he was going to drop out of a helicopter about a mile and a half up, then ignite the jetpack and the homemade rocket, folks, then we got this news about ten minutes ago, that the flight may have been canceled by the faa. not entirely clear now, though. we're waiting to hear exactly what's going to happen. we're hope to go learn more and maybe we'll get a chance for history to be made here over the next couple of hours. stay tuned for that, we'll keep you posted. let's go back to this out of washington now, the department of defense sud beenly cancels a high level intel briefing. we got word that officials may have revealed new information on those hard drives that were found at bin laden's compound. no word yet on why that briefing was canceled, all of this comes as we learn of a new al-qaeda plot, targeting the u.s. railways. welcome to "america live" everybody, good afternoon, i'm martha maccallum in for megyn kelly, lots going on in the nation's capitol today, first, administration officials are slowly

releasing information on the raid in abbottabad, we were supposed to get new details this hour. as we await that briefing from the defense department, let's go to catherine herridge, live from washington, she has been doing digging on her own and has new information. >> i combined a department and cia briefing and we're told we can anticipate a background briefing, a briefing not on the record or on the camera sometime in the next few days,. understand you've got an amount of information and a loss of it has to be declassified before it's released to reporters based on background. based on what i know the cia has been going through material and looking for three major areas: first, what's called actional intelligence, this is information that you can do something with, the second is leads on al-qaeda operatives, the third is leads on bin laden's support network within pakistan. what we've seen within the last 24 hours is that there has been actional intelligence and it's been shared within the intelligence community and that led to the bulletin

from homeland security warning about potential threats to the rail system. that's because in the documents, what was found were some letters from bin laden indicating in february of 2010, they were looking ahead to the tenth anniversary of 9/11, with sort of an aspirational plot at this point, that means he was thinking about it or contemplating it, it was not a concrete plot specific in detail, but they would somehow try and hit the rail system. that's important because it shows even ten years after 9/11, osama bin laden had more direct operational role in the network, even though he was in hiding and number two, that he remained asfixate dollars or obsessed if you will on mass transit and what we've seen in washington, there have been efforts to ramp up security on the rail system. here's the d.c. chief from earlier today: >> i think we ramped up security around transit nationwide and have had it ramped up for many, many years. i think we're well prepared to deal with whatever threat

streams that have come out of there so far, but we are working with the rail system, both local, commuter type rail and nationwide rail. >> reporter: what we know about the intelligence from inside the compound so far is it has led to actional information, but a u.s. official says this morning they're hoping it's going to have direct links between osama bin laden and the operational players within the network and the two people that immediately jump to mind when you talk to u.s. officials, won is adnad sukujuma, born overseas but grew up in the ups, an lpr, legal permanent resident in the united states and the other, iliaf kashmri. , not a household name but tied to the attacks in mumbai and also tied to the heightened threat level in europe last year, so there's hope this can help track down the location of those operational commanders. final point on this

confirmation from al-qaeda in the statement on the web, that bin laden is dead, i spoke to a u.s. official earlier today and they said to me that that statement had their attention for a couple of reasons: one is that it was from the general leadership within al-qaeda, and that's a little unusual. typically when we see these statements on the web it's identified to a senior member, whether it's bin laden, his number two, ann wa al -- ayman al-zawahiri but this is not the case and it's been being seen that there's somewhat of a struggle within the network and there may not have been sort of a succession plan in order and that's important because when i interviewed the former cia director michael hayden he said to me they always felt that it would be to the benefit of the united states from a national security perspective to have a struggle within the organization for leadership if bin laden was gone. martha. martha: catherine, thank you very much. catherine herridge. all right. we are also getting new video that's coming out into

the newsroom moments ago and it shows the tail of that black hawk helicopter that crashed at bin laden's compound in abbottabad, pakistan. it is being loaded in the back of a truck and there has been great concern this helicopter that was built with stealth technology that might have allowed it to get in there so beautifully, and that that might hold of our military secrets we wouldn't necessarily want other people to share. the pakistani military picked up the wreckage. no word yet on what happens from there. in the meantime, we're also hearing new complaints from some quarters today that the navy seals who stormed bin laden's home should have kept him alive. many say that bin laden should have been tried for his acts. retired u.s. army major james marks and former intelligence officer, spider, welcome, good to have you here today. >> good morning. martha: with every new details, first we heard he was armed, then he wasn't

armed, then one person along the way was armed. i'm curious what you make of the back and forth on this, especially done by the most part civilians who have never experienced the kind of situations you have. so tell us what you think. >> totally irrelevant. there's absolutely no reason why we should be discussing that, unless there was some concern that something inappropriate took place in that compound and we have no reason to believe that at all. just take what we know about our special ops, how they're trained, their foundation of skills, their ethos, et cetera, we should all be doing cheetah flips and call this is over with ubl and on to the next move. these are academic discussions and many folks will attempt to get air time to talk about it, martha, but i think it's totally irrelevant. martha: to me, one of the greatest evidences of that is that all our guys got out safely so obviously, they were doing something. >> absolutely. phenomenally right. now, the concern about the

stealth technology and some reverse engineering and some secrets that might be -- might be revealed, my view of this is we, the united states, certainly don't have an edge in terms of all of our science and technology developments. we have some incredible capability. but around the world, there are similar capabilities. the real thing in my mind is there is a race to get those technologies and those enhancements fielded and into use. i think that's really where the competition is. not on the specific piece of technology. so what i'm suggesting to you that we're using something that somebody else has is probably already developing. martha: interesting. i want to go back to the picture that has gotten so much attention, which is that situation room photo of all of them watching this play out and what they were able to follow and what they weren't able to follow. there's also word there was about a 25-minute blackout period during which they didn't know what was going on. lots of conspiracy theories

abound with all of this. is that lodgal to you, that that could have happened and did happen? >> oh, absolutely. and in fact, having been involved in operations like this from the planning side and from the -- what i would call over the shoulder observation side, both in the bal kins and in iraq, i can tell you that those kinds of blackouts happen not as a matter of routine but they occur and they are monitored by a series of code words. so what you really hear is just a code word that means you're now at step four, then a code word that means you're at step five. that really is probably the significance. but with enhanced bandwidth. compression of video, the ability to see what's going on, we have these kinds of images where the commander in chief, the president of the united states, literally is present in the room as these activities go down. martha: fascinating. spider marks, as always, great to get your insight, thank you very much, sir. >> thanks martha. martha: we've got new details today on one of the

