>> where are you going to be? >> in new brunswick november 25th and 26th at the draft house and december 3rd and 4th. back to you, greg. >> special thanks to jill done son. bill shultz, you are a nightmare. mary katherine hamm, when you are here it is a joy. what am i saying? i am greg gutfeld. bye. s the u.s. and south korea for bringing the peninsula to the brink of war. the people keeping an eye on the north korea nuclear program may not have what they need to get the job done. will black friday translate to plenty of green for the retail industry? live from our studio in washington, this is "special report". good evening. i'm shannon bream in for bret baier. north korea fired more artillery and issued a warning three days after attack on a south korean island. the fire did no damage, but the threat of impending war

got president obama's attention. white house correspondent wendell goler is monitoring the development. >> reporter: with no public events on the schedule, aides say president obama was getting several updates a day on the situation on the korean peninsula. today, as the commander of u.s. troops in south korea toured the island village shelled on tuesday, north fired more artillery shells, though not in the direction of the island. pyongyang state run media said it precisely hit a south korean artillery base tuesday but the pictures show it was a civilian area. >> it was clear to me by the briefing i've seen and with an i've seen physically, north korea attacked this island. a clear violation of the armistice agreement. >> north blames plan for naval exercise this weekend for provoking the exchange and says the situation is inching closer to the brink of war. meanwhile, north korea named former chiefs chairman new minister of defense. most analysts say canceling

the exercise would be a bad idea. >> you have to show you're tough, not bad down and not give unilateral concession to north koreans, but the reality is north korea doesn't want to start world war iii and neither do we. >> for decades, they say they have provoked the west the missile attacks and two nuclear bomb tests, actions they promise to stop in exchange for aid from the west and never deliver on the promises. >> the worst possible strategy. no president found it possible to 234e goshate with kim jong il or his father before him, few think it will be possible with kim's sun. ambassador bolton sees no reason in trying. >> it ought to be the collapse of the regime inside north korea. >> a risky strategy with 1.2 million soldiers in the north and facing half of that in the south. better some feel to pressure china leader to lean on the problem child to change the

behavior. since the chinese don't want u.s. carrier fleet off the coastline, another reason not to cancel the exercise. >> sending the fleet will send a message to north korea and will send it to china. >> secretary of state clinton phoned the chinese foreign minister today but says don't expect china to have a long-term solution to the problem. war could mean a million korean refugees for them to feed. they don't want that. a resolution could mean unification. on the border. they don't want that either. >> shannon: wendell, as part of the story, we saw video where the president seemed to be dabbing at his lip. what happened? >> president got elbow in the mouth in a pick-up basketball game with family and friends. the shot shows him holding gauze up to his lip. we're told the president was playing defense, and went up to block a shot. he came back to the white house and got a dozen stitches of a special small fill meant stuff that is -- filament stuff that is supposed to

leave a smaller scar. culprit, apparently the hispanic congressional institute says he learned today the president was a tough competitor and a good sport, presumably for not sticking the secret service on him. >> shannon: he works hard and plays hard. thanks. next, concern over their aggression is viewed through the prism of the emergence of a possible nuclear threat. u.n. agency in charge of keeping an eye on the situation may not be up to the job. correspondent amy kellogg tells us why. >> the former deputy director of the iaea is sounding alarm bells and worries the agency is underfunded, something that could lead to proliferation disaster no one saw coming, such as the recent centrifuge stunt. comparing it to the sudden collapse of financial institution in 2008. >> one day there could be

proliferator we never thought. we are taken off-guard. >> the budget has grown 2k% in the last two years, less than the 10% it asked for. >> the best set of eyes and ears. i'm confident it will continue to do that. it has the budgetary problems that makes the eyesight not 20/20. >> u.s. is kicking in one-quarter of the total. they want to double the budget in the next four years but europeans think it's unnecessary in the tough economic times. former iaea boss was criticized for being too conciliatory with the iranians. the successor imana is viewed as less political. either way, the agency has challenges to keep up with in a changing environment. globalization and the traffic

