and strong marriage is at the root of strong families. life, because of course we are all created equal. those fonding concepts, what transformed the world in this us of america -- in this united states of america, was a belief in family, life and dignity of every person. if we abandon that, we have given up on america. [ applause ] >> shannon: thank you. >> bret: now to juan williams on jobs, unions and education. >> juan: i think we want to get this debate back to the number within issue for voters in this country. jobs. i want to do it this time with an emphasis on union jobs. so, herman cain, here in south carolina, as you heard before, the gop is up in arms over a decision by the general council of the national labor relations board, challenging the boeing company for moving

jobs to a right to work state. in wisconsin, governor walker has ended collective bargaining rights for some civil service workers. mr. cain, does the gop risk the perception it is becoming the union busting party? >> i don't think so. because what the national labor relations board did by siteing -- citing boeing about coming to south carolina is outrageous. we have a free market system. for the government to start picking winners and losers and trying to decide where those winners should put their business it is outrageous. it would upset the balance of how our free market system is suppose odd to work. one of the biggest problems we have with this country today is too much government intervention in trying to tell businesses how to do what they do best, which is create jobs. government doesn't create jobs. businesses create jobs. we need to get government out

of the way, including trying to tell a company where they should be build a new plant! [ applause ] >> juan: congressman paul, i have the same question for you, sir. let me add, republicans have historically had success when appealing to union voters, blue collar voters. do you see danger in the gop alienating union members? >> i wouldn't think so. i think union members believe in the rule of law as well. you can approach them in other ways. i represented a farm district and they thought you couldn't be elected if you didn't vote for subsidies you reach them in a different manner. when it comes to jobs, you have to look where all the jobs are being lost. in texas we have a right to work state. no income tax and no corporate tax. where the jobs coming from?

union states. because the wages are higher. they made more money when the jobs were there. now they don't build automobiles and we don't have steel mills any more. the union wage is an artificial wage, mandated by the government under the national labor relations bore. the whole thing is unconstitutional. the interstate commerce clause should facilitate and allow people to move their businesses back and forth not to inhibit business decisions [ applause ] >> juan: governor pawlenty, when you ed in minnesota you named an education commissioner who equated the teaching of creationism with the teaching of evolution. do you equate the teaching of creationism with the teaching of evolution, as the basis for what should be taught in our nation's schools? i ask that in the sense, do you personally equate a faith-based theory with scientific inquiry?

>> juan, the approach we took in minnesota is to say there should be room in the curriculum for study of intelligent design. didn't need to be in science class. we didn't decide that at the state level. we left that up to the local districts and parents in that area. i think that's a reasonable and appropriate approach. if i might add something relating to your previous question. i grew fun in a meat packing town, i was in a union for seven years. my family is a union family. my brothers and sisters many work in unions to this day. i understand this issue. we are not against hardworking men and women. they need jobs. we are against government intervening in the market and with businesses to the point where they say we are not growing jobs any more because the government is making it so expensive, delaying it so often, we are out of the job market that's the wrong direction.

it is not about bashing unions. it is about being pro job. juan want you didn't answer my question about what you believe about teaching creationism, in the schools. what do you believe? >> i believe that should be left up to parents and local districts and not states or federal government. [ applause ] >> bret: chris wallace has the next round of questions. >> chris: my job is to ask you about an issue that could be a problem for you down the road in this campaign. government now pawlenty, in january you told me that you signed a bill to promote renewable energy sources, but but we never did sign a bill relating to cap and trade in 2007 the bill you signed required a task force to recommend how the state could adopt cap and trade in 2008, you said i support a reasonable cap and trade system at the federal level. you made this ad for the epa

defense action fun. let's watch. >> if we act now, we can create thousands of new jobs in clean energy industries, before our overseas competitors beat us to it. cap greenhouse gas pollution, now. >> chris: governor, i told you it was going to be a problem for you down the line. you now say it was a dumb mistake. weren't you far more committed to cap and trade overthose years than you now let on? >> what i said that day and many other times we did consider in signing the law in minnesota that would study cap and trade. we didn't impose it. we signed up to review it, study, join with other states to look at it and we did. what i concluded is it is a bad idea. not in the last six months. i sent a letter congress two years ago. and other times have said, i was wrong, i was a mistake and

