>> if i went out right now and shot and killed somebody and there was no evidence on me that my life was in danger, i don't care how good my story was, they would tell me tell it to the judge. for over 40 days we have been polite. for over 40 days we have been diplomatic. for over 40 days we played by your rules. but its time for us to kick it up a notch! >> this is a fox news alert. i'm geraldo. a couple more thousand rallied this afternoon in miami's bay town park in support of trayvon martin. the teenager shot and killed by george zimmerman, the 28-year-old neighborhood watch captain whose arrest now seems inevitable, if not imminent. >> trayvon martin was an

american. trayvon martin was a person who all of the noble greatest ideas applies to. when he speak of the declaration of independents, liberty and justice for all in the pledge of allegiance, that applies to trayvon martin. >> the legal reasons zimmerman will likely be indicted soon is the claim by forensic experts hired that to a scientific certainty they believe the force screaming for help on the deadly encounter belongs to the dead teenager, not to the shooter. in other words it was trayvon screaming for help, not zimmerman as previously claimed. if that analysis is confirmed by prosecutors, it would be powerful evidence against zimmerman's claim of self-defense and an indictment for at least involuntary manslaughter would soon follow. a step that perhaps brings some

mesh you shall of comfort to trayvon's grieving family, but let them speak for themselves. his mother and father join me live from miami. welcome both of you. thank you for coming on and, please, this is the first time i've spoken to you. accept my condolences for your awful loss. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> you must, sabrina, take some comfort in the fact that the scientists now agree with you that the 911 tape, the voice is that of your son, it's trayvon, not george zimmerman as previously claimed? >> yes, i do. i'm almost certain that they agreed with the same thing that i heard. so i was glad to hear the experts have agreed with what i had said already. >> and do you take heart in the fact that so many people, tracy, are supporting you?

>> yeah. it's warming to my heart to know that there are a lot of people out there that is in support of us, and that will continue to support us until we have justice for trayvon. >> do you worry at all, tracy, that this case has divided the nation with black people overwhelmingly on one side and many, many white people on the other? >> i don't look at it like that at all. this isn't a race issue. this is an issue about what is right and what is wrong. >> sabrina, are you comfortable now that the state will indeed indict george zimmerman? do you think that that is now, as i believe, inevitable? >> yes, i do. i just truly believe that they are still investigating, but things are being leaked out, and i believe he's going to be arrested very soon. >> what kind of young man was

trayvon? was he a confrontational type person, sabrina? >> no, he was not. trayvon was very friendly. trayvon was very loveable. he was very respectful, and he loved little kids. >> and yet, tracy, a lot was made before the evidence of the video showing zimmerman had no serious injuries, and the 911 tape analysis, a lot was made earlier in the week that your son was thrown out of school multiple times. was he a violent or aggressive person? had he ever been arrested? >> never been arrested. anything he was suspended for most certainly wasn't violence. in fact, he was a total opposite of what they tried to portray him as. >> tell me what he was in real life. >> in real life he was my hero. at the age of 9 years old trayvon pulled me out of a burning fire.

he saved my life. and for me not to be there for him in his time of need is really troubling to me. >> and sabrina, adding insult to injury, the fact that he stayed a john doe in the morgue for 36 hours, was it, that must be kind of -- as a mother, a horrible thing for you to ponder? >> yes. it bothered us a great deal because we wanted the body bag home. we didn't want him to stay at the medical examiner's. tracy identified his body the very next day. however, due to different legalities, they were not able to identify him at the medical examiners, which led us to wait a few days before we actually got the body bag and able to see him. >> did you feel a huge sense of frustration, sabrina, that they didn't arrest george zimmerman on the spot?

>> that part outraged me. i was very upset that the person that murdered my son was not arrested. i truly believed that he would have been arrested on the scene if the sanford police department had done their job they would have arrested him at the scene and let the judge decide if he was guilty or innocent. >> a week ago i ranted against hoodies like the won worn by trayvon on the evening he was shot dead by george zimmerman because in zimmerman's words, trayvon looked like he was up to no good. i said then that trayvon's hoody killed him as surely as george zimmerman did. what i was trying to do was caution parents allowing kids to wear hoodies and in certain circumstances, particularly if they were minority young men was dangerous. but he never intended to hurt feelings and i never intended to hurt your feelings. i want to personally convey my

