right now. megyn: fox news alert, stunning new details just in on the gunman accused in a murderous rampage at a tiny christian university. welcome to "america live," everyone, i'm megyn kelly. police say it all started when the former student names one goh showed up on the oakland, california, campus. he was intent on tracking down a female administrator at the school, but when he discovered she was not there, police say he went through the entire building, quote, systematically and randomly shooting his victims, even telling some of them to line up against a wall. he was upset at how he had been treated at the school, apparently having been teased about his english skills. when it all ended, seven people were dead, three more injured. the suspect was in custody, and here is just some of the reaction now from the scene. >> it's like sometime you hear this firework, it goes boom, boom, you know, something like that. three or four times i hear that.

if i didn't lock the door, i think we might be dead today. i just hear her noise. she was asking for help again and again, like, there was nothing we could do about that thing. >> some bodies out of the building. i saw they carried a body out, and they put a blanket over it. and they carried other bodies out, and you couldn't tell if they were alive or not. megyn: trace gallagher has more. >> reporter: and police now say because he could not target that school administrator, instead he grabbed a secretary at gunpoint, and he walked that secretary into that act chew puncture class room, and that's when he told everyone to line up against the black board. some did. others did not, and that's when police say he opened fire, began shooting and turning around and around as he shot. here, now, is the brother of one of the victims. listen. >> he grabbed the lady that does the filing and brought her and said everybody get against the board, and when nobody did, he

started shooting at everybody, and they just scattered from there. >> reporter: they scattered. police say that's when the shooter left the classroom, he reloaded, and he opened fire in the rest of the building. he found another classroom that was locked. he began pounding on the door. the students say they locked the door, turned out the lights and hid beneath the he's desks. the gunman then heard students calling 911, so he fled. he stole another student's car, and he drove to a nearby safeway supermarket. on the way he called his father and confessed. his father calls authorities. at the safeway, a security guard approached him and he said that, in fact, he needed to speak with police because he had just shot some people. here, now, is the police chief. >> in terms of the suspect's cooperation, i'm told that he's been very cooperative with us. hehe has not been particularly remorseful, but very cooperative. >> reporter: the victims range in age from 19 to 40 years old

except for the secretary, they were all students, and we have now learned that one goh was expelled because of behavioral problems. his brother, by the way, was in active military last year. he was killed in a car crash in virginia. he is now about to face charges sometime in the next 24-48 hours, megyn. megyn: why don't we have a picture of this guy yet, trace? >> reporter: that's a good question. we asked the same thing. they haven't released a picture of him yet. he has not been formally charged, and once he is, we expect that to come out. megyn: normally, they'll give you the mug shot. it's unusual. trace, thank you. lots of questions about the events leading up to this shooting and what might cause someone to snap like this. you know, we continue to try to make sense of these senseless situations, but it's because we all worry. we worry about our fellow americans, our children, our loved ones who have to go to school, who have to, we hope, go to college, and you don't want to have to worry about this kind of thing. unfortunately, it seems more and

more you do. coming up just a short time from now, we will hear from dr. alan lipman, and while you watch the show, read up on this case by going to our web site, foxnews.com, some new and troubling details are coming out about how these executions were carried out by the gunman. we'll get into it in just a bit, and you can find more on foxnews.com. well, from washington now we have new fallout from a jaw-dropping report forcing a senior government official out of her job. the head of the president's general services administration stepping down after it turned out her agency spent more than $800,000 of your money for a single conference with just 300 people attending. some of the expenses? $3200 for a mind reader, $6300 for a commemorative coin set and $75,000 on a training exercise to build a bicycle. who is this person, and how did she get to work under the

president and allow this to happen on her watch? fox business network's stu varney hosts "varney & company." stu, who is she, and who's gone with her? >> martha johnson ran the gsa until her resignation. she has the right politics, the right political connections and lots of experience in government. she does not come from a hard, cost-control, tough management, efficiency background. she worked for a long time at ben and jerry's where she was an executive recruiter. ben and jerry's is the ice cream company, a very liberal company, so martha johnson's politics were clearly identified early on. she worked for clinton/gore in '92, she worked in government until 2001. she went back to government in 2008 as part of the obama transition team, and she was confirmed to run the gsa in 2010, and she started running it then. you have to ask, is that the right background for someone running an organization of 12,000 employees and a $20

billion-a-year budget? politics, political connections and government experience, is that the right person for that job? megyn: well, and this organization had had trouble under the bush administration as well, and they were really hoping to have somebody run it who would restore it reputation, and now, you know, martha comes in, and i don't know whether it was martha's fault, i don't think any of us know yet because she before she resigned, she said, look, i'm at the helm, so i'm going to go, but before i go, i'm firing rocket peck, and -- robert peck, and i'm firing stephen leads, my top adviser. are those the two guys that actually signed off on this trip that used taxpayer money to pay for a clown and the mind reader and the $75,000 bicycle-building exercise? >> robert peck, whose picture was just on the screen there, robert peck, he was the man who held a party in his suite at the las vegas junket. he spent $2,000 on that party x that included -- and that included the $19 per-person

cheese display. megyn: cheese is expensive, stu, i don't know if you've spent any time at the grocery store lately, but a hunk of kraft not what it used to to be. >> reporter: you are right, megyn, but that's an awful lot of money to be spending on a party. rocket peck was a volunteer for bill clinton in 1992, he spent his life on government boards and in academia, so that's his background. again, you have to ask is that the right background for a man in that kind of position running such a huge organization at a time when these kind of junkets were very much under scrutiny by the media. remember, the bankers who got fired for doing this? megyn: yeah. >> reporter: they should have known better. megyn: i think they should demand a refund from that fortune teller. i foresee you all getting your butts canned! what? okay. thanks, stu. >> reporter: you're welcome. megyn: new reaction this afternoon to the story that broke on this show yesterday

when president obama made some remarks that sounded like a warning to the u.s. supreme court. in response to a question about how the high court might rule on his health care overhaul law. the president said it would be unprecedented for the court to, quote, overturn the will of congress. >> for years what we've heard is the biggest problem on the bench was judicial activism or a lack of judicial restraint. that an unelected group of people would somehow overturn a duly-constituted and passed law. well, this is a good example, and i'm pretty can confident that this court will recognize that and not take that step. megyn: now there's a real question about whether the president accurately defines judicial activism there. it can come down to politics.

but gregg jarrett did some digging on the history of the high court and big rulings when it comes to congress and the laws that congress passes. gregg? >> reporter: you know, he's not right about this, and, in fact, here are 44 pages, megyn, filled with cases in which the supreme court struck down laws passed by congress that violate the constitutional rights of americans, indeed, contrary to what the president said yesterday. that's the primary duty of the high court, the very existence of its power. and they've done it more than 160 times beginning with the famous case of marbury v. madison, 1803. then-president thomas jefferson railed against the marbury decision making him the first president to actively criticize the u.s. supreme court. abraham lincoln vigorously disagreed with the infamous and regrettable dred scott decision which held that americans of african descent were not entitled to constitutional rights, they weren't citizens. but it was franklin roosevelt, angry that the high court struck

down some of his new deal programs, who tried to stack the court by adding justices making this promise: >> that i will appoint justices who will not undertake to override the judgment of the congress on legislative policy, that i will appoint justices who will act as justices and not as legislators. >> reporter: well, it didn't work. these days president obama seems to be making a habit of criticizing the supremes. he did it, of course, in his state of the union address two years ago right in front of six justices. >> last week the supreme court reversed a century of law that i believe will open the floodgates for special interests, including foreign corporations. [applause] to spend without limit in our elections. [applause]

