weekend. thanks for watching tonight. i'm bill o'reilly. please always remember the spin stops right here because we are definitely looking out for you. >> tonight the occupation may be over but the damage and destruction left in the wake of the occupy movement's mass day of action is still shaking the country. in cities all across the america yesterday property was damaged, streets were blocked, commutes were interrupted and hundreds were arrested and dozens more were needlessly injured. now here in new york city, the birthplace of the occupy movement, two months ago several were taken into custody, several officers injured and despite the day's disturbing amount of violence, liberals remain

shockingly silent on the issue, that is except two from the president's past. but they are hardly standing up against the left wing lunacy, they are actually endorsing. and there he is, the unrepentant terrorist, the former university of chicago professors, bill ayers. he burst into laughter at the thought of the demonstrations being orderly or lawful. >> the mayor of atlanta just extended the occupation for three more weeks. that's something along the lines of people have a right to be civilly disobedient, and he used this word, as long as it's lawful. [laughter] >> as long as it's lawful. >> while the anointed one's former green jobs van jones warns this is just the tip of the iceberg. >> you will see an evolution now if you go from -- keep the protests but now it's expanded to politics.

if you thought there was an earthquake in 2010 when the tea party moved into politics, wait until the 99% movement moves into politics. you haven't seen anything yet. >> and joining me is nationally syndicated talk show host, bill cunningham, and host david webster. david cunningham, god bless you, you are watching this madness unfold. barack obama endorsed it, nancy pelosi, debbie becauser man schultz, and none of speaking out against the anti-capitalism, and anti-americanism rhetoric. what is going on here. >> there's a scene in "star wars" where luke says i am your father, i am your father. monthsing a obama launched this. and all over the i didn't the

1%ers who represent some of the worst aspects of american culture, they are making fools of themselves but the media, because they are general hi in allegiance with the views of the 1%. but there's no bridge or nexus in anything they are doing with the change. the people who change america work for a living and do not commit crime. these individuals largely do not work for a living and they are committing crimes, including threatening to fire bomb miss -- macy's in new york city. >> molotov cocktail. this seems like the class war rhetoric. >> class and race. you have to combine the two because all this is about is the politics of distraction, keeping everyone in their place. he's past govern fence. you need a boogeyman for the left. think of the tactics, you have

to have an enemy so it has to be 1% or successful americans. but the president finally spoke out. he spoke out through jay carney who said the constitutional rights of the protestors had to be compromised for the sake and safety of health. >> what? >> their rights were never compromised. you can protest in america if you do it under the rule of law. you can't occupy personal property. the president endorsed this. he hasn't run away from it. he made a nice little statement through jay carney to try to say it was their safety and the public that he was concerned about. bs. the bottom line is this defend is device i have, this president is using class and race warfare and in his tactics, his politics and his ideology and it's insulting to people who are in the lower economic areas, lower economic part of america, if you will, that are being used by him instead of being uplifted. >> the question, bill cunningham, i have for you is to

what extent is this a factor in this coming election? a year away -- >> sean. >> yeah. >> sean, could you imagine if barack insane obama had gone through the same scrutiny that herman cain and others have gone through the last several days? and can you imagine if they went to column paw, if they went to harvard, can you imagine the scrutiny of obama's connection to bill ayers, who is a domestic terrorist? how come herman cain plays by a different set of rule than obama? can you tell me. >> obama only got one question in the campaign last cycle about bill ayers. now interestingly, bill ayers did talk about the tea party movement. here he is supporting the occupy movement. rampant antisemitism that we have chronicled, insane views, anti-american views. they had to set up a separate rape tent, a protective tent for

