his re-election campaign? >> people can say, well, you know, presidents campaign all the time. you know what? but this president has taken campaigning and put it on steroids. >> the formal complaints and the white house response, full coverage right here. >> another government bailout. $11 billion to rescue the post office. the good news, soon the mailman will run on wind energy. we're not kidding. you'll hear that straight ahead. >> and unusual endorsement for mitt romney. >> i think of all the republican candidates, i think romney would be the one that i would want to see have a slight possibility to be president. >> wow. former president jimmy carter explains his pick from the other side of the aisle. "fox & friends" starts right now.

>> good morning, everyone. coming up on the show today, popeye. olive oil. just kidding. gosh, a little sense of humor, please. >> i ain't scared of nothing! >> thank you very much! actually, we got james imhoff, senator. should we do the voices the whole time? nor -- senator from oklahoma will be here talking about how we crucify the gas and oil companies. >> michelle malkin will be here talking about what's important to her. jack hanna likes animals oome. >> bill o'reilly will be here and senator john mccain will be with us, he had some interesting hearings on capitol hill regarding the secret service and the whole scandal in colombia. did they learn anything? he'll let you know. let's get to your headlines now. brand new terror warning to tell you about. the feds saying a lone wolf type terrorist could attack on may

1st, the one year anniversary of the u.s. raid that killed usama bin laden. right now, there are no specific or credible threats being reported but al-qaida has warned it would seek some kind of revenge for bin laden's death as well as the accidental burning of qurans by u.s. soldiers that happened back in february. a possible breakthrough in the case of missing madeleine mccann? investigators say the little girl that disappeared while on vacation with her family in portugal may be living with her abductor. scotland yard releasing the picture of what she might look like today. they plan to include things that portuguese officials didn't consider including cell phone evidence. they'll attempt to contact anyone who stayed on the resort when she disappeared. she was 3 years old when she went missing from her parents' hotel room. they were having dinner with friends nearby. 29,000 members of the army may soon lose their jobs. many of them, some of our nation's bravest soldiers who served multiple tours of duty in iraq and afghanistan.

a pentagon official warning about these layoffs over the next five years. many members of congress are trying to reverse defense cuts proposed by president obama. republican senator kelly ayote said the layoffs would have a demoralizing effect. imagine losing your beloved pet twice. that's what happened to a family in texas. rascal, a boston terrier escaped from their home about two weeks ago and somehow ended up in an animal shelter in ft. worth. rascal's owner saw him on the shelter's web site and called. he says they told him to bring proper paperwork and come pick him up. when he got there, rascal had already been adopted. >> i mean, they look outside the window where the dog was outside and played with him on a daily basis so he doesn't understand what's going on. but i mean, it's -- in the family for five years. >> the shelter says the new owners are not looking to give

the dog up without a fight. rascal's owner believes the shelter acted too quickly. wow, did you hear the emotion in that father's voice? i mean, as a new pet owner myself, you become attached very quickly. >> if they're telling the one guy if you want your dog back, bring the paperwork and next thing you know, those people like that dog. go. >> let's talk a little bit about the election and it turns out that it's just mitt romney sitting alone after winning the five states virtually unopposed on tuesday, you can say without projecting much, this is the matchup. when fox news did an opinion dynamics poll and say what do you think among independents, the key voting block, who would you vote for if the election was today? 46-33, mitt romney a dominant lead even if you look and compare to april. >> yes, that's a 13 point advantage for mitt romney with the independents. let's face it, the people on the right will vote for mitt romney. the people on the left will vote for president obama. it's the independents who select

the president right now. mr. romney is leading by double digits over the president of the united states. >> that's very interesting poll result. in the meantime, the president continues to be on the road right now along with mitt romney. and the republican national committee is upset with the fact that they believe they are spending taxpayer dollars on not official business as president of the united states but in a campaign mode. it's a very fine line here between what is acceptable and what is not and whether or not all presidents do this or all presidents don't. basically saying that obama is cheating the american taxpayers. >> you say look, he was over a couple of colleges. looked like a pep rally. talking about the interest rate. and then two weeks ago, he's over in florida talking about the buffet tax. campaign stops, the white house has a response and says they aren't. these aren't campaign stops but this is part of my job.

>> here's reince priebus, the guy who runs the rnc and he says the campaign is bilking the american people. >> people can say, well, you know, presidents campaign all the time. you know what? but this president has taken campaigning and put it on steroids and sent it to the moon and back. when you do three fundraising events in florida and at the last second, you say you know what? i'm going to put a speech on the calendar at the university of miami two days ahead of time so now i can take air force one down and put it on the taxpayer dime. i know people campaign but this president is crossing the line and it's not reasonable anymore. >> and their argument is, white house's argument is they're official events. if they're official events, why do they happen in battleground states? the rnc letter said if it's truly official business, why not go to vermont or texas? battleground states, hmmm. >> this is what frustrates

voters so much, someone becomes president and start their campaign three seconds later and many people believe they're not actually governing. they're worried about being re-elected. here's how the white house feels about it. their spokesperson says this, travel allows him to get outside of washington, d.c., hear from students, meet with troops, veterans, military families and is likewise part of the president's official responsibilities. when there is political travel, we follow all rules and regulations that all other administrations have followed. if that's the case, then maybe it's time for a little rule change because it does seem like campaigning is almost imminent right after inauguration. and that bugs some people. >> it was john boehner who said not too long ago that the president checked out after labor day of last year, just went from president to campaigner. so maybe there's something to it. >> bipartisan agreement, the post office will live to play another day. >> wait a minute, they'll still be open on saturday? waiting in line? >> for now. >> i guess for now. i think saturday is definitely

on life support but it turns out it isn't. they got a bailout and layoffs are put on hold. >> yep, the senate has approved the bill. it's going to cost us $11 billion to keep the u.s. postal service afloat. a bunch of republicans oppose the bailout because you know what? it blows up the federal budget deficit and continues racking up the debt. meanwhile, there is a liberal senator who has an idea and that's this. we can save the post office with windmills. >> we're going to have windmill farms off the coast of the united states, each coast from north carolina to virginia all the way to maine. they're going to be harvesting the wind. turning that wind into electricity and you know what? there's sometimes that it blows a lot more than we're going to generate more electricity than we can actually use on a particular day at a particular hour. what are we going to do with

that electricity? well, we're going to store it and we're going to store it, one of the places to store it is in the battery of fleets of vehicles. who has one of the biggest fleets in america? the postal service. >> it's interesting because i think we reported earlier this week that they're shutting downwind farms in my home state of minnesota because there's not enough demand for the energy that's being produced so whether or not that's going to help save the post office, i'm not sure. >> that's the biggest reach i have heard in my life. >> go into these cars that are not even on the roads quite yet that you actually could store this kind of energy coming from wind farms. nonetheless, i don't know if the house is going to pass this post office bill. i understand for a lot of these rule senators this is important for the constituents. if they close down the post offices, it's going to make it difficult for these people to go to the post office but this is a continuation of what a lot of people believe a lot of wasting of money. >> you write that speech down?

or was he just winging it? if you have a windmill, eventually it will be stored in a post office vehicle who will also deliver your mail hopefully. >> sure. interesting enough, the u.s. postal service lost $3.3 billion in the last reporting quarter which ended on december 31st which is the christmas mailing season which should have been a time when they made a lot of money. and the board of governors of the post office say that this thing passed by the senate doesn't cut it up. they want to close a bunch of offices and they say there is not enough mail in the system anymore because people are sending e-mail. >> there's also a big controversy about the pensions that are being paid out to these employees and that's a big chunk of why they are in debt. let us know what you think about it. here's what darrell issa, congressman from california, republican thinks about the bailout. instead of finding savings to help the postal service survive, the bill has evolved into a spending binge that would actually make things worse.

simultaneously harming taxpayers and the postal service's shrinking customer base. >> part of the senate bill is 100,000 employees of the u.s. postal service would wind up taking early retirement. >> uh-huh. i just wish the post office would be forbidden to going to the back because when they go into the back, they never come out. they sit there and i'm stuck with one guy staring back at me. >> coming up straight ahead, oklahoma city bomber timothy mcveigh, the man responsible for one of the worst terror attacks in u.s. history. what does he have in common with the tea party? one prominent democrat says a lot. >> and waste watch. a commission to decide what's pretty holding up projects in new york city costing taxpayers millions of dollars for really nothing in return. really? we'll explain as we roll on live from gotham. ♪ [ instrumental ]

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>> we're on the waste watch this week and today, we're seeing your tax dollars being wasted by bureaucrats right here in new york city. >> listen to this. according to a new report, the city of new york has created a special task force of four people whose sole purpose is to approve public projects based on how pretty the projects are. doesn't matter how much they cost you and how much money is being spent on the project, as long as it looks pretty. >> joining us to discuss pretty and more is new york city councilman dan haloran. i know you're running for congress as well. this right here in new york city. tell me about this council that started in 1898. >> this is something that is a holdover in days that we didn't have a zoning resolution and didn't have a landmarks preservation commission, people looking to protect the history of new york city. that's gone. this is a board appointed by the

mayor. they don't draw salary, the commissioners but they have a staff that does and they're able to actually hold up public projects to make sure they're aesthetically pleasing. >> we have examples on the big board of some of the design commission waste, boardwalk at coney island. how much did that cost despite delaying it two years? >> police academy, flushing burial grounds, three year delay. not only time but money as well. >> absolutely. as these projects go forward, the costs become exponentially greater. they've held up an estimate of $5 million worth of project over the last few years and it's everything from are we using the proper slate and wood and gravel to things like it doesn't look right to me. i mean, objective, subjective. there's a real -- >> when they say it doesn't look right to me, it's not just somebody. statement from the mayor's office goes like this. the design commission provides an invaluable public service that makes new york city a far

more attractive place to live, work and visit. you're saying this is about duplication of job responsibility and costing an average of $340,000 that we could be saving. >> absolutely. that's just the commission's staff. what we save in terms of the projects themselves, another council member who introduced the bill that i'm co-sponsor of to eliminate the commission pointed out in his district, he wanted to design a park's bocce court to put a roof on it. $75,000 is what they estimate would call, prefab unit so the old guys could play it in the court. after the design commission came back $750,000. >> you want to get rid of it. it is redundant. there's a lot of waste. mayor wants to keep it because why? >> look, this is an appointment process. he gets to appoint some of his friends from the philanthropic world on the commission. >> you're saying it's a crony thing. >> not crony per se but it helps out those circles and only manhattan members of the council

seem to be in favor of keeping this commission. all the outer burroughs that get stymied about these projects are up in arms about it because it costs us 10 times as much to build the same thing. we don't have the resources. >> we want the italians to play bocce in a roof that costs $75,000 and not $750,000. that's why people play. >> that's right. that's right. that's right. do something for my people, i'm irish. >> me, too. i have that same issue. irish italian thing going on in my district and new congress district as well. >> something with beer. >> running for congress. thanks, dan, good to see you. coming up straight ahead, atheists targeting the air force and it may be working. bibles disappearing from bases. >> and this guy is mad as hell and not going to take it anymore. he's upset over the price of gas. got too see the whole thing. it's something. [ tires squeal, engine revs ]

