welcome to "red eye." now to andy levy. what is coming up on it night's show? >> newt gingrich's ex-wife said the former speaker wanted an open marriage. not that ex-wife, the other one. one. we will look at the ballot of ricky perry. and is gossip good for you? between me and you, the guy didn't have a good day. let's just say a certain someone spotted him putting lifts in his shoes.

>> thank you, andy, and that's not true. >> isn't it some. >> those were or -- orthotics. that's what i call tiny lizards. go away. well, she is cuter than a baby panda harvesting rainbows and bunnies. i am here with jed daw dye law be law. ind he is so sharp he can trim hedges with his thoughts. it is the could host of the opie and anthony show. and my sidekick, bill schulz. and if fierce commentary were like flossing i would do him every day in front of the mirror. wake up. and all of his words are for the birds. our "new york times" cory spawn department. -- correspondent. good to see you, pinch. >> void and be league erred. there was enough room for a third b-word, but if there was i would like to think our

editors would have chosen boy sen berry. no reason. i just like that flavor of tea. ♪ all the news that's fit to print, yeah ♪ >> wow. mailing it in again. >> that was delightful. will voters care that newt wanted to share? gingrich's former wife says the candidate asked for an open marriage to continue an affair for the woman who is now his wurnt wife. in an interview -- urent current wife. -- current wife. marion discussed the moment when newt told us about calista. >> he said, yes, but you want me all to yourself. calista doesn't care what i do. >> what was he saying to you, do you think? >> he was asking to have an open marriage, and i refused. >> he wanted an open marriage? >> yes, that i accept the fact that he has somebody else in his life. >> and you said? >> no.

no. >> he is a delightful little elf. >> you know it it wouldn't be a story if she had gone on with the three -- threesom. he is leading romney by six points, but it became before his open marriage was open knowledge. what do voters gathering around the kitchen table think about this latest revelation? >> hi, buddy. buddy seems to like it. >> getting ready for school. >> good to see kathy griffin eats healthy. while we were in the green room, the debate on the other network started, and we were watching it in amazement. the first couple minutes were like explosive diarrhea, but

with words. this is after john asked the question about infidelity, and this is how newt responded. >> i think they are destructive, vicious, negative nature over much of the news media and it makes it harder to govern the country and harder to attract decent people to run for public office, and i am appalled that you would begin a presidential debate on a topic like that. >> i want to go to the next one before i go to our ample guests. ample was an inappropriate term. this is when he was talking about how everybody shares the same kind of path, i guess. >> every person in here knows personal pain. everyone here has had someone close to them go through painful things. to take an ex-wife and make it

two days before the primary, a significant question in a presidential campaign is as close to despicable as anything i can imagine. >> so given that this question was deeply offensive to him, boy did it help him. you couldn't have asked for a better question to start this off. >> i liked the leet he who is without sin -- let he who is without sin cast him out the door. you, you are all like me! how dare you? >> that's a good point. he was talking about personal pain, but he was grouping the pain givers and the pain geters together. haven't we all done these horrible things 1234 -- things? >> i have cheated on all of you. >> i have suggested many threesoms, but i don't nail myself to the cross. a lot of them said no. we know what it is like?

you have cancer. >> jedediah, you have to admit that was an impressive way to start off a debate. >> i think this is the newt everyone loves and everyone has been missing. we all hate the mainstream media and we can rally behind him in that point. with these attacks on being capital and attacks on capitalism, he had the horrible paul ryan moment months ago. and he seems to be attacking conservatism. people are saying, what is wrong with you? did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed? this is the newt i can vote for. he knows how to work the crowd. >> bill, the big question is how can john king come back after this? >> his career is over. his career is over. i am not even kidding, he looked like his lip was quivering. he got a sound talking to. having said that, it was a totally legitimate question. it doesn't talk about how much

you have pain or decent people. he was implying that he was a decent person to begin with. the fact of the matter is i don't care if newt had 20 wives and cheated on all of them of the in fact, i would be impressed. but that's not the point. the point is the huh poke craw see. after he had the alleged conversation with wife number two, he went and spoke to a bunch of republican women about declining moral values in america. not to mention calista. newt converted to catholicism. this is a life long catholic. this is someone who is devout. and yet for awhile, not only was she the other girl, but she said she didn't, quote, care about being the other girl. these are issues that probably should be examined. >> i like the do as i say and not as i do. >> do i say and not as i do. >> if you want to lead the country and be this moral compass, i don't think you have to be moral yourself. >> you could know what the

