"fox & friends" starts right now. >> hello, everybody, welcome to "fox & friends" live from rockefeller center and eric bolling great to have you here. >> thanks for having me. >> we're finally hearing from the jurors now in the casey anthony case and now juror number 3, a 32-year-old nursing student by the name of lisa ford is speaking out on why the jury acquitted the mom of caylee anthony. let's take a listen to this compelling soundbite. >> there wasn't enough evidence, there wasn't anything strong enough to say exactly -- i don't think anyone in america could tell us exactly how she died. if you put even just the 12 jurors in one room with a piece of paper, write down how caylee died. nobody knows. we'd all be guessing. >> so it's cause of death that was a problem? >> how can you punish someone for something if you don't know what they did. they didn't even a paint a

picture for me to consider. there were quite a few people after we got back when the verdict was read, we were in tears. >> why were you crying after you handed down a not guilty verdict on murder? >> not guilty doesn't mean innocence. it doesn't mean innocent. >> how do you feel about that? that you may have let a woman who murdered her own daughter walk off that charge? >> it doesn't feel good. it was a horrible decision to have to make but i had to do it based on the law. >> based on the law, and she says the prosecution never proved how she died. caylee anthony. also, jennifer ford went on and said that in the very beginning, there were a lot of conflicting ideas in the jury room and in fact, on the first vote, the vote was 10-2, not guilty. on the first vote! she also says the father of casey anthony, george, she didn't believe him! >> did not help the state's

case. >> why? >> because he was clearly dishonest. and -- yes. >> how? >> well, he was evasive, number one. his story seemed to change depending on, like they said, initially he was on the defense's side. so he would fight with mr. ashton and not give straight answers but then he switched to the prosecution's side and now he won't give the defense straight answers. it's all what do you mean? and can you ask the question again? and, you know, it's like clearly you can follow a logical conversation and respond. like he acted like he just couldn't understand what was going on and it was -- it was clear to me that he was just being difficult. he didn't want to answer questions and it didn't help the prosecution's case, he was going to try to just -- i don't recall. >> probably just a little edgy because his own daughter accused him of child abuse. >> she said two things there. she said not guilty doesn't mean innocent. in this case, it did. i mean, there are three counts of not guilty. that means innocent of the charges and she was going to

walk. they had to know that and the other one, very important, they were sick to their stomachs, right? that's the test. almost everything you do, if you don't feel good in here doing it, it's usually the wrong thing to do. >> i think what she's saying is that she had to follow the law. and the way in which they were interpreting the law, they could never get to the fact that there was actually a murder. keep in mind that the defense's opening statement said this is an accident. they never had to come back and give any evidence to that which is bizarre in the way our court system works. it really stuck in the jurors' mind. >> there are murder cases and people on death row with no body. or even if there is in fact a murder but people are on death row for that. >> at the end of the day, what this particular juror went on to say, she said that, you know, and prosecution didn't prove that caylee was murdered. this woman right here, jennifer ford told terry moran that she felt that caylee anthony died

from an accident so she bought the story that apparently she drowned and then george took the body a month later, put it in the swamp, stuff like that. >> the most compelling point is put duct tape on the mouth. the most compelling point to me in the closing argument of the prosecution was never before have they heard of a case where it's an accident and you turn it into a murder! in other words, the baby drowns and then you put tape on the face and deposit it in the swamp? that to me was the most compelling thing the prosecution ever said. >> don't forget, to believe that and to find her not guilty, casey anthony on all those charges, you had to believe at the last minute, this story is true. after three years of saying someone took caylee, we don't know where she was. we had nothing to do with the death. and then at the last minute when the jury trial started six weeks ago, by the way, george anthony helped bury a body that died in the swimming pool by accident. >> sure. very interesting that on the first vote, the vote was to acquit her 10-2.

also, we should point out that there's another juror out there, i believe it's juror number 6 according to tmz, he's through a p.r. agency out of raleigh around to a number of news organizations. he will tell his story for a sum in the mid five figures. a little later on, three hours from right now, there will be a sentencing of casey anthony down in that courtroom. same judge. she was convicted on four counts of lying to the cops. she could go free. then again she might have to stay in jail for another year. >> in the meantime, do you remember marsha clark? she was the prosecutor in the o.j. simpson case in 1996. she gave an interview yesterday which is also very compelling and her final summation was that the casey anthony verdict is worse than o.j. being acquitted. here's what she says. in every case a defense attorney will do his or her best to give the jury a reason to doubt.

they don't necessarily equate with a reasonable doubt. a reason does not equal reasonable. sometimes that distinction can get lost. >> right, exactly. and the backdrop, so different than o.j. because with o.j., you had racial overtones. you had the fact that he was a celebrity and then she goes on to write, marcia clark in "the daily beast" there were no bombshells that blew up in the prosecution's face like the mark fuhrman thing at the last minute and also all the collection questions about how stuff against o.j. was collected. it just seems like that this jury needed absolute certitude to convict her of anything. they had a whole list of things they could have convicted her. they wanted evidence. reasonable doubt became absolute certitude they didn't get that. they went with not guilty. not guilty. not guilty. >> we'll be talking with the prosecutor in that kcase, he'll

be joining "fox & friends" at 6:50 a.m. eastern time. keep in mind that he submitted his resignation before the verdict came in. >> yep. >> in the meantime, cassy anthony is revealing some jailhouse letters that are very interesting because she apparently writing to another inmate saying she wants more children. she said to this inmate maybe we could plan the pregnancies at the same time. she wants to do a book deal, a combination of speaking about god, parenting and a memoir put into one. most interesting thing to me is she wants to change her name. that might be a good idea. >> yeah, and in fact, when she was writing to robin adams between 2008 and 2009 apparently there are 250 pages that were presented as evidence by the prosecution in this so we're looking back at some of the evidence. what she said was she wrote to robin, i had a dream not too long ago that i was pregnant. it was like having cays all over

again. i thought about adopting which even sounds weird to me saying it but there are so many children that deserve to be loved. let's make a deal. let's get pregnant together. if it's really possible to plan it. as for the name change, obviously, going forward, it will be helpful to her if she did change her name. casey anthony very famous. she asked robin, take the keys away from the car, ma. she asked robin for suggestions. >> probably should change my name. got any ideas? >> that might be one of her easier things that she could get done. rest of the headlines. one marine died, five others hurt after their helicopter crashed at camp pendleton, california during a practice exercise, marine corps has not said how badly the injured marines were hurt. they were taken to local hospitals and we don't know the identity of the marines who died. the helicopter was a super huey part of the third marine air wing. warner for visitors to yellowstone national park after

a gruesome attack, a grizzly bear killed a man while his wife watched unable to stop what was happening. >> some other hikers on the trail heard the woman's cries for help and they called 911 which summoned the rangers. >> park officials say the bear likely felt threatened by the couple and was likely trying to protect its cubs. this was the third deadly attack in just over a year. airlines being warned now by the government that terrorists may be planning to surgically implant bombs inside their bodies to evade security. as a result, travelers may find themselves subjected to more scrutiny flying this summer. right now, the body scanners used by the tsa are reportedly not strong enough to detect objects inside the body. i thought that's what they were for. experts say embedding the bombs in the body is not a new tactic. recent research shows a fresh interest in using that method. republicans reportedly ready to talk about a debt deal now with the white house.

this morning, president obama is going to meet with congressional leaders on both sides to work towards raising the debt ceiling. during his twitter town hall, the president said congress shouldn't toy with the limit. >> the debt ceiling should not be something that is used as a gun against the heads of the american people to extract tax breaks for corporate jet owners. >> the president wants to reduce the deficit with tax subsidies and closing loopholes but republicans have opposed measures that would raise taxes. the u.s. faces an august 2nd deadline, folks, right around the corner when we could talk. cleanup time in phoenix, the city is covered in dirt after that 100 mile wide dust cloud engulfed the city. cleanup and repair expected to cost thousands of dollars. many residents don't have electricity after the storm knocked down many power lines. take a look at this video. this is a time lapse of the storm as it descended on the city. that's amazing video.

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>> as we wait to see if casey anthony walks away from sentencing a free woman, there are concerns about her safety because of all the outrage over the not guilty verdict similar to another famous case. >> orenthall james simpson not guilty to the charge of murder. >> as to the charge of first degree murder, we find the defendant not guilty. >> our next guest was a jury and trial consultant for both the casey anthony and the o.j. simpson trials, richard gabrielle joins us from phoenix. sir, tell us about it. tell us the similarities between the two. obviously one was a celebrity and one wasn't. give us a sense of what you were seeing when you were looking at the jury for both. >> well, let me tell you, the similarities is obviously both cases gripped this nation. both touched a number of emotional nerves in a lot of people. and as a result, america became so heavily invested in those cases. both had immense pretrial publicity.

quite frankly, most people concluded that both of those defendants were guilty before the trial and, of course, both verdicts came out with a very unpopular verdict because the jury in both of those cases said we don't have the evidence that we need to actually convict these defendants and i think what you see in both of these cases is that there's a huge difference between those of us who sit in our living rooms and watch these cases, we can speculate, we can find all kinds of things to come to the conclusion that we -- we think they probably did it but a jury in the jury box sitting in the courtroom every day is charged with a higher duty which is beyond a reasonable doubt to make the prosecution convince the case. >> as a consultant, when you were looking at that jury, did you see this coming at all where there were acquittals on all three or four of the major charges. did you see that happening? >> i did see it happening. and the fact is we did a focus group before this case, before

the case started. and that focus group came to the same conclusion. we were quite frankly surprised because of all this prejudicial stuff we thought people would sort of automatically conclude that she was guilty so with both of those cases, we saw this interesting phenomena which they just couldn't find enough there to really get to that really strong overcome the burden of proof. >> right. so another interesting phenomena that you point out, attractive defendant. scott peterson, casey anthony, o.j. simpson are more likely to be cleared by jurors. please explain. >> well, scott peterson was not cleared by a jury. he was convicted and also sentenced to death. so it really depends on the defendant and how it fits in the case. in the scott peterson case, he was accused of wanting to get rid of his wife because he wanted a philandering lifestyle. i felt in this case, an attractive casey anthony would actually favor the prosecution. although the research does show that, you know, for the most part, jurors will give some credibility to more attractive

defendants in this particular case when it reinforces the theory and the theme of the prosecution that she wanted a freer lifestyle, it actually went against the defense. we were concerned about that going forward. >> you had a bird's eye view and interesting perspective on both the o.j. simpson trial and the casey anthony trial. thank you very much, sir. and by the way, coming up, we're going to speak to prosecutor jeff ashton in just about 30 minutes or so. dick morris, famous for taking down political opponents, so he wanted to know, has he ever seen -- we wanted to know, has he ever seen anything like this? media matters and george soros using taxpayer money to attack fox news. dick morris is up next. then who said our borders were more secure than ever? that's an illegal immigrant heading for freedom right there. ♪