women in the park because rapes were so rampant there. here is bill ayers when he's talking about the tea party movement when they actually couldn't find this type of rhetoric or signs as they have been challenged many times to do. here he is. >> i'm sure you are aware the president has been trying to frame up in this kind of battle with the tea party. and some people are saying that we should try to focus on what we shared and so are not partisanship that way. like many of us others are kind of like, no. >> a big bright line running through the tea party movement, nativism, racism, that's there. a big bright line is funding from the coke brothers, it's a big funded group. you know, it's nonsensical in that sense. >> what does it say to you, david, that the guy that was not sorry about being part of the weather underground, they bombed the capital, new york city,

police headquarters, and whatever else, the pentagon, and he's unrepentant about it. obama gave speeches with him, started his accomplice cal career in his house. what does it say that he and van jones, one of the most radical appointments of owe became ma -- >> who had to leave for that reason. >> vowed communist, 911 truther, what does it say that they are so active in this. >> this is the hard left that obama is in line with. these are his front line soldiers in america for his ideology. you know, it really offends had me when bill ayers does this comparison to the tea party. two things started in new york, and i founded it, i put tens of thousands of people all over the streets of new york. not one arrest. not one rape-free zone. not one complaint from business. as a matter of fact, i worked with the businesses and nypd

came back and said, david he we love working with you. and when i broadcast at the zupatti, we talked to them. we found a couple rational people but they were never the narrative. the party for socialism and liberation, they want marksism, never known down there. >> and congratulations on your tv show. it's one of the top rated long shows. the year. i'm proud of you. i knew you back when? >> i don't think you and david and me are part of the demo but i'm having fun doing it. we are going to have a long run. >> now that the zupatti park people are back home, they will be watching. how did they get all the time to protest? i don't get it. >> because they don't have jobs. >> the one and only charles is here to explain why he thinks president obama is acting more and more like a candidate in

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>> as we in were closer to the 2012 elections, the hopefuls hammer away on the campaign show.

the next guess said he might as well start calling him president obama, the campaigner in chief. why he believes we should trade in president obama's yes, we can, slogan for "we can't wait." thanks for being here. >> happy to be here. >> i read your column. why is it now we can't wait? >> well, look. he had his "yes, we can" and it turned out he really couldn't so now it's we can't wait, meaning everything is the fault of the republicans. he keeps saying we have to get the jobs bill, we have to get all this done, stuffy want. now it turns out he had a decision to make, a very important decision that involved thousands of really shovel ready jobs, big infrastructure, exactly the kind he says he wants for america and jobs that were number one. also jobs that would real reduce our dependence on unfriendly sources of energy abroad. this is the keystone x cell

pipeline from canada that would carry oil down to refineries in texas. a huge project. and the decision went to him. it had been studies for three years by the state department because it is their responsibility when it crosses an international frontier. it's the longest study of any pipeline in u.s. history, two studies, and it indicated there's no significant risk at all. what does obama do? he decides he will decide unilaterally. and he decides to punt this. no decision, more study, for 12 to 18 months, meaning he kicked it until after the election. now this is -- and the excuses are, well, you know, it's going to increase global warning. this is preposterous. the canadians have said if it doesn't go south to the united

states, it will go west to asia. they are not going to stop the oil sands. it will be exactly the same effect, if any, on the environment. so it will have no effect at all in changing the environment if we decide not to take the oil. and the second item about the possible danger to the u.s. ecological structure in nebraska and elsewhere. again, there was this huge study that said there's no significant risk. the interesting thing is that the new york times and the washington post, in reporting on this, have shown how unbelievably, purely nakedly political was the decision. the times reports that days before the president's announcement, they had been looking for ways to put the decision past election day. not to improve on the pipeline or study it in any other way, to make it past, because he doesn't want to anger the people on his

left, his base, who are against the pipeline. and the post reported that one of its sources said that the campaign people, in the obama campaign, had concluded that approving the pipeline, which everybody expected, canada expected, everybody expected, that approving it would bring them not one extra vote on election day. and, thus, he kills a project essentially, at least for 18 months, possibly it will never happen if canada heads it west, he kills it entirely for political and personal election reasons. >> it's so like what we discovered this week about solyndra, they wanted the firing delayed until after the 2010 elections. so he's punting here, and as you point out, the risks remain because they will send that oil off to china and we are going to pay higher oil prices. and the other fascinating thing here, charles, is that canada

