kids. >> monica: i got to go. thank you. that is all the time we've got left this evening. thank you so much. we'll toss it to greta van susteren to go live on the record. >> greta: rick santorum he is headed from the debate stage, that is minutes now. donald trump he endorsed mitt romney. he is here too tonight. you will hear from donald trump and rick santorum in just seconds, plus, it gets absolutely more outrageous by the minute, fannie mae and freddie mac racking up millions of dollars in bills for taxpayers but you won't believe what they are charging millions now. don't miss this. but first, from healthcare to the birth control controversy, showdown in the desert gets he would. >> senator, your term in

government. government has doubled in size. without compensating cuts in spending. in my view we should not raise the debt ceiling again until we get a cut and cap and balance approach must be taken. >> this idea of being fiscally conservative and we're going to repeal something we did before, it loses credibility. >> particularlyly this week, senator santorum you have a new ad that labels him a fake? >> because he is a fake. >> while i was fighting to save the olympics you were fighting to save the bridge to nowhere. >> we've had thousands of earmarks. they are tagged on to bundled on to other bills. >> go ahead, go ahead. >> you are entitled to your opinions. you misrepresent the facts.

you don't know what you are talking about. >> i think it was appropriate to ask for what you got. i think it's kind of silly, to turn around run an ad to get you what got and claiming you what got was right and what they got was wrong. >> along the line of the pills creating immorality. you don't blame the pills. it's like the argument, conservatives use the argument about guns, guns don't kill, criminals kill. in a way, its morality of society that we have do to deal with. the pill is there and contributes, but the pills can't be blamed for the immorality of our society. >> we have a problem in this country, family is fracturing, over 40% of children are born out of wednesday lock. how can a country survive if children are being raised where it's so much harder to succeed economically. >> here is the difference

between me and the left. just because i'm talking about it, doesn't mean i want a government program to fix it. that is what they do, that is not what we do. >> greta: how do the candidates do? donald trump joins us by phone? >> good evening. >> greta: i know you like governor romney since you endorsed him. let's go to rick santorum, did he say anything tonight that changed your view about him whether or not he would be capable or good president of the united states. >> guest: i think he missed a great opportunity. he was ready to go and he never got it off. i really have to say i believe not because i endorsed him but i believe mitt romney had a very good night. he was decisive. he was quick and sharp. he knew what he was talking about. i really think he had a great night. >> greta: do you think we're at that point in the debate that everyone has chosen his horse, basically. there is nothing that any of the

candidates can do to change anything other if there is a huge gaffe. >> guest: only the big gaffe and big gaffe as you've seen throughout the various debates is possible but only the big gaffe. we've heard it all. obviously they are going to say it hundred times again, you wonder how many more times can listen to this. nobody did poorly tonight. i thought romney and newt was good. i think rick missed a great opportunity. people were waiting to see something. i don't believe they saw it. >> greta: what do you think people are waiting for? what didn't you see? >> you didn't see the decisiveness. you didn't see the leadership somebody really getting to romney and hurting romney and hurting what romney was saying. i think was a great opportunity he had. he certainly didn't do poorly but he didn't knock it out of

the park. i think mitt actually did in fact knock it out of the park. >> greta: in terms of being decisive, he was decisive whether you agree witness or not like issues with fractured family, iran and syria. he was quite decisive. you think he didn't land a blow on governor romney? >> guest: not a blow, it was about to but it never happened. he didn't land a blow. >> greta: you said speaker gingrich did well. what was it -- did your opinion change of him at all in terms of his ability to be qualified president of united states? >> guest: i've always liked him. he a good guy and big thinker. i thought he came across very well tonight. >> greta: but why? >> guest: i thought his thoughts were big. i think he a natural debater.