i'm sorry. it is going to be harmful to the economy. everybody here and anybody else running for president, if you have -- or considering running for president, if you've got an executive position and you have been in the battle, you are going to have battle scars or clunkers in your record, we all do. i admit. i don't try to explain eight wait a minute i'm just telling you, i made a mistake. i -- look the american people in the eye and say i made a mistake. nobody is perfect. if anybody is perfect come on up, because we would like that person to be running for president. [ applause ] >> chris: senator santorum, the last time you ran for office in 2006, you were beated -- defeated by a democrat by 18 points. you say it was a tough year for republicans, it was. some observers point to your criticism of working women in a book you had written at the time called "it takes a

family." you said, many women find it more easier, more professionally gratifying and socially an peurpling to work outbg7z the home. here, we can thank the influence of radical feminism. have you changed your opinion of why women work? >> i wasn't professing as to why women work. i said what we have is a society that was affirming women outside. i was making the case they should be affirming women for whatever choice women make. that's the point i was trying to make. i wasn't saying we shouldn't be affirming women working. we should be affirming women's' choices as to whether they decide to stay at home and give up careers as many do, willingly, including my wife, because they believe a calling for them to be a wife and mother. others who feel because of financial stress, not, that they have to work. i respect that all i'm saying is, both decisions should be

applauded and affirmed, based on the choice the woman wants to make that's the point i made in the book and i stand by that choice. i believe, as i said before the foundational unit of this country is the family. we need to have a society that is encouraging and supporting of that basic family structure. and that means to also affirm women who stay at home. >> chris: why would you link working women to radical feminism? >> i wasn't talking about working -- i was talking about radical feminism has created an atmosphere where working is affirmed in society and staying at home is not that's the point i was trying to make. i was trying to say both should be an firmed! -- should be affirmed! >> chris: congressman paul you say the federal government should stay out of people's personal habits. you say marijuana, cocaine, even heroin should be legal if

states want to permit it. you feel the same about prostitution and gay marriage. sir, why should social conservatives in south carolina vote for you for president? [ laughing ] >> they will if they understand my defense of liberty is the defense of their right to practice their religion and say their prayers where they want and practice their life. if you do not protect liberty across the board, it is a first amendment type issue. we don't have a first amendment so we can talk about the weather. we have the first amendment so we can say controversial things. for people to say that, yes we have our religious beliefs protected. people who want to follow something else you can't do this. if you the inconsistency you are not defending . there are strict rules on freedom of choice of this sort. you can't hurt other people. you can't defame other people. yes, you have a right to do

things that are very controversial. if not, you are going to end up with government that will tell us what we can eat and drink and whatever. it is amazing that we want freedom to pick the future -- our future in a spiritual way, but not when it comes to our personal habits. [ applause ] >> chris: senator, are you suggesting that heroin and prostitution are an exercise of liberty? >> i probably never used those words. you put those words some place. yes, in essence, if i leave it to the states it is going to be up to the stays. up until this past century for over 100 years they were legal. you are referring if we legalize heroin tomorrow, everybody is going to use heroin. how many people would use heroin if it were legal? i bet nobody. i need the government to take care of me. i don't want to use heroin, so

i need these laws! [ applause ] >> chris: i never thought heroin would get applause here in south carolina. governor johnson you say we should not only legalize and tax marijuana, you admit that you smoked it, when it was still illegal, in your state of new mexico, after suffering several serious and very painful bone fractures. how far would you go in legalizing drugs, sir? >> first of all, i would hope that people, we it comes to the drug issue looking at me would look at what i did as governor. which was everything was a cost-benefit analysis. using that as a criteria, half of what we spend on law enforcement, the courts and the prisons, is drug-related. to what end? we are arresting 1.8 million people a year in this country. we have 2.3 million people

behind bars in this country. the highest incarceration rate of any country in the world. i would ask people to look at this issue. see if they don't come to the same conclusion that i did. 90% of the drug problem is prohibition-related, not use-related. not to discount the problems with use and abuse. that ought to be the focus. i advocate legalizing marijuana. control it, regulate it, tax it. it will never be legal for kids to smoke or buy pot. it will never be legal to smoke pot or do harm to others. when it comes to all otheró4rt drugs i advocate harm reduction strategies which is looking at the drug problem first as a health issue, rather than a criminal justice issue. [ applause ] >> chris: mr. cain, you have never held office, but you did run once in 2004, you lost the republican senate primary in georgia, you got just 26% of the vote.

