when writing to the factor. if you make your high school kids watch is program the scores are going to be through the roof. thanks for watching. i'm bill o'reilly lease remember the spin stops here because we are definitely because we are definitely looking out for you. captioned by closed captioning services, inc. >> sean: we are live on the ground in libya as allied airstrikes target muammar gadhafi's compound. a key member of his inner circle defects. >> congresswoman bachmann breaks down her plans for 2012. reacts to the intensifying budget battle on capitol hill. >> this is real. this is people's lives. >> sean: moments ago ohio governor kasich signed a controversial union bill into law.

tonight he joins me with a message for his critics. >> i don't think, i know we can save this great buckeye state. >> sean: the mainstream media put on notice. media mash with brent bozell back. hannity starts right here, right now. the war in libya rages on tonight. in the wake of two bombshell resignations from the libyan government gadhafi is striking back and claiming their departures on the west. the dictator has call for each leader behind the military strikes against his nation to step down. battles are ongoing in that country tonight. we go to steve harrigan he joins us from tripoli. >> reporter: it has been bad news for the rebels over the last 24 hours. they are moving backwards to the east to benghazi the position they were in before these coalition airstrikes started. those coalition strikes have

degraded. gadhafi's government forces knocking out tanks and armored personnel carriers. it is clear those strikes have not been enough to break knows government forces. government forces still outnumber the rebels in the battlefield by 10-1. the debate now is whether or not to rebels. some countries saying they need shoulder-mounted anti-tank missiles. others saying they can't handle advanced technology what they need is training and leadership. head of nato saying he opposed arming the rebels. turkey's prime minister saying to an the rebels could be to contribute to terrorism. secretary gate said arming the recollections would be another country's job not the u.s.. another country would have to provide the weapons and the trainers for those rebels. gates also talking about a possible longer term solution. saying it is not going to be the rebels who overthrow gadhafi militarily, it is going to be political and economic factors that do bring

him down. one more sign of government forces adapting in combat. they are using guerrilla tactics getting out of tanks and vehicles into civilian cars and pick-up trucks to try and avoid those nato airstrikes. big news on the defection front. moussa koussa is being briefed in london. he was head of foreign intelligence here for 15 years. a second foreign minister defected to egypt. these high level defections are being told a different story. in london they are saying they are signs that the inner circle around gadhafi is beginning to crumble. in tripoli, they are saying moussa koussa was ill, exhausted, high blood pressure, diabetes. they say he needed a rest. that they gave him permission to leave and he will return to tripoli. >> sean: steve harrigan in tripoli. back in the united states during a highly anticipated hearing secretary of defense

gates appeared to directly contradict the president yet again on libya. this is the second time this week that a glaring difference between the two was put on pull -- put on full display. >> the president: i said america's role would be limited. we would not put ground troops into libya. tonight we are fulfilling that pledge. >> i think we have considered the possibility of this being a stalemate and being a drawn out affair. >> sean: that mixed message comes on the heels of this striking contradiction. >> is libya in our vital interest as a country? >> no, i don't think it is vital interest for the united states but we ly have interests there and it is part of the region which is of vital region for the united states. >> the president: when our interests and values are at stake, we have a responsibility to act.

that's what has happened in libya over the course of these last six weeks. >> sean: with his assessment of the administration's handling of america's third war is host of "war stories" lt. colonel oliver north. gadhafi has to go. he's not going to go. it is vital, it is not. boots on the ground, no boots on the ground. we are going to arm them, we are not going to arm them. this is madness! >> it is madness. it is unconscionable that we would have a lack of leadership at a time like this. of course, the deception that is being perpetrated is probably less intentional than the consequence of the ambivalence that has afflicted this administration since this began on the 15th of december in tunisia. they couldn't decide what they wanted to do in tunisia, about egypt with mubarak. and now they can decide what they want to do as a consequence of mu mar

