factor. that is not good thing. sounds like a country. again, thanks for watching us. i'm bill o'reilly. please remember the spin stops here. we are looking out for you. >> welcome to hannity. for the entire hour we are at wynn loss vague us and kau seen now. you will hear from the candidates. >> joined by somebody who has cake shaken up the race with a big endorsement. take a look. it's my honor, real honor, and

privilege, to endorse mitt romney. mitt is tough. he's smart, he's sharp. he's not going to allow bad things to continue to happen to this country that we all love. so governor romney, go out and get them. you can do it! >> joining me now to explain his decision is the one and only donald trump. welcome. >> great to be in your neck of the woods, which is vegas, new york. your presence is sort of everywhere. >> we set up in a lot of different places. >> it's funny, and maybe i shouldn't do this but i'm going to do to anyway, when i was with you a few weeks ago we had a long discussion privately off air about the candidates and you were adamant and passionate that mitt romney needed to show, needed to step up in these debates and show the person that he was showing you privately. >> that's right. >> and you were a little bit, you know, you would say why, why is he not showing that?

>> well, i've got tone know him very well the last couple of months and he's a different person privately. he's tough, he's sharp, he's great. he's just what we need. and somehow that didn't come across as well on a public basis. the debates did it. he stepped it up and it was great. to see him during the debates. and newt is a fantastic guy. he's a friend of mine, and he's really a good guy. but in fact i think i saw on your show he admitted he didn't do particularly well those two evenings. and mitt romney did fantastically well in the debates and he stepped up his game. he's really, you know, somebody said a good friend of mine who is very political said it was the best, quote, unquote, week of his life and i think it was. >> with all the momentum governor romney had coming out of new hampshire, two debates later he goes from a double-digit lead to a double-digit loss. newt gingrich is in the game. they are heading to florida.

gingrich has a double-digit lead. >> right. >> two debates later. so it was -- i got the impression when i watched those two debates that mitt romney understood that this -- his campaign was -- he was in jeopardy of losing unless he stepped up. >> i think you are right. he really stepped it up. to a point that i didn't even know. as good as you can do, he did everything. sharp, smart, tough. and it changed the whole momentum of the whole race. >> a lot of it, though, and a lot of people are complaining about there was a lot of negativity, a lot of back and forth. a lot of negative ads run, a lot of mine eurasia, but the reality is as much as people complained, that works. it worked in iowa, worked in south carolina, it worked in florida, right? >> well, actually i saw recently on one of your shows on fox, i won't say exactly which one because i don't know if you want me to, but that the most negative campaign ever run was obama against hillary and against john mccain.

the most negative campaign. the most negative commercials. and unfortunately, you know, it would be nice if we could say it didn't have an impact but it does have an impact. he was tough. i was in florida and i watched some of those commercials and they were tough and effective. but he was also taking hard punches. there were commercial on mitt tharpe tough also. >> it was about 6 to 1 favoring mitt. >> that's true. and there was more money and they were effective commercials. but the commercials were not nice. people talk about obama was such a nice guy. the worts of all-time, they say, were the commercials he did relative to hillary and also relative to -- >> bill clinton said they played the race card on me and he was talking about the obama campaign. and they planned it from the very beginning. >> i know bill clinton very well. he's a friend of mine, and i can tell you he was not a happy camper. and this is a man who is the least racist person that you will ever meet. and they played him and they played the race card, no

question about it, and he was an angry man. >> one thing you can take out of this, i thought you were gracious to newt gingrich in this. how close did you come? i know you looked at him seriously, you saw what he was capable of in south carolina, was it at times did you find yourself maybe i'm leaning toward newt, i know him, i met with him, he had these great debate performances, he's smart, and he fights. >> and i like him. i like him. i think he's a really effective guy. the one thing i do feel is that he might have become the focus of the campaign in terms of obama. and really obama has to be the focus of the campaign. obama is doing a terrible job as president. the world is laughing at us. the world is ripping us off, whether it's china or opec or india or any other nation, columbia, made $4 billion on us last year. colombians. they call it a trading partner. i don't need partners like that, you don't need partners like

