stewart from what the "washington post" wrote. she wants to make a difference but that is not what television is all about. >> jon: that is wrap >> tonight, a different take on government health care, the politicians were so proud of their new law. >> this is a long overdue victory. >> what about the unintended consequence of government health care? >> the scooter store delivered over half of the scooters at little or no cost to you. >> no, at big cost to people like you. >> the ads say-- >> we'll give you your power scooter free. >> nothing is really free. we'll pay. >> for billions of dollars in fraud. these doctors were arrested for billing medicare for

patients that don't exist, to promote obama care, the president held back yard barbecues where he held a microphone and said things like-- for the vast majority of businesses this is a great deal. >> ceo's say obama care is anything, but. >> what we've done is destroy the pricing mechanism. >> and the 1700 pages scare the wits the out of business. >> that means fewer jobs, it's a game changer. >> it's a game changer may force this to pay for contraception. >> you're all next. >> and two doctors join us, one a senator who says there's already too much health care. >> this herman cain law i think is going to make it worse. >> government health care gone wrong. that's our show tonight. >> and now, john stossel.

>> president obama supporters call this his biggest accomplishment, this big, fat bill is obamacare. and later in the show we're going to talk to doctors and a senator will how this will affect america, but let's start with some businessmen. the president sold this law as good for business. in fact, right now in the white house website it says this law will lower costs for small business. but will it lower the cost for any business? let's ask three ceo's. brad anderson of best buy. mike whalen of the heart of america group runs hotels and restaurants and john alisyn of bb and t, the 12th biggest bank in america. will it lower the cost? anybody? >> i don't think so. (laughter) >> i bring our people that work with us, with our company

health insurance and recently we had our agony pain meeting. >> what you call it? >> annual agony of pain. yes, and said just give me like a ten minute synopsis how this thing is going to impact my company and the three of them kind of looked at each other, we've gone to seminar after seminar and mike, we can't tell you. i think that kind of sums up the uncertainty. >> the uncertainty so then you're afraid to hire people because you don't know what they'll cost? >> if i was trying to get to you fund a business you started and asked hee what my payroll was going to be three years from now per employee, if i went to the deep heest specialist in the industry he can't tell me what it's actually going to cost let alone what i'm going to be responsible for. that bill is inconsistent within. >> you would think that something this thick would be clear what the specifics are. a lot of this is the secretary

will determine at what future point. >> we will know what the bill is when we could read it, it was put together in that fashion. >> what we know, frankly, it won't work. the penalty is too low for getting out. only like 7 1/2%, so it's about-- >> it's about $2,000 right? so buying for your employee a health insurance policy might cost you 10,000, 20,000. >> probably more like 5 or 6,000. >> in new york for me. >> and what that means is that in theory every company ought to dump their plan on the government. >> and pay the penalty. >> and pay the penalty and what that means is that like you don't really know what the cost is because you know it's designed to fail. so, state paying much more than 7 1/2%, it's got to fail. >> and that may be the intention, everybody give tup, go to an all-government plan and i would think that you business people might like that, i heard one of the

arguments, michael moore, hey, in europe, businesses have an advantage, unlike you, he they don't have to pay for their employees health insurance, government takes care of it. >> michael moore observed what's happened in europe? it didn't work out well. >> why didn't it work out well. >> the taxes paid for, it's an underfunded program and extraordinarily expensive. >> and in any business, if we're not serving our employee base well and not served in relationship to health care, that's not in our best interest. >> and you're someone who created a business that employs 180,000 people. so every time you hesitate to expand, that really slows job creation. >> yes. >> we talked to an eye hop business, and he employed 12 i-hops and employs 1200 people and he says it will keep me from expanding, i can't make money for the $2,000 and insurance all of my employees

to the length that they demand. >> well, i think that people that passed this believes there's never a tipping point in terms of stopping jobs, that no business will complain, they always do, but every time we had a regulation, life goes on and add jobs. but i think this is-- >> that's been true. >> really true, but we've had an agreement in this country, the last years, that we'll spend 18, 19% on the federal government and this is a tipping point takes us to 25 to 30% and that money comes out of the private sector, that means fewer jobs, this is a game changer. >> you just put in health savings accounts for your company. >> i sure did. >> and it was resisted. the health savings account we should explain to people, that this is like a high deductible insurance policy. >> right. >> you're covered for the catastrophe, but below a thousand or whatever it is, it's your money and-- >> your money. >> so what happened? >> well, people that have been

