please remember the spin stops here in southern california because we are definitely looking out for you. >> the stakes are high as the be candidates now head to mitt romney's home state of michigan. >> michigan isn't working, america isn't working and washington isn't working. >> is this a must rough of-win for team romney? tonight former alaskan governor breaks it all down. and newt gingrich attacks the anointed one. tonight he tells us why defeating this president is a a duty of national security. >> and he raises a laughable

$59,000 in january. democratic donors seemed to have answered the question, can you afford four more with a resounding no. and hannity starts right here and right now. >> we are close to two contests, one in michigan, the home state of mitt romney, and some say that michigan is not a must-win primary. now according to the latest survey from public policy polling, romney is now trailing former pennsylvania senator rick santorum by four points in the great lakes state. and earlier today in a fox exclusive we learned that the super pac that is supporting senator santorum has now dumped an additional $600,000 into michigan. now that massive allocation of funds will allow the group to run tv ads through next tuesday's primary. so what are the implications if gov. romney does in fact does not win home state? could a brokered convention be

in the republican party's future. welcome former alaskan governor sarah palin. welcome back. >> thank you so much, shop. >> topsy, tower have you, volatile, unpredictable. standing back, i know you have been in new york and indiana, if you were to give the state of the race now, what would you say it is? >> it is quite volatile. lots of fluidity, and that is the nature you are of competition which makes all of these candidates so much better. so i think that we should be pleased with the process, and i think the process should continue. it will be quite interesting, though, to see what happens there in michigan in romney's home state. he has deep roots there with his father having been governor of the state for so many years and he's claiming it as his home state. and his wife being from michigan also, perhaps a win or or a loss there will be perceived indicative of his elect ability

in general. >> when you were interviewed on fox news sunday, you raised the question about his conservatism. when i had gov. romney on the program last week, and he's going to be back on the program tomorrow night, i asked him about what you said. he went on to explain his record as governor, the areas where he is conservative and how he would govern if he were president of the united states. i don't know if you saw the interview, but certainly you have been hearing about it on the stump. do you think he is now answering that question? >> he is certainly attempt to go answer the question about his credentials as a conservative, as all the candidates must do, sean. because this general election will be absolutely paramount to the future of america, whether we are able to defend our republic, safe our republic or not because of president obama's failed policy that is we can't afford four more years of. yes, as romney explains more about his past positions, having parted some form of cap and

trade, which is, you know, the antithesis of what we need of energy policy in our country, and his positions on some social issues having evolved over time he, through you, through others in the media has had opportunity now to start explaining that. however, some people still are not convinced. look at his numbers, say, there in michigan where folks are, i believe, according to the numbers as being an indicator, they are connecting more to santorum. and that's why his numbers are good in michigan. the church-going catholics, a lot of good union brothers and sisters who just want to make sure our economy is going back on the right track, and connection to the blue-collar background of santorum is boding well for him as opposed to some of what romney has been saying. >> let me ask you more specifically how you feel about it. because you had doubts about his conservatism. and he went through a litany,

and his answer was, hang on a second, i balanced the budget every year i was governor, he didn't raise taxes, i had 800 vetoes. he talked about all the things he did there, and he never, for example, even though he said he was pro choice when he was running, when it was put on his desk, he said he went pro life. then he says i'll repeal obamacare, i'll balance the budget, i'm going to cut spending, things that conservatives want. now that he's been explaining it, in large part i think you jump started part of this conversation, do you have more confidence in his conservatism? >> his answers as to his conservative credentials should lead us all to believe that he, along with any other candidate on that gop ticket, will be immanently better than barack obama and the leftist failed socialist policies that he has crammed down our throat. so yes, thank flicks romney has had more opportunity to explain. i'm anxious to hear in the next

debate how all four candidates will further explain their ideas on how to get the economy back on the right track and how it is we build up the foundations of free markets. >> one of the things that you have been advocating from early on is what you call the process and the reason that you are supporting newt gingrich heading into south carolina is you wanted more vetting, you wanted the process to go on, you think the debate within the party is healthy. that is now happening. got another debate coming up. so my question to you is if you were going to vote in michigan, i know i have asked you this before about other states, would would you vote for in michigan? >> i don't know at this point who i would vote for there in michigan. i do want the process to continue. we know that we had a poor process last go around and it's the fault of the media, the leftist lame street media that