that. columbia, the country, made $4 billion on us. everybody makes on us. we have nobody. so it really, i have a lot of respect for newt. i like newt. he's a member of my club in washington. i like him a lot, i like his wife. the problem is that i really feel that he would have had a very, very hard getting elected. and i also liked when mitt stepped it up and when mitt started talking about what's going on with the world and how the world is treating us and he specifically mentioned china. because i guarantee you, china, behind those closed doors of their leaders, they are laughing at our leaders and how stupid they are. >> we spoke at length at last night's program about that very issue and mitt romney talked a lot about it. obviously i think you pushing him on that issue probably had some impact. >> i even now see obama talking about china a little bit. but in the meantime he has big deals, the president of china comes up and they have a steak

dinner for himmism actually heard the other night during the state of the union speech obama saying some negative things about china. it's the first time. it says that sounds like my language. i was very proud of myself. here's the problem, he's not going to do anything about it. >> i think that was one of the least inspiring state of the union, and he rejecttated literally lines he used in last state of the union addresses. they are so out of ideas at this point. here is what i think has to happen. and you are a fighter. you want somebody that's going to get in there and fight hard. for all of the talk about the negativity amongst republicans, grandma over the cliff, all these things, republicans want dirty air and water, they don't care about kids with autism and down syndrome, the president has said all of this. >> right. >> so it this the beginning if mitt romney gets the nomination, are you convinced he's going to be strong enough, fight hard

enough to combat what is coming his way? >> actually just spoke to him, just endorsed him. had a great relationship with him, and i said you have to treat obama the same way as you are treating everybody else in the last couple weeks because they are not night people. these are bad people in many respects. but they are not nice people. and oh, he's a nice guy, he's a nice guy, and every analyst is saying -- because i was looking at the different commercials and they say the only commercials tharpe more negative were obama's commercials. so i hope the assumption that mitt gets the nomination, that when he goes against obama he remembers that he's got to be tough, and he's got to be nasty because they will be really nasty to him. they are going to go after him and they are going to be nasty. but the truth is he has better material on obama than obama has on him. obama has been terrible. he's a terrible president. he had no record when he ran. he did nothing. >> when we come back -- we have to take a break -- i want you to

explain what you would do if you were advising the nominee going up against obama and where the area of attack is that you would have. we will continue. more with donald trump coming up next. also presidential candidates newt gingrich, rick san, they weigh in on the policy. we are live from the strip. glad you are with us.

>> welcome back to "hannity."

we are in las vegas. still ared, the gop candidates. and we continue with the man who has now endorsed mitt romney for president, and that's donald trump. all right. i think, and we talk about the debates in florida, i think for the first time i saw mitt romney not apologize for his success and his wealth. you said that's a big mistake, turned it around. well, i said the previous stance was. i love the way he was acting the last few weeks. and he showed a toughness. beyond the wealth and everything else he showed a toughness in the debates that you didn't really see before. but i know him. he's a tough guy. he's sharp, canning, and that's what the country needs. >> let's say mitt romney gets the nomination. you are advising mitt romney.

and there are attacks, igniting the embers of class warfare, you get to advise romney. how do you defend against this? >> first of all i think things are going to happen that won't be good. for instance, an hour before i sat down with you i see where the cvo head came out and said unemployment is going up. >> it will go to the .2% by-election day. >> going up. >> by 2013. >> and they say in terms of the economy we will be down to 1% growth, which is almost unheard of. a lot of bad things are happening. obviously you are going to use that. i'm disappointed to hear it as an american, as a citizen of a country that i love. but obviously you you are goingo use that. but you can also talk about the solyndras, about all the bad things of that been taken place. >> the cronyism. the only millionaire, billionaires that apparently the obamas like or the bundlers that gave him money and that he rewarded, paid to play, with

solyndra money. sun power money. >> that was his friends. they were in the white house all the time and now i guess they are trying to say, i don't know, did they see him? it was such a disgrace. >> they met four times the week before they got the money. >> and if anybody was there with a little bit of knowledge you would have known that model doesn't work because they couldn't produce the solar panels cheap enough, not even close. >> you know this because you deal with china all the time. >> i deal with china, but i also watched a solar analyst say the deal never made sense. if they would have called up a routine solar analyst he would have said there's no way this company could work. >> i think it's the first time in the u.s. government they actually predicted with pinpoint accuracy the month and year that solyndra would go disrupt. they predicted september, 2011, and everybody said not to do this deal. >> you are talking about 500 -- it's hard to believe. you are talking about

