the bureaucracy is what is wrong. >> the blob is what it is called. >> it's the blob. >> reformers are like java the hut the paper pushers. the union. >> bring on the creative destruction. who would disagree? (chanting) >> teachers aunions disagree. reformers who care about test scores. >> city schools are terrible because of unions like yours. >> our test scores are not what you should be focusing on. >> how do you know they are learning? >> i know they are learning when i look in their eyes. >> charter schools. >> over my dead body they will come here. >> some are mad they can fire a teacher. >> what's wrong with that? >> a teacher wants to teach. >> teachers need teen you tenur.

>> most professions don't have tenure. >> at least now there's good news. at some schools where teachers can be fired kids learn. >> give us the worse school in america we will out perform the school in five years. >> how good are the test scores at charter schools? >> there isn't a word for it. >> charter schools avoid the problem schools. >> no way. >> sadly up until now adult schools are won the show and made us stupid in america. >> school spending has tripled over the past 40 years. we spend much more than other countries but what do we get? fancier schools more assistant principals but student learning? no improvement. look at it there's the line. for 40 years scores have been flat. much more money no improvement. this is awful.

but there is some good news. around america school is boring. >> no, it's not. >> yes, it is. >> i know. i went to school. grade school was boring. so was high school. so was princeton. except for the party part. but fourth grade? you have to learn reading and writing. that's work. >> reading is work, but it's rocking awesome. >> rocking awesome? these kids say school is fun? >> yes. >> how is it fun to learn? >> they just teach us in a fwun way. >> do you look forward to going to school in the morning. >> these schools attend charter schools free public school but their charter gets rid of the bureaucracy of regular school including teacher union rules. they enrolled the inner city

label risk of failure but they learn. >> going to our school is a ticket to educational suck sis. >> they run several charter schools all get outstanding test scores. >> do you do this all with the same money the public schools get? >> we do it with less, 4 and 6,000 dollars less per child. >> how with less money do they get them interested? >> you are interested in math and reading, writing. >> it's work. >> it don't matter. (laughter) >> the school day here is longer. they stay until 5:00 p.m. charter teachers can be asked to work more than the union would have allowed. they told us they don't mind. >> but you are going to burn out. why aren't you ticked off? >> that's not an option for us. we kind of have our eye on the prize with these kids. >> they use all sorts of

teaching techniques. sometimes they use ear pieces and they are coached by their bosses. >> what are they telling you? >> they tell me things i don't see if i don't think of a great question in the moment my principal is able to feed that to me in the ear piece. we view teachers as athletes in the olympics and they need constant support and coaching to be at the top of their game. >> the students explain it's what they call active listening instead of interrupting class to blurt out say can i go to the bathroom or i agree with that the students make hand gestures. >> what's the symbol for agree? >> like this. >> high test scores made these charters so popular the parents line up hoping to get the kids. >> this line goes on on and on

forever. on the other end of america in california another charter chain gets similar top results using different methods. >> here's what i say. give me the worst school in oakland, black, mexicans, poke dots, give us the worst school anywhere in america we will take it and we will out perform the other schools in five years. >> ben created the model at the american indian charter school right in the heart of a rough neighborhood. (bleep) >> these are hard workers here. >> the kids at the american indian schools have some of the heist test scores in america. >> you can do that on the same amount the state gives every school. >> we get less. we get less than every other

school. >> the kids in american indian public charter schools are scoring so far above the average for the state for public school children there isn't even a word for it. >> they use different techniques. at american indian they pay some kids to tutor other kids. >> we hire our students and we pay them. they are excited. they are going to make some money. >> it is politically incorrect. >> don't you want to study? science? good for you. you will be a rare bird. >> he has been criticized for imposing strict rules. >> you got in trouble didn't you boy? >> they want us to succeed. >> a teacher made this student do pushups in the hallway because he didn't follow duxes. >> you have to try hard when you are here. >> i hate saturday school. >> my other school wouldn't have as much homework. we had one page.