did not vet barack obama, who became our president, and now we are suffering the negative ramifications of what barack obama stands for and stood for as a candidate as he promise today fundamentally transform us and that's exactly what he's doing to the detriment of the future of our country. i want the process to continue. competition makes everybody better. it is still sharpening still with these gentlemen who are putting themselves forward in the name of service to our country. it needs to continue. >> does there come a point, because i agree, coming out of new hampshire i think newt gingrich's appearance and performance in the two debates prior to south carolina helped make romney a better debater come florida. and subsequently the results in south carolina leading into florida. does there come a point, you think, that the process begins to hurt the eventual nominee? in other words, at some point the people need to settle, rally. do you think a brokered convention is good for the party? >> i do not believe that that

process should be stopped yet, no. that old staying about a boiled egg is har -- is hard to beat. these can dates are being boiled in this boiling pot of water with the ads and the super pacs and the media beating them up. look what santorum is going through with things that he has said and said in the past that the lame stream media, taking things out of context and trying to subscribe to him that traditional, normal type negative narrative that they want to pin on any conservative. i've gone through that also. look at what santorum is going through and how that is making him tougher, more articulate, more focused on his true convictions and not being afraid to stand strong on his principles, not back away from what he believes in. i respect that. >> we will take a break. we have more with governor palin and presidential candidate newt gingrich and ramping up his

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>> as we continue on hannity, and joining me is form area yankeeian governor sarah palin. we were talking about the possibility of a brokered republican convention. you kind of left it open if the

republican party came to you you might be open to it. the establishment will never come to me, i know that for a fact. however a brokered convention, i wouldn't be afraid of that. electorate shouldn't be afraid of that. that's the continuation of a process and in the end perhaps it would be good for the party. if newt gingrich wins some of the key southern states and santorum can win some of the midwest states and romney wins some of the purple states, more moderate area, i can see it lead to go a brokered convention without anybody having the majority support within the party and perhaps that would be the outcome. >> let's go through you, and for few of the primaries you said if you were voting you would vote for newt gingrich. he's fallen off somewhat in the polls but i would agree probably states like oklahoma, alabama, tennessee and some of the other states might be states he could

certainly rebound. if you were to offer advise to the former speaker tonight in terms of how to rebound, what message he should bring into the debate and into the narrative, what would you tell him? >> i think the last couple days he has done well. in his speeches he talks about the danger of barack obama's presidency, certainly the continuation of his failed policies. what i would recommend for all of the candidates, start talking about the inherent link between energy and prosperity and energy and security. talk start talking about paying four bucks a gallon for gas and how we can -- we can apply obama's failed energy policies and his anti-american domestic drilling policies with the price of gas that's increasing and it will affect every aspect of our lives. start concentrating more focused on how the uncertainty caused by obama's policy from energy to poking our enemies in the eye,

foreign and national security issues, all of those things that obama has done to us that's created uncertainty in the marketplace and in the international arena, how those things need to be addressed and what the ideas are that all these candidates have to get us back on the right track. if the candidates, especially coming up in the debate, will stay focused on the main thing, and that's contrasting their ideas, their solutions, to barack obama's failed ideas and solutions, then its going to be a great debate, a great continued competitive process that will lead to victory in 2012. >> let me go to senator santorum. he has his moment in the controversial sun, if you will, because now that he's gone up and been surging in the polls as much as he has, a couple issues have come up. some have suggested, although i think taken out of context, the remarks will theology and questioning the president's christianity, that's not what he was talking about. we had him on last night explaining that.

and the speech he gave to a college in florida where he talked about satan had his sights on the united states of america. and it seemed like there are some that are trying to create a caricature, a picture of him as being on the fringe. i believe there's good and evil and i believe in the lord's prayer, and you look at the killing fields, 9/11, i would argue that's evil in our lifetime, is it not, or evil in our time in the century as well. >> but that is foreign to so much of the leftist immediate way yeah. they will attack anyone who pro claims their faith and talk about the world and there is evil in the world and that's what rick santorum was talking about. and this is the speech he gave back in 2008 where he named evil as satan. and for threes lame street media characters to get all wee-weed

up about that, have they every attended a sunday school class before or herbed the terminology before and that's why they got whacked out about the speech. sean, i gave a speech back in 2008 where i asked college and high school students if they would pray for our troops and pray for our efforts over seas in war zones and they ran that tape over and over again in the vice presidential race trying to make me sound like a wacko talking about good and evil in our world. >> it is interesting when the last century alone over 100 million human souls killed in the name of evil. it's a pretty compelling case. how would you -- i have two last questions and i will tie it into one. how would you advise senator santorum to deal with that now that it's sort of his moment to take the heat? and the last question to finish on gov. romney, how could he close the circle with conservatives like yourself, if he can, and say something, do