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>> got some quick thursday morning headlines for you. the chairman of oklahoma's democratic party refusing to apologize for comparing oklahoma city bombing suspect, the guy who was convicted of it, timothy mcveigh, to members of the tea party. chairman wallace collins says mcveigh would likely be a member of the group if he were alive today. in 1995 the terrorist attack left 168 people dead including 19 children. mcveigh was, of course, convicted for it. and you've got to see this surveillance video that shows a massachusetts man going absolutely crazy over gas prices. you can see him yelling at the gas station attendant before cops arrive to calm him down. meanwhile, the national average for a gallon of gas now $3.83.

that is something to holler about! gretch, brian, over to you. >> thanks very much. an official in the u.s. state department has made a claim that is raising some eyebrows. according to a recent article in the national journal, the official said "the war on terror is over." well, now that comment has some scratching their heads and wondering if it really is. >> and joining us right now is a man who knows all about the war on terror. he's fighting it on a regular basis. major general john toolan live in our studio. the general recently returned from afghanistan where he's helped lead a dramatic drop of violence that you never hear about in two former strong hold provinces and general, welcome to the set. thanks for your service and i want to talk about afghanistan but first thing's first. the state department says the war on terror is over. says h does the defense department agree? >> i can't speak for the defense department but speak for what i know in afghanistan. the fact is that the war on terror from a perspective of having safe havens in afghanistan where people can

project terrorist activities outside of afghanistan, we've done a pretty good job of ridding the safe havens from the terrorists. there's concern about terror in and itself in afghanistan. the afghan forces, the government of afghanistan still faces terrorist acts within afghanistan, things like suicide bombs and things like suicide detonations on personnel, etc. in fact, that's really now at this point the only threat in afghanistan. >> the former secretary of state madeleine albright was here yesterday and we pose the same question to her. she seemed to have more of a problem with the language, the war on terror language. maybe she wants to call it something differently. this administration has called it something differently in the past. is that how you see it? is it just about the words or what it means underneath the words? >> originally, we went to afghanistan because of terrorist activities that impacted on us here. what we're involved in now in afghanistan is creating a stable environment. that stable environment

continues which i see is very positive progress. the government will be able to handle safe havens of terrorists, the counter insurgency operations that we're faced with right now involved activities of taliban trying to disrupt the government's capabilities. but terrorism in and of itself as you know is something that's a result of poor government, economic instability and those kinds of traits. >> of course, pakistan is a whole another theory because we can't get to them like we should. major gains inside afghanistan especially since the surge a year ago, two provinces are safe. it drives you crazy that nobody knows about the progress you guys are making. >> as you know, our marine soldiers, sailors do an incredible job over there and now that we're asking them to step back and put the afghan security forces forward and start advising and training them, this is -- this is really one of the last phases of

conducting a counter insurgency is to be able to step back and see the indigenous forces taking control. in reality, that's the only way to win this thing. >> you're optimistic? >> very optimistic. >> switching topics for a second, marines are announcing they'll put females more on the front lines of battle, do you agree with that? >> you know, the issue is front lines. where are the front lines? in today's kind of conflict. >> there are none. >> there are none, exactly. >> so women are currently serving in the front lines. women are in occupational speci specialties and there are some restrictions. what the marine corps are evaluating is what will be the proper conditions to allow them to have tank divisions, etc., we'll take a measured approach for the next year or so and eventually start assigning them to some of these units. >> it's estimated that 140 women

have lost their lives in iraq and afghanistan fighting over the last 11 years. >> incredible activities by what we call the lionesses and female engagement teams that are operating in afghanistan. they do incredible work and provide great intelligence and information. >> thanks for coming here today and bringing us the progress report from afghanistan. the commanding general there in afghanistan. >> thank you very much. >> thanks, general. >> next on the rundown, the supreme court tackling arizona's immigration law. it looks like some of the justices may already have their minds made up? >> plus, an unusual endorsement for mitt romney. >> i think of all the republican candidates who are prominent, i think romney would be the one that i would rather see have a slight possibility to be president. >> jimmy carter explains his picks on the other side of the aisle but first -- >> happy birthday to melania trump, the model and businesswoman is 42 today. i love cash back.

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>> oh, yes. there's our shot of the morning. "fox & friends", steve, brian and gretchen, our names are immortali immortalized via pretzel joining us from the pretzel factory and brian and gretchen, if you want to bring them in, i'll do so after the segment is over. >> watch out for the crew. they'll want to take a bite. >> the reason that people go out and realize that the banks are closed, it's national pretzel day, right? >> absolutely. >> how are you at philly pretzel factory celebrating? >> we're giving away free pretzels at all 120 locations. anybody comes in doesn't have to purchase anything. they get free pretzel all day long. >> just like that. i didn't realize this, the average american eats two pounds of pretzels in a year. but if you live in philadelphia. >> 10 times the national average. >> that's crazy! >> you got other food there, right? >> cheese steak. >> all right. now, behind us, we have this -- we've got this kiosk and this is

something you guys are rolling out and it's something that's going to be available for malls and airports and stuff like that. tell us about it. >> it's the new kiosk version for our stores. the economy has changed for us and because the cost of things were going up, we decided to go with a smaller model that we could fit in airports, bus stations and malls. we're able to build a whole pretzel factory for $100,000 now. >> last time you came, i was astounded it's not just a regular pretzel with great big salt on it. what flavors of pretzels do you have with us today? >> we have everything. we have cheesesteak pretzel. >> i have to have -- do you have a cheesesteak pretzel? >> yeah, we have one. we have our rivets right here. >> the little ones. >> little rivets. >> kind of like a munch kin. >> pretty much. >> all right. very good. >> that's a rivet. >> really popular with the kids. >> very nice. that guy wants a pretzel over there and so does that guy. marvin. have a rivet, marvin.

thank you very much. thanks for watching the "fox & friends" program. he's been here since the beginning. real quickly, take a look at the weather ahead for national pretzel day and it will be a nice day if you're down in texas. nice and warm. look at that. we have west coast showers and thunderstorms and heavy stuff moving through the mid atlantic up through the great lakes and down through portions of dixie land. let's look at the readings as we head out. only 48 in chicago but cooler in caribou. they can certainly use a nice, warm, toasty pretzel to get things going. 56 in raleigh. 50's in much of dixieland down through florida to the central plains. next map shows you the daytime highs for today. it's going to be 82 in kansas city. 90's across much of texas. warmer out west in texas, though. 80's throughout much of florida through the mid atlantic. today in philly, it looks like you guys are looking for a daytime high of about 54 degrees, by the way.

once again, len and dave, thank you very much. >> you're welcome. >> get a bunch of them and stand right out here. if you're going to work this morning, 48th and sixth avenue. >> giving them out all day. >> i know it. get them here and any location in the united states. >> thank you very much. >> absolutely. >> thank you. >> all right. gretchen and brian, what flavors would you like? >> i'll just take my whole -- for the first time ever, it's beneficial to have a long name because i get more pretzels. >> the only problem is, gretchen, it will taste like glue. there's a reason that it's staying on there. >> well, it's better than when i was in seventh grade roller skating and the name was on my shirt and the g was way down here to get it all the way down. at least now, it's a good news to get a long name. bring them in, steve! >> the supreme court has taken up the nation's toughest immigration law and it looks like some of the justices may already have their minds made up? >> peter doocy live in washington with more. >> and brian, arizona wants to

be able to ask people they pull over and arrest about their immigration status but the federal government thinks that's their job and their lawyers had a hard time convincing even liberal justice sonja sotemeyer to side with him yesterday and at one point, she said of his argument "you can see it's not sitting very well. why don't you try to come up with something else". one of the more conservative justices, antonin scalia explained the skepticism on the left and right like this. he said if in fact somebody who does not belong in the country is in arizona, arizona has no power, what does sovereignty mean if it does not include the ability to defend your borders? but justist sotemeyer, ginsburg and breyer did show some concern that if states can ask anyone about their status, they might end up arresting some folks who are illegally. because that, the aclu is confident that law will be struck down. >> it became clear through the course of today's argument that the justices are concerned about

a system of mass incarceration that's going to catch u.s. citizens and immigrant who's are lawfully in the united states. >> in spite of that and a day full of demonstrations outside the court, arizona's governor feels like things are going her state's way. >> today was a great day, i believe for freedom and for a state's rights and if there's such a thing, greta, as a good day in court, i think today was the day! >> and there's a chance that will end in a 4-4 tie since justice kagan recused herself for conflict of interest. if that happens, the ninth circuit court of appeals ruling will stand that struck down key parts of this law. >> live for us in d.c. thanks for the breakdown. >> now other headlines. new developments in the case of an american woman who vanished in panama. authorities now calling her boyfriend a person of interest.

he is a former marine who moved to panama with her back in september. two months later, she's gone. he is now back in the u.s. and married to another woman. he claims she left him and ran off with another man to costa rica but her passport records suggest that's not true. f.b.i. sending units to panama to joint search. >> how is this for a family affair? the husband of the accused new york madam now using their two young children to gain sympathy and money for her $2 million bail. he's doing it with this web site. yep, there's the photo. helpanna.org, it features pictures of kristina with her two sons and actually has quotes from the boys begging people to help free her by mother's day. >> may not be a good sign for president obama when a fellow democrat is offering praise for his likely opponent in november, but that's what former president jimmy carter just did for mitt romney. >> i think of all the republican candidates who are prominent, i

think romney would be the one that i would rather see have a slight possibility to be president. i would rather have a democrat. i would be comfortable. i think romney has shown in the past in his previous years as a moderate or progressive that he was fairly competent as a governor and also running the olympics, as you know, he's a good solid family man. >> carter said he expects obama to be re-elected, though. >> just call it the tax-free township. union township in indiana not collecting property taxes this year. what? you know why? it has a large surplus. the trustee says the township ended 2011 up more than $400,000. that's an anomaly. he says the surpluses were built up over several years and that changes to state rules allow them to not collect taxes from their residents. all right. people live in union township celebrate.

