i'm bill o'reilly. please remember that the spin stops right here because we are definitely loo looking out for. and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon. >> i can report to the american people and to the world. >> we'll smoke him out of his cave. dead or alive, either way. >> and we'll get him eventually. >> the united states has conducted an operation that killed osama bin laden, the leader of al-qaeda. >> usa! usa! >> the terrorist who is responsible for the murder of thousands. >> the man who killed so many innocent people. >> you should not forget that the battle to stop al-qaeda will not end with the death of

bin laden. >> on nights this like this one we can say to those families who have lost loved ones to al-qaeda's terror, justice has been done. >> and america's hunt for osama bin laden which lasted nearly ten years came to an end last night that the compound just 35-miles outside of islamabad pakistan. there the al-qaeda leader and 9/11 mastermind was shot in the head after a team of brave u.s. navy seal raided this compound. earlier today, american military officials aboard the uss vincent buried his body at sea. this was a momentous day for america but no question that this event has special meaning for the families of bin laden's many, many victims from the innocent men and women who perished in the attacks on our embassies in kenya and tanzania to the 17 american servicemen bruteally murdered aboard the

uss kroal t cole to the thousas slaughtered in new york city, washington, d.c. and a field in pennsylvania on september 11th, 2001. joining me now with reaction a rudyr new york city mayor rue giuliani. a great day for america. >> a great day for america and a sense of vippe vindication aa sense of satisfaction that is this s a to describe sean man who real di really deserve. even though it doesn't bring your loved ones back there is a sense of fulfillment that justice has been done. >> one of the greatest things in all this and president bush said this and gro you said thie will find you, we will hunt you down, we will never give up and we will get you eventually. >> i think times when it takes this long you understand it better and it reminds me of

these murderers that sometimes take 20 and 30 years and police officers don't give up or catching the nazi war criminals and bringing them to justice. >> one ofle the things that has come up is the whole issue of intelligence. we debated ren diction and interrogation techniques and there will be more coming out in the days to come. we tonight don don't have the e yet. they were able to track him protegeause he was a proat of ksm and 24e ha they had a ne and he was a courier that bin laden trusted and i wil intelle is what it this. >> that has improved significantly since september 11th. that is the area in which this country is safer because your intelligence tea tech nears ber and you do need the interrogation techniques to get

information out of some of these people and the information isn't all accurate but a lot of it is and we can't give that up. other thing that we can't have happen. i had a mixed feeling about the elation last night, the celebrations in washington and celebrations in new york. i can understand the enotion and i sort of appreciated the fact that people haven't foregotten. yetought this is not the time to celebrate. this is not like winning the second world war. >> i don't know that we will ever get to that point that we have won the war on terror. >> we will defeat ultimately islamist extremist terrorists and this will be one of the milestones on the way to it. we he can't discount what a big symbol a he was. take somebody like that out, this is like taking out a hitler or stalin. >> what is interest about this and i know president bush 43 spent the better part of his presidency looking for him and trying to find him.

if it turns out that in fact it was enhanced interrogation techniques or rendition either in poland or romannia was something that i heard, all right, so if it was interrogation techniques because we always had the means to get bin laden. in other words, if we knew where he was punishment we was. but we needed the in tell to confirm this.e i give problem for criminal thought tafs tbutcy choice noti to drop the 2,000-pound bomb but to send the guys in to confirm it was him. >> when you consider everything that could have gone wrong and how president obama would look if it did, it took a lot of courage to do that and i do admire that. a good day the last two days for president obama and president bush. president bush set in motion all of the things that led to this and then president obama picked up on it and carried it out. i give month a tremendous

amount of credit. >> and this is a good day for this country and we will talk to todd beamer's dad who will be on the program. and general tommy franks is on tonight. as i look at this, would president obama not now realize that without the intelligence he wouldn't have had the ability to make this decision, i would hope that it might change his mind. >> maybe it will. and the reality is he also at that last minute when made the decision had to know that intelligence had to know, 50/50. you never know. they were going in there to get osama bin laden but who knows if it wasn't somebody that just looked like him or was like him. the better your intelligence the more accurate your decision making. the reality is and i was glad to hear the soz, hillary clinton say this. this is not the end, we are in the middle this of and we can't let down our guard. we shouldn't be leaving afghanistan as a result of