and dual use goods is another reason experts say it's easier than ever to build a nuclear weapon. despite u.n. sanctions, it sent the agents around the world to shop for components. >> they have been successful to get parts for 2,000 centrifuges. >> the other big issue to confront is the cyber aspect of proliferation. there is debate whether the agency should create quasi espionage branch to track financial records and dig in computer files. in the end, the iaea is only as good as the cooperation it gets from the country it is investigating. in london, amy kellogg, fox news. >> shannon: stocks were down in an abbreviated day of trading today. the dow lost 95. the s&p 500 dropped nine. nasdaq also gave back nine. many of you are probably just getting in after a busy day of shopping. today is known as "black friday," the start of the holiday shopping season and

one of the biggest days of the year for retailers. chief washington correspondent jim angle looks at the economic impact. >> this years shoppers were out in the the dead of night to be first in line for the bargain. >> they opened at 4:00 a.m. >> we went to gap. they had 50% off before noon. we went there. >> i got to go to bath and body works. my favorite store. one of them. you can spend $30 and then get $10 off. >> anything they can do to get the consumer in the store, to be the first store to get the consumer in while they have willingness to spend and get them in the store to buy bigger ticket items. >> this time of year they try to devine the overall health of the economy by determining how much consumers spend at the beginning of the season. bargains galore and the thrill of the chase help build enthusiasm among consumers. >> running around, to get a

cup of coffee and standing in line, that excitement is there. how much of this sustained going forward once the big discounts are out of the way. >> this is a critical day for retail industry, black friday, because it's the day the retailers hope to go from being in the red to being in the black. but they are forced to offer good deals because many families are still juggling debts with their desire to spend. >> i think, i know that i'm going to get a lot more for whatever i spend. >> very important to get good deals. money is scarce nowadays. >> this year's consumer is a much more cautious consumer and one trying to put away something for the future and not just spending freely based on what they hope to earn next year. >> there are still 15 million without jobs and many families are carrying substantial debt, but many see this year as better than last. >> consumers are in far better shape this holiday season than they have been in two or three years. personal income is up over the last year. we have had 1 million private sector jobs being created.

when we look at people, what we call the debt burden, that has come down pretty significantly over the last year. >> we lost $14 trillion in household wealth. the sensible response is oh, my, we can't go on living like this, so let's cut back spending and start having the saving rate go up. >> in fact, americans are putting a little more away. now close to 6% up from less than 1%. the american consumer has been beaten and bloodied over the last couple of years. today's results he give us a sense of how far they've come. >> >> have you started your shopping? >> none. zero. >> shannon: no one is getting anything. thanks, jim. well, three teenage boys from new zealand rescued after 50 days at sea reached land in fiji. they were found by a passing tuna boat two days ago and are survived collecting rain water and eating coconuts, raw fish and sea bird they caught. ♪

♪ >> shannon: turning to politics, resistance is building to the capped dassy of rahm emanuel for chicago mayor. steve brown reports it's all about whether emanuel gave up his windy city residencesy when he left to become white house chief of staff. >> this makes six, six challenges filed claiming that rahm emanuel should not be a candidate of mayor of chicago because he does not fulfill the one-year residency requirement. >> the law says you have to have a physical presence, not just intent. i heard the notions about intent, intent. it's the physical presence. >> while emanuel has owned a home in chicago for years, which he now rents out, he did spend most of the last two years in washington as president obama's chief of staff. emanuel supporter congressman called the efforts to knock emanuel off the ballot a circus that needs to end. >> they're afraid of rahm because he would be a strong

mayor and who would challenge the status quo. >> he has rapidly gone from highly visible to runner the mayor contest and easily got the most local media coverage for his almost daily campaign events and he's been on the air with telephone ad. a poll conducted has him out in front of the 20-candidate field taking a majority of white voters and surprisingly the largest percentage of the african-american voters. both mayor newspapers chimed in with editorials saying in their view, emanuel is a resident and belongs on the ballot. congressman danny davis says the pro-rahm op-ed are posturing. >> everyone has a right to the opinion. it doesn't mean your opinion is correct, accurate or legal. >> the emanuel campaign says chicagoans heard enough about the residency issue, but they probably haven't heard the last of it. if it goes up to the illinois supreme court, and it very well could, it could mean