things that would convince you or take away the doubt you might have that you expressed? >> well, first with rick santorum, we would be disappointed in him if he backed off and all of a sudden changed his stripes and decide he had didn't want to talk about good and evil in the world and america's judeo christian foundation. he needs to be surrogate. helping the guy out at this point. people who have that judeo christian belief and right priorities in our country, we need to speak up about someone like rick santorum who has been bold about his faith and not back down. we call the mainstream media out about their hypocrisy because it's okay for barack obama recently to invoke the book of luke in the new testament and think that the theology that he would adopt by reading the bach of luke results in him being able to say we need to increase tax on hardworking americans?

that's okay but rick santorum talking about good and evil isn't okay? the mainstream media, they make me sick. they are hip democrats, and we need to call them out on that. as for kind of disencapsulating the conservative message, all four candidates, not just romney, we need to contrast what our ideas are against barack obama. please start with energy, talk about the uncertainty that is caused by this anti-american, an try domestic drilling policy of barack obama. and when he tries to take credit for george bush's measures that he took in order to ramp up domestic drilling, we need to call them out on that, too. >> all right, governor. i had a funny feeling that you are going to be a pretty big voice in the whole process. but as always, we appreciate you being with us. governor palin, thanks for being with us tonight. >> thank you so much. >> and coming up, newt beginning said defeating barack obama is, quote, a duty of national security. he will join us coming up next from the campaign trail, and then after abysmal fundraising

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approaching, newt gingrich has been ramping up his attacks not on his rivals, but on president barack obama. >> barack obama is the most dangerous president in modern american history. this administration has intellectually disarmed, it has morally disarmed, it's incapable of describing what threatens us. president wants to often lately disable the united states. he refuses to take iran seriously. we are in a world that is very dangerous, and i say that to those of you who represent the next generation because you are going to bear the consequences. we are really at risk some day in your lifetime of losing an american city. >> speaker gingrich has also attacked the president's energy policy calling it, quote, anti-american," a message that is going to connect with voters suffering from sky high gas

prices. joining me now from the campaign trail is mr. speaker newt gingrich. good to have you back. >> good to be here. i thought governor palin was right at the end when we ought to take on the obama national security and energy policy. and why we think it's essential both for our economy and for our security to get back to an american energy program that is designed to maximize our own production, the opposite of obama. >> especially what you see happening now with israel and iran, and i'm going to get to that in a second. pretty me go to what we first played of you about saying the president is the most dangerous president in modern american history. it got a lot of press. explain. >> well, this is a president who refuses to recognize who is trying to kill us. the fbi spends a year setting up somebody who is a moroccan

would-be terrorist who wants to bomb the capitol, but under the obama administration rules you can't explain what motivates him, you can't explain why he is inspired to do it, you can't use radical islamists or the network he belongs to and there's a desperate effort on the part of owe a obama to avoid reality. you have the muslim brotherhood in egypt threatening to end the peace treaty with israel, and you have the pakistani's protected been lauden for years, and they didn't arrest the people who were protecting them, they arrested the man who helped us find him. again and again you fine the obama administration fails to meet the challenges. they are doing nothing effective about iran. and if anything, they are undermining and cutting the aid to israel to develop the anti-ballistic missile system that would protect israel from iranian and other rockets. look at his defense budget which is going to weaken american

defenses everywhere. it is going to lead to very substantial cuts in our capable and i think it's something we out to all be worried about. >> i think we should be. and why the president would be discouraging israel to do what is in their best national security interests, i don't know because i think at some point this is now inevitable. they have made their intentions clear. they have been aggressive. they have literally been saber rattling and planning assassinations on american soil of foreign dignitaries. let me ask you about the state of the's. you said if any one of you candidates who are now vying for the nomination that you lose your own state that's correct might be the end. and obvious lit person that's going to be tested first here is governor romney, the state of michigan. rick santorum had a big lead. the gap has now narrowed. you have been declared dead on numerous occasions. how do you rise from the ashes once more? >> well, i think in my case i