gadhafi's brutal an settle on his own people. -- interesting enough, we talked about leadership and leadership and leadership. in his monday address before the national defense university and his comments that he made to georgetown university earlier this week, in both cases he stressed his role in making these decisions. and then gladly said he passed it off to nato. the consequence has been we'll make news on this they've changed the name of the operation from odyssey dawn to unified protector that is the nato contribution thus far to this war effort. >> sean: unified protector. again, it is not a war it is a kinetic military action. >> kinetic humanitarian operation. >> sean: i stand corrected by colonel north. i'm watching secretary gates. are you seeing what i'm seeing we he says our vital interests

are not at stake when he says we are not going to train them, the u.s. is not going to train them, no boots on the ground. he seems to almost defying his boss. is he taking on obama privately because he disagrees with him? >> i don't think so. i think robert gates is absolutely exhausted. he's been exhausted by the process. basically contradicting him and the advice that he was giving early on. he advised strongly against the no-fly zone talked about how difficult it was going to be to get results. you have an administration who started this war, and it is a war without any clear objective in mine. now we find a finding has been rich you'd -- a presidential finding is required to employ our covert operations activities. he now does not know what they are to do. it is a very difficult situation if you in the --

>> sean: what do you make of this debate ongoing in the white house to arm or not to arm? we heard what the leaders of turkey are saying. if we arm them, we are arming terrorists. our own state department has previously warned that these rebels are connected to al-qaeda what is the truth here? could we be possibly arming al-qaeda? >> we don't know that's one of the big problems. we don't know not only the coalition broadly who is going to stay and who isn't. we don't know the rebels that we are supposedly helping. >> sean: how is that possible? >> it is possible because we have no human intelligence on what is going on in the ground. we have all the technical intelligence in the world. we can intercept anybody passing a tweak on a cell phone. but we can't tell what is going on, on the ground because the human intelligence capability isn't there. that finding ought to be decking those people who are in many cases contractors to find out the best they can,

who are these rebels? -- as mrs. clinton said last week the conference in london, we don't know, we are just getting to know them now. that's not a good sign. >> sean: colonel north. frightening message out of washington. you think they would get their act together before we put men and women in harm's way. >> minnesota congresswoman bachmann opens up about her 2012 a.m. bishes and whether she will throw her hat into the race. >> gop emerges victorious despite massive union protest inside the ohio state capital. we get the full story. moments ago governor kasich signed his bill into law. he gives his first interview, coming up. copd makes it hard to breathe

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>> bill: my next guest hasn't officially thrown her hat in the presidential race yet. with several trips to early primary states she appears to be leaning in that direction. a final decision could be months away. she is staying busy in washington fighting to keep the government from shutting down in eight days. i sat down earlier with minnesota congresswoman bachmann to get her reaction to the countdown to the shutdown plus more on her possible presidential plans. welcome back. >> good to see you, thank you. >> sean: this is getting serious. you're contemplating a run for the presidency. probably had good reaction in iowa. what is the status?

>> we had a great reaction. i met with a lot of people from different walks of life. we said if i make a decision to throw my hat in we'll make it probably early summer in iowa the straw poll is in august. there needs to be lead time to get ready. if i decide to jump in, it will be in early summer. >> sean: what the considerations that are running through your mind? obviously a big decision. are you looking at the other candidates? are there one, two or three people if they get in, maybe you will say okay i'm content that there are good people in the race? >> it really isn't about other people or what their decision will be. i already think there are a lot of great people out there. what i'm looking at is whether or not i think this is the right thing that i need to do with the message i'm bringing forth. and whether the people in iowa and other states see me as someone they want to get behind and support. >> sean: steny hoyer said the odds of a government shutdown

now are increasing. there are articles how democrats are trying to calculate how to best benefit from a shutdown. there was this conference call with senator schumer and he didn't know he was being recorded and listened to. i want to get your reaction. >> the main thrust isvd< basically that we want to negotiate and we want to come up with a compromise.