more fascinating parts of this bin laden raid. everybody is just hanging on the details of this as it comes out. and after ewe learned where the terror leader was hiding it turned out some researchers at ucla predicted that he was right around that area, just a couple of years ago. this is fascinating to me. trace gallagher has been looking into all of this with the story. how did they do that, trace? >> reporter: and it's fascinate thank two years ago, we were all looking in caves for bin laden, right, and this group at ucla said no-no, he's in a compound in a major city in pakistan. so we're talking about tom gillespie, a geography professor at ucla, his research partner, john agnew and five undergraduates -- undergrads, they used a scientific theory, distance decay, used to locate endangered species, it basically says that creatures stick to what they know, they figured the further bin laden moved away from tora bora the more

likely we'd find himself in an area of different religion, different politics, he's more likely to stand out and be discovered, then they studied his life characteristics and came up with a list of requirements, he's 6-foot, four, he needs a tall building, he would need electricity to run a dialysis machine for his reported kidney disease, even though they never found a dialysis machine inside that compound. he'd need small rooms for his bodyguards and big walls for privacy. then they used satellite images like google earth and came up with several buildings that kind of matched those requirements. and they came up with this city, parach -- parachinar, pakistan, 130 miles from where bin laden actually was in abbottabad. the mother of one of the students was so convinced by this paper that she actually hand-delivered a copy to leanne pan -- leon panetta's wife. the teacher, gillespie, also gave a copy to the fbi in

los angeles. it is unclear whether either one of those agencies actually followed up on this paper but if you read through this thing it really is fascinating on the detail they came up with. >> martha: it's an incredible story, trace. i wonder, you know, a, if they ever looked at that research, and b, if their own, you know, research and their own intelligence on this led them to kind of do the same kind of mapping and figuring in terms of the kinds of places that he might be, you know, who knows if we'll ever know the answer to that but it is fascinating. >> reporter: just to know the fbi locally says they won't confirm nor deny whether they ever took that paper into account but all of this information these students used and the teachers was public information. they put it in, figured it out and that's what they came up with. it's a pretty cool guess. martha: it's encouraging. there's so much talk about our students falling -- falling behind but they seemed to be doing some interesting work on that front. trace, thank you for bringing us that. that's a great story. there's a number just out that shows a new blow to

the housing market. prices dropped sharply again, folks, last quarter. three minutes from now, see what this means, really, for our economy and for anybody out there who's in the good position of looking to buy. an arizona cop appears to body-check a teenager. this officer, look at this situation, this whole thing is under investigation right now. did he use excessive force? what else happened before this happened? we're going to show you. you can decide. plus fox news is holding the first -- or held the first gop debate in the election season in south carolina. notably absent, the donald. but what voters think about his possible white house run is now being revealed. we'll show you, coming up. >> what do south carolina republicans think of donald trump? >> self promotional. >> pompous lawyer. >> confident. >> shameless self promoter. >> effective but abrasive.

martha: fox news weather alert. police in memphis are urging people to get out of their homes right now. officers are going door to doorks trying to get people to evacuate their homes before they become victims of record breaking floods. this is a huge story, and it's going to get more and more attention. the mississippi river is forecast to crest next week, already the flood waters are inundating some neighborhoods. we're going to go live to the weather center shortly, we'll get you an update on that huge story today. in the meantime, some grim housing numbers out today. real estate police officer clear capital saying that home prices are almost 5 percent from the previous post-crash low in march of '09. confirms that there is a double-dip in housing prices fox business news' eric bolling is join me, head of fbn's follow the money". it's our biggest investment and this is bad news. >> the good news, the

unemployment number coming out today, 244,000 jobs created, things started to look up, then this, the research firm clear capital says it's actually dipped below the 2009 low, which was on the heels of the big financial meltdown we saw in 2008, prices slid, they hit a low and started to work their way back. guess what happened? they turned back south. martha: why? >> the bottom line is we've been watching this, kept our eye on foreclosures for months, first quarter and second quarter of '11, going to hit the peak of foreclosures. in fact, more than one of every three homes sold now are bank sales. martha: say that again. that's incredible. >> three 4 1/2% of all sales going on right now are bank-owned homes, which means they take -- >> martha: roughly one third of americans have lost their homes to foreclosure. >> banks want it off the books, they're not worried about a profit, saying get it off the books, clean up the balance sheets, so they sell them cheap. once this inventory works

its way through -- >> martha: what does that happen? >> third or fourth quarter of '11. people in the market, they've held off for years because they thought the market was soft, you've been renting a long time, want to step up to a home, it wouldn't be a bad time right now to start the job hunt and be very aggressive. ron: ron: help us out, folks, get that housing market back in gear! >> one of three homes is bank-held. that puts more pressure on t it does feel like it's going to turn around after the second quarter of this year. martha: there's one light at the end of the tunnel. thank you, eric bolling, "follow the money" folks, watch that tonight. meantime, back to this story for a moment, children, evacuated and the fbi on high alert because someone is mailing letters that contain a misee -- mysterious, powdery substance and it's going to schools in various parts of the nation. the latest on that investigation. also, al-qaeda's number one is dead. it is the story of the week, of the month, of the year. is this a critical game

changer in washington? we're going to talk to allan coomes about what to expect from the obama presidency going forward. big question right now. and a man with a jetpack is standing on the edge of the grand canyon this hour, saying that the faa has just canceled his flight. the faa says he can take off any time he wants. breaking news from the brink of a stunt like no other. does that make you dizzy? oh my!