rise by focusing on an american energy policy, getting back to $2.50 a gallon gasoline, outlining both the economic and national security implications, indicating that instead of bowing to a saudi king we ought to be drilling, and our goal should be to be independent so we don't care with a the iranians do in the strait of hormuz. i think the country is hungry for real solutions. i also think we all have real challenges. gov. romney put $40 million of his money money in the race, has ran for six years and has outspend us 6 to 1. and his super pac has outspent us by bigger margins. he needs to carry michigan, i need to carry georgia and santorum needs to carry pennsylvania. that's just basic. it is no profound insight. you have to have proof you are electable, and in gov. romney's

case he doesn't have social conservative like rick santorum, he doesn't have big conservative reform like i do, it's basically that he thought he was going to win. he needs to win if he's going to win. >> he still has the most delegates at this particular point. there are a lot of contests. after michigan arizona and then, boom, super tuesday. a lot of states are on the table a lot at stake coming up here in a very short period of time. you said that the negative ads have lowered the voter turnout and that's something a lot of pundits have looked at. let me ask you this, whenever somebody gets to the top and they come under fire, and now eats rick santorum's turn, once that scrutiny comes their numbers go way down. that's why it seems like we've had this back and forth, top sy.

turvy race. >> in our case a lot of the negativity comes directly from the romney campaign. i had $20 million of negative ads in florida, $5 million in iowa. santorum is now getting that treatment in michigan. romney campaign wants to shrink everybody else as opposed to growing romney. i believe positive campaigning work n south carolina we had a huge increase in voter turnout. >> but doesn't negative campaigning work? doesn't negative campaigning work. >> the only place romney is winning the turnout went down. i think, for example, the $2.50-gallon gasoline, an american energy policy, drill here, drill now, pay less, i think that will bring people out to vote. it's not going to discourage them. and i helped design the 1994 campaign where a positive contract with america led to the largest one-party increase in the american history. 9 million additional votes came

out over 1990. that's the coined of campaign i like, you offer positive solutions, people get enthusiastic and they are excite today turn out and vote. >> this is the last debate before super tuesday. obviously i assume you want more debates. are you concerned it may be the last debate. >> we are going to find ways to communicate with the american people. i like debates. it gives us a chance to community without the news media and happens to be particularly good for me. if the other guys are afraid to debate, which makes you wonder how they would ever stan up to barack obama, that's fine. i will find ways to communicate to the american people with or without their debating. >> thank you, mr. speaker. we will be looking forward to the debate coming up. thanks for being with us. it will happen quickly now and as an accelerated pace, if you will. thanks for being here. >> good talking to. >> and coming up we ask if you

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>> president obama broke another campaign promise by the fact he would break super pacs. he obviously can't be taken at his word. he has bigger problems to worry about. why? because the main super pac that is supporting his re-election bid apparently cannot raise any cash. according to a report filed with the fcc, priorities usa action raised a little less than $59,000 in january. what is more embarrassing for team obama, almost 85% of that money came from a single donation. the donor who gave $50,000 is john w rogers, and he is the ceo of chicago's aerial capital and reportedly has ties not only to

tony russo, but also disgraced former governor rod blagojevich. i can't wait to hear how they spin that one. joining me now, the co-host of the five, sheñi keeps it all together, the voice of reason, sanity, comedy, you are the calm. you are the adult in the room. >> whenever i'm going to steal myself before i get angry, i do a one nostril sniff she said. and i realize that's right. >> and bob just snorts and throws his hands up and goes are you going to come to me? >> we love it, though. >> forget the super pac issue because i think he will have money. i think he will have a billion dollars. >> it is kind of funny they could only raise $59,000 in january. that's pretty good.

>> and if the election were held today, the poll asked who would you most likely vote for. >> obama 49, rick santorum, 48. tied has turned? >> i think the tied has turn. last couple months president obama has been looking better in the policy but the tied has now turned. now the president has to deal with debt. that's been on the headlines recently, and more importantly, the price of gas and what's that going to do to the economism think the public is reacting to free birth control for everybody? where did that come from? and he's interfering with religious freedom. that's beginning to chip away at his popularity. the tied has turn. regardless what happened to his money raising capability. look at the policy. they are beginning a down swing at this point. >> 44% approval. now the only modern president that i see in gallop that had

below 50 is someone you worked for, george w. bush and he was four points higher at 48%. >> it's not where the obama administration would like to be in this election and they have been running for a little over a year. once the republican race narrows down even further in the next few months, then finally there will be a direct head-to-head. and whoever the republican candidate is going to be will have to draw a sharp contrast. this is the kind of america you can expect under under another r years of president but it's not just four years, his policies will last a generation or more. you can go with him or me but the republicans have to give somebody a reason to vote for them. >> is there a battle, a struggle, and rush limbaugh said this the gop establishment is in a state of panic over anybody but romney. >> about santorum? >> yeah, in a panic over santorum and it was newt gingrich before and rick perry before that and herman cain at one point. do you see that state of panic?

