a fox news alert a massive manhunt underway in the rugged canyons of utah for a gunman that shot and seriously wounded a state park ranger. f.b.i. and utah police joining forces in search of a canyon near hohab. officers believe they are closing in on the gunman and they found the suspect's backpack and rifle. the ranger was shot three times friday night while on patrol. he is listed lifted in critical

but stable condition. i'm gregg jarrett. >> and i'm in for julie banderas. we begin this hour with a lame duck session of congress which is not getting off to a roaring start. it's one of the biggest issues on to-do list for congress but any measure on extending them will have to wait until thanksgiving and if congress doesn't deal with it then, virtually every taxpayer will be hit with higher taxes in january. molly, republicans are saying democrats are not moving fast enough to extend the tax cuts. >> molly: the end of the year is coming and the end of the lake did you mean session is coming even faster and republicans say that from preventing taxes going up should be the first order of business.

>> plerns don't think we should be raising tacks on anybody, especially in the middle of a recession. instead of giving americans what they want, democratic leaders plan to use the last two days that lawmakers to spend in washington this year focusing on everything except preventing this tax hike which will cost us even more jobs. >> molly: there are a number of legislative items democratic leaders said they may consider including dealing with the tax cuts but also including a continue to fund government agencies and dream act which would mandate in-state tuition of children of illegal immigrants and don't ask, don't tell in the military. >> let's bet back to the tax cuts. democrats are counterering that the gop is not considering the cost of all the tax cuts. >> molly: yes, they argue, the government which is deeply in debt need taxes on wealthy,

meaning families earning over $250,000 and democrats want two votes on extending the tax cuts. take a listen. >> now, my friend senator mcconnell has offered legislation to extend them all costing 4 trillion dollars. he wants to vote on that i will be happy to arrange that but he should arrange a vote on 250, period. >> molly: republicans wanted one vote on tax cuts but they are willing to consider a compromise in how long they are extended. >> companies have to wait on see how much taxes they have to take out of employees' taxes, they are already reflecting taxes going up? >> a lot of uncertainty is out there and that is one thing congress is trying to settle before the end of the year. >> gregg: with the legislative clock ticking way in lame duck

session of congress, should president obama be more forceful or more open to compromise, maybe even compliant? joining me now is washington bureau chief, charlie hurts. they seem to be disarray on the o the tax cuts. president obama is waiting for congress to decide and democrats in congress want the president to take action on his own. here is a quote from one senate aide. white house seems ready to go along with republicans one day and then ready to fight the next said one person. is it your sense that the president is leading or following? >> i think the white house is in every bit as much disarray as democrats in congress right now. we had out of white house last week a firm commitment to sticking to this idea that they would only agree to extending

the tax cuts for those earning below $250,000 and then david axelrod, senior political advisor gave an interview that actually seemed to extend an olive branch to republicans saying they would be willing to compromise on all of them. or he did it in an assisted way that got interpreted that way. either way it was a disaster because the far left who has been opposed to extending the tax cuts whatsoever, they went berserk. white house falls back on the heels and they are back to square one in the whole debate claiming that they are only going to go up to $150,000 which was their position before they got -- $250,000 before they got pounded in the election. >> some $2 trillion that would have been infuisdz had in the marketplace has been sitting on the sidelines because businesses don't know what the tax obligations will be.

now if congress had acted a year ago, much of that money would have gone to investments and job creation. is it fair to say that the prolong procrastination by congress has done damage to the economy? >> you know i think there are few examples in recent times where we have seen an immediate clear and presentation by congress that has had a real actual devastating effect on the economy. it is exactly what you are talking about. if you talk to small business owners, all of whom are caught up in this over $250,000 tax bracket, they are literally just sitting they're having no idea what to expect next year. these people, do you talk to them, the only way you survive is never spend money you don't

have because the second you start doing that, that the beginning of the end for any small business. so you have all these people sitting there playing conservatively, of course, they are not hiring anybody. you have democrats saying we're committed to doing something about unemployment. gee, you could start there. >> gregg: right. it's not just tax but the health care law is so lengthy and financial regs law and businesses don't know what their obligations there. you would need a forklift to read that stuff. that is also compounding the felony, if you will. i want to get back to something that molly henneberg was talking about. harry reid the senate majority leader wants to vote on don't ask, don't tell and dream act and the president wants vote on

nuclear arms treaty. but millions of americans are waiting on their taxes. you are veteran washington observer, are the priorities in washington all screwed up? >> pearj the election that you and i just watched, that the whole country just watched in which democrats got severely punished based on their agenda, based on the obama agenda, they got just horrendously sent to their room, put in the corner. harry reid, none of that happened. he didn't hear a word of it. doesn't even know anything about it. you would never know that he almost just lost his own re-election. she back and he is fighting and fighting for some of the most divisive things, basically talking bones to the farthest left of the democratic party

without any regard whatsoever for sort of this message -- that no, no, we want y'all to cut the amount of money you are spending and dial back some of your agenda here and act like adults. listening to that clip that molly just showed, i don't hear any of that. >> gregg: there is a lot of tin ears back there in that building behind you over your right shoulder. look, let's assume in that building there is a vote on extending the tax cuts for everyone except those making $250,000 or more, which would mean a tax increase for the top wage earners, would that, charlie, pass or fail upon a vote of congress? >> the republicans have helped a firm line of on this, that they would not go along with that meaning so it would fail, but

would it also be a difficult vote for a lot of them. i wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see a lot of negotiating so that that sort of thing did pass. the one thing that people are fordebating to point out. if democrats go along with that they are going to upset a lot of left wing of their party. those people believe, for ten years now we have been listening to how awful those tax cuts were and how they were the destruction of this country. so for democrats to be acknowledging that the vast majority of americans have benefited from the tax cuts, that is major, major admission. they are left will punish for them. >> gregg: quick answer to this one because i'm out of time. there is another option and that would be to raise the threshold of tax cuts to one million dollars.