right thing to do is yet not do the right thing. >> speaking of the country. how about that standing occasion? -- standing ovation? >> it is christians for forgiveness. gavin, here is the deal. if you don't have an exthat has horrible stories about you, you haven't lived. i'm sorry. how many exes could talk about you? if you ran for office what horrible things would come out? >> if you include jamaica probably about 299 women. have you nptsed divorcees have a tone when they say men. they say "men." remember judy davis in "husbands and wives" she says," men, they love you until you show your age, and then they want to trade you in for a younger model." they are always going "men." he could have said, i am with someone else, and if you want to continue the marriage we can just have it continue and have separate rooms. and then she said, oh, an or

joe, is it? no, not an orgy. no, no to the orgy. >> oh my god. >> basically he didn't want to get a divorce, but he wanted to date this other woman until the moment would be right. >> are you obviously not into me. do you mind if i get it on the side? >> i don't see how that is possible. he is a sexy, sexy man. i am not afraid to say that. isn't this, jedediah, isn't this every ex's dream? how rare is it an exboy ex-boyfriend is running for president and you can finally get him? this is better than keying a car or or leaving angry comments on a blog. >> every woman dreams about this experience. their exboyfriend is running for president. actually i could get a few, but i would pass. i will do something here than i never have before. i am agreeing with bill. this is a character issue. if we can talk about romney's political inconsistency, we

have to talk to newt gingrich and character. i am not saying it should be the first question on debate. but to have that factor in, i think it is legitimate. >> what about the fact -- let's talk about timing. there is two elements of timing involved. the timing of the interview being released and the timing of when this actually happened 15 years ago. i'm not sure. i really don't eastbound are. >> but she has already come out with it. it is not breaking news. >> you know what i have learned from this? this was in esquire which proves the biggest point of all, nobody reads esquire. maybe except certain men in salons. >> i have to say i don't agree. i didn't grow up in this country, and i noticed that americans are obsessed with, did he show remorse in the courtroom? what was his personal lifelike? i don't care. john wayne kasey can say murder is wrong, murder is wrong. i don't care what politicians

can do. have gay orgies all day long. just don't spend my money. i don't understand the object obsession with moral character. >> that's the thing. while clinton was doing that with his cigar, moral newt over there was getting at him for doing the exact same thing at the same time. >> i don't want to tell politicians how to live their lives. morality shouldn't be in the political spectrum. >> however, the argument for that is you put yourself in a situation in which you can be blackmailed or interfere with your job. he was on an important phone call during the monica lewinski sexual adventure -- >> it was an adventure. >> in fact, that was the name of the movie on lifetime. it is like, okay, what if it is a perverse, sexual thing? it can be used against you. >> i don't understand why the idea that is the best president we can possibly have has to have thought about being president since he was

five and not screw it up during his entire life? >> that's an evil person. a person that runs his life according to the fact that he is running for president, ie, barack obama. that's man -- manchurian. >> he is somebody that screwed up quite a few times. >> he was in politics. the point is you can't go out there and preach morality, and then behind closed doors be leading a separate life. >> these guys are powerful politicians that live in dc and they have come to accept that their behavior in general is different from everybody else. it is like being a rock star, but you are fat and ugly. >> that's why they call it politics. >> it is the overall situation too. all politicians lie. i don't care he has a knar saw

cystic personality disorder. they all do. the way he handles every wife makes him look like a sociopath, and that can be an issue. >> however, the way he handles the questions makes him a great leader. >> he killed the rebuttal. >> the biggest problem with this thing is it is forcing us to picture newt gingrich nude with several different ladies. >> he looks like a seven-year-old british boy with the bangs -- >> no, he is an american ben thee hill. >> there is nothing forced about that. it comes to me quite easily. before this even happened. >> get it out. from an ex-wife to an excandidate. well, he peaked five months too early and now perry is so very gone. when rick entered the race last summer he was the instant front-runner, but after debate and performances and poor showings and iowa and new hampshire, he decided enough

