that is a teacher wants to be accurate. >> why else would you take that salary? >> why take it? at least now there is some good news. >> now? >> and some truth. teachers could be fired. >> anywhere in america we'll outperform other schools in five years. >> and test scores at this charter school? >> there isn't a word for it. >> and problem kids. >> no way. i love school. >> and sadly adult schools have won the show and made us stupid in america. >> school spending has tripled

over the past 40 years. we spend more than other countries but what do we get? more assistant principals but student learning? no improvement. take a look. here is the line. 40 years scores have been flat. more money, no improvements. it's awful but there is some good news, around america cool things are starting to happen. >> school is boring. >> no. it's not. >> and yes. it is. i know. i went to school. grade school was boring. so was high school. so was princeton. except for the party part. but for grades you have to learn reading and writing. that is work. >> reading is work. >> and it's rocking awesome. >> these kids say school is fun? >> yes. >> how is it fun to learn? >> they teach news a fun way.

>> do you look forward to going to school in the morn something. >> yes. >> these kids attend a new charter school. free public schools but charters their schools gave them escape bureaucracy this, school enrolled inner city kids bureaucrats label risk of failure. but these kids learn. >> going to our school is a ticket to educational success. >> this woman runs several charter schools, all get outstanding test scores. >> you do with the same money? >> with less. 4,000s skpdz $6,000 less per child. >> how? for less money do they get kids so interested?. >> in math? >> yes z reading. writing. >> is it work? >> and school day here is longer, kids often stay to

5:00 p.m. charter teachers could be asked to work more than the union would have aloud. they told us they don't mind. >> but you're going to burn out. why aren't you ticked off? its not an option. the eye sont prize is these kids. >> they use new teaching techniques. >> what are they telling you?. >> things i don't see f i don't think of a great question, in the moment my principal is feed to tho-to-he me through the ear piece. >> we see them as athletes to the olympics. >> and they wave their hands around, it confused me but other students explain it's called active listening instead of interrupting class, students make hand gestures.

>> what is the symbol for agreeing? >> high test scores made these charters popular, parents line up to get their kids in. >> the line goes on. and on. and forever. and around the clock? >> so many applicants, but not that many taken what. do you do when there are thousands of people and just a few hundred slots? there is a lottery. winners are happy. sadly there are more losers. and in oakland another charter gets similar results. >> here is what i say. give me the worst school in oakland. but next to them give us the worst schools anywhere in america. we'll take it and we'll outperform other schools in five years. >> ben cavis created the model

of american indian public schools in the heart of a rough neighborhood. >> these are hard workers here. >> the kids in the school now have some of the highest test scores in california. >> you can do that with the same amount the state gives every school? >> we get less than any other school. kids in american indian public charter schools are scoring so far above the average for the state for pun lick school children there isn't a word for it. >> they use different techniques. here in american indian they pay kids to tutor other kids. >> we hire our students and pay them. they're excited they're going make money. >> chavis is the plitly incorrect. >> you'll be a rare bird. >> he's been criticized for

strict rules. >> you've got trouble in you, boy. >> they want us to succeed. >> a teacher made this student do push ups because he didn't follow directions. >> have you to try hard when you're here. >> i hate saturday school. >> in other schools we didn't have as much home work, here there are six subjects in home work and teachers were nicer. >> meaner? yet, no student has been expelled since the school began in 2000. >> no way. >> i love the kids to get in trouble. you can take a kid acting like a fool, gets in trouble and use them as example. it's cruel, yikts say. a sixth grade students acts up in class he'll be sent to sit on the floor in an 8th grade class. >> yes. it's true. >> even gym class is strict. >> we play games every pe.

but here it's running for so minutes or running around the block. >> you fire people at your school. >> they should be fired you fire teachers after one day? >> she's incompetent. >> you can tell in one day? >> yeah. you can tell. >> last year, i thought i was going to get fired a few times. it can happen at the job. >> it's not true in most government-run schools, especially union teachers that are happy they can't be suddenly fired but these charter teachers can be. >> you can get canned in a moment. does it bother you? >> if i'm not doing my job and fired for that? so be it. >> if i was a doctor ask wasn't good, i mean i won't -- no one would come to me, right? >> you cannot maintain quality. >> it's as many as we let them total. >> have you fired more than