this. we shouldn't be leaving iraq, we should remain there to get the ondone. >> this is where i find myself conflicted here because this is almost the opposite of what candidate obama said he would do expwrrks maybe for the first time -- maybe for the first time he has grown in office. >> he did say one thing as a candidate about going to afghanistan and putting emphasis on that. he did carry that out. a lot of the techniques that the bush administration used they are continuing to use. maybe they are not acknowledging t but continuing to use it. >> the whole idea that, you know, it is into the war on terror. you are pointing out something that is very true. this is a war against radical islamists they want to kill us to this day. >> they are at war with us. we have to be at war because they are at war with us. thethey they came here and kild us and they are dpin continuing to do it. there is no question in the short-term it is more

dangerous. we had to catch him an and we e to take this danger but right now, in the short-term it is more dangerous. long term this will make it safer but this is going to excite some of these crazy people and we better be on alert now. now. >> that is what i am going to get to. the white house has to release the pictures. why are they waiting? >> i don't know. sensitivity about there might be reaction in the islamic world. i don't know. release the pictures. otherwise the conspiracy theorists will go off. >> i want to ask you about the pictures when we get back and also the idea that he was given a religion funeral on an aircraft carrier and similarly lindsey graham says this is sensitivity go gone too far. the victims of 9/11 did not have that opportunity and other victims. we will come back more with former new york city mayor rudy

giuliani and general tommy franks joins us with reaction to the death of osama bin laden and some of the families' and some of the families' victims will speak out as well,

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they took care to avoid civilian casualties. after a firefight they killed osama bin laden and took custody of his body. >> and welcome back to this special edition of hannity. we continue with former new york city mayor rudy giuliani. we willle be joined by general tommy franks. and you know todd beamer. let's roll, a real patriot. and the same with the father. lindsey graham is criticizing the only administration decision to bury bin laden at sea in accordance with islamic law within a 12 hour period of time. >> i admire lindsey very much. he is a good friend. i don't agree. i think it was okay. i might not have made that decision but i'm okay with that decision being made. he can have all of the services he wants, he is dwg t is going. i did like the idea with burying him at sea because we don't end up with a memorial for him anywhere.

>> should we have kept his body for the short-term. i agree we don't want to set up an area where people can go and memorialize this luncheo lunat. in the short-term, they are still checking the dna. >> they should put the pictures out, the pictures should be out now so that you take out the element of why aren't they showing the pictures and no matter how jin insensitive they are, people can hand that will. who cares what he looks like. >> i agree with that. i do agree with lindsey graham in this respect. i don't -- the victims of 9/11 and you went to how many of their funerals in the families, they did not have funerals, many of them never even got any of the remains of their loved ones back ever. second baseman' like why does this guy get a funeral? >> it was just a service and they wanted to com comply with islamic law. >> theyd that to clean his body and wrap it in linn linen and n

islamic service and i'm thinking it didn't happen for the familys. >> there is a disproportion to it but ifth is the jaits military it is -- this is the united states military, it is not some terrorist group. and you want to show the way you handle people and getting rid of him quickly really helps. i was worryd that we maybe captured him alive and would have to go through two or three years of trial and what does that mean in terms of retaliation and opportunity for problems and issues. >> is it predicated on a belief, though, that it would buy goodwil in the muslim world. >> i think it is predicated on why give them any more reasons for anger and irritation and things they can organize around. i might not have done it that way but i can see why they made that decision and so much of the other decision-making was, correct. >> i agree with you in that sense.