is enough. >> after today i am suspending my campaign and endorsing newt gingrich for president of the united states. >> so what now for perry? >> i wonder if he knows when it is time to make a strategic repeat so he will leave the trail and wind down his 2012 campaign. >> i know when it is time to make a strategic retreat. so i will leave the trail and return home to texas and wind down my 2012 campaign. >> i am good at this stuff. at any rate, perry said he was done fighting for the cause of conservatism and this was the end. >> i am not done fighting. -- fighting for the cause of conservatism. as a matter of account fa, i have just begun to fight. >> meanwhile, gop officials say rick santorum, the guy in the vest won the iowa caucuses

and not romney. after tallying the certified results. for more let's go to our red eye senior political correspondent. >> here is a cricket. yes. >> and that was the size of a thimble of the yes, i wanted to make it a little more adorable for you. i was telling you it was this big. >> a big furry dumb -- gum drop. >> that's lunch. >> jedediah, it is amazing how quickly perry fell. everybody put their hopes on him and he just -- >> terrible debate performances. unfortunately that matters. i think it is interesting that he went and endorsed newt

gingrich now after he was just saying a month ago that if you cheat on your wife, you cheat on your business partner. and technically voters, those will go to santorum. >> what is more damaging that endorsement or the ex-wife? >> those voters are important. i think the pay lynn -- the palin endorsement, i think that held a lot of weight. >> at this point a perry endorsement is like perry advice. >> the thing that depresses me is that he has a great record in texas, he is is a solid guy, seems likable, but because he sucks on tv, he ain't going anywhere. >> george w sucked on tv.

the perry campaign sums up everything. he said i am having doubts, and then he had a stupid speech about the long haul. i fight for the children until the end. and then 10 days later, i'm out. >> they lie and they will help out their buddies. >> they also convene yuanly paired up on beating up on romney. and i think there was something going on there. >> are you saying they were having an affair? >> i am not saying that. >> we can't confirm that. >> i am not saying that. >> jedediah, this is a family show. >> it is all we have. >> we are so petty. >> we are not running for office. >> last word to you, anthony. you have been following the whole political process for

40, 50 years. have you seen anything like this? >> no, i like this rock em, sock em robot atmosphere. i just wonder what it will be like when they go after obama and obama goes after them. it is odysseying them beat up on each other. i liked when perry got into the race. he had a presidential look when he opened his mouth. he had the texas bush swagger thing going. >> i like that. it is honest. >> but when he got to the debate it always looked like he was playing pin ball slowly. it was like this. >> the booze didn't help. >> i think he had back surgery and he couldn't move. they put him like this, and maybe there was that one time he was having too much fun. that was that speech. but have i to say to me it bothers me he is a good guy,

but good guys don't win. you have an alpha male through and through. all right. coming up, should homely people be allowed to vote? we discuss jedediah's new book "in my perfect world they would be food." >> what? >> okay. what is the latest in mascot news? you better sit down for this one. if you are already sitting disregard the previous sentence.

they said no way to a dumb cliche. yes, a utah high school, is there any other really? they have rejected a mascot of a cougar because it can be seen as offensive to older women. that's a cougar there. officials put the caw -- the

kabosh on the cat because of the appropriateness. the webster's dictionary say it can be slang for a middle aged woman seeking a romantic relationship with a younger man. the school in the suburb of salt lake city since settled on the even lamer money gnaw customer, the chargers which could be construed as a typical woman with a credit card. meanwhile, write in mascot candidate the corgie failed to garner a single vote. >> she makes everything better. wouldn't a cougar mascot in a way that will bring a better class of older, sexually frustrated fans into the stands. >> cougars are bad ass, hot.