here we have 6 subjects of homework. the teachers were a lot nicer. here they are a lot meaner. >> meern. yet no student has been expelled since the school began in 2000. >> no way. i love fools. i love the kids that get in trouble. you can take a kid who is acting like a fool or gets in trouble and use them as an example. >> it's cruel your critics say. you have a 6th grade student acts up in class he will be sent to sit on the floor in an 8th grade class. >> that's true. >> even jim clagym class is str. >> in other school we played games in every pe. here it's running for 10 minutes or running around the track. >> you fired a teacher after one day. >> she was incompetent. >> you could tell in one day? >> yeah. last year i thought i was going to get fired a few times if i am

not doing a good job it's over and it can happen in a drop of a dime. >> that is not true at government run schools. they can't be fired. >> you can get canned in a moment. does that bother you? >> if i am not doing my job per se and i was fired for that, so be it. >> if i was a doctor and i wasn't good no one would come to me. right? >> i would hope not. >> you cannot maintain quality unless you can fire people says this charter founder. >> as many as we must we spend and as little as we can. >> have you fired more than ten? >> in three schools in eight years, yup. >> while bad teachers might get fired good teachers are given freedom. >> they can choose their textbooks, teaching method as long they in every quarter of every year learn what the students are needing to learn every day. >> in harlem 3-4 get passing

grades in state math tests. 100 percent of hers pass. >> if such charters work why aren't there more of them? >> because unions supporters of traditional school hate charters. this protest occurred outside one of eva's charters. >> i hope it's not personal, but it may be. >> this union boss doesn't want charters in his school. >> over my dead body do they get to come there. >> does he get to stop them? >> i will confront the unions about that and other strange things a union bosses says like we shouldn't judge teachers by how well students do on tests. >> how do you know they are learning anything? >> i know my kids are learning when i look in their eyes. >> what? >> more stupid in america when we return. [ gans ] [ marge ] psst.

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>> these charter schools we showed you, i wish there were more of them, more competition, because competition makes everybody better. >> oo there are some people that don't like my saying that. (chanting) >> the teacher's union, 5 million members strong. this group is mad at me. >> we are here to demand an apology from 20/20 john stossel. >> i had done another show called stupid in america who said it was impossible to fire bad teachers. the union boss said because of my program... >> educators all over the country feel they have been kicked in the teeth. >> they were surprised when i came out to hear them. the union said i should be educated. >> just teach for a week.

we got high schools, we got elementary schools. >> the crowd liked the idea of me teaching for a week. (chanting) >> i think i sewer prized them again when i said okay, i will teach. then che changed their mind. they won't talk to me any more but two union bosses did. >> city schools are terrible because of unions like yours. >> i would disagree. we have progress as a result of unions. >> 3 days before they led this protester's march when we talked about how well students do on tests. they composed an anti test song. ♪ >> i think i know why the union doesn't like tests. >> your results are often.

they are among the loews in the nation. >> you make an argument it's the lowest in the nation based upon the test scores. i would say ours can get better -- >> your pred sewsors the unions have been saying that for years. >> i think the unions have a pretty strong history of advocating for high quality public education. >> but not achieving it. >> our test scores are not what we choose to focus on. we choose to focus on teaching kids. >> but how do you know if they are learning anything if you don't test them and compare? >> i know my kids are learning when i look in their eyes. >> the protestors had celebrity support. actor matt damon he was asked about the rules that make it hard to fire a union teacher. >> in acting there is job security. why isn't it like that for teachers? >> you think job insect makes me work hard? >> you have an incentive to work harder.

>> it's not an incentive. you take this nba style thinking. >> nba style? this is a school idea. >> well, yes. charter schools, vouchers even obama's race to the top are based on ideas that competition is good. if kids are free to take their school money to any school competition among schools including for profit chain will force all of the schools to get better or go out of business. the best schools will expand. but the unions don't like that market competition. >> there's a profit motive behind all of this testing. >> we need to get corporations out of the school. >> the union is school choice when you reach preparation. ♪ >> teachers paid enough? you got some teachers a making over 100,000.

