the driver wasn't hurt. flipping on its back. probably took, what, a few trucks to get that free? look at that sucker. martha: he just fell into a hole! and one of our e-mailers said the driver is fine. there's a problem with that roof! i got a little information for you! bill: see you friday. martha: we'll see you tomorrow. "happening now" gets started right now. jon: and we begin with this fox news alert, good morning, i'm jon scott. jenna: hi everybody, i'm jenna lee. we're here in the fox news room and happening right now, a major mob takedown. the fbi, calling today's raids the biggest mafia roundup in new york history. we're awaiting a major news conference with the attorney general, eric holder and the fbi, jon. jon: and being that new york is sort of the center of mafia activity in this country, it's probably the biggest one in the nation's history as well, after agents arrested more than 100 suspected mobsters in a crackdown that reached from

rhode island to florida. eric shawn live in the new york city newsroom, bring us up to date. >> reporter: they got pinched this morning, the biggest mafia roundup that's being called in u.s. history. terrorist cases have recently been making the headlines for the past several years but this arrest seems to indicate that organized crime, specifically the maf kwrarbgs alive and well and still surviving, despite law enforcement crackdowns. you're looking at video shot this morning at for him heartilton, brooklyn in new york, an army installation. so many alleged wise guys were nabbed but they had to use this army installation to deal with them. this video apparently not showing faces of the accused, because they are presumed to be innocent. this sweep, more than 100, new york, new jersey, rhode island, involving seven mob family, the five family, gambino, genoveve, mankose families and the new jersey family that are the inspiration for the sopranos

and the patriaca crime family, alleged boss of the crime family nabbed, reputed head of the patriarco family, the beligio, nabbed, as well as a slew of other mob figures, slug union officials. you're looking at a picture of john sunny franzese. he was not arrested today, just this past week, showing you the longevity of some of the alleged wise guys. he's 93 years old. he was just sentenced to eight years in prison. he may not get out until he's 100 years old, he is a mob ledgeered in the khro*pl bo crime family, showing exactly what continues to happen in organized crime here in the united states. you're just looking at video, live pictures. in a few moments a news conference, attorney general eric holder has flown to brooklyn, new york to announce the arrest at a news conference, called a major step and major mob crackdown on seven mafia

families. having organized crime for many years, we've had massive arrests before, never in my memory have we had 100 sweeping throughout new england, including alleged mob bosses. back you -- back to you. jon: we are as we understand a couple of minutes away from a news conference involving the attorney general of the united states, as eric just mentioned. let's get more on the mob arrests. joining us now, jeffrey lynchman, attorney general who defended john gotti, jr., is an arrest of this caliber, this scope is surprise to you mr. lynchman? >> it's not a surprise. it happens every couple of years, there's some sweeping arrest with 100 or 70 or 80 purported mobsters being picked up, and the u.s. attorney general gets in front of the microphone, 100 cameras, and says this is the end of the mafia, then three years later we have yet another sweeping arrest. this is what the government does.

it's going to be a very big show. a couple of years ago this happened in brooklyn and i don't think any of the 70 or so mobsters that were arrested spent more than a handful of years in prison. jon: you say purported arrests or purported mafia members regarding this group picked up this morning. do you think they'll skate? >> who knows. we haven't seen the evidence yet but i can tell you when we had john gotti, jr., the whole world thought he was guilty and would be going away for life and now he's sitting up with his feet up, watching tv, eating bonbons. jenna: the 0eu78age you paint there with the bon bones, we're taking in the images of the arrest. the big question for some of these guys, since they've been arrested is what's the next steps they're going to have to go through today and stphoeus. >> they're going to be arraigned in front of the charges and actually receive the charges and they'll have their lawyers fight the case. they're going to receive discovery and it will be either be cooperating witnesses will certainlying part of it and there may or may not be tapes,

photographs, telephone records, and really it depends on the case, how the case will locally go down and what sort of plea offers will be made. as you heard there are many mid-level and low level people arrested so many of these arrests will openly end up with little or no jail time. jenna: let's say you get a call and need to defend one of these guys, what are the questions you're asking and what do you want to see? >> first thing i'm going to do is wipe off the makeup off my face if there's a chance i might get hired. that wouldn't work out too well. what i'd want to find out, if they are aware of any of the evidence, if they are aware of any of the tapes. at this point when you meet a client in prison after he's been arrested, he looks at you and says what do they have against me and no one really knows until the government provides that first batch of discovery. we'll probably learn at the arraignment, burg the detail hearings what the strength of the evidence is and i can tell you this, often times when they have one press conference after another it sort of signal toss me maybe

the evidence isn't so strong jon: jeffrey lichtenman, and i apologize, i got bad information on that, who defended john gotti, criminal defense attorney and a well-known one in the area, thank you. jenna: jeffrey will stay with us as we continue to monitor this press conference, and the toerlg, we expect to -- and the attorney general, we expect to hear from shortly. in the mime, to move to what's happening on capitol hill hours after the house voted to repeal the president's landmark health care law, carrying out a campaign pledge, every republican member of the house voted to overturn that law and while 13 democrats initially voted against the health care law the first time around last year, only three voted to repeal it now. you just saw them on your screen. today, more voting as the house directs four committees to begin crafting the gop's vision for health care. the parties, set to focus on the unpopular parts of the current law. chief among them, the 1099 provision, requiring

businesses to report to the irs any purchase or service that's cost them more than $600. in the meantime, in the senate, harry reid, making it clear the bill won't see the light of day. at least we should mention for now. that's what we're hearing, for now. just minutes from now, as well, we're going to hear from house speaker john boehner about the next steps on replacing the health care lawful certainly a lot to keep an eye on today down in d.c. jon: busy morning already. and it could soon be back to business at gitmo. the obama administration plans to lift a ban on new cases at guantanamo bay. this move would end a block imposed the day that president obama was inaugurated. it clears the way for military tribunal toss bring new charges against some of the detainees being held there. catherine herridge, live in washington, with more. what does it mean for the trial of some of these detainees, catherine? >> reporter: thank you jon. this announcement means the

obama administration has embraced military commissions and for the first time under president obama's watch charges will be brought at guantanamo against an accused terrorist, in this case, washiri, of the u.s.s. cole attack, was water boarded in the cia secret prisons, legal sources familiar with the case argue that the trial would be a trial within a trial about the cia program. the coal attach killed 17 sailors in 2000, the size of the hole in the ship was about the size of a 2-story house. the coal families have told me separately they often buried their sons twoor or three times because the navy kept finding remains. for context, the three cases that have gone through the commission so far since 2009, they were cases that were already in process by the bush administration, jon. jon: catherine herrid, live for us in washington, thanks catherine. >> you're welcome. jenna: a fox news alert. again we've been mentioning this news conference with attorney general eric holder

and the fbi about these arrests, allegedly, of more than 100 mobsters. let's go ahead and take a listen. >> the united states attorney for the district of new jersey, peter nirono, rick kelly, commissioner of the new york city police department, we are pleased to announce an important step forward in our nation's ongoing fight against organized crime families of la costa nostra, the maf fa. law enforcement officials have arrested over one though individuals, including dozens of la costa nostra sources, own in -- one in italy. in total, 127 people have been charged in 16 indictments, unsealed today in four districts in new york, new jersey, and rhode island. this is one of the largest single operations against the mafia in the fbi's history, both in terms of