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start us off here, the fbi investigates suspicious packages sent to six more schools, this is incredible, in washington, d.c. that brings the two-day total of these packages to 39 of these envelopes that are floating around out there in the d.c. area. many of them have been sent from dallas, and they contain white powder and an ominous message that refers to al-qaeda and the fbi and given these recent events nobody is taking chances on this. the powder has been analyzed and it is not considered dangerous and there are no reports of illness or injuries related to it, but the fbi says they are investigating similar mailings to schools elsewhere in the country. they're not saying where, though, yet, but everybody is, of course, you know, on pins and needles with that situation. but it looks to be nothing so far. we'll keep you posted. so president obama, just about an hour from now, will have a private meeting with the troops who pulled off the amazing raid that killed usama bin laden. now, after that, he will give a public speech to a

base that will be full of happy and cheering troops, very proud troops, no doubt, in kentucky. so did the killing of one of the world's most dangerous terrorists, if not the world's most dangerous terrorist, has this whole event, what's the impact of it, longer term, on the obama presidency? that's one of the big questions that we look at as we study this whole situation. alan coomes joins me, host of the alan coomes radio show. obviously this is a tremendous achievement for the obama administration and one that will be sort of a fallback point for so many questions that he will be asked along the way to 201 a and -- 2012 and his answer is going to be a blockbuster, we killed osama bin laden under my watch. that's huge. how does it transform his presidency? >> it doesn't automatically mean reelection. a lot can happen, george h. w. bush, a 92 percent approval rating with the gulf war, and then he wasn't reelected.

clearly he can't be complacent but those who say he's weak on terror, even last night in the republican debate you had candidates saying these things, this is like kn -- gnats nipping at the heels of an elephant, maybe i should say donkey. it doesn't use sense to use that narrative to go after president obama. they are going to have to find something else if they want to try to have a real debate with him. martha: i've always thought when you look across scopes of presidencies, there are highs and lows are every person's presidencies but it's how they use the highs to leverage their power and as you point out, george h. w. bush, he squandered the good will he had. >> he said no new taxes. and that was the economy. >> martha: exactly. so my question for president obama is this: how does he leverage that leadership in that's the task before him, and do very bold things as he did here with the economy that end up making a difference and working for him? >> i think one of the things he can do is to work with the republicans and find --

at least he's got to be seen as somebody that can work with the other side much like clinton did and he certainly made efforts in that direction. he did it at the end of last year that enabled the bush tax cuts to stand, but he said not on my watch will they continue. he's able to work with the other party, but he has to -- he's prove his metal, i wo say, but he has to -- it's really about the economy and the news cycle happens in more rapid form as we go forward, so it all depends upon what happens with the economy heading into 2012. martha: one thing i'm curious about, he's had sort of a mixed relationship with the military on a lot of accounts. this gives him perhaps a new chance to have a bond with him that -- with them this he may not have had. this event we're good to see -- we're about to see unfold was a bush classic moment. he always enjoyed going to these events because it was a mutual -- they were feeding on each other and the energy in the room. >> i'm not sure what's meant

by mixed relationship with the military because he's perceived as a liberal democrat or because he is not someone who is known as a military guy like john mccain. martha: well, it's a presidency that -- it's a presidency that has challenged the military in a number of ways, when you look into the investigations of the cia officials, the war on terror, not wanting to use the language of the war on terror, talked about pulling troops out of afghanistan. >> actually, we added troops to afghanistan, added 30,000 troops. martha: they're scheduled to come out, which we'll talk about in a segment coming up >> the someone on my side, who thought we were voting for an antiwar afghanistan, he goes to afghanistan, he says we're going to get out in july, he goes and does this aof usama bin laden which gives him credit, you would think the right would be embracing him and they're nipping at his heels, and now they're saying he didn't give the order, it was the cia, nothing he can do is

going to make the detractors happy but the birthers have gone away, now we have the deathers. the birthers have been cut in half because of the polls, right? >> martha: what i want from you is what you think is going to happen in that room and i wonder if the president has a new respect for the military. i'm noting -- >> i don't think if there will be new respect. >> -- when say new respect and mixed relationship in the past year suggesting he didn't have a good relationship or didn't have enough respect. >> would you say his military to the military is similar to the one president bush has? >> george w. bush was abused of not taking his physical, not getting his medical exam, leaving before his piloting was done. martha: i'm not talking 30 years ago, i'm talking about as president. >> i don't know why he's perceived as having a better relationship with the military than barack obama. doesn't make sense to me. martha: may not make sense to you. i think it resonates to a lot of people and that's the reality. >> not to me. that's your opinion. martha: if this event has

changed how he perceives our military. >> what makes you think he didn't perceive them in a proper way? >> martha: we'll see. we'll see. alan, thank you. we'll talk about this more. alan coom. es, thank you. we're talking about the president may soon order something else, on a completely different note, it has to do with his relationship with corporate america and he would order businesses to disclose their political contributions if they are going to do any business with the u.s. friend. will gop-friendly businesses get cut out of the business done with the government? that is a big question and we're going to have a fair and balanced debate. we'll take that on in a moment. republicans last night held the first debate of 2012 without the most talked about candidate so far. so how do voters in the first prison primary compare donald with the rest of the folks that we saw up there last night? some answers that may help decide the gop nomination. that is coming up next.

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they did this not far from the compounds. gregg, what can you tell us about this bust? >> reporter: a lot of different developments across the board in pakistan. let me get to first some other developments dealing with the life and times of usama bin laden. we heard from the pakistan government information coming from a wife of usama bin laden, now in custody, she was injured in that raid on the abbottabad compounds. she confirms what the government has been saying that usama bin laden was there for six years. she says that he wasn't out of that house for that entire time. and also says that he received advice towards. but claiming that the al qaeda connections just were not there. there was not involvement in the

daily business affairs of the terror operation. 40 arrested in that abbottabad area. according to government officials these individuals had suspected ties with usama bin laden. they are trial to put the pieces of the puzzle together. they claim this is a second phase of the operation to capture and kill bin laden. but we haven't gotten too much of a comment from the united states. protested across pakistan, using the opportunities after friday prayers and marches after that. the pakistanis expressing their displeasure for the killing of bin laden. small, not much violence, but a advisable display of sentiment. i must add some of the anti-american sentiment we have been seeing and hearing and feeling from the people during our stay here in pakistan. we are back to you. martha: great reporting from

islamabad, pakistan today. let's come back here at home for a moment. some critics of the obama administration are accusing the white house of gangster politics. the charge is that companies that do work for the government but give money to republicans could get shut out of those contracts in the future. so is this really happening? a fair and balanced debate. democratic strategist bernard whitman and a former pollster for president clinton and former republican congressman of iowa. fred grandy. good to have i both here. let's lay this out first. this is an executive order which would force all companies to disclose any donations that they might make to political parties, in particular to third party political parties, we all know that what means in this day and age. that points to the tea party.