>> and they aren't making enough. >> matt damon agrees with that. his mom is a union teacher. >> teachers want to teach. why would you make a (bleep) salary and long hours. >> they make a (bleep) salary? maybe damon's teacher. they mieshg than accountants, nurses, architects. >> i can guarantee you it's not about the money. >> kevin chavous is a former dc politician. >> i gave the school system $300 million teachers got more money than ever to educate 3,000 fewer kids and the test scores went down. what they did do they grew central office, they had more deputies to the assistant to the deputy of the assistant. they grew the bureaucracy. >> the former district chancellor michelle reed found the bigger bureaucracy didn't get school supplies to the kids. >> walking into schools and seeing there were no books in

the library, kids didn't have supplies and pencils. the following week i visited the warehouse of the school district where there were boxes and boxes of books and scissors and glue. >> why didn't they get to the school? >> exactly. >> why didn't they? >> it was a complete and utter sense of dysfunction and the lack of accountability. >> the reason they called the school bureaucracy a blob, it's like this bloby java the hut thing that can't be budged. janitor's union politicians, school board bureaucrats. if you try to make it change, the blob says... >> we don't do that here. we got four or five people to sign up. the deputy director of curriculum has to say it's okay. >> union leaders escaped that. >> you went to private school. >> that's correct. >> made me feel that i had better do pretty good in that

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>> look who sent their kids to private schools? nancy pelospelosi, hilly clinto gore. >> the people who are making the rules already have choices. these politicians, and i used to be a politician. the politicians have choice. >> yet all of the politicians

sent their kids to private school oppose school choices. >> thank you for taking my questions. i want to know whether or not you think malia and sasha would get the same rigorous education in the dc public schools? >> if i wanted to find a great public school for maria and sasha to be in we could maneuver to do it. >> apparently he didn't want to. he sends them to sidwell friends. it's the same school the vice president's grand kids attend. tuition 32,000 dollars a year. and the union leaders... >> you went to private schools? >> that's correct. >> i graduated catholic high school. >> head of newark teacher's union. he's a tough negotiator. when the chairman said he used up his speaking time he marched up to the front to demand more saying my union contract mandates 7 more minutes than i got.

>> the rigidity of this stupid union contract is why the students suffer. your union is the problem. >> i think you know that. >> he opposes letting kids escape his rules by allowing them to attend charter schools in existing school buildings. >> over my dead body they are going to come there. i am going to be there and physically try to stop them. there are certain things that don't miss, oil and water you can't emulsify them. >> there's no room? >> no, there's not half empty schools. >> he said charters favor rich kids. but newark public schools spend almost 400 thousand per classroom. the charters get less. >> not that much less. >> but they get less. it's hardly the rich verses the poor. >> happy for them. >> let them into your school. >> don't want to be in our schools. >> you are not happy for them. >> fox and cnn, are they in the same building? i don't think so.

>> but fox and cnn can't pan nish the competition. competition is good. competition is why we have fox, cnn and msnbc. when you have a choice at what channel you are going to watch or what school you go to competition makes things good. dell grass so understand that about his own education. >> my mother pays for me to go there and makes me feel like i should do good or else. >> sounds like you are voting against unionized public schools. >> most of the independent schools are still catholic schoo schools. 70,000 verses 5,000. most of the schools can't because teachers get tenure. >> why have tenure.