he has been really good. he had the two debates which frankly were not like him were the ones that were decisively won by mitt romney. generally speaking i think he is a good debater. his thoughts were large and good for instance, his thoughts on immigration were interesting good and well delivered. >> greta: do you think most people looking at these debates who they are running like a sporting event or looking for positions? >> i think a lot of people are looking for a train wreck. auto race, that is down deep why they go. there was no train wreck tonight. i think some did better than others. mitt romney really did the best. >> greta: do you agree with me on this that the three that romney, santorum and gingrich are more alike to each other and

representative ron paul is different from them? >> guest: ron paul's view on iran having a nuclear weapon i think he lost me completely and he lost a lot of people. you even here the boos from the audience, nobody can live with that. it's too dangerous. if we allow that to happen it's going to be a rough time when we have to negotiate with them four years from now. something has to be done. his views on iran, a lot of people get lost when he takes about it. it really hurts him and his credibility. >> greta: nobody wants to talk about war. >> guest: i agree. >> greta: however, the three men on the stage, with the exceptions of ron paul did not think talking was the solution and did not think sanctions were working. do you think that those three will be taking a military action if they are president of united

states against iran? >> it would sound that way. i'm not sure that has to be done immediately, sanctions do have at least an impact maybe not as major impact as you would like. it's interesting. if we had the right negotiator in office, which we don't, you don't have to go to the war. we have every single card there is and the right person would get them to the table without a war. there is nobody more conservative and more let's say mill terrifyistic than donald trump. did militaryistic. you can use that military, saddam hussein totally outplayed his hand. khadafy overplayed his hand. they see that in iran and it's going to happen to them unless they come to the table. if you had the right leader, you would have them at the table without having to waste lives and billions of dollars.

>> greta: assume that we did have them at the table, what in the world do you think it is that we could offer them to persuade them to convince them to scare them, whatever, for iran to step down on nuclear weapon development? >> guest: survival, it's pure and simple. a horrible thing, it's survival. they won't survive. i mean, they are in deep trouble if they carry it out. i think obama will go to war with iran because i think he views it as good politically. it's pretty sad thing to have to say but he will go to war with iran. he views that as a positive from a political standpoint. she just waiting for the right moment. i think iran better be damn careful. they are overplaying their hand just like khadafy and just like saddam hussein. >> greta: ronald iag ran won the

cold war by basically scaring them. >> right. he won it by toughness and by strong military toughness without having to use the military. i'm afraid with the kind of leadership we have, we'll probably have to use the military. we could make a much better deal without having to do it. >> greta: when you talk about doing something tirl, h military. ambassador bolton said to take military action against iran, you can essentially expect they will try to incinerate tel aviv. it's much more than just go to war. there are huge strategic decisions to be made. >> guest: i really think you can do it through toughness and strength. we have all the cards. i guarantee they are sitting back in iran, whether they are sort of crazy or not crazy at all, they are assaulting back

there, wow, this is going to be bad. take a look what happened to saddam hussein with his great rhetoric and khadafy with his rhetoric. fished them out of pipes. you fished them out of the sewer. it's going to happen again in iran. unfortunately it's going to happen probably that way. there is no reason for it. if we had the right leadership, if we had the right negotiators, believe me we could win and much more without having to do it and without having to waste lives. >> greta: what is interesting the u.n. inspectors they have left iran. they said it was failure in efforts to try to work out something and nuclear weapons inspector. but secondly in terms of war, president obama has been quite aggressive with drones going after osama bin laden. i'm not so sure what you are expecting president obama would do differently from the four men

on the stage besides congressman ron paul. how different is it with every single one of those men would be doing? >> guest: what i'm saying, if we're listening and hearing correctly they would not give long periods of time. i'm not saying it's wrong. i'm saying before it happens, when iran knows it's going to happen, it is over. you look at obsolete ships. they are talking about all the nonsense and you look at ships, i can tell you those are old ships that they have. everything they have is third rate compared to what we have including numbers. they don't have a chance. somebody has to say, folks, you are overplaying your hand. we're going to give you a little bit of time, but not going to have any nuclear weapons. no matter how strong we are, when you go to war there is risk. you talk about israel, could

they get lucky or could they hit -- bad things can happen with war. not always positive but very negative things. i would love to see through total strength and total toughness a negotiation where they don't produce the within. i think you can do that if you have the right leadership and negotiators which we do not have right now. >> greta: what is your explanation why governor romney is scoring away ahead in the polls in michigan. it is his home state and now he is point or two behind senator santorum. >> guest: polls show he is leading in michigan and few days ago he was 10 or 15 points behind. i have done a lot of radio shows and a lot of shows out there. hopefully it's made an impact. mitt romney is a good man and strong guy. he knows what is happening. he will protect us against opec. he'll protect us against china and do a good job with iran.