deepest apologies to both of you. i am sorry, tracy, if anything i said added to your misery. >> thank you for the apology. your apology is accepted. let me just add one thing with the wearing of the hoody. i don't think america knows that in fact at the time of the incident when he initially made the call, it was raining. so trayvon had every right to have on his hood. he was protecting himself from the rain. so being a suspicious walking in the rain with your hoody on is a crime, then i guess the world is doing something wrong. >> i hear that. thank you for accepting my apology. on monday attorney ben krump, who is with tracy and sabrina right now, let's take a look at ben there, he will be asking the justice to probe why the local

prosecutor overruled cops who wanted to arrest zimmerman on the night trayvon was shot. ben, tell us why you are confident that the justice department will do something about that. >> well we are going to request it, geraldo. certainly it should be looked into on behalf of sabrina and tracy because the lead detective heard george zimmerman's version what have happened, his claim of self-defense. he was able to examine and evaluate the evidence on the scene there. he was able to see zimmerman's alleged injuries, and he made the decision that he recommended an arrest for manslaughter because in his words, and this is most important, geraldo, he said that george zimmerman's version was not credible. and then you have a state attorney, for whatever reason that night, drove over 50 miles

to come to the smallest county in his circuit and meet with the police chief, and we don't know who else was there. we don't know if george zimmerman's father and other family members was there, but for whatever reason they did something that seems illogical. they told the lead investigator, the person who is trained, the person who has experience doing this day in and day out, that they reject his recommendation and they decided to let george zimmerman go free that night while trayvon went to the medical examiner's office, even though he was unarmed with a bag of skittles and a can of arizona ice tea. >> sabrina, that must be almost like a double crime against your soul, isn't it? >> yes, it is. it bothers me a great deal. >> do you worry, though, tracy, that by -- you have nothing to do with it, but the fact that the black panthers have been

involved saying there's a bounty on george zimmerman's head, that this will turn people against your son's cause? >> first and foremost, me and my family, as well as my attorneys, are promoting nonviolence in this issue. we just want a peaceful resolution. we are promoting peace. we aren't responsible for anybody's actions. for the most part we are look for a peaceful resolution. >> geraldo, we don't condone that in any way. the only people we want to make an arrest is the lawful authorities. we do not, for the record, acquiesce or suggest anybody, black panthers or anybody, try to take the law into their own

hands because then we will be guilty of what we are saying george zimmerman did that night. we are taking the morale high ground. >> ben crump, thank you. sabrina and tracy, again, our condolences to you. you seem very fine people. our con dole lens that is this awful thing happened to you, and i hope justice is served. i thank you very much for coming on the program tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you, geraldo. >> up next we hear from trayvon's stepbrother and the woman in whose apartment the teenager was staying when he left to buy skittles and ice tea. and ann coulter and others join the conversation. e -- available now on the all-new 2013 lexus gs. there's no going back. see your lexus dealer.

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right? >> yes. he was a good brother. he was nice. he was cool. he was nice hanging around with. >> trayvon martin was staying with his father, tracecy martin. >> tracy's son and girlfriend were there the weekend ever february 26th. trayvon, who turned 17 a month earlier, was like a big brother to chad. they were about to watch the nba all-star game together. >> he was board and he wanted to go to the store. he wanted a snack. >> so what did he say to you? >> he asked me what i wanted. >> what did you want? >> skittles. >> so he was getting you skittles? >> yes. >> tracy, the dad, and brandy had gone out to dinner downtown orlando. >> tell me about this community. is it a high crime community? is it something that you would have to be concerned about the boys going outside? >> no. not at all. i've been here for four years and never heard of any crime or

anything going on. >> ironically brandy moved here from downtown orlando to provide a safer environment for her 14-year-old son. trayvon was visiting at his dad's insistence to get him away from miami after a third suspension from school. this time for possession of a bag with traces of marijuana. >> it was a quiet neighborhood, peaceful. that's why i moved here. >> now apparently zimmerman told police that the reason he was out on patrol was because there had been a rash of threats in this community. did you hear about that? >> i haven't heard anything about that. don't know -- no knowledge of that. >> so you don't believe that? >> no, i don't. >> 28-year-old george zimmerman, a zealous neighborhood watch captain who pestered police with a rash of 911 calls, frequently complained of children habitually playing in the streets and four of six calls

zimmerman described a suspicious young black man. >> it was as rainy day like today when george zimmerman spotted trayvon martin walk through this townhouse complex. it was right at this intersection that george zimmerman followed trayvon along this path that he said was going behind people's property. >> the walks are behind the buildings. that's the walk area where you can squawk they walk their dogs. but there's no sidewalks around the front for you to walk on the sidewalk so you have no other place to walk but in the grass. >> on february 16 when he called 911 reporting a suspicious people walk behind people's propertybut as you see, this is a public walkway which leads to tracy martin's girlfriend's apartment right here. >> 911, do you need police for a medical. >> maybe both i'm not sure.