thank you. is this part of the g? >> that's part of the t. it's the bottom part of the t and that's part of the i in brian. >> so pretzels aren't pretzels anymore. >> they've turned into nuggets. >> do you want some mustard? >> not this early in the morning. no. >> delicious. >> how is it over there behind camera three? >> indigestion. >> a little toasty, ted? >> food, there it is. >> mr. pretzel! >> all right. so it's pretzel day here on the set. how are you celebrating at home, exchanging gifts, perhaps, and food. >> up next, though, a shocking video and an official of the e.p.a. revealing their strategy to "crucify gas and oil companies." >> kind of like how the romans used to conquer little villages in the mediterranean. they'd find the first five guys they'd run into and they'd crucify him. >> the senator not taking this likely. he's here next. >> atheists targeting the air

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>> quick headlines now. four t.s.a. agents arrested on drug conspiracy charges accused of accepting thousands of dollars from drug traffickers to help tunnel -- help funnel cocaine through security checkpoints. it's reportedly happened at los angeles international airport

last year. two of them still on the job at the time of their arrest. and it was a warm welcome in texas as some of our wounded warriors are getting ready to take part in this year's warriors 100 k. former president george w. bush will ride alongside them. it kicks off today and ends on saturday. we'll have much more on this very ride in the 8:00 hour eastern time on "fox & friends." gretch? >> well, you're about to see a shocking video. it's an e.p.a. official giving a speech in 2010 and telling the audience that the way that you deal with energy producers, domestically, is by crucifying them. listen to this. >> probably a little --

>> reaction to this video, oklahoma senator james imhoff took to the senate floor and said he wants to investigate the e.p.a. and their so-called crucifying strategies. joining us from washington is senator james imhoff. good morning to you, sir. >> good morning, gretchen. >> turns out that the e.p.a. administrator wishes he would have used different words other than crucify. what did he exactly mean by that? what's he trying to do? >> well, you know, he apologized for using that word. but he went on to say we want to vigorously enforce. let's keep in mind, this is all a part of obama's war on domestic energy. you know, he's the one who said that we had good, natural gas and all that. but we got to stop hydraulic fracking. this is the war on hydraulic fracking. you can't get one cubic foot of natural gas out of a tight formation without using hydraulic fracturing. look, this procedure was started in my state of oklahoma in 1949.

there's never been one documented case of groundwater contamination. that is what brings this up to what they're trying to do with the e.p.a., attacking these people. i use several examples on the floor but range resources in texas. they went after them and they actually threatened to send them a letter. they're going to fine them $50,000 a day, then, of course, the courts intervened and found they weren't guilty of anything. well, that's the tactics that have been used, the enforcement tactics of the e.p.a. >> so what is your accusation, that the president is pandering to environmentalists and to the e.p.a.? >> yeah. well, yeah, what he's doing is saying -- trying to make the public believe that he is for domestic energy and specifically natural gas and oil. and coal. but at the same time, he says that he's -- they're going to take over the regulation of process called hydraulic fracturing and that's the only way that you can get into these barge type formations so it's an

attack to try to satisfy both sides. he's whispering to the left, we'll stop them from doing this by stopping hydraulic fracturing and saying to the public at the same time, we're for natural gas and all that particularly with the high price of gas coming up and elections coming up, it's a big issue. >> here's that apology that we were alluding to at the top of this segment from the administrator in region 6 of the e.p.a. i apologize to those i have offended and regret my poor choice of words. it's interesting because when you see that video back from 2010, he almost says at the beginning, you know, i probably shouldn't be saying this but i will anyway. maybe thinking it would never get out there and that somebody like yourself wouldn't be looking into it? >> obviously, but keep in mind, he's talking to the people who are in enforcement and he's saying, he's kind of drawing the picture there of the romans crucifying the people in turkey as they go into these villages. crucifying the first five people they see, this is how they get

their attention, this is how we get -- so read the whole statement and it's pretty revealing. i think when we comes back and apologizes for using the word crucify, he's still getting his message across there. intimidation, threats. how would you feel if you received a letter from the e.p.a. saying they're going to fine you $50,000 a day? you'd be counting how many days is it i can stay in business? >> not many. >> another thing, how many people never -- just respond and go out of business? we don't know that. >> ok. senator james inhoff launching his own investigation into this. thanks for explaining this for us today. hello, air force and good-bye, bibles. atheists targeting the air force and now it may be working. and a stunning development of fast & furious scandal. key figure of the justice department stepping down but guess what? he already has a job somewhere else. is this yet another cover-up? setup? [ male announcer ] how do you trade?

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>> welcome back. you know those bibles you see in every hotel and motel room, they could be going away at least at u.s. air force bases. on-base lodging, that's because the service is bowing to pressure from an atheist group. joining us right now is former navy chaplain and head of the pray in jesus name project, doctor james kligginschmidt. >> good morning, steve and god bless you in jesus' name. can i say that on your show? >> if you can't see it here,

you can't say it anywhere. i understand the organization, military organization of atheists and free thinkers wrote a letter to the air force and said, you know, in on-base housing there's always a bible there. we think that's unfair. it's a privilege for christians and should be taking out. now the air force has responded how. >> well, they've taken it off the checklist so that people who monitor those rooms will no longer take the bible if it's out of place. the atheist complainers instead of doing something positive maybe providing their own books. they've defined themselves as against god, against the bible and against christianity and now they're infringing on the rights of 85% of our troops who self-identify as christians, they should have the right to have bibles in those rooms. courts have said that when a military member leaves home, they have a right to a military chaplain. why don't they have a right to a bible anymore?

>> that's a good point. going forward now since it's off the checklist of the things to check this they're cleaning up on-base housing they won't check to see if there's a gideon's bible there anymore. if somebody takes it with them, that room, never a new one, right? >> well, that's right. if the bible is removed or if it's thrown in the trash by some atheist that doesn't like it, that bible will not be replaced. everyone should donate to the gideons. these are usually older men, many military veterans who spend their own money to provide bibles for typical hotels around the country. if you can go -- if a civilian can into a hotel and find a bible there, why can't a military person go in and find the same bible? they won't have access to those military bases unless they can get on base. that's why they need the government to help and facilitate the placement of the bibles by the gideons for free to help our troops when they're away from home. >> ok. so the air force has not demanded that the bibles have been removed but removed the

requirement that the bibles be in the room. did the atheists win in this? >> yes, and i think it signals a trend. we are directly blaming the secretary of the air force, michael donnelly who is a pushover in this case. this is the fourth time in the last year that he has caved into atheists complainers. they've taken opus day, reference to god off air force patches, they have stopped air force cadets from participating in operation christmas child. >> it's a long list. and it's something that you're very concerned with and that's why we're glad that you would join us today. chaplain joining us from colorado springs. thanks for telling the story, sir. >> thank you. god bless you, bye-bye. >> god bless you as well. the white house sending joe biden out to attack mitt romney on foreign policy. remember when biden said the taliban wasn't our enemy? i am a bigger is better kind of guy. i absolutely love building locomotives. i knew i wanted to design locomotives from when i was very young.

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playing attack dog on mitt romney's foreign policy. remember when biden said that the taliban wasn't our enemy? people are asking if he's really the best one to do the criticizing now. michelle malkin has comments about it. moments away. >> ok, a stunning development in the fast & furious scandal. a key figure stepping down but given a job elsewhere and a good one. is this another cover-up we ask? >> and it's the first time it's ever been done successfully. a kidney rejected by one patient and then taken and transplanted into another. that's fantastic. you're watching "fox & friends" hour two live from new york starting right now. >> break out the snorkle gear because we're going to be going underwater. >> we are? >> yep. with jack hanna. >> you know, we often say certain people are in the tank for other people. jack hanna is in the tank right now at sea world for us.

good morning, jack. can you hear us? wave if you can hear us. >> yeah. is he stuck? i think he's running out of air. >> is there a lifeguard? >> he's going to tell us the amazing, new sea turtle exhibit. >> right. >> that's going to be happening down at sea world. >> fantastic. >> that's great. meanwhile, we have headlines for you and a huge guest list to get to. >> we have a brand new terror warning to tell you about this morning, the feds saying a lone wolf type terrorist could attack on may 1st, the one year anniversary of the u.s. raid that killed usama bin laden. right now, there are no specific or credible threats but there is some evidence or they wouldn't be giving out the warning. al-qaida has warned it would seek some kind of revenge for bin laden's death as well as the accidental burning of qurans. the parents speaking for the first time making a plea for

their daughter's safe return. >> please, please, to the person who persons who have isabelle, tell us your demands. tell us what you want. we will do anything for her and we will never give up! we will never give up looking for you! >> isabelle's parents say she was snatched from her bedroom friday night in tucson. investigators say the little girl's window was open and a screen was missing. they now hope surveillance footage from the neighborhood will help them search. police not naming any suspects at this time. but have not ruled out the girl's parents. today, the defense will continue its cross-examination of john edwards' former aide, andrew young, in day 4 of edwards' corruption trial. yesterday, young detailed how he helped the former democratic presidential candidate cover up his affair with rielle hunter even after dropping out of the 2008 presidential race. edwards is accused of using more than a million dollars to keep

him quiet. proof that some things are better the second time around. you're looking at ray ferring there in the center, his sister kara donated a kidney to him. his body rejected it. ray then donated the kidney to irman gomez, the guy on the left. his body accepted the kidney. this is a first time that a kidney has been successfully retransplanted. this medical miracle happening at northwestern hospital. >> does he need a kidney still? >> i don't know if he goes to the top now. >> he should stay at the top. michelle malkin is with us. >> thanks for having me back. >> it was my decision. these two were against it. i'll tell you later. we'll write a blog on it. let's talk about the fast and furious scandal. we have to talk about it amongst that new director because the guy is gone. >> yeah, this is ronald wiek who

made the very fateful and deceptive, disgustingly deceptive decision to sign a letter with false information that was submitted to charles grassley denying that the department of justice knew that gun walking, in other words government sponsored gun trafficking across the border, by the way, could make gun dealers look bad so they can implement anti-gun policies, of course, and then admitted many, many months later that that information in the letter was false. so now this guy -- >> and now this guy, you know, given the fact that he sent two high ranking government officials something that was completely bogus, now it turns out he's going to go run the university of baltimore law school. here's what their president said. during this time of considerable transition in legal education and the legal profession, it's important to have leadership with integrity and vision. ron white embodies those qualities. you'd agree with that, wouldn't

you? >> not really. and i would think as a condition of admission that every potential applicant should at least read my friend katie pavlik's amazing expose, outrageous expose on fast & furious which she rightly called obama's bloodiest scandal. and this is really classic washington way. screw up, move up, cover up. because while ronald wike may be the fall guy for the obama administration, it's really his boss, lanny brewer, the supervisor at the -- at d.o.j. who reviewed, according to pavlik, every single word of that false letter before it went out and these people got away with saying that there was no deliberate misleading of congress or the american people. >> all right. so the boss above brewer would be eric holder who, of course, is the attorney general of this land. i want you to take a look at the fox news poll recently just taken. about what should happen to attorney general holder.