$537 million. >> that's just one company. >> one company. >> and we are dealing with six or seven. >> there are numerous other companies that are ready. >> trillion in taxpayer dollars. >> and you look at that and you way the country is going. one thing with obama that surprises me, i always thought he was going to be a good cheerleader. this will be at worst he was going to be a good cheerleader. he's not a good cheerleader. he talks class warfare. the country is in turmoil, and lots of people within the country, including the democrats and the republicans, everybody hates each other. we have no unification. >> the president is dividing the country. >> we don't have a leader. we don't have a leader. a leader gets people together. he's not a leader. >> i think the most perspective thing you ever said and willing to step out on a limb about, when i last interviewed you you said america does not know this man. the person that is presenting himself as this nice guy, if they knew the real obama, what would america think? >> he's a much different person than people know.

and i have no doubt about there are so many things that people don't know about this man, where he comes from. and it's amazing. >> philosophically. >> nobody knows anything about him, where he comes from, his education, how did he get into columbia if he had bad marks, how did he get into harvard if he had bad marks? i have friends that are trying to get their kids into harvard and they have straight a's and they have the highest boards and they can't get into harvard. so if he had bad marks how does he get into harvard? there are so many things that people just don't know. go to columbia and people don't know who he is. do you know the people that went to school with you? you can go back to kindergarten. >> absolutely. >> you remember some of them. >> some of them. not everybody. i got my best friend from third grade here with me. >> we have a very strange situation going on. they tried to hammer him and his comments he made, i'm not concerned about the poor, but that's the headline, because they have a safety net. i'll bet you ten thousand

dollars -- >> but they don't follow it with the second part of the sentence, the press. >> no. >> he could have said it differently. but they don't follow. they leave the poor, but they don't follow the safety net and that he will fix the safety net if he has to. and really what he said is absolutely fine. could have been said differently, but i watched some of the news. they don't even talk about the safety net, they just leave it off. same thing. he talked about firing last week or a couple weeks ago. what they don't say is that etches talking about firing insurance companies. >> that don't do a good job. >> yeah, that don't do a good job. and if they would have left it. they said i like firing but they cut it off. they don't leave the second half of the sentence. look, the press is very unfair and very dishonest cases. by the way, some great people but you have some very dishonest people. >> how often if in your life have you said i bet you ten thousand dollars as a phrase? >> well, he -- >> he made that $10,000. >> he took heat on that but i don't view it as a big deal.

>> if this is what we are worried about we are in. >> but they don't stop at the safety net. they stop short of that. it's disgraceful. >> we will be back. we have much more with the one and only donald trump right after the break. and the presidential candidates will join me here. we are at the wynn resort and casino on the vegas strip. we are glad you are with us. new stride whitemint is a hit but it lasts too long. how do we get people to chew another piece? i got this one. oh hey. [ male announcer ] spit it out. or ti will find you. [ grunts ] like him. thanks ryan. [ male announcer ] new stride whitemint. the ridiculously long lasting gum.

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>> welcome back to hannity. we are in las vegas, nevada. the gop field is just ahead. we continue now with donald trump all right, just to clarify because i didn't get into this earlier, you mentioned this yesterday, your endorsement of mitt, is if mitt gets the nomination you will not run. >> that's true. >> and you will campaign for him, do -- >> boy, would you have a story if i endorse somebody and then say, oh, i'm going to run. that would be a mainly story, right? >> that would be a pretty major story. >> no, i'm very, very happy with mitt romney. i endorsed him and i think he is going to be a great -- i think he will be a great candidate. >> you think he gets it? >> i mean, look, who knows. nothing is easy. you see the way it goes up, the see the way is goes down. >> very unpredictable. >> newt is a talented guy. we will so what happens. but i think so. he got a good endorsement from

trump and i hope that helps. but he's a very smart guy, he's very tough and he's going to do a great job. and most importantly i think he will beat obama and i think he will be a great president. >> do you think he will be bold enough? look at the numbers we have. under obama in four years it will be over $5 trillion of new debt. under obama, unemployment, as you pointed out, the cvo report this week, unemployed will be at 9%. look the -- they are looking at another drown grade for the u.s. and we have $27 million, and $47 million on food stamps. the worst housing year on record since we started keeping records. you know. that's not easy to turn around. >> it's very tough and obama certainly isn't going to do it. we need help. we need people. we need jobs. i heard a statistic the other day, 1 billion cell phones and not one made in the united states. i'm a big apple fan, i love apple. >> i love apple.