you said your opponent was pro-choice because he would have allowed abortions, pro-choice, because he would have allowed abortions in the case of rape and incest. you have an impressive personal history. why do you have any belief that you stand a chance to win this nomination, let alone the presidency? >> a couple of reasons. first of all, the people of the united states are going to elect the person that i believe projects the greatest amount of leadership strength, not the person that has the greatest amount of money. not the person that necessarily has held public office before. i'm proud of the fact that i haven't held public office before. because i asked people, most of the people elected in washington, d.c., they have held public office before. how is that working for you? we have a mess. how about sending a problem solver to the white house?

how about someone who has a career of defining the right problem. assigning the right priority. surrounding himself with the right people. if you look at this current administration it is the worst in current history. and putting together plans and being able to engage the american public in these common sense solutions. >> chris: thank you, sir. >> bret: now a lightning round. 30 seconds response from each candidate, done the row. depending on the poll, president obama is getting a bump, after the mission to kill osama bin laden. some on the left are saying president obama is unbeatable in his reelection effort. why are those pundits on the left wrong? what is his biggest vulnerability? >> his biggest aeugt will be the economy and high prices. he hasn't dealt with that because he doesn't under the business cycle as many others don't. the economy will be the big issue. my theory is people vote from

their bellies. is whether they are hungry or not or have jobs and need things. we are in big trouble. prices are going up, unemployment is continuing to go up. we have not had the necessary correction with the financial bubble created by our federal reserve system until you allow the correction in the liquidation of debt, you can't have growth. >> bret: mr. cane? >> president obama is not un able, because one right decision -- unbeatable, because one right decision does not a great president make. if you look at the economy he has no policy. gasoline prices continue to group. his administration has done nothing to help bring down the cost of oil by utilizing our energy resources. i believe that vulnerable in many ways, not to mention all of the broken promises since he's been president of the united states. >> bret: governor pawlenty? >> we have $4 a gallon gas.

this morning they announced $6 in hawaii. crushing levels of unemployment. almost unbearable for so many of our fellow americans. a federal government out of control and spiralling towards financial insolvency. if you look at those facts and say president obama is unbeatable, i say respectfully, those polls are wrong. we can't restore america's promise unless we have a president who keeps his promises to america. he stood before the american people and said he's going to cut the deficit in half in his first term. he didn't keep that promise either. >> bret: senator santorum? >> when i ran for the house i was up a democratic incumbent he had gotten 67% since his first, i beat him. i got in a disstatistic 72% democrat, a 22 year incumbent, he left, i won that. that's the second i took out

of congress. 1994 ran an incumbent who had just beat the sitting attorney general by 10 points, i beat him. three democratic incumbents. you want somebody who can beat democratic incumbents in tough times? >> bret: governor johnson? >> i believe we are on the verge of a financial collapse unless we balance the federal budget. i don't see that happening with obama i do see that happening with the republican party. why the american electorate is going to give republicans back control of the presidency and congress and the senate, given that a few short years ago they did that and republicans passed a prescription drug care benefit and ran up record deficits, i'm not so sure. i'm under the belief that only republicans are capable of solving the problem that exists right now. which is the collapse of our economy. >> bret: when we come back, another lightning round on the potential candidates who are not here.

head to foxnews.com. vote on that topic. we'll wrap up with the closing arguments from each of the candidates here. stay with us.

>> bret: welcome back. a lot of people weighed in on foxnews.com about those candidates who are not here tonight. as we near the conclusion, we figured we would try something a little different. a lightning round about those candidates. each of you will have 30 seconds to the answer questions. i will start. mr. cain, you supported governor romney 2008. what did you see in him back then that led you to support his campaign? >> back i saw his business experience, which i concluded that meant that he understood how to create jobs. like then and now, the creation of jobs is one of the most critical issues that we have in this country. that's why i supported him. i'm running now, rather than supporting mr. romney, because he did not win. so i'm going to try my time. [ laughing ] >> bret: thank you mr. cain.