is that a possible compromise, is there an appetite for that sort of thing? >> i think every time you raise that amount, you make it more and more difficult for republicans to vote against it on principle. i would imagine if you put it up to a million you will see republicans cave in on their principles. >> gregg: i kind of think that is where it's heading. >> a trouble report out of alaska. air force saying evidence found at the scene of an f-22 crash indicates the did not survive. search teams recovering parts of the flight suit and the ejection seat. if he had ejected that seat would have gone with him. his jet went down tuesday night about hundred miles north of anchorage. >> gregg: iran is test firing a

missile that state run media says was successful. there is video. missile launch coming at the end of five days of military exercises, this is the biggest drill for aerial weapons sand meant to showcase iran's capabilities in defending nuclear facilities. launching another missile to o thursday saying they can hit targets at low and medium attitudes. >> nato is withdrawing troops from afghanistan next year. they are calling for a handing off security responsibility to afghan forces by the end of 2014. nato secretary promises nato will provide a supporting presence after the transition. nato spokesperson emphasizes the 2014 time line is a goal and not a guarantee. >> a deadly day in afghanistan. two homicide bomb others bicycles killing four people, engineering at least 31 others.

taliban claiming responsibility for those attacks in the eastern part of the country, one bomber detonating his explosives at a police checkpoint and second bomber blowing himself up half a mile away from the first blast. all of those killed were civilians. >> you mentioned the nato summit and sparking protests all across europe. >> lisbon, they arrested several dozen protestors blocking the roads into the summit. this was in london, thousands of people taking to the streets voicing their outrage over the afghan war. >> gregg: we're beginning to learn more about the man at the center of the high profile

kidnapping case, elizabeth smart spent nine long months in captivity. now one of the confessed accomplices, the woman on the left is taking the witness stand against her estranged husband. now our affiliate has more. >> how do you feel about the testimony. >> there were good things and there were bad things. >> she gave details about what led to the kidnapping of elizabeth smart. she testified about mitchell receiving revelations to practice polygamy. he married a woman for a week and tried to move others in front of wanda. then he received a revelation to take young girls by force. we were given the commandment to take young girls ten to 14 years old. she testified she didn't want to go through with it. if the lord didn't open the way, he didn't have to do it. i in knew that the lord is all

powerful and it was the lord's will, then he would have provided the young women. she testified he had no idea who he was going to take until he she met elizabeth smart. she sobbed on the witness stand and expressed remorse, that mitchell manipulated her. those manipulations often came through the revelations and blessings. prosecutors asked her, yes, she cried. would you have done those things without the manipulations? >> no. >> she was asked if he was a good liar. yes, she sobbed, he a great deceiver. >> to me it's heartbreaking to imagine her be caught into this belief system that he got her to believe in. i'm still shocked. >> gregg: elizabeth smart is student at brigham young

university in provo, utah. >> a powerful went storm creating whiteout cons the west coast. yikes! >> it's going to get a lot worse as we go through next couple of days. big travel day right before thanksgiving, it's not looking too good. this will continue to move east. but we do have reports of montana and columbus to the west of billings and a lot of snow across the entire region out here. we can see the big trough a and that is going to bring on some digs turns as the region and very powerful digs turns that will be dumping a lost snow around the mountains. lake tahoe picking up to three feet of snow which is good news for skiers but anybody traveling

out west, there are dangerous conditions. if you are in los angeles, there is rain out there, a flash flood watch for you folks out there. so definitely problems but otherwise, plenty of winter storm advisories spanning from northern parts of minnesota down into parts of the sierras in california. once again, several feet expected in parts of california and higher elevation will continue to move eastward heading into the next couple of days. >> that one had a lot of pink all over it. lots of snowfall there. >> gregg: he was born in afghanistan and now called america his home. how mitch the war bird made his way to the united states. >> and joan baez now out of the hospital. what was it that sent her blowing in the wind? we'll tell you.

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welcome back. here are the stories. president obama heading back to washington wrapping up his visit from portugal. air force one taking off. at the meeting they agreed to start turning over afghanistan security to the military next year. coroner releasing new details about the death of two women and 11-year-old boy in ohio. all three stabbed to death and dismembered. fda is pulling off the market prescription painkillers darvon and darvocet. they can damage the heart and lead to fatal heart abnormalities. all right animal lovers, cozy up to the tv. an period of prey finding a new home. rescuing mitch the eagle after he was the in the wing. he landed in new york and so as peter. >> a few months ago the eagle

was shot on rifle range by an afghan soldier, part of his wing was amputated but this eagle was very lucky but because the american contractor on site was scott pickman who happens to have a background in environmental science. he used his knowledge to take care of the injured bird. he told me in an e-mail he spent a significant amount of his own money to keep the eagle fed and provided him with whole chickens. he built a cage for the eagle and wanted to make sure he could some day have a better life. so he decided to do everything he could do to keep it out of the kabul zoo. he never heard back from the department of fish and game in the u.s. the only help he got was from a raptor refuge from british columbia.

after a while. new york senator chuck schumer got a permit and waiver from the u.s. department of agriculture which is hard to get. now mitch is recovering comfortably at bird paradise in upstate new york. >> he is going to be an ambassador for thousands of school children who visit here. his existence just getting here what it means to be here. these young men who saved him are true heroes. he is a war hero. they are going to hear that. >> barbara who you just heard from that mitch is doing very well and staying strong by eating a lot of ratsicles. >> how do you make that up? >> you don't know? i don't know. i'm no good with that. >> i'm glad he is doing well.

>> gregg: folk singer, joan baez is recovering after falling 20 feet from falling from a tree house in her backyard. she is out of the hospital suffering minor injuries. she was climbing down to the ground on wednesday when she fell. she said she built the tree house without walls because, she likes sleeping closer to the nature and all the birds there. the tree house without walls is her home in woodside. one of her best known songs is blowing in the wind. you can do so much with that. >> i don't mean to laugh. i am glad she is okay. but how many grownups hang out in a tree house? ing. >> it's dangerous. >> you in a tree house. pope benedict xvi is set to release a brand-new book and

possibly it may mark a new shift. new take on condoms and more and live report from rome. >> gregg: plus new airport security rules causing widespread controversy coming up. >> how can you possibly live in this country and have gone through 9/11 and not say this is a good place.

