turn on to stocks business. i will be on the whole hour. >> gotta go. >> thanks, joe arks appreciate it. >> thanks, sandra smith, bill schulz and thanks to theriver ir questioning. that is how fox reports. huckabee is next. >> tonight on "huckabee." >> occupy wall street all day, all week. >> they are mad at wall street. but congress has 250 millionaires with nearly 60 of them among america's top 1%. are the occupiers barking up the wrong tree. and. >> eric holder has failed the american people. >> congressman allen west says the attorney general should quit over operation fast and furious and says the president should push him out. plus, he had dozens of the nation's most powerful politicians in his back pocket and played the game better than any one. >> at the end of the day, governor, it is all bribery. may not be called bribery in the law but it is bribery.

>> former lobby wrist and convicted felon jack abram move takes us inside the corrupt world of washington, d.c. >> a politician is with you when needs you and when you need him he is no where to be found. >> ladies and gentlemen, governor mike huckabee. [ applause ] >> mike: thank you, everybody. a great enthusiastic audience here in new york. and we welcome you to huckabee from the fox studios in new york city. thanksgiving is a time when we see our families and we see family members that we never see any other time of the year. when i was growing up in hope, arkansas, i had a very special relative who only visited over the holidays. during those annual visits he taught me a lesson that helped make me what i am today. one thing about the holidays that i most look forward to was the annual visit from my uncle garvin. garvin elder was my mother's half brother from her dad's first marriage.

and she was -- he was so much older than her that he was kind of like a grandpa to me and my sister. he was an accountant and a life long bachelor are from houston and quite an impressive figure whenever he arrived on the trailways bus. he actually owned stocks and he carried a real leather suit case with travel tags not like the little card board suit case that my family owned but we never used it because, well, we never went anywhere. and my uncle wore a suit. he wore a tie and a starched white shirt every day. in our town if you saw a man in a suit dressed like that it could only mean one thing, somebody had died. of course, over the holidays while my parents were at work uncle garvin was the only adult in the house. when he wasn't taking his daily unwreckable appointment with perry mason i would constantly pester him to play checkers with him. this was in the day before self-esteem classes and

helicopter parents. uncle garvin didn't realize how impoe heat even damaging it was to beat the daylights out of a young boy in checkers. he relished beating me over and over and over. of course, i hated losing to him but that just made me want to challenge him again. over time i gradually got better until i actually beat him sometimes. looking back i realize what a huge favor uncle garvin did for me by developing my competitive spirit. these days we built a whole society of handwringers that everyone gets a trophy no matter how poorly they perform. there is no incentive to work hard and get better. the same mind set that gave us incompetent ceos who crash companies and then run to the government for help because they are too big to fail wells for idiots in government who bail them out with money they confiscated from successful

people because it is not fair that they succeeded when others didn't. call me crazy but there is something to be said for competition and rewarding hard work, talent and intelligence. that is why every thanksgiving i say a little prayer of thanks for my uncle garvin and for all those long ago checker games. that is my story. you can tell me yours if you would like to. go to mike huckabee .com and click on the fox news feedback section and comment on my facebook page or sign up to follow me on twitter. this year, got something else to be thankful for. i know i have been showing you photos of my almost five month old grandson. i have another reason to be especially thankful. my daughter sarah and her husband gave us great news this week that in the spring of next year they will present us with our first grand daughter. so my baby girl is going to have a baby girl. a lot of great news around our house to be sure. occupy wall street protesters claim to be representing the 99% fighting the greed of the

1%. but who are the 1%? according to a report by the senate for responsive politics, 57 members of congress are among america's elite when it comes to personal wealth and a total of 249 representatives are millionaires. meanwhile, occupy sympathizer liberal filmmaker michael moore has a luxurious vacation home in an exclusive lakefront neighborhood in michigan worth about $2 million. in addition to a posh primary residence in new york. so to the protesters maybe have a gripe with the wrong people? joining me is ceo of euro pacific capital, peter schiff. welcome. >> good to have you here. >> thank you. >> mike: i wanted to tell everybody, peter, that we contacted michael moore's staff several times and asked him to come on the show. we never got an answer. >> well, if he knew i was going be on there is no way he would come. >> mike: i'm not sure he wants to answer some of these questions.