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>> 22 minutes after the top of the hour if you're just getting up, a couple of quick headlines for you. heat is on, attorney general eric holder is accused of blocking the congressional investigation into the controversial fast and furious gun tracking program. ken melton, the acting director of the atf says other agencies were heavily involved in the sting operation that allowed guns into the hands of mexican drug cartels and that holder has tried to muzzle his testimony. an appeals court rules the ban on gays in the military must end immediately. the pentagon is well on its way to doing that anyway. activists say the ruling will

force the charges until the process is complete. let's head over to steve. >> thank you very much, gretch. our next guest is credited with successful political campaigns against both republicans and democrats but has he ever seen anything like media matters waging war against fox news and our parent company newscorp? fox news contributor and author of "revolt" dick morris joins us from connecticut. good morning to you, dick. >> i've seen it, steve, but not in the united states. in argentina, the kirshna government, the government has gone after a news organization in the form of communist countries, you see it all the time but the spectacle of an organization that is tax exempt, using its money largely donated by soros and a few left wingers to try to discredit not an individual, not a party, not a point of view but an entire news network is unique for the united states. >> what's unique about it is, you know, they're trying to take

down a corporation that is, you know, what we're doing here is exercising our first amendment rights. >> a big part of it is how well you're doing it. i did a survey and i asked people who are voters whether they watch fox news or not and i found that 67% of republicans watch fox news several times a week or more. that you knew. but 54% of independents watched it several times a week or more. and 21% of democrats watched it several times a week or more. so there really is an effort here to try to demonize a source of information. and, you know, you guys don't make this stuff up. the stuff you're reporting is stuff that's happening. you know, pugh research did a study during the last campaign that as far as i'm concerned is definitive. they looked at the fox news stuff. not like we're doing now which

is opinion. but the news part. the 6:00 and 7:00 news broadcast. and they did the number of seconds that were devoted to positive and negative coverage of each candidate. and the only network that came close to parody between positive and negative on obama and on mccain was fox news. the others were skewed four and five to 1 negative on mccain and positive on obama. >> speaking of skewed, dick, take a look at this. you know, david brock, the founder of media matters has said he's waging a war on fox news and you look at the number of stories they -- and posts they've done about fox news since january of this year, 2600 and just a handful from the other -- about the other networks. clearly, that is their business plan, to try to take us down as they have a tax exemption from federal government. >> it's backfiring, steve,

because all of their watchers drive up our ratings because they have thousands of people who have they hire apparently just to watch us. but seriously, the point is that o'reilly is reaching over five million people a day. >> driving them nuts. >> and it's driving them insane. they don't have far to go, by the way. >> you're right about the insane part. all right, dick morris joining us live from connecticut. thank you, sir. next up on the rundown, we'll take you live to orlando. today, 2 1/2 hours from right now, casey anthony could be a free woman. she's going to be sentenced. plus could the prosecutor caught laughing in court have swayed the jury's decision? that prosecutor jeff ashton here live next half-hour and educators fessed up to changing students' grades to put money in their own pockets so why the heck would they not be prosecuted? and happy birthday to the

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>> vice president joe biden has

a new twitter account. he said he will not rest until he can embarrass the president in every media platform ever invented. >> all right, president obama got a surprise question at his twitter town hall yesterday. our next question comes from someone you may know. this is speaker boehner. >> well, there you go. >> after embarking on a record spending binge that left us deeper in debt, where are the jobs? and then on a note that these characters are his fault. aanot his fault. >> john needs to work on his typing skills. well, look, the -- obviously, john is the speaker of the house. he's a republican. and so this is a slightly skewed question. >> skewed question. as it turns out, when the tweet

left the speaker's office, there were no typos, it apparently was on the receiving end. but after laughing it off, the president actually answered and blamed president bush. >> we have not seen fast enough job growth relative to the need. i mean, we lost, as i said, four million jobs before i took office. before i was sworn in. about four million jobs were lost in the few months right after i took office before our economic policies had a chance to take any effect. and over the last 15 months, we've actually seen two million jobs created in the private sector. >> so stuart varney is here to weigh in on that. is he telling the truth? >> the truth? that's an elusive idea, is it not? you blame president bush because your administration hasn't

created the number of jobs that you're expecting to create and give us a vigorous recovery. let me go back a few years but i can nowadays. if you get back to 1980-1981, in came president reagan facing a very nasty recession. what does he do? he stimulates the private sector of the economy and boom, you've got an economic boom that creates millions and millions of jobs and replaces all of those jobs that were lost on jimmy carter. in comes president obama and he creates a government program. government spending to get the economy turned around. and it flat out doesn't work. >> absolutely. so while speaker boehner sent that tweet to the president, turns out the afl-cio sent exactly the same question to the president because they -- his political allies wants to know where are the jobs? >> afl-cio, the man who runs it is richard trumpka and said precisely the same thing, same question. where are the jobs? that sounds like a republican but this is big labor.

>> here are the votes. where are the jobs? >> here's the money. here's the money for the next election campaign so where are the jobs? i think mr. trumka wants infrastructure investments, a whole lot more government spending on roads, bridges and tunnels. union jobs. and i think he wants us to bail out the states who are about to fire a whole bunch of unionized teachers and other government workers. >> we should point out that if you watch that twitter town hall, these questions were prescreened. there were groups, they were looked at and the ones they chose to send through actually got through. >> that wasn't a genuine town hall. a genuine town hall is a give and take face to face. not -- >> prescreen the audience. >> something that is genuine is the fact that it's your birthday today. so happy birthday, stu varney! >> wow! >> i'll see you later on your show on the fox business network. >> yes, you will. >> 9:20 eastern. thanks very much. >> thank you.

>> just hours from now, casey anthony could be a free woman. the 25-year-old is set to be sentenced today. >> patrick is live outside the orange county jail where she is housed this morning. good morning to you, patrick. >> good morning, yeah. casey marie anthony could be waking up here at the orange county jail for the very last time. she faces judge perry once again at the orange county courthouse later on this morning at 9:00 for her sentencing hearing. she has been found guilty of lying to investigators. those are four misdemeanor counts which can take up to a year in prison for each count. that judge could sentence her concurrently or consecutively. we'll have to wait and see. for now, we are live outside the orange county jail, i'm patrick pegese, back to you in the studio. >> thank you very much. you'll see the sentencing right here on the fox newschannel about 2 1/2 hours from now when we got the prosecutor coming up shortly. >> in 10 minutes, prosecutor jeff ashton who took a lot of heat for his demeanor in court will be here live. >> now for other stories making headlines on this thursday morning. right now, texas governor rick

perry defying calls from the white house to stop the execution of a convicted killer. mexican national umberto garcia set to be executed tonight in texas for raping and murdering a teenage girl. president obama is asking the supreme court to stop it. he says garcia's rights were violated because the vienna conventions require four nationals to be able to contact their consulates when arrested in another country. >> the search for seven missing u.s. tourists now being extended beyond the standard 96 hours. the families of those fishermen hanging on to hope they might be found alive. >> we still have hope that they're alive and that they can be found and they can be returned to them safely. >> i know enough motivation that if he's out there and he's alive, he's fighting. >> the fishermen vanished sunday when their boat capsized off the coast of baja, california. one man was found dead.

>> and a follow-up to that stunning cheating scandal in atlanta. several of the educators who fessed up to changing students' grades to put money in their pockets may never be prosecuted according to local courts, they were offered immunity for spilling the beans but will they lose their jobs, certification and pensions? how did 178 public schoolteachers and principals get away with inflating grades for so long? ahead on "fox & friends", we'll ask the state superintendent live. >> fourth of july celebration turns into a near riot when a mob turns on firefighters and cops shooting off fireworks at them. it all went down in peoria, illinois, the first responders got a call a dumpster was on fire. when they arrived on the scene, they were attacked with commercial grade fireworks. they even pelted them with bottles and rocks. several officers were burned. but are expected to be just fine. what numskulls would do that? >> those ones. all right. straight ahead, who said our borders were more secure than

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nabbed him. and cnn has pulled the plug on former new york governor elliot spitzer's show. he was trying to parlay his prostitution scandal into a tv career. but he was getting crushed in the ratings. spitzer's show lasted nine months, about five months longer than his governorship. steve? >> thanks, eric. members of congress being told to leave their talking points at the door when they meet with the president later on today to talk about the debt ceiling limit. but it doesn't sound like he's taking his own advice on talking points, does it? >> the debt ceiling should not be something that is used as a gun against the heads of the american people to extract tax breaks for corporate jet owners or oil and gas companies that are making billions of dollars because the price of gasoline has gone up so high. >> there's that corporate jet owner thing again. so will anything productive

really come out of today's meeting? we hope so. for a fair and balanced debate, we're joined by fox news contributor juan williams, and columnist and fox news contributor andrea tantaros. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> do you think they're going to check their talking points at the door, juan, or are republicans going to continue to say no tax hikes and the democrats are going to have to stay -- you know, we're going to do everything and hike taxes as well? >> you know, i mean, the whole equation has changed this morning because what we learned is, apparently, speaker boehner and president obama were having secret meetings over at the white house -- over the weekend, i should say, at the white house, and they're now talking about more than $2 trillion in cuts and they're talking about going after major entitlement spending, medicare, medicaid but alternatives, and this is the big news, social security. so it looks to me like the president is really open to whatever is possible in terms of making a bigger, more impactful