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touched by a stranger. >> reporter: not the flying experience she expected after a week long visit to florida. >> they handcuffed me and they ripped up my ticket and eventually they walked me out of airport. >> 26-year-old mclane was randomly collected to go through the full body scanner. in video, you can see her refusing a pat down explaining her concerns to tsa. they feel around your breasts and jenitalia. >> it shows her visibly upset and they brought over a supervisor that got police to escort her out. >> this was one of the first airports to introduce the first body scan and it's drawn so much public outrage that november 24 is national opt out day

encouraging travelers to refuse a full body scan. >> there should be another option. i'm not a criminal. i haven't done anything wrong. >> some of the busiest travel days, homeland security secretary janet napolitano called for patience in the face of a determined enemy. they tell fox, that pat-downs are necessary to keep airlines safe from terrorists and screener is in a separate room. >> it just seems like they have stepped backwards. >> she was able to get home by buying another ticket through airport and she passed through security without any problem. >> so now to the question -- should we, do we have a right to opt out of new body scans or does public safety trump your

rights? former homeland security under george w. bush, stewart baker and john is an attorney with the electronic privacy information center. all right. stewart, i'm going to start with you, you helped homeland security post-9/11. in your estimation are the latest measures by the tsa something that is done, as they said, to detour the enemy. is it going to work? >> yes, of course. ever since the christmas day bomber demonstrated that you could put non-metallic explosives in your underwear and carry it past our existing security measures it's obvious if we want to keep weapons and explosives off the plane we're going to have to do something new. what tsa is doing that is required by al-qaeda's new tactics. >> the president weighed in from portugal because he was asked about. this look, he is not subjected to these pat-downs because, of

course, he is the president when he flies, but he feels for the american public but he understands that tsa has be a on do. i want to turn it to john. you are an xvt on privacy, we just say no at the airport and if things go bad, what happens to us? >> you can absolutely say no to a body scanner at an airport. tsa has been explicit that every american has the right to opt out and undergo an alternative screening measure. what tsa hasn't told them it's the functional equivalent of a sexual assault, it's intense groping, it's unconstitutional and it's ineffective. body scanners do not detect powdered explosives. tsa technical specifications that the body scanners do not detect those powders. if americans want to opt out of

the body scans because they don't want the u.s. government to take a nature picture of them they have every right to do that. >> you say it's necessary but what about the argument it doesn't work? >> first i think john is encouraging people to opt out of the body scanner and take the pat down. the pat down is designed to find explosives hidden in peoples underwear so it's going to be intrusive. it's not going to be any fun. it's designed to be safe, the images, and designed that your picture can't be preserved or passed on or seen anybody that is looking at you. there is privacy protections build into the whole body imager and to encourage people to take a much more intrusive pat down is the wrong answer. tsa has disputed the argument

that the machines won't find powdered explosives. they believe they will. >> i have read that you said the fsa is out of touch, why? >> i think we do have a problem we are trying to find weapons on everybody, we're treating everybody the same and acting as though anybody -- >> what choice do we have? >> what choice do we have as individuals? sure, we'll let you opt out if you are innocent. first people would say they are innocent are people carrying an explosives. you can't give them an opt out. we could do something that looks more aggressively at certain people which are more likely to be profiled than others. using data to figure out people who ought to get more attention. we do this at the border everyday, every hour of every day and we simply ask more questions of people who have

more suspicious items interest. >> wagon is going to happen on wednesday, november 24th, this is national opt out day, to say no to the scanner to force them, don't go to the back room. get a public pat down so everybody can see what would happen. i would love to see what you have to say after november 24th, because if travelers can't get the destinations. >> i'll be in the airport that day. >> good, take a picture. >> will do. >> gregg: a major change in the vatican attitude towards condoms. pope benedict saying the use of condoms may be justified in some cases, such as stopping the spread of aids. holy father making the comments in a new book due to be published. gregg burke has more, how significant is this? >> this is important because of who it's coming from.

it was just last year on the trip to africa the pope said condoms was not solution to the aids crisis. that caused an uproar. here you saw an opening of the door to the morality and use of condoms. example he used was indicates of a prostitute that could be morally acceptable but the pope said after that, still the church does not believe that condoms are the solution to what he called the evil of the hiv infection. >> gregg: why was the hat can so reluctant to give an okay to condoms when aids can be quite deadly? >> reporter: basically the church's message is pretty simple, a man and woman who are married. anything that goes beyond that, they think basically just gives the wrong impression. even the pope's words, even a certain debated as there has

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welcome back. going on right now, what maybe the biggest investigation in insider trading. "wall street journal" is reporting that feds are looking at traders across the country that were raking in tens of millions of illegal profits by getting inside info on financial stuff. joining me is harry rady. thanks for being with us. "wall street journal" is saying the details are graphic. your first impression of the magnitude of this? >> well, if it's true, it would be an absolute disaster for the industry. i just wonder if it's a bit of witch hunt. post madoff many people have said the sec were asleep at the wheel. they are saying look at us and pounding our chest. we're to the asleep at the wheel. look at all the bad things that are happening. in general this industry that

i'm a part of, 99.99% of the participants are good honest people trying to support their families. to paint the whole industry with a brush and say that it's pervasive and widespread is very difficult to believe. >> and "wall street journal" southwest updating anybody as anything. when the investigation came out of how people made money, can you explain how it would have worked? >> sure. there are industry contacts and consultants, in any industry there are nuances to a given industry and there are specialists. so these large hedge funds and mutual funds would hire consultants to do surveys. give you an example for a retailer, they my ask a consultant to stand outside a certain retailer and take a poll of people to get a feel of how

sales are going to be. >> that kind of inside information would tip people on how to invest. we've seen this administration, president obama pass sweeping legislation to reform wall street. is there something in that reform that is going to curb potentially what could come out of this investigation that there was widespread insider trading going on, have they fixed it? >> you know, i think this industry is no different than any other industry. within any industry there are bad apples but largely this is an industry full have good, honest people. dhio it's good? yeah, get the bad apples out as quickly as possible. do i think there is different than any other industry. no. >> i will say this, this business you said is about trust and ethics, if this is true, in