>> reporter: remember that? sam alito mouthing the words "not true," shaking his head over the citizens united case. he felt the president had misrepresented their decision in the citizens united case. hey, you know, meg, i'm willing to bet you almost fell out of your chair yesterday when you heard the president say that. megyn: they've done it many times, although i confess, i wasn't in my chair. i was out with my kids. >> reporter: okay, you were standing up. megyn: really didn't care. [laughter] thanks, gregg. >> reporter: see you later. megyn: but we know you care, and we're going to discuss it, including these questions: was that a warning by the president to the high court, was it an attempt to blatantly influence the justices who are considering the case as some are claiming, and is the president getting ready to politicize this supreme court ruling if it does not go his way? we'll have a fair and balanced debate with jay and julian coming up on that. an american tv legend

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megyn: fox news alert, president obama just wrapping up comments moments ago at an associated press luncheon in washington. the president taking aim at republicans saying they are doubling down on failed economic policies. now the president is taking some questions from the audience. we want to jump in as he does that. >> so let's look at bowles-simpson. essentially, my differences with bowles-simpson were i actually proposed less revenue and slightly lower defense spending cuts. the republicans want to increase defense spending and take in no revenue which makes it impossible to balance the deficit under the terms that bowles-simpson laid out. unless you, essentially, eliminate discretionary spending. you don't just cut discretionary

spending. everything we think of as a being pretty important from education to basic science and research to transportation spending to national parks to environmental protection, we'd essentially have to eliminate. i guess another way of thinking about this is, and this bears on your reporting, i think that there is oftentimes the impulse to suggest that if two parties are disagreeing, then they're equally at fault, and the truth lies somewhere in the middle. and a equivalence is presented. which is, reinforces, i think, people's cynicism about washington generally. this is not one of those situations where there's an equivalence. i've got some of the most liberal democrats in congress

who are prepared to make significant changes to into it entitlements -- into it entitlements that go against their political interests and who said they were willing to do it. and we couldn't get a republican to stand up and say we'll raise some revenue or even to suggest that we won't give more tax cuts to people who don't need them. and so i think it's important to put the current debate in some historical context. it's not just true, by the way, of the budget. it's true of a lot of the debates that we're having out here. cap and trade was originally proposed by conservatives and republicans as a market-based solution to solving

environmental problems. the first president to talk about cap and trade was george h.w. bush. now you've got the other party essentially saying we shouldn't even be thinking about environmental protection. let's gut the epa. health care, which is in the news right now, there is a reason why there's a little bit of confusion in the republican primary about health care and the individual mandate since it originated as a conservative idea to preserve the private marketplace in health care while still assuring that everybody got coverage in contrast to a single-payer plan. now suddenly this is some socialist overreach. so as all of you are doing your reporting, i think it's important to remember that the

positions i'm taking now on the budget and a host of other issues, if we had been having this discussion 20 years ago or even 15 years ago, would have been considered squarely centrist positions. what's changed is the center of the republican party. and that's certainly true with the budget. >> mr. president, leadership on economic issues, it underscored the need for a lower deficit and lower debt. how can we respond to that -- [inaudible] >> well, look, she's absolutely right.

um, it's interesting when i travel around the world, these international and i've said before the degree to which america is still the one indispensable nation, the degree to which even as other countries are rising and their economies are expanding we are still looked to for leadership, for agenda setting. not just because of our size, not just because of our military power, but because there is a sense that unlike most superpowers in the past we try to set out a set of universal rules, a set of principles by which everybody can benefit. and that's true on the economic front as well. we continue to be the world's

largest market, an important engine for economic growth. we can't return to a time when by simply borrowing and consuming we end up driving global economic growth. i said this a few months after i was elected at the first g20 summit. i said the days when americans using their credit cards and home equity loans finance the rest of the world's growth by taking in imports from every place else, those days are over. on the other hand, we continue to be a extraordinarily important market and foundation for global economic growth. we do have to take care of our deficits. i think christine has spoken before, and i think most economists would argue as well that the challenge when it comes to our deficits is not short-term discretionary

spending which is manageable. as i said before and i want to repeat, as a percentage of our gdp our discretionary spending, all the things that the republicans are proposing cutting, is actually lower than it's been since dwight eisenhower. there has not been some massive expansion of social programs, programs that help the poor, environmental programs, education programs. that's not, that's not our problem. our problem is that our revenue has dropped down to between 15 and 16%, far lower than it has been historically, certainly far lower than it was under ronald reagan. at the same time as our health care costs have surged and our demographics mean that there's more and more pressure being placed on financing our medicare, medicaid and social security programs.

so at a time when the recovery is still gaining steam and unemployment is still very high, the solution should be pretty apparent. and that is even as we continue to make investments in growth today, for example, putting some of our construction workers back to work rebuilding schools and roads and bridges or helping states to rehire teachers at a time when schools are having a huge difficulty retaining quality teachers in the class room, all of which would benefit our economy. we focus on a long-term plan to stabilize our revenues at a responsible level and to deal with our health care programs in a responsible way.

and that's exactly what i'm proposing. what we've proposed is let's go back for folks who are making more than $250,000 a year to levels that were in place during the clinton era. when wealthy people were doing just fine, and the economy was growing a lot stronger than it did after they were cut. and let's take on medicare and medicaid in a serious way which is not just a matter of taking those costs off the books, off the federal books and pushing them on to individual seniors, but let's actually reduce health care costs because we spend more on health care with not as good outcomes as any other advanced developed nation on earth. and that would seem to be a science bl proposal.

sensible proposal. the problem right now is not the technical means to solve it, the problem is our politics. and that's part of what this election and what this debate will need to be about. is are we as a country willing to get back to common sense, balanced, fair solutions that encourage our long-term economic growth and stabilize our budget. and it can be done. one last point i want to make, dean, that i think is important. because it goes to the growth issue. if state and local government hiring were, basically, on par to what our current recovery -- on par to past recoveries, the unemployment rate would probably be about a point lower than it is right now. if the construction industry for

going through what we normally go through, that would be another point lower. the challenge we have right now, part of the challenge we have in terms of growth has to do with the very specific issues of huge cuts in state and local government, and the housing market's still recovering from this massive bubble. and that, these two things are huge headwinds in terms of growth. i say this because if we, for example, put some of those construction workers back to work or we put some of those teachers back in the classroom, that could actually help create the kind of virtuous cycle that would bring in more revenues just because of economic growth, would benefit the private sector in significant ways, and that could help contribute to deficit reduction in the short term even as we still have to do these

important changes to our health care programs oh the long -- over the long term. >> mr. president, you said yesterday it would be unprecedented for a supreme court to overturn laws passed by an elected congress. that is exactly what the court's done during its entire existence. if court were to overturn the individual mandate, what would you do or propose to do for the 30 million people who wouldn't have health care after that ruling? >> well, first of all, let me be very specific. um, we have not seen a court overturn a law that was passed by congress on a economic issue like health care. i think most people would

clearly consider it commerce. a law like that has not been overturned at least since lockner, right? so we're going back to the '30s, pre-new deal. um, and the point i was making is that the supreme court is the final say on our constitution and our laws, and all of us have to respect it. but it's precisely because of that extraordinary power that the court has traditionally exercised significant restraint in deference to our duly-elected legislature. our congress. and so the burden is on those

who would overturn a law like this. now, as i said, i expect the supreme court, actually, to, to recognize that and to abide by well established precedents out there. i have enormous confidence that in looking at this law not only is it constitutional, but that the court is going to exercise its jurisprudence carefully because of the profound power that our supreme court has. as a consequence, we're not spending a whole bunch of time planning for con contingencies. what i did emphasize yesterday is there is a human element to this that everybody has to remember. this is not an abstract exercise.

