good morning, i'm jon scott. >> reporter: not clear but looking better than it did. i'm jaime colby in for jenna lee. take a live look at cairo where tens of thousands of protestors continue to flood tahrir square. right now they are chanting, leave, leave. the massive crowd calling for the immediate end to military rule and they are now getting some support from the white house. the united states has been urging egypt's military leadership to transfer power to a civilian government as soon as possible. this comes after weeks of violence claiming dozens of lives. jon: those three young americans are expected to be released from custody today after it ae appeared egyptian authorities would let them go home yesterday. they were arrested during a protest. they are accused at throwing fire bombs at security forces. fox news has been talking to the families of these students as

they anxiously await word. jennifer griffin is live in washington. so do we know anything more about how soon they will be released, jennifer? >> reporter: well, jon, a u.s. embassy spokeswoman in cairo said the three american students are still being processed by the egyptian authorities, and in fact she added that she did not know where the three americans were at this stage. an egyptian court gave the parents of the three men who were studying at the american university of cairo the best thanksgiving gift any parent could hope for. we spoke to derek's mother, joyce sweeney. >> hopefully by thanksgiving day they would all be free, however, the paperwork process still has not been completed, but we are in -- we did get to speak to derek again last evening, and that was such -- such a high point of our thanksgiving.

>> reporter: she this is her son will go straight to the airport when he is released and the embassy is working on a passport and other paperwork to leave as we speak. jon: what about the other families of the other two, have we heard from them. >> reporter: my colleague steve centanni spoke with the father of luke gates. he had this to say. >> we're just ecstatic. we are just so happy, so happy for the other boys as well, and their families. >> continue be a nicer thanksgiving. >> absolutely not. >> and you have a lot to be thankful for. >> yes, very much so. >> reporter: we spoke to a state department spokesman moments ago who could not tell us the exact status of the three students. the assumption is that they will be on their way home very soon, jon. jon: jennifer griffin in washington. thanks. >> reporter: let's share with you a timeline that is sparking today's protest.

after the overthrow of tunisia's president the first in the arab spring, antigovernment protests began across egypt. then february 11th hosni mubarak teps down on a military council forms to run that country. november 18th frustrated with military rule and the lack of democratic reforms massive protestsee represent in tahrir scare square again. today the new prime minister chosen by military rulers is speaking live on tv, that happened a short time ago. we'll go to reena ninan. a lot going on in the region. former u.s. ambassador to the united nations john bolton will weigh in. jon: there is new fallout of the failure of the super committee to reach a deal. many state legislators will be forced to slash their budgets

within weeks, just in time for the holidays. chief washington correspondent james rosen live at the white house to explain all of that, james. >> reporter: good morning, as president obama prepares to begin campaigning in earnest early in the new year he'll be stumping in a number of states where the automatic federal spending cuts, triggered by the failure of the super committee will impact voters much earlier than the 2013 target date that the super committee was working with. members of congress have a whole year until 2013 to come up with an alternative to the 1.2 trillion in cuts to pentagon and domestic programs, but their counterparts in the 50 state capitols don't have that same window. governors and state legislators must approve their budgets by next spring as "the washington post" pointed out yet and those state budgets will overlap with the federal budget into which congress will be inserting the super committee's automatic cuts. that means in richmond, virginia, for example, where lawmakers and citizens rely heavily on pentagon spending,

federal contractors and other key players anticipating the coming splash to pentagon spending, roughly $600 million will pull back on their own spending early. that will mean accelerated layoffs and budget strains. it will also likely mean a more possible till environment for politicians seeking re-election. >> they are going to get stopped at the supermarket, and stopped at the gas station, and people are going to recognize them and put a bug in their ear about doing something. i think that they may well return to washington with the notion that they've got to do something in december that the typical voter realizes is pog in some way. now, the republicans and the democrats have very different ideas about how that should be done. >> reporter: maryland is another state that will be hit hard and early by the automatic cuts occasioned by the super committee's failure. it's estimated 30% of maryland's budget relies on federal spending. maryland is a state that president obama carried by 25 points three years ago.

jon. jon: it will be interesting to see what happens. james rosen, thank you. also at the white house right now, we are awaiting the delivery of the official white house christmas tree. mrs. obama will accept delivery of this 18 1/2-foot balsam fur from the state of wisconsin. in these as you tere times there is no taxpayers money involved. it's going in the blue room. if you've ever been to the white house at christmas it's a magnificent sight when the tree goes up. it will pretty much fill up the room. it's coming and we'll take you there live when they actually get the tree to the white house door. >> reporter: should be beautiful. the race to the white house. the gop field of contenders is pretty crowded, it still is despite the emergence of a few frontrunners, other candidates are barely blips in the polls.

they are pressing on, no one is dropping out. why are these so-called second chair candidates staying in the race for the republican nomination? how do they do it financially. let's bring in doug schoen, and brad blakeman. doug, i guess it pays to stay in and you really don't have to spend that much yet, advertising wise? are the debates really what these candidates count on? >> when you have 20 or 25 debates, jaime, yes, you're absolutely right. the other thing about politics there is more than one job at stake. there is the presidency, but the vice president see, cabinet, ambassadorships, and i suspect this a good number of these candidates recognize that they are not going to win, but have other ambitions that they believe continuing their ca

candidacies will benefit. >> reporter: what do you think is going on behind the scenes, and if you know please tell. >> i don't know. i can surmise after being in several political presidential races myself is that nobody is talking about anything but for the presidential race at this point. those who are getting a free ride, the second and third tier candidates are doing so for exactly the same reasons that doug is saying. they get the ability to appear at these debates. they don't have to organize, fund raise, all they have to do is show up. soon all good things come to an end and we have a caucus coming up in january in iowa followed less than a week by a primary in new hampshire. i think after that you'll see a lot of these folks disappear because it's not going to be in the interest of the first-tier candidates to have these guys sticking around much longer. >> reporter: when you look at the candidates who are in right

now and the despair a tee of the amount of money raised by some, the potential informant runners at the moment and others, what is the best strategy for how you spend that money and when? >> it depends from candidate to candidate. rick perry has raised a lot more money say than newt gingrich and rick perry has gone down largely because of inept debate performance. newt is now starting to raise money because of his performance in the debates, and i suspect he's going to spend his money late, and in iowa, because ultimately if newt wins iowa the whole race changes. >> reporter: i'm got to leave it there, you know why? the christmas tree has arrived at the white house. we say goodbye to you guys. jon: fox news alert. look at that. >> reporter: how classy an arrival is that? jon: oh, christmas tree. what a great sight. there at the white house the official white house christmas