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outrage over the acquittal of akmed gilani. he was convicted of one count. he was accused of killing 224 people in the bombings of two u.s. embassies in africa. a federal convict go him of counts of conspiracy. does this spell the end of all the trials including khalid shaikh mohammed. joins us is mercedes and -- this case was supposed to be the easiest of all the terror cases

which is why they tried it first. this guy killed 224 people, no, they nailed him on conspiracy charge. he was acquitted. he walked. he skates on 284 charges out of 285, does this prove that perhaps this policy of eric holder to try these foreign terrorists here in civilian courts, does it prove to be folly? >> not all a. even if you look at all the prosecution, there is a study by nyu, there is 828 civilian types of cases just like this one in the u.s. out of all of them there was 89% success rate by the prosecution. so that tells you a lot of them can be put in the jury system, in our federal judges which you know goes through tremendous vetting and the ultimately the

jurors. >> they said there are three lies, lies, damned lies and statistics. mercedes has fallen in the last category. that has nothing to do with the military combatants that was held at guantanamo. let's talk about galani and it's more than a rumor, there was one hold out juror. two-thirds majority to convict by a military tribunal. judge kaplan would not allow the key piece of evidence in this case that showed he purchased the bomb material that killed 224 civilians including 12 americans. jury never got hear that so he walked. he gets acquitted on everything but one count. that is why we need military tribunals for military combatants. >> gregg: there is a couple, i want to quote him, his lawyer praised the verdict as a reaffirmation that this nation's

judicial system is the greatest ever devised in other words, thanks for everything, suckers. i've known him 20 years and he a very skilled lawyer and he convinced this judge, no miranda rights, no search warrant, no counsel when you captured this foreign terrorist abroad, you have to throw out some of the key evidence. >> he is a great jurist but we have the faith in our judicial system. this is the bed rook of this country. that is why the forefathers created it. >> our forefathers when they were at war they tried people in front of military tribunals. when german saboteurs tried to invade the united states tried before a military tribunal. people that assassinated lincoln to help in the assassination

tried before a military tribunal. the foremasters are with me, not you on this. >> going back, 90% success rate by the prosecution. if you look at some timothy mcveigh, he was domestic terrorist. you can say -- >> wait a minute here is the problem when you capture a foreign terrorist you don't immediately read him his miranda rights, you don't go to a judge and get a search warrant before you seize the evidence that incriminates him and others. all the derivative evidence is eblgs concluded under the exclusionary rule if you confer him constitutional rights that he doesn't automatically deserve? >> yes, it goes well beyond that because the cases that her sides is talking about. by the way, i agree with you completely we've got a great justice system for domestic criminals but we're talking about people who are seized on international battlefield where we fight terrorism. i say in that situation, it's a military operation you should

have a military trial. that doesn't mean they don't get due process, cross-examination but they don't get the right that american citizens get. >> if khalid shaikh mohammed tried in a civilian courtroom aren't we going to have the same kind of results because the vast majority of evidence was obtained outside the confines of american guaranteed constitutional rights? >> different judge and different issues, there is relaxation of the miranda rights. >> khalid shaikh mohammed was waterboarded. there is no question about it. shall admitted. >> i got to leave it at that. thanks very much. >> a flight attendant, cancer survivor subjected to enhanced new security measures. what happened when she refused a full body scans over concerns of radiation exposure? stay with us.

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>> gregg: hello. i'm gregg jarrett and welcome to a brand-new hour of america's news headquarters. >> harris: topping the news, new rules for pilots. able to side step tsa's touchy new screening, but not for flight attendants. how this all affects your travel. >> gregg: and just days ahead of hibook release, pope benedict making headline, changing his stance on a sexual issue, one

the church near yielded before. >> harris: thousands of emergency responders are accepting a multi million dollar settlement. why some are pretty upset about it. >> gregg: lame duck session of congress going on right now. but the work is hdly anything but lame unless lawmakers fail to act and act fast and vote to extend some of the bush tax cuts or not at all. your paycheck could be a lot smaller in the new year. molly henneberg live in washington with more on that. hi, molly. >> republicans want democratic leaders to get to it, to tackle the expiring bush tax cuts before the lame duck session of congress ends in a um of weeks much the top senate republican says all the other legislative priorities should come second. >> this should be an easy one. the bill, the job creators and out of work americans need us to pass is the one that insures taxes won't go up, one that says americans and small business

owners won't get hit with more bad news at the end of the year. >> democrat harry reid says he has several pieces of legislation to get to during the lame duck session, including the dream act, which would mandate in state tuition for children of illegal immigrants and ending don't ask, don't tell in the military, or trying to. congress also has to pass a resolution to continue funding government agencies by december 3. as for the tax cut, senator mcconnell has proposed a measure to extend all of them. but democrats who have the majority, also want to vote on extending only some of the tax cuts likely not to families making over $250,000. >> we want to give the republicans an opportunity to vote on mcconnell's legislation and we want opportunity and maybe plural, vote, we have to do it more than once, twice, whatever it takes. >> democrats argue that the government, which is deeply in debt, needs to tax money from

those families making over $250,000. gregg, back to you. >> gregg: allall right. molly henneberg live in washington. thanks very much. >> harris: let's keep it in washington. you voted them out, now they're moving on. a number of congressional members are packing it in on capitol hill, clearing out their offices. including plenty of mementos that sparked our curiousity. we spent someone over there to check it out. >> this weekend the halls of congress look like a dump because they pretty much are before the new congress can get to work, the old congress needs to move out and this generates a lot of trash. every two years so-called office resupply locations, a fancy name for piles of old binders and papers appear in the hallways on the hill. it's all free fort taking if you still have a job in congress or if you're just starting out here. we caught up with retiring congressman patrick kennedy who is not only packing up his office, but packing up a chapter in american politics that dates

back to 1946. that's when john f. kennedy won a house seat in massachusetts. each career since then, at least one member of the kennedy family has been in the white house or congress. >> i've had months to pack this stuff up, prioritize it, label it and get it ready. in fact, i've already had a moving truck already move most of it out and that was prior to the election 'cause i already knew i was leaving. >> a lot of members not choosing to move out, but getting seated. a political transition in a messy one if you walk around capitol hill. some of the mess gets recycled. some of it shredded and the rest, for the most part, hill staffers have the job of coding everything and sending it back home. the lame duck congress had legislative work to face in its final week after the thanksgiving break, like politically tricky action on the bush era tax cuts and you need more than office supplies to do that. >> harris: julie, thank you very

much. you know what? perhaps no group suffered more midterm losses than the fiscally conservative blue dog democrats. their numbers cut in half, from 54 to 23. so what does that mean for them and for congress as a whole? let's bring in former opinion pen senator rick santorum and former texas senator, martin frost. congressman frost, i'll start with you. is the voice of the blue dog dead in your party? >> not dead, but you've got to have a number of moderates and conservative democrats elected for the democrats to have a majority. and i hope that the leadership will listen to the remaining blue dogs because we can come back, but we have to win seats in the midwest and the border south. we can't do that unless we're a big party and we'll see what happens. they play a very important role. i think they played an important role in trimming the health care bill down so that it could be