deal. and now i think that increases pressure on republicans to similarly step up to the table on tax cuts. >> well, andrea, there are some stories out there this morning, now they're talking about maybe $4 trillion in cuts over the next 10 years but juan is absolutely right. there's a story being floated that the president is willing to talk about social security and a number of democrats are horrified. what's he talking about? apparently, it's just a gimmick so that the president can say, i was willing to do that but the republicans weren't willing to cut tax? >> yeah, a lot of people are speculating it's a debating and negotiating tool that he can come out and say, i came to the table but republicans were, you know, still stuck on these tax increases. you know, if he was going to talk about social security, he's going to have a hard time convincing senator harry reid. remember? he doesn't think there's anything wrong with social security. so look, i do think it's big headlines that the president is willing to look at entitlements but here's what scares me, steve. the fact that they are doing this up against the wall racing to reform, medicare, social

security, medicaid and cut all this money. i mean, if you want to do entitlements, let's do it right and let's not rush it but i am hopeful that this is just more than spin and it's just more than a smoke screen by the president. i mean, if he really wants to reform entitlements, that will -- that will be a very, very big, big headline. >> that would be big. all right, juan, a rebuttal? >> well, you know, i think the key thing here is to understand that i think the president is in a stronger position than the republicans in this. if you look at the numbers, people are fed up with big government spending. but at the same time, they don't and this echos andrea's point, they don't want to have entitlement spending done at your head level. you have to take time to do it and here you have a situation where republicans are insisting that you can't have any kind of tax hike for the richest in the country that there shouldn't be shared sacrifice. i think the american people say, you know what? if the republicans blow up the economy and spend the inflation skyrocketing they're the ones that will be blamed, not president obama. >> you think a lot of americans

would say we probably sacrificed enough. we'll have to end it right there. thank you very much. coming up one hour from right now, congressman eric cantor will be joining us live to talk about what they're going to talk about with the president. meanwhile, your favorite canceled soap opera is getting another shot. yep, the network is ready to make a deal. details at the top of the hour. oh, boy. and could the prosecutor caught laughing during casey anthony's trial have swayed the jury's decision? prosecutor jeff ashton will join us live next.

>> in just two hours, casey anthony will learn if she will be a free woman. the not guilty verdict stunning

and outraging a lot of people and a lot of that anger is being directed at the jury. juror number 3 has now spoken out about their decision. >> there wasn't enough evidence, there wasn't anything strong enough to say exactly, i don't think anyone in america could tell us exactly how she died. if you put even just the 12 jurors in one room with a piece of paper, write down how caylee died. nobody knows. we'd all be guessing. >> so it's cause of death that was a problem? >> how can you punish someone for something if you don't know what they did? >> lead prosecutor in the case, jeff ashton is my guest right now. good to see you. >> good to be here. >> i know it's been a whirlwind for you since the verdict came down but now we're starting to hear from the jurors. one thing is they couldn't get to murder. the evidence, according to them, did not get them to murder. did you ever think that in your wildest dreams? >> i didn't. and, you know, when we look at the photographs of how caylee was found and the evidence, you know, we saw something. obviously, the jurors didn't see

it and that's part of the jury system is they get to look at it the way they look at it. but i'd always said that if someone could look at the photographs of how she was found, the duct tape, where it was and i know most people didn't get to see it in an unblurred way which is good, you know, but, you know, it said something to me. and obviously, it didn't to them and that's the jury system. >> so the cause of death, obviously, you would have hoped that the coroner could have come to the stand. she did say it was homicide. but you hoped she could have been able to say suffocation. >> well, i mean, she was limited in what she could say medically and i understand and respect her and i wouldn't have wanted her to stretch beyond what the medicine would allow. clearly, she was correct. medically, you couldn't tell that the tape killed her because the tape wasn't on flesh, you know. but that doesn't mean that by putting the pieces together, you couldn't come to that conclusion. the jury didn't. >> one of the things the jury

had to do in this case is they really did have to put together a puzzle. they didn't have d.n.a. they didn't have an eyewitness. and the lead defense counsel, jose baez is being asked about whether or not you overcharged casey anthony in this case. here was his response. >> do you think they would have been more effective if they would have asked for a lesser charge. >> absolutely. >> what do you think they should have asked for? if you're the prosecutor, what should they have asked for? >> i'm not the prosecutor. >> you think you went too far? >> absolutely. >> that's ridiculous, the jury was given options of lesser offenses all the way down to manslaughter. so, you know, the jury had all the different options in front of them, you know, we -- if our theory of what happened is correct, then it was first-degree murder and we honestly believed that it was. to say that if we charged her with manslaughter, they might more likely have convicted her

is just not true. >> so it seemed like the judge allowed most of the things that you wanted to be admitted into court. was there any evidence that was compelling that didn't get into court? >> none -- none that should have gotten into court. i mean, there were -- there was plenty of hearsay, rumor, speculation, things of that sort that don't belong in a courtroom so every piece of admissible evidence that the jury should have heard, they were allowed to hear so no, there was nothing that i would say i wish we could have gotten in that we didn't. >> much has been made of your demeanor in court during closing arguments. after the judge had instructed the two of you to not have any sort of outbursts or reactions. i want to show the video right here that during jose baez's closing you were laughing and i'm wondering now if you feel that that impacted the jury at all. >> i don't think it did. i honestly don't think that what the lawyers do has that great an effect on the jurors.

obviously it didn't. none of them has mentioned it. it was a long trial. we were all very, very tired. i shouldn't have let my amusement at what mr. baez was doing show, i did. but no, that had nothing to do with the verdict in the case. >> i want to go through a list of things you may not have expected to have happened in this case. number one, that the defense in opening arguments would say that george anthony and lee anthony, the brother to casey, had sexually abused her. did you know that? did you have any idea of that before jose baez said it that day? >> yeah, we knew that. we had known that through some discovery in the case which was sealed from public view because of the nature of it. so we knew that. you know, we expected some of that -- him to say some of that in opening. we were surprised when none of it was actually proven in court. that did surprise us a little bit. we knew it was coming. >> it's interesting. that seemed to not be important to the jury at all because he

was not allowed to use it in his closing. number two, they didn't appear to believe george anthony and he was one of your star witnesses, right? >> yeah, i was actually -- it will be interesting to hear more from them about what they actually thought of him. i can't imagine that they thought he actually did anything involved in this case. you know, george anthony clearly was affected as anyone would be by being accused of, you know, disposing of his granddaughter's body the way it was disposed of. >> do you think he had anything to do with this case? >> no, i do not. i don't think anyone could read the -- particularly the suicide letter that he wrote and believe he had anything to do with this. >> all right. number 3, the things you may not have expected that the jury believed she was a good mother. >> yeah, that does surprise me based upon the conduct after the crime occurred. that does surprise me that they

would accept the snippets of things that people said and -- >> and not the 31 days where she went out and partied after the daughter was missing. >> yeah. >> of all the cases, is this the one that got away now that you're retiring? >> no, there's been others that we didn't get the verdict we wanted and it happens in 30-year career, you expect that sometimes. this was one of the more surprising ones, i will say that. but it happens. >> jeff ashton, the lead prosecutor in the casey anthony case, thanks so much for joining us on "fox & friends." >> thank you very much. >> as for casey anthony herself, from tv interviews to book deals and more, she's set to make millions possibly once she's set free. but can she really cash in? a man who knows the law inside and out here with insight. then a new name but the same old game. a group of ties to acorn, yeah, remember acorn during the election? still getting taxpayer money. we'll report and you can decide. almost tastes like one of jack's als.

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>> good morning, everyone. hope you're going to have a great thursday. it's july 7th. i'm gretchen carlson. thanks so much for sharing your time. her daughter is dead and casey anthony may walk free today. but jurors standing by their decision. >> i'm honestly just fine because i had -- in this country, that's our constitution. i applied the law. i did the best i could. >> plus will casey now cash in on millions once she's set free? >> and republicans and democrats prepare for an oval office showdown. which party will be the first to budge, blink first and will your tax rates go up? we'll ask one of the key players live this hour. steve? >> and they're back! and guess what, they're still taking our money. despite the undercover controversy that landed acorn in hot water, they're still

receiving a lot of taxpayer dollars from the federal government. how is that possible? we'll tell you, hour two of "fox & friends" for a thursday starts right now. >> welcome, everyone, to thursday. brian is enjoying a couple of days off and eric bolling from the fox business network and soon to be the new 5:00 show. >> wow. >> that's going to be great. >> now did they call it 5 because there are five of you or because it's on at 5:00? >> yes. >> ok, thank you. >> that's a double answer. it works for both questions. thanks for being here, eric, let's get to your headlines and fox news alert. the roof of a soccer stadium in the netherlands has collapsed and there are people trapped now under the rubble. these picture into our newsroom. the stadium was undergoing a renovation when part of the roof caved in. it's not known how many people are hurt. we'll keep following that one for you this morning. another developing story

overnight. one marine has died and five others hurt after their helicopter crashed at camp pendleton, california, during a practice exercise. the marine corps has not said how badly the injured marines are hurt. they were all taken, though, to local hospitals. we also do not know the identity of the marine who died. the helicopter was a super huey, part of the third marine aircraft wing. dsk says no deal. dominique strauss-khan, the former head of the international monetary fund accused of assaulting a maid refused to cop a plea. they are rejecting requests for the maid's lawyer to step aside and let a special prosecutor take over the case. they say the district attorney's office has unfairly branded her a liar. cleanup time in phoenix because the city was covered in dirt. cleanup and repair is expected to cost thousands of dollars and many residents still have no

electricity after the storm knocked down so many power lines. take a look at this amazing video, a time lapse of the storm as it descended on the city. visibility dropped to zero in some areas when that dust cloud hit. canceled soap operas "all my children" and "one life to live." say it isn't so. may live on after all on line. abc is scrubbing the soaps in september but "the new york post" reports the network just sold the rights to the shows. the buyer, an entertainment company called prospect park. that company is starting an on-line network promising to pick up the dramas right where they leave off. and those are your headlines. >> let's see if they bring back the secret storm. all right. it was kind of -- listen -- >> what? that's a story line i missed. >> the secret storm was a soap opera back in the day. >> oh, oh! >> like grandma watching it. it was like a soap opera, what went down over the last month or

so in a courtroom in orlando, florida. of course, casey anthony found not guilty in the death of her daughter. earlier, gretch was just talking to the prosecutor and we're going to hear from him in just a moment but really to figure out why the jury voted that way, you got to talk to the jurors and a juror by the name of jennifer ford said that really came down to there was not enough evidence to prove how caylee died. so many of you saw it on television and said there was plenty. i saw it. will she be able to sleep ok at night with that decision? she says yes. >> i'm honestly just fine because i had -- in this country, that's our constitution. i applied the law. i did the best i could. i tried to make it work. i was reaching, i was trying to, you know, like i said, if they're all three there and no medical attention is given, then that's -- that's what's it,