>> steve jobs and the whole group, but they don't make themselves here. when i consider them to be really great and when they build factories here. they have $97 billion in cash. build your factories here. government give them incentive and build some factories here so they can make their products here. that's what i would love. can you imagine how great apple would be if they actually made this stuff in this country? >> you told me you are willing to pay a premium to buy -- >> i am. >> -- for your buildings. >> and i do. not always and sometimes the premium is too much because of the fact that china manipulates their currency. so sometimes you can't do it. >> you got your plane refurbished in atlanta and tennessee, i believe? >> atlanta and tennessee. >> you paid a premium. >> i did. >> you could have gotten it done elsewhere. >> very much less money. and they wouldn't have done as good a job. >> you pie windows, sometimes other building products from countries, and you say you hate to do it. >> i hate to do it. >> but you pay half?

>> i pay less. i pay substantially less and. and the reason is -- we make better products here, the product is better, but you pay less because they manipulate their currency so that american companies can't compete. and it's terrible. >> it's pretty manipulative. if you are you are going to comd by the time the next president into into office, we're are about $20 trillion debt. >> wow. >> social security is bankrupt, medicare is headed for in solvency. taxes, according to that cvo reporter going to go up 30%. take away incentive for people like yourself. >> takes away a lot of in stensontive. i have no many friends, big entrepreneurs, friends and enemies, because i have plenty of enemies also, but they are going to china, india, brazil, all over the place, everybody but here because they don't have incentive and now they are talking about raising taxes. >> as monumental as that problem is, how do you get a hold of

this? i recently flew over graham with reverend graham, and i looked at the devastation and poverty and i said i wouldn't be able to begin. >> first of all, reverend graham is a good guy. >> he is. >> but first you have to get the jobs back. you have to take jobs away from all the other countries that are eating our hundred and you have to build a much bigger economy. all of a sudden social security and all of these things don't look so bad because the kind of numbers you are talking about are monument tal. we are rebuilding china, we are rebuilding other countries. the opec nations are taking our money like we are babies. we have to rebuild this country and we have to bring back our jobs. and all of a sudden, you know, we look weak because we are losing our jobs. >> last question, politically, the people that are dependent on government checks, are they willing to change their mind-set that the government is not going to provide or take care of every aspect of their life? are they going to accept that they have to be a part of the system, and they have got to take responsibility?

>> something is going to have to be done. but what you really have to do is build up the economy. and then that kind of thing will take care of itself. we need a real leader. we don't have a leader right now. >> and donald trump, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. >> and coming up next, now that donald trump has now endorsed mitt romney for president, mitt romney will join me next. he will be followed by his top rivals, including newt gingrich and rick san as "hannity" live on the vegas strip continues. we are glad you are with us. this is an rc robotic claw. my high school science teacher made me what i am today. r science teacher helped us build it. ♪ now i'm a geologist at chevron, and i get to help science teachers. it has four servo motors and a wireless microcontroller. over the last three y we've put nearly 100 million dollars into american education. that's thousands of kids learning to love ience. ♪ isn't that cool? and that's pretty cool.