another two months of legal action stories and reporter questions for emanuel in the campaign to deal with. shannon? >> steve brown in chicago. thank you, steve. well, actually republican joe miller gets advice about knowing when to fold them. that's later in the grapevine. next, where does the tea party go from here? in the u.s. and abroad. wi the capital one venture card we get double miles on everyurchase. so we earned a holiday trip to the big apple twice as fast! dinner! [ garth ] we get double miles every time we use our card. and since double miles add up fast, we can bring the who gang! it's hard to beat double miles! i want a maze, a ord, a... oww! [ male announcer ] get the venture card from capital one and earn double miles on every purchase, every day.

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>> shannon: even though the etea party coming out party, mid-term election, there is already talk about what they'll do for encore in 2012. chief political correspondent carl cameron tells us about the fine tuning underway right now. >> in the wake of the tea party 2010 victory and losses, there is a new effort to improve vetting and candidate recruitment. explicit acknowledgment of mistakes to avoid in the future. justin phillips of the etea party nation. >> we've got to do vetting to the candidates because we don't want somebody getting out there, announcing they're a tea party candidate, getting

some good support and suddenly we discover something terrible about them. >> tea partiers backed christine o'donnell for senate in delaware unaware of her controversial, perm and financial history. they got behind angle in nevada. many think it cost republicans two seats they could have won. >> we want to see candidates that are far more credible, that are able to effectively communicate the ideas that are winning ideas and not have somebody that came with o'donnell and angle campaign. >> new leaders program to recruit and train articulate conservatives with sound positions are launched by ned ryan of american majority.org which works with several tea party groups nationwide. >> i think what they will do in 2012 is look for primaries to challenge those that are conservative and get the best conservative option. >> from the start, tea parties focussed on fiscal discipline and limited government. phillips organized the first convention a year ago and now urges embracing conservative social views like tougher

illegal immigration laws and stop federally funded abortion, the repeal of the military "don't ask, don't tell" and construction of the so-called ground zero mosque. it's controversial. >> now, do we run a little risk we may alienate a few people? we do. by and large, we bring in more people to the movement than we alienate by doing this. >> tea party express, separate from the tea party nation help nominate candidate that won seats and got trounced. chief candidate backs the movement but skeptical about straying from successful economic focus. >> we welcome some groups want to get involved in other issues. that is fine. the unifying theme is we have to get the federal government spending and growth under control. >> a year ago, tea partiers went out of their way to steer clear of non-economic issues. now, powerful factions within the movement are actively debating whether or not to tackle hot button social issues. it would alter movement. it remains to be seen if it's

for the better or worse. in washington, carl cameron, fox news. >> shannon: excessive taxation of big government are not new issues. they were big concerns for settlers in the new world who moved here from europe. greg palkot reports that great britain is following the lead of the u.s. >> the tea party movement recent electoral gains got international attention, including in the mother country whose taxes inspired the first tea party, the united kingdom. new rebellion against big government and high taxes is resonating in england. >> ideals around limited government are a lot of people in britain, as well. >> taxpayer alliance is the largest group here with the tea party slant. boosting 60,000 supporters. they organized workshop with freedom work and other support group. >> we're always trying to learn. >> like the tea party in the

u.s., there are many groups here vying for the label prchlt one strictly aimed at domestic politics to another upset about the tax money going to the european union and another nationalistic group upset about the nation. >> what you've seen in the united states which is a bit of a rebellion against the central policy establishment, that is fuelled to a certain extent by issues. >> with no real primary system here, it's harder for the u.k. tea parties to storm the political barricade. that hasn't held back torrey member of parliament who has images of past tea party heroes around his home. a current favorite -- >> the tea party movement. >> it's sarah palin. >> conservative government, feels some of the brit -- steal some of the british tea party thunder. >> there is more to do. we need to keep up the pressure. >> some of the more colorful aspects of the movement might

not translate well in england. >> still, even without mama grizzlies roaming around, they say they can still leave their mark. in london, greg palkot, fox news. >> noa the british government -- >> shannon: the british government says it's been released about expected release of diplomatic files by the whistle blower website wikileaks. obama administration alerted congress and begun notifying foreign governments. release is expected any day and could be harmful to u.s. relations around the world. saudi authorities report they arrested 149 al-qaeda suspects. behind planned attacks on government officials, media personalities and civilian targets inside the kingdom. many of the suspects are saudis with 25 foreigners and one woman. saudi forces seized weapons and $600,000 in the raids. still ahead -- an unusual way to deal with the homeless. up next, congress returns from