tree has just arrived, drawn by, well, horse-drawn carriage i guess you'd call it. wagon, a couple o of clydesdales. there is bo. bo and the obama girls are there to receive the official white house christmas tree. this is an 18 1/2-foot tall balsam fur from wisconsin. wisconsin hasn't provided a white house tree in a while, since 2003. >> reporter: seven times they've been from wisconsin. you've brought up an interesting point that the farmers that farm this tree, and it was planted two decades ago i read, they have to pay to get it to washington, but it must be an honor. jon: i'm guessing they didn't carry it by horse-drawn wagon the entire way. it sure made its arrival in style. the national christmas tree

growers pay for this. no taxpayer money involved. >> reporter: we'll go inside the white house, and we are happy for the holiday season, to say the least. jon: going into the blue room. speaking of colors, this is black friday. right now shoppers are out in full force all across the country, parking lots, stores, isles, packed with people in cars. the folks are outlook for great deals on holiday buys. outlet malls no exception offering great discounts to bring in as many people as possible. sandra smith live at the chicago premium outlets in aurora, illinois, how is the shopping going there, sandra. >> reporter: i can tell you with confidence people are out. they've been shopping. we've been out here since 4:00am central time reporting on black friday. this is a line to get into the coach outlet store, okay. it's ending about here right now, it was probably about twice that at 4:00 in the morning, believe it or not. these folks are all filing in for the big deals, the hot

deals. i'm even told by this gentleman who works for coach, he actually says they are keeping some of their handbags off-site because they are selling out at the store. i've been talking to guys. are you guys shopping at coach today? >> she is. >> reporter: do you know what you're going to purchase when you go in. >> not yet. >> reporter: how much are you willing to spend today? >> i don't know yet. >> reporter: you don't know yet. anybody else, are you guys going to spend more this year are than last year. >> i'm going to spend a couple hundred. >> reporter: you're going to spend a little bit more. >> i'll spend 500 or so. >> reporter: all right, all right. sales have been pretty good so far, and you're working for coach. >> yes i am. >> reporter: the lines have been long. there are outlet stores, there is everything from tommy hilfiger. national federation, jon says that folks are probably going to spend a couple percent more than they did last year, and a lot of people are going to be shopping

this week, 152 million americans are going to be shopping this weekend. that would be record-breaking numbers, about 10% more than last year. so, we'll see, we are in the thick of it right now and the crowds are definitely lining up. jon: you have the festive holiday coat to do this assignment. >> reporter: i do, i do, i do. trying to stay warm here, jon, it's cold, you know chicago. jon: i understand that. you're outdoors i guess there. all right. thanks, sandra. >> reporter: we have to give you new information on that tragic plane crash we reported on yesterday. it killed a father on history children. they were headed for a thanksgiving weekend in arizona. we'll bring you the very latest on the search. jon: also, we overindulge during the holidays, cocktails here and there. >> reporter: rile. jon: some folks are known to that. all the parties, you could end up with more than a buzz, if you're not careful. dr. manny is joining us to tell

us about something called holiday heart syndrome. >> reporter: he's spry, he doesn't have it. come on doc. we know why we're here.

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jamie: this just in to fox news. a judge in aruba has refused to extend the dissension of gary giordano. he is a suspect in the disappearance of a woman. the prosecution's office is not happy about that. they want him held over and they have filed an immediate appeal. if anything happens on that, and if it develops further we will we certainly let you know. gary giordano not held any

longer after the 29th according to a judge in aruba in the disappearance of robyyn gardener. jon: you might be feeling a little bit of the thanksgiving hangover from the feast yesterday. for those who had a couple too many glasses of wine there is a warning out there. doctors warn of holiday heart syndrome. dr. manny virginia re manny alvarez is here to tell us more about it. >> a study clearly shows that we are entering the peak season for heart attacks. december 26th probably being the biggest day where everybody high school a heart attack. jon: that is not from opening your christmas gifts. >> absolutely not. it has to do with a phenomenon that occurs when people binge drink. when you drink a lot of alcohol you dehydrate yourself, you lose a lot of electrolytes. what happens is if you have a

big meal remember your digestive process needs a lot of blood in the intestines. the heart can't meet the demand. you get an abnormal electrical short-cut and that loads to strokes and heart attacks. that is something that is quite common. the key here is, you know, binge drinking is a no-no. number two, also if you're going to a festive environment try to pre hydrate yourself, especially the day before. thing about things with electric lights, so you have enough sodium and potassium in your system. don't do any excessive drinking and eating combination. at the end of the day if you have underlying medical conditions you can end up with a stroke or a heart attack. jon: another issue this time of year, i guess really all times of year, some people who drink too much might pop a couple of tylenol in their systems and there is a warning there. >> look, tylenol and anything that has a set t the

ingredients in it, you have to realize that this is a medication, if you sake any combination of products. again there are many generic forms of tylenol also. if you stagger tylenol on a continuous basis you build up the amount of chemicals in your bloodstream and uplt math lee this is a very toxic chemical, it can damage your liver and it continues to be one of the leading causes of liver failure among many people. you have to be very careful. don't stagger that specific time of chemical, it's not a candy. alternate and make sure that you look at the d objection ses, and the ingredients in the package. all of these medications now in the holidays again they become very readily usable and you can get really hurt. jon: things like nyquil. >> a thousand milligrams of

acetometaphen. jon: they take tylenol, and nyquil. >> and late dose of alcohol, not good. jamie: the man alternate the center of the sexual assault case, jerry sandusky, could he be taken into custody? we'll take a closer look at the case with our legal panel, that is next.

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jamie: an update now on a terrible tragedy in arizona we reported on yesterday. crews still searching for remains now in the wreckage of a small plane crash near phoenix. it was a two-engine plane.

it slammed into a cliff in the mile high superstition mountains on wednesday, actually caught on camera it burst into a fireball, you can see it here. all six people on board were killed, including the pilot and history young children. so far crews have recovered the body of one child. the family was headed for thanksgiving weekend to southeastern arizona. our condolances to the family. jon: ready, set, buy, customers are bursting into stores early this morning, officially kicking off the christmas shopping season. there they go, stampede. many of them lined up for hours, even days to take advantage of the best black friday deals. we are seeing a lot of those at the big chain stores. how about small businesses? what are they looking like today? peter doocy live from bethesda row in bethesda, maryland. >> reporter: the attitude here is totally different.