>> that's the only one people bring up. >> the only one you can think of is the miserable one whose husband just had sex with a blonde. >> that creepy neighbor that gardens in her kneeing -- kneeing -- neglishay. >> the drunken old broad in a bathroom. that's what i think of when i think of cougar. >> i think of a hot woman that kept herself well. >> i remember when all of this went down in the early 1990s we were starting a business and you had to [bleep] your way to the top. the women in marketing, they were all 40-year-old woman. we did our duty and laid back and -- >> you mean you took them to dinner jie. yes, we took them to dinner, and we started -- i

remember there was a design firm in toronto, and they were the first to come up with the term. and then women started hearing it and they did that thing where they turn it around saying actually it is a cool thing, rarr. going out with hunks. and then courteney cox says, my show is called "cougar town." we are owning the word. and then they say fine, our team is cougar, cool? no, that word is insulting! sorry. >> here is the thing, anthony, this is a word that meant something important to an animal for many, many centuries, but now -- they don't have a choice in this. no cougars are going to go out there and say, wait, that's us. >> i don't understand why it is taken as something that is recently being used instead of the animal that had it since eating cave men. >> you are the chicago bears and it is a bear, no that is a gay, hairy man.

>> it is not going to be a cougar in lipstick. it will have the animal on the helmet going, rarr, not a lady. >> panthers are scared now they will be pedophiles. >> it probably will now that you have mentioned it. there are three other utah schools and one university with the name cougar. should they all expect their names to change? >> yes, probably. but the favorite part is the citing of the webster's drixary that makes it -- dictionary that makes it legit. the webster's dictionary that says an older woman who engages in a romantic affair with a younger man. i had no idea that having sex with a pimply runt in a motel 6 was considered romantic. >> fun fact, that particular websters dictionary was actually owned by emmanuel lewis. it wasn't the actual webster's dictionary. >> it wasn't the merrium kind. >> no, it was the adorable, uh president dod off spring.

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welcome back. let's go to anally levey. dash >> let's go back to andy levy. >> gingrich's wife wanted an open marriage. you thought he was in gang of four? >> he was j-o-n, john. >> won't be calling him for tickets. >> he is a tourist. >> anthony, you said you love gingrich and it was him -- he was without sin and cast the first -- >> i sort of agree with bill. i mostly wouldn't care except that gingrich talks about the sank tau tee of marriage. >> did he? >> well, he is big on that. >> i took vows too with the sank tau tee of marriage and i threw that out. >> pretty much in the same way gingrich did. he has my vote.

>> i would like to say i support the sank tau tee of open marriage. >> you know those things -- what do you call those? >> why do you want everything shortened? >> you want an acro anymore? >> cast the first stone thing, can't we say the stone castor thing? >> we can do that. >> the stone castor sounds like 5* news anchor though. >> the show, the stone castor. >> jedediah you said the newt who was attacking conservatism, the newt in the debates was the newt people were saying this is the newt i can vote for. but it is the same newt. it is the same guy. >> they don't see it that way. people hate newt the politician, but they love newt the debater. they have to realize this is the same guy. >> i don't understand that. >> i don't either. about the marriage thing, a gay friend of mine was siting

on a couch with me the other night and said, look at this little wink he just gave. >> after we were done making out. >> he said to me, this guy is going to lecture me about gay marriage? gay marriage is not a good idea, and the guy's whole entire personal history has been a disaster. >> what was your friend friend's name? >> she is a friend who has a lovely girlfriend. >> remember, jedediah, it is adam and eve and calista and not adam and steve. >> that's true. >> bill, you said the question was legitimate that was -- that i agree with it, but to start off the debate with it? >> i didn't say that. i said the question as it stood was good. was the timing great? maybe not. i am not a debate organizer. you can look at my resume if you don't believe me. >> let's face it. this is a question that every -- that is on everybody's mind and it helped newt. >> it absolutely helped newt. i don't think it was the

intention of the question show. -- though. >> i don't know. >> don't they know by now though that this is what they do best? >> throw that out there and that is going to be his shining moment. >> around here we like to say that's his wheel house. and that is an evergreen promise. >> it is a word we invented in the red eye pod. >> that's where we keep our wheels. >> you said isn't it everybody's dream to get back -- every ex's dream to get back at their ex, but i thought that's what facebook was for. >> nobody has had an opportunity to say, i will take down the guy running for president because he wronged me. >> herman cain had all of these women coming out. gi those weren't ex's though. they were people who didn't exist. >> they exited. -- existed. they came up to here on him.