>> shannon: fedex thinks radioactive rods that were misplaced in shipping were in the company's care the entire time. agencies including the nuclear regulatory commission have been notified of a search when the package went missing. the rods are used for medical equipment and found at a tennessee shipping facility. they weren't considered dangerous as long as no one tried to open their metal container. explosives experts have suspended the effort to remove bomb-making material from a san diego area home. the sheriff department says the conditions are not safe right now. another team will re-enter the home in a few days. officials found petn at the site, explosive favored by terrorists. homeowner pleaded not guilty to running a bomb factory. 78-year-old south carolina man is in jail for allegedly

threatening to kill president obama. nurses say that michael steven bouden told them he wanted to kill the president because he was not doing enough to help african-americans. authorities found a dozen weapons in his home. bowden is to undergo mental evaluation. a navy veteran and former new york city policeman and fire captain. congress returns next week for the final round in the lame duck session. so far, they have scored no knock-out blows for freedom, jobs or the economy. >> lame duck two. after a lethargic first round marked by little real action outside of a vitally important vote on a measure honoring penn state coach joe paterno, house and senate lawmakers bat the clock and each others to accomplish a few key goals. among them, resolution or spending bill to keep the federal government open. >> you can't shut the government down. republicans tried that before. history of that.

>> a defense authorization bill will be the time battle. then the bush tax cut expire at year end. harry reid vowed to stage two vote on extending the tax cut, one limited to the middle class and designed to embarrass g.o.p. lawmakers who oppose it. and second vote for all brackets that republicans will support. >> given the unemployment level, issue where both parties have an incentive to pass tax cuts to go home and say we are doing something to stimulate the economy. >> they talked tough on workplace protection for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender community. those in reid's corner discounted some talk as mere hype. >> they don't necessarily need to do the star treaty and they certainly don't -- and it's impossible, it's a pipe dream that they're going to be able to take care of immigration

reform and "don't ask, don't tell." all these things that senator harry reid laid out as priorities for the lame duck session. >> we have a number of special interest and they have special things they want to get done. harry reid is saying you're right, i'm going to get yours up, even though knowing full well the house probably won't go along with it. unlikely to get to president obama for a signature. >> business leaders want john boehner to cut a deal on the bush era tax cut because any lapse many extension of the tax cut would cost billion owners billions to adjust the tax withholding system. in washington, james rosen, fox news. >> shannon: join us for the next edition of fox news sunday. south carolina senator lindsey graham and claire mccaskill will be the guest. check the local listing for the time. >> sarah palin fights back after being criticized for a

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>> shannon: now fresh pickings from the political grapevine. former minnesota senator norm coleman is speaking from experience when he suggests fellow republican joe miller admit defeat in the alaska senate race. coleman told c-span, "i think that race is over. i think the counting has been

done. it should be time to move on. there is not much you can gain by extenting the process. miller trailed lisa murkowski by 10,000 votes. 8,000 of which miller challenged. coleman ultimately lost his 2008 race against democrat al franken by 225 votes after seven months of counts and legal challenges. sarah palin took to the facebook page thursday to attack the media for seizing on a gaffe she made when she said in an interview north korea was an ally to the u.s. her posting said, "it seems the media couldn't resist the semiation to turn -- temptation to turn a one slip of the tongue of mine into a major political headline." she went on to say she corrected the mistake immediately. former miss unver winner shut down twitter account after receiving insulting posts confusing korea with china. machado of venezuela posted, "i want to ask you to join me in a prayer for peace, that the attacks between the chinas do not make our situation