look around. i had more than one person come and ask me this morning why we even had sam ras here on the sidewalk. when i told them it was for black friday they seemed surprised. the busiest shopping dave the year not on the minds of people here. if you look behind me it's pretty representative of small town america. there are no big stores, there are a lot of small ones. there have not been any long lines outside shops at any point today. there are a lot of people who are shopping. even though this kind of a place is quiet, there is not a lot of chaos like you've seen in other places the retailers here do think that they are doing okay. >> i'm crossing my fingers. we are already up from last year at the same time in the morning, so hopefully we're going to beat our numbers. my girls better beat their numbers. so, yeah, i think we'll beat them. >> we are pretty happy with the way it's going. we had a line at 9:00am. we opened an hour early. we are happy with the sales

we've had. we have a lot of merchandise, we are full, it's a good way to unload merchandise to our good customers and give them good discounts and kickoff the holiday season. >> reporter: those business owners also say that the people who are lining up in the middle of the night outside best buy and outside target and outside wal-mart are not their normal clientele so they don't think that all the action away from her at malls, outside, places that have big parking lots are going to hurt them on this black friday, jon. jon: tomorrow is supposed to be this thing called small business saturday. i imagine they are looking forward to that, huh? >> reporter: it's interesting, tomorrow the second annual small business saturday. it's a day where people are encouraged to go out and support their independently-owned local businesses. they are looking forward to that. the business owners are clear that today is the kickoff for the holiday shopping season. they call it black friday, because today is the day traditionally that a lot of the businesses get out of the red and into the black, they finally start making money. you look around, it might look

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jon: in case you need another reason to head out and hit the stores on black friday, it is great shopping weather outside for a whole lot of the country. maria molina live in the fox weather center with details. the snow is not keeping people indoors most places, huh? >> reporter: that's right, jon. not a whole lot of snow across the country, so as you head outdoors and get in your car headed toward the mall, we're not looking at weather-related delays on the roadways. a lot of sunshine from the northeast to the southeast, high pressure keeping control of the weather and keeping things very nice with pleasant temperatures. you may head out early in the morn with your coat and later you're holding it in your hand. as we head welcome back, that's where we have some -- westbound,

that's where we have some unsettled weather. we have a second storm across portions of the four corners bringing in some showers already early today and even some isolated snow showers, but that's really along high elevations, so we're not expecting a whole lot of problems with slippery roadways. they are an issue further off to the north where we have that second snow system. most to have snow will continue to wind down across portions of the cascades. now, as the storms head east, they're going to combine into one across the center of the country, and it's going to continue to head eastbound, and for everybody that's, basically, headed back home saturday or sunday, that's when we're looking at potential for some travel problems. by saturday afternoon we're going to be looking at rain from the great lakes to the south, the heaviest along the mississippi valley, so that's where we could be looking at some of the bigger problems.

by sunday, colder air filtering in behind that, so you going to see a big drop in temperatures once that front does move through your area, and on sunday afternoon into the evening we're going to be looking at rape from the southeast -- rain from the southeast, expected across parts of the southeast and also the tennessee valley. and you know what, jon? i wouldn't be shocked if we were looking add some localized flooding. jon: that doesn't sound like fun. >> reporter: everybody be safe. jon: good idea. maria, thanks. jamie: we're covering new developments in the horrific sex abuse scandal that has rocked penn state university. one california lawmaker has an idea, wants to make sure that it doesn't happen in his state, so he's introduced a bill that requires all college-level coaches and athletic directors to report any child abuse they witness to the proper authorities. now, there are some laws in place for this, he wants tougher ones. and if they don't, they should

face, he says, harsh consequences. dan conaway is a former prosecutor, and eric is a defense attorney. both sides represented here. gentlemen, good to see you both, thank you. >> good morning. >> thank you, jamie, good morning. jamie: eric, there are some federal requirements to protect students. i think this college-level initiative is good, i think it should start even younger than that. there should be no way these things shouldn't be reported. but what do you think about the initiative? obviously, california is a little cash-strapped right now, but shouldn't we have this across the board? >> it's a fantastic idea in theory. here's the problem. specifically, california where this legislation is coming from, they have financial problems. they can't even keep lindsay lohan in jail. so the problem is it's a great idea in theory. we need to have stronger, better reporting requirements, but california, what they're doing is they're releasing people from jail. they don't have the money, the time or the resources to keep more people in jail right now,

and i think it's going the fail at this point in time because of financial issues. jamie: dan, other states are taking a look at this, and one of the thoughts is to extend the statute of limitations on these cases. can you explain -- can you not always, because some of these kids that allege that they were molested are adults now, obviously. what is the statute of limitations? is there one? >> well, it depends upon what the allegation is. if you're talking about the most severe allegations, the many times there aren't statute of limitations or they're extraordinarily long, 15, 20 years or more. so if you have something that's a capital offense, there generally is not one. so it depends upon the state. for instance, in the state of georgia, rape is generally a capital offense. but if it's sexual battery, something more of a misdemeanor nature or lower-grade felony, there may be a statute of limitations. just as far as this concept in california is concerned, i would flip it around from the point of view that i think it's

potentially problematic from the point of view that it goes against basic principles of anglo-saxon law, that is that you're not forced to report a crime. excuse me. or forced to intercede. but there's a difference here, and that is it involves children. so if someone in a scholastic setting at the college level actually does see child abuse going on where the victim is a child, then i think that type of a reporting requirement is constitutional, and i don't think, i don't think there's an issue with that. and i think all in all it's a very good initiative. jamie: i think that -- >> jamie, can i add something? jamie: eric, let me ask you this because we have to get to the case at hand. jerry sandusky is not behind bars. a judge who actually was involved to some extempt, it is reported, in the organization that he is believed to have encountered some of these boys was something that she had contributed to and volunteered for. this is a small community.

state college, pennsylvania, i'm sure the legal community as an attorney i know judges know lawyers, and we all get to know each other and are familiar. what about the jury there? how will they find a jury in state college if this is where this case takes place? do you think a change of venue would be required by the attorneys, and would the prosecution agree? >> well, i don't think the prosecution's going to agree, but i think that the defense will definitely attempt to change the venue, and they're going to need to. you can win these cases. these cases are not impossible to win. i have tried a lot of cases like this. the problem is you don't want to put a fox on a goose's jury. you have to be honest, you have to be straightforward with these jurors. you walk into that courtroom, and it's a child molestation allegation, the jury hears those allegations, they're looking at your client and myself like they smell something foul, and you have to deal with that. and you have to explain to them that innocent people can get arrested, and it happens all the time. jamie: but, dan -- >> in a case like this -- jamie: go ahead.