passed and it could be enacted. their voices were very valuable on that. >> harris: i remember reading how nancy pelosi, the now former house speaker, now leader of minority for democrats in the house -- i remember reading that she offered chocolates and ice cream, meeting that the president would drop by to schmooze. you wait it out. senator santorum, i'm confused to know that why is it that your party didn't want them? >> one blue dog did come over in the primary. unfortunately, he did lose the republican primary after he did come over. and there are entreaties and will be entreaties for some conservative republicans to come to the democratic side and we hope they do. redistricting might have a big role in that. what will happen in a lot of these districts where there are conservative democrats, very well could be drawn to make them even more competitive for republicans. this is an opportunity.

y'all come. i mean, there is a great opportunity for blue dogs to come to the republican party right now. >> we ought to be clear, though, about what happened. we had 9.6% unemployment and a lot of these people who lost simply lost because the president and the congress were not seen as doing enough about jobs. they didn't lose because of votes they cast. they lost because of the economy and i hope the president and the congressional leadership will focus heavily on the economy now so we can win some of these seats back. >> harris: senator, wouldn't you take more credit than that? does he have it right there? >> no, i don't think he has it right at all. look, there is no question that the unemployment rate had something to do with it. >> a lot to do with it. >> the folks in washington had a lot to do with it and they spent over a trillion dollars in new spending and really had nothing to show for it except huge deficit and expansion of government. the doubling down and jamming that health care bill through and the trillion dollars multi trillion dollars price tag, we're already in mountains of debt and seeing government

expanding too much, they were tone deaf. and they paid a price for being tone deaf at a time when people wanted action. they created private sector job, not growing government. >> harris: let's move this down the road. conman frost, i want to toss it to you how to get those independents. didn't you need conservative members in your party, fiscally member, those blue dog, even now there are only 20 of them, didn't you need them to get those independents? what do you do now? >> absolutely we needed them. and what has to happen is the president, and he has to show the leadership here and he has to get some help from the congressional leadership, they've got to speak to blue collar voters in the midwest and some parts of the south and they have to speak very clearly, not deal with a lot of this other legislation that's pending around. focus on the economy, resolve the issue on the bush tax cuts one way or the other. but resolve it so businesses can plan and then do things next year that help create jobs and also don't forget and rick may

disagreed with this, but it was the democrats and the president that saved general motors and it saved chrysler. it saved an awful lot of jobs and the democrats have to figure out other ways to build on things like that so that the american people understand that they got the message. they care about creating jobs, and these other issues can be put to the side for a while. i hope they do that. >> harris: i think it's interesting you're putting the ball in the court of the president who was at those meetings that i was talk being with former speaker nancy pelosi where they were trying to get the blue dogs to come across to their side for health care. do you really think he's going to stick his neck out for them? >> the president sets the tone. he's the one who proposes legislation. he's the one who then has to sell that legislation to the country. i think he's capable of doing this, but he's got to figure out and the leadership has to work with him. they have to figure out how do you speak to people in missouri? how do you speak to people in indiana and illinois and wisconsin and pennsylvania and minnesota, ohio, states where we

lost a lot of seats this time? i hope they figure out how to do that because the president is running for reelection and there are a lot of senate seats next time. i think the republicans are perfectly capable of nominate ago weak candidate, if they nominate sarah palin, then maybe the president gets reelected easily. >> harris: we're almost out of time. i have to give the senator ten seconds. >> every blue dog ran away from president obama. i mean, far away from president obama. so the idea that president obama is going to set the tone for the blue dog, the house republicans will set the tone for the blue dogs and i think you'll see a lot of blue dogs vote for a lot of republican proposals to survive the 2012 election. >> harris: all right. >> they may end up being crazy. they did that in 1995. >> i don't see any indication of that so far, martin. i think john boehner is doing a good job. >> harris: look at them go. senator santorum, congressman frost, good to have you both here. thank you. >> i'm sure the congressman's

remark about that republican presidential would exclude senator santorum, who could be the candidate. >> harris: he called him rick a couple times. he called him that. even i called him that. goodness gracious. i'm in trouble. >> gregg: no. all right. president obama now on his way home from portugal where he attended that nato meeting on afghanistan. but the president also took the opportunity to talk about our nation's diplomatic relationship with russia. take a listen. >> i was very pleased that my friend and partner, president of russia joined us at the council summit. together we worked hard to reset the relations between the united states and russia, which has led to concrete benefits for both our nations. now we're also resetting the nato-russia relationship. we see russia as a partner, not an adversary. we agreed to deepen our cooperation in several critical

areas, on afghanistan, counter narcotics and arrange 21st century security challenges. >> gregg: the president calling on u.s. senators to approve a new nuclear arms treaty with russia, citing former president reagan's advice to trust but verify when it comes to reducing our nuclear stockpiles. >> harris: it is secretary general announcing its forces will begin turning over afghanistan security to its military next year. with an eye sore handing over complete control by 2014? he offered this as a warning as well. >> if the taliban or anyone else aims to wait us out, they can forget it. we will stay as long as it takes to finish our job. >> harris: secretary general also saying he does not foresee nato troops in a combat role after 2014, but that depends on conditions on the ground. >> gregg: we're getting new developments in the alaska

senator race. federal judge refusing to rule over joe miller's lawsuit on ballot counting. they count misspellings on write ins should not count at all. the judge says that's a matter for state court. the same judge has delayed the state's plan to certify the election as long as miller takes his case to state court by monday. senator lisa murkowski declaring victory earlier this week. she staged a writing campaign after losing the republican primary to joe miller. >> harris: president bush putting pen to paper during a book signing. the former president at a costco in utah on friday. more than 1,000 fans lining up for hours for autographed copies of his memoir "decision points." >> my son gave me a gift of and want to know if i want to get my own gift. >> he was still our policy and he was faced with really hard

situations. >> send it to my husband. it's like a pretty big deal. >> harris: pretty big deal, she said. according to the publisher, 775,000 copies of "decision point" sold in the first week. >> gregg: the publisher of sarah palin's new book suing for pages being leaked. gawker released images of some of the book's pages early and refused to take them down at the publisher's request, claiming fair use of the material. the former alaska governor tweeting about it, saying, quote, the publishing world is leaking out of context excerpts of my book without my permission. isn't that illegal? depends. clearly her publisher believed it is. a major snow storm slamming parts of montana. that is creating dangerous driving conditions right now.

