harman, who has said that she is satisfied with the verdict. good morning to you. she's the chair of the homeland security committee on intelligence, congresswoman, welcome and good morning to you. you know, eric holder the attorney general said the failure was not an option thin this case and for many people the margin of success here was too slim. >> i wouldn't call conviction on conspiracy charges a slim count. this man will be sentenced to a minimum of 20 years. the fact that there were so many murders involved here will affect his sentencing and he'll more likely get a life sentence in a maximum security federal

prison, and, be -- which is a longer sentence than all but one of the five people convicted by military tribunals has gotten. peter king is entitled to his rhetoric but not to his own facts. and the facts are, there have been 218 convictions on terrorism related charges since 9/11 and five in military tribunals and those convictions are all for long sentences and a lot of these people will never see light again. martha: congresswoman i think a lot of people look at a 20 year sentence for the number of murders and we're looking at the carnage in africa and you remember what happened and think of the families affected by that and about the evidence that was not allowed to be brought into the courtroom, because of the kind of courtroom it was, including, you know, cell phone connections to the man, a detonator, explosives that another party said he bought for ahmed ghailani. it makes a lot of people wonder whether or not you know, any

justice was really served here, and whether or not he can get out in ten years. >> he's not going to get out in ten years. martha: how do you know that. >> because the 20 year sentence by law is a minimum sentence and he's more likely to get a life sentence and let's understand, that that testimony which the judge disallowed and which federal prosecutors pushed to be allowed was coerced by torture and most people believe even in a military tribunal that kind of evidence wouldn't have been admissible. the practices that were used to get the evidence have been discontinued and that is a good thing and oh, by the way i'm fairly familiar with the charges brought against the higher value targets like ksm and i'm very confident that they will be tried and convicted in federal court and will get a life sentence or the death penalty in every, single case. >> don't you think, with all due respect in light of what happened in the courtroom to see him convicted on one conspiracy charge and i know you say that that is a big deal, the conspiracy charge but i don't

know how yukon pier to bl-- con to blow up a building and not plan to blow up people, and, what -- where is your level of confidence with ksm, given what we saw play out here? >> well, i'm a trained lawyer, and i think the evidence against the high-value targets is much more elaborate and complete from multiple sources and to the extent there is some tainted evidence, it probably won't be admissible, as it would not be in a military tribunal. but i think we have overwhelming cases against these people, and let's understand where they are, right now, i've actually seen them and again to guantanamo, four times, they are in very comfortable prisons, they have balconies, the caribbean climate there, they can pray all day and have unlimited access to dvds and the food they like and they would not like to go to any kind of federal prison and leave the comfort zone they're in. i think this is a much improved

idea, to try these people for their heinous crimes and convict them and either give them the death penalty or life in prison. martha: let me ask you this, then: when do you expect that to happen? there are people who have been waiting for this for a very long time. when will it happen. >> i would love to it happen soon. we have to work out the location, eric holder as we know announced the southern district of new york would be the location and, there was enormous push back for security reasons, i'm not going to second-judge what he does now but this fellow, ghailani, was just tried in the southern district of new york and there were no security issues. we know how to try people in america, how to incarcerate them and living by the rule of law projects our values and that helps us win this argument against would be terrorists. martha: what would you tell the families of the 9/11 victims about your prediction -- will it happen before the presidential election in 2012? >> i think it should happen. before the presidential

election. i think if the -- for the obama administration to make a decision where wilt happen and move it promptly and i don't see why khalid sheikh mohammed and the others need to be in a warm caribbean climate with peaceful days, which they would like to continue. i think that is absolutely wrong, and, that breaks our promise to these families, they'll be brought to justice. martha: he said a long time ago he wanted to go to trial, and get on with it and justice needs to be served and swiftly. congresswoman, thank you very much, it is very good to have you. bill: you listen to debates and figure the trial, verdict would settle some things. and seems like it just contributed to it. the debate goes on. martha: it has been too long. bill: 20 minutes past the hour, he ran two years ago, his name has been tossed around for 2012 and mitt romney says the strategy is to hang back, why that has politicals buzzing. martha: and it is the auto show of the future, plugged in and