it would force them to disclose any moneyer in giving to these groups in conjunction with bids for government contracts. that's raising a lot of eyebrows. what's your take on this? >> i find it interesting alan colmes was talking about how the republicans and the president were going to work together on budget issues. this is an odd way to do it. what he's telling republican businesses, you are either with us or against us. if you are against us you are not going to get contracts. this doesn't just apply to political candidates. it applies as you pointed out to third party groups. let's take another anti-business move, the national labor relations board decision to deny boeing's attempt to move facilities to south carolina. a right to work state. if boeing were trying to appeal to right to work groups or third party groups, they could conceivably lose contracts under this because of the an attempt

to try and enact an issue that was in their best interest. this has nothing to do with preenterprise. and in my view, it's crony capitalism. martha: susan collins who is a moderate member of the gop and has voted on the otherside of the aisle. she is upset about this. she says this is the equivalents of repealing the hatch act, the 1939 law that was designed to weed out federal pay to play. this is getting a lot of backlash from folks. >> let's get the facts straight. government contractors are already required to disclose contributions they make to pacs. this has been the case for many years. all this does is extend the disclosure requirements to insure anyone contributing to a third party also gets disclosed.

it's the obvious necessary action we are have to take. and it's absolutely in keeping with all the federal disclose our laws that have been on the books for years. to suggest this is a major attack on republicans is absolutely ludicrous. and the supreme court has 30 years on record of saying that disclosure did not inhibit free speech and the justice no less conservative than scalia saying standing up to disclose activities helps foster democracy. martha: an editorial in the "wall street journal" says the white house is spinning this as reform, claiming taxpayers deserves know how federal dollars are spent. she says if this required liberal entities to get grants,

environmental groups, planned parenthood to disclose also. but it does not. >> if i could, if this is such a great idea, then why didn't the disclose act pass in a democratic senate in the last session? that was an attempt to move legislation that would up end the citizen's united decision. that failed. a majority of democrats. the president don't have a legislative initiative and he's trueing to do with sitting what he couldn't get through the senate. put it in legislative form. send it to the house and see if it becomes law. he knows that won't happen so he's trying to do this. >> it failed by one vote in the senate because of ridiculous laws and senate procedure regarding filibuster. 59 votes. it fell one vote short. the senate rules are absurd. 92% of the american people want

disclosure. 92%. we can't get 92% of americans to agree on anything -- martha: you know ohio valley that works with polls. their understanding of disclosure may vary in terms of hoist applies to this law. we did the story here on "america live" will the pharmaceutical executive, there is an effort to push him out of his job. there is also the effort you cited about the nlrb and boeing. you put it all together it makes the administration look very anti-corporate. we'll see how this plays out and the whole jobs picture looms large over all of this in terms creating jobs in america. >> i don't know how anti-business this president can be. we just aided the most jobs in five years. >> it probably has to do with extending the bush tax cuts. martha: a big issue, we'll talk more about it. we appreciate you being here

today. there is new details coming in from the edge of the grand canyon where a would-be stunt man gathered the media from three states to watch him try and jump the canyon in a homemade jet pack. trace i moments away with the latest on the jet man when we come back. @=h

martha: you know what that means, we are kicking off the 2012 election with the first debate of the primaries. a strong field of candidas in south carolina, but notably absent, one potential white house hopeful. pollster fringe luntz asked a group of south carolina republicans how they feel about the man known as the donald.

>> a few weeks ago nobody would have thought of this individual as a candidate for president. now everyone is talking about him, donald truck. now the question is what do south carolina republicans think of donald trump. >> self-promotional. >> come by tent. >> shameless promoter. >> effective but abrasive. >> dictatorial. outerly ignorant of history. >> how many of you feel positive towards trump. how many feel negative. why positive. >> i think he's willing to say what he thinks and take on washington. i think he's smart, i think he's good for the country in that he brings up new ideas. >> that's what we need, we need a firey leader. >> donald trump is writing checks that america can cash. he's standing up for americans.

he's going to wean us off of other countries. >> i think he's impressive but i don't think he's presidential. because he lives in a business world which we would like to think the government i a business, but you have many other things you have to be considering as a presidential person other than what he has to do with business and make money and all that. i think he's just giving publicity stunts for his own even grab dicement. >> we took a look at what donald trump had to say and how he said it. watch the reaction when he uses language that probably didn't sit too well with our south carolina voters. >> and they want to know in and raise the price of oil because we have nobody in washington

that sits back and said you are not going to raise that [bleep] price. >> i don't nova presidential candidate that ever used that kind of language. >> joe biden. >> it's inappropriate for a president to speak like that. period. >> it won't earn him any respect. >> he's a new york and it doesn't bother him. >> if he thinks that works in negotiations it doesn't. >> he's real. his self-pride will kill him but he's real. >> using the "f" word is acceptable to you? >> no. >> does that disqualify him from being a presidential candidate? >> it does not help. >> it's not very presidential. >> he used it, then he says --

i'll use it for that group of people. are you going to trust him, when? will he use the word or doesn't. >> i like what he says but he's too much of a showman to get elected. >> he's rough around the edged. he says what we want but he needs a lot of advisors around him. >> obama has been anded because of his lack of decorum on certain occasions. there is a rightful expectation that there should be some aspect -- some element of decorum in a president. >> i don't want a president when he's on tv i'm scared if my kid are watching. >> are you scared when he speaks in. >> yes, but i do like that he's saying what's on people's minds and he's not scared to say. i think republicans are scared to speak up. >> hold on.

martha: that's great, get the kid out of the room when the president is speaking. those are fascinating from frank luntz. it's such a great cross-section of what people are talking about with regard to donald trump. if you missed last night's gop debate you can go to foxnews.com for video highlights. it was quite interesting. you should check that out. we also have some breaking news from the coast guard concerning flooding all along the mississippi. three minute from now we'll take you to that. >> we haven't had nothing like this for some years. it's been i know about 30 years since we have had this kind of water. but i'm not going any place. we have just been here. t delicig that's ever happened to cinnamon. introducing cinnamon burst cheerios. 20% daily value of fiber bursting with the delicious taste of cinnamon. new cinnamon burst cheerios.