one of the things that concerns me is some of the world reaction as we look in the arab world and there are people making quotes that don't worry, america, we can still cut your throat, pakistan taliban attacks after bin laden shooting. you have got, you know, hamas condemning the killing of "the holy warrior bin laden" and al-qaeda promising death for bin la laden. there was one report that ksm said there was a nuclear device that would be detonated in europe if this day ever came. >> all that indicates we have to be careful right now. this is a dangerous period of time the next couple of months. might be talking about the next couple of months. because they try the strikes when we are not looking more than when we are looking. and doing this creates danger in the short-term. it was absolutely necessary. long-term this will help us a lot because he was a symbolic

figure unlike any other. this is a guy that had special charismatic power. evil but car charismatic powerd taking him out, this is why you are hearing all of this talk in some of the islamic world because he had a big influence on them. >> there are rumors that one political question if you don't mind, that you are really considering strongly getting into the run for president in the primary. >> not right now. i mean tonight the last couple of days, last thing from my mind is politics. >> let's take you back before this happened. before geraldo announces this last night. >> actually, that is who i saw. >> i was watching geraldo. >> he was so engt excited. >> he got me all worked up. >> he spent a lot of time with these troops. >> i could see. very, very -- >> he loves these guys. but prior to yesterday, ws whee

was your thought process. >> i want to see how the field emerges and is there somebody that could win that has a good chance of winning because that would be my major objective. but tonight nothing i can talk about. tonight is the night to thank god that the president made the right decision and that the people carried it out so perfectly. once the helicopter went down. >> that was scary. >> they were able to carry this out so well. like absorbing some terrible impact in the middle of a sensitive operation but going straight ahead. >> the fact that they were in the situation room and able to watch this as it unfold ld. >> i think there must have been a barbecuing bash lot of people in the white house worried when that happened. i would be. of course, you would be. >> i will say this. we have the greatest military force on the face of the earth. these guys are unbelievable and this was a gutsy raid by very brave men. >> that is something that will mean a lot. carrying this out so professional and well. a frightening thought for the rest of the world that

america's military can do something like this and come away with no casualties and take this guy out in a surgical way. there aren't too many militaries in the world that can carry this kind of thing. reminds me of the raid. >> it does. >> thank you so much. great day for the country. coming up, 9/11 families react to the news of bin laden's death. david beamer the father of united flight 93 hero todd beam letter join us next. he is the guy that said let's roll. it was nearly ten years agoo a bright september day was darkened by the worst attack. the twin towers collapse together ground. nearly 3,000 citizens taken from us. on that day no matter where we came from what god we prayed to, what race or ethnicity we

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>> just moments before hijacked united flight 93 was taken over by courageous passengers and crashed into the ground in

shanksville pennsylvania, todd beamer was overheard saying the fearless words, are you guys ready, let's roll. nearly ten years after that somber september day, osama bin laden is now dead and justice has been delivered. does the latest development provide any closure for the families of those lost on 9/11? ing us is the father of todd beamer. david beamer is back with us. an honor to have you back and talk with you again. i couldn't be happier for the country. you suffered as much as anybody on that day displi appreciate the chance to be with you and your audience tonight. this is a great time for america and when i heard the news that osama bin laden had had been killed by members of our military navy seals i can't tell you -- it was not only a

sense of relief but the immense pride and thankfulness that i have for our military and intelligence forces and special ops, these people are really, really special. what they did was -- well, it was great. they went in, they got him, they killed him and they took him out along with much intelligence documentation. so it is true uly a time to be thankful for -- truly a time to be thankful for what these navy seals did and lass time to remember how many -- also a time to remember how many of our brave military men and women and intelligence people have been working diligently ever since 9/11, now nine and a half years ago, to have another victory. and how many sacrifices have come along the way. >> it was i think this was an extraordinarily courageous

dangerous gutsy move which these guys do every day. they are always putting their lives on the line for us. you know something, we were talking off the air just before you came on here and you said something that i think is rather profound is that this was a victory in this war but so is what your son was involved in as he led the effort let's roll. >> well, the passengers and crew on flight 93, they launched a counter attack. it was a victory. it saved further destruction whether it was the capital building which i believe was the intended target ort white house, either one would have been horribly bad for our country and that counter attack was successful. and he, well, our sonne todd ad 39 other peeples on the plane died in the counter attack. ttattack it is a blessing in this most recent milestone victory in the ongoing war against radical