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martha: sth is -- this is intriguing, mitt romney is setting his strategy for the 2012 presidential campaign and the master plan is to wait. according to politico, the former governor told donors will be a while before there is any official announcement of his candidacy and this time will have a smaller staff than he did, with the republican nomination in '08 and that is pretty interesting. they'll hang back and wait and see -- >> everybody is pushing off that. that is what we have heard and

what kind of car will you be driving in the future, the best ideas in america. and in fact in the world are on display and ready for review and do they pass review with the consumer? adam housely has been to the auto e show in l.a., what is the big trend? good morning. >> reporter: the big trend is electric and the last couple of years on fox we talked about electric cars and the hybrids, all the different versions, to try to help save in fuel economy and this year, really the first year you have a chance to buy some of these and a couple of years ago, it was about the chevy volt which changed its look the last three years and this year is in showrooms in november, on display at the l.a. auto show, because, onreally being the car culture, as we talk about, looking at the camaro which is not one of those fuel efficient cars but one has a lot of talk here, in los angeles, and, even so, it is all about the auto show here, los angeles, coming -- because of the california car culture and is the number one hybrid market in the country, bill and by 2016 the feds say they want all of

these cars to average 35.5 miles per gallon whether or not the standard stays in place and the car companies say they'll continue to put out these types of models. bill: they must be hearing from the consumer this is what americans want. if that is the case and we start the trend and make the changeover, when will green vehicles be in the showroom for purchase like this. >> reporter: you're right. and the expensive car companies say the same, porsche has a hybrid suv this year, and they say they are having other cars, other cars coming out with hybrids, as well and you are seeing already the nissan leave and chevy volt and ford hasek co boo -- has eke co booco-boost and, maker at the auto show was talking about the hybrids and will have something in the showrooms soon or in the hoe room by the ends of next year. bill: adam housely, back from the auto show in l.a., drive

away! thanks. martha: passengers are not the only ones fed up with security screening at airports, why pilots are ready to take on the tsa. bill: also, president obama is taking "friendly fire," and reports about an unusually mild mannered democrat, usually mild mannered, should say, ripping into the president. why it may be getting tough on the hill. for democrats and more. juan williams is in studio, minutes away. next. i'm hugh jidette. i'm running for president.

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bill: 9: bill: bed chair -- bill: fed chair ben bernanke, saying the treasury bonds were needed to boost the economy and reduce unemployment and a judge considering whether or not to toss hundreds of lawsuits against toyota ought the door, facing civil action over a defect that will cause sudden unintended acceleration and toyota says it is human error, don't blame us. 10:30 now. here's martha. martha: all right, a show down is coming on capitol hill and one of them is over taxes and the other is how the government actually spends those taxes. after 8 years of pork, republicans now agreeing to a two year ban on earmarks. democrats not on board on this. william lajeunesse is live in los angeles with a look at what it means, the pork thing, hey, william! >> reporter: martha, supporters of earmarks say it doesn't matter because they are not big

money and two, are merely symbolic and here are five reasons why they are wrong: >> this is like the change in the couch. >> reporter: earmarks are only one percent of the federal budget but $16 billion equals the median federal income tax of 6 million americans. so you'd have to fill the rose bowl 75 times, with the capacity crowd, just to pay for what congress calls pocket change. >> and the second thing they do is protect the members. you know, if you have an earmark and are safe back home that is different than the other guy taking a tough vote to cut other spending, it corrupts the budget process in a fundamental way, everybody should face the same playing field. >> reporter: sure, they encourage overspending. >> they are the gateway drug to spending addiction, once you have an earmark in a bill you are usually obligated to vote for that bill, no matter how bloated it becomes. >> reporter: a moratorium may restore voters' confidence in

congress. >> taxpayersary offended when they find out tax dollars go for tattoo removal clinics and they will not trust congress to make the difficult choices on social security, medicare, medicaid, and anti-poverty programs. >> reporter: lastly, corruption. critics say lawmakers funnel millions in taxes to companies in exchange for campaign donations. and congressmen deny they sell earmarks but watch dogs say the evidence is obvious. >> they are bought and sold by lobbyists, you are not distributing government grants by merit but often distribute them to the highest campaign contributor. >> reporter: martha, the bottom line is this: congress cannot cut the low-hanging fruit, how do you expect them to touch then tight limi -- the entitlements and, back to you. martha: we will see, william, thank you very much. william lajeunesse. >> an interview with barbara

walters and sarah palin believes she believes she can beat obama in 2012. [applause]. >> the way things are right now bristol palin could beat obama! bill: cast your vote, too. kidding. script writers have a lot to shoot at when it comes to politics. is there too much "friendly fire" coming from one side? many democrats we are told are becoming critical of the white house and lashing out in front of other democrats behind closed doors, juan williams here to talk about that, specifically a report in politico about the democratic caucus that got together and bill nelson, usually mild mannered senator out of florida. i never heard him raise his voice over anything, and, apparently he was just going after it, described as a raucous caucus. trish turner, our senate producer on the hill for fox described it more like a town hall meeting and do you know how town halls can go and we have