had a recession they got out of pause they started drilling. unemployment in north dakota is 3.5% because they are drilling. it seems like the easiest way, the simplest way to get immediate jobs into the economy and help us get out of the recession, the president keeps rejecting that. so the very thing that would help him, i think it would help him despite of what his advisors are concluding. >> especially with oil cracking $100 a barrel again, and especially after given the gulf oil spill he essentially shut down drilling, now it's slightly relaxed. the but the eat coast, west coast are shut down and alaska, huge restrictions. it's such an obvious source of recovery, of jobs, of end -- of income and of independence. and it also is hand and glove with what happened, for example, on this decision he made to wind down the surge in afghanistan. in september.

next year, again, it's election-driven. september makes no sense whatsoever. it is during the fighting season. either do it earlier in the year or later in the year. his commandders, not one commander had recommended a winding down of the in surgeons in september. why did he do it? because he wants to have something to say in the last weeks of the election i made a promise on afghanistan and i kept it. >> that's pretty sad. >> this is all about his re-election. what galls me is he keeps saying over and over again republicans are the ones that put party or nations, elections over the national interests and these are naked examples of him doing exactly what he eye of accuses the republicans of. >> it's extraordinary well-said. let me ask you one political question. you had harsh words for herman cain, especially on his foreign

policy knowledge. the polls that have come out, delete that have newt ahead, and probable more importantly for a candidate, there's a poll this week that has him way up in iowa and now a poll out today neck and neck with governor romney in new hampshire. what do you make of his sudden rise in the polls? >> well, i'm not sure that i believe that, you know, one poll at one time in one place indicates a sudden rise. >> i'm talking about five separate polls here. >> i have nothing against herman cain. i think he's a terrific guy. he has a great story and he has terrific talents. what i'm saying is i call them like i see them. anybody who has watched him in the debate on foreign affairs, anyone who watched his response on libya, anyone who has watched him in any talking about what is happening abroad knows, and it's rather obvious, that he's over his head and he's winning it. there's no other way to explain that libya answer.

as if libya were some strange, obscure country, which you wouldn't expect anyone to know a lot about. it's a story, a war we've been writing about, arguing about, talking about for eight months. and now i call it as i see it. >> i gotcha. >> it's not reflected in the polls. i'm not offended. americans have their own opinions and they can reject mine. >> real quick on newt, what do you think of course his rise? can he sustain it and do you think he's coming down because we are getting real close to vacation time and probably not as much attention on presidential politics. and january 3rd the caucuses. mr. newt sustain his rise in the poll? >> he's right now, this is like a cycle we've seen over and over again. as soon as you be end up in the top tier, all the artillery is shot at you. the story on freddie and fannie. the story he took in millions

with husband strategic advising. people will learn about the ad he did with nancy pelosi in which he spoke with global warning and the need to essentially expend a lot of money by the government to counteract it. so all of these issues which people have not probably been aware of in the past are going to be now out front. >> all right. >> and we will have to see how he answers, now he weathers it, and whether he can make a coherent and defense i believe argument against all of these new news that people are going to hear. >> charles, always great to see you. thanks for being with us. >> a pleasure. >> with just weeks to go before the iowa caucuses, knew numbers reveal there's a new frontrunner other he merging. we have the latest polls out of iowa, new hampshire, and dozen of house republicans are now saying eric holder has to go for his botched "fast and furious" operation. this, as he gets ready to take the stand yet again. that and more on this night on

