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>> it's a mess because the republicans unfortunately are playing into obama's hands. i think. now, you could say if somebody were just going to win and run out the clock which happened last time with a good guy john mccain and six months nobody talked to about him and then you had the election and it wasn't so good. because he was taken out of the news. at least this way mitt and newt are in the news all the time 24/7. the case can be made that maybe it's better that it's going on like this. sarah palin, who i think is fantastic, by the way. she made the case that let it keep going, let it keep going. so, you know, maybe it's not so wrong. >> last time we spoke you said you were very close tone dooring. are you close tone dooring. >> at some point i'm going to make an endorsement over the next period of time. i'm watching it he have closely. i want somebody that is going to win he want somebody that

will do a great job. i will make the endorsement. >> sean: newt gingrich and mitt romney. give me off the top of your head what you think are their bigger strengths and weaknesses. >> both good men. both good people. i know them both and i have really gotten to know them both very well. i love what newt is doing with respect to debates. is he just a natural debater. like we were talking just a little while ago about natural golfers, some people are naturals, they just have an ability. >> sean: i'm not and you are. >> whatever. there are some people in sports. is he a natural born debater. is he really very good. in the last debate he was very toned down. i don't know if that was on purpose or whatever. there were a lot of good opportunities he would have had. i think he wanted to tone down the rhetoric and maybe that's a good thing. is he very, very good at at that i think he would do great against obama in the debates. it's a big plus because we know the importance of debates. you look at nixon/kennedy. kennedy was never going to

win. it was going to be a romp. they debated and it was over. kennedy won because did he well. nixon didn't do so well. learned a lot. wore the wrong suit. looked gray. >> sean: didn't put makeup on. those who listened on radio thought nixon had won that debate. >> i see. very interesting. can i understand that. whole big thing. you don't wear gray suits when you are in the debates and don't wear certain kind of ties esm he didn't look good. he was sweating. the debates play very big presidential. that's very strong. i really have gotten to know mitt and i like him a lot. i wish he could come across like he does one-on-one. you may say the same thing. he is a tremendous guy. great guy. i also wish he would be a little bit more proud of his successful. he has really become and he has done a great job. he has put a lot of people to work. as an example when he talks about bain and bain capital he always says well, i had some good ones and bad ones. you leave the bad ones out.

your opponents will mention the bad uns with. you don't have to mention that he should be proud of his success and be proud of the american dream. hey, look, i published my financial statement. >> bill: in your book. >> i published it i don't care. i'm proud of it it i mean, i employ thousands and thousands of people. i'm very proud of it. i actually put my financial statement in the book that i was going to do for government. i said, hey, it's ready, it's there. we took the summary pages we put them in the book. i'm very proud of the fact that i did a great job. i have done a great job. lots of cash, very little debt. great net worth and that's what the country needs. >> do you think is he playing it too safe? playing not to lose and not playing to win and maybe newt is a little bit more bold but riskier strategy? >> it's also presentation. i tell him just go out there and present because they are stuttering and stammering. sort of like when we are talking about the tax returns if you didn't see them the tax

returns look like they're fine. if you didn't see the tax returns you would think there is almost like something wrong. what's wrong? because it was so tentative. and i really think he is a terrific guy. i think he would do a very good job. i don't think people understand him. i don't think they know him. and he has got to get that across. he has got to somehow get that across. >> sean: it seems he is having a harder time getting a conservative base. you need a conservative base to get this nomination. >> you do. >> sean: newt seems to energize him. >> newt feels more comfortable. that doesn't mean is he better or anything else. but i think he feels more comfortable, perhaps, talking to you and talking to other people. than mitt. mitt doesn't feel comfortable. and, yet, when you are with him one-on-one, great guy. and if that could come across a little bit more, i think he would do very well. i think he is going to do very well. >> sean: are you concerned at all about the back and forth? it's really gotten ugly. you spent a lot of time in florida. the ad wars are going on.

