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ways. the stakes and the risks have not changed. they are huge. but the middle east, as sure -- has surelily entered a new and even more complicated phase that's our show tonight. i'm bret baier in washington, thanks for watching. >> greta: fox news alert: news there was an assassination attempt on egypt's new vice president monday two days after we was vice president. tonight white house sources confirm the attempt to fox news this was an organized attack and two bodyguards killed protecting egypt's vice president suleiman killed in the attack on the vice president's motorcade. egypt's president mubarak is still in power and the case continues this video
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shows more than 200,000 protesters storming tahrir square. all demanded a day of departure. but it didn't work. president mubarak did not depart. right now, it is getting more dangerous. the newest target, journalists. reporters and photographers are not only being beaten, now one reporter is dead. one week ago the journalist was taking pictures from a balcony and a sniper shot him. earlier today he died. in a few minutes greg palkot talks about escaping from a bloody beating as he and the news team were attacked. right now a new day is beginning in egypt it is just after 5 a.m.. dominic, tell me what is going on now? >> reporter: let's give you more information with regard to that assassination attempt on vice president suleiman. this happened on monday the 31st, of january.
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he had been sworn in two days previously as vice president, the first vice president we've seen in this country in nearly 30 years. it appear the attack was timed to coincide with his movement across the city by car that's what we are hearing from the official sources. two of his bodyguards killed, as you say. there's no details on how many were involved in the attack. it seems it was well-organized enough to believe he was the specific target. he managed to get away safely. two of his bodyguards killed. things are somewhat calm today we did hear gunfire over tahrir square which means things are not fully stabilized many more people flood into the square today, pretty peaceful. as we were driving past families were joining in the throng. i saw a man holding his son on his shoulder. three walking together.
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popular love song in egypt being sung in the form of protest amthem. indication of the attitude and stance of the anti-government protesters in comparison to the pro-government supporters who have been taken a very aggressive stance and the main causers of trouble. they turned up with weapons that first started picking up stones and sticks and the molotov cocktails and throwing them. >> greta: you get the sense that the protesters are getting more revved up more interested in coming out or worn down and getting tired of returning to protest or can't you tell? >> reporter: when you speak to them, they are more determined than ever before. they know they've got the and tenacity to hang in for as long as they need to, until they see hosni mubarak leave. some are trying to convince them they don't need to be there day in and day out and trying to suggest come back ties a week until september when he leaves, tuesdays and
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thursdays are the days they are suggesting which seems prepros russ for the group who has no intention of leaving. so, there is perhaps a campaign of attrition buy the government in which they hope the protest -- by the government in which they hope the protesters will get weary but they are resolute. the protesters are calling day for another day of a million men marching on cairo in protest against president mu and his failure to depart as they are demanding. if anything you are perhaps going to see more come forth over the weekend. we'll see whether that happens. >> greta: would vice president suleiman be a good substitute for most protesters if he were able to within the constitution assume presidency for a short period of time? is he accept able or just as unacceptable as mubarak?
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>> reporter: for as long as h m remains president it roads his credibility. he is still seen as part of the regime. he's a military man in the same way hosni mubarak was. they worked together when he was in the military. although he does have good relations with the international community, as long as he remains associated with the old garr, let's use that phrase, then -- the old guard, let's use that phrase, then the protesters are going to reject him, going to start to reject him more and more. there are elements that are rejecting him because he has associated with mubarak. there is no suitable alternative as a caretaker president for want of a phrase. ultimately he has to start distancing himself in some way from hosni mubarak, before he becomes irrelevant that creates a power vacuum where nobody has credibility and it is not clear who is in charge. >> greta: dominic, thank you. now to the seats of cairo.
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you are meeting three egyptian protesters in the thick of this crisis. you won't believe the video and stories they are about to tell you. they join on skype from cairo. tell me, why did you want president mubarak out? >> clarification, we are a youth movement. the world needs to realize what we've created in the last 10 days. no one has ever been able to do. we don't have a leader, we would like to thank the elders, who have taken things in their own hands and having dialogue with the government. we might have solution the constitution will take a long time to get what we are looking for.