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>> we are just a few weeks away from the iowa caucuses. a brand new poll has former speaker of the house getting 32% of the vote. now that is a double-digit lead over mit romney, who comes in

second, 19%. herman cain comes in with 13%. in new hampshire, a new poll shows gingrich and romney in what they are saying a statistical dead heat now. they were asked if the vote was held today who would they vote for? joining me now with reaction to the of-changing fop field, former san francisco mayor, one and only, willy brown is back. and republican strategist, columnnist, nicole. >> you support barack obama, right? >> i do. >> that's fine. if there's one republican you fear the most, who would it be? >> i think newt gingrich represents the biggest threat from a democratic standpoint simply because he has more experience, more knowledge and ultimately can debate the issues

for succinctly than anyone else. >> noel, what do you think of the current rise of the former speaker? >> well, i mean, you have to admit newt gingrich is the brainiak of the republican party. i attribute his bump in the polls due to his knowledge on history, on policy, on foreign affairs. you can't stump him to save your life. a lot of republicans are salivating over the fact that if he is a nominee, i will verbally annihilate president obama in a bait. >> it seems like the media has been trying to herman cain, newt gingrich. in other words, get two weeks of controversy. if they talk about his past, he did have a contract with america. he did organize a revolution, the first time in 40 years republicans became -- ran the house of representatives and he

was speaker. they did go from a deficit to a surplus. they did drop the unemployment numbers. so it seems if they talk about negative things from 12, 14 years ago, that is probably a good narrative for him, no? >> absolutely. you know, my fear in the newt gingrich deal, and i am going to get a lot of people that will be very upset with me, but my fear on the newt gingrich deal is that he will become the john mccain. they will look at him no matter what as the old guard and we will be back where we are on the 2008. and another backlash that can happen in a debate is maybe newt gingrich will be a little con desending or maybe he would appear like a no it all and make obama appear like an underdog and therefore people will feel sorry or obama, the underdog. >> mr. mayor, i don't see how the president overcomes the enact his record is so abysmal. he's now resort to go class

warfare, he's resort to go the republicans want dirty air and water. that doesn't seem like a very positive hope and message he used in gate, does it? >> i think barack obama will be a formidable candidate for re-election. it is clear the kinds of things he's attempted to achieve during the course of his term as the president have been many case been stopped or stymied by the republicans and -- >> whoa, whoa. he had congress for two years. he passed everything he wanted. he was successful in that regard. >> he was speck layerly successful in some of the things he want the. >> all of them. >> but ultimately, ultimately the implementation was just not there because the republicans stood in the way of it. >> but he blames -- you i know what? he blames bush, kiosks, atm and now he is blaming the american people. they are soft, they are lazy now. i don't think it is going to work, mr. mayor. offer great politician. you wouldn't call the people of

san francisco lazy now, would you? >> well, i don't think he referred to people as lazy. >> he did. >> in the way in which you are saying. >> yeah, he did. >> but i don't know that he meant it that way. he did not mean it that way. >>. [laughter] >> i think he meant where there are opportunities, some people are indifferent to taking advantage of those opportunities. >> if i say anything dumb i'm going to you and he would say hannity didn't mean they were lazy and stupid and soft, he meant this. i take him at his word. we are told he's a smart guy, mr. mayor. he said it, just like he said in your city that people are bitter and cling to their guns, bible and religion. >> i think he meant exactly that when he said that. but when a politician makes a comment, you have to take it within the context of the total presentation. you cannot pull it out and isolate as occasionally you do, sean. >> it's my fault. noel, i'll give you the last word. >> you know what? he is dead wrong.