culpable negligence. failure to provide safety and medical care and things like that. i was trying to go for that. but there's just not enough. it's just stretching and reaching and there's just not quite enough to get there. >> so the prosecution's case was that, hey, they took chloroform. they knocked out the kid. she put duct tape over her mouth, she suffocated, she put her in a bag and they put her in the swamp. that's what they wanted the jury to believe but this juror says that the duct tape, you know, was not physically still on the mouth because of decomposition and there was no d.n.a. they just couldn't even get to murder. >> deny and get rid of it. you don't look about it, don't think about it, it doesn't exist. >> covering up a murder, that's what the prosecution said. >> they're covering up something. it's not proven that it's a murder. they're covering up something, either an accident. nobody knows what it is. >> i'm going to press you on this. >> go for it. >> duct tape on a baby in a bag rotting in the woods. most people look at that and

they put two and two together and say that's a murder. >> well, in our country, unfortunately, we have to prove it. we can't just be like yeah, that really looks bad. smells bad, looks bad. i get that, i do. but it's someone else's life and if i'm wrong and i kill someone else, i can't live with that. >> and the point is she didn't need to go to the death penalty. didn't have to be first degree murder, premeditated with the death penalty. it could have been second degree murder. it could have been manslaughter. she went for, this juror was waiting for absolute certitude there was a murder and that casey anthony did it. i mean, it's so crazy she couldn't make that leap and 31 days before reporting it, partying, going to hot body contests, tattooing "the good life" in between before you mention your daughter is missing. geez! >> plus that particular juror bought the defense suggestion that caylee anthony died in an accident of some sort. despite the -- despite the duct tape which gretch, you talked to

jeff ashton about a minute ago. >> i'd always said that if someone could look at the photographs of how she was found, the duct tape, where it was and i know most people didn't get to see it in an unblurred way which is good, you know, but, you know, it said something to me. and obviously, it didn't to them and that's the jury system. medically, you couldn't tell that the tape killed her because the tape wasn't on flesh and, you know. but that doesn't mean that by putting the pieces together, you couldn't come to that conclusion. the jury didn't. >> important point that we should say about that one particular juror that we've been hearing from is that she said she felt sick to her stomach and that the jury was crying after the verdict came in because -- just because they found casey anthony not guilty did not believe -- they did not believe she was innocent. they just believed that the prosecution never proved murder. so it's an important clarification. >> but there is no gray area. it's guilty or not guilty and in

this case, not guilty equals innocent. >> well, it -- >> right. meanwhile, part of the story is that she did not notify authorities and tell anybody that her daughter was missing for, what, a month. now, there's a state representative by the name of bill hagger, a republican from boca, he's introducing a bill calling it caylee's bill that would make it a felony for a parent or guardian to fail to report a missing child in a timely manner. here's what he said. what we witnessed in the case of caylee anthony was truly tragic. placing a law on the books to require parents or guardians to report children in significant danger in a timely manner will ensure that parents are held accountable for their actions. >> hard to believe that wasn't already on the books. hard to believe that this case is now what's prompting lawmakers to think about that. >> yeah, more on this a little later on.

meanwhile this morning, president obama is going to meet with congressional leaders, the people who work in that building to work out a deal on the debt ceiling. eric? >> mr. peter doocy is live in d.c. with the details. give it to us. this stuff is breaking by the minute, is it not, peter? >> it is, eric and later on today, the president is going to suggest a $4 trillion deficit reduction over the next 10 to 12 years. instead, it's a $2 to $2 1/2 trillion he had been floating before. to get the g.o.p. on board, social security and medicare reform are going to be discussed and the administration admits that some of these cuts are going to hurt. >> we need to look at entitlements and we have to say how do we protect and preserve medicare and social security for not just this generation but also future generations and that's going to require some modifications even as we maintain its basic structure. so what i'm hoping to see over the next couple of weeks is people put their dogmas aside, their sacred cows aside.

>> today's white house meeting is going to have the president, vice president, speaker boehner, senate leaders from both parties, reid and mcconnell, house speakers from both sides, pelosi and cantor and the senate whips from both side, durbin and kyle. senator kyle says republicans have agreed to up to $200 billion in new revenue and leader cantor says that republicans mostly want to prevent new taxes despite what the president has said about their support of corporate tax loopholes. >> we're for simplification. and frankly, you know, those loopholes, they account for about $3 billion in savings over 10 years when what we're trying to do is accomplish over $2 trillion in savings. again, it shows you the president is just off the mark here and i'm hopeful that when we go into those discussions at the white house tomorrow, we can actually get some work done finally and deliver on the results. >> so if a deal is going to be made, republicans might need to

let some tax breaks for the wealthy expire next year but democrats are going to need to give up some ground on government benefits and it looks like some of that might be happening but we'll see more so stay tuned. >> all right. peter doocy, thanks very much for the report. >> drama. >> coming up later this hour, we'll talk with congressman eric cantor about today's meetings. he'll be one of those in attendance. >> that's going to be great. i want to hear what he has to say. >> no kidding. bringing it? >> remember this back in 2009, the president of the united states authorized the defunding of acorn after that embarrassment, that hidden camera stuff that showed a lot of shady stuff is going on there. under the funding deal, acorn is not supposed to receive any federal money and yet, it has been discovered that they are getting dough from uncle sam. >> say it isn't so. i guess some people would say after they thought there was a lot of corruption going on in 2008 but there's the check. $79,819 in a grant to the acorn housing group. it's an offshoot of acorn called affordable housing centers of

america so maybe that's how they can disguise it a little bit better. >> we need to point out, acorn was defunded by congress because of several scandals. not just -- not just the undercover thing where there was a 2008 voter fraud scandal and there was a 2009 embezzlement scandal by the founder's brother so they had a long history. look, congress defunded them. now, there's -- by the way, should we call them b corn now and continue to pay? we're broke, we need to stop doing things like this. >> right and the gao came out with an opinion last year that said they considered this offshoot completely separate even though it's the same people in the same places now getting the same kind of money. >> we'll let you ruminate on this story as we tell you what's coming up. should casey anthony be able to turn her pariah status into big profit? next a man who knows the law inside and out. he's trying to stop scott peterson from making money off his dead wife. >> just when you thought the tsa was too involved in your business, airport security may be getting more personal.

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>> from murder to millions? the not guilty verdict in the casey anthony trial may now allow the 25-year-old to become a millionaire overnight. there are reports she'll get big bucks for a book deal, tv interviews and much more. joining me now from sacramento, california, is attorney adam stewart. he is the lawyer for lacy peterson's mother, sharon roca. he helped prevent convicted killer scott peterson from profitting off his heinous

crime. good to see you, mr. stewart. >> good morning, gretchen. >> i guess the big difference between the scott peterson case and casey anthony is that scott peterson cannot profit because he was actually convicted? >> that's a huge difference, yes, absolutely. scott was convicted first-degree murder with special circumstances. the law in california allows us to go after any potential profits up to 10 years after he were to be paroled or released so we certainly have plenty of time. we tried to put procedures in place to prevent that before conviction but at the trial court level, a judge was not -- not in agreement. >> so in this case with casey anthony now that she's been found not guilty at least of murder or manslaughter, she will be able to profit because some of these deals coming out now are saying even a million bucks to get her interviewed. >> it's completely insane. yeah, she's been acquitted of the charges, if in fact she

walked in tomorrow and said i did it, i was responsible for the death of my daughter, she can't be charged again or tried again and she can go out as we would all expect in her certain financial circumstances, she's going to sign some very lucrative deals for movies, for books, media rights, memorabilia, anything that she would like and she's not going to be able to find an ordinary job where she can go out there and work in mainstream society. >> let's take a look at one of her jailhouse letters. this is where she divulges maybe some of what she hopes to do. she describes this. a partial memoir, comedy, relationship advice book for those not in the know. it's a way to settle many rumors and to share my insight about love, life and most important, god. i don't know. it's kind of macabre, i guess people would buy that? >> there's certainly an overwhelming interest in that type of material whether it was in florida or out here in california, people would want to

hear one thing, what she has to say. we weren't provided that opportunity at the trial so if she's going to put it in a book, she certainly is wanting to be paid for that. >> ok, so real quickly before you go, if there was a wrongful death suit filed against her, i'm not sure by whom, and that case was won, would those people then be entitled to the profits that she might make? >> excellent point, gretchen. exactly what happened in the o.j. simpson case. acquitted on murder charges. civil judgment in the civil case by the goldman family. they have been able over the years to capture profits and proceeds from all sorts of endeavors that mr. simpson has engaged in. >> it's my understanding they haven't gotten that much of the $33 million that they might have been owed. adam stewart, very interesting topic. thanks so much for joining us from california. >> thank you very much, gretchen. >> the mainstream media hyped those missing e-mails from governor sarah palin's file. remember?