>> it's unbelievable. >> sean: all negative and all against each other. not bringing up obama. back and forth on pretty superfluous stuff. >> it's going to be in the race for some time. nobody is losing the race quickly. going to be over after florida and now it looks like it could last for months, literally months and maybe to the convention. that may be a good thing. we are going to see what happens. >> sean: you said yesterday on your twitter account. that evong can a, your daughter would want you to run for president still. have we not resolved this yet? >> she actually said on her account and i thought that was good. it shows i have a daughter who loves me and beautiful daughter and wonderful daughter. she loves her father. so that's nice. i'm sure your family wants you -- >> sean: i would hope my kids. >> want for president. >> sean: i don't think everyone wants their father to run for president. >> are you still thinking

about it? there is a movement to get independent opening on all 50 states. you saw i was the number one choice in the poll to run as independent. i was very impressed by that. ends mid may. i'm not allowed to do anything because of some really unfair laws having to do with equal time. if you are on a show or if you have a show, especially a big show like the apprentice you are not allowed to. >> sean: that's crazy. >> obama can go on shows and do interviews and can fly around on a 747 and laugh how stupid as everybody is as he sits with his wife and looks out the window and says baby, look where we are. this is great. do you believe how stupid those people are? look at us. and he has done a lousy job as president. now, there is no problem with that but if i have a show, i have a show and i'm not allowed to do anything. i'm not allowed to do anything until mid may, after that i'm

a free agent. >> you are saying you are likely tone doors soon. >> if i endorse and that person loses that's possible too. if i endorse somebody, i'm not going to be running against them. that person, i promise. >> sean: what happened in south carolina was really unique. you had these two big debates. newt comes out. he has a battle with juan williams, john king and all of a sudden it's almost a 30 point shift in a week. >> unbelievable. >> sean: wins by pretty large margin in south carolina. debates have played a big part in the nomination process. all right. how big is that going to factor in? in other words, somebody's ability to get in obama's face, confront him, debate him, be forceful because i would imagine if you were a candidate that's what you would do. >> i would love to debate obama. you have so much material. i would love to debate obama. i think, again, you get back down who is going to do better in debates. thus far newt has done better in debates.

romney has done very well in debates. >> sean: they have all gotten better. >> they have all gotten better. they both did very well in the debate. i would say again newt is a master at the debate. i think is he a little bit more in your face and that's what we need. up next donald trump unleashes sharpest critique of governor obama to date jan brewer is here to tell us why she felt quote threatened by the president during their heated exchange in phoenix. you don't want to miss this. ♪

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>> and welcome back to "hannity." sean sat down with donald trump and they covered a lot of ground, including the president's state of the union address. take a look. >> sean: the president used a lot of class warfare rhetoric. >> totally, totally. >> sean: all right. does it work? 47% of americans don't pay taxes. does that resonate with them? what does it mean when a president stokes the embers of class hatred, resentment, envy? what does it mean? >> he's doing the right thing for him and the wrong thing for the country. very bad for the country. there is tremendous animosity. look, i have been doing this stuffr stuff for a long time. i have been very political person. i have always been involved in politics. and i have never seen animosity and hatred like have you going on in this country today. and do to whether it's up on

occupy wall street up on or whatever they are occupying, a lot of that is an obama thing. now they want to up on the white house. i saw they were all over at the white house last week. but i have never seen the kind of animosity -- and even hatred that i see today. even with the republicans and democrats. you know, they used to fight, tip o'neill and these guys and then they go to lunch. they don't do that. >> sean: i was on the street in new york with you, people in new york don't hate you, they like you. "donald, how are you?" you have done a lot for the city of new york. there is no resentment towards you. but for whatever reason, this seems to resonate. he can't run on his record. he is going to divide the country and he accumulated $5 trillion in debt. >> it's out of control. there is no way he can run on his record. how he didn't approve the pipeline is amazing. that would be a very positive