should he be held responsible for operation fast & furious. 34% say he should be fired. 32% reprimanded and not fired. 12% no action. and big number down there, 22% unsure. what do you make of that? >> well, first of all, i think that those poll results are very heartening. and i think you have to credit people like katie pavlik and fox news and the second amendment bloggers and whistle blowers at the a.t.f. behind the scenes and who put their lives on the line to tell the truth about this story. there have been very few mainstream media outlets that have been able to do this and i think that the fact that you have that much public knowledge out there shows you that this scandal has traction and now what we need to have are more people on capitol hill who reflect the views of the american people on holding the obama administration and particularly eric holder accountable. >> all right, let's talk about foreign policy because the president had the vice president go out or his re-election committee did and talk about mitt romney's idea of a foreign

policy. joe biden is doing the attacking. should the vice president of the united states be doing the attacking looking at his resume? because, as you know, michelle, he has a few issues. for example, his idea about iraq. let's break it up and partition it. i don't think that would work. >> yes. >> remember what he said about the taliban. he said look, the taliban per se are not our enemy. >> not, right. exactly and, of course, joe biden was one of the leading opponents of the surge before he belatedly was for it after it became clear that under bush, it was a success and the american people supported it. but even suffering a part of that, we have the public knowledge now that president obama himself is not a fan of joe biden's speeches. i think it was jim garotti at national viewpointed out that one of these mainstream reporter's recent books about obama recounted an incident where obama was sitting there listening to some droning speech and said and i quote, in a

little note to one of his aides "shoot me now." to joe biden. >> that's great. >> wouldn't they -- first of all, vice president is usually the attack dog, right? >> yeah. >> before joe biden became vice president, he was known as a relatively strong force in foreign policy, right? i mean, that's one of the reasons that obama picked him. >> chairman of the foreign relations committee. >> yeah, right. that was the perception on capitol hill anyway. i think the more important thing here, of course, is that as usual, the democrats in the white house are reactive. they are reactive to the agenda setting of the republicans and the republican primaries. >> i don't know. there's a new poll out, new fox news poll out, michelle, that shows that it is a dead heat. 46-46, romney and barack obama. but when it comes to the independents, romney is ahead by 13 so i think as long as we talk

about the economy, romney wins. what does the administration do? let's change the subject. let's talk foreign policy. joe, get out there and go bite romney. >> that's a good point, steve. and i think, of course, today, joe biden is going to do his best olympic ice skater impression and pivot seriously for this white house. >> you know, just amazing, too, he ripped romney for doing stuff that i don't think the american people will be against, getting tougher on iran, described russia without question as the number one geopolitical fall, haven't they been, decry president obama's quick withdrawal from iraq. didn't he leave there quickly? mitt romney was against negotiating with the taliban over in cutter and he says china is a currency manipulator. that's pretty much where a lot of america feels. >> yes and i think the word for this is fail! if the intention is to try to marginalize mitt romney, then the more that joe biden runs his mouth as he will today, the better for the republicans. i think this, again, over the

last four years what we've discovered, joe biden is the republican party's best friend. >> we showed you the picture yesterday of air force one over the rainbow, beautiful shot. michelle, i didn't know what an artist you are. what did you decide to do with it? >> not me. i actually crowd sourced out a contest. i do this at michellemalkin.com fairly frequently. they're wonderfully talented creative people out there sick and tired of all the worship of the media, of obama. when i saw the picture, it immediately occurred to us this was a great opportunity for photo shopping so i did a little contest and the top three entries included photo shopping a leprachan and photo shopping a unicorn and then, of course, making obama the unicorn stealing the pot of gold from the real leprachan. >> oh, man. >> there it is. >> there it is! >> doing the heisman.

>> oh, boy! >> i saw some other funny ones on your web site as well. one with inexplicably just a gopher. >> from the love boat? >> no, that was a member of congress. this is a gopher. >> before you go, i know you had supported rick santorum. now that he's out of the race, are you endorsing mitt romney? >> well, i'm going to wait until the convention. i think that, you know, i think that the path looks fairly clear. and i think particularly when we think about the fast & furious scandal and all the scandals under it, that anybody but obama is going to be their rallying cry of the republican party for sure. >> so you're going to wait in case ron paul has a surge? >> i don't think he'd take my endorsement if i gave it to him. >> we'd take your endorsement. that's why you join us every thursday from colorado springs. see you later. >> you bet. take care. >> wait four more months and she'll -- >> there you go. why hurry?

>> coming up next on the rundown, the supreme court tackling arizona's immigration law but the justices may already have kind of given us a hint as to what they're thinking. legal analyst peter johnson jr. takes a look at it next. >> here's something you don't see every day, runaway dog on the runway. have you seen my lost luggage? i know my plane isn't moving because you won't move. >> here, dog. come on! [ nadine ] buzzzz, bzzzz, bzzzz, bzzzz,

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>> good morning. >> there are four parts of the bill -- of the law that they're considering and you just told me you think at least two could be struck down. >> you know, you listen to the supreme court justices yesterday and i read the transcript, every bit of it. you can't watch it live. hopefully there will be a day that you can watch it live. because it would encourage a lot of americans who say yeah, maybe i should have some confidence in at least one branch of our government. the supreme court was not buying it. and they were not buying it on both sides. >> no wonder kagan got out. >> sotomayor said at one point, you're not selling it very well, chief justice roberts made it clear that he believed that the government really doesn't want to know who is here illegally and that may be their impetus to arizona's law to the government. arizona says we're doing what the federal government is doing. the federal government said as part of their argument, really? we want to do it when we want to

do it. we really haven't done it so well, they wouldn't acknowledge that but it's up to us to decide when we should do it but you people don't be doing it. we're in charge of the foreign policy power of america to which justice scalia said whose foreign policy are we trying to satisfy? mexico's? he basically said that, i mean, that's a paraphrase of what he said. so it was not in the way of the government. >> obama's lawyer chokes again was the headline yesterday. we're talking about donald varelli, he was playing the fear card big time yesterday. >> playing the fear card big time. he talked about "mass incarceration." >> what is he talking about? >> sending the message that somehow illegal immigrants would be rounded up. he didn't say rounded up but when you talk about mass incarceration of people and then the court asked him, in fact, justice breyer asked him, how long does it take? he basically said i don't have a

problem with this reasonable suspicion and checking people, their i.d.'s. >> no one seemed to have a problem. >> how long will it take to find out whether they're here or not legally or not? and the government's lawyer, the solicitor general said about 70 minutes. so 70 minutes does not equate to mass incarceration of thousands of illegal immigrants. so the government have very, very difficult time and it was unexpected that they would with a couple of members on the left who seem to be perplexed by why they were really there yesterday. >> and the message wasn't very clear because at one point, sotomayor herself said i'm terribly confused by your answer. >> justice kennedy talked about the social and economic destruction of illegal immigrants in arizona and other states. that seemed to be a focus of the court and they seemed to nld the argument that arizona has made with regard to the disasterous

consequences they may face as a result of continuing illegal immigration and a federal effort to do nothing. >> yeah. no kidding. while you were busy yesterday reading the supreme court transcript, peter johnson jr., thank you very much. >> thank you. >> like a bad divorce, thousands of union workers want out of one of the largest unions in the united states. the problem is they're stuck! and the union just keeps taking their money. then from out in the wild to urged the sea. jack hanna joins us live from sea world's latest and greatest attraction. good morning, jack! ♪ beth! hi! looking good. you've lost some weight. thanks. you noticed. these clothes are too big, so i'm donating them. how'd you do it? eating right -- whole grain. [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't. multi-grain cheerios --

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>> time for news by the numbers. first, 16,000, that's how many deportation's ice are temporarily suspending as part of a program by the obama administration to allow nonviolent illegals to stay in the united states. >> next, 29,000. that's how many members of the army may lose their jobs because of budget cuts. that includes some of our nation's bravest soldiers who served multiple tours in iraq and afghanistan. and finally, 15 minutes. that's how long several flights of new york's laguardia airport were delayed after a dog escaped from the traveling crate and ran out to the runway. dog was eventually caught. that's the owner, by the way, coaxing him back into his cage. don't see that every day. wild kingdom. >> usually when we visit jack hanna, he's playing around with mountain lions or bears. today, jack is actually under the water at sea world. >> like housing in this country, the park's new attraction turtle trek opens today and features

the world's first 3d, 360 degree dome theater. jack, first off, are you ok? >> yes. the weather down here is wet. >> very cute, jack. >> all right. i know you're really, really excited about this because of all the animals and creatures in the world you have a special affinity for sea turtles, right? >> right. i've taken care of sea turtles all over the world. being here is one of highlights of my life. these animals have been around for 200 million years and they're a beautiful, gentle creature and they suffered so much from plastic bags in the ocean and all sorts of things and here at sea world with this new 3d film they have, they'll show you what the sea turtle faces when they're attached on the beach and they try to get to the beach, not even 10% make it to the beach and, of course, then they have to put up with the ocean and all the things there. so it's a great, great place to learn more about this magnificent animal. >> why don't they make it to the beach? because people like to use them

as lunch? >> first off, some people eat the eggs before the turtle even hatches. in costa rica, i was there one time and the big birds like buzzards and things have come down and grabbed the little turtles and only 10% of them, like 300 ever made it. and over the ocean is tough and of course, i don't know if you heard this or not but all the sea world parks, not having anymore plastic bags which are saving about four million a year plastic bags not going in the ocean. >> are those leatherbacks in there? >> no, these are green sea turtles. all these have been rescued by sea world. they rescued over 1,200 in the last, i don't know how many years. it's a beautiful thing we do to get them back out in the wild. >> uh-huh. >> jack, are they friendly? i mean, could you grab one and buzz around the water? >> no, no, you can't grab one, no. you just sit here and look at these creatures. whenever i see them, i never try to touch them or anything.

just to be here with a sea turtle that big, are you kidding me? look at this. this is absolutely amazing that people sit here and swim with an animal that has to suffer so much for no reason whatsoever. absolutely unbelievable. isn't it? >> it is. and jack, you sound like darth vader a little bit. >> what? >> exactly. you sound like darth vader. brian said. >> oh, you know you should come down here some day and see what it's like to be a sea turtle. >> i really should. and just go to sea world to make that happen. >> he always sells it very well, doesn't he? >> absolutely. jack hanna, have a great day. thank you so much for telling us about this new program down there. >> thank you for having us. see you later! >> nothing jack hanna won't do. meanwhile, straight ahead on this show, something tells me popeye would not be happy with this one. the feds sinking your money into converting spinach into an energy source. >> and we've all seen this money laying on the ground. what would you do?