used to, even some of my executives, particularly their spouses, objected and said we've never had to look at this thing, and perceived that i was imposing my political ideology on the company. about a month later one of the people that objected the loudest came back and said, mike, i've got to tell you my wife got a very expensive prescription today and admitted to me that for the first time ever, she asked it if there was a generic, of course there was and-- >> and spending her on money. >> she's spending her own money and consumer driven health care works. >> saving 80% of the price and people ask what things cost under the current system. obama care makes health savings care. it has to covered every penny of preventive care so health savings the accounts don't fit into that. >> right now, the consumer spends 14 cents out of every

health care dollar, maybe it's down to 12 now and i always say how many $100,000 course would we sell in the country if you only had to spend $12,000 of your own money. we'd have a lot of $100,000 cars and that's exactly what we're getting. >> why do we get our health insurance from you guys at work anyway. i don't get my food, clothing and shelter, just a tax abberation. >> started in world war ii, this is not a good idea, right. discourage people from moving from job to job. >> a terrible idea. it'd be much better if it were tax neutral and people made their own decisions, woofer' destroyed the pricing, what makes business as markets work, and the people get the price this is he choose. what if you went to the grocery store and the insurance company pay for part of your groceries and nobody has any idea what the medical care cost is.

>> i bet at best buy, the big companies might help you because you might have executives to say, i've got another job offer and i'd like to leave because of my health care cover. >> if you're employed, certainly full-time jobs, most businesses would offer pretty good health care and at best buy we offered a minimal choice in health care. and we have a standard of health care on the board of mayo clinic, and standard of health care in the united states that's very, very good. >> in spite of it's being structurely inefficient. >> 20% free market, the rest of the world is less. >> yeah, and our provide,compete with each other and now they're competing in sometimes irrational ways because the company is a payer or the company is the payer, but they compete with each other and it's delivering lousy service and we don't have to go to that medical provider. >> thank you, bret anderson, mike whalen and john alison, next, how obama care will

force people who oppose birth control or abortion to pay for things like birth control or abortion coming up.

>> now, obama care and freedom, individual freedom, if you think abortion is murder, should you have to pay for it? how about birth control or a morning after pill. you know the pill women take after sex to prevent pregnancy. or what about sterilization should you have to pay for that? the leaders of this college say no, we shouldn't have to pay for it, but obamacare will force us to pay for some of it. >> it's not just about-- this is about you, about everybody watching this, you're next. >> and students here say though chose the college because it supports their on moral values and now they're

saying the government is trying to force their school to do something they don't believe in. >> i believe we should uphold our catholic moral values and to stand for what we believe? >> she joins us now, with the bucket fund a law firm defends religious liberty and helping belmont abby to sue the government over obamacare, explain. >> that's right, it's a small liberalized college in north carolina that's being forced by the government to provide contraception in their student and employee health care plan. >> wait a second. obamacare, not that i remember reading the whole thing, but that everybody must pay for contraception. >> the new health care plan has that provision, everyone has to violate their religious believe has to pay for sterilization in the health care plan. >> they couldsy we're going to pay the penalty and not cover

anybody. >> $340,000 a year and every year that fine would go up. >> that would be the fine if the college paid $2,000 per faculty member or students if they cover them. >> the college has two choices. the government said you can provide these things, go against your conscience or you can pay a very, very heavy fine and be an undesirable employer because you can't provide health care. >> john: nancy pelosi says laws like this protects women's health and allow family planning, therefore, the government must step in. >> this is not a women's health issue, this is a religious issue, a first amendment. why the beckett fund stepped up to defend the college. >> john: obamacare says you can't have a minimalist coverage, preventive care, and

must cover birth control and morning after, plan b in the pregnancy, one day after sex and ela the week after. >> week after. >> so five or six days. >> and these are suppose today pay for the week after pill, the day after pill and employee student plan, it's a monk funded mandate. >> they think it's murder, i assume. >> right, they're catholic. >> john: not everybody who goes to the school is catholic. >> everyone comes to the school either to attend or work at the school knows that their mission is catholic and they've always been very proud about their catholic identity. >> and the school says if people want to have birth control pills, fine, but they can go pay for it themselves. >> the monks allow everyone to live accord to go their conscience and do not i am poets their beliefs on anyone, but ask that their beliefs be