i think he is going to win in michigan. polls are showing now all of a sudden he is winning in michigan. he is also winning in arizona. i think it's going to be interesting to see what happens. >> greta: donald, thank you. >> g.o.p. presidential debate number 20 just ended and rick santorum joins us. stand by. is it ever going to stop? do you know you taxpayer you are paying legal bills of fannie mae and freddie mac accused of committing securities fraud and got higher bonuses which you also paid. the legal bills so far is $50 million and how could it cost that much? and forget the election, is president obama trying to win a grammy award. he makes an encore performance. all caught on tape. it's coming up. ♪ ♪

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>> you won't believe what taxpayers are paying for. a new report shows you are footing the bill for legal expenses for former fannie and freddie executives. and the bill is obscene. have you spent more than $50 million in legal fees in defending executives, accused of cooking the books to scam you. so why in the world are you paying their legal bills? liz mcdonald joins us. why are the taxpayers paying this enormous legal bill for people who are accused of scamming them to begin with? >> because the government overseer, the watchdog, the federal housing finance agency and inspector general for that agency is saying that fannie and freddie have contracts with these executives are, that they can't break u. you are right, greta. these executives in prior years were accused of securities and

accounting fraud. and in fact, these executives face billions of dollars worth of lawsuits where these legal fees will be racked up. basically, $100 million plus in legal fees that the government has been paying for fannie and freddie, have been paying for these executives. a third of the legal fees were incurred after the government seized these two companies in september 2008, greta. >> all right. a couple of things. number 1; when you are accused of fraud, that relieves obligation, if proven under the contract. i don't know why in the world -- this is a fraud allegation to begin with. that's the first thing. so i am not sure, if i were the taxpayers -- or the one making the decision, i would be so worried about this. secondly, the law firms that are paying this, i know legal bills. i am telling you, there is almost nothing you can do and get a $50 million bill. that means you are sending six lawyers to every deposition when you only need one. number 3; since we are paying,

we should get the bill online, to know what the lawyers are charging. i want to know, how much are they charging for copying papers? nothing costs $50 million in a legal bill. nothing. >> what this remit -- report shows is that the lawyers are billing to the 10th of the hour, every 6 minutes for fees. fannie mae was frank rin reins and two other executives who cooked the books at fannie, even a government agency said that franklin reins and his executives, knowingly manipulated the books. the three walked away with $115 million in executive pay. franklin reins got $90 million when countrywide financial, one of fannie mae's biggest clients

and they were giving a lot of money in the form of political donations to congress. so you saw a record $400 million fine slapped against fannie and franklin reins having to pay over $31 million in fines, back to the government for their accounting and securities fraud. and basically, that was the settlement. but they paid with stock options that were proven to be worthless. but getting to your point at hand, the housing and economic recovery act, which basically dictates how fannie and freddie are taken into conservatives, meaning seized by the u.s. government, says that the government can repudiate those contracts with the executives, that they don't have to pay the legal fees. and here's the deal, the i.g., inspector general says they want to continue to pay because they don't want to get into future legal fights with these executives. i think it would be cheaper to

not pay the fees and go to court and not cover the legal battles. >> i hope every viewer would write every member of congress and representative and demand that the legal bills at a minimum be put online. let's see. i have seen legal bills. i know how big they get. $50 million is so obscene, i don't know what the law firms are doing. it's bad enough what fannie and freddie did and the executives cooked the books and now it's happening again with the enormous legal fees. there is no bidding and we are -- >> there is a saying that they are going to limit the fees. that's all they are saying. but fannie and freddie still have that unlimited pipeline into the u.s. treasury, where they can get unlimited dollars to rescue themselves. they collapsed into the arms of the u.s. taxpayers in 2008. and taxpayers are footing the legal costs for executives going forward. i'll say again and again, the

indemnification clauses in these corporate contracts quickly say that you get to get your legal fees covered if you act in the best interest of your company and the scope of your authorities. securities and accounting fraud -- >> they are accused have had cooking the books so they can pay themselves more with taxpayer money and they got scpawt now we are paying the legal fees. this is so outrageous. write to your congressmen and u.s. senators. >> coming up, rick santorum just left the stage in the arizona debate and is headed right here. stand by for senator rick santorum in just a moment. and are president obama supporters just not that into him? his main base of support may be loosing its spark. what's the ominous sign? find out, coming up ♪