there was someone screaming outside. >> you don't know why? >> i don't know why. i think they are yelling help but i don't know. send someone quick. >> do you think he's yelling help? >> yes. >> i feel very guilty about it just because you know as a mother you want to protect your child and i have always protected mine and anyone else, anybody else's child that ever came into my home. and for me not to be able to protect trayvon at that time, and it happened here where i live is heartbreaking. even though he's not my son, he was like a son to me. i spoke with him all the time. i talked to him. we had a good boy. we did. i fell in love with him the first time i met him. >> what do you think you have learned by trayvon's death? >> not to be racist. >> not to judge everyone by what

they look like? >> yes. >> tell me about the impact on your son. >> he just don't know why, why it happened and, you know, why they are saying all these things about trayvon when that's not who he was, that's not the person that he knows, that's not the person that i know, you know. so he is just confused, as well as i am. >> all right. i'll speak with craig on the other side of the commercial break. there is another side to this story. you will hear from supporters of george zimmerman also when we come back. [ todd ] hello? hello todd. just calling to let you know

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think injustice was done not case of trayvon martin but there are voices argue against rushing to judgment. before he get to those voices i want to ask craig about the neighborhood, the retreat at twin lakes. is that an overwhelmingly white neighborhood? what kind of racial mix is that neighborhood? how unusual was it to have a black youngster walking around? >> not unusual at all, geraldo. it's like most of sanford. sanford is predominantly white but also a large population of black citizens who live there. it's a clean, quiet community. it's about 30% black families, i believe. and i believe when we were there we noticed a number of families on the same block that brandy lives on. it's also a gate the community. you need a car key in order to go through the gate. trayvon was -- made his way through the complex, through the gates, was walking purpose usually toward brandy's apartment when he was approached

by zimmerman, which is what people don't understand. he belonged there. he was just 20 yards away from brandy's home when his life was lost. >> craig, thank you. it was a nice interview with brandy. all right. my next guest, former naacp chapter presidency, brian, and dr. king, our late -- late uncle martin luther king. welcome both to you. dr. king, so what do you think about all the demonstrations, the manifest indications, al sharpton, jesse jackson, what is your view of what is going on here? >> geraldo, i want to thank you for your coverage of this american tragedy, and america's youth are an endangered species, and african-american youth much loved by his family in his community.

i commend his parents, tracy and sabrina, and all of his family community for taking the approach of we want justice, and they deserve justice, they deserve justice now, but to seek it in a peaceful, nonviolent manner. i believe my uncle, dr. martin luther king, jr. and if he could meet them he would commend them for their spirit in this matter. it is an injustice. it's very clear, i agree with sabrina and tracy that it has been an injustice and it has been very apparent and justice must prevail. always tempering justice with mercy. that doesn't mean that mr. zimmerman should not be prosecuted in the event that the evidence, as it continues to come in, points to the fact that justice must prevail. but i believe that the reason, the calmness, the please, people, let's not take this into

our own hands, as his father has said, that we seek to try this in the public arena, we are doing nothing different than what mr. zimmerman did to my son. i grief with the zimmerman family, as well, because they are going to lose their family member. he made some decisions that weren't good and that's going to be very unfortunate for him. but trayvon is dead and his family needs justice. >> stand by. mr. bryant, you are next and ann coulter is here. we will be right back. unlike rdy. dolr for dollar, nobody protects you like allstate. my first car was shared

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>> live from news headquarters, i'm laura green. rick santorum says he will stay in the race even if he loses tuesday's wisconsin primary. former pennsylvania senator saying he doesn't feel a long primary fight will hurry the parties' answers against president obama in november. frontrunner mitt romney is ahead in the policy heading into the tuesday's primaries in wisconsin, maryland and the district of columbia. a coalition of at least 70 countries, including the united states, pledging millions of dollars and communication equipment to syria's opposition groups. news of the aid coming as rebels strongholds in the city of homs are she would. more than two dozen people have been killed there. the violence flaring as the syrian government continues to defy demands for a cease fire. now back to geraldo at large.