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however mubarak in, mubarak out is not what we are looking for. we are just very excited what we've been able to do. and september maybe we will have a true democracy in egypt. >> greta: what do you want to happen in egypt? >> change something that all egyptians want at the moment. whether it is mr. mubarak stepping down now or later, i think we've achieved so much in the last 10 days. we've been waiting for this, for 30 years. people need new blood as part of their government. tp lot of unity among the rich, the poor, the muslim, christians, elders, younger, as part of this process, people helping with food, medical supplies, it has been unbelievable. >> greta: what would you say is the impression that the
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protesters have of the united states right now? >> well, the egyptians in general don't like to take orders from anyone. they don't like foreign parties interfering with their country. this is a youth movement and they would very much like america to stand by its backing of democratic movement all around the world. they would like to see america supporting this youth movement. what is very important is for americans to understand this is our movement, the youth and we do not want any of the political parties to hijack what we've been doing, with their own agenda. >> greta: if the youth movement does this is your movement, as you say, let's assume mubarak leaves, who do you want to run your country? i can't say today who i
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want to run my country. opposition parties have not participated in the political process for so long that i don't know anything about them. as the government needs to do a lot of reforms we the people need to educate ourselves with the options we have. i would like a good caretaker to take care of this transition period. i would act -- i would accept someone like the vice president suleiman because he would bring stability. the last thing we want is chaos. we would like somebody to come in -- we wouldn't like somebody to hijack and take control and go through the same thing again. >> greta: i'm listening to kareem talking the vice president. the vice president has been close to the united states over the years he's worked closely the war on terror and head of your intelligence. is he someone you think most people would accept in this short run tofp=y be the head of the country?
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>> definitely, we've had emergency law. there's a lot of fear in the streets. however, he's the man of intelligence. he's very well known around the world. he has great relationships. i think he's the man who can take us forward in this transition. >> greta: what is the view of president obama among the protesters? if you can generalize about how the protesters feel about how president obama is doing? >> can you repeat your question again? >> greta: if it is possible, can you tell me, generally what the protesters think of what president obama has been doing so far or not doing? >> i think highly of president obama showing his attention to the problem is a good thing. too much attention might be not the best move right now as well.
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egypt wants to be independent and have their independent choices. any help they can get is great, but they don't want anyone imposed upon them. >> i think the american administration has been taken by surprise by what has happened in the last 10 days in egypt. there has been missed signals coming from the administration. first they were hesitant to speak out. then they were pro the youth movement. now i think they are hesitating again. they want a smooth, stable transition. i didn't think the egyptians or the youth movement is very much interested in what president obama thinks or what the administration thinks. but we would like them to support the endeavours of the egyptian youth, at this time. >> greta: thank you all. i hope you join us again and good luck to the three of you, thank you.
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one thing is clear no one is safe even journalists are being attacked. our news team are trained to stay out of danger. an angry mob of violent protesters, greg is telling details of this terrifying attack saying when a molotov cocktail smashed through the window of the room we were in spreading gas all over the floor we decided that was it. we weren't going to go up in flames. immediately, they made a -- a dash for the street.
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>> greta: both were treated at an egyptian hospital and fox news safely evacuated them from the country. we will put a link to greg palkot's account of this brutal attack on gretawire.com. i'm going to take you back to cairo. but first, imagine this, bayonets on rifles. that is happening. that's not even in cairo that is alexandria, egypt is happening in the second largest city now? mike tobin with a live report, next. is egyptian president mubarak considering leaving now? if so, where could he go? will it be exile for him? his biggest fear possibly. ambassador john bolton is here. stay tuned. i like to make my own investment decisions.