>> sean: he's strucking his fellow democratic senators you use the word extreme, tie boehner to the tea party. they are not reasonable. they've got to extricate themselves from the tea party movement. i had think this is a strategy we are going to see a lot of. what are your thoughts we you hear that? >> it is clear that chuck schumer and the liberals he's surrounded with are seeing this more as a political move. that's not how we are seeing this the conservatives in congress is real. this is people's lives. if there is anything that i've seen especially in this last week, people feel a sense of urgency. they want the country to work again. it is not working. chuck talking about political advantage for liberals. that is not what conservatives want. we want to cut spending. we also want to defund obama care. we are trying to figure out a

way we can get to yes. trying to work on behalf of the american people and get something done that they want us to do. unfortunately, chuck schumer and the liberals are trying to make political points. >> sean: if anything, it is interesting. it seems the two previous continuing resolutions, and the republicans did extract 10 billion dollars in cuts. you wanted more. you and mike pence are saying we are headed for a showdown we might as well pick this fight now the type of cuts are needed the democrats might agree with 20 billion more. if you have a 3.7 trillion dollar budget, 1. 5 trillion deficit this year, 20 billion is peanuts. if anything, you're trying to get the leadership to be more an guess sieve and fight in battle now. -- more aggressive and fight in battle now. maybe there's resistance? >> we've been working on this store some time, king of iowa,

gomer of texas. it is time for -- -- gohmert in texas. it is time to change the arch of history. the money hidden in the obamacare that no one discussed prior to the vote on the bill. that needs to come back. >> sean: if the republicans want 61 billion democrats only willing to give 20 billion. republicans are promising that their budget is going to deal with entitlements and go back to 2008 spending levels. my question is, is there any movement on this where they say way, we need to take out prefunding of obama care as well as the 61 billion. anyone in the leadership saying that is a good idea? >> that is a discussion going on now. i think it is fruitful. we heard from schumer they aren't planning on negotiating. they want what they want.

they aren't planning on moving off of square one. why should the conservatives constantly be given into the liberals? that happens over and over again. i think that's where a lot of people across the country are saying we sent to you washington, d.c. to fight now is the time to fight. i'm one of those. steve king is one, louie gohmert is one. we have a lot of members now that agree. we intend to tight. >> sean: congresswoman bachmann. we'll be watching your movements. appreciate your time. >> thanks sean. >> sean: pro union protests erupt in ohio in another big budget battle. gop governor john kasich is here. former green jobs adviser van jones, wait until you hear what said one day after 9/11.

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>> sean: the great state of ohio followed in wisconsin's footsteps last night. both houses passed a bill aimed at curbing the state's eight billion dollar budget deficit. they did so amidst major union protests that disrupted proceedings with chanting and yelling. this bill will bring down costs by eliminating public

sector beyonds, collective bargaining rights over health care, sick time and pensions. governor kasich signed that bill into law moments ago. he joins me now. welcome back. good to see you. >> always good to be with you sean. >> sean: eight billion dollars is a lot of money. you stayed true to your word. you didn't back down. you got in thing passed. and you saw a lot of people very unhappy about it. >> well, first of all, in this bill that i've just signed we don't cut anybody's salary. we don't take away their pension. and we don't destroy their health care. what we're saying is government workers ought to be traded -- treated a little bit more like private sector workers. private sector pays 23% of health care costs the average city worker in ohio pays 9%. it is a matter of balancing. we want to give local governments the ability to manage costs.

some of our communities racing towards bankruptcy because they haven't been able to control costs. as we get to a balanced budget and set ohio into a situation where we can have growth. ohio has lost more jobs than every other state in america over the last 10 years, except for california and michigan. we've got to control our costs. reform our programs. make them more efficient and more effective. and create a growth environment so people will create jobs here that will lift everybody. >> sean: let's talk about this. if you look at unions and these democratic groups, they are pouring a fortune into wisconsin to recall the republicans that were being fiscally responsible. in your state of ohio, this bill that you signed into law will not take effect for 90 days. in the interim, as i understand it your 0 -- opponents would neat 231,000 signatures. what are the odds that is going to happen?