>> i'm not so sure i would go that far. it's not that state. i think there's a great deal of concern that the republican party cannot land on one particular candidate who is an obvious winner. i think there's concern about that. but pan i think that somebody other than romney like a santorum is coming on strong? no that's much too strong. a lot of the republicans welcome some of the ideas and issues that rick santorum is injecting into the campaign, morale values. he's brought those right to the center of the campaign. i think a lot of republicans want to discuss that. look at the morality today, where is it going? is it looking lacunae owe pagen europe or america? >> i made headlines a whiling a calling europeans a bunch of pagan losers and he is trying to take us down that same road and

a lot don't like it. >> the base or the main lineup cans, if you look at the super pac issue, american crossroads is the republican run by our friends karl rove and steve gillispie and mr. law, it's raise ago lot of money, tens of millions of dollars. >> they will need it. >> people will put their bets behind the republican, and they are giving to individual candidates. that will shore up soon enough. if you look how fractured the democrats are and who they are giving money to, it's not he can't raise the money but democrats are putting their money where their mouth is. >> can you see either of them winning the primary you san see a path for rick santorum, can you see a path for romney. >> i think a path for both rick santorum and romney but i think it will be very difficult to gingrich. >> even with oklahoma, georgia, sweep the south super tuesday?

>> sweeps the south? i think it's unlikely. i don't see it happening. >> a possibility? >> remote. >> remote. >> frankly. >> she is it this to you every time. what's your comeback now? >> i thereof, actually. [laughter] >> you know, you are ruining the whole show when you start getting along. this is not good. >> wait a minute. >> wait a minute what? >> have we ever not gotten along. >> yes, you guys have fought hard on this program. >> rubbish. >> i like when he said things will not work. >> rubbish. >> it sounds better with the english accent. >> cue the football, okay? >> i'll do bill clinton before we get out of here. all right. let not your heart be troubled. when we get back our great, great, great american panel is next. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. lord of the carry-on. sovereign of the security line. you never take an upgrade for granted.

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>> tonight on our great, great american panel, he and editor,

fox news contributor tucker carlson is here. a columnist, kirsten powers, and he the author of capital punishment and a weekly columnist for worldnetdaily.com. are you a lobbyist? is that how you refer to yourself, jack abramoff~temp? all the stuff coming out. and the latest speech was on drudge all day today. santorum's satan warning when he was speaking at the college. he put out a statement, meaning the santorum campaign, and he said, look, you are going to ask questions about this, we will talk about america and getting it growing. if you want to dig up old speeches talking to a religious group, go ahead, but i'm going to stay on message. does he get to do? >> they will try to take him off message all day, especially if he's in the lead. nobody on the right can talk about religion without being accused of being some sort of fanatic so i think they will be on him all day.

>> what do you think? >> i think you should expect when you have speeches in your past and when people find them that you will have to respond to them. it's a little cry babyish for them to -- >> well, cry babyish, that's not what my campaign is about, a speech to a religion school i gave five years ago. >> it may not be what his campaign is about but i think it's reasonable for people to answer questions about things he has said in the past. >> it razzias good question. the lord's prayer has lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. >> and it's in a book, too. >> yeah. >> yeah, right. it rang a bell. >> 2004, tucker. i'm not selling your book. >> just kidding. >> in all fairness, you look at the "the killing fields" you look at stalin and russia and nazi germany and imperial japan. >> there was a lot of evil in the world. not just programs that went bad, but flat-out evil and i think rick santorum should face is

directly. his opponents, some of the republicans want to paint him as a religion nut. the best way to counteract it is to say there is evil in the world, and by the way, if you don't recognize it, you are complicity in it. >> i actually agree with you. i think that would be the best thing for him to do, and i was talking about evil that is in the world, radical islam, evil, 9/11 evil, rape, murder, evil. >> but that's not what he was talking about. he was talking about satan, and he -- >> and evil. >> hold on a second. satan is in the bible. it's not, actually what he said is not that controversy. i think the catholic church would agree with what he said, right? satan exists. it's not -- >> on some level there's exorcisms supported by the church. >> if you are a religious christian, that is not really outside the bounds of what you would believe. to the secular media it sounds crazy. i'm not saying he should be targeted as being crazy but he will have to answer questions about it. >> well, about you don't believe