finish your thought, please. >> you don't have much physical evidence because it's an old case. you've got accusations and eyewitnesses, and some of them have motives and bias, and there's a lot that can be attacked. and trying a case without physical evidence is very, very difficult for the prosecution. the media hype, that's a problem. but it can be overcome, and you need to deal with it, and you need to address it with a jury. jamie: dan, that'll be for the defense side of the case to do, certainly, but jerry sandusky explains that he has an affection for these young men and not in a sexual way, he says. he says that he, basically, volunteered for this organization and was involved in it, so if he were to take the stand and explain to a jury that what he did he feels is right, given what you've heard so far how does a jury analyze that? >> well, um, i think that mr. sandusky has one basic issue in that case. i don't know that with his

particular frame of reference that that's going to, ultimately, work at a trial. i don't know that his defense lawyers will certainly recommend he do that. i really agree more with what eric's saying, and that's, basically, this is a case with no physical evidence, so that's going to be the the issue is, really, to attack the eyewitness accounts and potential biases and accuracy and reliability. on the flip side, for the prosecution although there is no physical evidence and a strong lack of that, there is eyewitness testimony. and quite frankly, in some of these cases as a prosecutor you don't each have that. even have that. jamie: interesting. >> in this case i think the prosecution does have a case against mr. sandusky, certainly mr. sandusky has the right to a proper defense, but ultimately it's going to be a very, very interesting case to try because of those eyewitnesses. jamie: and a lot of speculation about whether or not the bail or the fact that he is out and about can be revoked and we could see him taken into custody. >> well, he has -- if i, jamie,

if i could speak to that. he does have a right to have bail. you generally have a right to have bail, so that's not that big of an issue provided that he does what he's supposed to do out on bail. jamie: of course. >> at the same time, it would take a very high standard to have his bail rejoke vocked now -- revoked. jamie: all right. i have to leave it there. >> clear violation on his part. jamie: thank you so much, dan and eric, it's going to be an interesting one to watch. thank you. >> jamie, thank you. jon: we have just crossed thanksgiving, we are headed toward christmas and the holiday season, but think back. it was exactly ten years ago today that the u.s. suffered its first casualty in afghanistan. when a cia officer was killed during a taliban uprising. a decade later we'll tell you how mike span's sacrifice is inspiring one group to help the families of other fallen heros. and could what you wear get you in trouble the next time you fly? the new buzz about dress code

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jon: some international stories we're keeping an eye on here in the newsroom and also from our control room. egypt's military rulers are asking a prime minister from hosni mubarak's era to head the new government. protesters who pushed for mubarak's ouster are blasting that decision, calling him a remnant of the old regime. heavy fighting breaking out in the capital of yemen between security forces and an army unit that's defected to the opposition. this battle is erupting despite a u.s.-backed deal to end the rule of president ali abdullah saleh in exchange for his immunity from prosecution. and the syrian armed forces now say six elite military pilots have been killed in an ambush, a statement calling the killings a dangerous escalation in the conflict between anti-government protesters and the assad regime.

jamie: we were talking, jon and i, about how people used to get dressed up to fly, and now it seems like you see sweat pants and baggy jeans, shoes that don't tie, those other passengers. guess what? new talk of wearing something a little more present bl, maybe your sunday best as your mother might say, when flying on an airplane. we like it. claudia cowan's joining us live in san francisco to tell us more. hi, claudia. >> reporter: hi, jamie, you're right. you know, from skirts too short to pants too low, some passengers are learning the hard way that their wardrobe can keep them growpted. grounded. several high-profile incidents have fliers' rights groups culling on airlines to publish dress codes just as clearly as ticket fares and baggage restrictions. >> people aren't mind readers. they don't know what that flight attendant's going to want to see. >> reporter: this activist argues the lack of consistency leads flight crew to make

judgments. sometimes ending with the passenger getting kicked off as in this incident in san francisco last june. in the airlines' view, those passengers became a risk, but if that's the case, it's the airlines' fault. >> the airlines should step up and do o this on their own just so that passengers can predict and appropriately dress. if there's a requirement to wear a certain type of clothing or not wear a certain type of clothing, tell us. >> reporter: indeed, most airlines scoff at specifics in their contract of carriage. american, for instance, won't give a maximum weight, but can turn anyone away deemed too fat. too smelly because of poor hygiene or dressed in a manner, quote, that would cause discomfort or fence to other passengers. but then us airways allowed this man to board wearing lingerie. airlines say dress codes would be hard to enforce and could expose them to lawsuits if

flight crew overreacts which, according to the head of virgin, is what usually happens. >> if an airline is going to be so unreasonable as kicking people off, to me it just seems impolite of the airline to behave in that way. >> reporter: airline operators say if passengers wear appropriate travel clothing and flight attendants are more tolerant, everyone can have a nice flight. but that's not good enough for flight advocates who want it in writing so there's no confusion about what flies and what doesn't. jamie: unexpected but interesting report, claudia. thank you. jon: he was the first american killed during the war in afghanistan. today marks ten years sense this cia officer gave his life in service of this country. we'll tell you how this fallen hero inspired the agency to help the families of other cia officers killed in the line of duty. that's next. plus, a marine comes home to a long, lost friend who stood by him during his second tour of duty. it's a heart-warming thanksgiving reunion he had with

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jon: it was ten years ago that the united states recorded the first fatality of the afghan war. it was not a military member, but rather a cia officer. john mike span. he and a fellow officer were interrogating taliban prisoners when the compound was ambushed and overtaken by terrorists. initially, it was thought that span might have escaped, but after several days when the compound was finally retaken, span's body was found. he was returned to his widow and three young children here in the u.s., buried as a hero in arlington national cemetery. mike span's life and death inspired the creation of the cia

officers' memorial foundation. joining us now, john mclaughlin, the former acting director of the cia. it's interesting to me that this kind of an organization hadn't existed before then. you took a look at the needs of your agency and found that there wasn't a way to support the widows and the children of those cia officers who died in the line of duty. >> that's right, jon. mike span's death really rang a bell for us at cia. i was still on active duty at the time, but some retired officers led by legendary former director richard helms organized the cia officers' memorial foundation thinking that this was probably the beginning of a number of casualties that we would sustain in a war that at least in those early years was clearly an intelligence war. and that has proven to be a very wise decision. at the time of mike span's death, you know, at cia we carve a star on the wall each time an

officer is lost in action on the wall in our lobby, and at the time of mike span's death, there were 78 stars, he was 79. there are now 102, so about a cart quarter of the stars on that wall have been added since 9/11, and that has, of course, left many young children without a cia parent. and our thinking at the time and which we continue now is that, um, these children deserve support and primarily what we do is raise funds for college support, educational support for the children and sometimes for the spouses of fallen officers who require training for a job or something like that. jon: 47 children, as i understand it, are now receiving or in need of that kind of support. >> yes. since 9/11 we've supported 47 children and three spouses, covering young people who are going to school to study everything from engineering to english literature to international relations,

