tonight on justice, massive resignations, attempted assassinations. egypt is on the brink. is this the end of the line for mubarak? and then,. >> she killed her two teenage kids because they talked about. >> it appears the children never saw it coming. >> what made this mom snap? and a family of four vanishes into thin air. >> we are looking for anything at all that may help us solve this mystery. >> new clues could finally crack the case. and a radical muslim cleric is caught sneak across our border

from mexico. i'll tell you the details coming up tonight on "justice." >> hello and welcome to "justice." we head to cairo for the latest details on the egyptian uprising mike tobin is there. mike, what is the latest? >> there is a shake up brought by the protesters, a shake up at the top levels of egyptian power politics. mubarak accepted six members of the ruling national democratic party. they were the puppet masters, the most powerful and unpopular people in the egyptian political scene. one of the most popular names is the son of mubarak. he was long considered the successor to the presidency. he is now out. the man who has been stitching together the steering committee of the national democratic party is bodrowi.

he has been marginal liesed because he criticized the old guard and their ways. it is not enough to satisfy the demonstrators. they made it clear the only thing that will satisfy them is when he leaves now better and leaves the -- leaves power and leaves the presidential palace. >> that doesn't seem to be the case very soon, does it? >> no -- well, it is hard to say at this stage of the game. he appears to be pinned into the corner. there is a lot of discussions about how you make the transition for him to get out of power without creating a power vacuum. there is discussion of temporarily moving the powers to the new vice president. there is discussion of assembling a presidential panel in which the military shares power. also the potential of using the military as a caretaker government until a new president can be uh pointed. >> thanks so much and you stay safe. >> closer to home, nobody said

raising teenagers was easy, but they seemed like good kids. they were on the honor role, athletes and they were teenagers. for their mother, julie, it was all too much. >> this is a very disturbing, very upsetting scene. it is truly an unthinkable crime that has occurred here today. >> on the morning of january 27th, tampa, florida police found julie in her backyard unconscious and covered in blood. police were acting on a tip from her mom. she received a disturbing message from julie saying she was depressed, having trouble with her wides and, quote, it -- with her kids, and, quote, it will all be over soon. in a stunning admission, julie told police she killed her teenage son and daughter because they, quote, talked back and were mouthy. >> she admitted to our

officers that she planned to kill her children and take her own life. >> julie bought the murder weapon five days before the crime. on january 26th while driving her son, bo, to soccer practice, she took the 38 handgun out of her purse and shot her 13-year-old son at point blank range. then julie drove back to their gated suburban home, parked the suv with her son, bo's body in the passenger seat and went inside to find her daughter. 16-year-old kalix was working at her computer when julie shot her. >> it appears the children never saw it coming. >> their father was serving abroad in qatar at the time. >> it has shaken me to the core. i want to hold on to my kids. >> friends and neighbors are in shock. how can this happen to a seemingly perfect family? there were clues things were unraveling in julie's life.

in november, police were called to investigate child abuse when kalix accused julie of slapping her in the face. julie hit her daughter, she had said, because taking privileges away wasn't working. no charges were filed. >> they seemed like a loving family, just having typical teen issues. >> then julie got into an accident rear ending another car. officers at the scene say her eyes looked glazed and her speech slured. but julie left the hospital before police could do a blood test. her husband did not attend his wife's court hearing, and a police spokesman says it does not appear he will be supporting julie. wednesday the community held a memorial for the children. their father, home from the middle east spoke about his loss. >> the family and i are humbled by your support, grace and overwhelming love for

kalix and bo. >> joining me is laura with the tampa police department. and also a psychiatrist with the harvard medical school. laura, i will start with you. where exactly did she kill her son, her eighth grade son, bo? >> they were driving home from soccer practice, and it was a short distance from their home from soccer practice. it was somewhere in that route that she actually fired the gun. >> in the car itself? >> it was. as they were driving. >> and how many shots? >> she fired one shot through the windshield and the son began to panic. he said, mom, put the gun away. and then she turned the gun on him and fired twice, hitting him twice in the head. >> and then she goes home and where does she shoot her 16-year-old daughter, kalix? >> her daughter was upstairs on a computer and she approached her from behind and