islamists that not only did the navy seals and the folks do what they did so well, they all made it out alive and for that i'm so thankful. i got to tell you, sean, it was a bit of special irony when i heard that it was 40 navy seals involved in the operation. there were 43 people on flight 93 some nine and a half years ago. it was a great day. >> we first met in jacksonville, florida, in 2004 when prb be prb was o preside e reelection tour. i remember seeing him come out of the room having met with families that had lost loved ones including you having lost your son and i remember him seemingly being very emotional about that. now, the intelligence seems to have provided -- i know we have

always had the means because we had the best military in the world. seems the intelligence. maybe enhanced interrogations, renditions played a role in this. >> i think the ongoing efforts now for many, many years with special ops and, yes, special interrogation methodologies and i never felt sorry for someone that had to "suffer some harsh interrogation" which even our own military is trained or prepared for such tactics should they encounter them. certainly nothing like what ksm and osama bin laden and their fellow enemies have been willing to do t innocent

civilians in our home labland o carry out their war on our way of life. i know that there is -- there is a certain amount of -- it feels like a clamor to claim kred at this time for what has happened -- credit for what has happened and i think especially for right now americans ought to give credit where credit is due and it is due to these courageous people that did the unimaginable to achieve this victor i have. >> would you urge the president to consider the issue of enhanced intertar interrogatio. >> absolutely. just as i encouraged the attorney general to carry on the military tribunals to bring ksm, who i call the chief operating officer of 9/11, to

bring him to justice. it is way, way overdue. sean, i really wish that i could have seen the look on osama bin laden's face when realized uh-oh, either the fay navy seals and they are right here. i don't know what uh-oh translates in his language but that would have been something to see. and so he got american justice delivered by the u.s. navy seals and moments thereafter he received devine justice delivered by god ammighty and we know, i'm a christian and perpetrator of faith as is our family and there is a heaven and there is a hell. and osama bin laden knows all about that now. >> yes, he does. i think i know where your son got his courage from. thank you so much for being

with us. we really appreciate it, david beamer. and you know what, your son is a role model for the ages. thanks for being with us. >> i'm so thankful that the families of most recently the 40 seals cannot only celebrate the victory but know what their loved ones did and the fact that they came out of their alive. that is a great blessing because my heart goes out every time that someone is lost in this war and we must remain vigilant because it is not over. >> that is a good point and a sober reminder. thanks for being with us. >> coming up, former cencomm commander tommy franks is here with reaction to the death of with reaction to the death of osama bin laden and [ male announcer ] it was forged from the fires of imagination. sculpted by an unyieldin passion for design. ♪ and tempered by 125 years of legendary performance.

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there is an old poster out west as i recall that said wanted te dead are oi alive. >> osama bin laden is dead and justice has been done. >> our country has kept its

commitment to see that justice is done. the world is safer and is a better place because of the death of osama bin laden. >> and as the country breathes a collective sigh of relief over the death of osama bin laden we he must not forget that al-qaeda remains very much a threat today and secretary of state hillary clinton emphasized that earlier today. >> because even as we mark this milestone we should not forget that the battle to stop al-qaeda and its syndicate of terror will not end with the death of bin laden. indeed, we must take this opportunity to renew our resolve and redouble our efforts. and joining me with reaction is the man who led the campaign against the taliban in afghanistan after the 9/11 attacks, former cencomm commander are general tommy franks. welcome to the program. thanks for being with us, sir. >> great to be with you. >> another great day. i'm sure this has special

meaning for you in particular. >> i think it has special meaning for all of us. i think what we see going on around the world is not only a celebration it is a recognition of the resolve of a great country and great republic. we live in a great country and what we saw last night is the result of that fact, sean. >> maybe one of the big lessons that the world gets out of this americans you kill howard k. we are going to hunt you down and find you. we don't care if it takes days, weeks, months, years or less than a decade, we will find you and bring you to justice. and that is hopefully a message that is going to be received. >> i think that is a message that is going to be received, sean, the fact of the matter is they call america a superpower for a reason. we saw the result of america's superpower last night. we saw very brave young men working with wonderful intelligence people do what george w. bush said almost ten