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wafers that are energy intensive to produce and capable of producing electricity. >> they're substituting spinach for wafers. >> they're very expensive. >> see if that's effective. get to the jacob javits center in new york city, there's a convention going on. always a convention going on. the big focus is on green energy and new technology. >> and bill o'reilly sent his man jesse watters from watters world over and you know what? it didn't end well for jesse. watch. >> what's your ideal green home look like? >> create your own electricity through rain water. >> you must be kidding. >> i think solar power is great. >> solar panels sound great. >> the homes made of bamboo. >> bamboo. >> see what i mean? >> i think wind power is great. windmills in the front lawn. >> i think it's cool. >> yeah, wonder who could have done a thing like that. >> in terms of lawns, too, i

don't think we need to have lawns. why don't we turn that front space into a garden? >> not going to work. >> it would look a little bit like a tree house. >> like a hobbitt. >> similar to a hobbitt. the feature is log cabins. >> future is the past. >> we're sending you back to the future! >> bill o'reilly sends his warmest regards. how do you think the president is doing so far? >> i think the president is doing very well. >> gas is going down. happy with this president. >> when are we going to get you on "the factor". you're not dodging the factor. >> see those wonderful people right there? >> what is the green bed this>> natural latex. >> what are they made out of? >> cotton, natural fibers many i like that. >> what's going on here? >> this bed costs what compared to a normal bed? >> $1700 up to $4500. >> this particular light bulb that i have in my hand is $40. >> $40? >> $40. >> but it lasts 32 years.

>> you sell paper, what are they made out of? >> they're actually made from elephant dung. >> i think that in the future, americans will be wearing recycled clothing. >> what if it was a black tie event? do i have to wear a recycled tux? >> are people going to be drinking this in the future? >> absolutely! >> we are a party in your mouth! isn't that fun? >> it's a party in my mouth. >> i would like to extend an invitation to the party. >> i think it's important that we speak to each other. >> i will. >> like i said, what we're doing is it's a -- no. no. we did this with the car show last week here. >> what will power the home of the future? >> definitely solar panels. >> underneath from the earth. >> i'm kind of a fan of electricity. >> don't say that too loud around here.

>> that's an attention getter. >> do you see in the future us washing our dishes by hand? >> we wash all dishes by hand. >> pretty cool, i guess. >> you ever watch the o'reilly factor? >> i don't watch much tv to be honest. >> hi, bill oochl at factor is on at my house quite a bit. >> what's the favorite part of the show? >> the end. >> can't watch the o'reilly factor because it uses electricity to run your television. >> can't do that. by the way, olivia newton john from the john travolta clip will be here tomorrow. >> shes a new cookbook coming out. guess who will be here 20 minutes from now, bill o'reilly will be on the couch and discussing the news of the day with us. >> we have news of the day with your headlines and a possible breakthrough in the case of missing madeleine mccann. investigators say the little girl who disappeared while on vacation with her family in portugal nearly five years ago may be living with her abductor. scotland yard releasing this picture of what she's believed

to look like today. they plan to investigate things portuguese police failed to consider including cell phone evidence. for the first time, they'll attempt to contact anyone who was staying at the resort when madeleine disappeared. she was 3 years old when she went missing from her parents' hotel room. they were out having dinner with friends nearby. >> disturbing story out of southern new jersey now. a teacher accused of bullying a young student who has autism. the 10-year-old's father suspected something was wrong. so he sent him to school, his son, with a digital recorder hidden in his pocket and what he heard was shocking. >> the recordings didn't stop there. audio goes on to record the

teacher and aide talking about students' parents, even their alcohol consumption. the boy's father took the tape to the cherry hill school district and they immediately fired the aide but the teacher was transferred and she's allowed to stay in the classroom because of tenure. his dad is now pushing for legislation to fire any teacher who bullies a student regardless of tenure or union contracts. >> ok. meanwhile, looks like a bad divorce. that's what some members of the service employees international union in fresno, california, say they're going through right now. about 1,000 members in the department of social services want to leave the union but the union won't let them go. the workers recently had their pay cut 9%. the disgruntled union members say one of the reasons they want out is the lack of transparency with the union. >> forget about finders keepers. police in pennsylvania arresting a woman after she picked up $2300 in cash she found on the floor of a convenience store. the problem -- well, cops say

surveillance video makes it very clear she saw the customer who dropped the dough and had a responsibility to return it to that customer. so there's the other side of the story. >> oh, man. >> meanwhile, let's take a look at the weather on this thursday. for now, you got to see this. nasa releasing a brand new animation that shows the world over a two year period. it almost looks like a moving van. like a moving van gogh painting. yeah, it kind of does. like starry night. the video compiled using a variety of satellite images. that is really cool. meanwhile, let's go to the radar and the satellite, we've put them together to show you what the image looks like right now. a lot of rain through portions of the mid atlantic and up to the great lakes and wet out west. let's go to brian kilmeade who has a couple of big stars with him. >> what have we been talking about all week? the nfl draft has taken over the number one city in the world, new york city. it's become the super bowl here that will be here in a cull of

years fortunately . joining us now is a friend of "fox & friends" who is all over the sports world because they trust you, rich. >> absolutely. >> talking about insurance in the future and now, a future multimillionaire to my immediate left and your immediate right, muhammad santu, former rutgers wide receiver. you left after your junior year and you're pretty excited today, correct? >> i'm very excited, you know. it's the day you've been dreaming about your whole life and finally get this opportunity, got to make the best of it. >> richard, how can you possibly advise somebody whose life is going to dramatically change so much. muhammad will get drafted late in the first round, early second from a college kid putting on a meal plan to this. >> you know what? it happens every year. so it's just another in the long line of success stories that hangs out with me. >> so muhammad, when did you realize this is possible for you? i know you always dream of the nfl. when did they start talking to you like you're an nfl prospect?

>> my freshman year in college, talked to my college coach and said you'll have that opportunity. so i didn't really, you know, hone it in and embrace it until my junior year when i realized i had this opportunity. >> right. and then all of a sudden, they say ok, you're an outstanding college player. go to the combines. go interview with the teams. when you look at the combines, describe for an outsider what it's like being on the inside, then. >> it's a very, you know, taxing on you. it's a long process. you're up all day. you don't get that much sleep. you're meeting with so many different teams. and seeing so many different people that you'll see on tv and it's just a process that you love to go through but, you know, wouldn't like to go through also. >> where is this guy going to end up? >> wishfully thinking, of course, across the street over there, wearing big blue. but you know what? we'll wait and see. wherever he goes, that team that gets him will be very happy. >> it's going to be -- you'll be wearing somebody's cap hopefully today. the first round is selected

today, thursday beginning probably at 8:00 tonight here in new york city. >> absolutely. >> all right, muhammad and rich, thanks so much for coming down. >> thanks for having us. >> back inside. >> and good luck as well. thanks, bri. >> president obama and mitt romney agree on freezing the student loan rate. are student loans the next housing bubble? andrea tantaros here to tackle that issue. >> that would explain why she's waving. we told you about it, bill o'reilly at the top of the hour, he'll weigh in on this. wind energy to keep the postal service afloat. not hot air. just regular air. all multivitamins give me the basics. they claim to be complete. only centrum goes beyond.

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>> 45 minutes after the top of the hour. welcome back, everyone. political battle over student loans now heating up. both sides want to freeze interest rates to keep them from jumping to the scheduled 6.8% on july 1st but a larger issue is being ignored. with all the unpaid debt from the student loans, could it be the next bubble like the housing bubble? joining us now with more on this the co-host of "the five" andrea tantaros. good morning. >> good morning. >> i know you've written an article in "the daily news" in new york city, nobody has looked into this. everybody is in agreement, let's reduce the loan, the interest rates for kids. but what effect does that have on tuition? >> well, it makes student loans easier. it's cheap, easy credit which that's what got us into the mortgage meltdown. so what the president is doing and if republicans go along with him, they're making it easier for future student, not students that have already graduated to go out and get student loans at a cheap and easy rate.

not everybody should be taking out these loans, gretchen. and think about it, the real issue here is if you're a university, a college or university, what's to stop you from raising your tuition every year? this is just a symptom of the larger problem. and that's rising tuition rates. and that affects everybody. now, student loan debt has actually surpassed credit card debt in this country. a lot of people don't know that. >> since 2000 it was 202.9 billion, 2005, $391 billion. by 2011, $848 billion. now, here's the thing. there's also an increase in the federal loans that students are taking out as opposed to private loans. >> that's right. >> that means they can default on those, right? who pays for that? >> think about it. in fall, remember the president came out with his student loan forgiveness act and what he did is he reduced the rates on student loans a little bit making it easier for them. what he also did, was he made it so after 20 years, gretchen, government would pick up the tab. what incentive is it for students to pay off those loans?

where do those loans go? right on to the federal balance sheet. you and i pay for them and ironically the students he's trying to help, the next generation, they'll be stuck with the tab so this is just blowing up what i'll call the higher education bubble. it's the next one to burst. gretchen, it's a huge, huge issue and again, no party and i think republicans should join this fight but -- and democrats should stand up and check colleges and universities. why do they keep jacking up the cost of tuition? climbing walls and latte bars, these kids are studying the most ridiculous topics. >> here the stark reality. the average $8222 a year for public. $28,500 for public and that's on average. what's going to have to happen, andrea? who is going to step up to the plate to actually check tuition? >> this would be such a winning issue for somebody like mitt romney. it really would. or republicans. now, what they're doing in congress, they're figuring how to pay for this interest rate

reduction. gretchen, it's rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. right? this is not mixing the real problems. nobody wants the interest rates to go up. the bigger issue is how do students and parents pay for higher education? it's the biggest stickup in this country what the university are doing and someone needs to stand up and do something about it. >> check out andrea's column today in "the daily news." see you on "the five" as well. he's known as the villian from "survivor" but now he's trying to get the economy back on track. he's flipping houses and helping to get the economy back on track and he joins us live next. but first on this day in history in 1987 cutting crew had the number one song with "i just died in your arms tonight." that was such a great tune. wasn't it? sat there and ruminated on that for a while. [ male announcer ] what can you do with plain white rice?