i want to be clear. i don't begrudge michael moore having nice homes and making the millions and millions he made from his films but i do begrudge that he is a hypocrit. he is a capitalist and makes things and gets profits from them and keeps enough of the profit to be a wealthy man. >> he understands his market, this socialist propaganda. he has to pretend that he is just as poor as the people who are seeing his movies but, of course, he is not. i think what really is crazy is when says that he sold roger and me originally for $3 million he claimed that he went to an accountant and said don't take any deductions, i want to pay as much as possible. nobody goes to an accountant to pay more. you can do that without an accountant. and then he said he doesn't believe in making money of a of money. he doesn't invest his money. so he doesn't want businesses to have access to capital? does he not understand where jobs and economic growth comes

from? he thinks earning money and then burying it in a hole in the ground makes you a good person? >> mike: he put it in things that went well above the hole on the shores of lake michigan. >> but bought a lot of stocks and invested in a lot of companies and pretended he wasn't doing it. we need savings and investment. that is what grows the economy. >> mike: i want to watch this sound clip. michael moore at occupy wall street talking to some of the protesters. >> i want to see the people responsible for destroying the lives of millions of people. >> i want to see the people responsible for destroying the lives of millions of people. >> in handcuffs. >> in handcuffs. >> and led away. >> and led away. >> and brought to justice. >> and brought to justice. >> immediately. >> immediately. >> mike: you know, i find it comical and not that he is saying it because he gets away with it but there are people who are so duped that they honestly believe that he is kind of their leader. and i want to say i tell you what, michael, release your tax

returns and let's see if you paid as much as you legally could and didn't take any detuckions. >> if you make your money making documentaries t is okay but if you do anything else. we ought to be going after congress. talk about all of the millionaires that are in congress and, of course, what bothers me is i want people, businessmen to make millions in the private sector and bring that experience and knowledge to washington. because they understand how the economy works, how business works and more importantly they understand how government taxes and regulations impedes economic growth and destroys jobs. the problem i have is when people go to congress and make their millions while still there and then leave and make millions more peddling influence with former colleagues. that is the problem. >> mike: you mean that actually happens, peter? i'm shocked that it does. we have another little clip i want you to react to. this is nancy pelosi talking about everybody paying a fair share. >> the most endearing american value is fairness, that is about everyone paying their

fair share. we all have a responsibility. the very idea that the disparity in income and the disparity of equity and evenership in our country has grown so great listen to ronald reagan when talked about how unfair it was for bus driver to be paying at the same rate as a millionaire. >> mike: according to congressional records nancy pelosi is worth over $35 million. if she believes that she is not paying enough, can't she write a check to the government and just say you know, this is way too much for me to be holding on to, let me let go of about 34.9 million of these dollars and that way i will be doing a fair share. >> of course. but i mean fairness isn't about making sure that the rich pay more. you noe, at one time in this country there was no income taxes at all. didn't even start until 1913. before that, the rich didn't pay any income taxes but neither did the middle class and the economy grew a lot faster because it is the money that the rich don't send to washington that is where the jobs come from.

that is where the prosperity comes from. having people send more money to washington is just going to drown the economy with government and regulation and achieve the exact opposite of what the protesters are trying to achieve at occupy wall street. >> mike: stick around because we will ask you to hang with us so we can do a little report card after the break. and when we come back, one of the things we will be grading is new gop frontrunner newt gingrich being on top, well t comes with heat and now the former speaker is dealing with questions about his relationship with mortgage relationship with mortgage company financial advice is everywhere. real, objective investing help? that's a little harder to find. but here's what i know -- td ameritrade doesn't manage mutual funds... or underwrite stocks and bonds. or even publish their own research. so, guidance from td ameritrade isn't about their priorities. it's about mine. straightforward guidance. that's what makes td ameritrade different.