10? >> in three schools in eight years? yes. >> and bad teachers might get fired, good teachers are given freedom. >> they can choose their textbooks and teaching methods as long as they every quarter ask year make sure students are learning what they need to learn at the end of the day. >> in harlem, 43% of 8th graders get passing grades in math tests. 100% of her kids pass. so if such charters work why aren't there more of them? unions hate charters. this protest occurred outside of a charter. >> i hope it's not personal but it may be. >> over my dead body. >> does he get the stop them? >> when we return i'll confront unions about that and other strange things union bosses said like we shouldn't

judge teachers but how well students do on tests. >> how do you know if they're learning anything? >> i know my kids are learning when i look in their eyes. >> what? more stupid in america when we return. [ male announcer ] away...

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it was impossible to fire bad teachers. the union boss said because of my program... >> they had made them feel they were tricked into teach. >> they were surprised i came out here to hear this. and said i should be educated. the crowd liked the idea of me teaching. >> i think i said, okay. i'll teach. but then, they changed their minds. union president won't talk to me anymore but to other union bosses did. joe dellgrasso and nathan saunders from washington, d.c.. >> city schools are terrible because of unions like yours. >> we have progress as a result of unions. >> three days before saunders led this march to complain

about how well students do on test there is an antitest song. and i i i know why. >> your results are awful, among the lowest in the nation. you make an argument this is the lowest in the nation based on test scores? yes. boy say that ours is better. >> the unions have been saying that for years. >> i think unions have a pretty strong history of abdicatting for high quality ed oox but not achieve it our test scores are not what we choose to focus on. we choose to focus on teaching kids. >> how do you know if they're learning anything if you don't compare. >> i know my kids are learning when i look in their eyes.

>> they had celebrity support. actor matt damon asked about rule to make it hard to fire a union teacher. >> in acting there isn't job security. why isn't it like that for teacher autos do you think job insecurity makes me hurt hard? >> you have incentive to work harder its not incentive. you take this nba-style thinking. right? >> mba style? well, yes. charter schools, vouchers and the race to the top based on the idea competition is good. kids are free to take their school money to my any school. competition among schools including for-profit chains will force all schools to get better or go out of business. the best schools will expand. but the unions don't like that market competition. 50 there is a profit motive behind all of the testing. >> we need to get corporations

out of the schools. >> and there is is it taken out? >> no. some teachers making over 100,000s oodz then, they aren't making enough. >> matt damon agrees with that. >> a teacher wants to teach. why else would you take a [ bleep ] salary and really long hours? >> teachers make a [ sleep ] salary? today they make more per hour than a a.ktants, nurses, architects. >> i can guarantee you this. it's not about money. >> kevin chafis is a former washington, d.c. politician. >> when i was a politician i gave the school system $300 million new dollars, teachers got more money than ever. and what they did do, they

moved central office, they had more deputies to the assistant to the deputy to the assistant. >> former district chancellor founded a bigger bureaucracy didn't get school supplies for the kids walking in to schools and seeing there were no books in the library, kids didn't have supplies and pencils then, following week i visited the warehouse and there were boxes and boxes of books and saysors and glue. >> why didn't they get to the school? >> exactly. that was the question. >> why didn't they? >> it was an complete and utter sense of dysfunction and lack of accountability. >> the reason they call it the school bureaucracy, it's like a jabba the hut thing. it's politicians, school board bureaucrats, if you try to

make a change, the blob says. >> we don't do that here, we have to get more, five people to sign off. deputy director has to say this is okay. it's crazy. >> both union leaders escape that had bureaucracy. >> this is a private school? >> right. it made me feel i better do pret pretty good in that school, or else. >> and i'll confront union bosses when we return. why can't other people have the choices they have? and what is wrong with these people? 1 [ donovan ] i hit a wall. and i thought "i can't do this, it's just too hard." then there was a moment. when i decided to find a way to keep going. go for olympic gold and go to college too. [ male announcer ] every day we help students earn