in evil in this day and age, he should flip it? >> absolutely but i don't think it's reasonable for him to walk back and pretend he didn't say what he was saying. a lot of people relate to what he said. >> and i'm not going to let the media define my agenda. >> i mean, the point is also republicans can't talk about religion. the president gets up there and tries to explain to us that you can raise taxes as a consequence of what jesus might have said or what's in the bible. and yet a republican talking about frankly any religion concept is going to get attacked and that's what we are saying. >> what a double standard. unto who much is given, more taxes for obama. not exactly what he said. i'm kidding. >> but he came to the prayer breakfast and said jesus is for a progressive tax rate, jesus is for my program. the religious right doesn't get the read it deserves for being self rictus. and they get a pass on it. >> in that sense was he using

religion to, and the bible to advance his attempt to raise taxes and get the rich to pay their fair share? >> i agree completely with what tucker said i won't even say tell evangelist, i would say the right. when people on the left try to use the bible to justify. >> do you think obama did it. >> right. and the people on the right tell us we have to support a free market. >> well, if he brought the bible in and taxes, why doesn't he talk about joseph and the maximum tax anybody can ever charge is 20% which is what they charged on. >> well, render to cesar that which is cesar and that which is god unto god. and i take cesar gets nothing. isn't that a good justification? >> sounds like -- you know. our road to surf dom hering and poor. we will come back with more of our great, great, great american

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>> we continue with the great american panel. i know it may be early, we don't have a nominee yet but the voice for vp is bantered about. and mark co8%, santorum 7, christie 6, palin, gingrich and

paul 4. i'm surprised marco is not higher. it's a no-brainer, right? >> i don't meet a republican who doesn't have the words marco rubio on his lips. >> i told rubio to stop answering the suggest. i will drag him into saying yes myself. >> you can get arrested for that. good luck. >> i'm sorry. >> he'sen credibly impressive, he's somebody who res ag -- resonates with every crossover. >> is that why some groups have been going after rubio lately? >> if they haven't yet, i guarantee you they will start as soon as it starts up. and i think it's important that we vet whoever it is very thoroughly and we get out there early in terms of any weaknesses will be. we see what they are doing right now, how they are coming after

everybody who pokes their head out of the republican partyism think we have to be careful. we can't afford to have a joe biden republican because you can be joe biden it you are a democrat but not if you are a republican. >> that's a very good point. and it brings the transition to the daily caller and all the press that you have gotten from the mainstream media and the follow newspaper in terms of your explosive, investigative piece on media matters and their collaboration with the white house and their weekly meetings and how they wrote the prime time kcripts, and the media didn't report on it. >> we bust them. we found ben smith received a 90 page media matters memo a year ago and never reported the key details of that. kept that information from his readers. >> and you also have evidence that they also fed it to nbc news, the washington post

columnist, the new york times . >> and we've had hostile reaction we've received has been from the legacy media, the old going out of business. >> the dan rather media? >> that's exactly right. >> and that what, you didn't talk to enough source? >> that's right. we have the document. of course, no, some of this is shoddy, right? but keep in mind media matters to this day, you know, eight or nine days later has not rebut add single thing we've written, not one single thing. >> i don't know if you were on the enemy list, and by the way he's number one now on the enemy's list, but they talked about hiring private investigators, but they have this relationship with the white house. and they meet with valerie jared and other white house representatives once a week. does that mean that they ever corroborated, discussed, collaborated on the issue of this minute's list? >> there's no evidence that the white house was in any way in cahoots, unless you can tell me in terms of targeting fox news,

and please, i think it's probably the most despicable thing that cam out of this. >> don't we need to find out who happened? monitoring the media is perfectly fine, and th didn't do anything wrong and in fact they were very successful. >> well, look, if you were a left wing benefactor who wanted to influence the news cycle, giving it to media matters. and had if you want to affect how they cover the news, it was a good investment. should the white house be coordinating with them in their attacks against fox? of course not. >> meeting with them doesn't suggest they were sitting down and -- >> i think a weekly conference call does. >> what do you think? >> i think one of the more egregious thing they did was attack ring us broadcasters and coming off religious broadcastters in a way that has to be