>> live and at large even madam secretary objects. >> everybody is trying to do the right thing. >> madam secretary -- >> i understand how difficult it is and how offensive it must be for the people going through it. >> final question. my time is up. would you submit to one of these? >> not if i could avoid it. no. i mean who would? >> passengers routinely humiliated saturday night said it all. >> feeling lonely this holiday

season? looking for a little human interaction? you want to feel contact in certain special places? >> why not go through security at an airport. >> faa ain'ts are ready and standing by to make you feel thankful about this holiday season. >> the man who made el al the most safest airline and how political correctless makes our security a joke. plus... >> we were going to bed at 12:50. it's tragic. it's really tragic. >> the hit in beverly hills. >> i think getting a substantial i mean substantial reward, i think that would be probably the best way of getting to the bottom of this. >> how high do you think the reward gos in>> i think a million dollars is obtainable

under the circumstances. >> tonight we investigate. who killed the pr lady to the stars? and. and...>> very hard for me to talk to. >> you didn't listen to me then i wanted to -- tell me what happened? let me take her home. >> her mom chases the killer to a peruvian jail. >> it is agonizing to not have answers. that is the most difficult journey that any parent can endure is the not knowing. >> has her mystery been solved? >> they took a walk on the beach and on the beach they found this and brought it to the lobby the front desk. the police were called in. everything indicates this bone might we will be that the natalee holloway. after all of the holloways

endured investigating whether natalie has been found. and... he want my old mtv. >> this is an unusual case it was played out in front of television cameras. we will to be carolful and kind of be cautious along the way because we wanted to make sure sand that is why we sustained the unedited version. >> as he investigates amber beating up garrett. >> you don't talk to my mom like that, you hear me? >> why did tracy what can him and sherry against kim. >> get your (bleep) hands off of me bitch. >> tonight maybe it's the reality producers who should be criminally charged. and up front tonight, is that your carry on or are you just glad to see me? >> spending time with a tsa agent cou couldn't be easier.

book a flight departing any american airports one selected for a full body scanner they know you will be pulled aside by a tsa agent and that's when the fun begins. >> welcome to the show everybody. i am geraldo riverivera. this is a fox news alert. we must raise our voices clear and strong and tell the government to stop on trambling on our rights as free american citizen a posting from a traveler. as millions prepare to take to the slides this holiday week many are threatening boycotts of those full body scanners that are causing such creepy discomfort and outrage among the flying public even as the president and others weigh in on the transportation security administration's massive escalation. but don't expect the tsa to back down any time sosoon>> geraldo e

tsa chief says he knows holiday travelers are findersing new airport screening connect neeks invase i have and uncomfortable. he has no plans to make any changes. >> i am very attune given all of the concerns that have been raised to answer this question directly no we are not changing the policies because of that because of the risks that have been identified because of the current threat. >> he says if you don't set off the regular metal detector you won't be subjected to the new body scanners or pat downs of that some describe as a groping. t president obama says these measures are the only ones they consider effective against the threat like the underwear bomber. critics argue treating them like criminals they want better checking of documents and using body scanning machines that

don't reveal quite so much of your figure. >> we can do a better job than this and protect people without destroying the values that we are trying to protect. >> security ry of state hillary clinton told nbc she is sure security experts would like to diminish the impact on travelers but we are dealing with terrorists who are adammitable and willing to die in order to kill americans. geraldo? >> given these terrorists are intent these days on inflicting economic damage on the united states as much as physical damage here's the question. does this huge new inconvenience extremely expensive inconvenience to the flying public represent a victory for al qaeda? let's have senator rick van tore rum of pennsylvania and congressman joe sestak. add merle start with you. is all of this escalation a vik