worse." incoming oakland mayor jean kwan got the boot, literally. her husband's prius got boot for parking tickets. she said she thought the tickets were paid. in 2009, quan and her fellow city council members targeted parking as a way to generate revenue for the city. as the fall turns many to winter, many homeless people head south to florida to get refuge from the cold. but they will find the times are changing in one area. correspondent steve harrigan reports on a tough love approach. >> st. peter'sburg charity offers choices to the homeless population. >> strawberry, banana, grape, cappuccino, milk, water. >> the city loses two disinfectant to mask the stench of homeless urine. homeless advocates say it's a publicity stunt. >> they're doing that to drum

up sympathy and support of these dirty homeless. we have to get rid of them. >> getting rid of the homeless is part of a controversial approach whose first step according to the newly hired homeless consultant is end peeding people on the street. >> street feeding though it's well-ended by good people, thinking they're doing the right thing as one of the worst somethings you can possibly do. it enables. >> feeding, he says, should be linked to reward system. first, facility in the city he argues are too comfortable. shelter residents should begin with cold food and sleep on mats outside. some advocates warn changes could be dangerous. >> a hungry person is more desperate. hungry person will do anything it takes for hungry person to survive. >> with on set of winter and weak economy, number of

homeless continues to grow. >> you have palm trees and golf courses and you have homelessness now. >> attempts to mask or outlaw the problem so far failed, leaving the city poised for a rethink and debate over whether everything it does to help the homeless only makes the situation worse. in miami, steve harrigan, fox news. >> shannon: russians and american returned from the international space station. the spacecraft touched down in kazakhstan. astronauts and the russian crewmate are said to be in good condition. there are now three people remaining on the station, two russians and an american. the white house christmas tree was delivered this afternoon. 18-1/2-foot douglas fir. came in on a carriage from pennsylvania. it will sit in the blue room. hundreds of volunteers will spend the weekend decorating the tree and the white house for holiday season. we'll talk about the latest developments in north korea and south korea. that situation when the fox all-stars join me after the

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what i've seen here physically, north korea attacked this island. a clear violation of the armistice violation. we will call on north korea to stop any future attack. >> shannon: that's walter sharp, the top commander in the region. bring in the panel to talk about it. fred barnes, "weekly standard." nia malika henderson of the "washington post." and columnist charles krauthammer. welcome to you all. what do you make of the latest escalation today? >> we are back in what we've seen before, the cycle. appeasement cycle. we have seen it over and over again, where there is a provocation of the north koreans and then there is a response by the u.s. and others. it's usually going to hold talks. out of the talks, there is an

agreement where the great rewards go to the north koreans, food, money, arms, whatever. then they violate it. and then you start again this whole appeasement cycle. it obviously has not worked to in any way restrain north koreans. the other strategy that hasn't worked is the one to wait for china to act. and china never helps. i think president obama has finally realized that china is not going to help. i don't think china will do anything short of stopping the north koreans from actually starting a full-scale war on the korean peninsula. so the only thing left to do is to get tougher. this time, i don't think it's the u.s., but the south koreans want to get tougher. they don't have the same pea peacenick government and their respond is we'll change rule of engagement and get tougher. not respond in kind when the north koreans do this and do other things.

they fired their defense minister. public is outraged in a way they haven't been before. it's pathetic that the u.s. has to look to south korea to lead the way, but we're stuck with that. >> we know today that secretary of state hillary clinton had a conversation with their prime minister there. the defense minister, excuse me, in south korea -- excuse me, with china. how do you think that conversation went today? as fred mentioned they are a key player to us getting this under control. >> i imagine it went like the other conversations in trying to draw china in and really crack down on south korea. they are the ones that prop up the nation and the only ones that can to be them. they don't have a strategic interest in doing so. the next phase is when there is more out in china and south korea and north korea and we'll see what the north koreans do. this is a provocation. they see it that way.