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>> he's one of "survivor's" most notorious tv villians. after three tours of the show, he's in a more risky proposition, house flipping with his bro. >> you have a problem with disrespecting, you ain't my boss! >> 50/50 partner. >> i'm your boss. >> get it into your thick skull! >> i'm still your boss. you ain't my boss. respect me as a brother. don't talk to me stupid. my role is to tell you what to do or you ain't going to get it done right! >> you can only get away with yelling at somebody like that if he's your brother and the show is called "flipped off" and russell hance joins us right now. what are you and your brother yelling about? >> shawn, he thinks he can be the inspector to the houses.

he thinks he knows a little more than what he really knows. and i'm there to -- i'm there to put him in his place, you know, you have to have a little brother like that, you know? >> so, you know, you're a reality star already. never won "survivor" but you want to take your business sense and bring it to flipping houses. >> right. >> in houston, but what do you know about this? >> i don't know anything about it. >> fantastic! >> what i do know is i have a business sense to where it's like people are making multimillion dollars in real estate. i'm in the oil business already. so i figured, do i want to be rubbing elbows with the trumps and everybody else i might as well get into the real estate and i think that you have to start somewhere. >> sure. >> our houses are massive, they're really nice. it's not something regular little bitty show that we're just painting it and putting carpet in. >> so this is a show where you flip the house -- what are you doing there? >> what is happening? is that your brother? >> he took off his clothes. >> yeah, he's -- i accidentally hit a water line.

>> i guess so. >> and he's in the water. >> so your brother has got to clean up your mess. >> he's your older brother. >> he's my older brother. you know, the thing that i -- i thought it was easy because you see it, you see it all the time on tv. it seems easy but it's not easy. >> hit a pipe. >> so is the real estate market getting to the point where you can make money flipping house or that's what we're going to find out in the series? >> i think the market is coming back especially in houston. you got to realize, houston, people like to forget about it, but it's the fourth biggest city in the united states. and you know, there's medical centers right there. oil money. >> i only go where i know i can sell the homes. i've sold every single home that i've bought. and some of them i sold before i even put it on the market. >> that whole aura and label of the evil guy, does it fit? is that just work for you on "survivor" or do you find yourself evil in other aspect? >> if you cheat in real life, you end up in prison but i'm

aggressive by nature and i think it helps me in the business sense. you know, in my oil business, i sit there with ceo's of exxon, i got to be able to put my face on and tell them what they need. i got to tell them what they have to have. this is why you need me. >> so on this show, it's you, your brother shawn and the pretty real estate agent kristin, right? >> kristin, brady, shawn my big brother and me. >> got three houses. how many do you think you're going to do? you've made $30,000 in profit already, right? where is this going? >> i want to start flipping major, major projects. i want to do multimillion dollar projects. >> you want to make steve an offer on his house? he's looking to bail out. >> yeah, my wife is out of town for the day. honey, we're moving! >> check out the show on a&e called "flipped off" the premiere is saturday at 10:00. tune in to see shawn. >> kristin. >> and you clean up the mess. >> it's very impressive show. >> i wouldn't get in that water for a million dollars. >> yeah, you would.

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apply online or at a bank of america near you. ♪ >> gretchen: good morning, everyone. it's thursday, april 26. i hope you're going to have a great day. i'm gretchen carlson. brand-new calls for an investigation into president obama. a is he unfairly using taxpayer money to travel the country on what appears to be a campaign? we will report and ousted. >> steve: the government blowing your money yet again, this time

by bailing out the postal service. did you don't worry, the feds have a plan to keep it going. wind power. yes, i said wind power. not hot air. wind power, brian. >> brian: and by the way, there is no crying in baseball, right? that fall, unless a grown woman rob has foul ball from that small child. "fox & friends" now. >> gretchen: you know when would never do that? bill o'reilly would never do that, would you, bill? >> steve: take the ball away from a little kid? >> gretchen: you would never do that. i can't believe that woman did that! she almost taunted him by holding it like this, yep, i got it. >> brian: it's rough world. it's about time the kid learns he's not going to get everything

he wants. >> steve: suck it up! >> may i sit down now? >> gretchen: not yet. i have to read headlines first. >> steve: stay southwest erred. brand-new terror warning coming from the feds. they say a lone wolf type terrorist could attack on may 1 which is the one year anniversary of the raid that killed osama bin laden. right now there are no specific or credible threats being reported, but al-qaeda has warned it would seek some kind of revenge for bin laden's death, as well as the accidental burning of those korans by u.s. soldiers in february. the arizona immigration law now in the hands of the supreme court and already several justices on both sides of the aisle are signaling they're going to uphold at least part of it. you remember this measure was signed back in 2010, but before it could take effect, the obama administration filed a lawsuit blocking several key parts, the most notable, a provision that requires police to check each and every suspect's immigration status even if they're stopped

for a routine traffic violation. the score says it will likely have a definite decision by june. that will have a huge impact on states all across the country. coming up, we'll talk to arizona senator john mccain and get his view on all of this. president obama has been making visits across the country and to some, they look and sound like campaign rallies. rnc chairman calling on the office to investigate if he's campaigning on your dime. >> this president has taken campaigning and put it on steroids and sent it to the moon and back and there does reach a point where you're facing the law and you're crossing the line as to what's reasonable and what's not. when you do three -- >> gretchen: the white house denying any of the trips were political. it says travel allows him to get outside of washington, d.c hear from students, meet with troops, veterans and military families. it is likewise part of the president's official responsibility.

when there is political travel, we follow the rules. rangers first baseman toss ago foul ball into the stands. there is a little boy there, but nope. the grownup in the other seat decides to keep the ball. and she even shows it off. you can see how crushed the little boy it that he didn't get the ball, tears running down. to make matters worse, the guy gives the ball to the woman. okay. that's how it happened. that guy actually got it examine gave it to the woman and they started taking pictures. someone in the rangers dugout gave the little boy another ball after seeing what happens. >> brian: what a great story. >> steve: look who joined us on the curvy couch, bill o'reilly. why don't you have a couch on your show? >> i'd fall asleep in the million dollar of the program. >> steve: scoot toward us. >> you? >> steve: that's why i'm here and producers want to you scoot

closer. >> i have in my contract that i can't get more than three feet away from doocy. >> gretchen: now you'll move over? >> yeah. >> gretchen: now we're on to something (. >> steve: congratulations. "killing lincoln" on the best seller list. alex trebek said it was the last book he read and it was fantastic. >> gretchen: and killing kentucky is coming up? >> in october. >> gretchen: you know what's happening now is that we're going to be looking at the polls ad nausea. looks like mitt romney has commanding lead, 46 to 43. what do you make of that? >> gas prices. that's all gas prices right there. people are furious that all of a

sudden, they have to pay a buck more for gas. so independents obviously don't have an ideological play in the campaign. they vote on emotion. they're getting hurt. so they're going away from the president because he doesn't seem to have any solutions. >> brian: or he has too many solutions. >> but it's all bs, you know that. >> brian: i guess people aren't buying it then. he's tried four different ways, four different major announcements about gas price. >> the only way to cut down gas prices in america that he can do is to introduce legislation to get behind it to make it harder to speculate, to make it harder for these guys who buy and sell on paper and drive up and down the price to do so. they could do that, but he hasn't so far. >> steve: i'm sure you heard the now presumtive nomination mitt romney, a couple of nights ago as he pretty much has made it clear that in november there will be a clear choice between him and barak obama. do you think people will see as

clear choice? >> i think so, doocy. you don't have a more stark choice. a marketeer, and a big market guy. everybody knows it. it's basically how many guys can i get in each tent? romney is going to channel ronald reagan. whatever ronald reagan did in 1980 to defeat jimmy carter, that's what romney is going to do. you just heard it. better off than you were four years ago. the same slogan. it speaks eerie the country is in almost the same position as it was 32 years ago. but he's being urged not to make personal. he doesn't have to. the pacs will do it. >> brian: stay above the fray? >> they both will. they'll get their digs in, but won't go out with a knife because they have these giant pacs that will rip them up new england patriots last night you made the point, aren't we edging

toward the 50% threshold where half of the country is getting a handout? >> we're already there. >> gretchen: once we're there, those people vote, isn't it inevitable that they vote for president obama who is the provider? >> that's what happened in western europe. that's what happened in greece ask italy and spain and portugal and all those countries. they, the politicians in those countries, said to the people, we'll take care of you, cradle to grave, if you vote for us. now they're all bankrupt and going off a cliff. so we have to basically, in america, decide what kind of country we want to be. do we want to be self-reliant. if you are self-reliant, some people are going down. people are going down. all right? because that's the way it is. or do you want to emulate what's going on in western europe? we don't have enough money to do that here. so $16 trillion in debt and that's going to go over the cliff. so i think mitt romney, if he can harness basically the reality situation where everybody can understand, he's got a very good chance. barak obama is a better campaigner than he is.

>> steve: what would you do, the senate has apparently passed a bill that would give the u.s. postal service a life line. we're going to bail them out to the tune of $11 billion. that's the case you're make. we've run out of dough. >> in this country, $11 billion is like 40 cents. so if you're going to bail out post office for 11 billion, you bail them out. the thing about the post office that's instructive and interesting, and i like the post office, is they did not anticipate how e-mail was going to impact them. >> steve: changed everything. >> that's what the federal government does. they don't think -- they're so busy being in the hot tubs in vegas, which takes a lot of energy. have you been in the hot tub? they don't think ahead! e-mail is going to hurt us because people are going to use fewer stamps. they couldn't put that together! >> gretchen: i'm going to take to you task on this because i think it's more than just people not sending mail snail mail. it's all these pensions we're

giving to postal workers. to give a bailout to that, then it's more -- >> what are you going to do? close them down? >> gretchen: i don't know. >> you're from minute money. there are a lot of people in rural minnesota who need the post office. >> gretchen: that's why the senate voted yes on this. >> $11 billion is nothing. but they got to manage it better. they got to put people in will who know what they're doing to stop -- >> gretchen: would you put it in the fine print, if you manage better -- >> you got to give them the $11 billion. then replace the people there and manage it better. >> brian: back to horse, enough cars. back to the upon express. that's when everything made sense. here is a senator, tom carper, who said this is why we should bail the post office out. it's all going to work out thanks to wind. in fact, we don't have it anymore. >> let me explain it. all right. crazy liberal congressman from delaware says that there is going to be wind mills from maine to key west in five years or four years. and that the wind that generates

all this energy is going to be stored in post office vehicles. okay? then they basically removed them. they strapped him up and he's in some undisclosed location. but this is the thinking of a lot of the green people. all right? that we're all going to live in tree houses. >> steve: they really believe it's all going to work out. >> the true believers. and they're going to take the taxpayer money. >> steve: to change everything. >> i hope they do get wind mills and wind energy. but our pal, t. boon pickens tried it and got his butt kicked. it's not that easy. >> brian: he also moved to natural gas, which probably is his gold mine. let's talk about president obama's use of the career and life and presidency of president lynn coin. from what you've studied in "killing lincoln," are there similarities between the two? >> no. i wouldn't say similarities between barak obama and abraham lincoln, no. but what the president is trying to do -- >> steve: both from illinois.