shot her one time in the back of the head and then one time in the front of the head. we ended up finding her body in an upstairs bedroom. so sometime over the night she moved her daughter from that desk to a bed and youered her up with a blanket. >> we understand she left two notes in the house. can you tell us what was in those notes? >> she actually left several ♪ tes. the first one was her plan. she was detailing how she she was planning to carry out the crimes and she was detailing she planned to kill herself. the second note was chilling. it was written after the children were dead. it was very matter of fact, very devoid of emotion. not what you would expect the words of a mother. she is in a very matter of fact way described the way she took the lives of her children. >> so it doesn't appear there was any remorse here, "my kids are dead."

i shot them in this way or that way. she goes on to write another note. assuming she killed bo5:00 or 6:00, the police are called the next day at 5:45 in the morning. were we to assume she spent the whole night in the house with her two dead kids she shot? >> yes, she did spend the night in the home with her two children. >> oh dear. laura, did she try to commit suicide? she threatened it. did she? did she try at least? >> obviously that part of the plan never came to fruition. she never wrote about it, and she certainly had the weapon, but never turned the gun on herself. >> doctor, psychiatrist, she said the kids were mouthing off, so she shoots them? what do you make of that? >> it is hard to wrap our minds around that. any person is repulsed. and you can't make easy sense

of it. i want to quickly say i haven't evaluated her, so anything we speak about is essentially spk -- speculation, it doesn't look like she snapped because they are mouthy. i hadn't even heard that word before this news story. it looked like she had unfolding brain disease, you know, depression with psychosis. she was behaving like somebody out of touch with reality. >> and we can get into that. i want to show one screen here. it appears her eyes are bulging and her body is shaking. do we have that shot? here it is. everything is trebling. what does that tell you? >> it is a disturbing picture. obviously it is not a well woman. she was leaving the hospital i believe at that time. and my hunch was she was medicated probably heavily in the hospital. we know she had an undisclosed medical condition, and we heard a report that her husband and children had attended some kind of an

al-annan meeting. that is somebody who is abusing alcohol or substances. she probably was in some kind of state with withdrawal that lead her to the hospital. and the doctors gave her a major sedative that can cause those side affects. i have seen that many times. >> i want to get your opinion, who shoots their child in the face? she shoots the girl in the back and then turns around and shoots her in the face? what does that tell you, doctor? >> in everyday language, she had to be crazy. >> that's too easy. it is not about the -- you know, what you think is crazy and what i think is crazy is different. criminal insanity is different than craziness. many people suffer from mental disease. they are not all killing people. >> excellent point. if we think maybe she was depressed and she had psychosis, in other words beyond reality. >> but she planned this. she got the gun and waited three days to get it and then killed them both. >> i think she had a crazy logic. >> maybe she was plain evil

and there in lies the difference between law enforcement. >> the question of who kills people? evil people or evil people and crazy people. >> they are telling me i have to go. stay with us. more surprising details on this story. plus, a mom of a missing girl is ordered to pay the legal bills of a child killer. you heard that right. coming up on "prove it." where to go for a quiet get away. [ male announcer ] thanks to therbitz matrix display, you can make more knowledgeable decisions when bookg vacation packages. excuse me... shhh. but... shhhhh. too quiet. [ malennouncer ] ...youmany flight options, hotel options... [ dj ] let's take this up a notch! too loud! did someone say louder? [ male announcer ] ...and what you can expect to save wh you book themogether. everything you ed to know in onclick. perfect. [ male announcer ] when you orbitz, you know.

guests. laura i will go with you in the tampa police department. they walked to the back of the house, and they find her. what happens when they find the mother? well, we knew that the mother -- her mother was concerned that she may have committed suicide. as they came around the back of the house, they saw her lying on the patio. at that point they didn't know if she was deceased.