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look who sent their kids to private school. >> thank you for taking my question. i wanted to know whether or not you think malia and sasha would get the same high quality education in a washington, d.c. public school. >> if i wanted to find a great public school we can probably maneuver to do it. >> but apparently he didn't want to. the president now sends them to sidwell prep where the vice president's grandkids attend. tuition is $32,000 a year. as a union leader? >> you went to private school? >> correct. i graduated at catholic high

school. >> this school board meeting says he used up his speaking time saying the contract mandate seven more moneys than i got. and the rigidity of the union contract is why the kids suffer, your union is the problem. degrasso opposes letting them escape the rules by, say, allowing them to attend charter school autos over my dead body they're going come to it. i'm going to physically try to stop it. there are certain things you don't mix. oil and water. >> he says charters favor rich kids. but... newark public schools spend almost $400,000 for classrooms. the charters get less.

>> not that much less. >> it's hardly the rich versus the poor. >> let them into the schools. >> don't want them in our school autos and you're not happy for them, then. >> and i don't think so. but fox and cnn can't banish competition. >> competition is good. it's where we have fox, cnn and msnbc. there is a choice of what channel you're going to watch. what school you attend. it makes things better. he understands that about his own education. >> my mother paid me to go to them. i kind of made me feel i had better do good in that school. or else. >> sounds like you're arguing against a unionized public school. >> not arguing against them. >> most of the independent schools are still catholic schools doing a great job for less than half of the money

you've spent i won't say that. >> $17,000 versus $5,000? >> john, get it over with. >> catholic schools fire bad teachers government-run schools can't because teachers get tenure. why have tenur sne.. >> in organized crime you got to be a made person. which is a nice thing. >> you like organized crime? you're in forever unless you die? or are killed. >> well, you know, there is that perspective of it. you're a good teacher, there shouldn't be a problem. >> here is one problem. not every teacher is good. some are really lousy. it's impossible to fire these teachers. >> why? >> because there are millionins of steps. >> there is only one. >> it's all of these steps. >> this is the list of steps required to fire a teacher in

my town this, is why most principals don't try. they look at the list and just give up. or they push the worst teachers to transfer to another school. that is a common way and there is a name for it. the dance of the lemon. it leaves some kids stuck with terrible achers. this investigator says it takes years to fire even an abusive teacher. >> lots of kids said he hit kids. >> lots of people said he didn't. took four years, $283,000, $127,000 in legal fees. plus... went across to have a substitute going on. >> still being paid by the district. >> he couldn't fire the teach dwlaer faked his doctorate. >> and went to sleep in class

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from america's news headquarters i'm lauren green. on saturday, where trayvon martin was shot by a neighborhood volunteer, george zimmerman claims he shot martin in self-defense but martin's family says surveillance video shows skim jerman wasn't injured. and a new scare tactic could be used to get people to take shelter during violent storms.

national weather service will begin testing a new system including messages like mass devastation making the area unrecognizable to survivors. agency says it hopes it will save lives in tornado-prone areas where people have become desent tiesed to the false alarms. now back to our special "stupid in america". >> education in america is unmatched. who might take them? >> someone needs to fix it. you can do it. >> and think of it. and the shell is an acting chancellor. >> five years ago she managed

washington, d.c. schools. >> you had never run a school system before? >> never run a school before that. is why people thought i was a nut. i was a 37-year-old girl from ohio. >> people said what? who? >> yes. people said he's lost his mind. >> her friends said she'd lost hers. >> i have two kids, nine, 12. i put them in the washington, d.c. schools. >> schools were a disaster. test results the worst in america. >> she learned only 8% of the kids were at grade level there is something odd about how the teachers were acting. >> i did a performance evaluation how are the teachers doing? i found 95% of the adults were being rated.