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peter schiff is still with us and joining him former advisor to hillary clinton and fox news contributor jamu green and conservative comedian and fox news contributor steven crowder. good to have you all here. let me start with you. is the president sort of having a different tone with the occupy wall street protesters now than he did when started? >> well, i think that the most important tone that he is having with them is that he is their man on out inside. he is the one who is actually pushing an agenda through the executive decisions we have seen in the last few weeks there are really actually trying to get at why they are frustrated and really fearing their future. i give him a b plus on his handling of the occupy wall street. i wish that he hadn't had jay carney do all of the talking for him. i hear that the fbi was probably in the mix coordinating some of these evictions that happened but at the end of the day it is about real change. it is about getting to the

frustrations and he is making that happen better than -- >> mike: here is what he said. let's take a look. >> the most important thing we can do right now is those of us in leadership letting people know that we understand their struggles, that we are on their side and that we want to set up a system in which hard work, responsibility, doing what you are supposed to do is rewarded. >> mike: steven crowder you been to four cities looking at some of the occupy protests. did you see hard work, responsibility and doing what you are supposed to do? >> none of the above. and i give barack obama an a on this one actually for abject failure! i think it is important to note he will do what he always does. >> mike: jehmu almost picked you. >> she did, underneath the table. he likes to throw people under the bus. this is not the jeremiah wright or bill ayers. americans are sick of these

folks. americans are realizing you are talking about the democratic party who condemned the tea party when really agree with them or not they are mostly moms and dads providing peaceful protest trying to affect political change in washington. these folks are unemployed low lives who commit sexual defecating between deference on squad cars. >> you have also been down to the new york protests. react to jehmu. do you think this is a wonderful group of people with honest grief vances or a mob out of control. >> i have to give obama an f on principle for what he just said. he said we have to create a system that rewards hard work. we don't have to create anything. it was created by the founding fathers hundreds of years ago. he is destroying that system. capitalism rewards hard work.

he wants socialism. that is what a lot of the people occupying wall street want. if the president is advised to distance himself from that that is good advice. i think in his heart he wants to join them because that is what believes in and what he just said proves it. >> mike: newt gingrich has had an interesting week. his trajectory shot upwards. he is now getting blowback over financial dealings that he had with freddie mac. this time, steven, i will start with you. good week, bad week, and give him a grade ask. >> a good week for gingrich. at this point people want to see anybody but romney. i'm not saying that is me but a lot of conservatives feel he is not a genuine conservative. despite the media trying to say the tea party was racist, the romney has nothing to do with hats and holy underwear. they think newt might be a little more consistent but he has a little bit of baggage and we are seeing that with the tea party. i was at blog con and h his

discrepancies morally in the past are bit of a problem. making a cold front in his personal relationships. you are making a cold front with your wife and newt had a problem with that in the past. right now you are making a cold covenant with the american people. if they don't trust you with your wife they won't trust you with the american people. >> mike: peter, newt gingrich, give him a grade. >> i think taking $1.8 million from freddie mac is more than a little backage. he said guys like dodd and frank should be in jail. newt should be sharing that cell. he claims he was give than money as a historian. then he claims he was giving them advice on the mortgage market and the house. i don't believe that for a second. he was doing one thing. selling islamist his influence.

a lot of republicans were starting to bring heat on them and so they brought on newt gingrich to defray that and so they could keep on doing what they were doing to help blow up the housing market. making a lot of money, ultimately setting the stage for a collapse and all the bailouts and i don't see how newt gingrich can criticize that if he was an interral part of it. >> that has to be muse toig your democratic ears. what do you respond and give newt a grade on how his week has gone. >> i'm giving newt the same grade that he gave president obama. he gets a b must for a number of reasons. first, he has taken the attention away from the mtv episode of punks we have been dealing with for the past two weeks with herman cain. thank you for that. second because he is saying because i'm now a frontrunner bring on the scrutiny. i love it when the presidential candidate says bring it on. put a piece up on his website saying let me address these attacks proactively. when you go through the list of the attacks that he is addressing proactively when the american people start to dig

back into him, he already crumbled under the scrutiny after a little bit of time when first came out the gate. i think the b will last or a week or do and then probably move down to a d or f and be replaced by someone else. >> mike: i give all of you an a candidng here and being scan and honest and giving us answers that we will have to think about for awhile. former representative allen west had strong words for attorney general eric holder and his boss president obama. the congressman joins me next.