respected. >> john: obamacare imposes someone's belief on everyone. >> is that's right, the monks don't have a choice. >> john: there's an exception, obamacare issued waives for-- >> and it's willing they're willing to issue wavers for mcdonald's and-- >> you've asked for a waiver. >> there's a religious mandate. it's so narrow, but not even jesus' administration would qualify for it. >> john: what does that mean. >> catholics employing catholics or jews employing jews and that's the only way and belmont abbey opens its doors to everyone and so it does not qualify. >> john: how many students are not catholic? >> there are many students that are catholic beau that's

not the issue they should be allowed it of-- >> they take jews, muslims? >> they take everyone, who believe in any kind of religion or absolutely nothing. this is' no limit. the college places no limit who can attend u and we asked the government health and human services to come and they did not. >> they received 100,000 complaints, 100,000 complaints. that's, that's millions of americans. >> john: now, the beckett fund, your organization defends pharmacists who don't want to sell the morning after pills. >> yes, we have a case in washington state defending margaret and thelma. >> john: if there are some products, you're a business, you don't want to sell. >> there are many wavers, you can have not to stock various prescriptions, this one you have to stock and defend it. >> john: thank you. coming up, free stuff from the

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>> they're voting to end medicare. >> we'd end medicare as we know it. >> it ends medicare as we know it. >> the republican candidates want to you end medicare as we know it. >> that's a democratic talking point in the spring and medicare as we know it. well, how do we know it? >> we know that medicare is great. people love it, but of course, they love it because, a, they don't know what else they

might have had and b, everyone loves getting free stuff. and medicare is kind of like getting free stuff. and it's not free, you said, i paid into it for years, every check, well, yes, you did. but on average, most of you, you say, will get back three times what you paid in. and that's why medicare is it unsustainable. it's growing broke. it's off the cliff, it's 46 trillion dollars in debt. and politicians promised to cut some costs and in fact, the balanced budget act forced them to cut doctor's fees by get this, 29%, starting next month. they're not going to do it. they'll pass what they call the doc fix to delay the cuts. what they've always done and they're not going to anger doctors who take care of seniors who vote. so we're just going broke. what are we going to do? well, dr. scott gottlieb has some answers and he used to work for medicare and was an f.d.a. commissioner and peter

suitorman says he has answers, a medicare specialist at reason magazine. we're going broke, today people my age getting old, living longer, we're toast, what are we going to do? well, i can tell you what congress is going to do, which at least in the short-term is keep spending your money. keep spending taxpayer money. >> they're not going to cut the doctor payments. >> they're not going to cut the doctor payments, we go through this every year, sometimes several times a year. what congress does, wait until the last minute and oh, no, what are we going to do. take a last minute vote and then vote to continue paying doctors at the rates that we've been paying doctors and don't let them take the cut. >> i agree with reality. only way to bring european style health care to the united states, what doctors are making. if you look at them relative nations, doctors here just earn more. >> so people would say, so what? doctors make too much money, europeans seem happy with their health care system. >> i think it's going to hurt

access, you'll see industrialization of medicine in the united states barry doctors instead of delivering direct patient care, they'll manage nurses and providers and patients will have a hard time getting access to doctors. >> john: what would you do, you're king, fix it. >> i think that the doctors prices are fixed, they say this is what you go and determine doctor rates. this is the only service i know of where there's no difference in the level of compensation commensurate with talent, skills, reputation, all doctors earn the same under medicare and they basically don't have to compete. so on some level a lot of physicians like the system and private carriers were competing for doctor services and see a gradation for service what kind of service they were and what they were delivering. >> john: they like this and paid the same rate. >> right, they like it until

there's a threat that the government might cut their payment rate by 29.5%. they like being paid quite well by the government, but they don't like when the government. >> john: you know, that's part and parcel with this, right? >> if you let the government make your payment then the government is also going to be the one to cut your payment and gets to decide. that's how it is. >> john: what's going be to be cut. it's not working, we're going off the cliff. 46 trillion dollars in the hole. >> ultimately you'll see the government step in and much more aggressive regulating the practice of medicine and decision what services can and can't be delivered in clinical setting. >> john: say to the 80-year-old no hip replacement for you. >> say to the physician they won't get reimbursed for providing a certain procedure and might not be transparent to the patient what they're doing and the decision made in a diffuse way and the patient won't so it. the problem with having a centralized bureaucracy make these, other than a patient

saying it's worth the incremental money it might cost them. >> peter, you say that price controls on medicare are a game of whack-a-mole, what do you mean. >> you think of the old arcade game and a table and holes in front you have and a big mallet. every time you whack one mole, another one pops up. if you look at the history of medicare payment reform, that's exactly what it looks like, because every time the government whacks one payment mole, okay, we're going to pay hospitals using this formula and it's going to control costs this way, that's what they did in the 1980's, guess what happened then. physician payments started to go through the proof so they said okay, we're going to control physician payments and whack that mole. guess what happened then? physicians got paid a little less, but they started to do a lot more services. >> and people make up for the money that they were losing. >> game game the system and takes medicare about five years to figure it out on average. >> how can they stop the fraud when somebody else pays?