the number of defendants arrested and charged and the scope of the criminal activity that is alleged. defendants from numerous la costa nostra families have been charged, including defendants from all five familiarries, franzese, manocchio, gambino families. we have charged moss bosses, including the former boss in new england, the street boss , the khro*pl bo family and the gambino family and a member of that family's ruling panel. their alleged crimes include numerous violent and illegal acts from murder and trafficking to extortion, illegal gambling, arson, loan sharking and labor racketeering. some of the allegations involve traffic mob hits to

eliminate libels, others involve truly senseless murders. in one instance a victim was allegedly shot and killed during a robbery attempt and two others were shot in a public bar because of a dispute over a spilled drink. other charged crime activities reflect the mafia 's continued influence in various economic sectors and in schemes to steal money by preying on vulnerable americans. one part being carried out by the colombia crime family had people with poor credit history, a one-time payment that they believed they were making to loans. others extorted money from labor unions, including local chapters, the shoreman's association, and a concrete union here in new york. now, today's arrests mark an

important and encouraging step forward in de instructing la costa nostra's operations but the reality that our battle against organized crime enterprises is far from over this is an ongoing effort and it must and will remain a top priority to all of us in law enforcement. members and associates of la costa nostra are among the most dangerous crimes in our country. the very oath of allegiance sworn by these mafia members during their initiation ceremony binds them to a life of crime. now, as we've seen for decades, criminal mafia operations can negatively impact our economy, not only through a wide variety of fraud schemes but also through the illegal positions of what in essences are mob taxes in our ports, in our construction industries, and in our small businesses. in some cases, la costa nostra members and

associates allegedly seek to corrupt legitimate businesses and those who have sworn to uphold the public trust. in many of them -- and many of them are lethal. time and again they've shown a willingness to kill, to make money, to eliminate libels and to silence witnesses. today's successful arrest across multiple cities and involving multiple mafia families sends a clear message that in our fight against organized crime, the justice department is targeting federal resources and working with our state and local law enforcement partners like never before. we are committed and we are determined to eradicate these criminal enterprises, once and for all, and to bring their members to justice. now, as part of our commitment to battling organized crime, the justice department's criminal division has announced that it is working to merge its historic organized crime and racketeering section with its gang leader, a move that will bring together

prosecutors with knowledge and experience in impacting criminal enterprises. in addition, due to the continued threat that the criminal organizations pose, in september of last year, i issued an order directing the department of criminal division, the united states attorneys' offices and the fbi to ensure that sufficient resources are allocated to effectively combat these domestic organized crime groups, as well as international criminal organizations that threaten our nation's security. i want to thafpg my colleagues in the criminal division, in the u.s. attorney's offices, and in the fbi for their outstanding efforts and their commitment to collaboration. today's actions are a reflection in -- and a direct result of that renewed commitment. i'm grateful, too, and proud of the investigators, the prosecutors, law enforcement officers and our agency partners who are involved in today's takedowns. this investigation and these prosecutions reflect

unprecedented collaboration among four united states attorneys' offices, the department was criminal division, and the fbi. i want to thank you all and congratulations on a job very well done. now i'd like to turn things over to assistant director. jon: air igs holder there, the attorney general of the u.s., announcing what he called the largest roundup ever in u.s. history of suspected organized crime operatives, 127 have been charged so far in raids this morning, primarily in the new york-new jersey area, but going into connecticut and as far away as florida. jenna: it looks like we have charges, and we're joined again by jeffrey lichterman, the attorney who defended john gotti, jr., so we called him in for expertise. here's some of the charges the attorney general read to us, they include murder, extortion, illegal gambling,

racketeering. he talks about the hits, some of which he said were typical mafia hits that are arranged murders and other senseless killings as some examples. what's your reaction to some of what you just heard? >> i my first thought was i was surprised that eric holder did not tell the audience to jump to conclusions, the way he did when an islamic maniac shot up fort hood. of course, when it comes to organized crime members, everybody is guilty before there's even an arraignment. these are the typical charges we get in these types of cases. at some point, we don't know what the evidence is. there were dogs there, i didn't see any ponies. it's typical for the government to have that press conference and hear those cameras clicking. it means nothing until you get inside the well of the courtroom, and these witnesses are forced to go under fire from a defense lawyer. jon: jeffrey, i wonder if you got an advance copy of the attorney general's speech because he said we are determined to eradicate once and for all this kind of criminal activity and you said the very same thing to

us before he started speaking. >> well, because i've seen it 4000 times. they don't deviate from the script. it's really incredible that this could be 1985, it could be 2027, and you're going to hear the same speech, we're going to fight, fight, fight, eradicate, eradicate, and every two years there's another arrest of 100 of them and many of them, most will receive little or no jail time. you watch. jon: jeffrey lichtman want arid john gotti, jr., thank you. >> thank you. jon: we'll keep an eye on the roundup of suspected mob members. jenna: from new york city out to michigan, where we're taking you to a live shot of northville high school, that is a high school that's remaining in lockdown at this moment. there are some reports that a student may have entered the building with a weapon. local authorities say they're taking this very seriously, although it is a report at this time, and they're conducting a room by room search of the school to try to figure out what's going on. also in that same area, as a

precaution, the ridgewood elmentry school is also in lockdown, and students are remaining in their classes there. there's no access in and out of the building. so a developing story, one we're going to watch in northville, michigan today. jon: and a story that affects pretty much everyone in this country, brand new numbers on the jobs front, the labor department reporting fewer folks applied for unemployment benefits last week. the number dropping by about 37,000, to a seasonally adjusted number of 404,000. economists say the decline suggests last week's unexpected rise in applications was the result of seasonal factors. jenna: certainly the weather can always be an issue for that, reporting, not reporting, you know, that can affect everybody. in the meantime, president obama is fielding some big issues during chinese president's visit to the united states, the two discussing human rights, china's relationship with iran and north korea, as well, and of course he has big economic issues like

cens gentlemen imbalance and america's massive trade decifit with china. some of the questions we're asking today, what does the u.s. get out of this visit? mike emanuel is live at the white house on that story. mike. >> reporter: jenna, good morning. many americans will probably remember this visit of president hu jintao, the chinese leader, for him being pressed on human rights by president obama, although officials here at the white house do say the two leaders spent about half of their time on economic issues. last night's state dinner, of course, is the image many people will remember of this vip visit to the white house. there was talk earlier in the day of the need for china to boost the value of its currency and level the playing field so american companies can compete and concerns about intellectual property, american computer software and entertainment. in his toast last night mr. obama emphasized a spirit of cooperation. >> chinese and american people work together and create new opportunities together, every single day.