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lot of reasons. >> greta: critical night for rick santorum, miet and romney is are in a battle for arizona and michigan. >> how are you doing, greta. >> greta: did you hear that sound bite, it was the exchange over governor romney endorsing him in 2008. let me ask you a question. by the way, it was $400 million that massachusetts got, it was 530. we had tommy thompson on. the things you criticize him, money for olympics and the healthcare bill in massachusetts now you want to beat him? >> first off, in the election, he changed. he was going to be a conservative. he went out and supported the wall street bailouts, big

intruce of government. he has repeatedly supported romney care. in 2008, romney care was just getting started. healthcare is central issue in this election because of what president obama did was use romney care and oppose a federal mandate on people. governor romney is right. state mandate is certainly lawful but not the right way to fix the problem. i saw what i saw from governor romney was a continuation of going to big government solutions after the 2000 elections which leads me to suspicion he has changed. the issue of obamacare is the issue in this race. it wasn't in 2008 and it's about government control of healthcare and governor romney is uniquely unqualified to take that battle to the president of the united states. >> greta: another comment that came up today in the sound bite,

i'm trying to understand it. i want you to explain. the dangers of contraception. what did you mean by that? does the government have any role at all in contraception? i understand, but what are danger of contraception? are you in any way, are you going to interfere with a couple's right to contraception? >> no, of course not. i haven't in all my years. it's a legal product. i have no problems with that. the bottom line when i talked about during the debate. what is happening in our culture with the breakdown of the family and children having children out of wednesday lock. we wedlock. what is going on with 40% of american children being born out of wedlock because of the huge sexual activity outside of marriage. i saw this as part of a whole

series of issues related to the breakdown of the family. that is what i said i would talk about and i have talked about in the is on course of this campaign. >> greta: they are talking about these issues if the government getting in to them. are you saying were with contraception there is more sexual activity. that young people would be less sexually active without contraception? >> well, that certainly was the case in the past. you have sexually transmitted diseases and you have sexually transmitted diseases and whole series of issues related to that. i think we as a public health issue, we need to be concerned about and more importantly, as i mentioned before with respect to families and having children, having children out of wedlock. this is serious break down of

the family in america. the idea of being limited government and lower taxes and seeing families continue to be formed outside of wedlock is a serious problem frankly being recognized now both on the left and right. >> greta: the videotape statement of everybody going back to high school if we had it you said recently, this is quote i want you to explain it. part of what you said. set sights on america. is there any way the comment was manifest anything in terminate of a santorum presidency. would we see it in any form? >> i believe in good and evil. i believe evil exists. i believe good exists. think one of the great things about america is that we have a belief of good and evil. i think it's important as our country goes forward we are able

to tell the difference and be able to tell the difference. that is what i was talking about. it's interesting that another guy was criticized for that, his name was ronald reagan when he said evil empire. he referred to the evil that exists in this country, same issues that i talked about in this speech. it was a rip off of reagan's evil empire speech. these are important issues in our country to understand that there is evil out there and that we need to confront that evil around the world and things that are going on in this country. >> greta: iran, another topic of discussion and syria is a puppet of iran. iran is a very serious issue right now. we haven't been successful persuading iran not to go forward.

as far as we know, even the intelligence we gather is not particularly good, i don't think. if you were president what would you be doing about iran beginning tonight? >> guest: you can go back to look at my history. eight years i suggested and pushed forward to pass a bill to fund but to impose tough sanctions on the iranian government. to use covert and working with other interests in the region to try to dismantle and slow down the process of developing these weapons. the main thing that has to be done, we need to do what president obama was very willing to do in egypt and libya but was receipt sent to do in syria and iran which s support the pro-democracy movement in these countries. he was ready to jump in bed with the muslim brotherhood in libya