they've got 4 million transaction as day, right? >> this is the big problem with medicare fraud is that coping controls the money and congress is spending someone else's money. when you're spending someone else's money your incentive isn't to check over it to make sure that it's being spent well. >> i will say though, if we try to get at more fraud, which is what we're doing it will cause dislocations in the health care system, the rules they put in place, slowing down payment and ability to access care. >> john: more hardship as long as somebody else is paying the bill. thank you scott and peter. and coming up, a doctor who stepped down to a less useful career,'s now a senator and he gives his opinion on obamacare next. [ male announcer ] if you're intrigued by the hand-selected wood trim...

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>> today, 20 doctors serve in coping. one has made it a point to go on the senate floor every month and make at loose one speech about obamacare, every month he offers what he calls his second opinion about what should be done about american health care. that senator is wyoming's john baroso. welcome to new york. why do you do this and what's wrong with obamacare. >> it's a 2700 page bill.

>> john: very heavy. >> bad for nurses and doctors and terrible for the taxpayers. the prom is 1700 times in the the bill says that the secretary of health and human services will come out with rules and regulations. >> john: which means more. >> probably 100,000 pages and i keep going to the the senate floor because there's an ongoing unintended consequences that the the american people today, more than they're opposed to the law and the day it was signed and a lot of them were against it back then, too. >> let's say we repeal it. there, we've repealed obamacare, some people don't get care. there are problems in health care, what's your answer? >> there are problems in health care, we can do better. buy insurance across state lines, they can't do that now. people who get insurance through work end one a tax break through work. >> john: let's go one at a time. across state lines. weirdly every state has its own regulations, that's fine, but i'm not allowed to buy

from a state that has more reasonable regulations? >> you should be allowed to shop around. you know, when you call 1-800 number and you can find out about car insurance, you ought to be able to do that about health insurance, find out what to do for your family and not be constrained. and your second point is? >> well, that people who get their insurance through work, that's treated separately and differently from tax standpoint as people who biotheir health insurance. >> at work you you don't get-- >> if you buy your insurance personally for you and your family, you ought to get the same tax situation as the big companies get. >> either i get the tax break or get rid of the tax break or both. >> either way it ought to be fair. >> john: why do we buy it at work anyway. i don't get my clothes or food from work? >> world war ii. there were price freezes in

the country and couldn't give people raises, they said we'll tell what you, let you get health insurance and your company can write it off and that's stayed with us since world war ii, that's why you get it at work. >> john: and people change jobs every four years and some people won't quit their jobs, jo want to lose my health insurance. >> you'd rather people own their health insurance, they own their can cars and their health insurance ought to be treated the same way. >> if it were taxed the same people would do it. i don't care what my employer covers. >> they'd buy what works best for them and their family in their own personal situation. >> another point of obamacare that even republicans say i want to keep this. bill o'reilly says this, i think he's wrong, i think you do, too, there are anti-discrimination rules and they sound good to people. we don't want insurance discriminating against me or sick people, that sounds fair. and many republicans say, get

rid of obamacare, but keep the anti-discrimination rules, what's wrong with that. >> the way it's set up. you can the not give incentives to people who stay healthy and weight down, die be diabetes under control. there's 10 billion dollars in this obamacare for jungle gyms, street paths and path ways, nothing to give you incentives for you to get off the couch and put the potato chips and cheeto's away to get out and exercise. >> john: it's illegal to discriminate against smokers under the law. the insurance company could charge president obama more as a smoker than if he quit, but it didn't charge him less than chris christie for being presumably more fit. >> they cannot give the incentiv