>> let's hear from two supporters of george zimmerman. the first is the second speaker, anthony. >> i believe the profiling is preposterous. it has nothing to do with color with george. people made it out to be -- i think it's very despicable on both ends. the media has made trayvon out to be some young weed smoking gangster and george as a person who wants to go out and kill black people. that's not george. >> so you believe george is being unjustly accused here? >> well, i mean, you yourself used the vigilante justice. how do you explain the reaction to what's going on out there right now? how do you explain a $10,000 bounty on half the information? and what makes that boundty no better than the vigilante they

claim george is? >> joining bryant and king is constitutional lawyer and best selling author ann coulter. but you first, mr. bryant. we haven't heard from you on the sharpton jackson phenomenon. >> the parents. trayvon martin were a shining example of grace under fire in adverse situations. and i want to say this. their statements, along with their attorney, i hope does send a very strong message to those who would have turned this into a racist or racial circus. i hope this is also a moment where we can learn that the clock does not have to be turned back because one like george zimmerman takes the law into his hands, and then ruins the life of a family and, of course, takes the life of a young man. justice will be served.

but let us be certain to look at the broader picture, that young black men in this country are killing each other in epidemic numbers, and that is the main problem that we must focus on as americans now. and i hope that this is a time where the pain and the loss of trayvon martin will be a bridge that can help us all overcome the racial adversities. >> but hold on a second. former president of the local ncaap, are you backing down on your statements that reverend jackson and them are race hustlers? >> no, i'm not backing down on that. in order to -- the very fact that this kid's death is alikenned on to the hallowed name of emmit tild and people

like him in the civil movement tharpe lost to us, is evidence that there was purpose in trying to evoke racial passion. so, no, i don't back down on that. that is exactly what they were trying to do. but these parents did, in fact, send a strong message that they want the no part of it. >> i agree. i thought the parents were wonderful. but ann, where do you fall on this? isn't it sad that most white people believe george zimmerman's account and most black people believe that trayvon martin was an innocent who was victimized? >> i don't know that they do. consistent with what you are saying, the parents and everyone's heart goes out to them. normally it's the parents you expect to be hysterical and demanding vigilante justice. no, they are being calm, moderate and reasonable, and it is the race hustlers that are

being hysterical on having this vigilante justice and the mob. there's a reason we have a judicial system in this country. there is a careful collection of evidence, it is a crime to lie to the police, it is a crime to lie to the grand jury. the evidence is heard by grand jury or, by the police to begin with and the prosecutor who originally decided not to bring charges. i don't think white people are believing george zimmerman, i think they are saying we don't believe msnbc and cnn hosts. and they edited the 911 call that george zimmerman made. he never mentioned race. he gave like seven or five reasons he thought this person was behaving suspiciously. it's raining and he isn't walking in a purpose us full way, he's going back and forth, i don't recognize him. i forget what the various other reasons are. >> he's up to no good. >> the 911 operator asks george zimmerman what race is he and at that point he says black. according to george zimmerman

says, according to msnbc they said he looks suspicious. >> can you give us a brief summary here? i would love to hear from you finally. >> well, when reverend jesse jackson said there's power in the blood of emmit, tild, there's power in the blood of martin luther king and power in the blood of trayvon martin, i keep saying right in this easter season there's power in the blood of jesus christ, and i asked reverend jackson and reverend sharpton, and the black panthers, not to stir up emotions but to follow lead of the parents and their dignity. they are saying give us justice for our son, and that should be our focus. >> a ladies and gentlemen, i think that every speaker, every speaker is exactly reflected my own feeling on how the parents did throughout this ordeal but i think tonight especially they were so noble and reasonable.