thing for him politically, not as a republican, democrat, everybody. forget what's good, it would have been good for him politically because even people who were on his side, he lost with that one. >> sean: what about newt's argument that he's the food stamp president? got 12 million more americans on food stamps. 47 million americans in poverty. >> i watched the show the other night and you were giving the numbers and newt happens to be right. >> sean: then they say that's a racial comment. >> they say he's racist. anybody who says anything bad about obamga is racist. if you question how did he get into harvard, columbia, he was a bad student here, bad student here, bad student everywhereue are a racist. if you question how come his mother was never in the hospital but he was born in the hospital, you are a racist. you say to yourself, i wonder what does this have to do with

racism? but any time -- i saw the other day. i saw a very angry person yesterday get off a plane -- >> sean: was it alec baldwin? >> it wasn't, who i actually like. >> sean: he does have anger management issues. >> no, no. he gets off the plane with the governor of arizona, a terrific woman who was up here recently -- >> sean: jan brewer. >> and she was really upset about the way he spoke to her and nobody writes that. >> sean: could you imagine being that hyper sensitive, thin skinned? one description in a book and that angry that they are on the tarmac, he is confronting the governor of the state. >> people don't know the real obam a. he is a much different man than people think. they think he is a nice guy. he is a much different person

than people think. and obama is a different person than people understand. you have a little glimpse of that yesterday when he verbally attacked the governor, who is a nice woman-- the governor of arizona. you got a little bit of a glimpse. but that's just a little bit of a glimpse. obama is not a nice person. you know, they say -- i even listen to newt and mitch say no, he's a nice man, but he doesn't know what he's doing -- >> sean: they have to say that. >> well, i don't think you have to say t. i don't think there is anything nice about him. i understand people. that's what i do. a made a lot of money. i am worth a lot of money. i have great success. do i that not by deals. have you to understand psyche. have you to understand people. the real obama's a much

different person than people think. >> sean: it's funny you say that, i tried to warn people about the real obammasm we did a real series about the real obottom athe radical obama, the community organizer, a.c.o.r.n., reverend wright, bill ayers, father flager. all of these backgrounds, they hide his records, school records, et cetera. >> there are no records. >> sean: everyone was chanting, yes, we can obama. can he pull it off again? this time, he has a record. >> yeah, he can pull it off because the republicans may self destruct. >> sean: what do you mean by "self destruct"? >> i really believe that a reasonably good candidate will beat obottom a. i think obama is meant to be beaten. his record's tential, people are tired of it. they want to see the country great. they don't want to see the president holding dinners for the president of china at the white house when all he does is

screw our nation and rip us off. but the real obama, in my opinion, should be beaten and can be beaten. and i actually think, easily. the republicans have to be careful that they don't self destruct, sometime prior to the election. >> sean: i want to get back to defining self-destruct. but let me ask you, we have the next primary in florida. you have a lot of property in florida, you spent a lot of time in florida. if you had to vote in a florida primary, who would you vote for? >> i don't want to say that because that gets too close to endorsement stuffs. >> sean: do you know who you would vote for if you had to vote on tuesday? >> i would say yes, but i don't want do say that at this time. >> sean: do you think there is any issue that makes one candidate electable more than another candidate? do you think any candidate is more electable? do you buy into the electability narrative? >> i do. the big issue is who will win the big race.

and if you thought you liked mitt or newt but he couldn't beat obam ai can't imagine that you would vote that way. like ron paul is an example. people will say, it's interesting, he's an interesting person. he's a nice person. we like him very much. but he's not going to win so let's not vote for him. i think they are probably saying that with santorum to a certain extent. it seems to be a two-man race. i notice paul saying it's not that important. but i think it's important that people vote for the person they think can win against obama. >> sean: you don't know who that person is? >> i have thoughts, but i don't want to spew them out. >> sean: you always lay it out on the line. >> have you asked me before who i like and i want to keep that to myself. >> sean: we are going to watch closely. >> thank you very much. >> coming up, arizona governor jan brewer now says she felt, quote, threatened by president obama yesterday. cameras were there to capture

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>> welcome back to "hannity." well, arizona governor jan brewer got an unexpected greeting from president obama as he arrived in phoenix yesterday.