i get letters every day from people who are affected by the health care law right now even though it's not fully implemented. young people who are 24, 25 who say, you know what? i just got diagnosed with a tumor. first of all, i would have not gone to get a c c if if i hadn't had health insurance, second of all, i wouldn't have been able to afford to get it treated had i not been on my parents' plan, thank you and thank congress for getting this done. i get letters from folks who have just lost their job, their cobra's running out, they're in the middle of treatment for colon cancer or breast cancer, and they're worried when their cobra runs out if they're still sick, what are they going to do? because they're not going to be able to get hundreds. health insurance.

and the point, i think, that was made very ably before the supreme court, but i think most health care economists who have looked at this have acknowledged, is there are basically two ways to cover people with pre-existing conditions or assure that people can always get coverage even when they have bad illnesses. one way is a single-payer plan, everybody is under a single system like medicare. the other way is to set up a system in which you don't have people who are healthy but don't bother to get health insurance and then we all have to pay for 'em in the emergency room. that doesn't work, and so as a consequence, we've got to make sure that those folks are taking the responsibility seriously. which is what the individual mandate does.

so i don't anticipate the court striking this down. i think they take their responsibilities very seriously. um, but i think what's more important is for all of us, democrats and republicans, to recognize that in a country like ours, the wealthiest, most powerful country on earth, we shouldn't have a system in which millions of people are at risk of bankruptcy because they get sick. or end up waiting until they do get sick and then go to the emergency room which involves all of us paying for it. >> mr. president, you've been very, very generous with your time, and we appreciate you very much being here. >> thank you so much, everybody. [applause] thank you. [applause]

megyn: there you have it. president obama addressing an event with, a media event talking about a number of issues, going after the gop budget, saying that it's a prescription for decline, saying that the budget cuts that have been proposed by the prepalins are a -- proposed by the republicans are a trojan horse, talking about how some of his best ideas were really once republican ideas from cap and trade to the health care individual mandate and saying 15 years ago these would be wholly-centrist issues what's changed, in his view, the republican party. and finishing up, doubling down on his remarks yesterday which were rather controversial about the u.s. supreme court and what it would mean if it struck down his health care law, the individual mandate or the entire law. be -- the president suggesting we have not seen a court overturn a law that was passed by congress on an economic issue at least since the 1930s.

um, there is real doubt about whether that is true or not. i can tell you as a former practicing attorney myself, there was a case in 2000 called morrison, there was a case in 1995 calls lopez in which congress did try to pass legislation under the commerce clause. one law dealt with violence against women, created a civil remedy for women who were the victim of violence. one law tried to ban guns within school zones saying if you allow them in, it does effect commerce. children get hurt, insurance costs go up, and both of them touched on commerce. both of them, however, were struck down by the u.s. supreme court saying the congress had overstepped its bounds even under the broad-based commerce clause. so the president may have been trying to parse his words there saying on an economic issue. is health care any more of an economic issue than the violence against women act or the gun-free zones, school zones act was? we'll see. chris stirewalt was listening,

as were we. he's live in d.c. with more on this. chris, the president took considerable heat for his comments about the supreme court yesterday, people suggesting he was politicizing an equal, a co-equal branch of government and trying to maybe issue a warning to them that they'd better come down his way or else. he doesn't seem to be backing down on his position there. >> reporter: well, he's not backing down on his position, but i sure heard a different tone. i think the president realized that he had overstepped a pretty bright line distinction when he was heard pretty clearly warning, intoning against the supreme court and be leaving open the question of how much respect he had for their work. remember, megyn, as you were talking about, he does not like this court. he chided this court in public at the state of the union address two years ago. he has railed against their decision on campaign finance reform. he does not like this court. but you could hear in those remarks today or at least i did a softer tone where he was trying to make very clear that he respected the authority of the court and hoped that they would make a good decision.

i think he realized that he probably went too far yesterday. megyn: what he said is the supreme court has the final say, and all of us have to respect it. i mean, did he -- did i miss something? did he say something more than that? >> reporter: well, i heard a shift in emphasis from him saying that the court could delegitimize itself if it decided against his law to saying that he would certainly abide by whatever decision the court would make, and he shifted the argument much like the rest of what he was talking about today with paul ryan's budget to say that this was a humanitarian issue, that the court needed to consider the people who had cancer and the people who were sick and making it more of an emotional appeal and less of a direct political confrontation. megyn: he did mention that yesterday. there will be controversy about that still though, chris. is that the high court's job, to be humanitarians? >> reporter: well, and certainly republicans and conservatives and conservative legal scholars say, no, their job is to interpret the constitution and apply it to the laws that are presented to it as it renders it judgment on these

cases. what the president did today was that was a blisteringly partisan attack on paul ryan. full campaign mode, and he's hoping to have the discussion for the election be about republicans trying to take things away from people that the president wants. he's there lumping the supreme court into that same bunch, any of the justices who would decide against him and his law would be taking things away from needy people and people that he's trying to help. so he's really trying to cast this election as a very stark choice. megyn: how much of this was, you know, look over here, here i am, i'm in this race on the day of the maryland, wisconsin and d.c. republican primaries? [laughter] >> reporter: i think it's not coincidental that the president opted on the day that paul ryan is out campaigning with mitt romney in wisconsin, a day that many people expect mitt romney will begin the process of putting this nomination to bed and being done with a long, difficult primary process, that the president is here calling out romney, calling out paul

ryan and saying, oh yeah? you say that you're the deficit hawks? well, i'm going to prove to the american people that you're trying to hurt old people, children and sick people. so he's laying it out there. megyn: chris stirewalt, thank you, sir. >> reporter: you bet. megyn: all right. you heard the president speaking moments ago about the supreme court and how he thinks it should handle the health care ruling. did we hear a warning today or yesterday? did he shift in his tone? is he trying to influence this decision as some are claiming today in and is the president getting ready to politicize the supreme court ruling if it doesn't go his way? we will have a fair and balanced debate with jay sekulow and julian epstein coming up on that. plus, a 70-year-old piece of government polling data so popular it crashes a government web site. we'll explain what that's all about. and former nbc news anchor tom brokaw suggesting the u.s. should be following china's example. what do you think of that? >> i think that we have gotten a little soft, quite honestly.

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megyn: what began as a jubilant celebration in lexington, kentucky, ended in violence. thousands of university of kentucky fans took to the streets to celebrate last night's ncaa men's basketball championship. [cheers and applause] basketball championship. but police say it got out of hand quickly. two people were shot in separate incidents, and more than 60 fires were set around the city. this comes just two days after a similar scene in lexington over the weekend. no word on how many people were arrested. ♪ megyn: to the campaign trail now and some remarks from the president at a campaign event last friday are getting new

attention as some suggest his most recent attack on the gop sounds like he is campaigning against capitalism. take a listen. >> their philosophy is simple, you're on your own. that's their view, that the only way the economy can grow is if, you know, if you're out of a job, tough luck. figure it out on your own. if you don't have health care, too bad, you're on your own. if you're a senior having trouble paying your prescription drugs, that's not our problem. if you're a young person coming out of poverty, pull yourself up by your own boot straps even if you don't have boots. [applause] we won't win the race for new jobs and new businesses and middle class security if, if we cling to this same old, worn-out, tired you're on your own economics that the other side is peddling. i mean, they act like we haven't

tried it. we tried it! you know, the idea that you would keep on doing the same thing over and over again even though it's been proven not to work, that's a sign of madness. megyn: joining me now, christopher hahn, a former aide to democratic senator chuck schumer, and chris plant who is host of the chris plant show. hi, guys. okay, so the president's taken some incoming from, among others, rush limbaugh who says what he's essentially saying here is that we tried capitalism, and it failed. what do you think of it, chris plant? >> well, in this president has been waging war against free market capitalism since we first learned his name. you know, this is, this is pretty cleary another example of the president who's demonized wall street, who's demonized bankers, demonized speculators, who has demonized the free market at every opportunity. he's not a free market guy.