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>> greta: only two hours from sunrise in egypt. danger is consuming egypt. protesters are gearing up for day 12. mike tobin joins us live from alexandria, egypt. >> reporter: the demonstrators are still out on the street at this late hour. president mubarak is still in his palace in defiance of what the demonstrators want. tens of thousands took to the streets. the violence that was feared on a ground scale only materialized in the form of little skirmishes. we've now arrived at this test of wills. life is difficult not only for the demonstrators but for
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people all over egypt. a lot prisoners in their homes. basic necessities of life are difficult to get to. bread, fuel. the people staying out it is cold at night, sanitary conditions are getting worse all the time. as you've heard they know if they leave now it is possible they could stop short of the goal of affecting real government change. >> greta: somebody has to call it off some way. this can't be a standoff. are the protesters going to get worn down or mubarak going to throw in the towel? foreigners have left, if you are a betting guy who is getting worn down now? >> reporter: i'll stick my neck out, i would say the demonstrators have the upper hand. they have such a volume of numbers, such a volume of people who are out there. that seems to be why there
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want a lot of violence, because there were just so many anti-government demonstrators on the street the pro-mubarak demonstrators were overwhelmed. right now the numbers, the know machine item seems to be with the anti-government demonstrators. but life is tough for them. it will be a war of an as we move forward. >> greta: they are on the street, they don't have good sanitary, miserable, they are going to get tired. president mubarak is sitting in the palace or house or whatever. i can't imagine he can't wait them out. what difference does it make to him? >> reporter: maybe his stomach isn't tougher suffering. -- isn't suffering. but his ego is probably badly suffering. this is a military guy he likes to be strong in control. i think he's grasping at that control with his fingernails. being bet discussions are taking place behind the scenes about how they can make a transition and he can hang on
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to what is important to his ego at this stage. >> greta: mike, thank you. be safe. coming up, president mubarak didn't depart on the day of departure. the opposite. is he heading out? is he headed for exile? where would he go? later back to cairo where protesters have plans for day 12. we'll show what is going on right now. ♪ eggland's best eggs. the best in nutrition... just got better. even better nutrition -- high in vitamins d, e, and b12. a good source of vitamin a and b2. plus omega 3's. and, 25% less saturated fat than ordinary eggs. but there's one important ingredient that hasn't changed: better taste. better taste. better taste. yum! [ female announcer ] eggland's best. better taste -- and now even better nutrition --
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>> greta: egyptian president mubarak has dug his heels in deep he says he's not going, not now. he's surrounded with armed guards, vowing to stay in power through september. the calls for him to step done are getting louder. how long can he hang on? former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. john bolton joins us. good evening. i'm trying to figure out as i look at these protests and conditions are getting worse for the protesters unless they broke really bad and it got more catastrophic i can't see why the president would feel the need to leave. he's got his food and status i think he can live with the status quo longer than they can, am i wrong?
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>> the weight of western media reporting is that mubarak has to go in days or weeks, at most. that immediately leaves me to conclude he will probably be there until september. western media are talking to the same people, talking to themselves. i have to say, i don't agree with the reporters who have been saying that the momentum is on the side of the demonstrators. tuesday they wanted a million man march, they had 200, 2 y,000. today was the day of departure, 200, 250,000. tomorrow they've called for another million man march, we'll see. i think we should be at peace with the conclusion that we don't have a clue ha is going on. the real negotiations are all taking place behind the scenes. everybody is negotiating with everybody. is a 24/7 process and the outcome remains uncertain. >> greta: i guess that was my thought looking at the people. of course it is much different on the ground.