seen them on tape. is there "friendly fire" out there, the democrats have to deal with, especially the president. >> i think, right now, especially on the hill, in the aftermath of the midterms there is increased pressure on the white house and part of it is triggered by what is going on right now with the lame duck session, whether or not there is any direction coming from the white house, with regard to how negotiations go forward on the bur bush tax cuts, whether they'll be extended for those who make less than 250. bill: why do you think the message is squishy. when it came to health care you knew where the president stood. >> no, you knew he wanted something done but again in that circumstance is part of the problem, ceded power to pelosi and reid to corral conservative democrats and in this situation the thought was they learned their lesson and will tell us what they want and give democrats and republicans some direction. but, so far, it has been be a

sent and the president -- >> i interrupted. you said there is no message. >> no message and no direction, right now, on something as critical as the tax cut, given how sensitive it is and republicans made it the key issue and voters said they want jobs to be number june why? >> there is a sense, let's wait a while and let things cook and a suggestion, some of the publication you may have read, they are waiting on the economy to turn around, as if that will happen, as -- >> that would be a great christmas present. i don't know how it will settle the issue. >> the fed action, how long will it take for the fed action to pump more economic activity into the system, and produce more jobs. bill: back to the raucous caucus, james carville, too is talking about the failure of the white house and about a populous economic message and others expressing concern about the lack of passion from the president. do you see and feel that. >> i hear that. see, i hear that. it is about lack of direction. why don't you get out there and

sell it? make a direct commitment not only to democrats on capitol hill in terms of how they should vote and go about dealing with tax cuts or the dream act or even the budget issue, why don't you get out to the american people with a more populous voice and take on wall street, which everybody's villain, start talking about the economic difficulties and how exactly -- what you are doing, to stimulate the economy. bill: is that in his personality? >> we'll find out. because this is -- now we're coming to the heart of it. a lot of democrats are saying, do you have the fight in you? are you going to fight right now? get up off the mat and punch back or simply allow the political narrative to be carried by republicans who are trying to unseat you for 2012? bill: you wonder if the "friendly fire" if it makes it for difficult for the white house to gets the message out, and get what it wants and with regard to wall street, you can make it a villain, all you want,

and, when you look at the gm ipo -- >> if you ask the american people they think wall street are cheaters and liars and also know, you need wall street to prosper and get the economy back on track. and, obama, though, the reason you talk about populism, they want a loud, strong voice. the only hope democrats have. bill: thanks for coming in, bill o'reilly tonight, primetime. >> we're going for it. bill: martha. martha: a hollywood publicist was shot dead in her own car, we'll tell you the new clues that have folks thinking it was not a random act. bill: also the pictures telling the story, this is not the way many of us wants to start the holiday travels, has the tsa gone too far when it comes to the "junk"? >> john mica, says you bet they have. >> they miss understand the mark, even with the technology

it is misapplied and we're asking them to relook at how they are doing it and, it shouldn't be done on a random basis, but a targeted basis. bill: that was up earlier and, rick santorum says all it means is that the terrorists are winning, sanatorium, live, in three minutes. copd makes it hard for meo breathe.

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scott, when jenna joins me, democrats getting aggressive on capitol hill, pushing for several controversial measures in the lame duck session of congress, what they're political implications of what they are doing? more fallout for the tsa and enhanced security measures. being rolled out all across the nation. lou dobbs is in the hot seat, go to foxnews.com/happeningnow to get your questions in for lou. we'll see you in a few minutes. bill: jon, thank you, florida republican john mica pushes for airports to beat the tsa. there is an airport in florida doing just that already, orlando's sanford international. northeast of orlando, near the

town of sanford telling them to pack up their bags. the airport's president replacing federal workers with private security firms, he says it will lower costs and improve customer satisfaction. will it? watch that story, huh? martha: meanwhile, even pilots are fed up with the new tsa enhanced pat-down procedure thing and two commercial airline pilots are suing the federal government saying the process of this screening violates their 4th amendment right, protection against unreasonable search and seizure. michael roberts is the pilot who is suing the homeland security department, here is his reaction, about all of this, on hannity, this week: >> i have been going through the checkpoint and walking through the metal detector and not setting off alarms and the 15th, and no alarm went off and they still wanted to cop a feel and it's not about security at all. it is about the overreaching arm of the state. martha: crazy, what they are

talking about. the lawsuit asks the judge to ban body scans and pat downs as a main method for screening passengers, rick santorum says the government is giving terrorists what they want by implementing the new techniques, saying, in many respects, i see the headlines, terrorists win, and is a good subtitle to what we are seeing. the tsa has gone overboard and we heard that from congressman mica, and, mr. santorum is a fox news contributor, and i cannot believe some of the accounts i'm reading, i don't know if these are true and the latest is the woman, who says, someone was putting their hands inside her clothing, if this stuff is true and here's the crazy picture from the "denver post." what are we coming to here? >> this is what we're coming to when you have an administration who wants to not go out and