victory for the bad guy? >> absolutely not. head of terrorism unit after 9-11 and i think the cost after 9-11 not the psychic value but the tangible impact on all of us because we didn't have the appropriate means out there to defend ourselves is something we have to understand before 9-11 we like the wars overseas now we have a home game. i would very much want my daughter nine years old to be able to floi on a plane knowing that those two million passengers every day are appropriately screened to make sure something like the underwear bomber can't. some people call for profiling or how about the fellow who was a young asian got on an airplane described as an elderly senior caucasian slipped right throw. we need to use the best technology, give people the choice you can go right through it or you can have this pat down in order to secure our own

airways for our people. >> before i get to the senator admiral one follow up question. none of this new gizmos would have stopped the 9-11 bombers. they had little carpet cutters in their carry on luggaluggage. they could have walked through ten body scanners we never would have stopped them unless somebody figured out you had four young guys coming from the same places in some kind of profiling was happening no device would have stopped 9-11. >> you make my point geraldo. what tsa is trying to do is get ahead. if we had this technology it should have caught the under wear bomber. what can we think of to be ahead of the adversary until we can defeat them truly defeat them overseas. that is what this is about. i don't want any politician to try to tell us they think there can be a smarter way to do it. show me what it is.

that would have stopped the underwear bomber. >> let me have senator santorum respond to you on the lack of need of profiprofiling. >> hi joe. what we need is common sense. unfortunately we have political correctless not common sense. the common sense approach that it is as you mentioned in the report is if a young man the asian man dressed up as a young man -- old man goes through you ask questions of people. you ask questions routinely of people randomly as people maybe. you talk about what el al does in israel and if someone looks like they are someone who might be and that is you want to call it profiling, i will call it -- if we are being attacked by people who are in their teens, 20s and 30s and they are in a certain area of the world yes those are the kinds of people we

have to step aside ask questions. if they don't answer the questions properly you do a more complete thorough job of a scan or a pat down. to do this as a routine measure is silly. it is wasteful. it is economic damage to this country. it is an invasion of people's space and prooifr see for no real good reason. there are better ways to do this that are less invasive more economical and we should be pursuing those. >> admiral you know i love you but i have to side with the senator. 15 seconds of rebuttrebuttal. >> what happens when al qaeda recruits a senior caucasian woman what happens when the elderly man happens to be someone. 30 years out you don't ask them the kind of questions by tsa employees who aren't even trained to do that. walk through the tunnel of truth and it let's you know if they have got something m hidden you

are der detected by metal. >> senator thank you so much. congress man thank you as well. >> great to be with you both. >> we have more on the outrage including the architect as senator mentioned with el al's security class system. we will have my modest suggestions of how it mitt gates it. up next no joke reality show violence finally reaching the level of a felony. also the latest from aruba and whether the jawbone is really natalee holloway. back in a moment. gnç@

>> this is going to be the best party ever. >> three cases of domestic violence battery one which is a glass c misdemeanor and two that are in hands because the battery took place in front of the 1-year-old daughter. >> talking about mtv teen mom amber portwood. she is been charged with two felony accounts of domestic violence after attacking her baby's daddy in front of their one-year-old and all of it later aired by mtv this last week which just released a totally wimpy statement mtv did saying we are cooperating with all parties and hope for a quick and fair resolution that allows everyone involved to move forward in a positive manner, end quote, whatever. it is their own responsibilities in setting those kids up it's raw unprincipaled but the ted casablanca thing the star of e on-line the awful truth joins us

from los angeles. >> hey geraldo. >> they have been around since the real world or the loud family back in the day back in the 70s to a certain extent. it seems so programmatic now almost expected of these kids to act out in this way. >> of course. producers want something really bad to happen. they want it to be this bad? i don't know. it sounds like it because they don't sound very apologetic. this is dynamic that has been building for a long time. go back to the hills or even john and kate plus 8. you can have people who hate each other and you know the producers are expecting something volatile to happen. suddenly something really violent has happened and it is too far. they should be prosecuted. it is symptom tick violence and should not be allowed. let me quote from amber portwood's facebook fan page quote, i think everyone needs to