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>> here is your shot of the morning. "twilight" actor taylor lawsuiter in having a little fun with the nfl lockout in a new take on the classic movie "field of dreams." >> if you build it, they will come. >> build what, who will come? >> the voices didn't say. any time, you know you're welcome here. are you a ghost? >> i had to walk two miles

through a cornfield. let's play some football! >> wait. >> kevin costner and ray liota from the original "field of dreams" make appearances in the funnyordie.com video. >> in some of the background, you can see some mountains. i don't remember those mountains being in iowa. >> i don't either having grown up in minnesota where everything was pretty flat except the corn. that's pretty funny. let's tell you about the other stories making headlines right now because governor rick perry defying calls from the white house to stop the execution of a convicted killer in his state, texas. mexican national humberto garcia expected to be put to death for killing and raping a teenager. but president obama is asking for a supreme court to stop it. he says his rights were violated because the vienna convention allows foreign nationals to be able to contact their consulates when arrested in another country. >> a warning to visitors at

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them so they won't hurt too much. then he's gone." dugard and her two daughters were finally rescued and reunited with dugard's mother. >> much anticipated last batch of sarah palin's e-mails have finally been released. what do they actually reveal about the former alaska governor? absolutely nothing, nada. you remember several news organizations demanded seeing the e-mails after they were left out of an earlier release. sarah palin is a fox news contributor. >> this kitten was thrown out of a moving car and it survived. it happened on the very busy verrazano bridge in new york city. an animal control officer happened to be driving by when he saw a hand tossing a cat out the window. now the kitten is healing at an animal shelter where it will be put up for adoption. >> and thousands of new laws are signed on to the books every

single year. now, a recent report claims it's costing us more than ever according to the small business administration, federal regulation, get this, costs us $1.75 trillion per year. that would be nice to say. >> a lot of money. >> how can we cut down on government overregulation? two guys who have been around washington for a long time have an answer. >> former democratic senator evan bayh and former white house chief of staff andy card is trying to raise aware not. andy card has taken a new position with the bush center. >> i'm actually at texas a&m and the bush school for the first president bush. >> gotcha. >> thank you for the clarification. my apologies for that mistake. >> thank you. >> let's get to what appears to be a bipartisan effort by the two of you which is coming together to stop some of this overregulation. let me start with you, senator. you believe that the overregulation has stunted the

growth of the economy. correct? >> well, there's no question when you talk to small businessmen and women that the cost of complying with so many different regulations is one of the things that's holding back job creation and so, look, there's a role for reasonable regulation. we all know that. but at this moment in time, when the economy is struggling and in particularly when we have foreign competitors, we need to make sure it doesn't go too far. yes, it plays a role in holding back the economy. >> indeed. andy, i was reading a release from the u.s. chamber of commerce, they say that since this president has taken office, regulations have been implemented at a rate of about 50% higher than his predecessor who was a guy you worked for as well. but, you know, i've heard him talk about -- the president talk about how important it is to get regulation under control. is this an administration that might talk the talk but doesn't walk the walk? >> well, we've talked about taking a look at old regulations to see which ones may be

outdated. but they -- they exempted taking a look at all the regulations that are in the pipeline that are coming on line and we have more regulations coming on line than in the history of our country between health care regulations, financial service regulations, e.p.a. regulations, labor regulations, really the burden -- the overhang burden on the economy right now of uncertainty over regulations is almost as bad as the regulations themselves. >> senator, the republicans today or late last night released a statement saying they would be willing to raise fees and royalties and use that as their part towards, i guess, reducing the debt. what do you think that? doesn't that just add to the number that we just pointed out, $1.75 trillion. won't that number just keep going north if they do, in fact, do that? >> well, it can to be sure. some fees and other expenses are just the same as a tax and can be passed on to consumers or stunt job growth. others aren't quite as onerous. it depends on what they're talking about. clearly, the focus needs to be on spending reductions, spending

restraint. a little bit like they're doing in the u.k. where they've got a tremendous deficit they're coming to grips with. there, they've decided the right mix is about 75% spending cuts and the rest on revenues so to answer your question directly, though, sure, of course there can be a burden on the economy. that's why you need to look at spending first. >> let's look at some of the numbers. we all know that you have to have some regulations. if you look at the numbers from 2008 to 2010 alone, here's what regulation apparently cost our economy. $10.5 billion in 2008. $12 billion in 2009. $26.5 billion in 2010. how did we get that high? >> i'll tell you, it's unbelievable how many regulations are coming on line, too, because those costs are only going to go up for the small business. right now, fewer small business are employing fewer than 20 people, it's estimated that the cost of regulatory burdens today is $10,000 per employee so that makes it very difficult for a small businessman to grow a business and to hire people he

actually takes a look at hiring someone and realize he's going to have increased costs because of the regulations that are poured on his company and how he has to do his business. i also want to make sure that our regulations don't burden us in terms of being able to compete with the rest of the world. we don't have a closed economy. we have to compete with the rest of the world and the regulatory burden of the united states is going so onerous, it's going to be very difficult for us to really be truly competitive with our competitors around the world. >> all right. well, i know you two guys are taking this show on the road trying to convince people of your case. andy card, got a new job at george herbert walker bush library at texas a&m and evan bayh, former senator, thank you very much for joining us live. both of you guys. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> all right. despite what deemed damning evidence, both o.j. simpson and casey anthony went free. is it the jurors' fault or a faulty judicial system? bob massey launched his career during the simpson trial and joins us next. >> and then president obama

calls congressional leaders to the white house. but majority leader eric cantor will sit down here on "fox & friends" first. he walked out on the debt talks before. he's not going to walk out on us. wha what's going to happen at that meeting with the president? [ grunts ]

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>> all right, some quick headlines from the control room for you. attorney general eric holder being accused of blocking the congressional investigation into controversial fast and furious gun tracking program that allowed weapons into the hands of mexican drug cartels. ken melson, the acting director of the atf says holder has tried to muzzle his testimony. >> and the tsa may have to increase the power of body scanners used at our airports. that's because there's a new government warning that terrorists may be planning to

surgically implant bombs inside their bodies. the starnndards used now aren't strong enough to detect objects inside. over to you, eric. >> thanks, steve. you're looking live outside the orange county courthouse where in just over an hour, casey anthony may be set free from prison, a shocking not guilty verdict in her murder trial is sparking comparisons to another famous trial, that of o.j. simpson in 1996. a jury acquitted the ex-football star of murdering his ex-wife and her boyfriend. but do the two trials really have that much in common? bob massey joins us live from vegas. tell us about the similarities and differences we all know one is a football star and one was a young lady from central florida. but aren't they both the same? we had shocking, shocking outcomes from two trials that looked like they were slam dunk cases.

>> eric, first, i want to congratulate you on your new show. i wish you the best. i'm so happy for you. god bless you. >> thank you so much. >> i would like to say this. yes, they were circumstantial. yes, the forensics were a very big part of what occurred in this but, of course, what made it more dramatic is we're dealing and no disrespect to those who were murdered in 1995-1996 time period, we have a 2-year-old child and so much has changed with court tv, you know, the cameras in the courtroom and covering these kinds of cases. the forensics, the forensics, the forensics and as i've said before in some other interviews that when you have science, they are the other witness in the courtroom and that's what failed in this particular case. >> talk about that a little bit. a lot of people are saying because the science has become so important that jurors are now looking for, forget reasonable doubt, exceeding reasonable doubt, they're looking for absolute certitude, are we in a case where absolute certitude is the only way to convict a mur r

murderer? >> the way we have to look at it is once any lawyer on either side does bring forensics into the courtroom, they live and die by that particular evidence. not that other evidence is not important. certainly it is. i mentioned the other day that when you have a coroner, for example, eric that has no axe to grind, not being paid by anybody. state employee. comes in and they ask him about cause of death, then you have to say to yourself, if he can't connect it, why would you then put that burden on a jury to become the expert for the district attorney's office to try to prove the case? >> because, bob, you know, i talked to jeff ashton on the way out of here, there are cases where murderers are convicted without even a body. so certainly there's no cause of death in those cases, so it's inconsistent. >> well, it is. but i think what it shows you is that many times while you can't predict what a jury looks to, i've tried cases for 30 years on the civil side, eric and i'll tell you something, man, you can

never predict what 12 people are going to hang their hat on. it is the way that the system works. it's the gamble that you take when you walk through the courtroom doors and mr. ashton has been absolutely first class in addressing this issue. he did a phenomenal job but i think even in his tone, he has admitted this was a tough case because of those issues. and you know what? they still went for it all. you can't fault a man. a lot of people have said they've overcharged him. i don't think that's fair. this guy has been in business for 30 years. they thought they had it and they lost the case. >> before we let you go, the jury system, is it still working or is it broke? quickly. >> no, it's working. listen, people get convicted every day in this country and people walk out of the courtroom every day in this country right, wrong or indifferent. it's the greatest system. it's a tough system but it's a great system. >> that's bob massi, thank you very much our friend. we'll return to our regular coverage of the housing market when he rejoins us in two weeks.

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the treasury's august 2nd debt ceiling deadline? just weeks away now. president obama is meeting with house and senate leaders at the white house to meet a deal on the debt limit. eric cantor joins me now because he's on the list. he's going to be at today's morning meeting. good to see you, congressman. >> good morning, gretchen. >> so are you going to walk out of this talk again? because about a couple of weeks ago, you said i'm not sitting here anymore. >> well, a couple of kweeks ago, you know, i walked out of the talks that were being hosted by vice president biden on one simple issue and that was the disagreement over whether we should raise taxes right now. i believe that it is wrong to raise taxes on small business people and families especially in this economy and we've got a spending problem in washington and we got to get that straight. and that's what i believe the goal should be in today's meeting as well. >> but congressman, you know that the president has been warning everyone to leave their talking points at the door and not bring them inside. and then just yesterday, he said this.

>> the debt ceiling should not be something that is used as a gun against the heads of the american people to extract tax breaks for corporate jet owners, for oil and gas companies that are making billions of dollars because the price of gasoline has gone up so high. >> now, since last week in that press conference, we know that those are the president's talking points about taxes for millionaires and billionaires. i want to get your take this morning, congressman because have you wavered? are you now going to give the president what he wants and give him those taxes? >> listen, you know, the president talks about these corporate jet owners and that is a priority for him. let's put into perspective what we're talking about. we've identified over $2 trillion in cuts that i believe both sides can wrap their arms around.

and it is those and that amount that i think is relevant. when you're talking about the jet owners, it's $3 billion vs. over $2 trillion so i said to the president yesterday, first of all, insinuating that that's what's holding the deal up is not the case. so if it's such a priority for the president to go after corporate jet owners, you know, if he wants to talk about loopholes, we don't like loopholes and preferences, it's not good for overall economic growth. we want to bring down rates and reform the system. if he wants to plug that loophole, we got to see offsetting tax cuts somewhere else because the priority is jobs. it's about getting people back to work and we're not for raising taxes, period. >> let me go down this list, then, so would you be willing to give the corporate jet owners, would you be willing to get rid of that tax break? what about the oil and gas companies? >> again, i haven't really seen exactly what the president is talking about. but at the end of the day, his talking points is going after

the billionaires, millionaires and what have you. again, if you look at what he's talking about, it is the same argument that we had last november when we had the election and that is that he and his party want to raise taxes on small businesspeople in this country right now and that's something that doesn't make sense when we're trying to get people back to work. >> i think republicans probably feel like they're in a bit of a bind, though, right? after the midterm election, one of the things that that election said to the american people and to members of congress was we put you in there because we actually agree with what you just said. no new taxes. so does that put you in a bind, then, if you even just move a little bit? >> no, what it is, gretchen, it's very -- i believe a very sensible position right now. we're not for any net new revenues right now. what we want to focus on is getting people back to work, growing this economy. that's how you increase revenues in this country is you grow and grow the economy.

and right now, we've got a situation in washington where taxpayer dollars are not being spent efficiently. i think most people get that. why would he want to throw good money after bad when you have to first fix the system. >> ok, i only have 20 seconds, but i want to get in a report out this morning that the president may be willing to cut social security entitlements, a huge part of this picture. is that heartening to you? >> it's heartening that we're talking the kind of big things that could be transformational to get the debt and deficit managed down. sure, we put that in our budget. but again, our line in the sand is we're not raising taxes on families or businesses right now. >> ok. all right. congressman eric cantor, tell us what happened after you go to that meeting, will you? >> i will. >> ok. great to see you, as always. >> thanks. >> coming up next, she's both sickened and disturbed. those words from casey anthony's aunt who is furious with that jury. we'll ask her what she knows when she joins us top of the hour. then our borders are more secure than ever before? better check again.