political science, sociology, just about everything. including one of mike span's daughters who is currently in college. jon: i read, you know, and this is such a heart-warming testament to the character of the american people, but people were actually writing checks out to the cia and sending them in for this kind of thing, but the cia is not allowed as an organization, as a government agency, to take that kind of money, hence, the establishment of the foundation. >> that's exactly right. people didn't know what to do at that point, and this was largely the result of one of our former general counsels, jeff smith, who arranged with private, with a group of retired officers to create what's called a r5 01 -- 501(c)(3) foundation so any funds donated to this, of course, were tax deductible as a charitable organization. jon: i imagine just the nature of the agency kind of works against you in this kind of thing. i mean, it's easy to think about

casualties from the army, the navy, the marine corps, etc., but the cia being such a secretive organization and a very small organization, it must be tougher to sort of get the message out there that you do have this kind of need. >> i think it's tough to get it out in the sense that most americans know that u.s. military -- the u.s. military very well and u.s. military personnel when they die in combat, their survivors do receive some educational benefits. this is not true for the cia officers, and i've always thought of our officers particularly since 9/11, many of our officers i would describe as soldiers without uniforms. jon: yeah. >> and so this is, this is our way of reaching out to their families. we anticipate that between now and the next 17 years we'll have just by our count at least -- this is where we stand at the moment -- at least 56 children that we'll want to support with educational assistance. cia memorial foundation.org is

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jamie: welcome back, everybody. can you believe newt gingrich is still in the spotlight over his comments about illegal immigration? jon: very much so. jamie: and the heat is turning up, jon. i'm jamie colby. jon: i'm jon scott. mr. gingrich has been saying the same things for months including a controversial stance on immigration. jamie: it's true. but now he's actually gaining stronger support. a lot more folks are listening, especially the rivals, as they are battling for the republican

nomination also. doug mckelway is live in washington. hey, doug, great to see you this holiday weekend. these remarks about illegal immigration, certainly, they sparked a lot of fire at the beginning. it's still going on though. what's the latest? >> reporter: yeah, after the holiday's over. gingrich's position is really not new, jamie. he addressed it in at least two earlier debates, but his newfound position as front runner has exposed him to a higher level of scrutiny, so he knew it would be controversial when he said this at the washington debate last week. >> i'm prepared to take the heat for saying let's be humane in enforcing the law without giving them citizenship, but by finding a way to create legality so that they are not separated from their families. >> reporter: gingrich's primary opponents have jumped on that, especially his chief rival, mitt romney. >> amnesty's not the right course, that instead we should follow the law. these people should have an opportunity to get in line, to apply for permanent residency and citizenship just like

anybody around the world gets in the line. but they should not be given a special deal by virtue of having come here illegally. >> reporter: michele bachmann, another who has pounced on gingrich's remarks, saying he probably has the most liberal position on illegal immigration of any of the candidates in the race. jamie? jamie: we should point out, though, afterwards he did clarify that these are folks who have been here 25 years, and they're talking residency, not citizenship. he's not backing down, is he? >> reporter: no, he's saying the accusation that he is for amnesty for 11 million illegal immigrants is, quote, explicitly false. he issued a statement on thanksgiving day which read i am for a local citizen panel to consider certification of those who have been here 25 years and have family and community and have been law-abiding and tax-paying. they could get a red card and could be legal but with no path to citizenship and no right to vote, end quote.

now, that krieble foundation that gingrich cites believes that local citizen boards would free up law enforcement to control the real threats at the border. it also believes that free markets would determine the number of workers needed and that the private sector would be licensed by the government to issue smart card work permits. you know it's going to be fuel for a lot more debate in the weeks and months to come. jamie: that issue is not going away anytime soon. doug mckelway, thank you so much. >> reporter: my pleasure. jon: let the holiday shopping begin. actually, it began about 12 hours ago at some stores. it is black friday. shoppers around the country rushed into stores and malls in the wee hours of the morning hunting down the best deals and frazzing more than a few nerves. rich edson is braving the crowds at the rockaway town square? new jersey. how's it looking there? >> reporter: well, it's in waves here. the first wave, believe it or not, last night macy's opened

up. they stuck around for that. the rest of the mall opened up around 4:00 this morning. now we're in the second wave. this is velma and nicky, thanks so much for joining us. this is a generational thing. mom taught you what to do, what'd she teach you? >> how to use my coupons, make my list -- >> bargains. [laughter] >> reporter: what'd you get? >> my favorite purchase is this jacket from eddie bauer, 40% off. i don't need it, but i got it anyway. [laughter] >> reporter: that's the point, but you got it anyway. >> certainly. and it's a good deal. >> reporter: nicky, what'd you get? >> i haven't bought anything yet. >> what? >> reporter: i'm not leaving empty handed. >> reporter: very good. >> going to continue for a while. >> reporter: how many years have you been doing this? >> i don't -- oh, five, six? and then as a kid, as i got older, my mom would take me with her, so many years. >> reporter: do you find that you spend more or less or

depends on the year? >> i'd like to say i spend less, but you know what? those impulse buys, i don't know if i'm actually saving anything. >> reporter: well, compare this year to last year. did you spend more this year or last year? >> i think i'm spending about the same right now. i don't know. >> reporter: how about you, nicky? >> we'll see. we don't know yet. >> reporter: right now year at zero, but -- >> you know, i've got a credit card, and i've got some cash, so who knows. >> reporter: credit card, cash on a black friday, that's all you need. jon, back to you. jon: rich, i'm with nicky. if i don't need it, i don't buy it. >> reporter: that's good, that's good. i'm with you on that one too. jon: okay, all right. jamie: really, guys? jon: it's a guy thing. jamie: that's no fun. >> reporter: it might be. jon: rich edson, thanks. jamie: i've got to bring a buddy. i won't make any mistakes if you'll come shopping with me. breaking news, we are following outrage in egypt. it's still going on, folks taking to tahrir square. the country's new prime minister chosen by the military rulers