mind their own business. you have seen me on tv. that's not really what happens. all of you are to believe everything you see gary and i are happily together with lia i guess that's the baby in a new place. >> they really look happy, don't they geraldo? >> delighted. >> the problem is when you have these children involved obviously for the kids it's not -- first of all they have the drama of a huge production team living with them staking out their house 24/7. but then you have the violence the kid doesn't know whether it's real or fake. i think there's an epic of child abuse here. i think this amber poportwood i righteously charged. >> i absolutely agree with you geraldo. i have been saying this since john and kate plus 8. i would would say it's the same dynamic going on. you mentioned the production crews they are trying with all of the camera crews around they

are having a bad day you can't do that with all of these cameras around. i think we get into a bad situation of interfering with young kids growing up and trying to have normal lives. >> i think these producers should be charged as accessories to felonies like this. they were there they watched the whole thing evolve. i am out of time i have to move on. the silence is deafening. they have had this human jawbone since tuesday. they almost certainly know whether it belongs to natalee holloway the latest after this. 7

>> after five days of examinations the answer to that question is a maybe not a no is i think the biggest development as the cold case we have been following closely in years. bo deedle welcome. quote i am happy that it is human. the initial finding is it is a woman. maybe we will be able to sol of

the case i hope so. we will wait to see what the findings are. i think it's real. >> i have been involved in this case from the beginning. i hope they have closure like anything a skull a piece of goen, people looking for pieces of bone so they can bury it. what we have to do is crush if it's existing tooth they crush that down and put it into the dna, but they have to break it down. >> l will the me talk to michae biden about that. >> also my theory was he put her in a boat and through her off a boat. a lot of barracudas. now pieces of the bones could be floating up. we are hoping we get final closure of this thing. we know a creep did it now we have to get closure on it. >> here's what the family said. we talked to dave holloway the

dad he's hunting this weekend. we talked to them yesterday. this is the statement from the family from bette publicist there is no good answer whether it is natalie or whether it isn't but no answer at all is the most unbearable. we appreciate everyone's loving care and concern and are anxious about the developments. michael bake boy michael biden he has been in hole ra holland for several days asked for more electronic efforts more if physical evidence. >> bow is railroaded in high-tech with the dna but the low tech dental x-rays our dentistses take of us is like a finger print of the individual especially if there's a tooth involved because the tooth socket as well as the tooth are unique for everybody. also the jawbone can't be

confused with any other bone from any other animal. >> it is not a dog bone. >> not a f fish orb dog unique especially if there's a tooth in it. they know the aruban police should have known and certainly in holland they know whether or not it matches natalee. >> they would know if it's a young lady as well? >> they can. that's a little more tricky. the young lady and the race can be told from the jawbone but you have to have a god forensic anthropologist involved to get all that. the dna x-rays will immediately identify. >> dr. baden thanks. hold on beau you have a situation here let's say its her. you link it to him very difficult. beginning of a case not the end of the case. >> it would be the same thing we tried to prove he was involved. they screwed up the case in the

beginning with evidence and all that. most important thing again you are a father for that family to be able to bury something, something that is their daughter they could bury and have closure on. >> not worry she is a hooker and sex slaifr>> with all of the theories we all came up praying she was still alive now at least you know you have closure. >> the good thing is he's in jail because of the stephanie ramirez murder wrap. he is not going any place. a super max 19th century prison. >> it would be a perfect place for him to meet his denimise wi peruvian pell laws. he is not a nice person. we know he killed that woman in peru. >> stef knee ramirez and her dad is a totally connected guy and this would be a perfect ending. let's have closure for this family. bo deedle thank you as always.

thank you dr. baden. huge story out of hollywood. was it a hit that rubbed out the most popular publicist in the most posh neighborhood. will a million dollar reward shake lose some crook's con. the fix of the security mess at the airport. all of that after this.