>> nothing can tell you which is a nice thing. >> you like organized crime. >> there's that perspective. this feature shouldn't be a problem. >> here is one problem. >> not every teacher is going to. some are really lousy. it's impossible to fire these. >> why? >> because there are millions on taffe. -- millions of steps. >> there's only one. >> it's not one step. it's all of these steps. >> this is the steps required to fire a teacher in my town. this is why most principals don't even try. they look at a list of appeals and just give up or they push the worst teachers to transfer to another school. such a common way to avoid these rules there's a name for it the dance of the lemon. it would be funny except these

rules leave some schools stuck with terrible teachers. >> this is crazy. >> this former police investigator said it would take years to fire even an abusive teacher. >> lots of people said he hit them. >> lots of people said he hit them and another teacher said it. took me four years, 283,000 dollars, 127,000 dollars in legal fees, plus what it cost to -- >> still being paid by the district? >> he couldn't fire a teacher who faked his doctor at. >> and he went to sleep in class. >> he was quite disturbed with the supervisor came in and woke him up. >> he complained. >> it never ends. it never ends. when we return meet someone who successfully fired hundreds of people. >> fired your own daughter's

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charg death the penalty. for all of the headlines when you want them, foxnews.com. >> as was seen, education in america is a mess. what will fix it? who might fix it? >> somebody needs to fix it. (applause) >> you can do it. >> oprah thinks this woman can fix it. >> thank you. i am rooting for you. >> michelle is michelle reed. >> michelle reed an acting chancellor. >> five years ago adrien fenty picked her to run a dc school. >> you had never run a school system before? >> i had never run a school before. that's why adriid everyone thou adrien fenty was nuts. >> i was a 37-year-old girl from

toledo, ohio. >> i had two kids two daughters 9 and 12. i put them in the dc public schools. >> the schools were a disaster. test results among the worst in america. chancellor reed quickly learned only 18 percent were on grade level there was something odd about how the teachers were. >> when i looked at the performance evaluations of the adults in the system -- >> how good are the teachers doing? >> i found 95 percent of the adults were being rated as doing a great job. how can you have a system where all of the workers are saying we are doing a great job for our kids and what we are producing for them is 8 percent success. >> she visited schools and saw empty classrooms. >> i walk into this one school i go to the first classroom, 5 kids in there. second classroom, 9 kids. there's 3 kids. i am thinking, what is going on.

finally i get to the 5th or 6th classroom, i ask the teacher, where are all of the kids? she said, well it's friday. i couldn't believe that was the answer. is that all? i said no. she is going to tell me some of the kids are on a field trip. she said it's raining, too. >> not every classroom. attendance varied by teacher. so i am walking through i am finishing my visit and i walk into one classroom there are 30 kids. there are not enough desks for the number of kids that were there. so there are kids sitting on the radiators. i go up to one of the kids, i said what do you think about the teacher. they said this is my best teacher bar none. as i was leaving the school, this was about a 10:00 in the morning that young man and two of his friends were walking out of the school in front of me. i tab them on the shoulder.

i said excuse me, where do you think you are going? they said to me well our first period teacher he is great we came to school. but second hour is not good so we are going to roll. i thought okay this is not the picture that the american public has in their mind of truants. they were making a conscious decision to wake up early and come to school for first period because they knew they were going to get something out of it and leave after that because they weren't going to get any value out of it. >> this teacher gets paid no more than all of the other teeveners. >> gets paid no more. seniority layoffs would have gotten laid off first. >> she decided they would pay good teachers more and fire bad teachers. >> that did not go over particularly well. >> green must go. >> if you listen to this i was visited by my general counsel he comes rushing into my office, he says, you have got to stop firing people.

why? if people are not doing the job they are supposed to be doing, we need to move them out. >> he said welcome to dc public schools. >> we found a 90-day loophole that closed some schools and fired teachers. >> nothing short of a firestorm surrounding the future of the dc public school system. >> 32 are being fired. >> outrage by parents and teachers. >> a plan, a plot before she took the job to get rid of people who have been around. they have tenure. >> you closed 15 percent of the city schools, hired your own daughter's principal. >> that one was a chilly night at home. >> upset, family, community, students and teachers. a lot of people got fired. she said they deserved to be fired. many of those thought she needed to be fired.