>> there's probably going to be a drive to do that. one of the things that we do here we say to government workers we want to pay you on the basis of your performance. the way they pay you at fox or down the street at a restaurant or any kind of store that's what we are trying to do. as voters understand, that we're trying to balance things out and make sure that our cities don't get bankrupted and they don't drive jobs out, i think people feel good. i may have a couple thing that i may want to put on the ballot. >> sean: what would you want on the ballot? >> i don't know yet, we're thinking about. it told the reporters tonight maybe merit pay for reporters on the ballot, we'll see. [ talking over each other ] >> sean: just reporters, not anchors. >> not for anchors, of course not. this is only the first step in

an overall program to eliminate an eight billion dollar structural deficit. i come into office, i have the largest deficit in the history of ohio. with the reform program, medicaid, corrections, if we can give local governments the tools to control their costs we can maintain our tax cut and continue to lower costs in the state so we can have more businesses. sean, kennedy was right, john kennedy was right a rising tide lifts all boats. in a growth economy, families, communities benefit. >> sean: it seems people like yourself and marco rubio and mike pence and michelle bachmann, who was on earlier tonight, and bob mcdonnell and chris christie, all the people that stand firm for fiscal responsibility are being rewarded with a lot of support from constituents. as bad as your eight billion dollar deficit is, we have a federal 14 trillion dollar

deficit in washington today when john boehner said look we only have one half of 1/3 of the government we are going to continue to fight for the largest spending cuts that we can to keep the government open and funded through the balance of the fiscal year. a lot of conservatives got concerned. because they are wondering if republicans might be willing to cave on what is frankly, a fairly miniscule cut of 61 billion. >> sean, i've got enough issues to deal with this this state. what i can tell you is, a couple of things. first, john boehner is a real conservative. john boehner was involved in helping the republicans to get the majority in 1994. that led us to a point where we reformed welfare. i was the chairman of the budget committee. we balanced the budget for the first time since man walked on the moon. cut taxes and we had a great growth economy. so, i know there's always consternation in washington. bottom line is, control the government spending. provide incentives for job

creation. they have to deal with this 14 trillion dollar deficit. >> sean: i talked to paul ryan today, they are looking at six to seven trillion when he announces his budget. i think the american people will be clapping. i also think, even though they are still dealing with tens of billions for this year, i think it is important in principle, would you agree? >> it is. i have to tell you, when we bring about caning, whether in ohio, new jersey, wisconsin or washington -- change is difficult for people. but what we have to do is focus on the larger picture, not play politics. not play politics on the right, not on the left. we gotta keep our shoulder to the wheel. if the republicans are able to get 60 billion dollars worth of spending cuts sean at a time when last year they got $60 worth of spending cuts, boehner is doing the best he can. it is good to have the tea

party pushing him. the bottom line is we gotta control this deficit. entitlements matter. we are taking everything on in ohio because we have to, to save our state. that's the attitude that has to prevail. >> sean: if republicans take on everything in washington i think they will be rewarded not only doing the right thing for the country, but i think politically it will benefit them as well. governor congratulations. >> it is all about our kids. you put the kids first, the families first, that's it. >> sean: appreciate it. coming up our weekly of the obamamania media's left wing bias, we call it media mash coming up and our great american panel, straight ahead. i was driving in northern california. my son was asleep.