and egypt has actually sided with syria in this struggle by recognizing them as a government for first time in many years. put an end to it and during the elections in 2009, when the green revolution was sparked in iran, he sided with mahmoud ahmadinejad. again, if you are an enemy of the united states, you probably you are going to get nice treatment from obama, if you are friend you will get thrown under the bus. >> greta: i think speaker gingrich said something like that. i'm curious, israel has been very worried about what would happen with so-called pro-democracy movement in egypt. they would have preferred mubarak. even the so-called pro democracy movement hasn't been a sure thing for us or at world. >> guest: the pro-democracy movement was an ally of israel,

an ally of the united states. a friend for many years which we've had strong relations. certainly there is no spiantd, but pro-democracy, quote, we knew that the strongest civil group, civil society group, if you will, in the country of egypt was the muslim brotherhood. they were the main opponent to the regime in egypt. there was wide speculation that not only were they involved in the, quote, pro-democracy movement but they were certainly poised to benefit from a toppling of the regime because of the tremendous work they had done in developing schools and educating the public. egypt has become much more radicalized over the years. the president who should have known to what egypt was really up to and what the pro-democracy forces were up to, he should have known what was coming in

after mubarak and he still acted to throw mubarak under the bus and take that risk. now, we see the risk come to fruition, not only with the muslim brotherhood but the 40s tilt toward israel but the persecution of christians in egypt. >> greta: when the debate ends, is everybody chum my on the stage, phony friendliness you have to have in a social setting? >> we're all in it for the same reasons. we want to defeat barack obama. look, i felt this debate was clearly a couple of guys were focused on double teaming me. that is what happens. they saw that as an opportunity to team up like they've done in michigan and other states. we have to stay strong and take it back to them and talk about

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>> guest: decline of 30% is significant decline for the president. i think it's clear evidence of a decline in excitement among grass moots and internet contributors across the board. obama campaign argues that they have raised 98% of their fund-raising has come in donations smaller than $250. they say we got great grassroots support. 30% decline is spin away. >> greta: have you looked at the double term of president bush 43 and he if he had a decline? >> guest: george bush was very successful in january 2004 when he was running for his second term. he had record fund-raising during that campaign.

they had really strong system of pioneers you may recall and had a lot of very good industry support, oil industry, wall street support. so this is a bit of anomaly. >> greta: i thought the stunning number was the super pac, obama super pac, done very poorly. they really don't like him now. >> guest: one of the motivating factors of his embrace of the super pac and encouraging to contribute is they are sputtering had they are certainly weaker in hard dollar fund-raising. he went before the congress in the state of the union address in 2010 and said the super pacs are the latest evil in american democracy and allowing special interests. now, when he needs to catch up to ps.

he is changing his tune and start accepting unlimited donations. >> greta: how about the dnc? >> the dnc is down. if you combine president obama's contributions with the dnc, overall they need to do better. >> greta: in terms of president, he hit the road. he seems to be very busy. >> guest: he is busy, what he is trying to do he has a bit of enthusiasm gap. you recall how popular he was in 2008 among democrats, outrageous outpouring of support. he was aggressive primary campaign with hillary clinton. first african-american strongly challenging to be president. the money flowed. now after three years, the economy is weak. he still has high unemployment. he is unwinding two wars. congress gridlock. so it's causing a hangover for

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>> greta: okay. top stories, but here is the best of the rest. it probably something you

expected to see something on the view. star jones made a return appearance, almost six years ago she announced her departure live on the air. >> the question people ask me, now they can do it. >> it was ugly. >> what was ugly? >> everything around was ugly. >> it was a bad emotional time. nasty things were being said in the media. it was not a good emotional time. i take real responsibility for my own behavior at all times but i won't have responsibility if i have not made a decision that i can live with. i wanted to go out on my own terms. i wanted to control it so when i walked back in here i would feel good coming back in. >> what we were trying to do then is protect you. >> we tried to protect you allot

when you were here. it's the view and you are here. what year did you get your gastric? >> it was 2003. >> so now, gastric bypass surgery which by the way you are [ bleep ], congratulations. [ laughter ] >> so, we were told by, don't say gastric bypass. >> they say it is easier for dieting. >> i said don't talk about my private why i decided to lose weight. when you have private things, i did not discuss it. >> but i am writing a second book. [ laughter ] >> satan sister, a bunch of talk show hosts that sound like [ bleep ]. >> greta: jones went on the show to raise awareness about women's

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