the governor handed the president a handwritten letter, inviting him to return to scpairz to take a trip to the border with her. that's when things got heated. apparently, the president thought this was an ideal time to critique her book, "scorpions for breakfast." the president reportedly said he was disturbed by some of the passages in the book and felt he was not being treated cordially. according to the governor, she said she felt a little threatened by the exchange. and of course, the white house is defending the tension on the tarmac, saying the whole situation is being blown out of proportion. joiningny set the record straight is arizona governor jan brewer. great to see you as always, governor. i have to say, you had quite the exchange with the president on the tarmac yesterday. what surprised you the most about his intersection with you? >> well, i was surprised that he referred to my book "scorpions for breakfast." i had gone to the airport to

welcome him to arizona and was cheery and happy at heart and got there and was excited, of course, that he was coming to see firsthand the arizona comeback. after we had some exchanges, i talked to him, i had a letter for him. he wanted to know what was in it. i shared with him about the fact that arizona has really led the nation, i believe, in economic recovery and that we have grown in job growth and that i wish i could have the opportunity to sit down and talk with him and share some of the things that we had completed. then the last sentence of the letter, i asked him to -- to come and join me again at the border, or come and join me at the border and that i would buy lunch. and he indicated at that point in time that he was a little uncomfortable, a little unappreciative, if you will of my book and the way he was

portrayed in t. i felt unnerved by the way that he spoke to me about it. but i explained to him that the bottom line is is that i believe what i wrote in the book to be factual and to be true and that i thought it was interesting, of course that he decided to talk about -- about himself and not exactly about what the book really, really was about. it was about immigration and securing our borders. >> you know -- >> it was more about him. >> well and that is sort of the point, isn't it? in this exchange,irs's on the front lines of the illegal immigration invasion. the state has some grave problems, directly connected to the fact that the federal government, the president of the united states, his attorney general and in fact, the government at large, will not deal with this issue. it is their responsibility, they won't do it. so you die guys are trying to deal with it and the fact that you are trying to fend off this or at least engage the president in the issue, the fact that he

took the opportunity to start talking to you about something you characterized your last meeting with him -- i find it remarkable. i guess i am not surprised that he did this with you. but i find it remarkable that he is so thin skinned. >> well, you know, he is very, very sensitive. it's unfortunate because, i mean, we should be talking about the important things that america is facing and what arizona is facing. it's all about the economy. it is all about jobs. of course, i believe america is very concerned about getting our borders secure. we're the gateway for the illegal drugs and for the drug cartel and it is violence and it's their federal responsibility to take care of those kinds of issues and we get no results. when he comes and i want to talk to him, i mean, i love my country. i know the president loves his country. but please! don't come when we are faced with all of these issues of jobs, the economy and a border that's out of control and feel, you know, that the whole issue

is all about the way you are portrayed in my book. i wrote that book in ernest. you know, i was unnerved. but i will stand on what i wrote. it's a truth-telling book. >> i have to say, the exchange has bumped up your book on the best-seller list, so good for ow that. governor, the president has not been to the border. in fact, when i think about his last big confab about illegal immigration at the white house, he had eva longoria, the actress there, but he didn't have you there and he didn't have a single border governor at that meeting. what does that tell you? does that tell you that as long as he's president, you can forget any kind of border enforcement? >> you know, it is really... unsettling to know that he must realize exactly what is going on on the border. in fact, i mean, he did indicate he had my book. he did indicate he had read part of it at least.

he knows we have a problem and not to invite any border governor to that meeting, i felt snubbed. i think we are faced with it on a daily basis. we know what is happening down there. we would like to be able to explain to him what we are faced with and what our citizens are faced with. it doesn't seem to resonate with the white house. it is unfortunate because we are in crisis. i believe we are in crisis. we appreciate the additional troops he has brought to the border, but it is not enough. of course, the illegal immigration camp is probably down because our economy is bad. but we still have four times the population of the city of nogales coming across our border daily -- i mean, yearly. it's out of control. >> i are doing -- you are doing an amazing job. we admire your fearlessness in taking on this illegal immigration oinivation and getting in the president's grill and holding his feet to the fire. you are one of my heroines.