and it's also somewhat of a provocation to china as well. >> shannon: how does this work? you have two kids in the back fighting, he poked me first, he poked me first. it ratchets up. we have exercises on sunday those were preplanned. toughen up or back off? what do we do? >> is one of the kids has a nuclear weapon, you have to be very careful how you deal with it. i think what we have done is correct. we sent a carrier group, way to send a message. incidently, it gives us a couple of days because it takes a while to get there. it's helpful to work out the strategy and coordinate with the south koreans. i think what is really revealing here is the chinese response. it was, there is finally a realization here that our strategic interest do not coincide. we have pretended for a decade-and-a-half that we and the chinese have a common interest here. we are on the six party talks.

the chinese have not condemned the shelling. this is the first attack on civilians since the armistice 57 years ago. this is a major escalation. the only warning was not to pyongyang. it was to us over the exercises. they warn about the exercises when the south korean ship was sunk and they said they didn't want us in the yellow sea. this time we're not knuckling under and we're conducting exercises on the chinese side in the yellow sea, which is good. the only interest is on china. i don't think we'll change the chinese policy unless we threaten them with something worse, nuclear japan or nuclear south korea.

short of that, which we're not going to do right now, all we can do is defy china, hold the exercises, support the south koreans and make it clear that any further escalation is going to meet serious response; particularly, from the south korean military. >> shannon: and fred -- >> the chinese are perfectly happy to see the north koreans cause problems for the u.s. they enjoy that. they don't have to worry about a nuclear north korea because they know thennens aren't shting -- north koreans aren't going to shoot at china. the only people threatened by it are japan, south korea and even the u.s. . >> shannon: how much of a factor do you think the civilians in south korea will be? >> as fred said, they're obviously -- they looked at president li who campaigned on taking a tougher stance in north korea. they're very much looking for him to deliver on that. at the same time, they obviously don't want war. to be honest, there is even

talk that south korea will roll things back and go back to this more getting carrots to north korea, rather than the stick. we'll have to see. >> shannon: how does everyone think that the responses have been from the south koreans and from the u.s.? we have seen personnel change in south korea. and some think the u.s. has been toothless in this. >> it started out badly when our ambassador, our special negotiator with north korea steven bosworth in china said the day of the shelling we should return to talks. the good news is he hasn't been heard or seen since, probably in the witness protection program. the word out of the white house has not called for a return to talks, which would be the worst possible response. it would be a reward for act of aggression. that's positive. the group is positive. holding the exercises in the yellow sea in defiance of china is also a positive step. >> shannon: yes or no, does everybody think the exercises

go off as planned? >> yeah. i agree with cha charles said but i'd also emphasize again, the south korea government is tougher than the last one. >> we'll see on sunday. >> yes. >> i think they'll go forward. we'll have to see what happens. >> shannon: panel, ahh thank you. all right. tell us how you think the u.s. has done responding to the situation. we'd love to have you vote in the online poll. foxnews.com/specialreport. when we come back, the friday lightning round.

>> shannon: we've already done the winner of the online viewer's choice for the friday lightning round. north korea. we'll start this segment with the online viewers, close second choice, lame duck. get to it with the panel. charles, do they get anything done when congress comes back on monday? >> well, they're going to have to.

the first week was wasted on stuff that everybody knew was not going to be enacted, the dream act, which is immigration reform. we've talked about "don't ask, don't tell." that's not going to be enacted. it's a way for democrats to make a show of appeasing their own constituencies. they have to act on continuing resolution, ie, keeping the government going otherwise it shuts down in ten days. or they have to do or they should act on tax cuts. on the bush tax rate. because otherwise, january 1, taxes will go up for everybody in the middle of a recession. >> shannon: yeah, and nia, we understand that senate majority leader harry reid looks like he will set up two different votes on the tax cut. >> right. set up one vote for middle class tax cut and one for extending all of them. it's a political ploy to force republicans' hands to voting for one and not the other, but i mean i think charles is right. a lot of the bills that are coming up are really show more than substance, not a lot of