speaks on egypt tv. take a look at this, this is live. this is tahrir square. tens of thousands of folks are reacting to the appointment of a leader who served under mubarak's regime, and critics are saying that the military is giving him even greater powers than his predecessor. what about the united states? well, we're urging egypt's military leadership to transfer power to a civilian government and make it happen as soon as possible. reena ninan live in our mideast bureau following that. are they listening? >> reporter: that's the problem, you know, we're seeing two very big groups, jamie. one pro-government which we haven't really seen in the past few days and, obviously, the anti-government, protesters that have been camped out really since saturday demanding change, and those anti-government forces are the ones that are upset about the new appointment of the prime minister. they have been demanding, they want the transfer of full military power to go to civilian rule. that's exactly what the white house is also calling for, and they're calling this last call

friday. they're hoping that more than a million people will take to the square and march. you know, monday is expected to be the start of elections, and they've asked not to bring any political banners, they want this to be a peaceful rally. last night it was the military council that announced they have decided to appoint a new prime minister, kamal gone suri, and he said the military has agreed to give full authority to him, complete control. this is something that the prime ministership had never had before in egypt. and thousands against his appointment have now decided to march from tahrir square to the office of the prime minister where they are planning on launching a sit-in tonight, and they plan on remaining until tomorrow. they've decided not to allow him to reenter in any obstacle or any future -- they don't want him to have a future in politics in egypt. what's interesting is people who were there in tahrir square in the leadup to the major clashes back in february during the first revolution have said this is the exact kind of combination

we saw then, the anti-government forces numbering in equal amounts with the pro-government forces. and it's expected to be pretty explosive come monday when these elections start, jamie. jamie: reena ninan live for us. thank you so much. jon: for more on all of this unrest on egypt, let's bring in ambassador john bolton, former u.s. ambassador total united nations, also a fox news contributor. ambassador, who is this guy? what do we know about him, and would the united states consider him a friend? >> well, he's a former official under mubarak and the kind of technocrat that i think the military hoped would satisfy the demonstrators in tahrir square. it's not entirely clear to me what exactly the obama administration's position is, but i have to say this, the so-called pro-democracy demonstrators in tahrir square are playing a very dangerous game with their own democratic principles. they're saying they want the military out and a civilian government in. well, who picks the civilian

government? the military's the power. they're, obviously, going to pick it. and at the same time the demonstrators are saying they want parliamentary elections scheduled toed for monday canceled. well, that's how in a democracy you normally pick a legitimate government. so if demonstrators are saying they want some other mechanism to break up the civilian government, they're really risking a challenge from the muslim brotherhood that can turn out much bigger demonstrations, much better organized than the pro-democracy groups. jon: well, is it possible that this is, essentially, the mouthpiece of the muslim brotherhood that's in tahrir square right now? >> by all that i can tell, the muslim brotherhood has pulled back because they want these elections to go forward on monday. this is the real irony, and it's why the pro-democracy people are playing russian roulette here with democratic principles. it's certainly far from perfect to hold the elections on monday, but the idea that somehow a civilian non-military government

is going to spring out of nowhere is really a very dangerous notion. democracy is not decided by how many demonstrators you turn out in public squares, it's decided in elections. once you vary from that principle, you're really taking a huge risk. jon: president obama and the white house shocked a lot of people back in the spring when they essentially said hosni mubarak has to go. well, he's gone. is this a case, this result, a case of being careful what you wish for or what you ask for? >> well, exactly. i think we have got more instability in egypt, i think the camp david accords with israel and geopolitical stability in the middle east as a whole are more in danger. our arab allies in the gulf region in particular think that we threw mubarak under the bus, so their confidence in our leadership has declined. i mean, all in all, the united states and its friends, i think, are in a worse position. and what's ironic about these demonstrations is that the

pro-democracy people who helped get rid of mubarak, i think, are undercutting their own position by the irrational nature of their objectives. jon: it's a big question, but give us some sampling of what you fear could happen if a muslim brotherhood-oriented government takes power in egypt. >> well, i think there are a lot of people who have portrayed themselves as relative moderates in the muslim brotherhood who really do have the agenda, one person, one vote, one time. and want to see a really radical islamist agenda pursued. certainly, if you ask the coptic christians in egypt, they are very concerned about the prospect for a muslim brotherhood victory. over 100,000 of the coptics have already left egypt entirely. so i think there's a lot to worry about here, and conditions of near anarchy are not conducive to a stable, democratic, representative government process. jon: we are going to watch that situation very closely. everything seems to be very much

on edge there in egypt. ambassador john bolton, thank you. >> thank you. jamie: well, there are some shoppers looking to get an early jump on bargains. every time we see that footage of people, i'm looking to see if your there, jon. jon: i was not among them. jamie: you're too smart for that. some ended up with a face full of pepper spray. that's right, look at this scene. we are live there. jon: pepper spray for shopping? and then there's europe's debt crisis. it's sparking political chaos, and it could be threatening your financial future. we'll explain. jamie: also, the military is facing some deep budget cuts, and we're going to look at the potential impact on our national security. what you need to know with general keane, next. to find you a great deal, even if it's not with us. [ ding ] oh, that's helpful! well, our company does that, too. actually, we invented that.

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jon: you have been seeing video like this for months. we're talking about the riots in europe over those drastic austerity measures forced by crushing debt in several countries like greece.

all of that actually effects americans in a very real way. the most recent wave of economic chaos in europe causing the dow to plunge nearly 800 points since last week. if you have a 401(k), an ira or many other investments, that is not good. on monday president obama is meeting with a couple of leaders of the european union to talk about the crisis and offer some guidance. the backdrop for this meeting? the congressional supercommittee's failure to agree on a plan to get our own fiscal house in order. with our debt now topping $15 trillion. chris niedermayer is a former deputy director at the u.s. securities and exchange commission, knows a lot about how the markets work and how it gets affected by this kind of thing in washington. there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of leadership at either end of pennsylvania avenue on trying to get our fiscal house in order. >> there really isn't, jon, and i think the frustration of the american public is at an all-time low. congress has a 9% support rating

right now, and we're seeing not only the effect of the crisis in europe affecting the united states, but we're seeing now the failure of the supercommittee and how that can effect the markets here and globally as well. i guess in the last ten days the market, as you noted, has gone down. it's been the longest stretch of decline since '08 when we had the major beginnings of the recession. jon: some people say, you know, you look at greece, a country that has been spending more than its within taking in -- been taking in, and they're in real problems right now. they say it's not that farfetched to see the united states going down that same road. does that seem like a stretch to you? >> well, it's not a total stretch. i think it's a long way to get there. we were able to use the federal reserve to help us pump up our banks, and i think one of the roles that president obama wants to have on monday is to try to encourage some of the e.u. leadership to try to, perhaps, buy up some of this high-risk debt that is dragging down the banks all over europe and, certainly, in germany and france