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>> sean: welcome to pedia mash. tonight the most outrageous examples about how liberal pain stream media bias is spinning the obama administration's efforts in libya. back with us brent bozell. brother bozell, how are you? >> dr. hannity how are we doing? you're a great american, thank me. that's an inside joke for all the levin fans. i keep talking about suck up to obama. let me give you the latest. diane sawyer rather than confronting obama over his inconsistencies and incoherent policy. no this is what she does. >> what about the famous quote

from another beleaguered president, lincoln. who said he had been driven many times to his knees because his own wisdom and that around him was insufficient for the day. >> i to a lot of praying absolutely every night before i go to the bed. >> a final question. how much do you think kentucky will win by? >> the president: diane, i will make this point. a lot of folks focused on the fact that i filled out my bracket. obviously i hadn't spent that much time studying it since i don't have anybody in the final four. >> i don't suck up to obama. he's not coming on this program, i can believe it! >> why don't they hold his hand while they are doing these comforting -- [ laughing ] >> realize she had not 30 seconds, not 60 seconds, she had 10 minutes with him. and we watched this. there's not one single tough

question. what you've got is controversies swirling all over this administration. not one tough question. the toughest question was who he thought was going to win the final four! >> sean: this takes the cake. congresswoman bachmann, who we just had on, she on with matt lauer. do we have to show compassion to al-qaeda? i can even believe i'm asking this question, roll the tape. >> let me flip that coin on its other side if there are flickers, as you say of al-qaeda among the rebels, would it not be a sign to them or showing them that the united states has compassion and we're willing to use our military might to help all people? >> compassion for al-qaeda? >> no, compassion for civilians in benghazi. >> of course we have compassion for people. >> sean: show al-qaeda -- hello brent? show al-qaeda compassion.

if we just reach out a little further terrorists they may like us. we may have peace in our time. >> sean this is one of the most astonishingly naive questions i've ever heard. if after pearl harbor we had only sent an arms shipment to tokyo we would be okay. he is saying if we arm al-qaeda they will like us better. what is going on at nbc? >> sean: obama has had the toughest presidency not reagan, not bush after 9/11, no obama has had the toughest job since fdr. how do we know? the suck up to obama media tells us. >> you can nick pick what happened in egypt and libya. in -- you can nitpick in what happened in egypt and libya. you said you can't recall a time where a president has faced a confluence of events

like the confluence of events taking place now, explain. >> in my adult lifetime as a reporter, here you have a president who had two wars underway engaged in a third war. here at home, a recession that we cannot completely get out of yet. and political paralysis in washington over the budget. all that is has arrived at the oval office at the same time. >> sean: why don't we have his face on mount rushmore now? >> it is amazing. here's what is going on rush -- sean. they can't blame george bush any more. now they are blaming the world. now we are blaming events. three words, didn't barack obama get us out of iraq? didn't he say it was over? libya, he got us into that war. it is not somebody caused it. why don't they hold him accountable for anything? they are now blaming the world. by the way, i would love to see the reaction on abraham

lincoln's face to know that barack obama had it worse than he did. >> sean: good point. all of his critics inconsistent because the media tells us so. >> what about the republican opposition? is it principled here or is it much more feckless and inconsistent many wanted a no-fly zone too little too late you shouldn't have intervened. they either sound inconsistent or more like president bush who became unpopular within republican circles and the country at large in the war. >> sean: you dare to ask about all the inconsistencies, how dare you. >> does that make the obama administration feckless and inconsistent his secretary of defense said this was a disastrous idea? it makes for honest

disagreement. the republicans can't have honest disagreement without motives brought into question. >> sean: one last clip. the networks ignore hillary's assad is a reformer statement. >> there's a different leader in syria now. many of the members of congress of both parties who have gone to syria in recent months have said they believe he's a reformer. what has been happening there the last few weeks is deeply concerning. but there's a difference between calling out aircraft and indiscriminately strafing and bombing your own cities than police actions which have exceeded the use of force that any of us would want to see. >> sean: syria, state sponsor of terror for how long? >> you know sean, it is amazing. the real story is the emerging raging incompetence of this state department. i was hillary clinton's own state department that just two weeks before that interview put out a report about all the