chances for these to get done. i think, i mean they'll reach some compromise with the bush tax cut, some temporary extension of all of them, because i think it will be a tough vote for either of them to vote to raise taxes at this time. >> shannon: really, fred, with the numbers changing in january, this is their best shot at "don't ask, don't tell," the dream act. you know, how -- >> should have enacted them earlier. they had a whole two years to do all these things. they -- whose fall is it? harry reid's fault. majority leader. he left them all for the lame duck session. it'd like to see leadership from president obama on the tax issue. i agree they'll get extension on the tax cut and do a continuing resolution and that's it. >> shannon: all right. we'll watch and see as it unfolds. all right. charles, shopping, it's black friday. the economy. looks like we'll do a little better that year. >> well, we have an impulse here. on one hand we want spending to boost consumption and help the economy. on the other hand, the reason of the collapse of our

financial system essentially is that we're a country that hasn't been saving for about 30 years. as a result of our difficulties, now the saving rate is up to 6%. i mean, i'm not so sure we really want a return to hyper consumerism, because the only way out in the long run is to rebalance our balance sheet, personal and corporate and for that, you've got to save. not spend every penny you still have. >> shannon: retailers certainly hoping for something different. >> yes, they are. i think they are estimating 2.3% spending increase over last year. something like $474 billion. a ridiculous amount of money considering that 60 million folks are still out of work. there is a contradictory impumas. one hand folks are looking to save and tighten the budget but on the other hand they want to get savings. 60 million people went out shopping today. that might mean the ratings

today are as high as we want, but people are out there spending. >> shannon: get holidays -- >> i'm for hyperconsumerism, i just don't participate in it. i'm glad people are spending. the economy is getting better. i still think we're not going to see jobs created much. i blame democrats and president obama for not doing the right thing to stir the economy. this will help a little. but only a little. >> shannon: how much do you think the white house is counting on good numbers? administration as a whole, to point to them when the season is over to say maybe we're turning around. >> remember recovery summer? they were counting on that. now what they are waiting on? recovery christmas season. i don't expect dramatically different numbers. >> will you spend more or less this year? >> more. >> probably, more. >> shannon: what will you get me? >> i have no idea. i don't do any of it. >> shannon: talk about the tea party, number three.

not just u.s., but tea party abroad. something interesting that carl cameron had in the reporting today there are factions of the tea party and different groups that use the title. some are now saying let's bring in the social issues, things like immigration, abortion. other things. others say no, stick to fiscal. here is one tea party member's take on bringing in the social issues. >> do we run a little risk we may alienate a few people? yeah, we do. but i think by and large we bring in more people in the movement that we alienate by doing this. >> do you think that's true? if you get in the social stuff aside from the lower government spending, cutting taxes? what does it do to the movement? >> they steered clear of this in the mid-terms. i think the test for the tea party to grow up, they have to grow out and expand the base. hard to see how that happens if they roll in the issues that frankly didn't work very well for republicans in past elections. >> shannon: all right. fred, plus or minus? >> i think the issues are the

ones that have exactly worked and they're big enough to take care of themselves, abortion or gay marriage, whatever it is. so they don't need the tea party to bring them in. tea party is here. they have an incredibly important role in america. because they complained about spending. about taxes. about the deficit. debt. healthcare plan. if they focus on those, that's the right thing to do. >> issues are out there. >> shannon: all right. charles, how about the fact that the u.k. has got tea parties? it seems contradictory. because the tea party was not a plus for them back -- >> no. >> shannon: in its original party. >> as i recall, the red coats were on the receiving end of the first tea party. also what is odd about it is that the u.k. actually has a government that has proposed remarkable draconian spending cuts so it's enacting what the party here was invented to actually encourage. so it's already succeeded in britain unless it's rescinded.

i think they are actually going to go ahead with it. i think it's reducing and inspired a lot of people across the globe. but the u.k. is the one place that's not needed. i would add on the social issues, it would be fatal error if they expanded away from or distracted from their emphasis on the size of government. it's the size of government, it's debt, spending that galvanized the movement and attracted all the independents that resulted in the election, results in november. it would be a terrible mistake if they strayed from the original principle. >> shannon: that movement is coalescing. we'll see what they do. thank you, panel. stay tuned because there are ways you may havz#úa

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