obama has absolutely nothing to run on. he has done zip. we have actually paid the price of him getting presidential experience on our dime. he has got to be beaten. it's ridiculous, the fact that he is sitting there saying that obama has done a tremendous and fabulous and brilliant job. he has done zippo. >> you just take a look at the polls since you have been talking about them so much. every one of the potential republican nominees are second to obama in a heads-up and that's because of the people of the country support obama. >> mit romney is beating him ahead in two polls, sorry. >> and he can't get the nomination. >> yes, he can. >> the vote hasn't been cast yet. i any mit romney has been a front runner and remains a frontrunner. that's all there is to it. he has been the most consistent candidate. >> 25% of the vote? that's not frontrunner. >> nine candidates, for crying

out loud. that's pretty good. >>. [laughter] >> mr. mayor, if i get in trouble, i'm going to you. >> he won't beat him or anybody else. >> if i say something stupid, i'll let you run my defense. >> i would be happy to try. >> i'm holding you to that. >> all right, sean. >> now the heat is on for the president to request the resignation of his own attorney general yet the administration continues to turn a blind eye to all of those empty promises of accountability. and speaking of governor mit romney, exclusive interview with the former massachusetts governor on the campaign trail this monday night. don't miss it. jf

>> it's time for attorney general eric holder to step down according to a growing group of republicans who want holder to resign over his gross mishandling of a failed gun-running operation known as "fast and furious." the white house has consistently ignored such requests, despite

mounting pressure in recent weeks. but republicans are not staying no for an answer. yesterday 40 gop lawmakers sent a letter to the president pleading for him to ask for holder's immediate resignation. they were arguing, quote we ask you to fulfill this promise to the american people because, like you, they are upset and deserve answers. they also deserve accountability on behalf of their federal officials, especially those who are unelected like holder. now the white house has yet to respond to the most recent request. meanwhile holder returns to the hot seat next month when he it schedule today of it before the house judiciary committee about his role in the botched operation. but just how many blunders is he going to be allowed to get away with. joining me now, co-host of the five, she deals with beckel five days ago, the one and only -- is that a gun on your liberal shirt? >> it is. >> that is a gun. >> she's finally coming around. >> there's hope for you. you are a gun-toting liberal? >> i know. i bought it in excoillegally.

>> perfect. >> confess to some more crimes. >> first of all everyone acknowledges this was a dumb operation. as a liberal you acknowledge this is stupid. >> yes. >> you acknowledge this was dumb? >> of course it was. >> but the timeline here kimberly is what is important. holder denied any knowledge of it. then we found out that he bragged about it previously. then he said i only found out about it in recent weeks. then he said, well, weeks and months are pretty much the same to me. so he's obviously been lying and they have been stonewalling the investigative committees. >> this is conduct unbecoming. it's completely unprofessional. and the republicans are saying that he should step down. the numbers and the voices are growing loudner terms of call for his resignation. i can't believe we are having this conversation at this point. audacity for him to sit there and still be the most important, the highest-ranking justice law enforcement person in the country. >> why are you shake your head? >> think it's interesting that

not only are the republicans wanting his removal but the democrats are just keeping their mouth shut. nobody is saying anything whatsoever. why should eric holder be the fall guy when this was a huge operation? >> wait a minute. >> no, no, you do not -- >> he approved it and bragged about it -- >> sean, sean -- >> he's lying before congress. >> let me finish. when an investigation, an ongoing investigation goes on like this, it must go to the top and there must be a signature by the attorney general that he approves of this investigation. we have not seen that document. and it may not exist. >> on tape he is -- wait a minute. his own timeline is screwed up. because he bragged about it a long time earlier, number one. we have it on tape. number two, he said he didn't know about it in may and all of a sudden we find out, oops, he did know about it. >> why was this investigation even created though. >> because we have dead border agents because of criminal guns. >> no, because wet have drug cartels that are bringing drugs

across the border. we have mexicans who are running into our country because they are afraid of the drug cartels. >> the democrats don't want to build a fence, the democrats don't want to deal with with ill operations. >> they just found guns under somebody's house and car. they build a tunnel. >> but that's a separate issue. we are talking about the ethical behavior and at this point it appears unethical because he is either completely lying or he's incompetent. either way he should lose his position. >> that's point. >> he should no longer have the ability to stay there. >> the buck stops with him. he's the one that was in charge of this. how can you imagine he says no, i didn't know about it. then he tries to gun-walk it back. maybe i knew, but, wait, when i first learned about it is when it became a big issue in the press. what? this is a guy in charge? >> this is a large investigation. we are talking about, what, 20,000 weapons or 2,000? whatever it was, it was thousands of weapons. >> why is it the most transparent administration is