incentives. a 20-year-old person goes to the gym every day of the week, perfectly fit i believe is discriminated against in terms of what they're going to have to pay. >> john: and this is one of the useful parts of insurance companies, they're forbidden now to exercise under obamacare, but isn't part of the problem of obamacare in all of this discussion, they're talking about coverage, rather than care, insurance companies mean somebody else pays the bill. and then, nobody cares what things cost. your doctor, your patients ever ask? >> well, very few, because if they are he' covered under medicare and under their insurance, they're less concerned than when they're spending their own money. as a surgeon i had did eight operations on people who met their deductibles for the year and needed the operation before the end of the year and of course new year's eve they got their free operation. if they waited until after january 1st, more money out of their own pocket. we-- >> i should make it clear to the office he's he an

orthopedic surgeon and there's surgeries were kind of operational as far as the timing and you brought this up in that big white house meeting with president obama. >> well, i talked to the president about having people have skin in the the game. that if we had catastrophic coverage for people so they don't lose their house, but sprain their ankle or a sore throat, people would do much better as shopper focused on their own money, when it's their money instead of medicare money or insurance money and nobody spends that money as wisely as they do their own. >> john: president obama, was he waking up to this, polite to you in the meeting. >> he's always polite. but i don't think he fundamentally understands how heb works in america from the standpoint, people are concerned. they want the care they need from the doctor they want at a price they can afford and this health care law, i think, is going to make it worse. >> well, that's bad news, but a market works better for everything else and if we can just get people to pay more of

their own bill. >> but i would think that the left would say to you, that's cruel, senator, you're a rich doctor, but what about the poor people? they can't afford this? >> they have he changed the whole health care system because in this country, a certain number of people who we could do much better to help. but you don't need to destroy what has worked for so long in a way to try to help them. they're much better ways to do it. >> one last question. as a doctor and a senator, i assume makes you somewhat unusual, but nobody goes to tom coburn in the senate and ask him for medical information,'s an obstetrician, but you're an orthopedicist, are they asking you question. >> every day, tom warner, senator from virginia, i need to talk to you about something very important, you know, this is exciting senator john warner, sit next to me, i sat down what is it? he said it's my left knee and

continued to get folks the orthopedic advice. >> john: mri's and-- >> and he had a, he had a disc of his mcht mri ap i was happy to look at it with him. >> and thank you, senator. and one of these scooters free? you might as well get one next. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] some people just know how to build things well. give you and your loved ones an expertly engineered mercedes-benz... ho ho ho! ...at the winter event going on now. but hurry -- the offer ends january 3rd.

>> now, more free stuff. you may have remembered the show when mike huckabee and i got free golf carts courtesy of the bloated government. tonight another cool machine for you and it's totally free. you've probably seen the ads for products like this one. >> you may qualify for a power chair or scooter at little or no cost to you. call now the scooter store

delivered over half a million to people just like you. >> john: no cost to people like you. sounds great except nothing is really free. the power wheelchairs cost you taxpayers via medicare about $3,000 each. now, medicare pays less than $1,000 for a scooter like this one. i think it's pretty good. it's maneuverable, yet, lots of people, probably most people get the chair. why? when they cost much more. there are less flexible and the u.s. inspector jn say most the people who get the power chairs don't need them shouldn't have gotten them. now, this is a little complicated. so here to try to explain is jean, and jennifer, jennifer's father invented the first version of the scooter that gene and i sitting on. jennifer tell us about it. >> my dad invented the first mobility scooter you're on 1968 for a family members with

multiple sclerosis, 34 years later, i work with him daily and in michigan. >> and at the time people paid for these with their own moneys. >> yes, out of cash. >> and most of the customers were people like gene. >> yeah. >> gene, you had polio as a child. >> correct, yes. >> john: you discovered the scooter and made a difference. >> i saw it illustrated at an exhibit in washington d.c. and i thought i've got to have one of these things so i paid $900, i called up al in michigan, and he sent it to me. and i've used one every since. >> what can you do with it? i'll get out of way, show me. >> okay, i can do amazing things with the scooter. first of all, it's got a very, very small turning radius and i can go forward and backwards and i can also use my electric seat lift to put me into just

about any position that my daily life requires, getting in and out of bed. on and off the toilet. you know, they exist and that's very important and in and out of the shower, so, that is one of the-- i use it all the time and enables me to move up to the kitchen sink and wash dishes or to the stove where i cook every day. so, i find this enorm mustily flexible. >> john: it's like you're doing a commercial with this thing. you can't do this with a power chair. >> you can't do some things i'm doing. and they're adding some features and i believe some power chairs have electric seat lifts. >> john: what's your complaint? >> that the playing field is not level right now. so if you need add mobility aid and you went into a medical dealer you could receive a power wheelchair for free or you would have to a pay about $1500 for a product like an amigo. >> john: and this is--