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>> tonight "hannity" is coming to you live from the wynn hotel and casino in las vegas. we continue with presidential candidate, former governor of massachusetts, mitt romney. governor, thanks for being back

with us. all right, we have to talk foreign policy. i know everyone has been so focused on the economy and we should put our main focus there because so many people are suffering. but while this is happening the iranians are plotting assassinations on american soil, they are threatening to shut off the oil supply to the world in the straights of hormuz, they are saber rattling and aligning with cuba and also exploring nuclear weapons. obama once said iran is a tiny country, they aren't a big threat. turns out they are a big threat. >> the president has communicated weakness, his policy tends to be appeasement and accommodation. he was going to meet with ahmadinejad in his first year in office and even ahmadinejad didn't want to do that. we have to throw strength. i would have an air force task

force in the mediterranean. >> they threatened to blow it out of the water. in the strait of hormuz. >> we don't want to go war with everyone but we want to be so strong and a military so capable and a president committed to military strength that no one would ever test our resolve. >> i agree. there's something to add to this. they have been funding killing troops in iraq and afghanistan and now we have the rise of islamism in the middle east. the president told us, we look at north africa and the middle east, the rising islamic extremism, if they align with iran, iran, and iran gets a nuclear weapon, who does that mean for the world? >> unacceptable. obviously iran with a nuclear weapon, given the fact they sport movements. terror across the globe,

including people in this country and latin america, as well, it's unacceptable for this material to fall in the hands of iranians. we recognize at some point that could be used against us or our friends in the world. we must make it very clear through every means 'unable we will not allow iran to have a nuclear weapon. >> how do we stop them? short of military action i don't think anything will work. i think the only thing they understand is military action. >> you may be right. you may be right. you want to take every action, however. we haven't do that. we don't have crippling sanctions in place. we haven't treated them like the paria they are around the world and you have to put together military options and make it clear to the iranians we will take military actions if the other actions aren't sufficient to keep them from becoming a military nation. iran is the single largest and

in respects the major supporter of terror in the world. them having a nuclear weapon and material to give to terrorists is something we can't have. >> it means military action has to be taken. >>. you have to let them know we are treaddy to take any action ms. to prevent the unthinkable. >> the president predicted the arab spring was a democracy movement. that's what he told the people. now the violations have taken place. the and they said they are preparing for war with israel a real concern. mine. now the administration is talking about speeding up funding and aid to the muslim brotherhood and the islam efforts in power in egypt. do they deserve to get a dime? >> well, there's almost not a reason in the world where the president has been successful. you look around the world and we have retreated and retreated. and the arab spring which not potential of being one of the

most benifices times in modern times or the worst is coming one of the worst. that falls on the back of this president who has failed to in any significant way guide the movement of egypt, which by the way is a big player in this regard. 80 million population. the center of the arab world. we should have been all over egypt working with our closest soggies in the military to help move them towards the process of true democracy and freedom as opposed to overseeing now what appears to be a movement toward islamism. >> would we be better off keeping mubarak? he kept the piece for 30 years. >> that was not a choice. it was essential for americans to play whatever role we could with our friends throughout europe and allies around the world to move egypt toward a movement of freedom but that hasn't happened under this president. and look around the world. our relationship with pakistan has detirated, the decision with regard to afghanistan the last

day or two put our mission there in jeopardy, and his failure to iraq. the list goes on and on. it's amazing. >> five taliban leaders currently residing in gitmo are schedule to be released from the obama administration as additional steps to design further peace talks with the afghan taliban. >> unthinkable. unimaginable. absolutely extraordinary. one more point of evidence that this president is far over his head. naive, incapable of dealing with the affairs of the world. the idea that we would release to the taliban, as they are killing american soldiers and our friends in the afghan security forces, they are killing them. they are at war. they are our enemy. but as a sign of good faith we will release terrorists to them? it's simply unimaginable. it's the foreign policy of pretty please. i am going to be really nice to you won't you pretty please be nice to me? that's not how the world's worst actors behave. people respond to strength resolve.

our great president ms. the past has shown that. this president has n. we must take a new direction in foreign policy, a policy that says america will be strong, we will stand with our friends, there will not be an inch of distance between us and our allies. we will have a military second to none in the world, and we will do our very best to guide the affairs of the world toward freedom, toward human rights. this is the heart of what america's foreign policy has been since harry truman and for the first time in 50, 60 years we are seeing a president try a different course and it is not working. we have to fundamentally change washington's direction in foreign policy. >> thanks for being with us. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> and coming up, two men who are also fighting for the presidential nomination, when we come back we will be joined by former speaker of the house newt gingrich and former pennsylvania senator rick san as we continue the special hannity forum from