they said go have gay orgies, just don't spend my money. >> we have a pact at those things. >> one of the things i noticed, ron paul, whom i love, was particularly small about his ma nothing go me. he was also an obgyn for 10 years. it is easy to be married for 54 years because it loses its luster. so when somebody is saying, can i lure you away from your wife? you say no, i'm good, thanks. i saw like nine today. looks like stanley with his eye out. >> if i see another one of those. >> rick perry drops out. >> jedediah, i will miss rick perry most of all, but i don't know why. >> he is a real guy. he felts like the only living and breathing human being that wasn't pre programed on the stage. >> but he still looked

programed. >> he looked stiff, but when he talked and made mistakes there is something endearing about him. when he said oops. >> exactly. you know he had cowboy boots on which makes everything better. >> you want to pat him on the head. >> it was fun watching him malfunction. >> the upside is he will be able to play his very own snl character. >> that is true. >> he will be competing with josh brolin. >> i hate him. >> you said a perry endorsement is as good as a perry debate performance. i don't agree. a lot of conservatives really, really like perry. >> they should go and speak to him and get some advice. >> horrible. >> he named it, not me. >> he didn't name it. >> he didn't erase it. >> you are an idiot. i >>- q. he didn't erase -- >> he didn't erase it. >> i love you, but get your talking points. >> all of those were facts and it is not in the form of a

memo. >> gavin, a couple weeks ago perry was talking about how he was staying in the race and talking about the children, and then he drops out. don't you think he just didn't want to be in the debate tonight? >> when they say something with such conviction like i am in it until the end, we are at war and we have children in this country. i am here forever, and then 10 days later, this is not going anywhere. >> in all seriousness, he was dead last in south carolina. he needed to -- that's where he launched his campaign. he needed to do well there, and he clearly wasn't going to. get out and throw your support -- >> don't pretend you are one of those guys who will know he will lose and dives off the cliff going, here i go. >> i think he was going to maybe rebound before south carolina and then he saw it wasn't happening. >> don't say you are in it to win it if you are not in it to win it. >> it is fun to rhyme. >> cougar mascot is offensive

to women. you say a design firm is the first to use the term cougar. i >>- q. i stand by that. -- >> i stand by that. 1994. >> that is interesting. the research i found said it was traced back to 1999 to a website called cougar date .com. you may be on to something. you need to let people know about this. >> i have. this is not the first time this has come up. >> you can find their website and contact them. it is two brothers that run the organization, and they have said, look, don't spread this around on tv, but as far as we know, we were the first to say that. >> they also said please don't say you [bleep] to the top. i am in it to win it no matter what i will shut my mouth. >> that's your wheel house. >> greg, you said demi moore is the only cougar people think of. what about susan sarandon? >> tim robins' grandmother? >> terrible. >> what is terrible? they broke up.

she cheated on him, i say, without fact. >> she was the original demi moore. >> she was. and she was a very, very pretty, sexy woman and i loved her in "rocky horror." i was like 14 and she changed my world. >> remember "bagel boy"? >> it was steven or david katchamucci. >> but cougars are sad. they are like gay trolls with young boys. sorry, it is an insult. >> the guys were called the boy toys. >> i am with jedediah. i think originally it was an offensive term, but it has been appropriated and turned around. >> it is a hot thing. >> where are the 14-year-olds lying and dying of dreaming of a stockbroker who has a house in the hamptons. >> i am here with you. >> i think at bill's apartment.

>> i am pro crager -- i am pro cougar. call me. >> that's what it is about. >> i am done. >> thank you, andy. coming up, bill pullman is dead, tired of being miss taken for bill paxton. can't say i blame him. they are two different people. first, what were carrie, samantha and the other chick like when they were young? probably as annoying as they are now in their late 60s.

thousand talk smack behind someone's back? according to researchers at uc berkeley gossip is good and spreading info about a person who has misbehaved and can help maintain social order and lower stress. we tend to look at gossip as a bad thing.

much of what we call gossip is driven by a sincere desire to help others. see, andy the rumor i spread about your back hair was meant to help you. shall we discuss this in the -- >> lightning roooouuunnnnnddd. lightning round. >> gavin, do you find that men gossip more now than they did before? >> it is just gossip for men. my family is scottish and it is an intra gal part of our culture, gossiping. i love it. i don't understand why it is considered a feminine thing. in scotland if you say -- they will say -- and that means i am healthy. >> she is all friends it is a bloody house call with no pants on. >> that is scots land.