and breakdown for kids what we're producing is 8% success. >> she saw empty classrooms. >> i walk into the school and go to the first classroom. five kids in the classroom. second classroom, nine kids, three kids, seven kids. so i get to the classroom i asked a teacher i said... where are the kids? and she said well, it's friday. and i thought, i couldn't believe that was the answer. i said is that all? she said no. i thought great. she's going to tell me they're on a field trip. she said it's raining too. >> it turned out not every classroom was down, attendance varied by teacher. >> i'm finishing the visit. in one classroom there are 30 kids in the classroom. there are not enough desks for

the kids. so i go up to one of the kids and i said who is your best teacher? he said this is my best teacher. i was leaving the school at 10:00 in the morning that young man and two friends were walking out of the school. i tapped them on the shoulder and said what is it you're doing? they said well our first period teacher is great. we came to school. our second period teacher not good so we're going to roll. i thought... this is not the picture that the american public have in their minds of trueants. these children were making a decision to wake up early and come to school for first period they knew they're going to get something out of it. after z.leave after that because they weren't going to get something out of it. >> this great teacher gets paid no more than other teacher autos right. they were doing seniority based layoff autos she decided

she'd pay good teacher morz and fire bad teacher autos that did not go over well. >> and i was visited by my then general counsel comes rushing in and says you've got to stop firing people. i said why? people are not doing the jobs they're supposed to be doing. we need to move them out. he said welcome to washington, d.c. public schools, we never fire anyone. >> but we did fire. >> we did. >> she found a 90 day loophole let her close some lousy schools and fire some teachers. >> there is a fire storm surrounding the future. >> 30 principals being terminated. >> and there is a plan, a plot, she took the job to get rid of people who have been around who have tenure. >> firing 204,000 teachers closing 15% of the schools.

fired your daughter's principal. >> that was a chilly night at home. >> she's upset, family, community, students and teachers. a lot of people got fired because they zeefshed to be fired. the system needs change. many of those thought she needed to be fired. >> people hated you. hate you, still. >> yes. yeah. and they called me draggon lady. teacher terminator. >> big, bad watch. "time" put you on a cover with a broom. >> i took the broom to mean sweeping house. >> and some didn't want the house swept. and saying the teachers needed a second chance. >> we had some union teachers just lousy. we need to lift up the low performers and help them do better. >> not justifier them? >> not for you?.

>> there is a cost. quality of life. of that person. >> so nobody should be ever fired?. >> well, what we should do is help people improve their skill autos people would say to me if a teacher is not effective talk about spending the time and effort to develop that person, right? i'd say okay but whose children are we going to put in that classroom? >> who are you go owing to practice on. and say it didn't work out, sorry. you only get once chance at first grade. >> i made the decision by quality. and instead of seniority. and this really upset the people who were protesting. >> this is just common sense. >> to you and me. but it was absolute counter to

what the district had done. it's the way unions operate. right? seniority. >> the young teachers don't get mad. >> forget young teachers. it's cheating the kids. >> test scores went up when she was chancellor but in the end the unions won. >> get her out. >> they're going fire you?. >> we have to be there every day, we will. >> the mayor was voted down. when he lost, she went before she was fired. >> she becomes a casualty of washington, d.c. politics. >> so she lost in washington, d.c. but elsewhere all sorts of new schools are succeeding. and many citing things are happening. >> i say time, money, and i voice frustration. >> picking a wireless network

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people try to start charter schools think bureaucrats make it hard and that is why they're aren't enough charters yet. there is a market. except for one town most kids now attend charters. how did that happen? >> hurricane katrina on track to make a direct hit on the low-lying city of new orleans it happened because of a hurricane. >> all eyes on new orleans. >> this area will be underwater.

>> mother nature is in charge. >> when hurricane katrina flooded new orleans it destroyed the school system. some schools thought maybe that is what needed to happen. >> probably one of the worst school districts in the country ai. horror. >> before hurricane katrina i was a fail. >> you rebuild there? or build something new. >> louiana built something new. they made it easy for people to open charters. >> saying here is the plan. >> ben start aid charter school. >> we have control over the quality of instruction. >> and in 2008 he was the only employee, drove his car around new orleans until 3:00 in the morning put be up signs.