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speaker. >> welcome to the wynn hotel and casino and resort where i'm sitting down with the presidential candidates, including any guest at the time, former speaker of the house newt gingrich. for yen policy, there's been a lot of focus on the economy. it's interesting, i don't think george bush anticipated 9/11 and that that would between his presidency. somebody becomes president, you never know what's going to define one's presidency. >> that's right. >> we have an issue with iran and this just broke in the last 24 hours. lee on paw net two's biggest worry is that israel may strike iran sometime in april, may or june. >> it tells us what is wrong with this administration. instead of worrying about the iranians getting a nuclear weapon, they are worried about our ally. it strikes me we ought to oughtg our ally and make sure iran doesn't get a nuclear weapon.

it's moving in a fantasy land. the great threat in the middle east is not israel, it's iran. and the great threat is the taliban. yet you have an administration that is apparently going to release a number of taliban terrorists. >> five. >> five, as a faith-building measure. these guys must be breaking up laughing >> operational steps designed to further peace talks with the taliban. >> if i was a young american serving in afghanistan and i thought i had a commander in chief who was currying favor with people who are trying to kill me, i would find that very, very upsetting. >> does it surprise you? they are now speeding up the process to give aid to the muslim brotherhood who has now taken over gee script. >> you have a pro islamic faction who on every front is

trying to apiece people. the us luck i am brotherhood is a group, the idea we are going to reach out and make friends with the muslim brotherhood. >> no, we are going to give them american tax dollars and peed up the aid process. >> i think we would be moving in the opposite direction. >> i think so, too. >> particularly at a time when they are saying they are going to hold young americans hostage. >> you have the young islam efforts rising. the administration said the arab spring is about democracy and they toppled a dictator, mubarak. for all his faults, he kept piece with israel for 30 years. one only need take time to read public opinion in egypt prior to the arab spring and you saw the majority of the egyptian people supported some type of theocracy and that sharia law should be

the law of the land. the president thought this was a great achievement. >> i think the threats to us are so big that they don't want to think about it. because it will change their whole life. and so they want to find some way to apiece those who threaten us in the hopes -- now this is churchill in the 30s warning if you feed the crocodile, eventually the crocodile eats you, and i think we have an administration that keeps trying to find an excuse to feed the crocodile. >> if we are looking at a nuclear iran, the rise of the islamic states in the middle east and north africa, and in many ways the administration has done nothing to stop it, and on top of it you have the iranians in particular showing hostile actions, they are funding terrorists and blocking strait of hormuz, all these things they are doing, seems to me the

administration is pretty timid. what is the end result here? >> it's beyond timid. they were practicing to prove they could do it, which is very provocative. the administration as response was to cancel a military practice to not provoke them. this is like showing constant fear and backing off which makes the bully bolder and more dangerous. >> why are you so convinced that if you follow barack obama, if you go the nomination, all over the country, four hours you said, they will set your schedule. and he speaks in one city in one state, you will thereby four hours later until he agrees to a lincoln style douglas debates with no moderator, just a time clock. why are you confident that the president would ever do that? >> because i think it's speeches are no vulnerable. if you literally, given modern television news, modern talk radio and modern internet, it would be so embarrassing for him. and you will be able to

systematically demolish which is arguments in a way that would be -- i mean, he might not -- you know, he might say fine, i'll let gingrich chase me for the whole campaign. but if he did that, he would both look like he was afraid, and i would be pretty happy just demolishing his speeches. this is a guy, in ideology and performance is wrong. >> donald trump client said to me that america does not know the real probable cause balm, and if they knew who he really was, what he really believed, they will be shocked. do you agree with that? >> well, i think he is get to go know him pretty well. he's against american jobs, he's against american energy, he's putting people on food stamps, he's for apiecing our enemies, he's for cutting the defense system, he's for throwing money at every employee union you can find. if you are in the union he's your friend if you are a taxpayer he wants your money to give away to his political allies. this is a radical left, machine politician from chicago trying

to figure out a way to build an american machine modeled on the chicago machine for the purpose of getting it a solalinski kind of radicalism. >> good to speak you. >> thank you, >> coming up, former pennsylvania sen. rick santorum. we will continue from the strip on las vegas. glad you are with us.