prosper. now back to rale geraldo. >> we don't have crimes like this in the city of beverly hills. it is sufficient surprise to us we dover any motive or suspect information. that's why it's imperative for anybody who is out there to give us a call. we could use the public's help. >> they buried the publicist to the stars ronny chase sen laid to rest in memorial park where she joins other tinseltown luminaries like milton burl, it was a capacity crowd that had

every power player most deeply shaken by the murder that remain as troubling mystery. who killed ronni chase en. >> detectives are working around the clock trying to ascertain what happened to ronni chasen from the time she left the theater tore the time she was found dead in her vehicle in beverly hills. >> having just left the glitzy premiere of burr less can she drove her blackmer said towards her residence? beverly hills. >> people come from all over the country expect to go see glamor and glitz. hollywood boulevard where we are now it's probably one of the sleaze iest places in america. >> he knows about the dark side of hollywood. once employ bide infamous pi to the stars anthony pelacano doing

time for explosives and wire tap charges he provide security for a list celebrities frightened by the murder. >> from this theater to sunset where she was murdered is 6.1 mriels. she made the phone call at approximately 12:22 which would have been in this particular area right here where we are now. >> with no known motive for the 64-year-old publicist's brutal murder speculation is wide open. >> i fear i should possibly someone was behind her hasn't moving fast enough upset them and they decided they were going to follow they a her and wait f opportune time to exact revenge. >> exacting revenge is another theory in the controversial statement. >> ra random killing will not

happen like this five shots in the chest area and it seems like it was just a random killing. to hear that someone has been brutally murdered like that was so unpecunexpected and shocking are not prepared to react to that. >> richard and lilly zanic have known ronni for decades they credit her for helping them win their oscar for "driving miss daisy." >> we do know where hollywood is a place where millions of dollars are invested in these movies but do you think there is any connection that might have caused someone to cause her harm? >> i don't think so. i don't. >> if this is a hit it is a mistaken identity hit. >> to show how on edge the residents of beverly hills are police were called when we came

to the scene where ronny chasen's vehicle came to a rest after she was shot. obviously people are upset and scared and the police in beverly hills are on high alert. >> $100,000 reward has been offered for information about the shooting but chasen's high powered friends say that reward could go much higher. >> i think getting a substantial and i mean substantial reward and i think that would be probably the best way of getting to the bottom of this. >> how high do you think the reward will go? >> i think a million dollars is attainable under these circumstances. >> investigators on tuesday ceased computers from chasen's firm. beverly hills cops s say that's standard procedure. they canvassed the neighborhood

for surveillance video. they may have captured the brutal murder or events leading up to the shooting. more details expected this week. >> i heard everything from targeted killing to random killing to road rage. >> she was shot five times. road rage fires a shot fur going to start yelling at somebody. you have a lot of gang initiation. you laugh about it. >> i am not laughing. >> go to beyrle hills and get one of those rich people and shoot her then you will get into the gang. >> that that's what manson told followers that hasn't happened in a long time. >> i used to investigate homicides for a living you have to track dpoun everything. >> publicists aren't that well loved. >> not loved but to bump five shots into the woman as a hit? i don't know. i would look at every aspect of you have to see who the enemys are track that down but also with gang intelligence you have to finds out what was going on

with the gangs again. they are very influential. >> beverly hills is not their usual turf. i am glad they ceased the computer. >> diamond not close to ronny chasen but a rival. you know her. first of all do you want to comment on her untimely demidem? >> the whole thing is kinds of strange. when i heard about it i didn't know her that well, but i certainly know a lot of other publicists very well and i sort of would have thought i would not have been that surprised at some of the other ones. >> i hate to bring in dark humor here. so she had envy, clearly. >> hey, obviously we live in a land of make believer. this wasn't make believe any more. this really, really happened. you know what they say it's the only town in the world you could