>> this number here? that is my cell phone. >> he had to, because students had to choose to go there. >> they didn't just get sent here. >> we're putting these up everywhere. >> he went to houses to recruit. >> we never had that. >> her son goes to sci. >> i came here and talked to me z talked to ricky and explaining to him about the hours and academics and stuff. >> in school, only a third of the students who are proficient on state tests. >> i know half of them didn't know how to read. >> now, sci's test results are among the best in the city. the school itself is just a bunch of trailer autos there is a plan to have a permanent building but if you walk into the school and the first thing they tell you are the facilities that is probably not the right path. >> how did they do it?

well, the principal can fire at will. >> yes. yes. >> sharon clark runs another new orleans chart skbrer she, too, fires teachers. >> i call it freeing up a teacher. >> it allows parents to fire a school. if they don't like the school they can send their kid to another, sharon needs to work hard because she worries about losing her turf. >> yes. every day. >> good morning class of 2013. >> that competition drives schools to dry different things like this morning ritual at sci academy. >> what are you? why are you here? >> it seems cult like and some didn't take it seriously. >> this is a major difference, he's become more responsible.

thinking. >> and i didn't like the school at first. as i went to school i started to see how important it was. >> now, his mother is getting ready to start college so he tutored her for a test. >> this is how it should have been before hurricane katrina. >> this goes from one employee into another school that is so popular it holds a lottery to decide who gets in. >> there is going to be a waiting list of 200 students long. >> as you saw in harlem, nervous kids sat and hoping their names would be called. some go away happy. and most do not. >> goes to show... this kind of school is needed in this city z this kind of education is what we need to be offering every family.

>> today, most kids in new orleans attend charter schools and test scores across the city are better. >> many greatest cities in the world have been reborn amid crisis. chicago fire, san francisco earthquake. resulted in a much more dynamic, safer city. the fire of london resulted in a much-greater capitol emerging. people in new orleans are rebuilding the city for the better and it will never go back. >> and next, more good news, it's this time from the internet. how excited these kids are about math.

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to your kids have a good teacher? how do you know? is the teacher next door better? maybe in another state? maybe there there are several. won't be it be great if your kid could have that teacher? well, today, yes, you can. these kids are excited about a math quiz. >> it's amazing. >> and we are done. >> and this hedge fund animalla lift creates individual yeses like these. >> so then i started tutoring her cousins and the rest. and over and over again, a friend said why don't you put

some of yours on to? >> and i started to get letters from people. and comments, they're not like i think this is helping on the math exam they're like i failed and started watching videos now, i'm acing the class he got letters from the middle east. >> this is amazing. >> now, he offers web lectures on everything from history, economics and computer science and viewed millions of times. >> if i get hit by a bus god for bid they'll still be able to read it you happen to be good at teach something. >> well... >> he's a great teacher. >> i hope that helps.

>> he's helping us learn. >> it's exciting he gets kids excited about math. most parts of life things have gotten better. cars, phones. education, not so much. >> right. and in 80, 90, 100 years, if there was a local band, that was the only one in foun. >> and record it, put it out on radio, records. whatever. i think that could have happened with education before. but for basic math most thought they'd be in video games. >> yes. >> and there is a is a blog.

i think what is fun from our point of view is that we're able to reach students outside of the blog. >> california school districts are using the videos in fifth grade classrooms and now they're impressed. >> and they're excited about math. >> and we assume most people don't want to do or learn or get engaged in math. >> and this is most of them in classrooms that are not indicatoring to them. >> first, teachers worry the instruction could replace them, but... >> this is so wrong as teachers can tell you they've taught more math than ever before. >> now, they can tutor kids one on one. >> and because they can go at

their own pace... some enjoy it so much, they study at home. >> two, three hours per night at home. and when i go home, it's way more fun. >> now, kids being bored in school is over? >> there is if it happens it will be thanks to online classes or other experiment that's break out of a union dominated monday nop pally. let a thousand flowers bloom. it's competition for technology. everything. don't our kids deserve that, too? that is our show. i'm john stossel. thanks for watching. car insuran.

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