>> chris: governor pawlenty you have been campaigning for months, especially in iowa. mike huckabee is still considering whether to run and he's already beating you badly in the polls, even in iowa. sir, if he gets in this race, are you out of business? >> i love the huck. i know him, he's been a colleague and friend. i know janet, his spouse. he's a wonderful man and he has a big heart and a lot of talent and he cares about this country. i appreciate him very much. my views and his views may not always line-up. they mostly do. i'm planning to be in it. if i decide to do this to win it in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina and everywhere else. i'm still not very well known outside of minnesota. i think momentum is on my side. >> shannon: congressman paul, a lot of folks consider you the founding father of the tea party movement.

now congresswoman bachmann heads-up the tea party caucus in the house. has she eclipsed you? >> she is not here tonight -- [ laughing ] >> we attend meetings together. of course the tea party movement was started during the last campaign when there was a special day where they raised six million dollars spontaneously. [ cheering ] >> that was the beginning of it. no, i don't feel threatened. >> shannon: thank you. >> juan: senator santorum, newt gingrich, after pulling out of this south carolina debate appears ready to announce his presidential candidacy next week in georgia. as a social conservative senator, do you have a problem with gingrich's past personal behavior? >> i think that you should be

very careful about how you deal with those issues. all of us make mistakes. just because we make mistakes, we shouldn't be inhabit -- in ed from saying the truth. just because you fall short doesn't moon you can't stand up and say this is the right way to do it. there are some who like to bully people, from standing up for things that are important in society. that we fall short on. i would say to newt gingrich, stand up for the truth and let the chips fall where they may. [ applause ] >> bret: governor johnson, if you had a reality tv show, like donald trump does, what would it be? >> wow! i'm really stumped. i'm an active guy. so reality tv for me would be to spread this whole notion of

physical activity and competition and the notion we should all live in the present. i don't think it would be donald trump show. i don't think it would be sarah palin's show crawling on her hands and knees in alaska. i'm totally stumped. >> i understand. you mentioned you look to workout. you have run 30 marathons? >> i have. >> what are you running away from? >> i got to stand on top of the planet. i had the good fortune to summit everest. i have a goal to climb the highest mountain on each continent. now i finish my reality show. i hope to climb the highest mountain on the seven continents, i have three to go. so my reality show would be trying those last three.

>> bret: thank you. each candidate has 30 seconds foreclosing remarks. we begin with congressman paul. >> the big issue today is the budget and deficit. we approach it in washington by looking at it as an accounting problem, it . it is a philosophical problem. until we decide what the role of government ought to be we can solve it. protect our liberties and take care of our personal and provide a free market economy and provide for the national defense. which means, we bring our troops home. we restore sound money to this country. [ applause ] >> bret: mr. cain, your closing remarks, sir. >> fellow patriots, in this exceptional nation the united states of america, we need real economic growth. a real energy independence plan. real national security clarity.

and we are only going to get it with real leadership. not more positionship. god bless you. and yes god is blessing america. [ applause ] >> bret: governor pawlenty. >> as i travel america it seems too many of our fellow americans feel that america's best days are behind us. let me tell you, they are not. i grew up in a working-class family. i led my state in a conservative common sense direction. we can restore america's promise. i know that because i've lived it and i've live the american dream. we are going to need to restore common sense, american common sense to washington, d.c.. i hope you will join our cause began to timpawlenty.com to find out more. >> a lot of people can check boxes and say they have conservative positions. i've led on every one from social conservative issues, life, marriage, and i've got

the arrows in my back from the mainstream media to prove it. i've led on national security issues, sometimes against president bush on issues like the iran freedom support act. i've been out front on national security issues. out front with my former colleague jim demint on social security, medicare, welfare reform. i led on welfare reform. i was the one that carry the water on that. it is not just checking the boxes it is having the courage to lead. >> governor johnson. >> i'm an entrepreneur that ran for governor of new mexico promising to bring a common sense business approach to state government that everything was going to be a cost-benefit analysis. i got we elected in a state that was 2-1 democrat. we are on the verge of a financial collapse unless we balance the budget. that means tough choices that are doable.

all doable under the context of a common sense business approach to the way government does business and a cost-benefit analysis that goes along with everything that government is doing. garr ronjohnson2012.com. -- gary -- >> gentlemen, thank you very much it has been a pleasure that is it for tonight. our thanks to the candidates and staff. republican party of south carolina and also to all the great people here in the peace center in greenville. [ applause ] >> bret: thanks for watching and good night.