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i'm thinking that the last thing that the three protesters we had -- within of the things they said, they don't want the united states to tell them who is going to be in charge of their country. vice president suleiman the one that the united states is sort of cozyed up, if he were to become the president for a period of time, forget the issues of the constitution he seems like a bad idea, because he was head of their intelligence and instrumental in all the rendition during the -- during much of the iraq war, i can't imagine the arab nations would be happy with someone who had been part of the rendition. he seems like a really bad choice. i think they would rather have mubarak stay until september, the united states. >> i thought the interview with those three young egyptians was fast nailing. i saw some acceptance of suleiman. i think that's an indication of how uncertain the situation
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is if you look at the media reports who have is doing the negotiations, it is the -- elite in egypt tkpwerb shifting with other members of the elite not the demonstrators. -- you see people like foreign former minister, he would love to be president. his people are talking to the media. another former ambassador from egypt to the united states, they know how to spin the american media well and they are spinning away. i think people have to be cautious about reading trends from what happens 15 minutes to 15 minutes. >> greta: interesting that mohammed elbaradei the closest thing for a little while who might have seemed to be maybe a leader in this, he's very critical of secretary of state hillary clinton. he's critical of her comments, he's written something that has appeared in "newsweek" magazine he's taken swipes at our secretary of state and he
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doesn't seem to be getting the momentum this is a movement without any leader. no one to inspire them. >> this is deeply troubling for me. i'm so tempted to say, i told you so to the western media who just about had elbaradei inaugurated as president. i think it is another peace of evidence of the fluidity of the situation among the protesters, among the opponents of mubarak. i want to say again, i think it is very important to understand the regime is the military. suleiman, the defense minister, the prime minister, mubarak and other jen rams whose names are not yet house -- other generals whose names are not yet household words. they are negotiating among themselves. they are not leaking as much as the western intellectuals in cairo today. >> greta: you mentioned the prime minister in egypt. i was reading the english
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speaking newspaper online in egypt, i don't know what the political bent of it is. he said that he wants -- that mubarak should stay until september this is the number appointed prime minister. he says that for stability and he says this matter doesn't require that mubarak step down now. he meaning mubarak said he would go in september, five months won't make a difference that's the attitude of the prime minister. >> right. for all you can tell from the surface the demonstrators are still in the street and mubarak is still in his office on the day of departure who is ahead now? >> greta: indeed. nonetheless it seems extraordinarily dangerous. i know the journalists who are hardworking trying to get the message out of what is going on, the information they are certainly enduring a lot. ambassador, thank you. we take you back to cairo where just about daybreak. what will happen next? no one is certain. we'll show what is going on right now.
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>> later, president obama is condemning the violence in egypt. calling attacks on journalists and peaceful protesters, unacceptable. tonight, a new message for the egyptian government. what is he saying? will they list in? we'll show you in minutes. i love winter. with my suba forester and its all-wheel dre... ... handling even the toughest conditions... is just another day at the beach.
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>> greta: in one hour the sunrises. the day of departure is officially over protests not over. president mubarak still in power. charles levinson is in egypt. any end in sight? is either side going to call uncle and end this? >> reporter: there are some signs that we might be getting close. there's rumors, reports that the vice president has looked into meeting with some prominent egyptian academics to try to eke a way out of this.
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reports are preliminary it is not clear what it means whether the opposition will accept it. but it appears to be another sign that the regime is continuing to backpedal and scramble to figure out how to deal with this. there are reports coming, but a lot of difficult to confirm of splits within the regime of people starting to look for -- very senior figures starting to realize if they want to save their own positions they might need to push aside mubarak. again h this is sort of rumors -- rumor mill it is hard to though what is true. -- to know what is . >> greta: i asked people people what the protesters think of the united states. if vice president suleiman is the heir apparent if he would
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move into the presidency assuming there are no constitutional issues. if he is so closely tie -- tied to the united states as mubarak was. number one, get the sense americans and the united states is respected and think want our help and our involvement? number two, is suleiman connected too much to us or not? >> reporter: first off, the government tries to discredit the protest movement by painting it as serving foreign interests. you will hear a lot of ing foreign intervention in egypt, even among the protesters as a means of a rebuttal those efforts by the government. as for the protesters themselves, views on the united states, honestly the protests are very, very diverse group of people who really do span the segments of
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society. >> greta: charles, thank you and good luck. >> greta: right now president obama is calling for change in egypt. he is not telling president mubarak to step done. >> the president: it will be determined by its people. -- it is clear there needs to be a transition process that begins now. that transition must initiate a process that respects the universal right of the egyptian people and that leads to free and fair elections. the details of this transaction will be worked out by egyptians. my understanding is some discussions have begun. >> greta: you heard him calling for egyptians to make a smooth transition of power. is this possible? ned walker former ambassador to egypt joins us live.