-- scotland. >> if -- it goes out to a headline. >> one headline was man's head found in collide. that's the river that goes through. the headlines there are unbelievable. >> do you find the gossip -- are you a woman. gossip is therapeutic to you. is it like knitting? >> no, much like many feminine things, i hate gossip. it is just lies. it is like the game telephone. by the time it gets down the line it is a total distortion of what has happened. i don't like it. >> sorry. what you are talking about is a bad thing with gossip, and it is like saying drugs are bad because people die of heroin. it is gossip in the purest form. >> i just don't like to spread information about other people. >> you just told me about your friend. >> she would be proud i

mentioned her on tv. >> oh really? >> i think -- she would rather you mention them together. >> she is not my lesbian girlfriend. she is my lesbian girlfriend like a friends. >> you can turn that into a fiancee real quick, sister. cuomo made it happen. >> boring, don't want to hear it. >> no, i mean, there is a difference between telling people about your life and spreading gossip. >> she used to shave her head and was a nazi lesbian chick and now she is conservative. i have photos of her. >> look what i got. i got what tattooed on my bottom lip so when people drop a bomb and they said, he used to be a woman and i can just go -- designed for gossip. gossip has to be vicious to be gossip or you are just talking to each other. i think gossip is now is a lot

more vicious and a lot more anonymous. gossip used to be between people. it went from house to house and wash woman to wash woman. and now it is just some anonymous guy going your morning show sucks. >> that's insult. >> she is making a good point. boys love gossip. >> do tell. >> we have a sewing circle going on around here. we have been talking about you a lot lately miss thang. >> if by sewing you mean 8 ball. >> it is a glass table for a reason. we have to take a break. when we come back. more something.

welcome back. i apologize if i can't tell you what they are talking about. the "new york times" recently crunched some census data that sounds violent, but they determined that the top 1% of earners -- wow i am reading

this horribly. all right. no, i will not start over. the "new york times" looked at census data. they wanted to find out what did the top 1% major in. they want the best chance of raking in the most cash. the top earners were economics by a medical sciences. anthony, are you in the top 1% as far as i can tell. and the moment i find the question i want to ask you, what did you major in? >> smoking marijuana in high school. i left in the 11th grade and i never went to college. i have a pool and movie theater and bar in my house. have i sports cars and i went to atlantic city and gambled 6,000, 7,000 a hand.

>> that is my kind of census data. >> why don't the occupy yes, sirs start protesting hospitals. they are barking at the wrong guys. >> why weren't they mad at hollywood or professors. professors get a year off every seven years. they get a whole summer off to do what? >> they get to have sex with co-eds. i agree with you. jedediah, wouldn't a better idea would be to find out what the occupy yes, sirs majored in and we can find out whatnot to major in? >> it is a lot of poetry and liberal arts going on there. i feel like there is a lot of artistic energy in the occupy movement fnlt 245* would be my guess. -- that would be my guess. >> at our school there was philosophy of self. philosophy of love was a class. >> i majored in spanish

literature. >> a lot of women majored in that. >> i was an english major. i don't know what you are, and i don't know what it has to do with majoring. >> frankly i am kind of concerned. >> wait, you bought that? wow. i don't even think that is an actual class. >> i get the pre med thing because people get sick, but zoology? we have a need in society -- >> from a guy that is obsessed with the wolly mammoth? >> i am not generating the wooly mammoth all day. >> you spend a lot of time --

>> we have to take a break. we will close things out with a pot game wrap up. -- post game wrap up.

see you back here at 5:00 p.m. eastern time for "the five." coming up tomorrow, joe derosa. why on a friday bring me down? we have remi spencer and matt mccal. >> tv's andy levy and post game wrap up. we can replace joe, right? >> gavin, what is your new book about? >> it is called how to [bleep] in public. it is a hilarious compose yum of funny memwiors. i will just look up compose yum and make sure it is a

word. >> i think compendium is the word you wanted. >> composium is a musical compendium. >> this book, can i point >> i am up for an award for the best -- i have had a show for 17 years and no recognition. i drink and go in my basement with a camera and i am brilliant. >> the ride yo show pays better. >> true. >> but i don't know. singing in the basement drunk is fun.