stonewalling congress? no, no, they are stonewalling. i talked to senator grassley. >> republican. >> and they are investigating it. >> republicans. >> and there is no oversight in government. >> they in charge. the committee. >> and the republicans want this administration to fall apart. >> but agents, tamara, people died because we supplied the guns and he about it. >> what was the reason for this investigation? because we wanted to solve the drug cartel problem in this country. >> no, the reason is we want to figure out why our guns end up in the hands of people that killed our agents. >> this is a witch-hunt on the democrats. >> if the democrats weren't stupid enough to do this we wouldn't have the investigation. you don't give guns to the enemy without at least putting a gps on it. >> they aren't the ones that created the programs. this is under eric holder, the department of justice, the attorney general. >> a bush did the same thing. >> no, he did not do the same thing. >> we just didn't have agents

die in his hand. now because two agents die then we -- >> why should he deny knowledge of it? is that lying or bad memory or incompetence? >> i don't know if i wouldn't consider it necessarily bragging. >> he's got to go. he doesn't have the facts right. this is a leading law enforcement person in the country this, is the best we can do? >> it's not the best we can do. >> have public responsibility. >> if he doesn't get his facts exactly right, he's lying. give me a break. >> how can you brag about a program without knowing about it. >> show me the ordering ofs. >> you obviously haven't read the facts of the case. >> he doesn't even have the investigations that he's in charge of these operations. >> we don't know the facts in their entirety. >> because he's sitting on the requests because he's refuse to go comply with court ordered subpoenas, withholding information. >> they aren't court ordered is. >> no, no. >> what happened to the greatest transparency, the most transparent administration in history. >> by law they have 25 years

from -- >> 25 years we are all dead. >> after an ongoing investigation has been completed they have 25 years before it is -- >> i'm going to be five dead in five minutes if you keep aggravating me like this. >> you have nothing to hide. it's the department of justice. that's the name on the door he works. the american people have the right to have the information and for him to step down. >> so disclose all the information about terrorism. >> no. >> that's highly classified. >> we have to go. >> disclose everything. >> i like your shirt. that's about it. i don't like your ideas. >> and the fbi pen. >> that's my old fbi pin. >> and the great, great american panel is coming up next. from the brand doctors recommend most by name. preparation h totables. the anywhere preparation h.

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vanderbilt university, author of "be the people," carol seen is back. the former great mayor of the city of providence, currently hosts his own radio program and author of "politics and pasta" buddy see cianci. peter schweizer points out in congress it is legal to do insider trading. everybody else goes to jail. >> they have done it consistently. the biggest example he gives in the book is when we had the financial crisis in 2008, the secretary of the treasury and bernanki met with a bunch of senators. >> and congressmen. >> and congressmen. he said he we are going to go off the cliff. so what do the senators do? they sell their trades. >> 90 trades in one day by one congressman. >> not good.

>> and our own senator of rhoded road -- rhode island traded the next day. we should have them pick up the phone every night and say what they learned from congress, call the general treasure where they live and say by this stock. >> they should not be able to trade on anything that they are overseeing at all. >> let me give you an example. nancy pelosi is getting ip os that hedge fund people can't get because of his position, and john kerry is writing healthcare legislation and investing in people who would be the beneficiary of his own legislation. >> it happens on both sides of the isle, and you can't forget about pelosi with her husband. you have to separate that. >> separate nothing. it was information in connection to it. >> the old man -- >> well, whatever it is. we are all in agreement they should be in a blind trust and they should have nothing to do