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martha: an hour ago the coast guard shut parts of the mississippi river down where it's threatening to flood. they went door to door telling residents to leave the nearly 1,000 homes that are expected to be inundated by a near record flood of the mississippi river and its tributaries. they hand out fliers that say evacuating with your property is in danger right now. this is the scene in prairie county, arkansas. the high water shut down a major interstate. record-breaking floods may be on the way. rick reichmuth is watching all of this. what's the latest? >> reporter: back in '93 there were the floods that broke the records along the mississippi

river. and it's right in that town and flows down to new madrid. a lot of sunshine for people ing sandbag or evacuating for the area. but this is why we are dealing with this. when you take a look at the areas of white and purple that's anywhere from 15-20 inches of rain and it's across all of the streams that lead into the bigger rivers. then all the water has to glow down towards the south. as it does you will see river gauges where you see the purple. that's major flooding. anywhere to the south of where those two rivers merge, that will be record flooding. that will break records from back in 1937. in some cases higher than that from 2-3 feet. they don't know what will happen across those levees because they have never been tested. over the next four days this is

a look at the precipitation, not that bad, everything stays to the north so there won't be another inundays of a lot of rain that will move into this area. a peek into bin laden's computer files is starting to bear fruit. more on what we are learning about a possible terror threat to the united states. remember the story about van jones, the president's green job czar in now he's with a group that wants equal rights for mother nature. trees, streams, and rocks having the same rights that you and i do. it could end up cost you plenty. okay, team! after age 40, we can start losing muscle --

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martha: we are waiting answers on why a key intelligence briefing was just canceled by the defense department. so we were supposed to get an update on the mission that took out bin laden. sources expected some new information on what is on this computer hard drives found at the bin laden compound. no word yet on why that briefing was cancelled. jennifer griffin joins us live from the pentagon. >> reporter: what we have right now that is interesting is it's the first video that we have seen of the helicopter tail, the super secret blackhawk helicopter tail being moved from the compound on may 2. it was taken we are told by pakistani military sources to a base in abbottabad, then it was transferred to the air base just

outside the islamabad, the capital. that's the military town. we also can report that the person responsible for trying to get this helicopter tailback if you will under secretary of defense for policy has reached out to the pakistanis. there is no word yet as to what the answer from the pakistanis is, but she has reached out. there is an expectation the pakistanis will return that face as soon as possible. we also have more detail about the town of abbottabad itself. there are two reports this morning in both "the washington post" and the "new york times" that there was a safe house being used by the cia in abbottabad. we have new video from the town shot by james in pakistan. we are told that town -- when you go to that town, the way it's described, its many full of

golf course. it's retired generals. we heard talk of how there was the equivalent of west points. but it's stung how pristine a town this abbottabad was. and now we are learning that the cia had a safe house there where they were observing who was coming and going from the compound for the fast few months. and finally we have evidence from al qaeda itself that they believe that bin laden is dead. we have a statement from the group, i'll read from it. it says we call upon our muslim people in pack stan to rise up and revolt to cleanse this shame has has been attached to hem by a cliche' of traitors. essentially they are confirming that they believe usama bin laden is dead. martha: jennifer, thank you so much. so word leaked out laid

yesterday that documents found in the bin laden compound suggested a possible terror attack on our rail lines. adding to the security concerns already familiar to fliers and travelers out there. in 2010 homeland security allocated $300 million for rail security. as of march, amtrak employs 451 police and security personnel. as of december the tsa had 963 employees. most of those are believed to be those security screeners that you see when you come in and out of the airport. so we'll see how the security is stepped up in light of all of this. in the meantime one of usama bin laden's wives is painting a picture of what life was like living with the world's most wanted man. saying they basically spent five

years inside that walled compound cut off literally from the rest of the world. never coming and going. reportedly telling pakistan security she literally never stepped outside the towering walls of that complex. basically a self-imposed prison within those walls had they made for themselves. she moved there in 2006, according to this testimony. the associated press is reporting three of bin laden's wives are being interrogated by pakistani intelligence. they are trying to get a better idea of how bin laden lived for 7 years as everybody was hunting for him in pakistan-afghanistan. about an hour from now we are going to see a very big event. president obama will honor those who risked their lives in this daring and dangerous mission. he's en route to personally thank the special ops teams including the navy seals, and members of the army and air

force who are back in the united states and debriefing on this amazing mission. mike tobin is live at fort campbell, kentucky. >> reporter: what we are hearing from the president's spokesman. he will try to avoid spiking the ball. but that might be difficult to do here in hangar number 3 with a band playing. now, the president's plan is to meet with members of the 160th special operations aviation regiment. those are the guys who flew the helicopters on that historic mission. he will also meet with members of the air force who provided crucial support and he will meet with members of seal team 6 whose names and faces we may never know, but thank them for the role they played in this mission. the president speaking to "60 minutes" says the killing of bin

laden does speak to the ultimate question of whether the u.s. can start drawing down troops from afghanistan. >> what happened sunday reconfirms that we can focus on al qaeda, focus on the threats to our homeland, train afghans in a way that allows them to stablize their country. but we don't need to have a perpetual footprint of the size we have now. >> reporter: fort campbell was chosen because it's home to the 160th special operations aviation regiment. this units seemed tailor made to do exactly what they did in abbottabad. they are made up of lead volunteers. they pioneered nighttime flying techniques. when you read part of their creed wind's i guard my unit's mission with secrecy. my only ally is the night and the elements of surprise.