years ago was going to be done. however, long it takes, this is no place to run, this is no place to hide. we will get you. and we saw the result of that last night. >> general, as we get the story, we don't have the complete story yet and i'm looking forward to even more of the details as they emerge but this was an extraordinarily gutsy and dangerous mission. from your perspective having been there, what do you think of the way this was planned and put together? how dangerous was this for these guys? >> sean, well, for a fact it was very dangerous and i guess as i thought about, it one of the things that we all -- that we all need to do is give the commander in chief due credit for having taken a really, really tough decision, in the absence of 100% guarantee that that mission was going to succeed. i have high respect for president obama for having done

that. punishment you know he the fact of the matter is it is the guys on the ground. it is the intelligence services in the middle of the night. guys who have to travel a long ways, they have to get the work done in a hurry and they did that and i have great respect for them. i have had great respect for them and i think the world saw their capability last night. >> i think america did see their incredible -- i mean just enkrid ebl story of what they -- incredible story of what they have done, incredible situation. >> in tell fencintelligence. >> s. key. we always had the means to take out osama bin laden. nobody disputes that. we have the greatest military force, as you know, you commanded these great men and women. it was only the intelligence that is key. it seems either re renditino aa

currier and find from an alias and nickname and find the eye den fit i at this time to work through the pieces. toes that mean the country needs to debate again the issue of enhance interrogation and rendition. >> i think america stands against torture but i can tell you it is the duty and the job of the president of the united states to protect our country and protect our citizens and what i would not like to see is i would not like to see executive authority removed from the president. the president has got to make these kinds of decisions and i would like to see him retain that power. >> i do think the gutsiest part of the president's decision and i have not been the biggest fan of him was the fact that he could have dropped a 20,000 2,000-pound bomb on this

thousand but we may never have known that we got osama bin laden. the fact that he sent the troops in and got confirmation was gutsy. enhanced interrogation gave us the intelligence. do we go back and look at that debate. that seems to be very crew that to me.crucial >> i believe as a result of the takedown of bin laden the country will go through that process. as we understand more about khalid shaikh muhammad and the information that led to the takedown actually came from i think we may well find that the nation will once again come to have a debate on this particular subject. and i think that is just fine. >> and you think it is fine. personally you support it, general, if i may ask? >> what i support is that one step at a time, sean. one mission at a time that the commander in chief make the decisions that america holds him responsible to make.

and then those decisions are executed by our great intel people and our great armed forces. >> discussing a little bit earlier tonight the issue senator graham has been some what critical of the sea burial and said it might be sensitivity gone too far. we know that it is a relates to in accordance with islamic law that osama bin laden was dumped in the sea before 24 hours were up. he was cleaned, his body was wrapped in white sheets. do you think we might have been better off saving the body of bin laden and not worry about sensitivity considering he wasn't exactly sensitive to the 3,000 americans killed by 9/11 and other attacks that he took part in? >> sean, my personal view is that we are well served by dumping his body in the sea. i believe that it is going to be very, very difficult for those who would adore him and praise him to gather at his gravesite and that suits me

just fine. >> general tommy franks, great american hero, sir,, and a great day for the united states military yesterday and our navy seals deserve our great respect and appreciation. thank you, sir. >> thanks a lot, sean. >> let not your heart be troubled. a special great american panel is coming up next. family members of 9/11 victims will join us coming up next, straight ahead. [ cricket chirping ] [ cricket chirping ] [ male announcer ] for the outdoorsman who goes to extremes, a truckuilt to do the same. [ cricket chirping ] [ chirping stops ] the new 2011 ram outdoorsman. [ frog croaking ] ram. ♪

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flown into the pentagon on 9/11, our good friend debra burlingame back with us. this for me is a special panel to have you here because you guys, you wake up every morning, loved ones gone, and i just wanted to know how you felt when you heard the news yesterday. >> well, it was emotional to say the least. i felt a great moral victory for this country. immense pride in our troops that pulled this operation off. and then i thought of my brother. because chip was a military guy. he did a lot of dangerous flying off carrier decks. and he would have been very proud. but he would have been so angry at what they did to his passengers and crew and he would have so wanted to be in this fight and so it took me back to that horrible day and it juiced me up frankly because