target eric holder has take and lot of heat for his operation

fast and furious. the program allowed criminals from mexico to buy assault weapons in order to track them down. at least one were used by mexican drug car tells to kill a border agent last december. holder was grilled in a congressional hearing last week over his knowledge of the program. he testified he didn't know about the operation and it was not directly tied to terry's death and passed on the opportunity to apologize to terry's family. florida's allen is west is one of the dozens of congressmen who believe that holder is not telling the wole truth. >> if the president does not agree with that stance perhaps the president of the united states of america is also complicit in this horrible tragic event operation fast and furious. >> mike: congressman allen west is joining me now. congressman, thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> mike: you have called for the resignation of eric holder. do you think it is going to happen?

>> well, i would pray that it would happen. i would hope that we would have people that would step up to the plate and sew some semableance of honor and integrity and character because it is not just operation fast and furious. goes back to february of 2009 when attorney general holder said that america was a nation of cowards. we saw how poorly he handled the new black panther voter intimidation case. the fact that we see the attorney general bringing lawsuits against sovereign states. i think s the coupe degras. >> there was a lot of controversy over attorney general alberto gonzales and had to do with the firing of u.s. attorneys and there were calls for his resignation and he eventually did resign. democrats are saying this is

retaliation that it is not so much that holder has done something wrong but that the republicans are trying to pay them back for what happened to gonzalez. react to that. >> that is a horrible stance to take because that is trying to use relativism. this is not about relativism. this is about someone doing something that was absolutely wrong. when you are the attorney general and there is the department of justice there s a semblance of standards to maintain. they put weapons in the hands of mexican drug cartels and many meteorologist can citizens died. we are still puckin picking ups on raids. and the fact that brian terry lost his life, someone has to be held responsible. growing up in the u.s. military, i learnd that leaders take responsibility. >> mike: in republicans led it

slide i'm sure the president would be thrilled not to hear about it any more. he is going into the middle of a tough election season. if republicans keep pressing on eric holder's conduct and specifically on the death of brian thery, that is knotting something he will want. are republicans going to keep pushing for this and in what way do you expect the president to respond to that? >> we will continue to push ton through hearings and also as well as us respected members of congress continuing to bring this issue forward. i think it is very heinous that the mainstream media is not covering this. there comes a time when the media has to stop pry trying to provide cover for this administration being solyndra for the fact that the president canceled the keystone exxon oil project. this resulted in the death of an american and someone has to be held accountable and it goes to the top with eric holder and if it goes higher than that then we need to investigate that as well.

>> mike: congressman west thank you for joining us. we will keep our eye on this situation to see does the attorney general decide to take the level of responsibility and will he do the president a favor and walk the plank. >> after thanksgiving. >> mike: thank you very much, congressman. he was at the center of washington's biggest corruption scandal in decades and played politicians and his clients for millions. the notorious ja

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find out more. sign up for the facebook page or follow me on twitter. washington always had its share of crooked characters and corrupt cronies. an influencial lobby wrist. jack abr abramov was a master t making deals. he was convicted of bribing washington's heat with lavish gifts in exchange for political favors including favorable legislation and tax breaks for his clients. >> he gave things of value to public officials including foreign and domestic trips, campaign contributions, excessive meals and entertainment and other things of value all with the intent and at times with the understanding that the public official would act to benefit abramov or his clients.

>> mike: the lust for power and money caught up with abramov. kevin spacey played him in the movie casino jack. >> i got a phone call from the chief of the kickapoo. eeoc wants to meet with bush about oil drilling month. i told him it will cost him a million a month retainer. >> did he get that in the endzone? >> he loves what we have done with the chippewa. >> if that is true you make him show you the money fast. >> show me the money! >> give me five. keep it under the radar. >> abramov and his associates collected tens of millions of dollars in fees from poor indian tribes while in some cases working separately to shut down their casinos. in 2006, abramov was convicted of fraud and conspiracy. also convicted with him, two white house officials, ohio congressman bob nay and nine other lobby gifts and congressional aides.