he wants, he once said during a speech to a bunch of business people that he's a free market person, and it got a laugh. they thought it was a joke. now, we were listening to the president a few minutes ago, and can he started ticking off jobs that he wants to see. if you go back and listen, every one of them is a government job. he's talking about teachers and firefighters -- >> well, we do need -- >> unions that give money to democrats, and they're all government jobs. all of his solutions are government solutions. >> chris -- >> we hear him talking about solar. megyn: okay, go ahead. >> we do need teachers and firefighters so that we can train the next generation of leaders in this country, and we can make sure their houses don't burn down in the process. >> yeah, there you go. >> let's not demonize firefighters while we're praising a guy like rush limbaugh who, let's face it, if it wasn't for government, would have no job because the government protecting the free airwaves that he broadcasts on. >> oh, thank the government. >> i know that conservatives can't run on the economy anymore

because it's getting better, so what they've got to try to do is make the president sound weird, you know, he doesn't believe in capitalism. let me tell you something, most companies in this country couldn't survive without government intervention. take the oil industry. if it wasn't for our navy, they'd be bankrupt right now. let's be clear -- megyn: chris, let me ask you, though, because he said in the his remarks we tried it, it was tried in the decades before the great depression, it didn't work then. it was tried in the last decade, it didn't work. you know, we looked up the unemployment, the average unemployment under george w. bush from '01-'08, it was 5.3%. the average participation in food stamps was 23 and a half million. >> megyn, you're ignoring the last three months of his presidency. megyn: he's talking about the last decade. >> well, the policies of the last decade that led to the collapse of our economy in this country, and if it wasn't for -- megyn: more than housing? >> -- we would still be falling today. megyn: more than housing?

you don't give president bush credit for job creation? >> he created no jobs. he had a net loss of jobs if you take the policies of his administration. remember, obama's first budget wasn't even passed until six months into his presidency. >> that was his last budget, too, by the way. that was the only budget he's passed as president -- megyn: why is that, chris plant? is there a legitimate criticism to be had that the policies of george bush put us in a worse position, and that was a you're on your own type attitude? >> it was. >> no, of course not. it's called free market capitalism, and i could bring in the community reinvestment act and the housing bubble and our democrat do-gooder projects that laid the ground work for that implosion, but i won't because we don't, we don't have to, listen, chris, we don't have to work to make barack obama sound increasingly weird. in fact, that speech there was kind of a demonstration of his detachment from reality. and the fact that he continues to blame and look for government solutions to all of our economic

problems. you know that there are millions fewer people who have jobs today than when barack obama took office. >> right. >> that's a phony -- megyn: wait a minute, let me jump in, chris, because the way the right is going to look at this comment and this line of argument because it seems to be something the president's going -- he's done it before -- >> right. megyn: is that he is an anti-captain lift which -- capitalist and at a minimum that he is divisive, he is all about dividing the rich and the poor and class warfare. speaking of rush limbaugh, here is how he put it on this point. listen. >> he believes that capitalism is you're on your own. he believes that capitalism is people destroying each other. stealing from each other. that's what he thinks of competition. competition is immoral, it's unhealthy because all it does is lead to cheater ofs. and who are the cheaters? the people that win.

megyn: go ahead, chris. >> you know, leave it to rush limbaugh to find the darkest moment and create something out of nothing. he's absolutely wrong as he is on almost every issue. this president believes in competition and the free market. look at how the markets have performed during his presidency. rush limbaugh just needs something to attack or he's irrelevant. megyn: maybe he's going to attack you next. >> i hope he does. megyn: chris plant, last word. >> this government has solutions to everything, he has free market solutions to nothing, he thinks the government can pick solyndra and it will win. they do nothing but pick losers. their statists. megyn: all right, guys. >> that's a new word. megyn: hard to say. see you, gentlemen. coming up, we're tracking down a developing story involving the president's re-election team and a message that has suddenly disappeared from the barackobama.com web site. before that message was scrubbed, we recorded it, and you will see it here. plus, new developments coming up on amelia earhart.

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megyn: well, it could be the clue that breaks open one of the most enduring mysteries of the last century. what happened to amelia earhart? some say a photo may on not only point to where her plane went down, but also shed some light on what happened after that. trace gallagher has more on this one. trace? >> reporter: there have been dozens of searches, megyn, for amelia earhart over the years, but what if they were searching thousands of miles off target? we knew she was headed for the howling island. there was a plane wreckage site found about 800 miles off the coast, but that plane turned out to be the wrong plane. in 2010 way over here on gardener island they found bones

and artifacts that may or may not have wronged to amelia earhart and her navigator. the bones were inconclusive. well, now over here 2,000 miles away on gardener island, look what at what a marine surveyor found. this is a picture, right? we're going to kind of circle what we're talking about. if you zoom in on that picture, what it is they believe might be the strut, right? the landing gear and the strut of amelia earhart's lockheed martin plane. keep in mind, they can't just go out there and check it out because the water levels vary so much, that strut can be underwater for months and months at a time, so in july they're going to search to see if they can find it. what they believe happened is that she may have crash landed, made it out of the plane and then got to gardener island and then died of starvation weeks and weeks later. but now the state department is willing to give those searchers, megyn, $500,000 to help them go after it.

hillary clinton's behind this. she says she's not buying into the theory that it's the strut and that amelia earhart lived, but she's saying it's worth a look, right? to kind of find out one of the most lengthy mysteries of all time. maybe this is it -- megyn: so it's not like "gilligan's island", it's pretty barren, i take it, if they think she starved to death. >> reporter: yeah. that island can be underwater for months at a time, it's nothing but a desert piece of sand. megyn: do you love my historical earns? "gilligan's island", that was the only one i could come up with. thank you, trace. >> reporter: sure. megyn: coming up, a mega millions mystery, a so-called winner in hiding. was there really a lottery pool? and why is she refusing to share what she claims is a $110 million jackpot? and our constitutional scholars weigh in on the president's apparent, well, issues with the high court and

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megyn: fox news alert. president obama going after the gop with the kind of comments that have recently been labeled class warfare. welcome to a new hour of "america live." i'm megyn kelly. the speech was scathing but the complaints are not new. he says republicans are out for themselves and the wealthy while he was trying to reach what he calls a fair deal for all. >> reporter: the president says this is not class warfare. he says it's math. he says the numbers don't add up in the ryan budget who has now endorsed mitt romney, the president. he's naming mitt romney going after him in this speech and also naming night *, saying they signed on to the ryan budget the president called radical. he said it's a trojan horse.