human right abuses of that country. she is defending them as a reformer that was the story they didn't cover. >> sean: brent bozell, thanks for being with us. no shortage of media bias. time to check in with the one and only -- you are home tonight. greta van susteren. >> greta: i just landed, bear with me. >> sean: nobody wanted a two hour hannity. >> greta: the viewers almost got it and they would have loved it. former president bush and former first lady laura bush go on the record. and the latest in libya. i will be ready at the top of the hour i promise. >> sean: how did you get president bush to talk about libya? >> greta: did i say he was going to talk about libya? i will be ready at 10. >> sean: i have to watch to find out. i will be watching. >> greta: i don't think it is

about libya. i don't. >> sean: our great, great american panel, next. how does ? by constantly re-imagining and reinventing technology, they help people connect in ways never before possible. and by choosing the new york stock exchange to accelerate their business.

>> sean: tonight on our great, great american panel a fellow with project 21, fox news contributor deneen borelli is back.

doug schoen is with us. currently a bureau chief in the kings county district attorney's office homicide division in brooklyn, new york anna sigga nicolazzi, right? >> right. >> sean: good to see you first time, welcome. >> thank you for having me. >> sean: we talked about van jones. we have for tape of van jones literally blaming 9/11 on the government. it is a full screen. words that we found of him. he said, "it is the bombs that the government has been dropping around the world that are now blowing up inside the u.s. borders." my question is, how does somebody that is this outrageous get hired by a president with a high ranking job? how does that happen? >> this guy falls through the cracks all this was known before hand. he advocated on behalf of a cop killer. not only as a homicide

prosecutor does that offend me. >> sean: you lost friends on 9/11 like we all did. >> who didn't. even those who didn't personally, we all lost people because the world at large loss incredible loss. to say this the day after. >> sean: the sunday after. let's put it all together. america's chick concerns came home to roost. >> i'm a mainstream democrat. believe in democratic values this is outrageous, this guy. we are all americans. this guy's values are not what i think are mainstream american values. >> they are totally outrageous. you have to remember that van jones is the leading cheerleader for the green jobs movement. obama wants to bring what is going on in spain over to the u.s. regarding green jobs. we know that is not working this is a radical. we know what east all about. i'm outraged that our tax dollars would pay his salary when he was in the white house that's what is really crazy.

>> sean: louis farrakhan we played the tape the other day he said to obama, who the hell do you think you are? remember farrakhan and wright went to visit gadhafi in 1984. let's roll the latest farrakhan tape. >> i love muammar gadhafi. and i love our president. it grieves me to see my brother president set a policy that would remove this man. not only from power, but from the earth. >> sean: there was an interesting comment by malik shabazz who said you sat at far can's table -- farrakhan's table. do you think living two blocks

apart it is legitimate to say mr. president did you know louis farrakhan? were you friends with louis farrakhan or is that hannity going off on the deep end? >> do i think there's anything between farrakhan and obama? no. >> sean: you don't think they knew each other? >> come on it is farrakhan. >> sean: should we know if they ate dinner considering he's an anti-semite and racist? >> when he is calling mat first jewish president, these are not two that had a history. >> i have a different reaction we i hear louis farrakhan saying he's worried about taking muammar gadhafi from this earth, what do you say to the families who are the victims of pan am 103? what do you say to them? >> sean: is it something that i think a question -- we are going to watch and compare and contrast all the republican candidates. they are going to get in. and the scrutiny is going to

be worse tan colonoscopy. i'm going to be honest. obama has not gotten that scrutiny. is this a legitimate question he should had been asked considering he had radical an e sos in the past? >> more important what is he going to do about the economy. to articulate a poll -- >> sean: is this a fair question? >> it is a fair question but there is no evidence to suggest that the two have links. >> are we gonna know what the truth -- will the truth come out? regarding farrakhan he's a radical he's made awful comments about jewish people. >> sean: would it mean anything if they were friends? if they did eat together, counsel each other? >> it concerning. he's the leader of the free world and hanging out with these radicals. >> sean: even if it was early in his life? >> we could spend the entire segment talking just about the people he associated with. >> sean: we have a lot to get to, including john boehner's