mr. president, today, we've shown that our governments can work together as well. for our mutual benefit. >> among the deals announced yesterday, china purchasing 200 boeing airplanes at a price task $1 billion, chinese companies also signed contracts, 70 contracts, both an estimated $25 billion for american products produced in a dozen states. white house officials estimate those contracts will support some 235,000 american jobs. so while the president would always like to get more out of these meetings they will certainly take that as deliverable from this meeting, jenna. jenna: mike emanuel at the white house for us today, mike, thank you very much. jon: going to take you now to south florida, and a very serious situation underway in miami. two federal marshals, reportedly shot, one reportedly shot in the head. harris faulkner is on it from the breaking news desk. >> reporter: we're going to be very careful with the details on this. our affiliate down there has

a helicopter reporter right now who is listening into scanner traffic, and he is right now trying to kind of decipher what he's hearing about this. this was a task force situation that was going on, miami-dade county task force, serving warrants at 69th and seventh avenue in miami. we're trying to learn exactly what has happened with an officer, and at least one other suspect. we can tell you that they are booking actively -- looking actively for someone on the loose right now. and i know there are initial reports of how that officer may have been shot. we have not confirmed that. so until the stats are confirmed, we're going to back off on that. what i can tell you, this a fully engaged scene in miami, involving at least two u.s. marshals at the scene there, one reportedly being shot. our fox affiliate is all over this. this is a live picture, obviously. you can see as they kind of fly back and forth to get into position to show us the exact location here. i'm going to jump off here, we're going to go to a quick commercial, i'm going to get

on the phone, kind out what i can. when we come back, we'll update. stay close.

jenna: taking you back live to miami, florida, where happening right now, you see it on your screen, a developing story, and reports that two u.s. marshals have been shot. harris you've been working this story? >> reporter: yes. what we're hearing right now, one of the suspect that is they said they were looking for, an offender on the scene is how it's coming across, a police officer is dead at the scene, shot. there is a very large perimeter around the shooting that involves reportedly two s*s marshals being shot and we had word that a suspect was shot as well and now we are hearing that possibly that suspect is dead at the scene. they are looking for at least one more person.

69th and seventh avenue in miami. in miami-dade county, police task force was serving warrants here when it went wrong, obviously, and so now they have set up this program tir -- praeuplter, a very wide one in this neighborhood. -- perimeter, a very wide one in this neighborhood. if that -- you're looking at the ambulance right now. we do have a report that the officer, one of the u.s. marshals who was shot has been transported to jackson memorial hospital. we watched one ambulance speed away just moments ago. this would be a second ambulance that you're looking at live, right now, here on the scene. we will stay on this and let you know what's playing out here. miami-dade county police task force runs into trouble, two marshals down and possibly now one of the suspects, dead at the scene. back to you guys. jenna: definitely a story we're going to continue to watch. harris, thank you very much.

jon: we are also continuing to watch what happens right now on capitol hill where the battle to overturn the health care law is moving from repeal to replace. the house is looking to make changes to the president's health care law, after its members voted to repeal the thing yesterday. what about the political fallout of all this? where does it go from here? joining us, eric billings, deputy editor of qc -- cq roll kaufplt we know the house doesn't like this thing but now it's going to the senate and senator harry reid, majority leader, says he's not even going to call a vote. so what happens? >> that's right. certainly republicans in the senate are going to try to force a vote, mitch mcconnell, minority leader, has said as much and house republicans aren't giving up. they had the repeal vote as you mentioned, it passed, it's probably not going anywhere in the senate as it's still controlled by democrats, but they're going to try to dismantle this piece by piece. they've already instructed the committees, the republicans have instructed the committees to get to work, they want to hold hearings, try to get at some

of the unpopular pieces, for example, health insurance mandates, taxes on businesses, some of those positions that they don't like and they know some democrats don't like as well. and maybe they can try to take it apart bit by bit. the other thing is building a political argument. obviously, 2012 isn't that far away and they want to keep building momentum, to build opposition to this law, and that will help fuel their efforts to try to win the senate and the white house in two years. jon: a lot of democrats are saying publicly and privately that they think republicans are going to shoot themselves in the foot by this focus on dismantling health care. is there any worry about that amongst republican? >> well, certainly they don't want to overreach. one of the arguments against democrats, when obama came into office, is that they spent so much time trying to pass health care reform in the first place and that really there were other things to worry about. obviously, economy is not where people want it to be, the unemployment rate is still high, and folks really felt that there was too much attention spent on health care, so republicans i think

are very aware of the risk. however, there are other things they've got to do and they know it, they have to deal with spending cuts which they promised they would do in the last election, they've got to deal with a budget coming up in the next few weeks, they've got to deal with the debt ceiling increase. that's going to be a big fight on the house and senate floors and they know that. even though they're going to deal with health care, they're going to talk about it, it's going to be continue to be part of the debate, it's not going to necessarily dominate the republican agenda. jon: erin billings of roll call, thank you. >> thank you jon. jenna: the chinese president and american president striking a deal, but some u.s. visits -- visitors losing out -- u.s. businesses losing out to chinese counterfeiters don't agree with this. a provision many small business owners say really hurts them. we're going to talk to a business owner who had the president's ear on this issue, just ahead.

>> reporter: i'm harris faulkner at the breaking news desk. ure looking live at the city of miami where they've had a shootout, miami-dade county police task force officer is down, reportedly shot in the head, being taken to jackson memorial hospital. we saw a couple of ambulances on our coverage of this. by the way this, played out

26 minutes ago, and the scene is still very active. they are no longer looking for a suspect. we are told two suspects now are dead, shot by police officers. they have, in fact, called off the canine unit to look for anybody, because they are no longer looking for anyone. there is a nearby elementary school. i'm working to find out whether or not that's still on lockdown. it was at the beginning of this. again, this is less than 30 minutes old. and people are still showing up. they've got a lot of officers on the scene and a very wide praeuplter. but the latest is a miami-dade task force police officer, who was with a group of officers serving warrants at this location has been shot, possibly in the head is what we're seeing, a lot of shots fired, people running for cover apparently in this neighborhood, two suspects did not get away. there was initially a search for one of them, both suspects have been shot. we'll stay on this situation should there be any more developments and information, we'll bring it

to you. now back to jon and jenna. jon: harris, thank you. and this fox news alert, a very scary situation in sav ana, but not sav ana, georgia, we're talking sav ana, new york, upstate, about 30 miles east of syracuse, where a school bus collided with a snow plow on a road this morning at an intersection there. we understand 17 children and the bus driver were injured, two of the students, trapped in that bus for about 30 minutes. so you know this was a very serious collision. the driver, a woman, was trapped in there for about an hour. an 11-year-old boy and the driver, still being treated at university hospital in syracuse, they were actually med i vaced there by helicopter, nine treated and released, one was transferred to another hospital in rochester, the plow tkraoeufrbgs we're told, not hurt, but a very scary situation there in sav

ana, new york. we'll keep you updated as we get more information. jenna: we talked to lawmakers yesterday on both sides of the aisle, as well as at the white house, about what they'd be willing to improve on the existing health care law. one topic kept coming up, that's the 1099 tax provision. what exactly is this provision? this provision will require companies to report any payments of goods or services of more than $600 to both the irs and vendor. the intent is to increase tax revenue back to the government and that's going to help offset the cost of the health care law, but critics argue it's going to hit already struggling small businesses and potentially cost jobs. we want to talk about this with small business owners, as well as, you know, other folks about what this really actually means. scott turner is a man that we talked to a few months ago, he also is a man who talked to the president at a town hall meeting, he's a small business owner, and scott, it's great to have you back. >> thank you, it's nice to know that you think i have