he says it's laughable and a prescription for decline. the president adding this is not only the blue print for the republican presidential candidates but also for congressional republicans adding this insult. take a listen. >> instead of moderating their views even slightly. the republicans running congress right now have doubled down. and proposed a budget so far to the right it makes the contract with america look like the new deal. >> reporter: also interesting about this speech is the timing. you will remember back on super tuesday the president had a news conference so he grabbed some of the limelight. today you have got the wisconsin primaries as well as d.c. and maryland. so the president trying to steal the spotlight. mitt romney was on fox and friends says this speech sos the president is on defense. >> this has been the slowest

recovery in the american history including the great depression. he's trying to find some of the blame. >> reporter: the broader point the president was trying to make in his speech was basically that he thinks the problem with washington right now is in his view the republican party has moved too far to the right. the president going so far as to say he believes ronald reagan would not be conservative of any for the current republican primary season. that's a comment that will get a lot of notice on the campaign trail. megyn: we are tracking a story that a message president obama's election team is trying to send to african-american voters. a sitcom actress says in a campaign message, it's on if president obama wins a second term. now that video has mysteriously

disappeared from barackobama.com. >> obama has to get in the next four years. what really makes me excited about that is that a united states president only has two terms. in the second term, it's on. megyn: that's tatyana ali who starred in "the fresh prince of bel air." we'll have more on this message and what the reelection team is trying to do here in five minutes. we heard the president speak about the supreme court and how he peoples they should rule on this healthcare overhaul. >> the supreme court is the final say on our constitution and our laws. and all of us have to respect it. but it's precisely because of

that power that court has traditionally exercised significant restraint and deference to our duly elected legislature, our congress. and so the burden is on those who would overturn a law like this. now, as i said, i expect the supreme court actually to recognize that and to abide by well-established precedents out there. megyn: scott rasmussen just wrote a column suggesting this law is in trouble even if the high court uphold it and even if president obama is reelected. also joining us, pat caddell.

pat, i want to start with you with something that just jumped out on me. why the long pause. what do you think the president was searching for so hard when he was trying to characterize his expectations? >> i think he was trying to decide what he knows as a law professor and what he hopes politically. he was sending a message to the court. i think it's interesting if you listen to what he said, his arguments, they were pretty amazing partly because when he said this was passed by a strong democratic majority. it was passed by a few votes where one of the houses had to abrogate its work because they couldn't go to conference committee and it was rammed down with all these deals. i said from the beginning the american people haven't liked it. scott rasmussen has had all but one week the majority of people

wanting it repealed. one thing the white house its missing when they try to send this message to the court is this time the public wants the court to act against the law. they don't like it. megyn: scott, you have an interesting piece on this talking about how even if the republicans' worth nightmare comes true, the high court uphold the mandate and the law and president obama wins reelection. you say the american people will kiss this law good-bye. how, why? >> 11 million people will be forced off their existing health insurance and 77% of americans who have health insurance will be happy with it. there will be a bunch of of angry voters saying we want our insurance back. the second thing though is that americans recognize they have more power as consumers than they do as voters. they want to be able to choose between really expensive plans that cover everything and have slow deductibles and more cost

effective plans that cover fewer procedures. they like to make those choices. 82 per wants to make a choice if their employer pays for the health insurance they think they should get to buy a plan that makes sense for them and their family. voters like the idea of being empowered to make a decision about healthcare for themselves. the president's law goes in the opposite direction and shifts all the power to washington. that simply can't stand. megyn: it's interesting what you write. or something as fundamental as medical care government policy must be consistent with deeply held american values. that's why an approach that relies on trusting the government fan mandates cannot survive. is that why those against the law have remaingd so high consistently? >> absolutely. democrats continue to support this law. but republicans and other

consumers have basic views that people should have choices. the people who use the healthcare system the most are the most opposed to this law. megyn: james carville came out and said if this gets reversed it will be a gift to the democrats. you have people who were about to get coverage notwithstanding a preexisting condition or kids able to stay on their healthcare until 26. and they are going to make the republican party pay. >> i think that's great spin. the fact is yes people have always liked particular small pieces about 27. but the problem is what scott is talking about, the totality. people thought as i described it, they viewed the passage of the crime against democracy. they thought it would bust the budget which the cbo says it will do. they believe it will make their

own healthcare worse. and the fact is that people -- what people really want is the ability to have some choice. i thought it was also interesting in scott's piece that he said that, you know, the things people would like to be able to do, to have these options to go across state lines to try different things, are illegal. they are banned. and a majority of americans -- a large majority have said it's intrusive by the government on healthcare and americans and the way they have healthcare. and more importantly even a majority of democrats in the gallup policy they want the mandate struck down. they don't believe they should be able to be fined. this was scene overreach. it's like the kansas-nebraska act in the 1850s. it will fall on its own weight. megyn: a weather alert coming

in. we just got word that a tornado warning is in effect for the next 20 minutes for an area around dallas or the area around dallas. the national weather service saying storm spotters reported what looked like a funnel cloud on the ground. janice dean will be with us in moment with more. a dusty piece of government data, more than 70 years old. so wildly popular the sheer number of people checking it out crashed the government web site. when has that ever happened. the story behind the 1940 census just ahead. and she is loving it. but her co-workers apparently are not. coming up in "kelly's court." the mcdonald's lotto pool, alleged pool, that won $110 million, and the woman who claims she point and won't share it. >> i don't know whatments going on.

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megyn: we are getting word of a tornado warning in the area around dallas. janice dean is following this. >> reporter: here is our watch that's just been posted for the national weather service. conditions are favorable for tornadoes until 8:00 p.m. local time. these are the two dangerous cells we are watching. a tornado warning for the fort worth area as well as the dallas area. tarant and johnson county. it has a history of producing considerable damage. damage has already been spotted

around the clayburne cell. you can see these cells moving rapedly to the northeast around 25 miles an hour. both of these areas heavily pop late. a dangerous situation and already we have spotted some storm damage because of this system. we'll keep you posted. the tornado watch until 8:00 p.m. local time including the dallas-fort worth area. megyn: we have a developing story right now involving the president's reelection team and a message it seems to be sending to african-american voters. the daily caller found the web seethe saying it's on with president obama wins a second term. >> obama has to get in the next

four years. what really makes me excited about that is a united states president only has two terms. in the second term, it's on. megyn: then she goes on to say it's on -- because we don't have to worry about getting reelected. good luck, however, finding that video because it's gone from the web site and all references appear to have been scrubbed. we reached out to the obama campaign to comment on why, so far no response. joining me, david webb. also jehmu green. a little mystery unfolding at the web site. why would they post tatyana only to remove her. >> probably for this exact

reason. the media will focus on one point made by a former actress in "the french prince of bel air." you know what? it is on. it's on for his supporters who think he's god and for his opponents who think he's the devil. everyone is going to put a message out there about what is at stake. the gaze and lesbians will say d the gays and lesbians will say he's going to support gay marriage. megyn: it's not so much that she and axlerod are coordinating. but the reason why it's controversial is it echos what the president himself said to medvedev when he was sort of saying i have got one more election, trust me, i'll have

more liberty after the election. or however he put it. >> people from hollywood have great power when they are on the president's side. when it might damage them it's irrelevant. let's give her her right. megyn: it's not like she is tom hanks. >> but she is a black woman and women are important in the black community to the vote. we have a president who has been in full mode with his supporters to shore up the black vote. this is smart politics to keep reaching out that way. megyn: what is he saying to black voters with that. he's saying real empowerment is to be unpredictable in your vote. if you are 97% for the democrats after 40-something years, what's your return on the investment as a community when you are living

in the same ghetto three generations later. this is a real problem. megyn: that's not the only thing. david is a right-leaning thingt buy, but van jones came out and said -- first, this is -- >> this is a conspiracy theory to say from her saying those small points that this is some conspiracy with the entire black community is a bit -- >> i sit was smart politics. >> van jones said we have to on the left -- the hard-core progressives, we have to hold this president accountable. we have to push him. at the end of the day he's a moderate. no matter how much the republicans want to push this message that he's so far to the left -- megyn: you think he's a moderate acting like a moderate or a liberal acting like a moderate.