and italy in particular. jon: and what about presidential leadership on this budget crisis? i mean, the president seems to have sort of walked away from this whole supercommittee fiasco. he got the raise in the debt ceiling, the increase in the debt ceiling that he wanted out of the supercommittee agreement, and then the whole deal falls apart. >> yeah, you know, i was a chief of staff in the senate during the clinton administration, and there was just a stark difference between the patterns of leadership. bill clinton back then would have lolled up his sleeves and -- rolled up his sleeves and gotten in the middle of the battles with the supercommittee. after what happened with the deficit debate last summer when pretty much boehner walked away, it became much more difficult to bring something together, and as a result we're here now where clinton doesn't want to step into the middle -- jon: obama. >> i'm sorry, obama doesn't want to step into the middle because of what happened last summer, so he's out campaigning on this issue when he should be back in washington banging heads and getting members of both the

house and senate together to come up with some solution. jon: well, first we had simpson-bowles, that didn't go anywhere, then we had the supercommittee, that didn't go anywhere. it would seem like the president would want to say, okay, let's do it my way or get together in a room and come up with something that works. >> you're absolutely right. the role of the president is to get everybody around the table and then to fight for what seems to be the best plan to come through. obama's approach has been much more cerebral, hands-off, aloof. and i think at this point in time both sides the hill and the white house seem to be saying, oh, we're just going to wait until after next november. in the meantime, the american public are going to suffer because the economy will continue to limp along. jon: people are getting frustrated. >> they are. you're absolutely right. jon: thanks. >> good to be here. jamie: deadly violence is following friday prayers in syria, and there are at least four people shot dead. pro-democracy demonstrators have appealed for outside intervention. they're trying to halt the assad

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jamie: new reports out of syria where the military there is confirming that six of their elite pilots were killed during an ambushed. an armed anti-government group is claiming responsibility. syria's brutal crackdown is continuing. look at this video. pro-democracy demonstrators fill the streets. they want president assad's resignation. and it appears that syria has ignored today's arab league deadline that was set yesterday. they only gave them 24 hour toss allow outside observers into the country, so they could now face sanctions. retired four-star general jack keane is a fox news military

analyst. thank you for being here, general, we appreciate it on a holiday weekend. syria, what, what needs to happen there, and what can the united states play in terms of a role? >> we can play a relatively large role. this is a huge opportunity for us to help change out a rogue leader in syria, change that leadership into a much better system for their people. jamie: you mean our government, the military, nato? who? >> no. this is mostly diplomatic and mostly political. the u.s. treasury can seize and freeze his assets. we've done some of it, but we should pull out all the stops now to get most of it so it cripples him. we can reach out to the groups that are opposing him inside of syria with intelligence and financial assistance from the assets we're taking from assad. we can recognize the free syrian army. they're going to take over when the regime falls. we should build that relationship now so we can assist them when they have to provide that kind of stability. jamie: how close is it to fall? >> it'll take some time, but

he's on his way. particularly significant is the arab league who's now opposing him, and we can work with them. there's other things. we can set up safe zones inside of turkey and jordan with their cooperation so the defectors can move to those safe zones with their families. there are many government officials and military leaders who want out of syria, but they also want to protect their families. we have someplace for them to go, he can start to implode from within. jamie: that's fascinating. when you look at these countries and you see even egypt if we can show, again, the situation in tahrir square as we've seen the protesters, they take to the streets. they want a different government. you've been involved in iraq, in afghanistan and a pro-democracy movement. but the definition of democracy in these nations is very different than what we experience here. how do we assist without implementing something that the folks there aren't comfortable with, that they really don't want? >> well, first of all, one is we seize the opportunity that's in front of us.

and we're not going to be able to control these events, but we certainly can influence these events. and the people in the streets in most every single one of these countries are screaming for social reform. political opportunity. and economic community. and the model they're looking at is ours. that's what they want. it would take them a long time to be able to get to a western democracy standard, but removing a rogue regime, that's the first step. jamie: do we have to wait and see as we look at libya and egypt to see what governments do come in? speaking of our government and the proposed defense cuts we are going to see, we thanked our troops yesterday as we do every day and military families for serving us every day where they are to keep us safe here. there's some serious cuts that will go into play. what are your concerns? >> well, we have some real, serious concerns. it's not a question that the department of defense should be off the table and not take any cuts. secretary gates took $250 billion out of the department of defense before he left for a

five-year period. secretary panetta has been given a bill right now of $489 billion over a ten he was year period. -- ten-year period. this has nothing to do with the supercommittee cuts that would come in through sequestration. the fact of the matter is the cuts that we're facing right now will cut to the bone and muscle of the department of defense. if supercommittee cuts unfold as they're supposed to next year, that would devastate the department. we would be a mere shadow of ourselves and be very vulnerable in the world. what the department does is not just fight the very visible wars that we're watching the last ten years, but it deters thugs and killers from taking advantage of us. jamie: absolutely. every day. >> and taking advantage of others. jamie: i have to bottom line it and ask this question because you know i care, are we giving our troops what they need every day in battle and be also when they return home? do we need to do a better job still? >> you betcha. in terms of what they need to fight and win and the remarkable job thai doing, they've got the

best leaders, they've got the best equipment to help them do that job. we have learned a lot about the psychological and emotional damage that happens to our soldiers, particularly as a result of a cumulative experience that they've had, multiple tours. we're taking so much were the care of them than what we've mad the past. not only the soldiers, but also their families, and those that have catastrophic wounds we absolutely, hands down the best health systems dealing with those catastrophic wounds in the world. jamie: that's what they deserve. general keane, thanks for coming in. always great to see you, sir. thank you so much. jon? jon: some reassuring words there. a happy reunion this holiday for a u.s. marine and the dog he took in while serve anything afghanistan. family members surprised corporal ward by bringing olo -- i'm sorry, chloe, i misread the name, clowe chloe to the u.s. for thanksgiving. he describes how he and chloe first met. >> she was getting harassed out

in the bazaar because in their culture over there they don't really, they just don't respect dogs like we do. um, so she just came in, i think the vehicles must have spooked her, and she just came running in. she was real loyal, she's very sweet, she kind of, she kind of kept the morale up of our base. like, she would, you know, it was just like a dog, play with you. so she would, she came with us on all of our patrols. jon: he's currently stationed at camp pendleton, will be out of the service as of next month. he plans to spend more time with chloe and maybe even take a road trip with her. jamie: he deserves a vacation. meanwhile, a new debate over safety on america's highways. there are some truckers that want to change regulations to help them compete in a tough economy. could it put lives at risk? we're going to take a look. plus, some new recordings that are pretty disturbing.