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>> sean: we continue with our great american panel. john boehner, speaker of the house. we have a government shutdown scheduled for a week from tomorrow. here's what he said. >> here's the bottom line. democrats are rooting for a

government shutdown. we are listening to the people who sent us here to cut spending so we can grow our economy. as i said from the beginning our goal is to cut stepping, not shutdown the government. you've heard a lot of talk over the last 24 hours. there's no agreement on numbers. nothing will be agreed to until everything is agreed to. we control one half of 1/3 of the government here. we are going to continue to fight for the largest spending cuts that we can get, keep the government open and fun it through the balance of this fiscal year. >> sean: what scared me and a lot of conservatives, we only control one half of 1/3 of the government we'll continue fight for the largest spending cuts. they promised and made a specific promise, 61 billion dollars that they passed to their credit, it seeps like there's wiggle room. >> of course. >> sean: big cuts are going to come when ryan releases his budget next week.

my fear is, conservatives, if they don't stand firm on this, how are they gonna stand firm on entitlement reform and the seven trillion plus that paul ryan and the republicans want to pass in next year's budget? if they can stand for 61 billion. >> that's the big problem. while important to look at discretionary spending because it gives a view of what government's view is of spending at the time. entitlement is the hard road ahead. >> sean: if the argument is now we can get the 61 billion because we are going to get blamed for the shutdown and we only control one half of 1/3 of the government. when they have the power to stand firm it seeps they may be an fried -- it seems they may be too timid. >> internal republican division shows not discord but the lack of principle allowing obama to mouth homilies and win political support. ultimately, boehner is doing our bidding. >> the house flipped for a

reason. the american people put the conservative politicians in office to rein in government gone while. if they start backing down now -- >> boehner is negotiating behind closed doors. >> sean: they don't have a deal. i say this, and i don't think they understand the mentality that this -- this election was historic for a reason. >> they don't understand the mentality. that's why it plays to the democrats' advantage boehner is miss reading it. >> sean: is he afraid of a shutdown? >> he's afraid of standing up for principle what the american people hence, he is allowing a democrats to come back into a game they lost. >> sean: jindal, mcdonald, kasich, marco rubio in florida, chris christie, they are popular because they are bold and don't back down. >> i'm agreeing with you. that's the mistake republicans are making. >> sean: they are about to make. >> you will see the mistake is

going to get may. >> sean: i don't think they understand what is going to happen. >> you should take them on harder. >> sean: don't do it if you do you are going to be defeated. >> and they are going to do it and they will be defeated. >> we want government reined in because it is out of control with the spending and debt. >> sean: you got the big spenders on the left. [ talking over each other ] >> they are unable to see principle. they have to deal and it will be their undoing. >> sean: if they think they are going to say we'll do it in the next budget, they are making a mistake. the democrats will hold the shutdown over their heads. why not fight over this? >> a lot of these congressional freshmen were elected specifically on this platform, reducing the budget and our deficit. they are going to be out the next time around. >> it miltly it is going to be obama's fault -- ultimately, it is going to be obama's

fault -- >> sean: i disagree. >> obama is the president of the united states. he's been pretty much awol. >> sean: they've got to fight on this 61 billion. they've got to fight for entitlement reform. for a balanced budget amendment. they better understand they will be cheered as heroes that are changing the culture. >> the word i get from the white house is they are doing nothing on entitlements, nothing on the budget. they see the republicans self-destructing -- >> sean: by doing it? >> republicans are self-destructing. >> sean: i talked to paul ryan today. [ talking over each other ] >> sean: he's doing their budget. >> cantor is out there trying to promote a coup against boehner as we speak. there's chaos on the right and the democrats are laughing all the way, literally to the bank. >> sean: had isn't a time for half measures. >> i agree. we gotta do