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talk to your doctor about your risk a about lipitor. >> gretchen: top of the morning to you. it's july 7. i'm gretchen carlson. her daughter is dead, but accused killer casey anthony could go free any moment. breaking details on her sentencing and her release coming up. >> steve: meanwhile, the jurors who acquitted casey anthony not happy about what they did. >> there were quite a few people when we got back after the verdict was read were in tears. >> steve: and they are not alone. casey's aunt says the verdict made her sick. she's here live to react in moments. >> eric: made us sick, too. they're not taking taxes as the answer. republicans listing demands for president obama as the clock ticks, either shut down or the show down at the white house. congressman paul ryan here live. "fox & friends" starts right now.

>> steve: welcome aboard as i try to discreetly hide my coffee on this coffee ledge. you're looking live at the orange county courthouse in orlando where casey anthony is set to be sentenced in less than an hour. she could walk free if the judge decides that the nearly three years time served is enough punishment. coming up in a couple of minute, casey anthony's aunt will join us live. she is very upset about the fact that casey could walk later today and the verdict in general. >> gretchen: the reason being is because apparently those four counts she was found guilty to lying to a police officer, they each come with one year of prison time. max. so she's already been in three, so i guess the judge had the option of giving her another year potentially? >> eric: even less, seven or eight months, if she gets the maximum.

by, who knows? >> steve: it's interesting, george and cindy anthony will be in the courtroom at the time and by the way, we'll put up a countdown clock so you know how soon the sentencing will be. according to their attorney, the anthonyss' attorney, they believe she'll wind up with another seven months. she may not walk free later this morning. stick here to fox. you'll see it all live. >> gretchen: your headlines for thursday. we start with a fox news alert. the roof of a stadium in the netherlands collapsed and there are at least 12 people trapped under the rubble. one of them has died. these pictures, just in, the stadium was undergoing a renovation when part of the roof caved n. at least five other workers are said to be hurt. helicopter crash at camp pendleton, california left one marine dead and five others hurt. it crashed during a training exercise there. the marine corps has not said how badly the injured marines are hurt, but were all taken to the hospital. we do not know the identity of the marine who died.

the helicopter was a super hewe. expected to cost thousands of dollars now to clean up the layers of dirt left behind in the phoenix area after that 100-mile wide dust cloud engulfed the city. many residents still without power thanks to a number of downed power lines. look at this time lapse of the storm. visibility dropped to zip in some areas when the cloud hit. take a close look at this. that's an illegal immigrant caught on camera climbing the border fence between mexico and el paso, texas. a fox news viewer snapped this photo of the man scaling the 21-foot high wall. he tried to get away on a bike, but u.s. border patrol agents nabbed him. those are your headlines. >> steve: all right. meanwhile, let's talk a little bit about the casey anthony sentencing that's going to happen just about 57 minutes from right now. in an off camera interview, apparently the attorney for george and cindy anthony, he

said that apparently they are expecting perhaps she'll wind up with another seven months. so far casey anthony has served 997 days in that particular jail. will she walk free today? probably not. but you don't know for sure, so stick to fox and july find out live. >> gretchen: it was interesting, it will be interesting to see how those parents of casey anthony react in the courtroom today because as you recall from the verdict, they both immediately stood up, seemed to be emotionless, and walked out. so what are they thinking? what are they thinking right now? they appeared to not really like the verdict, but keep in mind, there were a lot of accusations lobbed especially at the father during this whole situation. so if casey anthony will walk free, what will the relationship be like between casey and her parents and her brother? >> eric: a lot of people saw -- what you're looking at, the couple getting up and leaving right after the verdict and they

said, they must be upset with what's going on. but no, turns out we've learned that they were told to get up immediately after the verdict one way or the other and walk out. i guess for their safety. >> steve: apparently they're going to be filing some sort of a grievance against jose baez, casey anthony's attorney, against him with the bar for lying. remember, george anthony was accused of being a child molester and molesting his daughter. meanwhile, people are still talking about why exactly did that jury find her not guilty on the charges of killing her daughter? juror number 3, jennifer ford, 23-year-old college student at st. petersburg college, has spoken out and what she says is very, very interesting. listen. >> there wasn't enough evidence, there wasn't anything strong enough to say exactly -- i don't think anyone in america could

tell us exactly how she died. if you put even the 12 jurors in one room with a piece of paper, write down how she died, nobody knows. >> so it's cause of death that was a problem? >> how can you punish someone for something if you don't know what they did? they didn't even paint a picture for me to consider. there were quite a few people who we we got back after the verdict was read were in tears. >> why were you crying after you handed down a not guilty verdict? >> not guilty doesn't mean innocent. it doesn't mean innocent. >> how do you feel about that, that you may have let a woman who murdered her own daughter walk off that room? >> it was a horrible decision to have to make. but i had to do it based on the law. >> gretchen: joining us is casey's aunt, pamela. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> gretchen: you got to wonder after listening to that juror, whether or not people who kill people now and dispose of them

and the body isn't found for some time and there is not enough evidence of dna, you got to wonder if that's going to be the new standard, that they're going to walk free. is that what you thought about in this case? >> i thought that it was as clear cut of a circumstance that you could possibly think of and i don't know what else you would need to connect the dots. >> steve: you're furious? >> i believe that it's not only a tragedy, it's a travesty. >> steve: what's your message to the jurors who made this determination? >> i don't presume to chastise any of the jurors. i wasn't in the room with them, but i think that this is not a good decision. i think like a lot of other people, we've watched way too much csi and we expect something to jump out of a bag and say, hey, she did it. all i know is that i have several pets. if i lost my dog, which i have,

i'd be looking for that dog for the next three months. i wouldn't be out partying. i don't understand it. >> eric: tell us about your relationship with casey. what do you think of her? >> i really cannot speak on that. i have probably not seen casey since she was maybe nine or ten years old and as a child, a very lovely, quiet little girl. your average thing. i was completely stunned by this when it came on the news. >> gretchen: but you had been in contact with cindy, her mom. correct? >> no. not cindy. i have been in contact with my ex mother-in-law, cindy's mother. >> gretchen: okay. so during this trial, what was she telling you? >> initially i believe that she felt that casey was definitely guilty. i mean, how could you not? she's the last one to see the child? >> steve: sure. >> gretchen: the interesting thing was, pam, is that the mom

in this case, cindy, apparently appeared to lie on the stand when she said she did those computer searches for the chloroform and not her daughter. so it appeared like she was trying to cover for her. s that your take? >> yes. thank god i would never be in a position like they have been in a position, so i don't know what i would do. but i think that it's certainly a mixed up mess and i think she, at the beginning, was telling the truth and towards the end, not. >> steve: what about the allegation -- that was never proven, we should point out, that george anthony, molested her, abused her? >> i don't believe that at all. i think that that is part of this whole ugly mess that people's lives have been trashed and changed forever because of things that the defense have said. i feel very, very bad for people like jesse grund and george and

especially lee. i feel really bad for these people. >> gretchen: her brother. >> eric: take a listen to this. stay with us and take a listen to this. this is one of the jurors, what they saw, what they felt about george anthony. take a listen. >> it did not help the state's case? >> why? >> because he was clearly dishonest. >> how? >> well, he was evasive, number one. his story seemed to change depending on, like they said, initially he was on the defense's side, so he would fight with mr. ashton, not give straight answers. but then he switched to the prosecution side and then now he won't give the defense straight answers. it's all, what do you mean? can you ask the question again? and like clearly you can follow a logical conversation and respond, like he acted like he couldn't understand what was going on and it was -- it was clear to me that he was just being difficult. he didn't want to answer questions and if it didn't help the prosecution's case, he was going to try and -- i don't

recall. >> eric: what would you say to that juror right there? >> i would say that george anthony shouldn't have been the one on trial here. he's not the one with the care of the child. i think it was pretty plain that they focused all their energy, thanks to the defense team, on the wrong person. >> gretchen: one of your fears is that they're going to profit from this, the family. right? >> absolutely. absolutely. and i hope that they take any of the profits that they may earn on this from a book deal, movie deal, and should go to a fund having to do with caylee. i believe that there is something on the internet right now about reporting your child within 48 hours of missing or having it be a felony. let's push this law. i mean, not profit from it. and shame on any company or movie theater, anything that shows anything on this that is

profit for them. >> steve: there is a story out there this morning, pamela, that somebody may have already offered her $5 million -- $3 million for a book deal. pamela, casey anthony's aunt, we thank you very much for joining us live from cleveland, ohio. >> thank you. >> gretchen: coming up on the show, police ambushed in a fire fight literally. cracks fight back with firewood? are you kidding me? >> eric: republicans taking a hard line on tax hikes, sakes no way, no how. so how will the president respond today? does he have any other options? congressman paul ryan right here next. [ malannouncer ] imagine facing the day