dumping up to a foot of snow before the storm winds down. what can we expect for the busy thanksgiving travel forecast? maria has more. >> it's pretty crazy out there right now. we're actually going to report of interstate 90 across parts of montana, specifically in columbus. parts of it are shut down. it's moving eastbound. a lot of dangerous traveling out there and it's not looking too good for thanksgiving and if this bad weather coincides with that until opt out day, we could be looking at major delays across the country. but currently we have this trough that's set up across the west. what this is is a broad of low pressure, and that will continue to just bring in all of these snow storms across the region and many states currently under winter storm advisories or warning or even watches around 11 of them. as we get into later tonight,

the snow levels will be dropping, lowering and that definitely means more tricky traveling out there basically from parts of the sierra mountains in california all the way northward to parts of northern minnesota and even some concerns to see freezing rain across parts of wisconsin that. will be a problem. next 48 hours, snow will continue to fall out west. looking lake tahoe, three feet of snow. not good if you're trying to do driving across this area. gregg? >> gregg: i got new skis and boots for christmas. >> looking good out here. >> gregg: yeah. put them under the tree already. thanks very much. >> harris: the new airport screening measures taking a bit of a hit from travelers, especially as millions of people prepare for the big rush this holiday week. passengers now having to go through those full body scanners or hey, look, it's your choice, you can go for the pat down procedure instead at all the airports. just ask. yesterday, the tsa announced an agreement with pilot unions,

where uniformed pilots are exempt from having to undergo the scans or pat downs every time they plan. >> gregg: a cancer survivor is describing her experience during a tsa pat down as horrific. the flight attendant from south carolina says she was forced to show her prosthetic breast by literally removing it from her bra. she refused to pass through a full body scanner over concerns of radiation. two agents took her to a private room and began what she calls an aggressive patdown. >> i did not take the name of the person at the time because it was just so horrific of an experience that it just blew my mind. i couldn't believe that somebody had done that to me. >> gregg: the tsa representative is saying that agents are not supposed to remove any prosthetic, but they're allowed to ask to see and touch any prosthetic part.

a colorado man claim to go have a brand-new solution to the current airport scanner controversy, he calls it metal underwear. the inventer, jeff, says the flexible metal pads can be placed inside a bra for women or men, a fig leaf design gives passengers a new layer of privacy. >> machine washable, easy to apply to a garment. the object is not to make money, but to protect the public, educate people and see these x-ray machines put in the dumpsters. >> gregg: he also says the underwear protects against harmful x-rays. no word from the tsa so far on that, but the feds insist the scanner machines, pose no radiation risk. i think if you feel the metal, you're still going to ask to see

it. >> harris: although the artwork was good. >> gregg: yeah, i like the fig leaf. i wonder how that feels. >> harris: los angeles police cracking down on costumed characters roaming hollywood boulevard. in a separate story, i might add. now someone is telling them to back off. who is coming to the rescue of the super heros? next.

>> gregg: welcome back. a look at the headlines, nato agreeing to start turning over security control to afghanistan beginning next year. nato aiming at complete handover to afghan forces by the end of 2014. rescue operations on hold for 29 miners who may be trapped in that new zealand coal mine. tests are detecting methane gas, making it much too dangerous for crews to enter inside. there has been no word from the workers since the explosion thursday and a threatening letter containing a mysterious white powder mailed to the "dancing with the stars" set. the statement from abc saying the f.b.i. believes the powder was talcum powder.

but it has been sent for testing. >> harris: you can't make this up. a judge now ordering the lapd to lighten up on the city's -- this really needs to be in quotes quarterback quarterback super heros. saying costume clad characters like elmo should be able to perform for tips without being harassed. our los angeles affiliate reporter has more. >> people come from all over the world and they say, tom cruise maybe. to this woman visiting from russia and members of the concordia college women's basketball team, this guy is -- >> hot. >> hollywood characters are what tourists expect to see along hollywood boulevard. all the characters, most of whom make money from taking tips for having their pictures taken with

fan, felt targeted by police. after months of laying low, they're back at it. >> they gave me a one hour warning. >> what did you do? >> i stayed for an hour and left. >> did you have trouble with the police? >> i did a couple times. >> what happened? >> i was charged with loitering on a public sidewalk. >> tough at the point of having no money? >> today move in with a friend. that changed when a federal judge slapped a preliminary infunction on the lapd, preventing selective enforcement. costume or number, if someone is loitering, panhandling or blocking the sidewalk, they say they'll get busted. okay. back to arena, dying to find out if that really is tom cruise. >> smile really nice, but i don't think it's him. but i would love it take a picture. >> just this week, he says he did pretty well. made over 200 bucks in three hours of posing. >> what's the moral of the story? >> the moral of the story is we're back, guys! >> harris: that was hal eisner.

>> gregg: i'd rather have my picture taken with sponge bob than tom cruise. >> harris: i didn't know he was a super hero. >> gregg: got a kid who loves to text? there is a new study out that says texting at a certain time of the day could be very harmful for them. can you figure that one out? we'll tell you in case you can't. and this is no lol matter.