>> welcome back to las vegas and the beautiful wynn resort and casino. joining me now is the man who won the iowa caucus. he's hoping to come away with a win saturday at the caucus. former pennsylvania sen. rick santorum. we all focus on the economy but foreign policy may end up defining the next presidency. >> the most important job the president has. that's where you have your power is commander in chief. i wouldn't doubt, you say most consequential for the next president. i think maybe the most consequential for this election. you heard lee on paw net two and others talk about iran potentially having a nuclear weapon within a year. you saw the general the other day talking about how iran is actively planning in advance of having a nuclear weapon,

actively planning attacks in the united states. imagine a nuclear iran and what they will do to disrupt this country and our allies around the world. >> and couple that with the rise the radical islam in the middle east east and north africa. you see the surrounding now of israel. the question is, and i know it's not -- there's no simple answer, how do you stop iran from becoming nuclear? how do you stop it. >> you have a two-pronged approach. number one, you try to destabilize the government. you work with pro democracy movements, you work to weaken their economy, you weaken their hold on power. and you do the best you can. >> and they will clamp down. >> they are -- they have clamped down in the past and we have done nothing about it. we sort of sat on the sidelines. but there is -- there's a huge reservoir of pro american sentiment in iran. there's a huge reservoir. these are educated folks. this is, you know -- this is not

a back woods, you know, tribal type of society. this is not afghanistan. these are folks who are very well educated and, in fact, can organize and do something i believe dramatic in turning that government around if they had sufficient support from the united states and the international community. so that's one. number two, at some point we have to draw the line in the sand and tell the iranians that they either open up these facilities, begin to dismantle the facilities or we will do it for them. that's not an easy thing to do. it's not something i believe the israelis are capable of. >> multiple locks. >> 40 or 50 locks. >> and you need the airspace to refuel. >> they will need carrier support. and for us to sit back and say, maybe we will just give a wink of the eye and let the israelis do it, they won't be able to do it. and it will not be one strike. they will have to take out their defenses. this is a very complex mission.

>> they buried these facilities, they are hardened sites. >> and we will need bunker busting bombs times whatever to hit those sites, and we may not even be able to penetrate them. i don't know how sophisticated those air defenses are to protect those sites. >> and maybe i'm a realist, maybe a fatalist, i'm not sure but when you see them trying to disrupt oil in the straits of hormuz and trying to assassinate stick aniaries on american soil and saber rattling and funding hesbala and supporting terrorism around the world, it's a matter of when you take them out and whether we act too late. >> and you never mentioned the ieds. and iran has been at war with us for 30 years. they have been killing our troops and killing american civilians. and we have, through multiple administrations, have sort of turned our back and ignored this as they continue. this is -- if you remember back at 9/11, everyone said why

didn't we connect the dots? look what they were doing, poking us and attacking us and we didn't respond. here's iran doing the same thing on a beggar scale, i might add and more capability than al-qaeda will ever have and what are we doing? we are doing nothing. the president came kicking and screaming to impose sanctions on the iranian oil supplies but he's not been bold and aggressive none area. >> the last question, the president, we saw what happened in egypt. he told us a democracy would emerge and the muslim brotherhood and islamic radicallists are in charge and they will give money to the brotherhood and they will expedite the process on top of the recent news that you have five taliban leaders currently heliat gitmo that are now scheduled to be released as part of, quote, what they call in the administration as operational steps to further peace talks with the afghan any taliban. is that appeasement? >> i would say it's appeasement. i would say that the president

set the tone in his speech in cairo, his first international speech where he said we don't have a problem with the islamic world. and i don't have a problem with the islamic world either but he was speaking more broadly. i don't have a problem with the folks who are the radicals out there, we can live together, we can work together,we can negotiate together. no, we can't. these are people who do not believe that the united states should exist, do not believe western civilization should exist, and they will use every attempt to destroy us. and we have a president who is complicity with their growth and power and influence in the muslim world. >> they want a worldwide. >> they want the united states to be back isolated and create a vacuum for them to be able to spread their radical theocracy throughout not just the region but the world. and the presence of the united states is complicity in letting them do that. >> senator, great to