the president's ear! jenna: well, you are able to talk to him, and a lot of americans haven't been able to do it. so you didn't talk specifically about this issue, but because you're a small business owner, we wanted to ask you about this 1099 issue. what will it mean for your company? >> yeah, i have to confess, i hadn't even paid that much attention to it before i got the call yesterday to comeback to -- to come talk to you guys, so i did do research to figure that out. we generally treat things that fall from lawsuits, like things that fall from the sky, it's the weather and we have to adjust our business and figure out how to make our living no matter what's falling out. but in this case, i looked at that, and saw that the specific amount that it would cost us from the accounting standpoint in my business, the accountants told me maybe somewhere between $1000, and $2000, to run the 1099s, if i had them to do it and of course we could do the 1099 at the end

of the year, have a little 1099 party and write them up. it's not a big deal. that part didn't bother me, as much as the fact that if i follow this legislation, this rain that is falling from washington, if i follow this and the other guys don't, then it's just another thing i'm doing to be a legitimate business that my competition sometimes doesn't do, and so that's my bigger concern, not the actual work i would have to do to fulfill the requirement. jenna: do you see any benefits? because we hear from especially the democratic side that there's a lot of tax breaks for small businesses and certainly a lot of benefits that the health care law will bring. can you talk to us a little about that? >> the benefits that -- we already had our employees on health care so i didn't really have to track that closely, either, but i did, you know -- i supported a speed bump in the health care industry, i did support doing something to slow them

down. i would rather have imperfect legislation than no legislation. so i supported that. if this 1099 thing was a part of kind of trying to pay as you go with that, then i wouldn't mind doing the paperwork drill. i do know for smaller companies, jenna, six years ago, if i had to -- right now i have an accountant and an office manager, and they can, you know -- ci easily get these things done without too much pain. six years ago, if i was the only person wearing all those hats, like i was, then it would have been a great burden, and i think that's where the people that are rising up against this 1099 reporting situation, they're saying that if you're at a point where you don't have that office help and that accountant help, then it's really going to make it harder to do business. jenna: that's an interesting point, scott. and it's good to hear that your company is growing, and over the last six years, you've seen that growth, and it was nice to talk to you again scott, and we look forward to checking back in with you. >> thank you very much.

nice to be here. jenna: for more now, a little on this, the 1099 provision and the effect on small business, we have with us ken reynolds, he's from the national small business association he's also a small business owner and i think you heard a little about what scott said. does that match what you're hearing from other small businesses? >> yeah, i think it does match. what i would say, in my small business, last year, we wrote seven 1099 forms. if this law was in effect, we would have written 200 1099. jenna: does that cost you more money, more labor, what would that mean for your company? >> i guess the way i'd say that is i sell -- we're a small business, i have about 30 employees, and we sell nationwide, and so i file taxes, state and sales and income taxes in 48 states. we have federal tax requirements, of course, county and parish requirements, and so i basically have one person

essentially devoted to federal and state filing requirements. and the 1099, the new 1099 requirement, you know, one way to look at it, it's a 2700 percent increase in 1099 forms that i have to file, so yeah, it's more work, more labor, and in a way, more distraction from the real effort to grow my business. jenna: would it affect you hiring? >> to the extent that my business doesn't grow as much as i would like it to because we're diverted to this kind of evident, yeah, it would not allow me to hire people to support that group. jen yuen that's one of the complaints, of course, those that think this is the right thing to do say this is tax compliance and way to get more revenue. we'll see, tim, how they come together and maybe fix it, if both sides are

willing to and what that fix might mean. >> we're grateful on that, thank you. jenna: we'll continue to follow up, sir, thank you. jon: here's another issue that is vitally important to members of our audience, illegal immigration, some stretches of our border with mexico have a fence, a pretty impressive fence to try to stop illegal immigrants from getting into the u.s. a couple of girls demonstrate how quickly they can get over the thing. we'll take a look at what needs to be done to really secure our borders, coming up. also we're going to talk more about the state of small business in this country and how it affects all of us. we have a great panel lined up. we're going to put your questions to our guest. hair sis watching the chat. what are they talking about now? >> reporter: they're talking about small business. i tell you, jenna's interviews really got them lit up here, glenn writes about the ten the nine -- 1099 situation, harris, great, just what we need, more paperwork. this is a hot topic, and i'm reading, too, i'm putting live chat facts up from the

small business administration about how many businesses are owned by individuals, so on and so forth, and it's a huge part of our audience, and a lot of them are women, which kind of bodes well with what we see nationally in terms of statistics. get in on the conversation, go to fox news.cole, and you can go right to the top of the page, and you want to go to happening now, click on that, that will take you to the page. there's a clickable portion in red, says town hall, america's asking, go to it and get in on the conversation. we want to include your questions and comments so that not only can we give you a shoutout but put it to our panelist guests, because your questions are always fantastic. we want to include you. we'll be right back. stay with us.

jon: you think a fence will solve the problem right? what does it take for illegal immigrants to get across the border with stphebgz these are americans, it took less than 20 seconds to climb the

fence. keep in mind, sections of the fence cost taxpayers an average of $4 million a mile to build. so is it worth it? what are we doing right, what are we doing wrong when it comes to securing the border? george armano shot this, he's director of the film "the other side of immigration" and joins us now. let's talk about the situation there. first of all you were doing this documentary on the border fence, and these girls who were with you said we can climb the thing. >> i actually did a documentary called "the other side of immigration", that's been out, then i was doing test shoots for my new documentary which is going to look at this side of the border, so these folks know the border area very well and they were showing me the trails where migrants hike and the fence, and sort of spontaneously they said let's see if we can lime it and i pulled out my camera and shot it and inside it revealed that the fence is absurd, not doing what it's supposed to do, and it has unintended consequences. jon: i thought they made good neighbors.

>> in this case, not so much. jon: your point is you can build all the fences you want at $4 million a mile and you're still going to have people climbing over them pretty much at will? >> right. if we're really serious about our border security i think it's in our interest to be monitoring and regulating the immigration flows that are inevitable. there's a multi-million-dollar -- hundreds of million of dollars industry of human smugglers that will try to smuggle people in, they will build tunnels under the fence, they will get people over the fence, so we should be investing in an immigration system that gives the people the opportunity to enter the country the -- to enter the country. the typical mexican has almost no way of entering the country legally. we should expand the visas so workers can meet the labor demand. jon: you have just lit up our chat room because there are lots of unemployed people in this country who would like to have jobs and they say why are we letting people in when there's so much unemployment. >> but there are certain sectors of the economy where

immigrants go to. this is the old immigrants do jobs that americans don't do. i go to western new york state and i visit family farms who have ads in papers for 20 years and never had a native foreign worker respond to that ad and they depend on immigrant worker but the program which is the farm worker visa program only has less than 70,000 visas for 800,000, to 1.2 million jobs that need to be filled on our family farm. >> so if viewers want to look at this documentary, where do they find it? >> they can find "the other side of immigration" basically where dvds are sold, i tunes,. jon: george shot it, did everything. thank you for coming in. jenna: she was snatched from a hospital at 19 dys old and now more than two decades later she's been reunited with her family. we have that incredible story just ahead.