>> harris: the bottom of the hour, time for the top of the news. president obama headed home after meeting with nato leaders in portugal. earlier he said, quote, it's hard to anticipate our exact role in afghanistan and what it will be beyond 2014. >> gregg: a former u.s. senator throwing her hat in the ring trying to become the next mayor of chicago, carol moseley-braun,

entering an already pretty crowded field that includes former white house chief of staff, rahm emanuel. >> harris: from the big screen to the big house, actor wesley snipes ordered to surrender to authorities and begin serving his three-year prison sentence for tax-related crimes. >> gregg: there is a big headline involving the leader of the roman catholic church, pope benedict, now saying the use of condoms can be justified in some cases. a pretty stunning comment considering church teaching has long opposed condom use. greg berk is streaming life with more. despite the headlines, pope benedict has not exactly given a green light to condoms, has he? >> gregg, that's right. it's really more like a big flashing yellow. it was just a couple of years ago, early last year when the pope said he didn't think condoms were the solution to the aids problem in africa. he said they made it worse. that caused a real uproar. here today in excerpts in his book which is going to come out next week along q and a, the

pope did open the door to the use of condoms, although it was very specific to certain circumstances. he spoke specifically about prostitutes where it might be morally illicit where they made use of the condoms in order to stop the spread of aids, but he said immediately after that, he said that does not change catholic teaching which does not think that condoms are the solution to hiv/aids. >> gregg: you certainly know catholic procedure quite well. what's the next step here? a position paper from the vatican? >> well, this is going to be very interesting. it's going to spark a lot. this was important what the pope said, but obviously he didn't say enough. it's not a position paper. what it's going to do is spark a big debate among the theologians and the people who have already been talking about it and people who think it is legitimate for wider use of condoms to fight aids, will, of course, have strong ammunition on their side of what the pope said in this

book. so we might valley see that position paper, although they once formed a commission, some of the top people here, to deal with it and they were never able to come up with an actual conclusion. this may help them along that way. >> gregg: all right. almost midnight there in rome. greg, thanks so much. >> harris: in sending your kids to bed, it should be lights out, gadgets off. so takes a new study from a college of physicians. >> gregg: it's finding that texting, surfing the net or even playing video games right before going to bed makes it a whole lot harder for kids to fall asleep at night. joining us now, dr. ablow, a member of the fox a team and a psychiatrist. great to see you. >> thank you. >> gregg: do you believe this? is it true? >> listen, i believe it, but not based on this study. the study was 40 kids looked at

over months and months retrospectively. what were your sleeping habits like months ago? it's a small sample size and doesn't say listen, these gadgets cause the sleeplessness. it could be the kids who can't sleep and who have attention problems tend to use these electronic devices during the later night hours. so it didn't say it caused it. but i believe it does. >> harris: the study also found that students were sending about 35 texts right before they were going to bed engaging in stimulating activity could further raise their stress level. couldn't you say that about anything? i mean, it's not just texts. >> you could, except listen, i think there are unique things about the electronic media and particularly texting, that are unique. one of these is that it's rapid fire. it may be that it's engaging our brains in a way that does make it really tough to get the kind of quiet that would allow you to drift off into sleep and not worry about anything.

and so in this case, as it was said so many years ago in the book "the medium is the message," this particular medium may be toxic, not the content so much as just literally the way you're moving your thumbs, the way your eyes are track along the screen, that might interfere with sleep. >> gregg: talk to us a bit more about short-term and long-term psychological problems that may be induced or caused by this. >> i think short-term it models behavior and so it's inescapable that if that's the way we're communicating, through these short sentences with lots of abbreviations, with newly formed words that didn't exist before, lol, which was in the lead up to this story. >> gregg: omg. >> omg, exactly. that that sets the tone for our human interactions, that that creates an expectation, that sitting with someone and really listening and dwelling on their thoughts might be outmoded in a

certain way. wouldn't that be sad? longer term, what we may have is a kindling of attention deficit frustration with people who can't put their thoughts together in quick fashion and an expectation that should be the case when, in fact, some of the richness in human communication comes from that meandering, looking off into the distance and really thinking. >> harris: i want to focus a little bit on something that i know millions of americans struggle with and that is a lack of sleep in general. the study looked at ages 8 to 22, which is relatively young when you talk about sleep problems. how do you see this as impacting them on down the line? >> i call sleep the final common pathway. if your sleeve isn't well regulated, if you can't get healthy sleep, it's very tough to keep your mood up, to keep your attention up, to keep depression at bay. and so i think it's tremendously important. if this is, in fact, found, and it could be found to impair sleep, and these kids also in the study, it was found that a

large number of them are awakened more than once during the night by electronic sounds, whether that's another message coming through or it's a reminder that you've set on your schedule and it's coming on at 4:00 a.m. instead of 4:00 p.m., whatever it might be, that, too, can be intrusive and if you're waken up more than once during the night when your body isn't looking for that, that can make it tough the next day and for days thereafter. >> gregg: dr. ablow, interesting stuff. thanks so much for your insight. >> thanks. take care. >> gregg: i can sleep anywhere, any time in a moment's notice. >> harris: i know. 'cause usually when i'm talking to you, your head hits the desk. >> gregg: yeah. i pay attention to you. >> harris: yeah, right. the dog didn't eat his homework. the dog ate his passport and it ended up ruining a honeymoon. sarah underwood with our boston fox affiliate has the details.

>> moses loves to eat. >> earrings, watering cans. >> it turns out the two-year-old bassette hounds enjoys feasting on passports as well. eric made the grim discovery two days before he and his new wife took off for their honeymoon in mexico. >> there was a few bite marks and nothing really went through. >> fort anyily the photograph and bar code remained intact and the newlyweds were able to pass through security checkpoints at logan with relative ease. >> at every step of the way, they kind of looked at it and laughed and like, what happened to your passport. and i said, my dog ate it and they kind of chuckled. >> but dreams of enjoying mark ritas at the mayan riff yarr i can't were dashed when they reached cancun. it seemed immigration officials there were not impressed with the condition of his passport. the dog ate my passport excuse wasn't funny to them. >> one of the supervisors there

working came over and said, this is unacceptable. you're going to have to leave. >> within 25 minutes of landing in mexico, the couple was back on the plane, headed back to logan, all because of sweet moses and his taste for the finer things in life. >> this isn't the first time moses has eaten something valuable and it's not going to be the last. we just need to keep things off the floor if you have a young dog. >> harris: that was wfxt, sarah underwood reporting. or keep him on a leash maybe. >> gregg: yeah. watch what he eats. college football fans will see a very unusual side if they watch today's northwestern-illinois game. first of all, the game is being played on one of the most famous baseball fields in the world, yeah, you know it. and both teams will run all their offensive plays in the same direction. there were concerns players could hurt themselves if they used both end zones. one of them comes right up against the wrigley field brick

wall. talk about running into a brick wall. i wonder how that worked out? don't you think somebody who organized this would have said, hey, maybe this isn't a good idea to have a football game at wrigley? >> harris: i can't imagine what the conversation was like, the brick wall. piracy making all kinds of headlines the past couple of weeks, including news of the release of that british couple that was held by pirates for more than a year. why pirates are still such a huge problem in this day and age.