>> a moderate acting like a moderate with a congress that's been acting like a bunch of spoiled brats. megyn: the fear on the other side is that he's a liberal acting like a moderate and if he gets the second term he will be a liberal acting like a liberal. >> i don't do conspiracy theories but i do look at the record. this is hope and change versus record and reality. look at president obama's record. look at the laws he sponsored be look at the laws he signed into play. this is how i look at him. he's going to do everything he can to throw everything against the wall and get it to stick. we have party line votes on obama-care. we have all the issues that he put out that have failed. the stimulus. megyn: president obama cannot

wave a wand. >> most black women are against gay marriage. on immigration he will push to that. this is a guy in the reelection mode who will do anything possible to get a vote. megyn: i have got to leave it at that because of a tornado. >> put the healthcare law into action. megyn: our friends in texas are in danger. thank you so much. we want to bring you this alert. we are seeing live pictures of this tornado on the ground in texas. do we have them? here we go. we have been taking a look at it in the control room. janice dean will have more on this. she joined us moment ago with an update around dallas. >> reporter: this looks like a tornado in and around the dallas-fort worth area. i saw pictures indicating a wall cloud and funnel dropping from

that wall cloud. not only are we seeing strong rotation, we are seeing video. i believe we have some video earlier on from minutes ago. you can really see that. you see that funnel? you see that dark cloud? so this is johnson county. they are currently under a tornado warning for the next 8 minutes. this is around the dallas-fort worth area. this is not just a cornfield. this is a metropolitan area. this is one of the things we fear the most when we talk about storms is these tornadoes coming into highly developed heavily populated areas. so currently johnson county, tarrant, southern dallas county. we are seeing damage in the cleburne area and right now looking at this funnel cloud on your screen. so this is a worst nightmare

coming true for the dallas-fort worth area. megyn: david is saying he used to live in that area. megyn: parts of that area is more spread out and less condensed. >> what it is -- it's called the mid-cities area. between fort worth and dallas is well pop late and down to cleburne is a good residential population. this is a problem they have had when i lived out there. megyn: we are being told those are sparks at the bottom of the screen, transformers. >> reporter: that's actual damage on the ground from this tornado. megyn: have you seen that before when you have been watching tornado video? >> reporter: i have not seen something like that. unfortunately when you go inside

the funnel sometimes you can see the debris being lifted up and that would be an indicator that we are seeing a tornado doing damage. so maybe we can actually talk about the cleburne area. could you ask where that is in relation to dallas-fort worth. >> it's south of dl has 45 minutes, i believe. it's been spread out. they travel up to dallas. so a lot of new development in that area. down in that area there are a lot of above-ground transformers. so i would travel them frequently. so it's a possibility of electrical outages. >> reporter: i have just gotten word from the national weather service, they are saying considerable damage from the cleburne area. i suspect the tornado warnings are going on now. megyn: what's the story behind these storms? >> reporter: it's a

slow-moving system, an upper-level low ejected from the rock why is. the same scenario we have seen the last couple weeks. they issued a tornado watch. we have abundant moisture and the temperatures in this area have been very, very unseasonable. in regard to temperatures, 70s, 80s, close to 90 degrees. the type of storm system you would see in the late springtime. this is tornado alley. this is something we would typically see this time of year. but we have seen incredible amounts of tornadic activity with -- since january, really. this is scene ongoing situation. unfortunately we are dealing with a major city now. megyn: they say tornadoes plural have touched down in the dallas-fort worth area. storm spotters have revealed separate tornado south of dallas and fort worth.

as you reported, considerable damage being reported near cleburne. that would be separate tornadoes touching down south of dallas and fort worth. >> reporter: take a look at the radar. they have just reissues a tornado warning just east of the fort worth area and west of dallas. you see those little red polygons. you can see the supercells over the same area. you just saw that live. they have just reissues a tornado warning for the dallas area. megyn: now they are saying the funnel cloud we have been seeing, the one in this video is near interstate 35 south of dallas. i don't know if it' the funnel cloud we have been watching. they are saying this is a associated press reporting the television footage, they may have more information than we do.

shows this funnel cloud on i35 south of dallas. >> that's the alley janice was talking about. it would move up there westward toward fort worth. that's where the danger is. the mid-cities areas between the two. megyn: look at these pictures. it looks like it's 8 p.m. in dallas, texas. it is not. it is 1:30 dallas time and the sky is black. you saw the funnel cloud as did we earlier. it was large in size. janice, can you tell anything as you say that videotape of the funnel cloud about its size or strength? >> reporter: we have to wait to see the damage the funnel cloud has perhaps produced. we heard there is considerable damage on the ground near three bush.

looking -- near cleburne. they are reissuing these tornado warnings on top much each other. -- on top of each other. they are reissuing these tornado warnings. this is a really dangerous situation unfolding. it's one thing to have a tornado in a cornfield. but we are futurecasting about millions of people that could be affected by these several supercells. this is potentially just a very dangerous situation we are seeing live on television. megyn: the national weather service in fort worth issues this advisory saying the tornado warning remains in effect. this is the case want to read to you. it says, move to an interior bathroom, closet or hallway on the lowest floor of your building. cover yourself with blankets, pillows or a mattress or protection. they go on to say, evacuate

mobile homes for a storm shelter or permanent building. if no shelter is available lie flat in the nearest ditch and cover your head. here is a texas news crew driving toward the storm. we are getting their live feed. that advice we heard so many times. to city slickers it sounds shocking that they might consider pulling over and lying in a ditch. >> when you get into south dallas and some of the older areas you have older homes not built to newer codes. megyn: you were saying a lot of these transformers -- we don't know whether those are transformers. that's just word we are getting. this is ktvt we are watching there. it's unclear if it's a funnel

cloud. it appears to be. but is that unusual in the dallas area not to have the underground fat silt? it seems there are lots of houses and facilities that don't build the basements. >> in general in texas and those areas you don't have basements. some of the areas closer to hill country you get basements. out in the mid-cities where you have a newer area, majority of texas houses don't in my experience have basements. megyn: it happens a lot of times in the south given the weather periods. >> for some reason they can't put gas lines down. so you have more electric, electric stoves. megyn: on this live feed we are getting it looks like a rainstorm. what are these cars and trucks driving into? we heard reports that a tornado

had been spotted and we are hearing the tornado warning affects several major roads down in the dallas-fort worth area. >> reporter: i'm getting reports we are hearing widespread damage around the dallas-fort worth area. widespread damage and destruction. this is from the associated press. we don't have any confirmation. we are just hearing reports. if any indications on the doppler radar we are seeing warnings on top of each other in and around the dallas-fort worth area. the tornado watch just went into effect an hour ago. we had some indication wheeze could see large hail -- indications we could see large hail, damages winds. when i know something is coming, the whole of fox news knows we are going to be reporting on the possibility of damage and destruction. that was not the case. so this is sort of coming out of

the blue. and so they issued a tornado watch about an hour ago and these warnings just popped up as well. megyn: look at that sky. look at that. >> reporter: this is a big metropolitan city. they are in tornado alley. they hopefully know what to do when the warnings come in and the sirens are sound. but this is a situation that can affect so many people. so we are just hoping for the best. megyn: i don't know that we can requeue up the video where we saw the explosions. what we are hearing is power lines are often struck and show a spark or type of explosion, if you will, and that is how many people are able to identify the twister is touching ground and has in fact reached -- there you can see there is one of them. if the video goes on you will see a few more. they can see the twister has touched ground. for us it's been an unusual