>> people really hated you. hate you still. >> yeah. yeah. i was the wicked witch of the west. they called me the hatchet lady, the dragon lady, teacher terminator. >> big bad witch. >> time magazine put you on the cover with the broom. >> i took the broom to mean sweeping house. >> the blog didn't want their house swept. the union says poorly performing teachers need a second chance. >> do we han't we some union te who are lousy? >> we need to lift up the low performer and help them do better. why knotted just fire them sorry teaching may not be for you. the quality of life is deeply affected by that termination. >> nobody should ever be fired? >> what we should do is help people improve their skills. >> people would say to me, well, if a teacher is not effected you

should -- effective you should take time and effort to professionally develop. whose children are we going to put in that classroom for that year. >> who are you going to practice on? >> wasn't are you going to say, o, it didn't work out. >> she changed the policy. >> i made a decision we were going to do layoffs by quality instead of seniority. this really upset the apple cart of people who were protesting. >> it's not just the apple cart it's common sense. >> it's common sense to you and me but it was absolutely counter to what the districts always felt. >> you cheat the good young teacher, don't they get mad? >> forget the young teachers. it cheats the kids. >> kids were less cheated. test scores went up when she was

chancellor. in the end the union won. >> you need to get her out. >> we have to be here every day all day all night we will. >> the mayor who appointed her was voted down. when he lost reed quit before she was fired. >> she lost in dc but elsewhere in america, all sorts of new schools are succeeding. exciting things are happening. >> take it with food. switch to citracal maximum plus d. it's the only calcium supplement that can be taken with or without food. that's why my doctor recommends citracal maximum. it's all about absorption.

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>> people try to start charter schools say bureaucrats make it so hard they put up all of these obstacles. that's why there aren't enough charters yet to have a real market. except in one town most kids now attend charters. how did that happen? >> hurricane katrina now on a line to hit new orleans. >> it happened because of a hurricane. >> this entire area will be under water. >> mother nature is in charge and mother nature has dealt one horrific blow. >> it didn't destroy much of the city it destroyed the school system. some school reformers saw

thought maybe fwhooes what needed to happen. >> it was probably one of the worst school districts in the country. >> before katrina it was just failed. >> rebuild what was there and you build something entirely new. >> louisiana built something new. they made it easy for kids to open charters. >> you say here's my plan. >> they started a school called chi academy. >> we have control over our instruction. >> when he started the school he was the only employee. he drove his car around new orleans until 3 in the morning putting up signs advertising school. >> the number right here that was my cell phone. >> he had to add ties because students had to choose to go there. they didn't just get sent there because they lived nearby. >> he even went to people's houses to recruit. >> living in new orleans we never had that.

>> her son reggie goes to sci academy. >> he came out talked to me and talked to reggie and he was explaining to them about the hours and academic stuff. >> when the school opened only a third of the students were proficient on state tests. >> i know half of them didn't know how to read. >> sci academy test results are some of the best in the city. >> there's a plan in my mind to have a permanent building. wh if you walk in the school the first thing they complain about is the facility there are not learning. >> how are they doing? teachers have to perform because the principal can fire at will. >> we have at will contracts. >> sharon clark runs another new orleans' charter. she, too, fires dead beat teachers. >> i call it freeing up a person's future. >> the charter laws allow parents to fire a school. if they don't like this school

they can send their kids to another. sharon needs to work hard because she worries about losing her charter. >> good morning class of 2013. >> good morning. >> the competition drives schools to try different things like this morning ritual at sci academy. >> who are you? >> (inaudible). >> this seems a little cult like. some kids didn't take it seriously. but something worked. >> it is amazing. since he has been here he has become more responsible in thinking. >> even though i didn't like the school at first, as i went to school i thought it was better because i saw how important it was. >> now reggie's mother is starting college so he tutored