>> harris: if you have a little bit of a lead foot, you might want to race over to apple. now there is an app that let's you turn your iphone into a radar detecter. it alerts drivers to speed traps, red light cameras and dangerous intersections. the iradar costs 170 bucks. but drivers are giving mixed signal sos far about it. >> i would buy it. sure. i wouldn't think about getting it. >> why? >> it would save me some

tickets. >> anyone who has been here knows exactly where they're going to see a problem. these things don't move. 170 is really steep. >> harris: he sounds serious. the radar detector plugs into an iphone using the blu tooth connection and internet services. >> gregg: sounds like a good idea. let's talk about somali pirates. they have been running amuck tub sure over the last several months boarding and firing on dozens of ships in their corner of the world, killing at least one crew member, wounding 27 more and taking hundreds of hostages. why hasn't international law been more effective in dealing with the problem of piracy? a research fellow and director at the hoover institute joins us live from -- that's got to be san francisco. thanks very much, david. it's stunning to me that in the 21 entwhistle -- 21st

century we still have pirates. are they feckless in trying to stop it? >> ironically, a lot of international law began in an effort to stop pirates. hundreds of years ago, as you say, here we are in the 21st century and we still have hundreds of pirates that we don't know what to do with. >> gregg: what's the deal? are some countries worried about human rights violations and so forth? >> there is a myriad of legal problems. one, as you mentioned, a lot of european countries are nervous about even capturing them and trying to bring them to trial, so they engage in what we call catch and release of pirates. and yes, they are afraid of violating human rights treaties. there is the problem of possible asylum if they get into your country, and then a lot of countries simply don't have courts that are very well set up to deal with it. >> gregg: here is a question, must a pirate literally board another ship or take control of it to be legally guilty of

piracy? is that in other words, another legal obstacle for prosecutors? >> you raised the very question that was asked in norfolk, virginia courtrooms a little while ago. there were two different pirate cases there in norfolk, one federal judge said the answer to your question is yes, that at least the american law piracy requires you actually get on board and plunder, take something from the ship. the other federal judge, two floors up said no, we think piracy law has evolved, so i'm going to let the trial go forward, he said, even though in this case, the pirates never actually got on board or took anything. >> gregg: then you got a bunch of other problems. you got jurisdictional problems with diversity of national registry and ownership of ships and their cargo. and then you got the problem of, well, what about all of the witnesses that you've got to bring in from foreign countries, international waters and the collection of evidence. if they're going to be tried in civilian courtrooms, there are rules of evidence that has to be

followed, chain of custody, for example. >> right. we're seeing that this week. this week the first u.s. piracy trial since the 1800s began in norfolk and a lot of the problems you describe are going to be seen there and we have another trial starting monday in germany. i think maybe one answer to this -- and it's been suggested by several, but nothing has really been done -- we may actually have to set up a special criminal tribunal to handle these piracy cases. there are a huge burden, kenya tried to set one up, but they've been overwhelmed by the number of cases. we may have to set up a special international tribunal to handle these because they do cause some real problems. >> gregg: in addition to that, to the victims of piracy have to start drawing a line and say, wait a minute, we're gog stop paying the ransoms here. we realize that maybe it's more cost effective to do that. it's part of the cost of doing

business, but what we are doing in the long run is we're just aggravating the situation and indeed accelerating acts of piracy? >> we estimate maybe $100 million of ransoms has been paid in the last year or so. just earlier this month, south korea shipping company made a 9 1/2 million dollars ransom. you just do the math. putting together one of these pirate and operations cost $25,000. they figure they've got a one in three, one in four chance of succeeding. so you're absolutely retirement as long as we keep paying these huge ransoms, that money will draw people into what they view as a profitable business there. >> david davenport of the hoover institute, joining us live from one of the most beautiful places on earth. san francisco. thanks very much for being with us here. >> thank you. >> harris: thousands upon thousands of people spent months

down at ground zero. now some of those workers are sick. you know a lot of their stories and they have just accepted a settlement. we'll introduce you to one of them who says it was a very difficult decision.

>> gregg: in the days and months after 9-11, thousands of construction workers, police officers and firefighters combed through the rubble of the world trade center seeing things that no one should ever have to see and now many believe they have become sick from the ash and soot they inhaled. 95% of them have just agreed to a massive settlement. dan bowen with our new york fox affiliate has the story of one of them. >> i live day by day. >> there is something gabriel hasn't been able to do during the last two years. >> it's five years, i can't bring flowers to my mother's grave 'cause i can't pull the ticket. >> he's one of those heros made to feel helpless after cleaning up debris at ground zero and getting sick because of harmful ash and soot. >> i got emphysema. >> he spent a half million dollars on bills. it's one reason he decided to join with the 10,000 plus

workers, police officers and firefighters who recently agreed to a settlement with the city. it clears the way for payments of at least $625 million. they sued saying they were not given the proper equipment to protect themselves from the toxic dust. >> it was our decision because i don't want the money. what i want, i want my medical. >> a difficult decision that ends with difficult two years litigation process attorney high school to convince 95% of those who sued to agree to the deal. >> we had heros pitted against heros in this very complex litigation. the workers who came down and worked and handled the rescue and the recovery and the debris removal against the city and the contractors who answered the call and got new york up and running. >> workers will receive anywhere from $3,200 to more than $1 million depending on the severity of their illnesses. but gee know hopes it will be enough to pay his bills with enough left over to settle just one more thing.

>> i'm going to bring flowers to my mother and come back. >> gregg: that was dan bowen reporting. >> harris: this is coming in, more on that mining disaster that's playing out. this time in new zealand as rescue efforts are underway for 29 miners, new word of a fire burning underground and that is not all. >> gregg: on a much lighter note, if santa has electronics on his gift list this year, the best televisions out on the market this holiday season, we'll have that for you coming up next. i'm in the market for one of those things. >> harris: you can get a flat screen for almost nothing now. >> gregg: is that right? >> harris: yeah. >> gregg: then you won't mind buying me one. >> harris: hold your breath. thank you for joining us. rick folbaum and juliet had you hadry are standing by. i'll see you at 7:00 p.m. eastern. >> gregg: have a great evening, everybody.