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>> gretchen: will it be a deal or no deal? president obama and top u.s. lawmakers from both parties meeting at the white house later

today to see if they can reach an agreement on the debt ceiling. >> eric: but earlier this week, the white house press secretary, jay carney, sounded like he already knew what the american people wanted. >> americans are not like i demand this, i draw the red line here and i draw this in the sand, they just want us to get something done that's sensible, that spreads the sacrifice and spreads the prosperity. >> eric: a deal that spreads the prosperity one that can help fix the economy? let's ask wisconsin congressman paul ryan, chairman of the house budget committee. boy, i would love to be a fly on the wall of those meetings today. is it all depending on you guys, the gop, moving on your platform of no more taxes? >> good morning, by the way. first of all, i still think we've got a ways to go here. i don't think you're going to see some big bargain hatched

today. first of all, spending is the problem. we have yet to nail down all the kinds of spending cuts we're talking about. i think the second part of the story that is not getting covered these days is that there is already huge tax increases scheduled to occur in current law. in 2013, a massive wave of tax increases, because of the president's health care law, because of the lame duck tax bill he signed, are scheduled to hit small businesses and families in 2013. that's putting a chilling effect on economic growth today. so you already have tax increases coming. let's not forget that fact. so what we're simply saying is, we got to cut spending. and for every dollar of debt limit increase the president wants, we need to cut more than a dollar's worth of spending. we put out our budget to do that. tomorrow marks the 800th day since the senate bothered to try to even pass a budget. we have no budget process here and the reason you're having all this coverage here is because the only game left in town to cut spending and get this deficit under control is the debt limit. >> gretchen: exactly.

congressman, many people know you're good at math because you put together the whole gop budget plan. but people might not know you are good at a dual. yesterday you tweeted that you wanted to have a dual with the president. >> gretchen: a challenge. that's my word. you said, fear mongering won't solve our debt crisis. americans deserve a real debate. you pick when and where. did he tweet you back? >> no. i don't think he tweets. >> gretchen: okay. did he give you a response at all? >> no. i'm doing actually a facebook town hall tonight. go to prosperitypac.com. i'm doing it to answer these questions that have not been answered. i think the nation deserves an honest debate about its future, what are we going to cut spending, pay off our debt and get this deficit off our backs and grow the economy? you don't do that by taxing people, let alone by taxing the successful small businesses which is most of our jobs come

from. unfortunately, that's not being talked about. we're in favor of tax reform, getting rid of loopholes to lower everybody's tax rate, to have a mar fairer tax system and one that creates job growth. we're not interested in just raising taxes for the sake of raising taxes and more importantly, raising them on successful small businesses which is where most of the jobs come from. >> gretchen: at 10:00 a.m. today, you have a house budget committee hearing called budgeting for america's national security. let's face it, congressman, one of the things being talked about is cut the spending at the pentagon. is that what you're going to discuss today? >> it is. the democrats asked for this hearing. i was happy to oblige. in the majority, you have to work with the minority and accommodate their issues. and the ranking member asked me for this hearing. happy to oblige. we'll have a good debate and good discussion in the budget committee about the pentagon budget. we'll have all sides.

>> eric: congressman, thank you very much for all your hard work on this really, really extremely important issue. thank you very much. congressman paul ryan. thank you. >> thank you. >> gretchen: nearly 200 teachers caught cheating, changing their students' grades and putting money in their own pockets? now word they're not going to face any charges. the superintendent of that district here live to respond next. >> eric: just when you thought the tsa was too involved in your business, airport security checks about to get even more personal. prepare yourself for body bomb exams. itional science comes centrum. with vitami and merals balanced to support your energy... ♪ ...immune function... ♪ ...healthy skin... and help protect your cells from environmental stress. everyday benefits from advanced formulas. the complete benefits of centrum. and if you're over 50, discer the age-adjusted benefits of centrum silver.

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>> gretchen: couple headlines at 23 minutes past the hour. the search for seven missing u.s. tourists extended beyond the standard 96 hours. the families of those fishermen hanging on to hope they will be found alive. the men vanished four days ago

when their boat capsized in the gulf of california. and the royals are coming! the duke and duchess of cambridge arrive in the united states tomorrow. they'll party with celebs like jennifer lopez, nicole kidman and tom hanks. it's kate's first ever trip to america. come across the pond. steve? >> steve: thanks. caught red handed, cheating on tests. we're not talking about the students here. the shocking results of an investigation into atlanta, georgia's public schools reveal 178 teachers and principals either helped kids on standardized tests or changed the answers later. all to make the schools look better and get more federal funding. now many of those teachers involved may not be prosecuted. georgia state school superintendent dr. john barge joins us right now from denver, colorado. good morning to you, dr. barge. >> good morning, thanks for

having me. >> steve: it was a little suspicious when investigators looked at all these test scores and realized, hey, how come so many of them have been erased? >> absolutely. and i think if you've read the report, it was fairly widespread. >> steve: yeah. so teachers and principals erased incorrect answer, put in correct answers because there is a lot of money at stake, isn't there? >> well, in this particular school system, they did have a reward system set up. so whereby if teachers improved scores for their students, then they had the potential to earn bonuses. but also administrators and to my knowledge, even the superintendent at the time, had some additional rewards coming for raising student achievement. >> steve: the superintendent at the time, superintendent beverly hall, there is a story in the atlanta journal constitution

this morning that says she and top aides destroyed complaints of misconduct from all sorts of people who said, hey, look, there is a lot of cheating going on there. apparently there had been whistle blowers out there for a while, and nothing happened with that. where is she now? >> well, to my knowledge, she retired and within the last few weeks. it's just so unfortunate that this all boils down to leadership and when you have leadership that is sweeping things under the rug, destroying complaints, it's very frustrating as an educational leader, to have to deal with the negative impact of poor leadership. >> steve: well, her attorney said this: not one of the 82 persons who allegedly confessed to cheating told the investigators that dr. hall at the time instructed, encouraged or condoned cheating. the report's conclusion, that dr. hall actually knew of any

such cheating is based on supposition. we reaffirm the position that she most definitely did not know of any widespread cheating. but the cheating was widespread, doctor, and it lasted for years. is there a possibility somebody can go to jail? >> there is. in georgia, our educators sign a code of ethics and they have the potential to face charges for falsifying those documents. that will be up to, though, the district attorneys in about three different judicial areas where some of this activity took place. >> steve: i would imagine for a number of those teachers involved, their union, the nea, will mount a defense on their behalf? >> well, in georgia, we're a union-free state. so we do not deal with teacher unions. in that respect, we're good there. but we have a couple of educator associations that do help teachers and they may be

involved, but quite honestly, i've seen some statements by them and they are as appalled as the general public is at the behavior of some of the folks in the school system. >> steve: that's good to know. it's good they're finally getting to the bottom of those suddenly high scores down there. dr. barge, georgia state school superintendent, thank you for joining us live. >> thank you very much. >> steve: what a story. meanwhile, brand-new jobless numbers just moments away. will they take another hit? fox news alert after the break. then crooks fight back using fire power, launching fireworks at police. then as you can see from the countdown clock, we're just about 31 minutes away from casey anthony's sentencing. could the accused killer go free today? we will take you live to the courthouse shortly. [ female announcer ] ever wish vegetables didn't taste so vegetably? well, v8 v-fusion juice gives you a full serving of vegetables, plus a full serving of fruit.

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>> steve: give us the news. >> eric: the labor department just released the latest weekly jobless numbers. initial jobless claims, 418,000 first-time unemployment claims were filed last week. they were expecting them to drop to 420,000, so a little bit better than expected. however, steve, i'm here every thursday at 8:30 and we talked about it, that number needs to start with a 2, not a 4. >> gretchen: 2? >> eric: 350, you start to create jobs in the economy. 300,000, you're creating enough

jobs and at 2, 250,000, it's a robust economy. >> gretchen: you can tell i've been listening when you come? >> eric: thank you for listening. >> gretchen: i thought 350 was that number. >> steve: during the summer, shouldn't that number be higher, traditionally? >> eric: we look at it on a four-week moving average for a trend, and the trend has been 420, 415, it's very, very elevated. again, tomorrow morning at 8:30, the bureau of labor statistics is going to come out with the unemployment number, the 9.1, we'll see where that goes. but the economy needs to create 215,000 jobs per month in order to get to only 8% rate by election. >> steve: big hill. >> gretchen: with a may job numbers, that was what they called a blip. remember? >> eric: a bump in the road. >> gretchen: now we have to see what june will say. these twitter town halls are popping up all over the place. the president did one yesterday. you heard congressman paul ryan said he's doing a facebook one.

so the president was pitted against john boehner, the speaker of the house, when it came to jobs. look at this tweet. >> our next question comes from someone you may know. this is speaker boehner. >> there you go. >> after embarking on a record spending binge that left us deeper in debt, where are the jobs? and then on a note that these characters are his fault -- not his fault. >> john needs to work on his typing skills. well, look, obviously john is the speaker of the house, who is a republican, and so this is a slightly skewed question. >> eric: answer the question, though! don't laugh it off! it reminds me of when -- that panel saying, those shovel ready jobs, i guess they weren't so

shovel ready. >> gretchen: it's also not a partisan questions. democrats are asking where the jobs are. everyone is asking that. >> steve: and to the surprise of the white house, while he accused john boehner of having a typo there, john boehner was able to prove that when the tweet left his office, it was clean, the error was at the white house. but the president did answer the question kind of and once again, the president blamed george bush. listen. >> we have not seen fast enough job growth relative to the needs. i mean, we lost, as i said, 4 million jobs before i took office, before i was sworn in, about 4 million jobs were lost in the few months right after i took office before our economic policies had a chance to take any effect. and over the last 15 months, we've actually seen 2 million

jobs created in the private sector. >> steve: so he blamed george bush. interestingly enough, it wasn't only the speaker who asked that question, the afl-cio tweeted. >> eric: that was a softball game. i heard harder questions on the miss america pageant. >> gretchen: excuse me! >> eric: oops. all right, miss universe contest. >> gretchen: casey anthony about 20 minutes away from being sentenced in orlando. protesters already gathering and showing anger at the jury. phil keating is live outside the orange county courthouse with much more. phil, you been there for the duration and here we have it. probably the time day. right? >> yeah, the final moment here, the sentencing hearing for 25-year-old casey anthony. above me, the news helicopters are hovering, broadcasting live images. lot of people, spectators, protesters, demonstrators, all

gathered outside. everybody waiting for 9:00 a.m. to arrive. that is when casey anthony is going to learn from judge perry whether she gets more additional time behind bars or whether she, in fact, walks free sometime later today. if that is going to be the outcome, she'll be taken back to the orange county jail, processed and released. most likely the sheriff's department will usher her to an undisclosed third location. we're setting up -- at the courthouse, they were setting up barricades for crowd control in the event of this possibility. however, this judge has been very much letter to the law, hard line judge during this entire past two months. just for this trial, he has very quickly whipped out stiff fines and stiff jail terms where people just for the crime of contempt of court. now you've got potentially four years she could be sentenced for the four counts of lying to the