oops? this is because (laughter) >> careful, too. >> this is because the government reimburses everybody $3,000 for the fancy power chair. >> yes. >> john: but $1,000 for this thing. >> and federal reports have shown there are 300, 400% profit being made on the power wheelchairs and peechl want an amigo-- >> you complaint to the government. they've said what. >> we've sent letters and tried to contact them and they don't see a need for the change. to ask them to increase reimbursement for products like an amigo doesn't make sense to them. when you're looking at the big picture and to increase the reimbursement for this, it could save millions and millions of dollars for medicare. >> and obamacare will increase this kind of stuff because obamacare means somebody else is paying for more stuff and i would think more people are going be to buy the expensive stuff if it's free? >> i think if you gave people

-- i know that if you gave people a choice on which product they wanted more people would choose a product like this, because it better suits their needs. right now the choice is taken away. >> john: would you choose this the other thing costs three times as much, must be better. >> i come from an era when you try to save the government money not spend government money. >> john: isn't the other thing better it costs three times as much, wouldn't you rather have. >> john, you know just because something cost more, doesn't make it better. >> john: you can do more with this. >> i can do more with this. i forgot to show you the flip back arms and see, i can get them out of the way and move just everywhere. and you know, side to side, to the positions that i need to go in. this is, this is for me, the only thing that i would ever want to have. >> john: all right. well, we asked the two big power chair companies about this, that they make, make a $3,000 chair and advertise them widely and scooter store

said no comment. hover said 60% of things need these things, hover round covers 7, 8% of the people call after seeing the commercials and don't want to wrongly qualify anyone because they get audited frequently and on craigslist we found ads of seller's of wheelchairs and said never used or hardly used. those people didn't need them. jennifer you're getting reimbursed and i'm sure a lot of people get these who don't need them because the government pays. >> 70% ever reimbursements are power wheelchairs and 3% are on products like this, the reason is not what's the best product for the customer's needs it's the biggest profit margin unfortunately. >> john: why would the doctors qualify people for the triple

priced device? >> a lot of times they don't realize it and don't know the difference between the two products and it's based on profit margins. >> and the people come in and say i saw the tv commercial, it's free, i want one. >> yes, so many people are receiving the power wheelchairs that don't need them. which is wasting taxpayer dollars and then frustrating customers who realize that's not the right product for them. >> john: thank you jennifer and gene. and the wanton spending of your tax dollars is what happens when someone else pays for your health care, when someone else pays for 100% of anything you don't care what it costs. people need some skin in the game and they would shop around and save money and find out what kind of chair would be the cheaper that they really need. but obamacare moves in the other direction so i'm going to leave the student, consult with the libertarian experts and when i return, a libertarian take on what we should have instead of obamacare. get the technology they love, on the network they deserve.

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>> here is the president signing obamacare. politicians and activists were so happy. now, everyone will be covered. the trouble is, covering everyone means less competition. we need that competition in health care because when you don't have real competition, you get products like, well, remember these? these are trevants cars made by east germans, made of plastic. they're a table car and had to put in the oil and gas separately and shake them to mix them. and hard to drive and spews pollution. it's the pride of east germany

after all, government created it just as our expert created obamacare. >> and do you want the absolutely best car, you get the smartest people together in a room and tell them to design it, but this is what you get. and what if governments designed our cars, do you think we'd have air conditioning or a car that went fast? i don't think so. now, some people say, health care is different, you could live without a car, but everyone needs health care. so, government must make sure everyone's insured. and that sounds kind, but a result of that kindness is that customers don't care what their health care costs. like wise, do you want one of these scooters or do you want its much more expensive $3,000 cousin, the power wheelchair? who wouldn't want one of those when they're free under

medicare, just like the commercials say, but of course, free isn't really free. taxpayers have to go without other things because we pay for these. he when nobody cares or knows what things really cost, costs go through the roof and then the government has to cut because there's no more money and then no one has any choice. now, i don't want to be the grinch here, some people really are helped by these things, but we are individuals with different preferences. if medicare patients spent more of their own money, some would say, i don't need that expensive power wheelchair, i'd much rather pay half as much and get this scooter which works pretty well or do without. but such practical individual choices are discouraged by government health care and medicare. i know, the elderly, they love medicare, but it is a wasteful, unsustainable program and obamacare, here it is, thousands of pages, this

makes that worse. it's time that we move in the other direction. that's our show, thanks for watching. good night.