i want to thank you. i have to move on. i will turn to the fate of obamacare that seems to be on life support after three days of intense argument in the supreme court. if the questioning by the justices is any indication, then the landmark legislation is going to be found unconstitutional by the same tight 5-4 vote that decided the 2000 bush v gore election and the citizens united case, the one that opened up the elections to the super pac money. >> you want to call it obamacare, that's okay, because i do care. that's why we passed it. >> we are begging the federal government to please leave us a shred of freedom. please. don't make us pie a product that we don't want to buy. is that asking too much? >> could you define the market? >> everybody has to buy food sooner or later so you define the market as food. therefore, everybody is in the market. therefore you can make people buy broccoli. >> you hear the government is

say,,,ed" federal government has a duty to tell individual sit sentence it must compact that is different than what we've had in previous cases. that changes the relationship of the federal government to the individual in a very fundamental way. >> so that's justice kennedy. he was going to be the fifth vote, the swing vote. so it's clear that he is siding with those who believe the law to be unconstitutional, at least the tenure of everything he said in open court suggests that. here to say whether the courts now is expecting an overruling of obamacare is a good or bad thing for the country, is a congressman from texas and dr. brown of georgia and betsy mccoy, the author of decoding the obama health you law, and ann stays with us, the constitutional law attorney here in our studio. governor, let me start with you. so are you -- are you elated? >> well, the oral arguments can be misleading, but it does appear that this law is going to

be struck down. >> she's holding it up. can you hold it higher? >> well, it shows you how big it is, justice scalia said the law would be cruel and unusual punishment, the violation of the eighth amendment, with one reason they will probably strike down the entire law rather than severe out a man date. but you said you were betting on a 5-4 decision but it may be a 6-3, the gents versus the ladies. but not one of the women justices during the arguments voiced any concern at all about preserving liberty and the freedom of the individual. in fact, at one point justice sandra said our lives are increasingly investigated by government, and some will rant about it. >> representative, are you beyond depressed? >> no, no.

certainly not. i'm an attorney and i have seen different types of arguments and questions that judges have made throughout any particular type of case. and i will tell you that, you know, this is -- when they focus on the man date, keep in mind that this is an idea that the conserve tore republicans brought up years ago. look at the romneycare that we have out there, look at the heritage foundation that brought up this idea, and other folks that supported this. even president nixon. now, because of different dynamics, people are against it. but i still feel if they look at prior precedents, and if you look at not only that but look at the controversy that medicare was brought up under, when it was first brought up and look at social security, all those were controversial. and let's look at where we are right now. they are working pretty well, with some reform that we certainly immediate to make on them. >> dr. brown, congressman brown,

do you believe -- i retract that. 2700 pages, lieutenant-governor mccoy showed us, do you have an option and how long is it? >> well, geraldo, i have my patient option act which is a comprehensive healthcare reform. it repeels obamacare and replaces it with something that makes sense that will make healthcare affordable for everyone. it will provide coverage for all americans and it will save medicare from going broke. hopefully the court will throw out the obamacare because it's blatantly unconstitutional. >> how long is it? >> 51 pages. >> 51 pages? >> that's right. and hold it -- what about the people without health insurance. >> we help cover them in many ways. one, we lower the cost of healthcare so people who want to buy healthcare and can't afford it today will be able to do so. they can do so because they can

buy healthcare across state lines. we will stop the monopoly that the insurance companies have. individuals, as well as businesses, can join an association and have multiple insurance products that they can buy that suit their family, not something mandated by the government bureaucrats and the politician necessary washington. it makes all healthcare expenses 100% tax-deductible for everybody in this country. >> that's a good idea. >> well, the unique thing it does, it gives doctors a tax credit for seeing patients that cannot afford to pay them. >> i have to take a break on that note. let me take a break. ann is next. come back. i also want to talk about what happens, you know, a lot of obamacare is already in place. what happens if it law is declared unconstitutional. what happens to the 25-year-old kids or the person with pre-existing conditions? having one of those days?

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problem that's already heavily socialized. the government creates these problems and says, i know we will fix it by socializing the whole thing. no, allow the magic of the free market to act. when you do that there will be a variety of health insurance programs you can get, including, i promise you, for pre-existing conditions for your unborn children. it will be cheap for 20-year-old kids to get insurance. >> and, of course, many, many people say what happens to this provision or that provision that i like, keeping my kid on my plan until they are 26. the fact is any of these improvements can be legislated separately. they don't have to be part of this 2,572-page monstrosity. >> they don't even have to be legislated. just let insurance companies offer it. >> absolutely. i agree with that wholeheartedly. >> and on the state level as well. but if the law is declared unconstitutional, there will be several ramifications. number one, when the constitution prevails we are all