we are in for a long fight, sean. and this was a good shot in the arm of morale for the american people. >> i agree that it is a boost for our morale and restored some of the luster of this country as a can-do nation. you know, i appreciate the celebration but i have seen around -- that i have seen around the country today. i can't really join because my son is not coming back and but i certainly appreciate the emotions are people out there celebrating and chanting usa. i agree that we are in for a long haul here and i'm certainly pleased that this monster is dead. >> i was stunned at the announcement when i heard it. it is an emotional roler coaster. i have spoke one a lot of the families and first responders today. one minute there is some elation and the next minute you are in tears. but jill reading who lost her dad -- jill regan who lost her dad summed it up best i think when she said mixings,

rollercoaster. >> you brought this poster in with w. you. >> these are the 343 new york city firefighters who were murdered, bruteally murdered in a plot put together by osama bin laden. but jill said that all she really bants is her da wants ik through her tears. >> you lost your son, you lost your brother. i will assume the vast majority of these guys, you know, here these buildings, everyone knows that they may fall down, everyone can see what is happening. they go up when everyone else is racing down. tells you a lot about people and the strength and one fort things that i remember at 9/11, you know, on 9/11 and the days after that is that, you know, stories of heroics including

your brother and your son and todd beamer's son and all these people that laid down their lives and in that sense this miserable evil sonofabitch got what he deserved. >> that memorial is opening this year and there is going to be a museum down there. you can't see it now but it is is going to tell all those stories. i'm thrilld that we are not only going to hear in future generations the story of what happened on 9/11 but the aftermath of who we are as a nation, the triumph of decency over deprivity is going to be told long after we are gone. >> we got to leave but debra we have to learn the lessons of history or else we are doomed to repeat it. >> but we have to know what the history is. >> true, an accurate history. >> right. >> i want to ask you both about the burial at sea. i don't think he deserved it.

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this is america. we rise to the challenge. we persevere and we get the job done. >> one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice. >> and we continue with our great, great american panel. let me ask you about what has since happened. according to islamic law, bin laden's body was taken out, they haven't released the photos yet and was cleaned, wrapped in linen. it was a service on the aircraft carrier and he was dumped in the sea. right decision, wrong decision? >> i don't have a big opinion on that jrgs . i think what is more important is that the navy seals didn't miss. they took care of business and he is tbon. he is in the place where he belongs and, you know, i'm glad there is not going be a

memorial to him. >> i agree with that. i'm not sure if the the timing was right. and what lindsey graham said, sensitivity taken too far. >> i agree with that. this is political correctness gone wild. i mean the man deserved nothing than being tossed into the sea. >> would it be better to show his body to the world tortion every two bit low life terrorist that this is your future we will hunt you down and if it takes a decade we will get you and kill you and you will get a bullet in our head? >> do you know how valuable it would be to show a picture of a dead osama bin laden with the look of absolutely terror on his face. talk about how this was a morale boost for our country. how demoralizing that would be to the would be shahids that wanted to die. he hid behind his wife in the last moments of his life. he sends children out to detonate suicide bombs.

everybody else to do his dirty work and his dirty bloodwork. and there is a precedent for it. when disar kauai wa zarkawhi wn iraq, they showed his body. >> people would aplawd it. the more freu gre gruesome the. >> these people come from a world where beheadings are done. >> i think the political correctness side of this is that this may anger the people that hit our guts hr. i don't see how we can make them any more angry because they are fan atticcal already. >> let's make them get into our heads now and go on offensive. i want to say to president obama do you see how successful this is when you get up and move forward and get aggressive. i mean what are you prepared to do, man.

let's go back to interrogating. let's press these people. >> is that what you want to tell president obama and i will ask the others the same question. we are running out of time. is that what you want to tell him. >> yes. >> especially if this led to the courier that was sur surrounding, we didn't find this guy until 2007. then they found the real eye den fit anidentity and found ty which led to this. without strong interrogations we wouldn't be here. >> lucky for you, sir,, that they didn't get gitmo closed. >> i think his efforts to close gitmo show his true political colors. >> and enhanced interrogation. >> he is running for reelection now so i'm not sure you going to get him to move on that. it is vitally important that we have an appropriate interrogation technique to keep gleaning this information and a perfect example just occurred yesterday. >> well, i know this can't bring back your loved ones. 93