as soon as they called out to her, she did wake up. they immediately noticed that there was blood on her robe, so they detained her. she became somewhat combative at that point, and then the officers began searching the house. >> and that's when they found the kids. >> right. >> they never expected to find the body. >> they found kalix upstairs and they took a few months before they found bo in the garage. >> all right. and you talked about the fact that in the note after she shot her children, 13 and 16, she showed no remars. when she was in custody, did she show any kind of remorse or sadness and recognition of what she had done? >> well, she was definitely of what she had done. she spoke very matter of factually in the same way she wrote about the killings of her children. it was very eerie and very chilly because it was so devoid of emotion.

she was describing it as if she wasn't the one who committed the crime. and obviously the detectives on the case are fathers. so they obviously found it upsetting afternoon though she didn't. >> and doctor, back to you. devoid of emotion? does that fit into your scenario of her suffering from mental disease or defect and not knowing? >> it does. the thing is we don't really know what's wrong with her brain. she could have a brain disorder like epilepsy or a hormone imbalance. >> wouldn't we have a history of that? won't we know that? it doesn't come on like a light bulb, right? >> no, i agree with you. she could have schizophrenia, but the history would have shown that. there was nothing growing up. the thing that fits it the best is the combination of a mood disorder and maybe substance use and going over the brink. i want to make the point so clear. most people even with depression gary condit go over the brink.

they are not homicidal. it is very layer. they are either sociopath thick or psychotic. >> usually there is an indication. it does not happen overnight. let's talk about premeditation. she bought the gun five days before. she didn't shoot them because she had to wait another few days. how does premeditation work into insanity? >> you know better than i. in terms of the law, it certainly looks like she knew what she was doing and she had a plan and she was proceeding according to the plan. psychologically i bet she had a logic to it. i don't think it was logical in an everyday sense. i think if we talked with her, she could explain to you how this makes sense to her. she had some understanding. it required planning. >> right, right. and she had a post-it note she left that said do not resuscitate. >> she knew a lot about what was happening. >> right.

which submarines the idea of her being legally insane as opposed to mentally insane. let me ask you one final question. as a prosecutor i have tried these cases and tried insanity defense cases and juries don't buy them, number one. but on an emotional side, the father lost two kids, but it was the wife and mother who did it. how does he cope? >> it sounds trite but it takes time to get perspective. he will need to find a belief system. maybe in a higher power or purpose. or maybe it is that things happen for no good reason. maybe it was a medical illness that she was untreated with a medical illness. >> thank you for your input on our report. still to come, a muslim cleric arrested for trying to enter the united states in the trunk of a are ka. find out what was on his agenda, next on "justice."

ll judge: he hello and welcome to justice. jeani he is a muslim cleric who hasclw been kicked out of another couple countries and now he is trying to enter ours? who is he and how did he getas into the united states?yst a we go to las vegas. to >> i'm going to start with you, eric. maybe you can tell us what happened. >> he hooked up with some human traffickers along the mexican border and they transported him over the in border in the trunk of a car. about 50 miles east of sandi a diego authorities caught him. he has been arrested. he tried to enter the u.s.ld t

illegally. he apparently told the guys b who smuggled across the border that he wanted to take him to a safe place in america. apparently, judge, he was a guyh planning on staying here.ran he is a guy kicked out of france. f he was kicked out of canada. itu he called for shariah law tosata be instituted. a member of the mosque was note. enough.was he headed >> where was he headed and howch did we catch him? we >> we don't know where he was headed yet. that is still unclear.arentl all he has apparently said was e he wanted the guys, transporting him to take him, quote, to a safe place in america. the way we caught him is thatgrp a group of firefighters saw him climbing into the trunk of this car, alerted authorities and they came and they arrested him. >> all right, and you say that s ut of abeen thrown o couple of countries? was thrown he was thrown out of france, of he was thrown out of canada as

well?l? >> canada. >> i'm going to glen spencer. you are a border expert. tell me about the area and the border where he was located.ht s >> according to the reports we have seen he was broughtd ss across the border physically. he walked across the bordercog o and put into a vehicle. according to these reports it was near tecate, california,iles about 50 miles east of san diego. this is an unprotected area. tecate, dhs was supposed tot. build a fence there. they left gaps and holes.pour they would be shocked if theynd knew how porous our bordersand are, especially in places like tecate, and this is an example of what can happen. >> what we know is apparently he flew in from some other countries and ended up in mexico and then came across pos this border and then smuggled