jon: president obama and chinese president hu jintao announcing a big new trade bill that will boost u.s. exports by about $45 billion, some american business leaders are questioning whether we should be toasting closer economic ties between the two nations, as long as chinese factories flood global markets with counterfeit versions of american goods, costing the u.s. jobs and profits. charlie hurt is washington bureau chief of the new york post. charlie, you wrote an interesting column about it in the paper this morning. a lot of people say so what? so they're selling fake handbags on the streets of new york city. what's the big deal? is it a big deal? >> obviously handbags are, you know, not quite as essential as some of the other things that are clearly being pirated such

as electronics, software and important products like that, that get picked up here in the u.s., brought back to china, reverse-engineered, and flooded into the market at a fraction of the price that the people who actually invented, created, thought up the product are selling their wares for. and it is a real problem, because not only is it sort of a damper on some of that creativity that is our skper tas and -- expertise and is crucial to innovation and technological advances, but it's also -- it's a completely different mindset they have what we have, is that there is sort of ownership of ideas, that there is an ownership of patents and if there isn't a respect for that, going back to the founders of this

country, if there isn't a respect for that there isn't going to be innovation, so it's crucial. jon: i don't mean to be flip here, but the point you're making is one day they may be copying some designer handbag, and the next day, they're copying a stealth fighter. >> well, in fact, they are doing it both on the exact same day. you know, the handbag example is an easy one to pick, because you know, you can send a reporter out on to the streets and they can pick up a bag. jon: and you did that. >> yes, we did that, and you can fairly well guarantee that the bag was probably made in china. it's a little bit harder to do that with a stealth fighter, and i'm no expert on military technology, but i've talked to military experts who say that, you know, clearly, so much of what was invested in that stealth fighter was, in fact , materials and technological advancements

that we spent billions and billions of dollars developing, mainly in private -- with private companies in america. and you know, without that investment, it's not going to be there. obviously, it's nice tong of getting cheap drugs from china or cheap whatever, you know, handbags from there, but if the country itself doesn't fundamentally respect patents, then you're quickly going to run into a dead-end there. jon: and maybe $135 billion worth of, you know, jobs in america now, economic activity that gets ripped off. charlie hurt from the "new york post", charlie, thank you. >> thank you jon. jenna: it's time -- iran is months away from producing enough uranium to produce a nuclear bomb. what does it mean for your national security? andples than two weeks after she was shot in the head, congresswoman giffords

stands up for the very first time. it's just another remarkable step in her recovery. her husband will speak live, moments from now. we take you there, straight ahead.

jon: we begin your second hour with a fox news alert. i'm jon scott, along with jenna lee, major medical developments regarding tkpwo*b -- gabrielle giffords. peats go to peter rhee. >> we will have comments and then have questions and answers. congresswoman giffords is doing well, we're pleased with her progression. that's enlightening for us, because we put them in the first couple of weeks, after injureo, it's somewhat significant and progress noetic of how she's going to do in the future. we're still doing the usual routine, things with her, which includes speech therapy, as well as aggressive physical therapy, and she continues to

participate and cooperate and make improvements on a daily basis. we're very happy. >> so as dr. rhee said, the congresswoman continues to do well newer logically, you've heard everything out there like, for example, she is beginning to stand with assistance, she's scrolled through an ipad, these are all fantastic advancements forward that do indicate higher cognitive function. but i do want to caution everyone that she has a long road ahead of area and rehabilitation will be very important, we've started that process here, we hope to continue that process at the next facility, where she visits. from a neurosurgical point of view we did do minor procedures. don't want to go into great deil. one included revision of one of her wounds but in a sense much of this is house keeping, it's really getting her to position where she can graduate from this hospital. on that, i'll pass it on to her husband.

>> secret notes. good morning, everybody. the last 12 days have been extraordinarily difficult for myself, my family, but not only us, i think it's been very difficult for the city of tucson, southern arizona, and our country. i don't think we're ever going to fully understand the why and the how and the reason for what happened on the eighth of january. you know, it's a loss of innocent life, the injury of a dozen people, the death of a nine-year-old girl, a federal judge, and the serious traumatic injury to

my wife gabriel. so we'll never fully understand that. you know, emotionally, this has been a challenge for all of us. but what this has done is it's certainly shown me, and i think not only our country, but the entire world, what tucson is all about. you know, it's showed them a different side of tucson, and i think all americans are very proud of what they've seen. and i know my wife, gabrielle, would be very proud of how this community has responded to this tragic situation. memorials outside this hospital, in front of the safeway, in front of gabby's office, has been really a testament to what this community is all about. the love and support that we've received is a bit overwhelming.

it's actually a bit difficult to even keep up with. but we are very, very appreciative. and i want to apologize for all those folks that have done so much for us that we haven't recognized yet. i know one of the first things gabby is going to want to do as soon as she's able to is start writing thank you notes, and i've already remained her of that. [laughter] >> i think as gabby moves into the next phase of her recovery, you know, she's going to need to -- continue to be string and -- strong and she will really appreciate the support of this community. you know, this is her home, this is the place she loves, the people she represents. we looked at a lot of places to move her to. we considered rehab

facilities in new york, in arizona, in chicago, in new jersey, washington, d.c., and also in houston. one of the best rehab hospitals in the nation and one of the closest of the best is in the city of houston. and that's the pier memorial herman rehab hospital. so it took a while to decide where to send her and there were many factors that went into that. some of those other places could certainly provide her excellent care and we did consider them all, tier hasun one of the -- tier memorial her man has been one of the top ranked rehab hospitals in the country for 21 years, it's got an outstanding world class reputation, the doctors and nurses there are among the best at treating penetrating

head injuries like gabby has been dealing with. so i want my wife to get the best possible care, and i'm convinced that she can get that at memorial herman. it's also one of the closest top ranked places to tucson, but what really is a critical factor in this decision is the fact that it's going to let me be there by her side as much as possible. every single day. and i don't know how long this whole process is going to take but if i want to at some point, you know, address the situation with our children, who are teenage girls, going to school every day, and also be able to at some point consider the possibility of returning to work, it makes most sense that she is in memorial herman in houston,

texas. so i'm extremely hopeful that gabby is going to make a full recovery. i've told her that. she recognizes it. she's a strong person, a fighter. i mean, she is a fighter like you know nobody else that i know. so i am extremely confident that she's going to be back here and back at work soon. i've been telling the hospital staff that she should -- they should expect to see her walking through these halls and within the icu in a couple of months. i'm sure of that. so she'll be back. one of the reasons she's going to be back is because of the excellent care she's received here, from dr. peter rhee and michael lamole, the other trauma surgeons, the other neurosurgeons, the opthalmology care, all the way up and down the chain here at umc, she has received nothing less than

perfect care. and that's the reason she's in the situation she is in now with the fact that within two weeks of this very serious injury is able to move on to the next phase. i also want to thank her nurses, the icu nurses that have tended to her around the clock, tracy colbrecht, amanda burner, joshua coleman, abrina beckel, jos lin, anashanli and angelique tadio have been by her side every step of the way. i also have strong feelings from the support we received from the pima county sheriff's department and the tucson police department. there have been volunteer tucson police officers in the icu, around the clock, since we arrived. you know, making sure everything goes as planned and that we don't have any other issues to deal with.