>> sean: welcome to a special edition of hannity. the race began officially this evening near greenville, south carolina. where all the -- gop candidates pawlenty, santorum, paul, cain and johnson went head-to-head and they debated the nation's most pressing issues from the disastrous state our economy to the dangers of obamacare. you are going to hear from four of the five tonight here on this program, except for ron paul. he decided to go to the tea party rally, instead. who won tonight's debate? we check in with frank luntz. standing by with a group of south carolina gop primary voters. >> sean, we got 29 of the most important people in america sitting behind me.

who won the debate? how many of you think herman cain won the debate? we can stop right there. sean, a word or to describe herman cain. >> he answers the questions most direct. >> breath of fresh air. >> common sense. >> talking points. >> clear and concise. >> very aggressive. >> the godfather of business sense he can attack obama well. >> clear-cut plan on which way to take america. >> how many of you walked in with herman cain as your number one choice, raise your hands? >> one. how many walking out with herman cain as your number one choice? unprecedented. he was not a real candidate before tonight, what happened? >> he talked correctly on taxation, free markets and leadership. >> he has a plan. he's articulate and he knows what we need. >> he won us over. i think he can win america

over. >> how? >> he's likeable. >> he understood about defining a problem. then coming up with a solution. >> was very precise about it. >> he knew what needed to be done. how to outline the problem. and find a solution. and to find the people to solve the problem. >> this man has never been elected. he has never held public office. [ talking over each other ] >> his line was how is that working for you? >> i want to show you this one clip where he talked -- scored incredibly high. the highest dialed moment. let me borrow this. red line represents conservatives. line represents less. the higher they turned their dials the more favorable the reaction this is herman cain at his best. let's attack a look.

>> one of the biggest problems we have this country today is too much government intervention in trying to tell businesses how to do what they do best. which is create jobs. government doesn't create jobs. businesses create jobs. we need to get government out of the way, including trying to tell a company where they should build a new plant. [ applause ] >> there's some intensity here. did you know who he was before today? >> no. i was very impressed tonight. >> i was impressed. i hadn't heard much about him. i'm still for santorum. but he's coming up. >> he does not talk like a politician, he talks stray. >> you guys agree? >> yes! >> sean, maybe 35, 40 of these debates for fox. i've never had this kind of reaction until tonight this is one individual came in

supporting now more than half of this group, it didn't happen. something special happened this evening. >> sean: frank, let me ask the group this question this is key, a lot of the other candidates that we expect will be getting into this. newt gingrich was not there, sarah palin, donald trump was not there, mit romney was not there. do they want to see them before they come to their conclusion? >> yes! >> how does it make you feel those candidates did not participate? >> i love seeing other people besides the flashyness of everyone else. >> i agree but you need to take south carolina more serious. >> are you angry at those candidates for not showing up? >> yes! >> romney lost my vote. i'm now for cain. >> how many would say the candidates who didn't show up lost your vote tonight, because they weren't here

raise your hands? who did you switch from? >> newt gingrich to cain. >> you went from gingrich to cain. who did you switch from? >> it allowed me to take a closer look at everybody else which may hurt them. because with were allowed to see what the other people stood for. >> again sean, there's a mistake, political calculation made by some candidates it was too early. i would argue they made a mistake. for these republicans you want obama out? >> yes! >> you want the campaign now? >> yes! >> i think they made a mistake by not showing up. >> sean: i don't want to be contrary to the audience. there are some legit miss reasons. donald trump would have to finish the apprentice. newt gingrich stated he has unfinished business before he can legally jump into the race. i want to get their reaction to that? >> do you feel sorry for donald trump that he has to

finish "the apprentice?" how many of you want trump to run? six. do you think it is okay for romney not to have participated? >> i think he has to work much harder to convince the south carolina republicans to vote for him. >> it is disappointing i expected more from romney. >> what about gingrich? >> south carolina is one of the first primary states they should have been here tonight. >> there's an advantage. >> one more and then back to sean. >> they say every candidate who wins south carolina always win the republican vote. why wouldn't you be here? that shows that you should be here for sure. >> no demand for donald trump, we did a little film being before we went on it will be amusing to you. if we can get that on air. they are glad this debate happened. but they wish the other candidates had participated. >> sean: frank, one thing,

please remind them, i heard their reaction, i am right here in south carolina. i'm not running, but here, just so they know. i wanted to ask the question if they wanted to hear from the other candidates. frank luntz, thanks. we turn now to the candidates themselves. all eyes on tim pawlenty. one of the front-runners for the 2012 gop nomination. here's a look at his performance from earlier tonight. >> there's a group of individuals who are radical jihadists. we need to call them by name. they believe it is okay to kill people in the name of their religion. it is not all of islam. it is not all muslims. but there is a subgroup who believe it is okay. in fact, it is their plan and skin to -- and design to kill people. the people and mind sill at the time that killed 3,000 on september 11th, would have killed 300,000 or three million or 30 million.