in the trunk of a bmw, and where was he taken to?ed >> i understand as wasfire reported earlier, some workersit saw him being put into the back of a bmw and it was aftert he crossed the border.of tt r because of that report by border patrol officers who were assigned to the border patrol. >> let me go to the attorney.rer you represent him, and what are you representing him for? >> i am a canadian attorney.rnee i am representing him in canada. i am representing him to get to him to canada. ot. there is no reason to keep him d out. >> all of the so-called factsctd are not true. he was convicted of a veryan minor offense in france at a time under former minister.ears he lived for many years in

canada and had absolutely noye criminal record. vy he is a very religious islamic man and a cleric, but he had had absolutely no record.could not he had a wife and children. >> he was convicted -- he was convicted for a mild manor. >> whether he did not disclose fully a very minor offense is not a reason for removing -- in do not know of any other man in canada who has a wife and several children whose wife was pregnant at the time whoon h was removed.nothin the reason he wasg removed hase nothing to do with the law canadian law is compassionate.pt >> he was long supported in canada. why did he want to come back the to the united states? >> he wants to come back to. canada or the united states to be close to his children.g

>> if his children are in canada why are they coming and hiding? >> an elementary knowledge of geography tells us it is easier to meet your childrenr if you are in the unitedn states rather than in fewisia. the point is he has had absolutely no criminal activity even if you assume something minor happened ins france 20 years ago.since he has been an honest man and since then. he has a wife and children.op he became unpopular in canada. he expressed disapproval ofrinkn people drinking wine. >> whether he is a uh -- a supporter or not he -- let me finish my question. he is illegally entering the country, and if he is such ane u honorable guy, why does he c have to hide in the trunk and cm use smugglers to come in from

mexico?and how amon't see how you can portray him and his own actions? >> he is a man that should be to allowed back to canada.t i do i don't know american law, but i know canadian law, and i know his inadd miss ability is contestable before the federals court which is what i intend to do.ve a pblem >> you have a problem with the canadian government departing hm him.entey -- deporting him. he was represented by council. my problem is, he is coming to , our countr to the mexican pou border. >> eric, what can you tell us ao about this guy who was driving the bmw. >> we don't know much aboutha's him other than he is involvedde. in trafficking.hing other than that we don't know do anything about him. about we do know about mr. jaw --zazea they pummeled a man very

badly. this was no minor offense. >> one at a time. e >> go ahead, eric. >> keep going.llav >> bottom line, you stillered haven't answered this. try why did he try to sneak across the border in the trunk of a car illegally?eric, wh doe >> eric, what -- i have towrap t wrap it up. what does this tell us aboutbo the big picture about our porous borders and the fears we have always had?ng are they now being realized based on what we are seeing? r >> absolutely. t for years we have been begging the government to secure thecure border, secure the southern a border. this is a magnet for the islamic jihadists. it is too easy to pass up. these bo law operatives have been documented crossing the border into the u.s. l just last week there was ain book found in arizona along the border and -- an iranian book glorifying the suicide bombers. >> i'm so sorry, but this iss fascinating, but we have to close this one down.

thank you all so much for being here. up next, a family of four has everything going for them, and then they vanish into thinfamily air. their family is frantically t t searching for them and theyheir are here to tell us their story next on "justice." ;7

"justice" with judge jeanine. >> judge: it's time to prove it. where we tackle a few compelling cases in the news. joe is a criminal defense attorney and he joins me. joe, our first story is about a ten-year-old boy who ends up taking a gun and shooting and killing his mother. they apparently he didn't want to bring in firewood, so he ends up killing her. now the issue is bigger than this really. we've got so many kids in this country that we hear about taking guns and killing their parents. should these ten, 11, 12-year-olds be treated as adults and prosecuted as adults? >> in no way should they be