winners. number two, it will send a very clear message to the president in these united states the rule of law is king, not mr. obama. >> let me ask the two congressmen, isn't it possible, henry and congressman dr. brown, that this will politically play in the president's favor because some of these nice provisions will be gone? congressman brown, you first. >> let me answer the question about pre-existing conditions. my patient option act takes care of that by giving people a whole lot less expensive insurance that you can bye. we will have the association pools so you will have huge pools all across the country. and in my tax breaks for doctors, i'm a physician and i know that doctors will treat people with pre-existing conditions if we give them some incentive to do so and giving them a tax break will do exactly that. now this is blatantly unconstitutional. never before in the history of this nation has the federal

government required anybody to buy something whether you want it or not and hopefully the supreme court will see that. we need to rip it out by the roots and replace it with something that will lower the cost of healthcare and my patient option act will do that, it will lower the cost for everybody and that's exactly what we need to do, give patients options so they can buy the health insurance they need to. >> i hear you. quick, congressman. >> if you looking to arguments tharpe brought up when social security was passed and medicare, a lot of these arguments were brought you have years ago. i wish we could do this in a bipartisan way and i'm willing to work with my doctor friend, we are good friends. but right now congress can't even pass bipartisan bills like the highway bills and other bills. again, if we could sit down in an ideal world and sit down with democrats and republicans we could address a lot of these issues. >> i'm so sorry, i'm out of time. we will continue this discussion, i am sure. i want to thank all of my guests. nancy pelosi's daughter,

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>> you and i have watch the supreme court for a lot of years. no one has made money betting on outcome of cases based on oral arguments and the questions asked. we think the mandate and the law is constitutional. we think the court had rule that way. what this is really about is the republican alternative, which is what? they are going to continue to, no matter what the supreme court says, to go after trying to eliminate or to strangle this law. in the meantime all those folks i mentioned before, all those folks that are benefiting now, up a those people that are about to benefit as more kicks in this 2014, they are in real trouble and this is about them.

i don't know what the alternative is they are offering. >> it will be a decentralized market based system. everybody has access, including those with pre-existing conditions and we can do it in a way that doesn't involve a costly take over. it doesn't involve the government taking over and running the healthcare industry. the former speaker of the house nancy pelosi, and the spokesman from the administration, keeping their hopes up. christine has her own reasons the mandate is constitutional. actually there was a version of in this the last election, it's coming out again, campaign boot camp 2.0. nice to see you, christine. >> thanks for having me. >> why do you think it's constitutional? >> ever since our founders created the mandate for private maritime sea men to purchase insurance signed by president john adams there's been a history in this country for people taking personal responsibility. i believe the heritage foundation thought it was

constitutional when they proposed it. mitt romney thought it was constitutional when he mandated it and i believe it will be upheld 6-3. >> i'm betting it will be overruled unconstitution 5-4. but it's like reading tea leaves sometimes. but i think the impair cal evidence favors my prediction over yours. but who knows these days. now, what will happen politically if it is stricken as unconstitutional? who do you think benefits and who, you know, holds the short end of the stick? >> if you are right, geraldo, and it's a 5-4 decision based on talking points from extremists, then obviously the court is going to cement the reputation it doled for itself in bush versus gore and political united, it's a purely political site. but i don't believe you would lose the other protections for pre-existing condition. if you are a kid with asthma you

need coverage. we need to make sure kids are covered and pregnancy and motherhood are no longer pre-existing conditions. >> i grant you on the, you know, the obvious need of children withing asthma and pregnant women with medical care but aim not asking a medical question, i'm asking a political question. who benefits politically in the november election if the supreme court does overrule this or throw it out as unconstitutional. >> i think the voters are the ones that lose. the voters will be angry to see politics at play. one of the things i talk about in my book is the fact that people have to act on their values. there are a lot of pro gross i was out there, myself included, we would prefer a government take over of healthcare. that's not what this bill is. that's why i think it will be ruled unconstitutional. if it is not the democrats benefit because you will have people angry they are losing their healthcare and they are going to want it back. >> you think president obama ironically with a stringing

defeat would ultimately be the winner? for him to lose to the roberts court, for him to lose to the right winning that selected bush over gore, that disagreed with him and said corporations are people, i think he wins on healthcare either way. >> christine please circumstance her book campaign boot cam 2.0. that's it for us. thank you for watching. see us on social media and the radio. have a great week. good night. thank you very much. every-night budget. she thought allstate car insurance was out of her reach. until she heard about the value plan. dollar for dollar, nobody protects you like allstate. chocolate lemonade ?

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