it seems absolutely appropriate. martha: a well-deserved day. we can't wait to see that reception. it will be tremendous. mike tobin at fort campbell. let many get back to the economy. we have new information that came out todayen to the jobs picture in the united states. the national unemployment rate for the month of april ticked up to 9% up from 8.8% in the previous month. that's the first increase since november. but at the same time the u.s. added 244,000 jobs last month. so that's a decent number. we are being told that is the biggest hiring spree we have seen in five years. if you are confused how these numbers can be heading in two different directions. that's why we goth to this gentleman. hey, doug. >> reporter: how one interprets the job numbers may

be a reflection of one's political views. it's a good news bad news story. and something the president's opponents accent waiting the negative. the economy created 224,000 jobs, the largest increase in 11 months. some economists expected a gain of 186,000. some believe these numbers are approaching the points where the u.s. could see a self-sustaining job growth situation. the bad news is the unemployment rate picked up to 9%. the great fear is that gasoline prices now approaching an average of $4 a gallon are eating up more americans' income. but administration remains optimistic. >> i think what we have got to do as the president has said many times within we have got to get a coherent energy policy that emphasizes energy efficient i, alternative fuels, so every

time there is a problem in the middle east, every time there is an earthquake or natural disaster, the price doesn't shoot up and we have the same conversation. >> reporter: but economists see storm cloudsen to the horizon in these job numbers. rue * unemployment at 9% is very disturbing. we are 22 months into the recovery. we should be doing much better. the economy should be growing as the 7%, not 2%. we should be adding 4. >> reporter: most disturbing is the real unemployment rate that rows up 2/10 from march. that's a measure of those not just look for work but forced to work part time even though they want to work full time. martha: so one of the most controversial people that president obama ever hired is today on a new mission.

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incredible gathering and a huge celebrating this successful mission to kill usama bin laden. being had today by the president in secret ceremonies will be the special ops folks who provided crucial support. task force 160 is the special operation pilots that flew them in and out of this mission and also the navy seals seal tell 6 that we heard so much -- team 6 that we heard so much about. it is an extraordinary accomplishment for them. they are about to be thanked by their commander in cheever. we'll watch this unfold as the president arrives to greet them it's a tremendous moment these folks have worked so hard and continue to work our missions around the globe as well as we speak, to continue to try to keep us safe and secure. this is something that has been worked on for the last 10 years. celebrating is certainly in order and the president will be there to thank them personally.

all of this races this big question. what happens now with the war in afghanistan. critics on both sides of the political spectrum saying the deaths of bin laden could be a window of opportunity for pulling american forces out of harm's way. president obama said he had already planned to begin that drawdown of the troops in july. >> starting in july of this year we are drawing down troops. we are transitioning. we are training afghan troops so they can secure their own country. what happened sunday reconfirms that we can focus on al qaeda, focus on the threats to our homeland will be. martha: there you have it. michael reagan joins knee now. chairman of the reagan group. good to have you here today. a lot of people look at the

mission in afghanistan, knowing the president wants to begin pulling people out in july of this year and say is there a reason to continue at this point? >> i think that many really a discussion that need to take place. when he said that, remember we hadn't gotten osama bin laden. it's a game change. everybody knows when we went into afghanistan, when we were attacked. we went into get usama bin laden to kill those people who attacked america. we have now gotten usama bin laden. $3 trillion, 10 years later. now we have to figure out how to define the next move with our military. a lot of people are saying we are spending 40 cents out of every dollar. our schools and roads are in disrepair. the border of america is in shambles. we need to start spending money back home and turning that government -- the afghan government back over to afghanistan and let them deal with their government.

take the footprint out. have a small contingency to do the job america needs to do. we do not need all of those people in afghanistan now. we accomplished the mission of killing usama bin laden. martha: it sounds like you are supportive of taking that kind of action. >> i think most people are. you can play the politic all you want. but the fact is we went there to do one thing. we got that done. that was done last sunday night. now, we have to define what the mission is from this point forward. and what is it going to be? why should we stay there longer? are we going to turn that country into a country that can get along in the middle east? hopefully that's what happens with our support and help. but do we need to have all the soldiers in the field that we have today? do we need that? a lot of people say we don't need as many troops on the ground as we have had in the past.

martha: once you make that decision to pull out or draw down troops, everybody who may lose their life from that moment on until the even of thaitd that mission runs the risk of being an unnecessary death. so if that's what's going to happen. if we are going to turn things over to the afghan police and secure systems built and trained in afghanistan, then maybe we should leave immediately. >> the reality is, i just got off the phone with a couple generals this morning who understand what needs to be done. absolutely understand that we need to redefine this mission if we are going stay much longer. what is that mission going to be. we are building schools. we are building highways, we are doing a lot of stuff in afghanistan, that we are not doing in the united states of america. you have to in fact tell the american people why it's more necessary to build highways, to build schools, to build things there, and stop building highways, stop building schools. and helping the americans.

martha: basically we are nation building. we are trying to strengthen the government and military there so they can do it on their own and not fall back into the hands of the taliban. >> i don't think people are talking about not training the military to take care of things in afghanistan. certainly we have to do that. we have to have people on the ground to be able to do that. do you need the thousands of troops to do that? martha: we just saw president obama. he just arrived in fort campbell, kentucky. we just saw him deplane from air force one. he will take the short ride to greet the troops. there will be a huge celebration going on at fort campbell. let's get back to michael reagan. obviously all of this is squarely in focus. and it questions where our military moves next and it

questions the whole reason for being in afghanistan notice first place and what winning in afghanistan looks like. >> somebody has to define it. most people saw winning in afghanistan was getting osama bin laden. you have to define winning. nobody defined it other than getting and killing and capturing osama bin laden. let's redefine what wing is in that area of the world. but do we leave the thousands of troops? do we need to put a larger surge in there to really combat what's going on? we are losing a lot of soldiers, coming home in body bags and the american people say we have to solve bin laden. do we need to do that? define why we need to be there. if somebody defines it everybody will jump on board. the white house is losing credibility this last woke. sunday was a great day for the president and everybody in washington. but as the week went on, what happened. every story that was told seemed

on changed and within 24 hours it was different. so nobody knows what happened in that compound accept that usama bin laden is dead. martha: michael, thank you very much. the president went some distance in the "60 minutes" interview saying we can focus on al qaeda, we don't need a perpetual footprint the size we do now. it sounds like you are lined up with him to a certain extent. president obama's controversial former green jobs czar. we'll tell you will what he has found in terms of a new job and new calling. van jones wants to make sure mother nature has the same rights as you and me. is the idea farfetched or cutting edge? in three minutes we'll reports. you can decide. the drama is building. the jet man cleared to fly over the grand canyon. but suddenly his plans are shall we say up in the air. the latest on this stunt. we'll be right back.