treated as adults. they're children. they lack the emotion capacity, the life experiences as adults. you know, they can't be held to the same standard legally and that's why parents are often civilly responsible for the actions of their children. >> judge: forget that. if this kid and what he ended up doing was taking that gun, shooting her in the back of the head, reloading and then going in the bedroom again, there was a second gun on the bed, he points a gun at his sister and she begs him and says, please, don't kill me, why shouldn't we make this kid -- why shouldn't we treat him as an adult? shouldn't the punishment fit the crime? >> it will, but the crime was committed by a ten-year-old boy. i'm not -- >> judge: there are some states, i prosecuted 12-year-olds for murder. i believe they should be treated as adults. >> they absolutely lack the mental capacity to be treated as adults. by the way, assuming we get to the court process, how are they going to be able to make informed decisions about their case? they're not adults, that's why we have a juvenile process. >> judge: that's why we have

attorneys for them. there are states that say you commit this kind of crime, you are treated -- let's assume they're treated as juveniles. they come out at 21. where are they going then? >> hopefully the system works. hopefully in that time, that -- come on, we have to believe in our system. >> judge: you want him at your house. >> of course not and -- >> judge: so then we let them out at 21, that's the problem. >> hopefully in that 11 years, they get the therapy and medication they need and by the way, you know, the system is all about rehabilitation. >> judge: do you think he can be raughted? >> i would hope so. surely he has a screw loose. they don't even understand what that means, spending the rest of their life in jail. >> judge: the next story makes my blood boil. a mother of a 7-year-old girl, missing since 1968, is ordered to pay something like $80,000, legal fees, to a sadistic child

killer because she loses her bid to get information as to where her daughter's body might be. what do you have to say about that? how do you defend a guy like that? by the way, she's 72 and she's going to declare bankruptcy. >> of course, factually, i should leave. but let me say this to you, first of all, this is in australia. the laws are very clear. unless he's compelled by law to give testimony, he doesn't have to. so the party seeking that testimony is responsible for paying the legal bills. >> judge: but the law there is that if he does get that testimony, it cannot be used against him in a prosecution. so what's the law? this poor woman wants to know what happened. >> he's also a psychopath. the only reason -- the law in australia -- unless the deputy coroner has to actually compel the person to give testimony, in this case, he found the

individual, did not have the apparent capacity to give potentially credible testimony. they didn't compel him. >> judge: the mother wanted it. i am law enforcement and who are we protecting? as far as i'm concerned, she's the mother -- it's about the victim. >> i sympathize it. >> judge: we got another disturbing story here. we got to move on. a mother in pittsburgh allows a sex offender to live in her home with her three children. she is now charged with three counts of endangering the welfare of her children. good charges? >> no, not good charges. >> judge: why? >> because she didn't commit any crime. he's not charged with endangering her children. >> judge: he can't be, he's not a parent. >> he's not charged with endangering her children. he's charged with not registering. and all she knew was this man who she became -- >> judge: enamored with.

>> whatever she's allowed to do as an adult, didn't register properly for his prior offense. >> judge: you really think she didn't know he was a sex offender? >> no, no, i know she knew. >> judge: isn't she putting her children in harm's way by allowing this sex predator who doesn't want the police to know where he's living to live with her three children? >> she didn't endanger her children by that. the crime she's charged with is because she knew he was a sex offender, he didn't register. >> judge: but it's child endangerment. she endangers her children by letting him near them. they can't even control their own emotions. >> they are allowed to live and have a second family. >> judge: you wouldn't let him in your house! >> of course not. >> judge: next case. school in pennsylvania is under fire for segregating students to get their scores up. >> you've really given me all these easy sides. i actually listened to this and

am going to believe what i'm going to say. >> judge: i want to hear it. >> in this case, segregation is actually sought by the segregated class. they are the ones seeking relief. the segregated class is seeking relief. not to harm them, or not to highlight the superiority, but to help them. >> judge: how do you help african-american children by segregating them from whites? >> the term segregation, conjure -- >> judge: they're taking african-american kids away from the white kids and everyone else for six minutes a day, twice a week. >> in a program that highlights the mentor. >> judge: this is a haunting of another generation. >> no, it's not. the benefits are statistically, in this instance, these kids who have been put in these programs with these individuals who have been mentors -- >> judge: do better? >> yes. >> judge: i don't believe it. prove it. prove they do better when they're with their own race.