die of encouragement. she has very sensitive and delicate information about somebody, and somebody was a little ticked off and it happened. >> craig what's your -- >> i don't think it was a random hit. >> craig, what's your vote? >> it would have been a difficult hit to me considering the fact that this car has very small windows that would have had to have shot out of a passenger side into those windows down. they are saying the bullets went down into her car. >> they are saying it was a larger car like an suffer shooting down into the mer kadz drivers window? >> exactly. >> all five shots hit. >> all five shots hit from sunset boulevard she would have had to drive quarter of a mile to a rest. flooes a lot of questions that haven't been answered by police. they are holding that evidence trying to find out who the perps

really are. >> the problem is when you don't have a clear motive you are all over the place unless the electronic search comes up with a lead it could be one of the unsolved mysteries. >> beam are angry people threated tenned her. when you are all finished with everything then you have to use the variables. >> a million dollars can loosen a lot of>> all of a sudden a million dollars my friend knows about somebody that whacked somebody in beverly hills. a million dollars will make a lot of people talk. >> the beverly hills police department is urging any one with information on this crime to call the detective tip line. the number is 310-288-2656. i will say it again. 310-288-2656. did you folks know the former

head of homeland security represents the very company that stands to make ten's of millions of tax payer dollars installing high-tech full body scanners in our airports? former heads of home lands security he is making money from the dam machines. that and other outrages after this.

>> this is much more about money than it is about security. the home lands security michael chef to have represents rap stan the company which is selling these scanners to his former department. far too many federal contracts are sweetheart insider deals. companies hired former high ranking federal officials and magically those companies get hugely profitable federal contacts. >> doesn't that make you mad? here he is in the flesh live via satellite from knoxville, tennessee john duncan republican ranking hem of house committee on highways and transit. welcome congressman. well said on the floor. let me bling in juan williams who joins us from dc tonight. congressman that is absolutely maddening. i call them anti-terror pimps. since 9-11 there has been a whole lass of people who have been enriched by feeding on our para now yaw and fear. body scanners to me a classic

example. >> i think you are exactly right. a university of pennsylvania professor wrote to one of the capitol hill mu newspapers saide fight against terror had been funding corporations and others and he said the spending now far exceeded the threat. what i have said repeatedly we need to have more balance and common sense and we need to come to our senses and realize people are trying to make big money off of this and what we need to do is -- i know there are people all over this country probably half of the people who any time you say something is for security they are going tore fob it no matter how wasteful or needless than this but people all over the country are upset about the scanners and i think there should be.

>> that's a separate issue. sticking on the obscene money these machines cost. i was in iraq in an isolated -- no it was afghanistan last april with the marines sitting in this operating base in the middle of this dust strewn field with a radiation detector wasn't plugged into anything sitting in the corner had canvas over it. you could watch it deteriorating i think it's absolutely the scam of our times. i am glad to see the republicans should get democrats shaking up up on their side. the initial contract was 175 million on the body scanners. >> they have already approved for up to $300 million i think the plans are for 1800 scanners by the year 2014. i think gur to

you are going to see thousands more because you are going to see almost every federal department agency you are going to see these in almost all of the federal buildings. i think people have legitimate concerns about getting these full body doses of radiation. i chaired the aviation subcommittee for 6 years so i know there are millions of frequent flyers who go through these airports twice a week on average and i think there should be concerned about it and then also the parents are concerned about unrelated adults groping or touching their children. >> image a guy touching my 5-year-old i will what can him and probably get arrested for it. >> how many times a week do you ply? >> i fly a lot. >> do you have your children already? >> i am sorry? >> yes, i have. we don't have to worry about that. i take fl three flights a week.