martha: there is a new push by some environmentalists to make sure mother nature has the same rights as you a and i do. critics argue this is a power grab.

what is the idea of giving human rights to mother nature? report report concept isn't new, but it's gang momentum among environmentalists who want to broaden their ability to file lawsuits by giving mother nature legal standing. newly formed across i strift groups are preparing a declaration for the rights of nature. they argue just like people, trees, rivers and a -- and anims have a right to exist. some say this a ploy for activists to exploit their political power. >> lawyers and bureaucrats can extend more control over other people. in other words, if you extend rights to nature you will diminish human rights. >> reporter: the movement getting support from van jones,

the obama administration's former green jobs czar who resigned resurfaced. he signed a petition suggesting the bush administration was involved in the 9/11 terror attacks. he's a board member of a group based in san francisco that wants enforceable rights for mother nature to be viable by 2014. martha: thank you very much. so this question now. does the death of usama bin laden, what kinds of changes does it mean for our mission in afghanistan. that's going to be one of the things the president will discuss moment from now. just a few minutes from now, the story of what happened with the real life rocketeer who wanted to cross the grand canyon with a trusty jet pack. we'll be back with what

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martha: this is what's going on outside the u.s. embassy in london. it's showing clashes after muslim protesters staged a mock funeral service for usama bin laden and dozens of police officers, you can see the bodies spring into action here as protesters tried to storm the u.s. embassy in london.

they were carrying placards that claimed islam will dominate the world and they were branding u.s. murderers for what happened to usama bin laden. this comes amidst heightened security in london. does bin laden's death mean the end of the war on terror? our power panel, scott weber, former counsel to the secretary of homeland security. also a fox news contributor. your reaction to what we are seeing in london. >> it's nice to live in a country that has free speech. >> syria. martha: what do it say about where we may be headed? >> i think it talks about the small group of people who really do believe that jihad is the

way, and that that is what they must do. there is no way around this. he may be dead, but this war is going to continue and we cannot loans our guard. martha: when you look back at the language used by the obama administration to talk about this. when he first came into office there was an abandonment of the war on terror phrase. they didn't want to use that phrase to discuss what was going on. yet when eric holder talked about the justification for what was done to bin laden he said he's the commander in the field. so it was right there says to me, i guess this is a war on terror that is continuing. >> i have never been a fan of the language the adds min straition has used, but at the ends of the day it's what you do, not what you say that matters most. they have been very aggressive

not just on this raid and elimination of bin laden but the prosecution of the war in afghanistan, right down the line to what we are doing in yemen. this administration has been aggressively fighting the war against al qaeda. that war will continue without bin laden. they declared war. that's something my fellow democrats forgets. we didn't launch a around against terror. al qaeda declared war against us. martha: i think it's powerful what you said. actions do always speak louder than words. you will be able to points to this and say you can say all want, but this what is we did. the fact remains he was president when this happened. that will reflect well on him in the warren terror. how much do they put forward. in terms of afghanistan, what is the mission in terms of hurting the taliban, hurting al qaeda and knocking the legs

out from people who wants to launch a terror attack. >> it's a continuum. it's a generational continuum. at the risk of being thre big ci believe this war will continue for many generations. as long as you have people who are sociopaths who have nothing else to turn to. they look for a cause. martha: someone asked when will the war on terror end, and he said probably never. he got so criticized for saying this. what does it mean? we'll be iraq forever? in afghanistan forever. i feel like this is a reality of our lifetime. this isn't going go away. >> it's not going anywhere. when i spoke to richard clarke, the count are terrorism advisor for two presidents. he said i'm obviously thrilled by bin laden's death, but i'm

worried america is going to use this as an excuse to lower its guards, maybe we don't have to spend what we are spending on the departments of homeland security and maybe we can afford to cut back here and there. that's when you get sloppy. that's when vigilence flags and that's when the nation become vulnerable. martha: i sight as finishing a piece of business with usama bin laden. the networks -- its will be interesting to see how much attention he was getting for this rail, blowing up the railway idea he apparent plirn penciled down and handed to somebody. but it inspires the next guy. >> al qaeda is not dismantled. and that's the goal. i take a slightly more optimistic take on this. because of what happened in egypt, tunisia, the young people, the rise and modernity

in these arab states is a promising sign that this will not and perpetual war. it's related to a time and place. martha: when you look at death of bin laden coinciding with the so-called arab spring. the world is changing. these young people are not interested in the kind of battle that he's professing. however, look at what's happening in the streets of london. >> we don't know what the arab spring has birthed yet. we don't know what the muslim brotherhood which has positioned itself as non-sectarian but we know has nefarious motives. what's the end state of egypt? martha: today i pinned up a poster on my wall of anwar al-awlaki. it has all the different tentacles that show who's

connected to. i fear i may have to wake up and do a story about something he pulled off. i hope that's wrong. >> if you look at the last atementd attacks, they have all come from yemen. from anwar al-awlaki. just because al qaeda core is gone doesn't mean we don't have to worry about all of the other affiliates, like-mined groups and even the individual who is fired up. >> jihadism is losing. this is where the bush administration. martha: we all hope you are right. >> they are embracing freedom in the arab world. martha: good to have you all here today. there is a growing stan today that has law make -- growing scandal that has lawmakers looking for justice. how drug cartels got their hands on american weapons and used

those guns to kill u.s. border agents. this is a sticky story. congressman darrell issa has powerful accusations. that's coming up next. >> we are not looking at the straw buyers. we are look out. we are look as the your key people who knew or should have known about this. @=h

martha: we have new reaction to a growing scandal of american weapons that were sold to drug cartels as parts of an american string operation. in a letter to the ag came a rare handwritten notation at bottom one of those letters to eric holder. charms grassley of iowa wrote, ps, you should check to see if

you are getsing accurate information from your staff. you might be i will-served. republican congressman darrell issa also signed that letter. i spoke with him earlier. >> thanks fear having me back and thanks for covering this important issue in which americans are dead as a result of american weapons are being sold knowingly to the bad guys. martha: there is a lot of controversy over this entire situation, the guns basically were sold in order to follow those guns into mexico and figure towlts where the guns went. >> let's first all remember the bad guys came trying to buy guns. the purchasers are criminals and the people that atf were trying to get to are still targets. in our case we are looking at