let me read this. you recognize this. segregation of white and colored children in public schools has a detricksal effect upon the colored children. the impact is greater when it's denoting the african-american group. who said that? chief justice warren, brown versus board of education. are we going backwards? how do they justify taking african-american kids, not chinese, not indian americans, not -- just black kids. >> because it's being requested by the black people as a way to help promote the education. >> judge: that's not way. >> it's to promote -- >> judge: you know it's hogwash. next case, iowa law maker lies to prescription marijuana in california. he gets the prescription and now facing impeachment. he's a legislator in iowa. he goes to california and says,

i have hemorrhoids, i need medical marijuana. they find out about it in iowa and they want to impeach him. should they? >> the reason they shouldn't impeach him -- >> judge: what if he committed murder? >> the reason hi they shouldn't is because it's no different than doing an undercover sting. >> judge: without the benefit of law. >> but he's a legislator. >> judge: he did it to prove how easy it was. >> exactly. >> judge: i agree with you. >> it really shouldn't be that easy. >> judge: i agree. >> the person he got it from didn't have a medical license. >> judge: too many people are getting marijuana where they say i have a pain here, there and they're getting it. he was going back to iowa. what you didn't say it, the guy is presumed innocent. why should they impeach him? he hasn't been tried yet. >> the presumption of innocence is alive and well in your courtroom? >> judge: yes. a family vanishes without a

trace. and a desperate search is underway. what's really happened to them? we'll investigate next.

>> judge: welcome back. you don't think it can happen, and an entire family vanishes without a trace. but that's exactly what happened to the mcfaye family. >> we love you and the whole family. we want you back home safely. >> judge: joseph and his wife, summer, seemed to have the perfect life together. happily living in southern california with their two kids, four and three. then on february 4, 2010, the entire family vanished. concerned after days of unanswered calls, mike went by his brother's home. he found the family's beloved dogs unattended in the backyard.

eggs out on the counter, but nobody home. >> it's a kidnap situation. you know about it quickly because the kidnappers demand a ransom. that hasn't happened in this case. >> judge: investigators called to the scene were baffled. there were no signs of a struggle. >> we were looking for banking records, cell phone records, anything at all that might help us to kind of solve this mystery. >> judge: police discovered the couple's 1996 white suv had been abandoned in a san isidro parking lot near the mexican border. and this video surfaced. allegedly showing the family crossing the border into mexico. using confiscated computers from the home, investigators found that two months before they disappeared, someone using summer's account inquired about purchasing spanish language tapes and about a week before

they vanished on january 27, someone did an internet search for passport requirements for adults and children entering mexico. but why would the mcstays unexpectedly leave the country? family members now think the mystery might be solved closer to home. joseph's mother, susan blake, and his brother, michael, join us, along with the investigator in this case, detective troy. now, detective, can you tell us what the latest is in this case? >> i got some credit card receipts from ross department stores in the local area that indicate that somebody used the mcstay credit card at a ross store in vista. >> judge: what was purchased? >> there was two beach bags, four infant sleepers, terry cloth sleepers, and a jacket. inexpensive jacket. >> judge: i'm going to ask, as

we look at this video of what appears to be a family of four crossing the border, i'm going to ask susan blake, do you think that that's your son and his family? >> i never thought that it was my son, joey, by the size of the gentleman walking in the video. i can't see my son's hair, as you see. he has a lot of hair. i did believe it was the two little guys, especially my youngest grandson. by the way he walks. and i wasn't sure on summer, except the clothing looks very familiar. >> judge: all right. michael, he's your brother. do you believe that that is your brother crossing the border on february 8 into mexico? >> i think -- no. i think from what i gather, he looks taller. my brother is about 5' 9. and again, the hair. my brother has -- the do. we call it the do.