sight. but for those who lived it not so much. that shows you the dangers folks on the ground face when a tornado touches ground. exploding power lines and the like pose an equal danger especially to motorists, one of which we are watching now as we see the live through through a local television crew's front windshield. you can see they had the wipers going as they appear to be driving towards the danger. we don't know much right now. folks. >> reporter: can you see in the frame -- you saw there was a debris field. that's something we look at when we see the wall clouds and the funnel cloud. but just to the right of the screen if we can recue that i want to show you the debris being picked up by the storm. at least that's way saw on the rye hand your screen moment ago. i hate to see these cars on the roadways as well. it's an ominous sight all

together. this is a new view we are getting from a chopper. skies are dark. but you saw that wall cloud that we look at. the funnel coming down from the cloud itself. then just moments ago i saw what looked like debris. and that's one of the indications that we look for in video if indeed a funnel is making progress across the ground. it's bringing up debris. megyn: we are hearing there are reports of something just like that. vehicles, or something the size of vehicles that appear to be flying in the air, that appear to have been picked up by this storm. that is unconfirmed by fox news. we are trying to confirm these are initial reports coming in. hard in, massive debris being picked up, akin to what you may be seeing, janice. but you can see obviously

dallas-fort worth is dealing with a dangerous situation. look at that. the split screen tells the story. megyn: how many are we talking about now? what type of square footage, what type of mileage are we talking about? it looks like a huge area covers by the pink. >> reporter: you are seeing the separate cells around the dallas-fort worth area. north of the dallas area. for 20-30 minutes those warnings have been up. these supercells are continuing to progress northeastward 25 miles an hour. that's the latest report i got. not only are we seeing rotation on doppler radar, but we are now getting reports in an around the

dallas area of widespread damage. so you don't know -- i have no word. it's a situation that you hope that you never see in your lifetime. and hopefully everyone is okay, and they heeded the warnings. but at this point when you see a tornado warning in a heavily populated area, that's your worst case scenario. megyn: how big a danger would the water be coming down. when these storms come are you talking about significant rainfall, hydroplaning? >> reporter: sometimes the heavy rainfall wraps around the tornado so you can't see the tornado coming. megyn: we are hearing some of our local reporters talking about the storm. i want to dip in for that. >> that's what we are watching now. this is a garage door pushes in, trees and other debris have been lifted by this tornado. you are looking at tarrant

county south of arlington by just a skosh. >> we have had confirmed damage. this is a live look from kiddedale. we had a tornado do some damage in this neighborhood. some of the garage doors have been pushed in. this tornado continues to track northward. we believe it's probably close to the pantego area up towards southwest arlington, you need to take cover immediately. lowest floor available, we have a tornado that at times we believe is being wrapped by rain it's also kicking up debris which is going to make it very difficult to see it approaching. trust us when we tell you that you need to take cover. megyn: you can see that was our first live look at some of the

damage in the neighborhood. the video is difficult to hear -- to see. but you can hear them talking about the debris, talking about trees among them. that's consistent with some of the earlier reports we heard. this is turning into a major story, folks. the situation on the ground in dallas-fort worth is perilous. the national weather service issuing a stern warning to those in the area. there is considerable damage near cleburne. mobile homes residents need to evacuate, head to a storm shelter or permanent building. if you cannot find one lie flat in the nearest ditch and cover your head. that's from the national weather service. folks inside their home, move to an interior bathroom, a closet. cover yourself with blankets and

pillows, a mattress for protection. this is a serious warning in an area that already received considerable damage. we are trying to get an update from the locals. let's take a listen. we are just dipping in as we can to this local news agency as it appears to be driving towards the twister. towards the heart of the tornado. that's how it appears to us, that's our information right now. you can hear the sound of the windshield wipers passing back and forth. let's listen again.

want to just bring you the latest from a couple of the wires we are getting which is a code black has been issued at parkland hospital down in the area. that means keeping all the patients away from the windows. damage has been reported in johnson county where a tornado is reported to have touched down. tornado on the ground of thed southeast of i35, just south of downtown dallas. considerable damage reported in cleburne. this is a major metropolitan area dealing with what could be multiple twisters. let's listen again. >> you can see i'm passing big chunks of trees that have been uproad. i see metal corrugated steel. lots of emergency vehicles. i'm sure there is lots of damage in the area. it's hard to see the tornado if it's still on the ground it's rain wrapped.

i20. heading east but looking back, the camera is looking back to the north and east. megyn: look at that. look at photos just coming in right mere which appears to be some sort of parking lot, a truck facility. look at the size of the damage there. as we reported, the national weather service is saying this fox tornado is quote large and extremely dangerous. i'm joined on the phone by the storm predictions center with noaa. can you put it in perspective for us what's happening in the dallas-fort worth area? >> reporter: this is a focused the severe weather outbreak. we have a relatively strong storm system coming out across

west texas and the air mass heated up quite rapidly. we watched this development occur just over the past couple hours with rapid development of strong storms and of course a few tornadoes, one of which seems to be moving across the southern part and eastern part of dallas as we speak. megyn: is there any way of telling that now? >> reporter: there is no way of telling. there is at least the one we have seen in the dallas area. there looks to be another storm similar in character east of fort worth right between the dallas-fort worth metroplex. we all know what's between there. the dfw airport. obviously some problems for airline traffic. we'll hear a lot more problems before the day is out. megyn: how unusual is it for a tornado or tornadoes to hit such a metropolitan area. >> reporter: if you are going to see one in dallas-fort worth

it will probably be april. so that happened before. and unfortunately they are happening again. megyn: i don't know if you can see our screen. it looks like a parking lot, truck yard right off the interstate. but the water damage and flooding appears to be significant. >> reporter: these storms had a significant amount of rainfall before the tornado came through. that's usually the case. this tornado looked like it crossed i20 moments ago and perhaps that's the damage we saw with the trucks there. but there is a line of storms moving into fort worth that will contain a significant amount of rain and hail. in addition to that tornado potential there is also flooding and hail damage potential. megyn: this is right off the interstate. it could be mobile homes. it could be trucks. large semis. steps away you see the situation with the truck yard. now that we get a closer look it

doesn't look like the trucks are under water. it looks like a parking lot where the trucks have been picked up or battered about. you can see the top of it with some perhaps twister damage or wind damage. are you having reports -- can you comment on the extent of the damage? >> reporter: it's too early. i'm watch where these tornadoes are in relation to the metroplex. i see this one in the dl has area has -- in the dallas area has come close to i45 and i20. there will be a lot of transportation infrastructure that could be at risk. this storm is now head off to the southeast portion of dallas. that area around the gun probably the next 40 minutes or so. megyn: you can see that truck on its side. this our affiliate driving closer to the storm as the picture breaks up understandably. we'll check in with them as well

as we talk to gregg for another minute. i want to ask you, one of our affiliate is reporting 18-wheelers were being seen thrown into the air by this tornado. would that be -- does that say anything about the strength or power of the twisters? >> reporter: as we saw this tornado move the last 10-15 minute we could see numerous power flashes with power lines being broken. wind speeds 100-plus miles per hour. it's not surprising you will see things thrown about including tractor trailers. they make for large objects that are easy to move about once you get strong winds of 100 miles an hour. megyn: the national weather service calling this a massive tornado. it's located near lancaster moving towards dallas. what leads to that

characterization? >> reporter: usually what result in that characterization is a visual characterization that you have a tornado meeting those characteristics. i think that's what they were seeing, the video from the helicopter there covering this tornado moving into the area. in order for them to characterize it that way i think you have to have visual you characterization. megyn: it's not a term we often hear when we are reporting the storms in progress. it seems like a serious warning. we are look at a large and extremely dangerous tornado. perhaps multiple tornadoes in the dallas-fort worth area. our guest telling us one has been seen in and around the dallas area. another east of the fort worth possible as well as we listen in the distance the sound of the tornado warning sirens that folks need to pay attention to in the dallas-fort worth area. the aerial footage has shown tractor trucks beingr sucked up