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>> strategeically dropping the name ronald reagan. it's been a consistent political go-to for g.o.p. presidential candidates this election cycle. but more recently, the frontrunners have made the former president the focus of their campaigns. this latest ad from a pro-romney pac called restore our future, claims that reagan rejected the ideas of former house speaker newt gingrich. >> you would think that newt gingrich was ron republican's vice-president. >> i worked with president ronald reagan. >> ronald reagan, president

reagan -- >> gingrich exaggerates, dropping ronald reagan's name, 50 times. but in his memoirs, reagan mentioned gingrich only once and said that his ideas would cripple our defense program. >> but now a newly released video with nancy reagan, praising newt is telling quite a different tale. >> the dramatic movement of 1995 is an outgrowth of a much earlier crusade that goes back half a century. barry goldwater handed the torch to rone and in turn, ronnie turned that torch over to newt and the republican members of congress to keep that dream alive. >> joining me with reaction, fox news contributor, ed rollins and goil -- >> you worked for the great man, helped to get him re-elected in 1984. you must find all of this amusing that reagan is the conservative i. i am sure he is

being down from heaven and find its all amusing. he had less ego than anybody. gingrich was a very important congressional ally. congressmen are not in the white house all day long, giving advice. but me and jack kemp and trent lott and others were among 10 or 12 most important players and most loyal to ronald reagan. mitt romney was an independent and wasn't on the political scene at all. it's stupid argument. they ought to be talk about this future, not the past. >> ed, when you look at the republican candidates right now, they're trying to bask in the reagan glow. do you think any of them are succeeding? >> absolutely not. i think at the end of the day, racingan was reagan with a very unique fogs and he conquered a lot of good things and brought the party together. but we have had the outsider versus the insider, establishment versus conservative and that's what we have again. we have newt as the conservative adzer, whether he was an insider or not doesn't matter and romney is the more moderate

establishment. >> kimberly, when you watch the republican candidates scramble to try to grab hold of the reagan mantle, when you watch this, do you think any of them are succeeding in "i'm the real conservative in this race" position? or do you think the comparison of ronald reagan is working to their detriment? >> i think it works to their detriment. there was only one ronald reagan. he was incredible. everyone wants to emulate and identify with him. i think it's a mistake to self-identify and say i am the real ronald reagan because you are going to fall short. what we are seeing is a manufacturing reagan, whether they will become the next reagan, whoever has the most monet and best advisers to defend the conservative choice, if someone's able to do that, perhaps they will have the sway with the voters am but other than that, i think they are distracted. stand on your own 2 feet, tell us who you are, what you stand for, what your principles are and see if you can connect with the people like he did.

>> i'm so intrigued by the point that kimberly raised. elections are forward-looking events -- >> should be. >> voters say, not just what have you done for me lately, but want what you did for me 20 years ago, but what are you going to do for me tomorrow? >> i wonder if reaching back to the 1980s, i wonder if that hurts these candidates? >> they are but a shadow of what he was. he didn't start out atop. but he had a perfect week with the state of the union speech and the president clearly outlined his campaign and they ought to be talking about how he wants to raise, you know, the capital gains tax to 30%. there are a bunch of things that can be taken apart, instead of killing each other. at the end of the day, in order for this president to win, he has to make us an unacceptable alternative. we are making that for ourselves. >> kimberly, do you agree? >> i really do. when have you to distinguish

yourself against president obama, if you are looking for the best campaigner, he would win by a landslide. show how you define yourself, versus president barack obama and why should someone choose you? we can't bring reagan back. what can you do to bring this country forward? why should we trust with you this future? that's what they have to clear scpimplt keep the focus on barack obama. keep your eye on the prize, defeating the man in the white house with an absolutely abysmal record. >> romney thought he was going to walk through this thing with a sense of entitle scpment there is a resentment, gingrich was dead and gone and now he's challenging him in a very serious way and i think that botherrings him. >> the sense of entitlement, obama's trying to turn us into an entitlement society. you are saying that mitt romney had a seps of entitlement about the nomination? >> he d. this was set up to be the huckabee/romney battle.