>> how do you feel about the devices? put the body scanners aside let's go to the notion of -- this is the touchyest part of this and i don't mean a pun h e here. the searching grandma the same way you search abdul from yemen. i have more muslim friends i always say this and anybody else on national television and i am sorry. i want the kid from yemen searched differently than grandma going to disney lands. >> absolutely. it makes sense to me. let me say i think the congressman is right. i just want to because we should be feard everyone involved michael chertoff when he was head of home lands security was an advocate of these machines long before anybody was paying him or he had any consulting role with them. the second thing to say i had lunch with janet nepal tano i interviewed the head of the tsa they tell me in terms of the

radiation if you walk around the streets of your city for an hour you get as much radiation as you do from these machines. if you are up in the air for 2 minutes you get as much of radiation. it's not a high dose of radiation. >> the radiation isn't the thing that scares me what bothers me is how wasteful it is. i am out of time. thank you for hanging around. congressman thank you very much.

a >> women come back. profiling might be a di dirty w in the united states. as a result their national airline el al probably the number one target on the terrorist hit parade has been remarkably safe in no small

measure do you to my next guest. the former director of el al security who runs his own security counseling business based here in the states. nice to see you again. >> happy to be here. >> about profiling we search everybody the old woman, the young child, the person in the wheelchair, the cub scout. the israelis have a different approach. tell me basically how you approach the whole notion of profiling? >> before the passenger arrives to the terminal we get the list of the passengers. we have a suspicious list of passengers we match the list if one of the suspicions in the list is in the list of the passengers, he cannot surprise us any more. we are waiting for him. number one. number two, any passenger coming to the ticket counter anyhow he has to wait on-line. once he waits on-line we come to

him and we present ourselves. we explain that our responsibility is to make sure that you and your passengers on your flight arrive say and secure. we would like you to cooperate with us. help me to help you arrive safe. 99 percent of the passengers are honest they love to cooperate. if you don't go to interview and rely only on technology geraldo remember best technology in the world cannot replace the qualified and well trained human being. it is the abc of security. >> is it not a fact a young man from yemen for example or a young man from an arab country or someone else from pakistan would get a closer look than someone from ireland? >> if he comes to israel and we see the pass poertsz, what

country he belongs to, if they have a problem with terrorism, al qaeda, taliban, they are against the united states or the western world, yes. we concentrate them and check him and ask him more questions than the other passengers. if he is not he has a problem with us. we cannot allow to take a risk to be nice and then to see if aircraft is blowing up and people lose their life. >> are we putting ourselves at risk by political correctness in the united states in the western world. >> unfortunately the answer is yes. we don't have security in this country. it's illusion to say we have security. why we need to take off the shoes? of all of the people why do we have to abuse them? why we have to buy for hundreds of millions of dollars the body

scan. >> it sounds way too practical for the u.s. government to eye don't but i hope they listen. i agree with everything you have said. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> everything he haze makes sense to me. listen to this. we can find no evidence none, nada that airport security has ever discovered or stopped the terrorists in a u.s. airport. it has never happened in this country. rather than continuing to disrupt our entire commercial aviation history let's target the suspects. boy scouts going on the jamboree. i know the concerns about profiling but how about this? the tsa has already said they are going to give pilots and flight crews a pass why knotted frequent flyers, too. give the business travelers a rigorous background check and if

they are drivf pure as snow giv them bypass to all but minimal security. with replacement parts like artificial knees or hips. if they check out help them out. there are other categories people smarter than me check out. don't let them win by plead ble dry and don't thet the pimps scare us into spending more and more of your hard earned money. think of the practical solutions to this difficult problem it doesn't always include throwing tons of tax payer money at it. i hope you have a great thanksgiving holiday with your families. thank you for watching. see you next time. bye bye everybody. i'm hugh jidette. i'm running for president. if elected promise our 13 trillion dollar debt will

double, maybe even triple. i'll continue to ignore our spiraling i'm hugh jidette and i say borrow like there's no tomorrow.

>> good morning, everyone. hope you had a great weekend. as you can see, i'm having trouble with my voice but i'm here. monday, november 22nd. the head of the tsa seems to be changing his tune about the patdowns now. will it be enough to stop a protest by passengers? even secretary of state hillary clinton, she doesn't want one either. >> not if i could avoid it, no, who would? >> is there really no other way? everything you nto