by the storm. at least one person reportedly injured in cleburne though we are not confirming this ourselves. this is according to a local report. but lancaster, texas, 20 miles south of dallas is in the eye of this storm and dallas, texas, apparently not out of the woods yet. is that the case, gregg? >> reporter: it depend on how you define dallas. it's a large metropolitan area. a warning exists along the eastern portion of dallas and another west of dallas. a large part of the metroplex is under threat from at least one and possibly two tornadoes. so the downtown, the center of town doesn't look like it's in that warning. but they are in a tornado watch. there is a tornado watch across all of north central texas

through this afternoon. megyn: why do these storms become so violent so quickly? it doesn't seem like we had a lot of warning on this. >> reporter: the conditions were in place even yesterday. we saw severe weather across the a -- across the arklatex. add to that a tremendous amount of moisture in the air. very humid the last couple days with southerly winds bringing air off the gulf of mexico. all you need is a form of lift and we have that this storm system coming across west texas this afternoon. megyn: we are looking at the picture from our local affiliate tracking the storm. we have been dipping in as we can. it doesn't look from their front window like the funnel cloud can be seen. but the sky extremely whom us in

and almost a dark gray now. does that tell you anything about it, whether a possible tornado could be about to form, already forming, the fact that we can't necessarily see a funnel cloud with our own eyes? >> reporter: what will happen with these storms is they will cycle. you will see a tornado on the ground for quite some time, 20-30 minutes. but then they will get into an area where the circulation can no longer contain itself. and it will die off. but the storms can recycle and become tornadic again. just because you don't see anything obvious at the moment doesn't mean there won't be another tornado close within minutes of the one we just saw. megyn: what would you imagine the experience would be driving into an area with a sky like the one we are seeing now. heavy rains. heavy winds. >> reporter: the most concern is you drive in unaware that there is a threat there. that can happen with the heavy

rain. it can block your vision in these cases where you are driving into what you think is a rain shower. but before you know it you are faced with 100-150-mile-an-hour winds with a tornado. people need to heed the warnings out there and need to take concern about where they are relation to where the warnings are. megyn: gregg, thank you very much. we appreciate your time from noaa, the storms prediction center. reid zimmer is a storm chaser and meteorologist. are you on the ground in dallas-fort worth. >> no, we are heading south. we don't have visual of the tornado right now. but it is heading between dallas towards the garland area. it's a deadly situation down there. megyn: as we watched our local affiliate and the feed is coming in and out.

here it is again. you can see through the wipers as they head into the storm -- can you tell us what one would experience when heading into the eye of the storm as opposed to away from it as most americans would do? >> reporter: people want to stay away from this thing as much as possible. they need to get underground. find a tornado shelter. they do not want to be out on the road. but if they are, they have any indication that a tornado is heading in their direction, you don't want to try to outrun it. get in a ditch or culvert. avoid overpasses. they are even more dangerous. people should not be out in the roads between dallas and muskeet. megyn: we talked with our guest david webb who is still on the set with me about his experience living in this region and how plate is and how the ground saturate so quickly. so you do see a fair amount of flooding, hydroplaning.

and it's another danger on the ground. >> the area he's talking about goes up through garland along i75, plan oh, -- plano, texas. i have driven through one of these accidentally in a convertible. it can come up on you. you have to be careful. and the truckers, a lot of them that are listeners to my show. they worry, do they stay still or try to get somewhere. a large surface area, you can have a fatal situation. megyn: as someone who is a storm chaser and meteorologist and expert on twisters what should these people be doing? we can see the folks driving along the highway. we heard the warning from the national weather service about what you do inside the. what do you do if you are outside if your car. >> reporter: do not try to outrun the tornado. you can hydroplane, spin off. cause a traffic jam and endanger

more lives. abandon the vehicle. get in a ditch. the lowest possible place. a ditch or culvert and ride it out in there. that's the only option. if they try to outrun it they are only endangering other people. i jot an update from irving, texas. there is a confirmed tornado. it's really bad. megyn: irving, texas in the path. megyn: is that by cowboy stadium? >> that's the arlington storm, the western storm. megyn: we want to listen to our local affiliate again. take a listen. >> many gnomes the subdivision behind the flying j have been damaged. people are wandering in the neighborhood i'm being told.

the interstate has been shut down. hutchins has been hit harder than lancaster. one has caster officer has been -- one lancaster officer has been hurt in an accident, i'm told. into the homes behind the playing j. most those homes will be wood frame, built in the 50s and 60s and early 70s. it's an older neighborhood. stagecoach trail is one of the streets in that region. we have a clerk on the phone from the flying j. we showed you pictures of these tractor trailers that were flung into the woods. this is dan henry from fox 4. can you hear me? we are in the process of trying to get tamara on the phone. this is the flying j struck stop south of dallas near interstate

20. it has done considerable damage at this truckstop. there is a subdivision immediately behind this truckstop that has also sustained heavy damage from this tornado that continues to track east of downtown dallas. >> before we go to the dallas tornado i want you to look at the tarrant county one. this looks a lot worse than the dallas county one. >> this will take precedent over the dallas county one. large hail falling in the mid cities area. from euless. you can see the terminals. this is dfw airport. this is the hook echo. north of this hook is where we have a tornado currently on the ground here tracking north, just west of highway 360.

there is green oaks boulevard and highway 360. i believe it's close to that intersection or west of there. it will pass across spring meadow road and it's heading in the direction of euless. so you folks living in euless down to the south in north arlington, what very dangerous situation. you need to be taking cover immediately. >> we are getting reports of golf ball size hail in euless and we are getting reports from the national weather service, a wall cloud is being spotted near the ballpark in arlington. >> it's probably a few minutes ago. we are looking at our live radar so you are looking at the actual sweep. this is live. >> we are passing on information to you sometimes that's a few minutes old. but we believe that we have a tornado that continues to track

northward just to the west of highway 360. megyn: just want to jump in on our local coverage. we have been trying to dip into our local affiliate in the car moving towards the storm. moment sea go they reported spotting a twister on the ground. and you can hear our local affiliate reporting about the danger -- the damage that has been seen so far and the focus on euless, texas as the next perhaps eye of the storm. shifting away from dallas which also remains in damage. but euless, texas experiencing a threat at this hour. you heard the tail end of reports we have been hearing here on the set which is golf ball size hail. another person described it as baseball sized hail in the affects areas.

so it is not just potential twister damage. but we are talking about rain, possible flash flooding and possible damaging hail. you heard david webb talk about that as was driving his car when he lived in the dallas-fort worth area. also the service you get in your car that alerts authorities to accidents are reporting there are 18,000 customers in the dallas-fort worth power without power. that's oncor. oncor. it's the local con-ed saying 18,000 people are without power in that area. that is another one of the risks. not surprising given the explosions we saw on the ground or what appeared to be explosions or large sparks on

the ground as the twisters touched down. you heard our noaa official talk about 100-plus-mile-an-hour winds that could be expected in this area saying there has been a rapid development of very strong storm, tornadoes at least one in the dallas area. another east of fort worth. the eyes on euless which is just outside of the dallas-fort worth area and the airport possibly being affected as well. the initial reports of damage just coming in. but you can see with your own eyes what happened to those tractor trailers off the major interstates. we only have reports at this hour of one injured but one can expect that to change as the situation unfold here as we watch what they are calling an extremely large and dangerous tornado affect a major metropolitan area in texas. we are going to continue our coverage now of these storms