we need to do everything we can within our value systems and legal structures to make sure that doesn't happen. >> sean: joining me is former minnesota governor pawlenty. good to see you. how did it feel the first debate? >> it is grey. i appreciate fox news for doing it. important discussion. fox was first to have it. i was glad to be here to take the case to president obama. >> sean: this focus group an angry some of the other candidates weren't there. do you think there are legitimate reasons as of this early date they are not here? >> i think some are undecided whether they want to have a exploratory committee. i suppose that is a fair excuse. it is already may. we have a country that is $5 a gallon gas, unbearable unemployment and a federal government that is out of control. we have to take back this country and take it to president obama. >> sean: i wanted clarification as i was watching the debate tonight. the question came up two years ago and the issue of waterboarding. you were against it two years

ago? i wind clear. >> i was listening carefully to the clip that chris played. i don't think it said i was it. i said you have to balance factors when you use it. i do support enhanced interrogation techniques. obviously their value is shining through with respect to the bin laden killing. >> sean: you had big applause when you say the first job of the federal government is to protect the people of this country. when you you look at all we are learning, enhanced interrogation, rendition, black sites, all these methods used policies president obama we would not have gotten bin laden sunday. what does that tell you about the president and his mindset? >> when the dust settles somebody should ask the president we the record is established, i think they did lead or contribute to finding bin laden. go back to the president and

your campaign, exploited it to the detriment of senator mccain, very critical of president bush. ask him now, do you regret those statements? would you support those techniques now? i think the president owes the american people that explanation or clarification. >> sean: at least give president bush some of the about it these issues. we are not going to have the -- >> i met with president bush once in the white house towards the end of his term. the race was unsettled between senator mccain and senator obama at the time. president bush says i don't care who gets in here, when they know what i know, they will do about what i did. >> sean: as you look -- i thought this was an interesting point. we are the greatest weaknesses, if you were to win, that you see with president obama and how would he be defeated? >> his economic policies are a disaster his world view growing jobs in this country is ridiculous.

number within thing i hear around the country -- number one thing i hear around the country, they say get the off my back. this president is putting more of the government on their back. it is too expensive, too slow and the like. >> sean: as we move forward on economic issues. you support tax cuts. >> yes.lái?. >> sean: how would you balance the budget for the federal government and begin the process of paying off 14 plus trillion in debt which is going to be higher soon? >> there are many things we have to i governed a very liberal state. i had the first government shutdown in 150 years. i set a record for vetoes. you got to draw lines in the sand. it does lead to reforming entitlement programs. we have to look the people in the eye tell them what we are going to do we have to raise the retirement age for social security for new restaurant --

for new entrants into the program. people coming into the workforce, 16, 17, 18 that retirement age will raise over time. we have to means test, the -- not the whole program if you are wealthy you are not going to get as big adjustment in the future. we have to get into the meat of this. there are similar answers for medicaid and medicare. those are examples of proposals, we can get a majority of the country to support. we need to fix this problem and use this debt ceiling debate as an opportunity to force the issue. >> sean: they didn't use the word war on terror for a long time. mirandizing enemy combatants, i take issue with. do you think they should release the photos? you said yes.

what did you think of the funeral that took place? we are told that bin laden is not a muslim, he represents a per vision, hijacking of islam. yet he got full islamic custom, 40 minute ceremony on a warship. he was even -- interpreted into arabic. >> we are not dealing with the armies in uniform of established nations in battle. these are folks who are rogue terrorists. outside of the bounds of normal battle. to suggest we have to extend them all these additional courtesies, something i think ash -- >> sean: you think it is naive by the administration? >> i think it was appropriate. they did the right thing to say we are going to make a good faith effort to bury him or put him to rest in a way that is appropriate. >> sean: isn't he one of the radical islamists you were

talking about? >> absolutely. you have to think about what is our strategic or tactical goal? we want to minimize others like him becoming inflamed against the united states. if we would have buried him in a way that inflamed them or was disrespectful or up appropriate that could have put our men and women and citizens in harm's way. >> sean: governor, great to see you. hopefully we'll be seeing you a lot. coming up, much more from greenville, south carolina the first of the gop presidential rhyme party bay. reaction from rick santorum, cain, johnson, juan williams and more. the president visits ground zero in the wake of bin laden's death. the great american panel is here. it is hannity on the road, straight ahead.