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al-jazeera.com there's a reference that talks about washington's cue date -- coup d'etat, not egypts. what should we be doing? how closely involved we be? you've spent a lot of time in egypt. should we stay away, get involved, what? >> three young men you had on, are the people who are the future of egypt. those young men were saying they don't need our help. they have a very clear idea where they want to take egypt. anything we do to try and capture or talk over this rebel john on the part of the people will be very -- rebellion on the part of the people will be very counter productive. i think the president understands that, that's why he is saying it is up to the egyptian people. >> greta: our reporter was talking about how diverse the protesters are.
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if there were a leader, when you have diverse protesters, it is hard to get a leader if there is no leader that adds to the case and the lack of direction, lack of certainty or common goal. is there a leader, in your mind? is one going to emerge? >> there's no leader in the sensó8hváu are talking about. they are a diverse group with different interests but they have one interest in common, change. chang in the regime. they seem to be will -- change in the regime. they seem to be willing to accept the idea that the established military leadership can have a major role in leading the country out of this crisis. whether it is omar suleiman or the -- they respect these people and you saw that when the field marshal showed up at the tahrir square. they haven't excelled or eliminated all possibility of people who are associated with
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the former regime of having a part in making the transition. but, i think it is very clear they don't want to have those same people be the future leaders of he script. >> greta: who is likely -- leaders of egypt. >> greta: who is end up going to lead this country? what makes -- as you look at this, can you give us some guidance? what do you think is going to happen? >> first, there's going to be a transitional period when the military ensures the security of the country and ensures again the kind of violence that you have seen the last couple of days. i think the military feels a great responsible to the people of egypt. and does not seek to establish a military dictatorship. you start looking around for political people. people who have been involved before or who has some credibility among the population. one person whose name has come up repeatedly, a from of mine,
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foreign minister he was ousted by mubarak because he was too popular. he seems to have some sense of what the people want. maybe that's one solution. there may be others. >> greta: should israel be really worried tonight? >> israel should be very worried. because the future of israel is going to depend not entirely obviously, but to a great deal on where this whole operation goes. israel depends on that security treaty with the egyptians, we depend on it. we depend on the egyptians. both of us have a vast stake in chaps in egypt. neither of us can dictate it. we have to be sensitive, particularly to the period after a transition takes place to help the new leadership. i think that's a message the israelies have to take into account. >> greta: how bad is the
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economy? i suppose all the embassies clearing out and people fleeing the country, how rough is this economy? >> it is serious, 310 million dollars a day losing that is not small change. they've had a downgrading of their standards to the -- to less than positive and there is considerable expectation that the growth of the country will go down from 5.something to 3.7% over the next year, so yes it is serious. it is not going to help the question that has triggered this, the fact of the joblessness. we all are going to have to pull on the oars to try to restore the economy and provide those jobs that are so important for the future stability of egypt, when the next government takes over.
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>> greta: ambassador, thank you. >> thanks. >> greta: special new show planned monday night. we are in london tonight on our way to speak with important leaders about the crisis in egypt. secretary of state hillary clinton joins us as well as senators mccain, lieberman and graham. we are talking to them at the 47th annual munich security conference. the three-day event brings leaders from around the world to discuss global security. monday night on the record, 10 p.m. eastern. >> next, a journalist terrified can't take out a pen safely. hear from her, from egypt. >> is the white house in hot water over something it did in luxembourg? yes, luxembourg. stay tuned. ready sensei. hey tough guy, that cold needs alka-seltzer plus! it has the cold-fighting power of an effervescent packed in aiquid-gel for all over relief!