the capitol hill police have been with her around the clock as well. i also particularly want to thank the ceo of umc, kevin burns, mayor bob wackup, the university of arizona, president shelton, who i've known for years. i know each of them are deep ly committed to this community, their kind necessary and generosity of them and their teams have been just phenomenal. but really, the bottom line is i want to thank the people of tucson for their support that they have provided for me, my wife's staff, our family, over the last two weeks is, you know, really beyond what i would have expected of anybody. so we are deeply and gratefully thankful for that. so i'd like to take a couple of questions, if anybody has

them. and i think pete is going to do that. but right here, right in the front, ma'am. >> can you tell us about the logistics of moving her and what will that be like? >> we're going to move her tomorrow. we're going through the planning process, how exactly we're going to do that. so we're still in the first phases of putting that into place. but by the time we move her, we're going to have a good plan. >> mark, has she spoken yet? >> so that's a good question i feel she's made some attempts. she has a tracheostomy, she intellectually knows that's there, she understands what it means, but in my mind, she's made attempt. sue: does that concern you or is that normal? >> you know, this whole thing concerns me, from the time i got the first call, you know, until the time

that she -- until she makes a full recovery, yeah, i've got -- certainly have a lot of concerns. >> do you know who will be leading the team in houston in terms of her doctors there? >> the trauma doctor, dr. john holcum. and the neurosurgeon, dr. dr. brian hoe. >> can you talk more about what you mean that you know that she knows you're there, and you know that she knows what's going on? >> she is beginning to show -- she'll smile at me, she'll do a couple of things that she'll only do around me, like pat me on the face. she used to do that before, just -- just very gently. i can just look in her eyes and tell. i mean, she's well aware of who's around her. just, you know, very aware of the situation. >> can you tell us exactly what you experienced when

she took a step of her own, when she was able to look out the wind snow. >> yeah, so you know, i think standing and steps, what the general public or even myself would think that means and what physical therapists, you know, what the clinical definition of those two things -- i think they're a little different. so you know, she can bear her own weight, which is a big step. i think, you know, just speaking for the doctors here, i think she's made a remarkable recovery at this point. >> [inaudible] >> >> [question is inaudible] >> many every day. every time i interact with her.

there's something quite inspiring. so you know, it's just stuff like that that she does over an over again. i imagine the next step is she'll be walking, talking, and in two-months you'll see her walking through the front door of this building. thank you. jon: mark kel yes, a navy captain and astronaut, scheduled at this point still to fly the final mission of the space shuttle. he is also the husband to congresswoman gabrielle giffords. and you heard there some of the amazing progress that she has made, able to stand up, able to bear her own weight, scrolling through an ipod, this a woman who was shot in the head less than two weeks ago. jenna: a big statement coming from mark kelly, and it seemed like there was a lot of personal thought that went into what he shared with us, but he said she'll

be back. two-month, she'll be back. jon: all right. a four-year-old boy ripped right from his grandmother's arms, and police need your help in tracking down his kidnapper. harris is at the breaking news desk with details on that. it dominated every tv screen 20 years ago today, the beginning of operation desert storm to liberate kuwait. we'll mark it, coming up.

jenna: police in new jersey bust a threft ring wide open and now you see it for the first time on "happening now", police arresting five suspects just as they were allegedly in the process of stealing half a million dollars worth of high-end perfume, of all things. that may be just the tip of the iceberg, though. rick leventhal is breaking this for us in edison, new jersey. >> reporter: jenna, the new jersey state police cargo, theft and robbery

unit had a busy week and they say they have taken career criminals off the street, catching them red handed inside that warehouse. before we roll the videotape i want to set it up for you. by the way this is an exclusive to fox news channel. detectives got word, got information that these thieves might be targeting this particular warehouse. they got five undercover detect i was, local -- detectives, local police and put them in a room so the thieves can't get into that particular room, that room had windows and one of the detectives had a videocamera and is shooting out the window. roll the tape and you'll see some of these guys on the warehouse floor, wearing ski masks and gloves, they're casing the place, looking for what they want to steal, which as you mentioned turned out to be high end perfume. they found boxes of it, they are loading it on a forklift to put it into stolen trucks outside at the cargo bay. that's when the police run out, announce there are officers, the guys run for the exit, all five take off, one got into a car, couple

of them did and drove off. it was a short chase. they caught all five. you'll see on the video detectives leading one of them back into the warehouse without his mask on, this time wearing handcuffs. i wasn't to bring in lieutenant mike mcdonald with the new jersey state department to -- state police to talk about this. i didn't realize how big an issue cargo theft is, it's a billion dollars a year? >> in new jersey, it's roughly a billion and nationwide the estimates are 25-$50 billion. >> and these guys had perfume of all things. you also caught -- found a warehouse, you say they also had this other stuff, 7 truckloads of various merchandise. >> earlier in the week, we got a tip that some thieves were going to be selling stolen copper to a scrap yard up in hacken sack, we sent troopers up there, they made the recovery, in turn we hit a warehouse and covered that. >> liquor and clothing. how do they get rid of this stuff? >> they fence it off, find a market to sell it and there are people interested, when

the price is right, people will buy it. >> they're not getting this. that's evidence now. thank you very much, lieutenant. the state police, pretty happy about this, these guys are in custody and facing pretty serious charges jenna. jenna: incredible video and a great exclusive report. rick leventhal, thank you very much. >> sure. jon: in -- in californian amber alert for a four-year-old boy grabbed from his grandmother's arms. cops say they know who the abductor is. >> reporter: precious, juliona cardenas, we'e 30 minutes away from stanislaus county sheriff will begin with divers in a canal near paterson where this child went missing. apparently there was a vehicle that fits the description of the car used in the kidnapping that somebody thought they saw go into this canal. they have been looking and what they're expecting to do is rezoom their -- resume their search in 35 minutes.

stanislaus county sheriffs saying that a 27-year-old suspect, jose estevan rodriquez was at the home of the child and ripped the child out of the grandmother's arms and the mom gave a vigil last night in front of her neighborhood and reporters and she says she feels like the child will not be harmed but this latest development that they're going to go out to this canal near the home where this witness saw a vehicle fitting the description used in the kidnapping puts a whole new light on this. we're going to continue to follow this. we may find out more at the top of the hour when they're set to go out and really get that search of that canal in force. jon: let's hope we learn something more and hope for good news. >> hope it's positive. jenna: a creative compromise and how to get the debt under control, one freshman senator is bring ago brand new idea to the tail and is here live to tell us his plans. a woman holding on for dear life when a purse snatcher tries to rip her

off. it's the must see moment of the day. you don't want to miss it.