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jamie: we're glad you're with us. maybe you're going to head out later to do some shopping, get a jump on the holiday season. what about mother nature? cooperating? meteorologist maria molina keeping an eye on the weather across the country. how's it looking? >> reporter: good morning -- actually, good afternoon, jamie, here on the east coast. we do have some nice weather across the northeast and the southeast, all thanks to high pressure in place, and that's bringing in the sunshine and very warm temperatures, actually above what's normal for this time of the year. even though people were lining up early in the morning did have to deal with chilly temperatures, you are going to see those temperatures rebounding later this afternoon. as we head westbound, that's where we have the up settled weather. there's two storms, one across the southwest and one across the northwest. the one ahead of the northwest should be picking up in intensity as we head into this evening across the midwest, gusting up to 60 miles per hour at times so, of course, it's going to be a huge concern. here's a look at the storm across parts of texas and new mexico, already starting to

bring in some very beneficial rain across west texas, and here's the snow to talk about across the northwest where we're seeing snow showers in the higher elevations producing slip ri travel across some of the passes, please, drive safely out there. potentially producing blowing and drifting at times. both storms are going the unite, and by saturday afternoon, basically, rain across the great lakes all the way down into the south across east texas, louisiana and also arkansas. the heaviest of the rain should be in the mississippi valley, but do watch out for delays possible from the gulf coast all the way up through the great lakes, and by sunday that same storm system is going to continue heading b behind it -- eastbound behind it. it is possible some of this rain will end as snow across parts of the great lakes and also the upper midwest. heaviest rainfall tomorrow should be in the southeast and also in the tennessee valley. jamie? jamie: thanks so much, maria. >> reporter: bye. jon: well, truckers are going to

have to worry about that weather, and some truckers and safety experts are at odds over new regulations for the shipping industry. some long haulers want to increase truck weight limits so they can carry more cargo, but others say it would make highways in this country more dangerous. jonathan serrie live in atlanta with a look at that controversy. jonathan? >> reporter: hi, jon. major shipping companies want the increased weights because, ultimately, it would reduce the number of trucks they would need on america's highways at any given time, saving fuel and cutting emissions. the coalition for transportation productivity, a group representing more than 100 major shippers including coca-cola and the home depot, is urging congress to increase weight limits. georgia congressman lynn westmoreland says heavier loads will make shipping more efficient in a competitive, global economy. >> the panama canal being deepening, these larger cargo ships are going to be carrying containers that weigh 97,000 pounds. so if we continue to have our weight limit at 80,000 pounds,

then we would have to take the containers, unload 'em, repack 'em, put 'em on trucks, use more trucks to do that. >> reporter: now, the heavier loads would require special six-axle trucks as with those already tested in vermont and maine. with the increased weight evenly distributed among those axles, the theory goes you apply no increased pressure to roads and bridges. still some state highway officials worry about additional wear and tear on their roads, and truckers differ on the financial impact of having to upgrade their rigs. will be. >> the manufacturer will be able to offset the cost of new equipment with the economies of scale that they gain. the productivity they get out of it. the for-hire trucker who doesn't do any manufacturing will be faced with the cost, but all the benefit will go to his customer. >> reporter: back to the safety issue, the idea of heavy loads makes some folks nervous, fearing that it'll take these heavier trucks longer to break.

advocates for the heavier loads say this next generation of trucks will have the same breaking capacity as their predecessors and that if you're able to reduce the number of trucks on america's highways, that ultimately makes the roads even safer. back to you, jon. jon: good arguments on both sides. jonathan serrie, thanks. jamie: the occupy movement, apparently, turning to the homeless for help. this is a new twist, and it's happening in indianapolis where there just with respect enough protesters to keep it going. mike tobin joining us, has more from indianapolis in this report. >> reporter: with numbers dwindling and winter approaching, the occupy movement -- at least in indianapolis -- appears to be adopting a practice of protest by proxy. >> a the majority of the folks seem to be homeless people. >> the homeless are encouraged to maintain a presence. do you sleep outside, or is there a tent? >> there's a van that we sleep

in if we need sleep, but most of us actually stay out all night. >> reporter: fox news has obtained an audio recording of a web seminar conducted november 9th with occupy organizers speaking from their homes and the demonstrators living on the streets. >> reporter: sustaining numbers is going to be a challenge for the occupy movement as the weeks roll on. here we are in indianapolis. it's rainy, cold and miserable, and the number of demonstrators has dwindled down to three. >> a lot of people can't stay. you know, i get down there and stay as long as i can, you know? and i stayed one night late.

>> reporter: but the demonstrators we saw promised they can maintain a presence through the winter and hope to make a mark on one of the most widely-viewed american institutions. >> reporter: and these demonstrators aspire to increase their numbers once springtime brings betterwet. mike tobin, fox news. jamie: and our thanks to mike for that report in indianapolis. jon? jon: well, a lot of folks are looking to avoid the holiday crowds, doing more of their shopping online. we'll tell you what you can expect on cyber monday if you hit the keyboard. meantime, the shopping season gets off to an ugly start. police are looking for a woman who pepper sprayed a crowd of shoppers in order to get her hands on a bargain.

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store here in the san fernando valley. they're also looking at cell phone video, various videos taken by customers at the time. and also, get this, they are going to look through credit card receipts. about 10:00 last night when the store opened and someone purchased an xbox 360, because this woman when all this mayhem and chaos was going on and people were scrambling, trying to take care of kids that had been pepper sprayed, she walked out, went through the checkout registers and actually purchased this xbox 360. so they think they might be able to find her that way. about 20 people reported being hurt in some way, either being trampled on or spray with the that pepper spray, but we're told that these injuries were very minor. the ambulances responded, the paramedics respond to the scene, the cops responded here, and people were treated here at the scene. no one had to be sent to the hospital, but the lapd if they do find this mother, she will

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>> sure. i think the lines of distinction between black friday and cyber monday are blurring. in fact, the whole holiday shopping season has become one where consumers are trying to get the best deals they possibly can, and the new technology that's available to them allowed connected consumers to find the best deals without having to rush out to the store on black friday. jon: well, there are some interesting examples of what you can do with mobile devices that you couldn't do even a couple years ago. can you share those with us? >> yeah, exactly. a lot of consumers have the ability to look at sites online, and with sites that have become available that consolidate or aggregate the deals and offers available, you can easily find where the best prices are without having to be out hunting around. so this is a preparation accept that you can go through. -- step that you can go through. once you've got the objects in mind that you're trying to purchase and find the best deals on, you can locate them, do price comparisons online, and when you get out to the store, the connected consumer is also

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