cops. she's been in prison for most of three years. a year of that has to go towards the six convictions a year ago, for check fraud, from where she was stealing her girlfriend's money and writing bogus checks during that time and not telling anybody caylee was missing. if the judge takes a super hard line on this, he could still give her about two more years still to serve behind bars somewhere in the state of florida in a prison. so we don't know what the judge is going to do. he is also going to perhaps levy a fine or a bill of hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars that casey anthony will be obliged to pay back. it is florida law that you can force the defendant, if they are acquitted and convicted of mixed charges, they can be forced to pay for not only the investigation, but the prosecution of those crimes. that would be lying to police officers, lying to detectives,

and she has to pay all of that back, you're looking at hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars. the state attorney office was preparing those numbers. and tim miller, the founder of texas equusearch, that great volunteer organization that goes around the country trying to find missing children, he wants to civilly sue her for $112,000 that they spent in the summer of 08 and he says the most regrettable aspect of that, while she was lying about caylee being missing and they're spending 85% of their whole budget on searching for caylee, there were other legitimately missing children elsewhere they had to blow off to focus here in orlando. >> steve: so she potentially faces one big bill, and perhaps she will take that rumored $3 million book deal. thank you very much. we know she'll be sentenced in 20 minutes from right now in orlando and we've got a panel coming up to discuss it up to the top of the hour. the rest of your headlines on this thursday. the tsa may have to increase the

power of those body scanners at the airport checkpoints because there is a new government warning that terrorists may be planning to surgically implant bombs inside their bodies of the terrorists and the scanners now being used are not strong enough to detect objects inside of us. just on the outside. the security industry sells more powerful scanners, but the tsa is already coming under fire over the privacy and safety of its current scanners. >> gretchen: president obama, as we've been telling you, will meet with congressional leaders today to work out a deal on the debt ceiling. try to, at least. republicans say they're going to sit down to talk, but they're still saying they're not going to raise taxes. the president says everybody needs to stop playing games. >> the debt ceiling should not be something that is used as a gun against the heads of the american people to extract tax breaks for corporate jet owners.

>> if he wants to talk about loopholes, we don't like loopholes and preferences. it's not good for overy'all economic growth. we want to bring down rates and reform the system. >> gretchen: that meeting just 2 1/2 hours away now. we're told house speaker john boehner is working with the president closely, leading up to these talks. but reversing the bush tax cuts not part of any deal right now. eric? >> eric: the heat is son attorney general eric holder. he's being accused of blocking the congressional investigation into the controversial fast and furious gun trafficking program that allowed weapons into the hands of mexican drug cartels. the acting director of the atf says holder has tried to muzzle his testimony. steve, this one is growing by the minute. >> steve: quite an allegation. a fourth of july celebration turns into a near riot when a mob turns on firefighters and police officers, shooting fireworks at the cops and the firemen. it all went down in peoria,

illinois. the first responders got a call that a dumpster was on fire. when they got there, they were attacked not with just roman candles, but with commercial grade fireworks. these nitwits pelted them with bottles and rocks. several officers were burned but are expected to be just fine, thankfully. >> gretchen: apparently pays to be angelina jolie and sarah jessica parker. they topped the highest earning actresses, clearing $30 million between may of last year and this year. jennifer aniston and reese witherspoon, hot on the heels, making $28 million apiece. julia roberts rounded out the top five, netting $20 million last year. >> steve: how do you live on that? >> gretchen: good for them. >> steve: it's just 18 minutes before the top of the hour. the jury acquitted her of killing her daughter, but what does the judge think? will he hold the murder charges against her during the sentencing for lying to cops? up next, a lawyer, a judge, and

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>> gretchen: taking a live look right now. in a moment outside the orlando courthouse, that's actually inside, where we're minutes away from sentencing for casey anthony. she could be a free woman by this afternoon. our panel this morning, fox news legal analyst, peter johnson, jr., host of "judge alex," and forensic pathologist, dr. michael hunter, here to take us right up to that sentencing. peter, let me start with you because you were bringing up an interesting point about exactly what the judge may be able to do today. what do you think he's going to do? >> i think that he needs to respond to the voices in the community. there has been a real outrage in a lot of sectors with regard to the jury verdict. i always believe that he was

bending over backwards in this case in order to secure a conviction. i think it's going to be very difficult for him to withstand public pressure and not comment in a way that is compelling with regard to the conduct of casey anthony. and in the second issue, i think the judge can comment on it because he's an expert on it, is will the acquitted charges be held against casey anthony? she was acquitted of this murder charge. can the judge consider that as they do in federal court, in determining her sentence on these charges? >> eric: what do you think, judge alex? >> no, i don't think judge perry will in any way hold the charges she was acquitted of against her. the thing, though, is i could see him going either way here on whether he gives her a consecutive sentence and maxes her out or concurrent. i can hear him say i can't hold the charges against her, she was acquitted of those and if she lied to police, i would never give her four years in prison, so i'm not doing it now and give her credit time served and she would walk today. on the other hand, i could also

see him saying, these lies were not simple lies of i was home when i really wasn't. the lie of saying your daughter was alive cost thousands of volunteers to scour this county, caused untold hours of police effort to find her when you knew she was dead, cost the community millions of dollars and for that, i will give you the maximum sentence. i honestly couldn't dispute with him either way he went. >> eric: judge, that's cindy and george anthony. is there any grounds, any way that he can say, i'm not giving you credit for the three years you've already spent behind bars? >> there is authority that allows the judge to have discretion on the issue of how much credit for time served to give. used to be the law was, you got all credit for time served. didn't matter if you were in on check fraud charges and murder and two separate cases, you got credit for every day you were in jail. since then the law changed and the judge has discretion to either give or not give credit for the time that she served in jail while she was similarly serving time for the check fraud

charges. that makes a date hard to pin down. >> gretchen: i want to get dr. hunter in here because we've got to go to a commercial before we come back. but dr. hunter, what do you make now of hearing some of the jurors now that say that they just could never even get to murder? the evidence didn't get them to murder? >> right. i think in this case, the prosecution, they probably overcharged. they really should have focused simply on homicide. tried to build that case block by block to convince that jury that we have a homicidal death and treat it like that, maybe as a manslaughter charge. the push to go for that premeditated act, i simply think that there was no -- there wasn't a whole lot there. you could put holes into everything the prosecution brought forward and even the medical examiner in this case did not go as far as what the prosecution wanted to. the medical examiner did not look in the eye of the jury and say, this is a premeditated act from asphyxia. i think they overcharged it and

didn't focus on homicide like they should have. >> steve: the prosecutor, the lead prosecutor was in our studio earlier today, we asked him whether or not he overcharged. we'll play the answer that he gave us on the other side of the quick timeout. 90 minutes away from the sentencing of casey anthony in florida. stay with us. continuing coverage. we'll be right back. takes the r, but also a caring touch. you learn to get a feel for the trouble spots. to know its wants... its needs...its dreams. ♪call 1-800-steemer. aren't getting enough whole grain. but actually, it's never been easier to get the whole grain you want from your favorite big g cereals. from cheerios to lucky charms, there's whole grain in every box. make sure to look for the white check. you know that comes with a private island. really? no. it comes with a hat. you see, airline credit cards promise flights for 25,00miles, but...

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>> steve: she's scheduled to be sentenced just a little less than seven minutes, casey anthony now in the courtroom with a member of her defense team. there have been a number of people who have said that the prosecution simply overcharged jose baez, told that to barbara walters. mr. ashton, the lead prosecutor, was on our program earlier today responding to that charge. here is what he said.

>> that's ridiculous. the jury was given options of lesser offenses all the way down to manslaughter. so the jury had all the different options in front of them. if our theory of what happened was correct, then it was first-degree murder and we honestly believe that it was. to say that if we charged her with manslaughter they might more likely have convicted her is just not true. >> gretchen: i want to get some people's thoughts on that. judge, do you believe the jury may have had a different mindset if it would have only been manslaughter? >> not if they were following the law. and i tend to believe the jurors tend to follow the law. i think they had enough evidence for first. i know there is disagreement. if the jury rejected that, they could have certainly found her guilty of manslaughter. it was more than an option there. so i think the prosecution did the right thing to charge what they thought they could prove and what they have evidence of. not to walk away from a first-degree murder because they

thought that they would be more successful in manslaughter. >> i think the judge is spot on right and i don't think it was overcharged. it's interesting, it's kind of a different, more carefree relaxed looking casey anthony this morning. her hair is down. she's wearing a different type of blouse this morning, not the kind of look she had before. >> steve: there she is with the guy, screen left, who flipped off the media. what's going to happen in orlando? stay tuned. we'll be right back. naturals from purina cat chow. delicious, real ingredients with no artificial flavors or preservatives. naturals from purina cat chow. share a better life. didn't taste so vegetably? well, v8 v-fusion juice gives you a full serving of vegetables, plus a full serving of fruit. but it just tastes like fruit. and try our deliciously refreshing v8 v-fusion + tea.

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>> gretchen: we're waiting the sentencing for casey anthony. you can see her huddled with her lawyers. peter, you brought up an important point, the fact that she looks totally different today. obviously you dress differently for a jury when you want to appear a certain way. >> absolutely. she looks like she's dressed to leave today. >> steve: our thanks to our panel, judge alex, dr. michael hunter and peter johnson, jr. what will happen to casey

anthony? the answer in "america's newsroom" that starts now. bill: thank you everybody, good morning, a fox news alert, casey anthony could walk out of jail within minutes, a judge will decide whether or not she goes home or stays behind bars for more time. it was two days ago when a bombshell verdict found her not guilty of murder but at issue is the four counts of lying to police, those four counts came back guilty, serious charges, nonetheless but certainly a lot less serious than murder. good morning, everybody, i'm bill hemmer live in "america's newsroom". we welcome heather childers in today. heather: good to be here, big day, i'm healthier childers in for martha mcical up. bill: it's the time served that the judge is considering. we've been watching casey anthony in court where she appeared about eight minutes ago. she has shown a lot of energy, very talkative with her attorneys, her hair is