with it. >> there's a problem with a blind trust because someone can call and say this is happening. >> 20-20 vision. >> i agree that we should have something like a blind trust, but also that now that we know that this is going on, that there should be a legislative solution that would close the possibilities of it happening again. >> the best one is am-gen, when they found out it was not -- medicare was not going to honor payments for a certain cancer drug, kerry and the white house, they go down the next day, boom, they sell out because it was $10 billion that company was going to lose. but they are smarter than everybody else. and another interesting thing, when you look at how they did on markets, and peter does this in the books, number one, hedge funds beat the market by about 7%. u.s. senators beat the market by 12%. they are geniuses. >> why aren't they protesting,

carol, at 1600 pennsylvania avenue, in front of the capital, considering that is the cronyism beyond anything they are claiming. wall street they arrest you, handcuff you and put your picture in the paper. >> there are so many linkages to the democrats and the white house that they engaged in actions that they believed would help obama's re-election campaign. >> the democrats around that organize to organize protests in 45 cities across the country. i have been a part of this party for a long time. if they were, they would be calling me for money for it they aren't. i would imagine this is something that sprung up, it's grass roots. >> it's not grass roots. it's too organized. >> bloomberg said they were busted in new york yesterday. he said it and he's not a conservative. but here's my question. why won't obama, why won't democrats say this movement is not anything we want to be a part of? they endorse it had and they continue to endorse it after all

the rape, violence and criminality. >> not all democrats endorse it. >> many have. >> but it's a push-back on the policy that's been benefiting those people. >> whoa. and action of individuals -- they tried to do that with the tea party and you fought me on that. >> you know what i love about this? barney frank. a great congressman. he says i endorse, i think they are great people -- >> thank god for that. >> and where does he go? he goes to wall street to raise money the very same day. >> within a couple of weeks of the protests there was a website that had link toss union activities and it was a very slick website. >> so what. >> it was so well-organized. >> the union life is being threatened by republicans all over the country and they should be in the streets protesting every single day and knocking down barricades and seven cops are hurt. >> walker is going to be hearing from the union movement next year. >> i'll take that bet. more on great, great american

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>> the election starts january 3rd. >> lovely. >> i'm glad. this is like super bowl every day. and it's going to go very fast. you've got these new polls. the latest republican surging is gingrich. >> right. >> is he -- is this the final surge? >> well, in my opinion i think that it could be anybody's ballgame as far as romney or gingrich. gingrich it's how well organized is he? he's got some baggage but he has some smartest -- the smartest guy in the room and he lets everybody know it. >> if you have a student in your class, are they supposed to hide when they are smart? he can brag about it. >> he's thought about all of the issues. he would hit the ground running. i think he can overcome his baggage. >> i don't. he's peeking at the right time, though. he will probably win iowa. i don't see anybody coming close to him now in iowa.

thanksgiving next week, christmas and new year's. mitt romney is going to win new hampshire and we will see what happens in south carolina. >> the polled to it was 29-27. >> it's an outwire. i can't believe that's the poll. new hampshire votes for people they know. >> we had karl rove on earlier. they said the poll had -- the democratic boll, it's an outlier. why is that? >> mccain did so well there three years ago. >> and he never showed up for the interview with the manchester union leader. >> how could he. >> he skipped it. >> mit romney is the dream candidate of the left. >> why do you say that? >> why? >> i think they believe he would be the easiest person for barack obama to defeat, and should he slip by, he would be more palatable. >> just the opposite.

i think newt is the worst candidate. the thing you don't want is high expectations and a long record. >> i'm not middle of both of you here. i think either one of them are so infinitely better than obama. the problem for newt is his record. right track, wrong track, he's in the wrong direction. the economy is still awful. and likely to get worse. >> i think you are right. when he said, when they asked him, does the country, do you feel better off about yourself three years later? and he said absolutely not. and that's an ad waiting to happen. >> exactly. >> when you think about who is going to be the candidate, you've got to think there's about 193 votes or 194 electoral votes that the democrats have and the republicans have. it's the 145 swing states. and who can be the best