rights come from god the first life, the second liberty. those two concepts transform the world because it said government was going to be limited. allow people to be free. and to pursue their own deems to serve their god and family and community. what transformed the world in this united states of america, was a belief in family, a belief in life and the belief

of dignity of every person. if we abandon that we have given up on america. >> sean: welcome back to this special edition of hannity that was rick santorum, moments ago. joining me with his take on tonight's events is the pan himself was a pretty powerful answer if we abandon those issues, we give up on america itself. >> if you look at the phoning document of this country, declaration of independence it is what we are about. a country that was formed about keeping people free. you can have limited government and free people unless you have solid families and communities and faith that structure that allows people to continue to be free. if you don't have strong families, faith you have people who are not going to live good lives if i don't have that, you get bigger and

bigger government. the idea that we can focus on the economy and not worry about the culture. not worry about families being able to inculcate virtues into their children and having stable families and strong churches, you can't have limited government, smaller government. >> sean: i found your answer to what president obama has done right. you said the continuation of the bush policies. the decisions he made, you said have been wrong. and you mentioned, i think iran 18 months ago. >> all of this foreign policy successes of this president had been a continuation of the strategic decisions the bush administration made on gitmo, iran -- excuse me on iraq and afghanistan. with of course osama bin laden. what he did with bin laden was a tactical decision decision. the strategic decision was

made we were going after him. all was implement a strategy. on the issues that have come to him since he's been president where he has had to design the policy. where he's had to put american policy at stake he has gotten it wrong every time. deploying missiles in eastern europe. siding with the mullahs in iran. whether it was standing on the sideline and letting the mahmoud abdul-rauf not look like they are going to take control -- letting the muslim brotherhood look like think were going to take control of egypt. i can give a longer list. he's made the wrong call and he has decide we are going to support our enemies and try to embrace them. in every case that's what he did in these situation. and turn our back on our allies. our allies don't trust us and our enemies don't respect us. >> sean: all of the intelligence they received that led up to the killing of osama bin laden, enhanced

interrogation techniques, gitmo, black sites he called these things torture. our attorney general is investigating the people, the cia that got the information -- >> they were going to prosecute these people. >> sean: is anyone go to ask the president will you add me you are wrong and the president was asked at ground zero today he said to her no. >> he wasn't going to stop it? >> sean: he would not talk to holder about it. >> that tells you this president doesn't understand what it takes to defend america. his greatest foreign policy success was because of a president who understood what it takes to fight this terroristic threat. that you have to use the means to combat that. we are not in a conventional military battle where you can use conventional means. this president is making decisions like this one that

is not going to keep us safe in the future. >> sean: should americans concern themselves with the shifting positions about the events that happened that night? we were first told a firefight then no firefight. we are going to release the pictures, we are not. hiding behind his wife, not hiding behind his wife. in the "washington post" today they report, we are not going to talk about it any more. do the american people have a right to know what happened in this raid and a right to see those pictures? >> that raid was conned amazingly well by our military. since those helicopters took off it has been a disaster for the administration. once put back in their lap to manage the situation they've mismanaged it beyond belief. including dumping the body within 24 hours . if a muslim dies on the land, dumping him at sea is against muslim protocol any way. so they didn't even follow muslim protocol.

>> sean: do you think -- >> it didn't do what he wanted to accomplish. it made no sense. other than if there was something going on they didn't want people to see, which leads to all these conspiracy theories. >> sean: aren't we told that he doesn't represent islam. he represents radical islamic views. then why give him a proper burial? >> the reason he gave, we're not against islam. the bottom line is, with this -- what this president doesn't understand is we are at war with an ideology and we have to confront it. >> sean: great to see you. this is round one of what is going to be a long process. coming up, much more analysis of tonight's debate. live from greenville, south carolina. much more straight ahead. chris.

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