>> he's trying to basically tell the american people that he is a fan of abraham lincoln, he admires him because lincoln was the best president in american history. he's trying to get that in to his repertoire and say lincoln did this. the difference between barak obama and lincoln is lincoln wasn't really a politician. he really wasn't. he's a guy, he got elected. one term in congress before he was president. he came in and handed the worst plate you could possibly be handed, the civil war. he did it almost by himself keeping the nation together. he did it basically saying, i'm going to do what i think is right and i don't really care about the repercussions. politicians today it's the exact opposite. what the repercussions are dictate what is i'm going to do. that's why i wrote this book, so you know what true leadership is. >> gretchen: i think president obama thinks that he is that person. one term in the senate, doing what he believes is best for the country. >> if president obama were to really read "killing lincoln"

and start to run the country the way lincoln did, then we'd be better off. that's not a slap at mr. obama. the management style of barak obama is a lot different than lincoln. >> steve: he doesn't even have to read it because i think there's a book on tape and you can read it to him. >> whatever it is, i sent it to him free, by the way. >> steve: did you? >> i did. and i did that because when i interviewed him for the super bowl, he took me, the president, up to the lincoln bedroom to see the gety burg address written by lincoln. and to return the favor, i sent him the book. >> steve: that's very kind of you. >> that's the kind of guy i am. >> brian: all your books are best sellers. >> thank you. >> brian: for 30 weeks. how do you -- when you closed this and put the cover on, i know you did it on each individual one, did you say best seller? >> i knew it was going to be successful. but not this successful. "bold and fresh" was 52 weeks. this is my biggest seller. >> steve: congratulations on the "new york times" best seller

list. that drives them nuts! >> absolutely. >> steve: why can't ed schultz write a book? >> who? >> gretchen: we'll see you tonight on "the o'reilly factor"? >> i hope so. i'll try to make it through the day. >> gretchen: next up, the landmark deal with five of the nation's largest lentors give money to homeowners. do you qualify for any of that cash? bob massi here to break it down for us. >> brian: and something tells me popeye would not be happy about this one. the feds sinking your money into converting spinach into energy. >> steve: popeye did. >> brian: it worked for him, yeah [ male announcer ] when a major hospital wanted to provide better employee benefits while balancing the company's bottom line, their very first word was... [ to the tune of "lullaby and good night" ] ♪ af-lac ♪ aflac [ male announcer ] find out more at... [ duck ] aflac! [ male announcer ] ...forbusiness.com. [ yawning sound ] standard keyless access,

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>> gretchen: welcome back. after months of negotiation, attorney generals from 49 states have reachedden historic settlement with five of the largest loan providers in the country. the landmark deal providing relief to struggling homeowners to the tune of $25 billion.

so how do you know if you actually qualify for some of that cash? >> fox news legal analyst bob massi joins me to explain this. >> good morning. >> gretchen: good morning. so can you briefly discuss this mortgage settlement. what does it mean? >> as you introduce it, five of the big one, wells fargo, chases, bank of americas, the gmac's, the citi, they basically in this negotiation and the order was signed by a federal judge, said listen, we are going to give certain money to the states and what's going to happen as a result, if you're eligible, which we'll talk about in a minute, you can get some principle reduction. you can get your loan refinanced if you're in default, and for those people, gretchen, who were wrongfully foreclosed on, i will tell you it gets a pittance of some money. but it is something that at least positive that's happening. the reason i wanted to talk about it today is because this thing is now in action and i want our viewers to understand basically how this is going, can

affect some americans. >> gretchen: how do homeowners know if they can actually receive any kind of relief or any of these benefits? >> you and i, when we make our mortgage payments, have servicers. they service the loan. of the big five, what happens is those servicers are supposed to contact the homeowner and there is a period of time of eligibility. they say nine months it's going to take and should end by the end of this year. at that time, they will let you know your eligibility. are you eligible for this? we're going to give the web site at the end of this piece so people can go to it. are you eligible for purpose of refinancing the loan? are you eligible for any moneys as a result of a wrongful foreclosure? that's servicers are to be doing some type of analysis, gretchen, that ultimately they will contact you and i potentially as a homeowner to see if you fall within the grid and can be eligible for one of these

reductions or refinancing. >> gretchen: we should depend on that, bob, because i'm wondering whether or not our viewers, if they have questions, should contact their servicers. >> absolutely. absolutely. you can contact your servicer. so if you have a wells fargo servicer, bank of america, gmac, citi, you can contact them directly and see if, in fact, you're eligible. they have no problem with doing that. and if you do find out -- because here is the thing. this program is actually a three-year program that it's going to take to become eligible or see if you're eligible for it. but i can represent to our viewers and i can speak specifically to our state, i can tell you that i know people already who have had principle reductions. the other interesting thing, gretchen, that's happening, i'm going to try to cover the next few weeks, this settlement boosted up some things. there are more lends that are doing some modifications now. there are a few things that's

happening positive, terrific job by the attorney generals in this country. >> gretchen: all right. so what was that web site you were talk being? >> actually it should be up on the screen. i apologize. i don't have it memorized. but i did provide it. it should be hopefully on the graphic. obviously we can put it up on the web site. >> gretchen: we will put it on our web site and if you have a housing question to ask bob massi, e-mail us. bob, have a great weekend. we'll see you again next week. >> you, too. thank you. >> gretchen: the supreme court side with the state of arizona and uphold its immigration law or will the obama administration win the ongoing fight? senator john mccain of arizona has a prediction. he's here live next ♪

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>> brian: is the pentagon stone walling congress in its investigation of the secret service? yesterday briefing top lawmakers on what role the military played in the ongoing scandal, but our next guest says that briefing was, quote, disappointing and, quote, a waste of time. >> gretchen: arizona senator john mccain joins us live from capitol hill. those were your words, right, senator? >> well, we were briefed by an admiral and a general, senator levin and i, he's the chairman of the arms services committee and i'm the ranking member. they didn't even know what day the president arrived in colombia. they didn't know whether the overall general in charge was in cartagena or at the base in arizona. it was one of the most remarkable experiences i have had and you contrast that with the secret service who has been very forth coming to senator lieberman and senator collins on the homeland security committee.

look, there is a national security implications to this. i don't know if there was any violations. i don't know if the president's schedules were in those rooms those prostitutes came into the night before the president arrived in cartagena. i don't know if there was weapons around. but we need to know from a national security standpoint whether our national security and the security of the president of the united states was compromised. so the pentagon has given us zero information. zero. >> brian: do they have it and denying it or do they just choose not to tell you? >> just chose not to tell us. said they didn't know the answer. when i asked, when did the president arrive in cartagena? well, we didn't know that. how many people -- >> steve: why did they send that guy for the briefer? >> i don't know what they were thinking, but frankly it's an attitude towards the senate in general and the armed services committee in particular on the

part of the pentagon that in my view totally unacceptable. it's symptomatic of the treatment we've gotten on other issues. >> steve: are they stone walling? >> i don't know if you'd call it stone walling. they're totally unresponsive, totally without any -- even the basic information about the logistics of the president's visit, much less getting into the aspects of national security, which is a concern and an obligation and a duty of the congress. >> gretchen: let's talk a little bit about something else that's very close to you because it's the arizona immigration law. the supreme court taking this up now and hearing the arguments yesterday. some of that has leaked out now and it appears that maybe at least half or a majority of the justices seem to think the law should stand. what do you make of that? >> gretchen, i've never tried to assume by the questioning of the justices as how they're going to come down. but i think it's important for

everyone to recognize and perhaps the justices did it as well that this legislation was read out of absolute frustration on the part of the citizens of arizona that the federal government was not fulfilling its responsibilities to secure the borders. there is still drugs coming across the arizona-mexico border, guided by guides on mountain tops and the drugs are coming to phoenix, arizona and being distributed throughout the country. there are drop houses where people are kept in the most unspeakable conditions. there are coyotes bringing people across who inflict brutalities on the people they bring across, including young women. there have been dramatic improvements in the security of our border, but certainly at that time, people did not feel safe in their homes in southern arizona and that's unacceptable situation. >> brian: senator, a lot of people say if this gets voted down, like it looks like it is by the supreme court justice, let's say everything goes by the line of questioning, then that will be a talking point for democrats to say look how

anti-hispanic those republicans are. what's your reaction? >> my reaction is that hispanics and nonhispanics feel very strongly that our border needs to be secured. it is hispanics who suffer most from these coyotes and from these drug dealers that have been infiltrated our state. i recognize improvements have been made, economics have slowed if not stopped illegal immigration into this country. but we have to have our borders secured and arizona still does not have that as the situation there. >> gretchen: the supreme court going to wrap up their decision at thend of june, along with obamacare. a lot on their plate right now. senator john mccain, have a great day and a great weekend. we'll see you soon. >> thanks a lot. >> steve: 29 after the top of the hour. weekly jobless numbers coming out. eric bolling standing by to tell us what it means.