her with things he learned from sci. >> this is from one employee. into another school that is so popular it holds a lottery who decide who gets in. >> we are going to have a waiting list of about 200 students long. >> as you saw in harlem, nervous kids, relatives sit anxiously hoping their name will be called. some go away happy. >> yea! >> most do not. >> it just goes to show, this kind of school is needed in this city. this kind of education is exactly what we need to be offering every single kid. >> today most kids in new orleans attend charter school. test scores across the city are better. >> many of the greatest cities in the world have been reborn in a crisis. the chicago fire resulted in a greater chicago belt. the san francisco earthquake resulted in much more dynamic

safer stim merging. the fire of london resulted in a much greater capital em morgu-- emerging. people in new orleans are building the city for the better. the school of choice momentu is building and it will never go back. >> this time from the internet look how excited these kids are about math. [ male announcer ] this is genco services --

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>> do your kids have a good teacher? how do you know? you mean a teacher next door is better. maybe there's a better teacher in another state. maybe there's a world's best

teacher or several. wouldn't it be great if your kids could have that teacher? well today, yes, you can. >> i caught it. >> yeah. >> these kids are this excited about a math lesson. >> it's amazing. >> neglect 4 minus 4 and we are done. >> taught me a lot of things. >> hedge fund analyst created videos like these to tutor his cousin. >> it worked well. i started tutoring her brothers and cousins. i had a friend who said, say, sal, why don't you put some of your lectures on youtube. i decided to give it a shot. >> welcome to the presentation on basic addition. >> soon thousands watched his lectures. >> i started getting letters from people. comments on youtube. they are -- they are not like, hey, i think this kind of might have helped on my math exam. they are like, i failed calculus

the first time. i started watching the videos now i am acing the class. >> the youtube numbers kept rising he got letters from the middle east, africa. >> kahn, what he has done is amazing. >> it is funded by bill gates. he has history and economics to computer signs. his videos are viewed millions of times. >> not only is it reaching millions of students but god forbid if i got hit by a bus outside it will still reach millions and maybe eventually billions of students. >> you just happened to be good at teaching? >> i will take that as a compliment. >> it is a compliment. he's a great teacher. >> i hope that helps. see you in the next video. >> it is really helping us learn a lot more. >> it is exciting he gets kids so excited about math. >> in most parts of life, things have gotten much better cars, computers, cell phones, education not the like. >> you know, you rewind out of 80 or 90100 years and you would

have the local band of if you had a party that was the only gig in town. >> once you have math coming out why don't we take the best musician, the best actor the best story teller 57d record it and put it out on radio or records or whatever. i think in theory what could have happened was education before. >> it hasn't, even for basic math multiplication i thought they would be using video games. most want to say no to change the system. >> it's the blob. >> it is. i think we are able to reach students outside of the blob. >> they started using kahn's videos in the classroom. they were skeptical but they are impressed with what it does for the kids. >> they are happy to walk in the

door they are excited about math. it's not oh, math. it's oh my gosh we have math. that's great. >> we assume that most people on their own oodon't want to learnr get engaged in math. most of them are in classrooms not catering to them. >> they were afraid on-line sphinxes would hurt them. >> they taught more math than ever taught before. >> now teaches can tutor kids one-on-one. >> i noticed you were having some issues with fractions. >> you can go at your own pace. >> because kids can go at their own pace. >> i have students who are still working on multiplication. i have students working on math. >> some kids enjoy kahn's mr lessons so much they study at home. >> some are doing 2-3 hours at home i am asking for 15 minutes. >> when i am at home i log on.

it's way more fun to do math. >> after all of these years kids being bored in school not learning math that's over? >> ui think it might be. >> if it happens it will be thanks to the on-line classes or charter school or other experiments that break out of the union dominated government monopoly. thousands of flowers bloom. competition has given us better transportation, technology, everything. don't our kids deserve that, too? >> that's our show, i am john stossel. thanks for watching. and on a budget.ust sta. like a ramen noodle- every-night budget. she thought allstate car insurance was out of her reach. until she heard about the value plan. dollar for dollar, nobody protects you like allstate. whose non-stop day starts with back pain... and a choice.

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