what went wrong. what was wrong in the organization, the aparole and oversights of what's called fast and furious that allowed for these weapons to be lost track of after they were purchased and ultimately americans and mexican officials paying with their lives because these weapons are loose. >> you bleach i.c.e. agent zapata was killed with one of these fast and furious guns. >> we have reason to believe and brian terry are the victim of these weapons found in acore dance with it and matched up. i think the important thing is as tragic as this is weren't entire process of trying to do something which we all understand, they needed to get peopleaking straw purchases. but where the controls failed and now where the coverup is going all the way to the office of the attorney general, and as chuck grassley, senator grassley said, we know it goes to his

office. we know there were many of his most key lieutenants involved in this. what we can't understand is why they don't come clean and tell us what they thought they were approving versus what actually happened so we can make sure this process is not repeated the ever again in america. martha: in order to prove this case in a compelling way, you would need to produce the evidence that those murders were indeed directly linked to this. you said we do. what do you mean by that in terms of having corn crete evidence that these guns weather fast and furious code on them were indeed used in those murders? >> we went and met with on a voluntary basis the gun dealers and the atf agents and other federal officials involved in these programs. we have their testimony, voluntary testimony. these people are hearts broken that they were involved in what ultimately has led to guns being

loose. and again we are not investigating murders. we are not investigating drugs corruption. congress has a sovereign and a some up role, bits many limited. we are looking at the process that failed to protect these weapons from getting counties wrong people's hannes. we are looking as the what went tblongt process all the way to the attorney general's own offices that allowed for this mistake to happen. and try to find a way to make sure it doesn't happen again. that's what senator grassley is doing. that's what i'm doing. we do not wants to -- we have been careful in the release of documents top redacts. we don't want to tint fear with the appropriate conviction of these people who bought and in straw purchases and passed on the guns that ultimately led to bad things. but at the same time we have an obligation to the american people to show we'll not allow guns to walk into the wrong hands and then talk about gun lie lens on the streets. we have to make sure the thousands of weapons are

accounted for and this never happens again. that's what senator grassley and i have been working on along with so many whistleblowers that are cooperating what's disapoints is we don't have cooperation yet from the attorney general's office. today we got the first discovery well after subpoenas, and it was very limited. we need cooperation as to the process and where things went wrong. martha: thank you very much for joining us. good to have your inputs. we are continuing to follow this developing story out of london. where muslim protesters are clark with police outside the u.s. embassy over the death of usama bin laden. we have the latest from the ground in london. plus fox's adam housley has this. >> reporter: americans are buying gadgets for mom more than ever before. how about a blender that also makes soup. it's coming up next only on fox. .

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martha: the jet man got grounded today basically. he planned to soar over the grand canyon using a jet pack. but it's all on hold now. so you took off the jet pack, i guess, trace. >> reporter: he did. the reason why this whole thing was cancelled is a little bit muddy. the swiss adventurer was going to go up in a helicopter 4,000 feet and jump out. unfold his composite wings and off he would go flying over the grand canyon 130 miles an hour. he was going to do aerial maneuvers flying between 6-13 minutes. now he's not going to do it.

it's was supposed to fly at 9:00 this morning and they said they are waiting for the faa to give approval. so the faa gave approval at 8:30 in the morning. 9:15, no flight. 9:30 no flight. they said we are waiting for the faa to inspect the apparatus. we contacted the faa, they said we already inspected the wings. then they announced they are cancelling the flight because the faa pulled the plug. we called the faa again and they said no we didn't. finally rossi admits the faa gave him the approval but he did not have time to train. listen here. >> we did receive half an hour ago the official paper. and we have now the authorization. but as i said, any professional aviator wouldn't go in such a challenging place flying without training. i didn't have the time to train.

>> reporter: it was a spectacle. television stations from three states came out. he didn't have time to train? the faa said they worked on this for eight days. we are not calling rocketman chickenman. but he veil today snowfalmarthag thing but said i didn't have time to train. it didn't make sense. we have to go because mother's day is coming up. it's time to show your mom you love her and appreciate her. never mine the flowers or jewelry. we want high-tech gadgets. adam housley is live in our l.a. bureau. you are trying to sell us something, adam. report what you just said is why we are doing this. apparently mothers weren't more gadgets. last year alone it went up 50%

in purchasing. they are saying $15 billion for mothers' day. the highest ever will be people buying electronic gadgets. you have three kids. do you get they presents or just one. martha: i get three for sure. i had every one of them, don't you think they owe me something? >> everything here is affordable. this one is a coffee maker but it's a new take on a coffee maker. you put the beans inside and it grind it for you. i like this one. this is a popsicle maker. you take and put your ingredients in. 7 minutes later you pull out a popsicle. martha: that's too much work. >> reporter: you also have a soup maker and the top is a measuring cup. you put everything inside.

it blintsds, cooked it for you. and these are some of the things you can find. >> martha: these are involving work on my part so far. >> reporter: not as much as you might think. this will blenld it for you. we wanted to talk to the industry expert. is this just us? we did some research which we normally do. we are increasing significantly. he's saying -- a lot of industry experts are saying that is a long-term change in your buying habits. take a listen. >> i think there is an awful lot of mothers not looking for another box of candy and some flowers. they are look for an ipad or an iphone or something in that -- or a digital camera or gps device. they are looking for things they can use in their life and enjoy and get something out of. >> reporter: i bought one of these for my mom for christmas. it's $129. you can email pictures to mom.

there are some things you can find. everything is affordable. $199, $149. these are things you can buy. martha: you have know way asked for? >> reporter: or the apron. martha: that's cool. i asked for a cherry tree. and a round of golf. no one wants to play golf with me because i'm so bad. >> reporter: you play golf? martha: i'm trying. thank you, adam. all right. urged to go by the police in memphis. they are knock on doors telling people you have to get out of your home or risk getting strand by the floodwaters. the latest from the danger zeen along the mississippi river next. [ male announcer ] gout's root cause is high uric acid.

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martha: happy mother's day to my mom, who is the best mom in the world and also to megyn, a mom, again, if she is watching. happy mother's day, megyn. >>shepard: and happy mother's day