jenna: there's talk on capitol hill about freezing the debt ceiling. that is the legal limit on the amount of money that uncle sam can borrow. some say we should freeze it, some say we should raise it. it's tough to know what really is going to happen. but the big situation is that we default on debts, is it going to be catastrophic for our economy. we can't do that, the ceiling must be raise the. -- raised. now there's a plan that allows maybe both, not raise the debt ceiling and not default on debt. it's a brand new idea coming from a brand new senator, pat tumi -- toomy, republican from pennsylvania is with us on his thoughts. senator toomy, what's your idea? >> well, first of all,

eventually, we probably will raise the debt ceiling, but it's very, very important to me that we not do that unless we've taken the steps to get spending under control. so how do we make sure we don't have a default on our bonds in the meantime and if there is a period during which we can't keep the debt ceiling frozen where it is? the answer is simple, really. the government is going to take in a lot of revenue from taxes, even if there is no increase in the debt ceiling and no ability to borrow extra money, people are still going to have to pay their taxes. that's more than enough money to pay all the interest and principal on our bonds. and so i'm going to introduce legislation that will simply instruct the treasury and say in the event that we do not lift the debt ceiling and we reach it, then the first priority will be to pay interest and principal payments on our bonds so that the u.s. government will not default and we will not have a financial crisis. this can be avoided. jenna: the treasury secretary tim geithner says if we don't raise the debt ceiling, and this is his words, there's going to be a

catastrophic economic consequences that will last for decades. do you agree with that and has the treasury secretary reacted at all to your plan? stkpwhraoeu haven't heard a reaction from him to my plan but i have to tell you, i think that business as usual will lead to catastrophic results. if we just keep running massive deficits, weep racking up debt, you know, the total amount of debt has been accelerating dramatically, we've seen how this ends for countries in europe. this is a disaster that's unfolding. and i'm just not willing to go along with business as usual. so what i'm saying is let's take the speckter of default on our debt off the table. we can avoid that under any circumstance. and then let's insist that if we're going to raise the debt ceiling, we're going to do it with new cuts in spending, and new budget process that will allow a sustainable physical trajectory, get us to a balanced budget. i just think we have to make those changes. jenna: when you talk about

new spending cuts let's get more specific because we've talked about compromise, about okay, we'll raise the debt ceiling but with it as you mentioned are going to have to come serious cuts. what's a reasonable expectation for our audience about what kind of cuts the republicans would like to see? >> well, there's a lot of specifics. i'm one that thinks that we need to ban earmarks and there's a lot of consensus on that. i don't think we should be bailing out failing companies. i don't agree with the idea that the government should launch stimulus spending to try to get economic growth going again, that just is a failed policy. i don't think we should be subsidizing corporations. there's a lot of places where we can cut spending. ultimately what i think we really ought to do is agree to a balanced budget amendment to the constitution which over time gets us to a balanced budget, limits total spending as a percentage of our economy so that we don't just keep growing government, and make it very hard to raise taxes, a supermajority vote in congress that would be necessary to raise taxes. you know, if we could put

together a package like that, then i think the entire world would breathe a great sigh of relief, would see that the u.s. government is now fiscally on a sustainable path. i think it would be terrific for our economy and it's what we need to do. jenna: it sounds great. is it stphobl. >> i think it's more possible now than it's ever been. the election last fall was to a large degree about getting the government under control, getting spending under control, reducing decifits. the pennsylvanians that i talk to every day, they know we can't borrow and spend our way to prosperity and they're worried that their kids' future is jeopardized by this mountain of debt that we just keep piling on every day. they want us to do something about it. so i think it's more possible now than it's ever been. jenna: senator toomy, we'll take that optimism, especially when it's talking about these big issues. we appreciate you joining us today and look forward to talking to you again sir. thank you. >> thank you for having me. jon: a debt ceiling, a big topic on the chat right now. now to a breaking story

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jenna: every day america is asking about jobs and what it will take to create more. on capitol hill jobs have become a key issue in the debate over health care. so how will the new law affect jobs? really that all depends who is doing the talking. >> the health care reform act is a jobs bill. >> this bill is detrimental

to job creation in this country. >> this is a job promoting brill. this is a job-inducing bill. >> this will crush jobs. >> health care legislation is job creating. >> it will increase spending increase taxes and destroy jobs in america. jenna: well you can't get too far apart, right? job-promoting or job-killing obviously different opinions on this we'll ask this question to our town hall panel today. david cutler applied economics of harvard university and fellow at center for american progress. douglas holtz-eakin former director of congressional office and bob brusca. fact and opinion economics. david, i will start off with you, why do you believe this new health care law will create jobs? >> it is actually very simple. what we know is that when business health care costs rise, they higher fewer workers. and what the bill that was passed last year did is work to lower the cost of business spending on health insurance. therefore when those costs

decline, businesses will have more money. some of that money will show up as greater employment that is what all the economic research says. that is what all the macroeconomic models say. that is really what we should expect to happen. jenna: let me go ahead. i'll get back to you, david. doug, let me bring you in. the way david explains it, sounds simple enough. why do you believe the health care law won't create jobs. >> it is very simple. he is right about economics. he is wrong about the law. those impartialal observers look at at it, administration own actuary richard foster concluded health care spending will be higher not lower on the low. it will go the wrong way on long term jobs appointment of view. you never come up with a remedy to raise $500 billion in, it is a over next 10 years, exactly what the law does. if you look at economy had trillion dollars deficits as far as the eye could see you would not set up new entitlement programs that exacerbated it. that is bad for long run savings investment and

long-run growth. we have something not structured to solve our problems. jenna: david, your thoughts again. you have put out a study says listen if we repeal the health care law we could loss on average 400,000 jobs every year. that is a lot of jobs. >> it is indeed a lot of jobs. you know, it is interesting because in a decade ago, when the clinton administration, people who are now saying this bill will kill jobs, said that the clinton administration would destroy jobs. of course it led to the most rapid economic recovery in decades. and those same people said that the bush economic plan would create lots of jobs and it led to the worst economy since the great depression. we have a track record. the track record shows those who consistently fought measures like this have been on the wrong side. those who have thought bringing power of markets to bear and doing the right thing would turn out well for the economy have been right. we don't need to be hypothetical. we can look at record. jenna: bob, your thoughts on this.

david and doug are obviously on different sides. both of them make strong arguments what could eventually happen. you put out economic reports every day. you're constantly looking at the economy. what is your take? is there somewhere in the middle that you find, middle common ground here? >> first of all the idea we have a record. i would really set that aside. we're coming off a period very unique an assault on america. we had war that was undertaken to try to protect america. we had this financial crisis that occurred. to think during this period we get an objective view what the administration's policies did for growth i think is absolutely ridiculous. i don't think you can use that as an example at all. beyond that you look at health care plan, you see you're extending benefits to all of these people. you have to ask yourself how can you extend benefits to all the people and how can save money? obviously this can not save money. it has to cost us money. the thing i don't like placing entitlement on firms having to provide it. if we want a government health care system if we want to make health care a right like the right to speech or right to breathe,

i think that you have to provide that. you get people warrants or chips or something you pay for out out of the budget. you don't do it through the private sector where clearly this is going to add another burden to firms when they start to think about hiring. that can't make them want to hire more people. the logic of some of these plans just completely escapes me. jenna: david, nicky on our chat board had this to say. she says i'm afraid. i'm cutting my business back. i think that underlines some uncertainty from the public, whether or not they're republican or democrat or even have political leaning there is uncertainty, certainly a lack of confidence about this law because it's new. that can affect the economy as well, can't it? >> oh absolutely. anything that's new is uncertain. let's also remember some of the other uncertainties. people who are afraid to start new businesses because they think they will lose their health insurance. people who are afraid to move to part-time labor and take care after sick child or elderly parent because they're afraid they won't get covered anymore.