mike chose to stay here at fox, to the betterment of fox and someone has been trying to fill the conservative void and now it's mitt. >> what do you make of this pile-on? he is -- newt is getting it from conservatives, bob dole dropped a bomb on him. nancy pelosi said, i have dirt on him, but i can't tell you what it is. what do you make of this coordinated avalanche on top of newt gingrich? >> i don't know if it's coordinated. could it be coincidence of so much pile-on? >> in the party? >> i don't think it's helpful to the party, as a whole, in terms of going forward in this election process. i think it's a real problem. what are they doing beating up on each other? beat up on the guy in the white house. >> politic, right. >> politics 101. at the end of the day, the best candidate will win. >> they have to take incoming from their own side to prepare for obam amount of i have been around a long time. kimberly and i are both

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>> tonight on our great american panel, he was part of the obama campaign media team, steve murphy. she's a columnist for news max and the author of a great book called outnumbered, jedediah bila is here. and he is a long-time radio producer and survived it somehow, bernard mcquirk. let's start with the state of the republican race. we have some seesawing in the polls. mitt romney looks like he's experiencing yet another surge, at least in florida. that primary is on tuesday.

rick santorum will stay in the race through florida. but we have a two-man, four-man race right now. >> i am really happy to see santorum stay in the race. i have a hard time understanding why conservatives have not latched onto him more. i think it's a delivery problem. sometimes he seems frustrated. i think he is frustrated with the obama administration and sometimes it comes off that he is frustrated. i saw the debate tonight. i thought he hit major points home, but he looked agitated. i think if he can tweak his delivery, he may pull some weight with conservatives. >> steve, what do you think you? are coming at this from the democrats' perspective? but do you think that santorum has to out-perform in florida to continue? >> i think he valid to win in florida. >> you are talking about money and organization. >> yes. romney will have to lose in florida in order for this to

continue. if romney wins in florida, it's over within a couple of weeks. the republican party is innocent love with romney, like the rest of america. "the wall street journal" polls shows he has really bad numbers with independents. i think this whole thing has been absolutely pathetic. santorum's a good example. you have people in a debate booing a gay soldier, cheering the idea of letting sick people die, santorum -- >> that's not what they are cheering -- [overlapping dialogue] >> let me finish. santorum said that gays are destroying the fabric of america -- >> that's not what he said -- >> excuse me. the fabric of the american family and america's moved way beyond that which is why he has fallen flat. >> this is a problem that you have people like a santorum painted as an extremist -- >> he is a bigot. >> because of his beliefs itch the liberal's supposedly the party of intolerance.

he can't have a belief without being a bigot. >> he can't believe that gays are destroying the american family, that's bigotry. >> he is not anti-gay. >> that's what he believes. >> no, he is not anti-gay. he talks about the importance of the family, how central it is, want just to our culture, but also to the economy because when the family unit breaks down, it has a caskaeding effect to the economy, where people -- especially -- [overlapping dialogue] >> he's entitled to his beliefs. he is the tim tebow of the field. ron paul is like brett favre. mitt romney is the tom brady of the republican field and newt gingrich is the ben roethlisberger. why the hell anybody would want ben roethlisberger as the face of the party when can have tom brady or mitt romney. >> i am a tebow fan. when did he say anything bad

about gays. >> inherent in his christian beliefs, he believes that homosexuality is a sin. people infer that. >> big deal between that and a politician attacking gays. >> supporting the family does not mean -- >> it does when you say that gays -- [overlapping dialogue] >> he never said that. also, monica, santorum were the only one, when everyone of going after romney, he was the only one who said, no, i'm not going to take part in this. good for him. >> i am surprised he hasn't gained more traction. >> please stand by. we have more with the great american panel right after the break. ♪[music plays]