>> judge: detective, if what michael and susan are saying and that is that they don't believe that that person is their son and their brother, is it possible that summer crossed the border with the two children without joseph? >> i would say it's possible, but not probable based on the physical evidence beforehand and the physical evidence we've got since then. >> judge: all right. but michael, tell me what you think is going on here. >> i've looked at this so many different times through the last year and i just don't see my brother leaving, not touching the bank accounts, knowing that he has to provide for his family. he has another son from another marriage. i don't see him not taking care of his responsibility, leaving his business. >> judge: he was a successful

businessman. >> he was doing well. he just bought a home in this economy, which is hard to get. so he was doing okay. as i look at -- i keep wanting to look at the video. it's just hard. i wish i could make an i.d. >> judge: susan, michael, detective, stay with us and with when we come back, we'll talk about summer, who is she really and what role does she play in all of this? coming up on "justice."

>> judge: we're back. i'm going to ask susan blake and michael mcstay, where do you think joseph and his family are? i'll start with you, susan. >> i wish i had the answer to that question. i'd give anything to see a picture or know that the entire family is okay.

i feel something very bad has happened and i don't know what, but i know my son would not just poof and we never hear from him again. >> judge: did he have any enemies? did he talk about anything he was afraid of, michael? >> no. if there was ever an issue, we talked twice a week, and he knows i'd come help him out in anything. he's my brother. >> judge: so you had a good relationship with him? >> we had a good relationship. >> judge: mom, i'm going to go back to you. what do you know about summer, your son's wife? >> actually, it's hard to say right now because when this initially happened, i found out a lot of things about her that i didn't know. >> judge: like what? >> like her name was changed several times. i did know her birth date. i had three different birth dates. >> judge: where did she get three different birth dates from? >> doctors, dentists.

>> i was shocked when all this happened and i'm hearing all this for the first time. i don't know who she is. >> judge: all right. so i understand that one of the names that she has, according to the police, is lisa virginia aranda and you knew her as summer martelli. how long was your son married to her? >> they were married november 11, 2007. they were together about six years. i did not find out about her name until i invited her family to my house and they told me it was a made up name. >> judge: who told you it was a made up name? >> after the ordeal. her mother. >> we never even had an opportunity to meet her side of the family. they weren't even at the wedding. >> judge: her family didn't come to her own wedding? >> no. >> judge: and mom, you find out after the fact that her own mother tells you that that's not her real name? what did this woman do before she met your son? do we know? >> i understood she was in real

estate up in big bear. >> judge: all right. let me describe this to you. apparently there are dogs in the backyard. there is eggs left on the counter. and they love these dogs. they had $90,000 in the bank. he was a successful businessman. i mean, this makes no sense. how do people vanish into thin air? is there any reason to believe that they weren't getting along, susan, any problems between them that you know of? >> i feel if there were any problems, my son would come openly and talk to me about it. and he did ask for a counselor to find a good one for the family after christmas, that he needed to get his life a little back together. i thought it was possibly because they moved from the beach inland from surfing and, you know, quite a lot of adjustments there. >> judge: that's an interesting comment, michael, that your mother made, that he wanted the name of some counselor. you spoke to your brother on a

regular basis. did he indicate that there were any problems in the marriage? >> no. >> judge: are you surprised that the woman that he's married to had three different names, three different dates of birth? what do you think about summer right now? >> it's alarming. again, as i look at it, i mean, i'm looking for my family. so i'm looking for all four of them. whatever issues -- >> judge: do you think they're in mexico? >> i don't know. >> judge: you don't know? >> i will follow the detective that everything is pointing that direction, but in the fashion in which they left, that's what's so alarming to me. knowing my brother for my entire life and knowing how responsible he was with money and his business and his livelihood and his home and whatnot, he's not the type of person to up and leave in this fashion. not to contact -- this has been all over the air waves.

twenty-five cents, drop a dime, call me collect, let me know you're okay. >> judge: and he would never just disappear without talking to you or your mom, at least for the holidays, i imagine? >> no. >> judge: i want to thank susan blake and michael mcstay and the detective also. if you have any information in the case of the mcstay family, please contact crimestoppers at 888-580-8477. or you can visit their web site at sdcrimestoppers.com. on a lighter note or should i say a higher note, this week's are you kidding me. stay with us, more "justice" oóúmíooññ@>@íw@zzoór>ó @ñ[y?÷ñúoñwúç÷çty3<

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