aggressively pursue the enemy for who they are. they refuse to define who the enemy is and refuse say who -- and, a catastrophic events, we know who the enemy is and we can do good intelligence and try and figure them out and it's not the airline pilot you had on, he's not the enemy, he's comes through there all the time. it's not reasonable to put him through enhanced screening. these they're kinds of reasonable measures that responsible societies do and they make choiceses. if we aren't going to make choices but we want to be politically correct... martha: i hear you. where do we go from here? where does democracy kick into the issue? people are outraged. this is ridiculous and i think people feel it is' huge umbrella effort that has no efficiency to it, whatsoever, to your point. >> what you do is go and you complain to your congressman and to your senators and do the kinds of things that are... we do all the time which is

motivate. i think this is a great moments f -- moment for the tea party, unreasonable seasorches and see zurs seizures is one of those protections, constitutional protections, if you have a probable cause and a reason to be suspicious, that is one thing but this is excessive. martha: when you talk about the terrorists winning and you see the lines at airports and people deciding i will not travel and get on a plane and coupled with the cargo situation and we're not accepting cargo out of certain countries anymore and we are locking down, we are locking down. as a nation as a result of this, and i agree, i think that is exactly what they want and that are probably laughing about this. >> think about this, martha. you can get on a train, and with any package, anything, there is no screening, nothing. you can drive a car, and -- what

we have done is we have taken the little point in america, little, little place called the airplane and blown this thing -- now, obviously, that is the -- they may try to attack us again, but the idea we'll have this enormous security fortress around airports and yet there are plenty of things at airports we don't even have good security in, and we'll be searching nine-year-olds and 92-year-olds, that is crazy. martha: and, as congressman mica said earlier, the bill, they do prison searches, you know, body cavity searches and stuff gets by them and these -- >> that is next. martha: god forbid, right? they do not pick up petn, the explosive we saw in the toner cartridges and used by the underwear bomber last christmas. it feels ridiculous. >> it is excessive and there is also better technology and it is just a simple issue, are we

willing to question people, willing to look at folks who are more suspicious. are we willing to be reasonable? and this is not reasonable. this is excessive. exposing people nude to screeners, to assaulted them with a -- you have frequent travellers and they say they may or -- there may or may not be long term impact being exposed to the radiation? for what reason. 99.999% of the people who go through the screeners will not be having anything, and the idea of exposing people to that is unreasonable. martha: i think a lot of people share your sentiment. thank you very much, always good to see you, have a great weekend. stay in the airport lines, you want -- >> the guy from the tsa said they'll back off of this. martha: i think they'll have to. bill: after thanksgiving or christmas? martha: when is that. bill: never? i'm not sure. that was his view. in a moment, martha, they are under siege in outer space. did you hear?

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martha: brand-new information in the murder case of a hollywood publicist ronni chasen. there is word the shooting may not have been a random act.

detectives suspect that she was shot from another vehicle and not from the sidewalk or the street. the 64-year-old was driving home early tuesday morning from a movie premiere when she was gunned down. she was shot five times in her chest before the car slammed into a light pole. no arrest made. this is quite a mystery bills indeed it is. martha: detectives are on it. bill: it's november 19th i'm not ready. how about the turkey. it's the season for megashopping. what is grabbing your attention the prices arrest the shopping experience. heather chlid ress is outside, what is working with the shoppers. >> reporter: the shoppers are dealing with the economy, prices definitely matter. retailers are also hoping to get

shoppers. there is a family a week before black friday camping out in front of a best buy down in florida. retailers are hoping to add to the price incentives and woo shoppers with a magical experience and get them off the streets and into the floor. hollywood-like multimedia displays. miniature robotic displays bringing hollywood tails to life and beautiful models. tis the season of the wow factor. even with the fragile economy and high unemployment according to the national retail federation americans plan to spend 2.3% more this holiday season than last year. >> that is going to be the industry average. if we exceed that that is going to be $447 billion in sales you'll see this holiday season. >> reporter: for many retailers black friday is already here, but it's not just about the deals, it's about the experience. >> you'll have to fresh-baked

cookies when you come in. our first 500 shoppers that visit guest services will be eligible for a complimentary treat. you can relax in the reskwraouf nation station. >> we want to make your shopping experience great. so when you're in the store you want to spend more time and hopefully more money. >> reporter: how is this for wow. >> we are going to randomly select a shopper every hour and give them a gift. >> reporter: however they do it to entice you to get into the stores, whether it's cost, carolers or coco, bill. bill: good luck with that heather, they can have it, and welcome to fox by the way, heather childers outside of our studios in new york city. well woman. >> reporter: thanks. martha: brand-new pictures from outer space this is not what happened outside of fox and friends today by the way. the images are from a spacecraft

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