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>> gretchen: fox business alert for you. the labor department released new weekly jobless numbers. 388,000 first-time unemployment claims were filed last week. that's up from 386,000 the week before. economists were expecting 375,000. here is eric bolling, mathematician extraordinary. decipher. >> the last three weeks we've been in excess of 300,000, up from i believe 386 last week or maybe right at the same number, but higher -- so what this is telling us, last three weeks, 380,000 plus means that when the big number comes in, unemployment number comes, the first friday of next month indicating this month, it is probably going to tick up. these are bad numbers and

usually go on a four week rolling average to give an indication of the big number. >> steve: but people have predicted those things going up before because so many people drop out of the job market, the number goes down. >> i got a lot of heat 'cause last week i said the department of labor statistics may be a -- becoming a partisan agency department. people say you're out of your mind. but the more i look into it, the more i read. if you brought all the people back into the labor force who were there from day one of president obama's presidency, the unemployment rate would be in examines of 10%. so -- in excess of 10%. every day you pull people out t makes the unemployment rate look better. so bring all the people back in, and by the way, the population is growing, too. these numbers are bad. they need to be below 350, trending toward 300. we had been doing that. we've had months of downward trending the number. and then the last three weeks -- >> gretchen: politicizing number

crunching -- >> you think -- it's not that crazy. it's really not that crazy. those people are work for the administration. they're there. >> brian: big business always says get the epa out of my way and it seems the epa against the rest of the world. we have an official now caught on microphone talking about what he'd like to see happen and then we'll get to your big board. listen. i gave an analogy to my staff >> steve: so that guy has apologized for using the term, crucify. senator from oklahoma was on the program, he said this about

that. >> he's saying, he's drawing the picture of the ruins, crucifying the people in turkey as they go into these villages, crucifying the first five people they see. this is how you get their attention. i think when he comes out and apologizes for using the word crucify, he's still getting his message across there. intimidation, threats. how would you feel if you received a letter from the epa saying that they're going to fine you $50,000 a day? >> could i important out, also in that sound bite, this epa official says we need to make an example out of them, meaning oil companies. why do they need to do that? really? the oil companies are the ones providing us with cheap fuel. let me also show you what the epa is telling us to do now. they have a new mandate, they're trying to push a mandate for power companies, electric power companies. they come in many forms, coal or

natural gas are the two prominent ones. they want 1,000 pounds of carbon dioxide emissions per mega watt hour. that's their goal. right now coal, typical coal fire power plant comes in at 1786. they're going to be in trouble. they say any new coal fire power plants have to be under 1,000, which they're never going to get there. the concern is they go after the current one, that could be bad. >> steve: look at natural gas. >> 850 pounds currently. that's with -- so clearly president obama and the epa are pushing people to natural gas. the issue is, they've also put up a front. they put up a blockage against fracking. senator imhoff talked about it on your show saying they're pushing to you natural gas, but what they're not telling you is they have an anti-fracking agenda there, too. what president obama is doing, he's actually doing what he promised as senator obama in 2008, january, san francisco chronicle talked to him and he said, we're going to bankrupt the coal companies. his words. we will bankrupt the coal

companies, pushing them to other forms. but he's precontinueding he wants natural gas. he doesn't. >> brian: that's why joe manchin will not support him. >> this is bad. shear what it means to you guys. your power prices have gone up 20% versus last summer. guess what? it's going to skyrocket this summer because of this. >> steve: the ratings are skyrocketing on "the five" where you are each and every day. we'll be watching today at 5:00 o'clock. >> i won't bring the white board. >> gretchen: thanks very much. coming up, he can dish it, but can he take it? the man behind simon cowell's unauthorized biography is here to spill some of simon's secrets. >> gretchen: president george w. bush about to honor our nation's troops again with dr. mark siegle. are you ready for this? >> i'm ready. i'm here in amarillo with pam, president bush's personal bike mechanic and she suited me up for had race as you can see for the ride. i'll have more for you after the

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we're outside. i'm here with the guys from philly pretzel factory. take a look at a line that amosed outside our world headquarters because today is national pretzel day. you stop by any location for philly pretzel, you get a free one. now, this is interesting. you are going to be on an upcoming episode of "undercover boss." >> tomorrow night. >> steve: what do you is, you go in as an employee and you discover that what is the fran friesee doing? >> in one scene, he's making his own product that he's going rogue on me. make his own product. >> steve: his mom's recipe? >> he went and made his own sandwiches. he thought that was a product that he needed to have. as a franchise, we're about systems and certain menu items. >> steve: you hit the roof. but apparently one of the recipes worked out okay because it's on your menu now? >> now it's on our menu, yeah. we had to make sure everything was consistent. >> steve: once again, national pretzel day, stop by any pretzel factory. you get a free one?

>> a free one. if you get a coupon, the first 100, you get a free pretzel in the month of may. >> steve: all these free people aren't going to knock you out of business, are they? >> no. >> steve: i hope not. >> the more the better. once you taste our product, they'll come back. >> steve: very nice. pretzel day, brian. mr. kill need? >> brian: thanks a lot. this week former president bush takes on a mission that's very near and dear to his heart. honoring the u.s. military veterans. and mixing in sports. they were the ones that were injured in iraq and afghanistan. that's they did to qualify. they'll ride the rugged trails of one much america's largest canyons. along for the ride, and this man i got to check his sanity, dr. keith ablow, dr. mark siegle in amarillo, texas. >> they couldn't get you, so they brought me. i've been training. you mentioned president bush, he leads by example. this is how he does it. this is a terrible endeavor

called the w 100 k. the w is for warrior and he's done this every year. this is a great inspiration for the veterans. they are heros in the war theater, but more heroic is coming, trying to come back to society after you've been injured like this. we're going to be riding in the 96-degree heat, brian, high duration is going to be a huge issue. keeping electrolytes and there is rattle snakes in this canyons. i got to watch out for them. >> brian: if you get a flat, i don't want you fixing it, just keep riding 'cause i don't want you patching up the tube. meanwhile, off special guest next to you. it's army major dan gate. >> brian, dan gate is unbelievable. he teaches at west point. he's a professor. he's the very first wounded veteran that has gone on to get a doctorate and he stayed on active duty. he's a major in the army. he's an amazing story. he was wounded by an ied in 2005

and major gate, tell us how you recovered and how you got back to teaching after that. >> i appreciate it. so when a warrior wakes up in the hospital and you're flat on your back and you're thinking oh, my goodness, i've been mangled, you have to go through a whole process of reintegrate ing and working really hard on finding what we call a new normal. so for me, a new normal was, okay. how am i going to get back to where i'm physically fit? how am i going to get to where i can be a good dad and husband and then i'm going to work about what i'm going to do for a job and stuff. events like this were an inspiration for me from the beginning. you see these wounded wash ors riding with one leg or skiing with one leg. >> you are riding with one leg? >> i am now. but early on, it was really important for me to see the examples of guys who went before me. i'm hoping kind of to be an example for guys who are coming behind me now it. >> how is president bush an inspiration for this kind of

ride? how does he lead by example here? >> i worked for the white house from 2007 to 2008 doing veterans policy for the president. and i was in a meeting one time and he said to some wound warriors who were there, he said, i personally was in charge of making the decisions that got you where you are in your life today and my government is going to do everything it can to make it right. did he that when he was in office through veterans policy and things like that. he's doing it now as a private citizen where he's bringing in wounded warriors and these organizations and raising awareness for the kind of thing that they're doing, which is really, really special. >> president bush taking personal responsibility for the war and its aftermath. >> exactly. >> brian: dr. siegle, number one, i think it's great you're doing this, and major, i don't know if you're fully aware of this, and doctor, i know you're not. the president doesn't slow down. he doesn't care about the 96-degree heat. he doesn't wait for anybody. he's attacking this like it's the olympics. are you two ready, starting with you, major? >> are you ready, major?

>> i'm ready. >> are you ready for the president and keeping up with him? >> he's a super mountain biker and i'm more of a road biker. but if i can see him in the distance, i'll be happy. >> brian, here is what i'm going to tell the warriors, if they see president bush, they're going too fast. if they see dr. siegle, they're going too slow! >> brian: fantastic. that's great. bret baier still hasn't recovered. he did it last year. dr. siegle i that so much. >> brian, the president says bret baier did great last year. i hear that he was very proud of bret baier. i hope he's proud of me. >> brian: that's because his power panel rubbed him down for a week, 'cause he was that sore. thanks a lot. good luck. i can't wait to get the inside story on what happened. major thanks for your service. >> good to see you, brian. >> brian: meanwhile, we'll tell you what happens with dr. siegle tomorrow. you know him as one of the world's toughest critics. is simon cowell's heart as black as his tight t-shirts? the author of his unauthorized biography is here next. but first, let's check in with martha mccallum.

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>> steve: welcome back. simon cowell earned his fame for that brash style that he brought to "american idol." >> sound like a cat jumping off the empire state building and the noise it would make before it hit the floor.

it was almost nonhuman. >> gretchen: we all know simon can dish it out, but when it comes to his personal life, can he handle the heat? >> brian: joining us from ron continue, the man behind simon cowell's unauthorized biography called "sweet revenge," tom bower is here. you got access to simon cowell. why did he give think access? >> well, he thought he could trust me. i think he wanted his story told, but the way he told it last night at the launch party for the book was that he decided it was best to bring me in the tent and kill me with love rather than with legal action. >> steve: although we look at a tweet from simon cowell that says this book is not written by me. it is unauthorized. the writer is tom bower. it may not technically be unauthorized, but you did it with his knowledge. i like the fact that you say that he had more than 20 years of humiliation. avenues total failure -- he was a total failure at life.

what was going on with him? >> he was just lazy. he didn't do any work at school. he just constantly played pranks against the teachers, was kicked out. then he left school and couldn't find any work. eventually he got a job in the mail room of a music company. and then started riding up but found it very, very difficult. he was humiliated by his rivals and more importantly, by his colleagues at work. he just had to fight on 'til he finally got some success towards the end of his years. >> gretchen: so he's sort of a late bloomer, to say the least. one of the things you say is it's his personal charm that helped him to overcome the odds. >> yeah. he is charming. he can laugh at himself and he can be very rude to others and rude about himself, too. but his vanity really which has saved him. he's relentless pursuit of fame and fortune, which he's developed a bit late in life, but nevertheless, got there.

>> brian: so one thing he did not want to you talk about is a lot of the women he has and the reason why he doesn't commit. so he's living this lavish lifestyle full of botox and everything else, but he also loves women. what kind of women? >> normally girls who are uninhibited, uncomplicated, sometimes a bit trashy, well endowed. he likes big women in certain places. most of all, he likes women who have a lot of fun. he's a guy who is a very, very low boredom -- or high one. he gets bored so quickly and he wants to laugh and the moment he staps laughing. >> he'll move on. >> brian: has "the x factor" been a failure? >> no. he was challenged in america,er in doubt about it. he thought he could get 30 million and he only got 12. but unfortunately, he's got great -- never the less, he has new ideas and he's a fighter. he's determined to make sure that he beats "the voice" and

everyone else who competes with him. >> gretchen: he may not be able to commit. he broke up with his fiance, but apparently bought hear $5 million house if california. the author is tom bower, the unauthorized book is "sweet revenge." good luck with the book. >> thank you. >> brian: it's really good. i'm reading it. more in two minutes ♪

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♪ >> brian: tomorrow's show includes geraldo rivera, olivia newton john. >> gretchen: log on for our after the show show. have a great thursday. >> steve: see you tomorrow, everybody. a fox news alert and another troubling sign for the economy. only moments ago, new numbers on jobs for america. for the week