jack served three and a half years in federal prison for his crimes. he has also written a fascinating new book called capital punishment. i spoke to jack earlier. when was the first time that you recall crossing the line as a lobby wrist and getting into something that could be criminal behavior. >> when i was a lobby wris lobi didn't think i was crossing lines. that is the problem. >> mike: you never thought. >> no, i never thought i was crossing lines. the problem is, first of all, lines are drawn in a way that is kind of murky as you know in that business so you are never quite sure where the line is and also the way i operated unfortunately in those days i was hyper aggressive and i wanted to win, win, win. and i stopped caring where the lines were. and that was a problem. >> mike: once you were arrested and indicted, put on trial, there had to be a put at which obviously where you said you know what, i have really done

some horrible things. when did that happen? >> after it happened and it was clear to me i wasn't coming back when it first happened when i was first i guess when senator mccain first took my e-mails and started making them public and the justice department started getting involved i told my lawyers go to the justice department with everything and show them everything. i don't think i have done anything horrible here i'm basically a lobbyist and let's sort it out and see what it is and get this over with. and then we started going through my e-mails and i started looking at things. they had 850,000 e-mails i had sent over the course of a little less than ten years. lot of e-mails. >> mike: yeah, it is. do you wish you hit the delete button a little more often. >> i sort of am the poster child for don't write in an e-mail anything you don't want to read on the front page of

the washington post. anyway, i started seeing what i had done and looking back at t didn't look to kosher to me. >> mike: you are not a big fan of senator john mccain, that is clear from the book capital punishment but also clear i think from some of the things that he has said about you. why did he have it out for you? >> well, i don't know. i never had a chat with him about it but i think i represented a sort of wing of the party that he disdained, a conservative unabashed conservative uncompromising wing of the party. so idealogically we were in different places. he had his sort of cadre of lobbyists that he loved and helped. i wasn't one of them. they turned out to be my competitors unfortunately. and finally when ran for president in 2000 i did everything i can do to keep him from squeezing money out of my clients and winning the race.

>> mike: talk about the fact there are lobbyists galore. 35,000 registered. that does not include the people who are not technically lobbyists but consultants and partners in law firms and rainmakers. jack, the system is pretty corrupt. >> horrible. >> mike: are there people in high places of power now that are as corrupt as you turned out to be? >> well,. >> mike: and that is a blunt question but i mean -- >> i think that the problem is not those that are crossing these murky lines in the sand like i did because frankly you will find a small percentage of people who push that envelope so far that they feel they have to even cross that line. the problem is where the line is. the problem is what is illegal. and while people would be engaged in things that are not illegal and they are not breaking the law as we look at them as american citizens from the outside we are aghast that this is illegal and that is rife in the system.

>> mike: some of the thing for which you got in trouble clearly crossed a legal line but if we examine the ethical beliveor of not just lobbyists but congress and a whole lot of people most americans would be dumb founded. >> all of those folks should be barred completely from not only giving campaign contributions but any gratuity or favor or anything. that is essential. at the end of the day, governor, it is all bribery. ated end of the kay giving a campaign contribution or buying they will dinner or talking them to the ballgame it is bribery. may not be called bribery in may not be called bribery in the law right now but it is [ male announcer ] you love the taste of 2% milk.

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>> mike: you said ban all of the cam tape contributions from people who are -- campaign contributions from people who are lobbyists or representatives. is that ever going to happen? >> well, the only way any of this stuff that i talked about in the book is going to happen is if the american people continues to rise up like they did in the last election with the tea parties and throws these guys out. the people who won't do something about this. if that doesn't happen, unfortunately, no it won't happen. instead with happens is fake reform efforts where they come and put bills forward that don't mean a thing and pat each other on the back and find a jack abramoff and throw him in

prison and all cheer and meanwhile nothing is fixed. >> mike: there were people that were harsh with you that had done business with you. how did it make you feel when they abandoned you to let you out there and twist in the wind. people who took trips with you. i know it is a tough question and i'm sure you have been asked many times. are there some people that particularly hurt you, i'm talking about hurt you in the sense of they were friends and willing to be seen with you until the day that you got in trouble and then they didn't know you at all. >> yeah, sure. sure, there were. ultimately they are all politicians and a politician is with you when needs you and when you need him he is no where to be found. >> mike: who hurt you the most? who bothered you? >> hard to pick, find somebody to pick out. >> mike: give me a few. >> i try not to focus on it because the thing is for my own personal growth from the bottom of the pit i was in and even in the book i do talk a little bit about individuals but i'm