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>> we continue now with our great american panel. let's turn our attention to somebody in the first lady's box during the state of the union address. warren buffett's secretary. now, it's amazing that we finally have seen who this person is. my imagination was running wild. i was picturing a hairy guy named murray because nobody saw this woman. all right. now we see the woman. she is the face of class warfare because obama's talk about this buffett rule and millionaires and billionaires like warren buffett. warren buffett, i think is on everybody's last nerve, at least mine because of the hypocrisy,

saying that people in his income bracket should be paying more. nothing is stopping him from taking out his checkbook and writing a check for $10 million to the treasury. >> to use her as a prop last night, she is no more a secretary getting coffee and taking dictation than jacob lou will be the chief of staff. no more i. he might be. >> it's more sneaky, deceitful hipock rate. the -- hypocrisy. it's about job creation. it's about growth. it is about them portraying the conservatives as being unfair and favoring the rich. it is just, it's deceitful and dishonest. >> this is what he has done throughout his administration, pit groups against each other and do wealth redistribution through socialized medicine or through the tax code.

we have a woman in forbes, estimating that she is -- nobody begrudges cirimele heredia salary, making between $200- and $500,000 a year. >> i love the way they painted her as a victim and these shots of her nodding. she is living much better than i am. i am in a studio apartment in manhattan. and i am not talk class warfare. he will try to appeal to the middle class like he's a champion of the middle class, while most of those people are out of work because of him. that's his m.o. >> try to defend the class warfare. >> absolutely. the only class warfare is the privileged taking advantage of the middle class. that's exactly what you are talking about here. nobody's saying this lady is poor -- >> how -- how in god's name -- [overlapping dialogue] >> mitt romney with the cayman islands and his swiss bank accounts and pays a 15% rate,

the same rate that a lower middle-class family pays. >> this is apples and oranges. when you pay on salary, when you are paying on income as salary, you are paying a higher rate than as capital gains. >> in mitt romney's caiss, it is carried interest. it is the hedgefund loophole. you can get the long-term capital gains treatment for short-term investments with the loophole, that's half his income. in this case, it's nothing but legal tax cheating. >> tax cheating. it is perfectly legal. do you know anybody, steve, anybody, including yourself, who pays more to the federal government than their accountant tells them they owe? >> of course not! >> why do you think that is? >> you have ron, with every bit of his money committed to charity when he dies. >> why do you think that is? he has transferred his massive fortune to a private-sector charity, the scbil melinda gates foundation because he doesn't trust the government with his

money. why should any of us. >> he is more than willing to pay a higher tax rate i. do it. do it now. >> if you want to run on wealthy people paying lower taxes -- >> how about -- [overlapping dialogue] >> let's run on everyone paying lower taxes. limited[overlapping dialogue] >> everyone pays taxes, no class warfare. that's a message of unity, not division. >> if they are not serious about paying down the deficit, the big issue out there, you are rob from this kids of the future because it feels good now not to do anything about it. and they want to demonize the republican it's. >> bernhard, that's not the case. the republicans turned down a $4 trillion deal, getting 90% of what they want because they refused to raise taxes one damn peppi on the wealthy. >> those are people who invest in the economy, those are people -- >> at the end of this year, the taxes are going back to the 39%

marginal rate because you durn turned down a much better deal. >> give them 4 more years. >> we doll trillions more. >> miss from this conversation, when you talk about the so-called wealthier individuals, we are missing the key element, small businesses. we are not talking about bill gates or warren buffett. we're talking about small businesses of you know what? those small businesses generate 70% of allions and if their taxes are going up, you have a more serious jobs crisis on your hands, steve. >> i am opposed to raising taxes on small businesses. >> the debate is over. wolf blitzer is not bleeding, like his colleague was last week. >> something's wrong, right. e >> in everyone's whole. >> now we don't have another republican debate for a couple of weeks. we have caucuses coming up. but not another primary for a couple of weeks, very interesting. >> bernard, th