there is a huge i am paidment towards dynamism in the economy which is lack of universal coverage and lack of ability to be continuously insured. by getting rid of that this law opens that up. we're already seeing that. people are saying thank goodness my child can now be covered. i think i can stay in a small business. thank goodness i can now afford it because of the tax credits going to small first. so in fact the first things that we're seeing much more so that uncertainty is which is always a there, thank goodness i feel more secure. i do more of the right thing nor me economically. jenna: doug, final thoughts on this. health care costs are rising. we talked about that with the law, without the law. it seems to be an issue still not necessarily being dealt with head-on. the talk to us a little bit about that and what's ahead with the law, without it or regardless of it? >> well, i think the facts as i said before, anyone who looked at this from objective point of view recognizes this is about a big government check writing exercise, not controlling national health care costs.

so the same pressures been on businesses for years remain on businesses. some of them are worse. the kinds of things that david talked about are nice in theory but they're not what the bill does. there is no portability of insurance on this bill. small business tax credits are temporary and go away. in the end you're going to see businesses who have mandates to provide health insurance, heavy reporting requirements like widely discussed 1099 mandate and this is all negative for wages and low-income people get hurt, negative for jobs. very hard to argue big-spending program will help with spending tough to argue with some of the hypotheticals as well as we look ahead to the future. none of us can see it clearly. david, doug, bob, thank you very much, appreciate you having your insights on today. >> thank you. jon: some new details ahead about iran's nuclear program and perhaps brand new fears about the rogue nation's ability to develop a nuclear weapon. how close are they really? we'll take a look.úñ ♪

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kelly aft bunch labor and other groups are planning to descend on a man's home to protest development of a walmart in d.c.. his home. they put a target on the flyer expressing their outrage. we investigate. plus guess who is now leading the pack among possible gop presidential candidates ahead of romney, ahead of palin? here's a hint. he was governor of arkansas and he is here live. plus the family of a 75-year-old woman who died after paramedics took two hours to respond to her heart attack in the new york christmas blizzard is now suing the city. kelly's courtation that on. asian-american tiger mom made national headlines of her published criticisms of western parenting. no sleepovers or play dates of any kind she believes. how does her husband feel about that? tiger dad joins me live today. see you at the top of the hour. jenna: we're watching breaking news out of miami-dade county in florida

where two officers were shot. we have confirmation about their conditions. harris is watching story very closely since it broke two hours ago. >> we were cautioning our viewers were going to hold pat until we got exact details because this situation has been more than fluid. miami-dade authorities confirming deaths now of one of its task force police officers that went out to the location at 69th and nor west 7th in the city of miami to serve warrants. there was a huge shootout. they cordoned off the area. when the whole thing was over, one suspect shot and two police officers down. we know that one of those officers did not make it. we did see the coverage of bodies there on the scene. we could not confirm who they were. now we know, one police officer, a female, has been taken. she is listed in critical condition and in surgery at this time. the miami-dade police commander saying that second officer had multiple gunshot wounds. we are all over this story on "fox news channel." we'll bring it to you. now you see the brand new

video coming in of people consoling each other at the scene. a very tough situation playing out in miami. back to you too. jenna: oh, my god goodness, video, sometimes, unbelievable. jon: there is some new and alarming information out now about iran's nuclear program. new evidence now that the reg beam in iran could produce enough weapons-grade uranium to build an atomic warhead in just five months. this disturbing development comes one day before nuclear talks with iran begin in turkey. richard grenel has served as spokesman for the last four u.s. ambassadors to the u.n. and joins us now. rick, it seems like we have been talking, we've been holding talks with iran for years now and nothing substantive has come out of them. why do we think these talks might produce some kind of an agreement? >> you're so right and i'm not sure these talks that start tomorrow in istanbul with the five permanent members of the security

council and germany are actually going to produce much. as a matter of fact, i would suggest that with the russian comments recently and secretary of state hillary clinton's comments that sanctions are working, we need to hope to hold the line on these sanctions. the americans and the british have talked about having unilateral sanctions but we've had five resolutions and four rounds of sanctions at the security council trying to stop the iranians from pursuing this nuclear weapon and so far it really hasn't worked. what we do know is that the iranians are now enriching uranium at 20% grade. just under 20% grade. which is what they need to make a bomb. i think that's frightening. jon: this new report out from the federation of american scientists says they could have enough uranium for a bomb within five months. do you agree? >> well, you know, jon it is interesting because we've had this intelligence and estimates of five months. there have been others that

say multiple years. it's important to remember that all of this is just estimates and when it comes to iran or iraq or pakistan or north korea, we have seen estimates that have underestimated and overestimated the seriousness of what these countries have. so i would say that we have to continue putting the pressure on. now is not the time to let up. i'm not so sure sanctions are working. but the one thing that we do know is that we can not let the pressure off. jon: well you say, you know, keep the pressure on but again it doesn't seem like pressure has done much to deter the iranians from trying to develop some of these things that the world has said you should not have, they should not have? >> absolutely. i think the security council has mandated that they should not have this. it's important to remember that the iranians themselves say that they are just trying to get peaceful nuclear energy. we don't agree with that.

many estimates believe that they are not telling the truth. so the onus is on the iranians to come forward and say, look, let's try to show the world that this is a peaceful situation. this past weekend they did open up natanz and another facility to members of the iaea to come in and look however they didn't invite some of the western powers that have the technical knowledge to know exactly what's going on. so when you disinvite the americans and the british and the experts on nuclear technology it sends a powerful message that you are trying to hide something. jon: richard grenel, richard, thanks for your expertise. jenna: we saw the news conference happen with the attorney general right on our show live. more than 120 alleged mobsters arrested in one of the biggest organized crime busts ever. we have fresh reports and information, top of the

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jon: do you remember what you were doing 20 years ago today? i certainly do. the nation was riveted to television screens. president h.w. bush now remembering the start of the persian gulf war today in texas. two decades ago the u.s.-led a coalition of forces from dozens of nations to liberate kuwait from iraq. that commemoration later on taking place at texas a&m university. that is where we find kris gutierrez. >> good morning to you, john. later on this evening bush 41 cabinet included heavy hitting names, dick cheney, colin powell well, brent scowcroft will meet inside

the arena where the men and women's basketball teams play the home games. the stage is already set. as you mentioned it has been 20 years since president bush said this to our troops. listen here. >> we're not walking away until our mission is done. until the invader is out of kuwait and that may well be where you come in. [cheers and applause] >> reporter: shortly after the war to push saddam hussein's iraqi forces out of kuwait began the fighting lasted just 43 days. as you mentioned, jon, was made possible by a grand coalition of international partners. tonight key decisionmakers meet to discuss the impact of their actions then and now. listen here. >> really the first time in almost since that event that you will have the people who wrote this first important chapter in post-cold war history, that defines the

era we live in through their actions coming together to talk about what happened 20 years ago. >> reporter: tonight's event is free, open to the public. already 5,000 tickets have been handed out. in fact i'm told that a large contingent from fort hood, which is the largest military installation in the country, will be here. they're being bused over from fort hood. it is about a two hour drive but they didn't want to miss it. back to you. jon: hard to believe it has been two decades. kris gutierrez. thanks. jenna: an elderly woman dragged by an suv and all caught on tape. what led to the horrifying scene? it is our must-see moment of the day mary! hey!

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