trying to if h focus on a systd for me to name people and go after people i just don't -- i just haven't been doing it. >> mike: you mentioned some people. let me say a couple. senator ben knighthorse campbell as well as kent conrad. you mentioned and i want to make this point. it was not just -- this is not a democratic problem, it is not a republican problem. if there is one thing in washington that is bipartisan it is corruption. is that a fair statement? >> well, put. >> mike: maybe the only thing that is bipartisan p. >> maybe the only thing they agree on. >> mike: i don't see sometimes a lot of difference in the way that either of the parties once in power kind of the way they play the game. >> everybody is a human being and there are certain lures for are a human being and certain entrapments that we get into and this is the case here and we a system that is unfortunately set up so that human beings fall into the pits. and not everybody will necessarily fall into the pit.

there are some exceptions but why have a system where it is set up that people are going to do what is ultimately immoral. >> mike: what about term limits. >> essential. >> if people had a limit where they leave, washington, and go home. >> i was against it as a lobbyist obviously. i would say i was against it because we want people to have the right to vote for whomever they want. the truth is i was against it because once you gained influence in a congressional office and spent your money to gain that influence you don't want to have to start all over again. lobbyists are totally against it. if we don't have it there is no way to clean up the system. >> mike: power and money are the two things that sort of fuel the political environment particularly in washington. which of those is the more intense lure that is the most dangerous that you found for your life and that you see in others? >> i think power is by far more of a lure in washington than money. money is a lure but it is mainly to obtain a certain lifestyle and obtain a certain power position. people are all about appearances in washington so

the money comes into play there. they don't live in the way that perhaps some of the more wealthy people in the world do. poured concreter is heavily concentrated there and one of the things essential and the only way really to fix things is so somehow get rid of the kind of things washington is doing and diffuse that power and send it back to the states because the more poured concreter that they have the more things they are doing the more lobbyists you will have. you have to have the 35,000 lobbyists because they are doing 350,000 not 3.5 million things. there is plenty of business for the lobbyists because of the power centralization. >> mike: the book is called capital punishment. jack abramoff called everything from pond scum to creep. he did some bad things, he is not a bad person and he has important things to say about how to fix the culture of corruption that has become our political system and i hope we pay attention to it.

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>> mike: well, he is the most famous cellist in the world but you have never heard him the way you are about to hear him now. part of a new project inspired by bluegrass but much different. welcome yo-yo and his new band the goat rodeo sessions. what a pleasure and honor are to have you here. >> thank you. thank you. the obvious question is where on earth do you get the title the goat rodeo sessions? >> governor, you i think know what it means because you said it was an aviator term. it is.

but what a is it doing with music? >> tell us what it means in aviation. >> mike: in aviation if you talk to air force guys a goat rodeo is when everything there is like hundreds of things that all have to go right in order for something to come out successfully. and it is virtually what they are saying is it is an impossibility. i guess what you are saying is that the music you have crafted is almost an impossibility to put together. why? >> why? because well, you just defined it. because on paper we might not seem to be the band that is going to make wonderful music together. but we had one thing going for us. >> mike: what was that? >> a couple of things. first thing is these are some of the nicest human beings on the planet. and that value. >> mike: not chris. >> chris is second. >> mike: in the second tier. >> in addition to which

generosity of spirit and great virtuosity. it is a level playing field when we work together and only in america i think can we have a band like this that really decided to work together because we wish to do so and, yes, it is as much inspired by bluegrass or classical music but really inspired by friendship. >> mike: the album so incredibly fantastic. the goat rodeo sessions wit withing" here in heaven." ♪

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>> mike: my heartfelt thanks to yo-yo ma and all of the fests on today's show. i hope you and your family have a wonderful and blessed thanksgiving holiday. until next time from the fox news studios in new york, good night and god bless and happy