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>> reporter: with the super bowl to days away wintry weather seeped determined to turn things into a super mess. injuries are not life-threatening. getting to the game a problem for many with a fresh blast of snow cancelling-s of flights. snow in texas, oklahoma and parts of arkansas. >> lawsuit owners of the new york mets unsealed in a manhattan federal court. suit claiming the owner and
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others used false profits from madoff swindles to run the team. suit which had been seem sealed says owners turned a blind eye to massive fraud by madoff withdrawing more than 94 million dollars in ficticious profits from accounts with madoff. i'm marianne rafferty, now back to on the record. for latest headlines log on to foxnews.com. >> greta: a reporter too scared to take out a pen. journalists across egypt are terrified for good reason. heather murdoch reporter for washington times is within. heather, we hear so much about reporters getting a hard time, beaten, terrible things one died today from a gunshot wound a week ago. what is it like for you? >> reporter: well, things are pretty dicey near alexandria. people are wary of foreigners in general, most specifically
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journalists there is hardly any of us here. although i know i'm not the only one reporting here. this morning the protests -- earlier this afternoon the protests off well peacefully, but i had to lay low. i didn't take out my opinion, recorder or camera. people on the street, shopkeepers, friends told me i shouldn't even be out there. the one time did try to take notes, my egyptian guide was very nervous and told me to put it away immediately. others told him that you should try to get me out of the protests and get rid of me, because i might be causing a problem. >> greta: typically, reporters are well received because it is the only way if get the message out. do you have a sense of why they have turned on the journalists? done they want the journalists to get their message out? >> reporter: you would think.
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last week i was in cairo, people were lining up to talk to me. what happened wednesday was a wave of anti-demonstration, pro-mubarak demonstrators came out and they were very hostile to journalists. they've heard rumors that are there spies in their midst. and all forbesers are considered potential spies. >> greta: if you walk done the street 10:00 in the morning, in a couple of hours in alexandria, what is it like? >> reporter: normal, people are doing some shopping. after the curfew, a lot of regular people are going home. a lot of regular people not just foreigners are scared to be out at night. for myself as a foreigner, i've been told to stay inasmuch as possible. although i haven't noticed any y in my area where i live. >> greta: why do you stay?
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>> reporter: well it is an amazing story. it is potentially, you know history-making story for egypt and definitely changing the region and the world, as we speak. >> greta: a lot of people have evacuated. you are there for the long haul? >> i'm going to stay for a while. i'm not sure how long. at the moment, everything is changing so fast it is hard to get a grasp about where this is going. i'm going to stay until i have an idea what might happen next in order to leave and potentially come back. >> greta: heather, thank you. hope you join us again. >> reporter: thank you. >> greta: former governor sarah palin minutes from a big speech in california at the reagan ranch center in santa barbara. you can catch that speech live right here, a few minutes after the end of on the record. >> sunday would be the 100th
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. >> greta: here the best of the rest. big donor to president obama an pinned as his ambassador to luxembourg is out. she claimed she with it to focus on family and personal business this week before a report was released listing how disastrous she was, the report says staffers were so unhappy they quit or asked for transfers. they said they would be willing to go to iraq or afghanistan. the report claims abusive boss threatened to read staff e-mails, inspector general recommended sending medical personnel to test stress levels. she had no diplomatic experience and was appointed in 2009. >> news out of houston. big sign congresswoman giffords is getting better.
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animal planet. puppies frolic around with each other and lingerie bowl on pay per view. sexy women play football in lingerie. we're thinking what can we do? let's get something going. we combined them okay? who needs a lingerie bowl and a puppy bowl? we can have the lingerie puppy bowl. ♪ [ music ] . >> i never thought i'd say this, but check out the rack on that puppy. >> don't blame
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