subtropical storm beryl closing in on parts of the east coast and there are signs that it may be strengthening. we'll get the latest. >> kelly: and safety officials start of the summer season. it's here. time to slather on that sun block. "consumer reports" is going to help us find the best brand for you and your family. but first, we begin tonight with the latest in the health care mandate fight. pitting the obama administration against the catholic church. they're at odds, as you can imagine, over a rule forcing some religious institutions to provide employees birth control coverage in their health care plans. now, it's going to the court. molly henneberg live in washington with more details as to why the two sides differ on who will pay for insurance coverage for contraception. what are they? >> reporter: hi, kelly. the obama administration says catholic institutions will not have to pay directly for birth control, sterilization or abortion inducing drugs. that under the new health care mandate, insurance companies will pay. but catholic leaders aren't

buying that. >> sounds great. if it were true. it sounds wonderful, we have this great accommodation and you don't have to worry because you're not going to have to provide or pay for. the insurance company will. we're self-insured. we are the insurance company. so nothing has changed. >> reporter: now, 43 catholic institutions including the university of notre dame and archdiocese of new york, washington, d.c. and st. louis have filed 12 federal lawsuits against the obama administration and that health care mandate. kelly? >> kelly: before they even got to this point, they had gone to the president and the white house over and over again trying to get the obama administration to dial it back. why isn't the white house allowing more religious exemptions on this matter? >> reporter: the white house says the president "believes strongly in religious liberty" but he also believes strongly in providing women with access to contraception. here's more.

>> the president has worked with leaders of religious institutions on this issue. he's instructed his team to do that and will continue to do so as we take further steps to implementing this rule. >> reporter: some bishops are urging churches to ring their bells on june 21st and july 4th as a sign of their support for religious freedom. kelly? >> kelly: all right, molly, good to see you, as always. thanks for keeping us updated on this very important issue. for more on this, you can tune into tomorrow to "fox news sunday" for an exclusive interview, chris wallace sitting down with the archbishop of washington. again, that's on tomorrow at 2:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m. eastern time here on the fox newschannel. >> jamie: turning now to a powerful tradition in new york city. every year in may, massive ships fill new york harbor for fleet week and it's a chance for the

sailors to get some much deserved time off as we thank them for their continued service to our nation. anna coyman with the assignment of the day live at new york harbor near the amphibious carrier, u.s.s. wasp. and anna, you've been doing such a great job today and i know the weather is maybe not going to hold up. how has it been for you to be out there? >> reporter: well, we're crossing our fingers it will hold up. earlier today, it was absolutely gorgeous but what a scene behind me, right? the u.s.s. wasp is the largest ship here for new york fleet week. but 6,000 men and women in uniform from u.s. forces and coalition forces are invading the streets of manhattan and looking for a good time and also getting involved in community outreach campaigns. fleet week 2012 is a great opportunity for families to really be able to thank the service members, tour the ships and check out the assault vehicles. 22 ships began making their way up the hudson river on wednesday. the u.s.s. wasp being the largest but the tall ships commemorating the bicentennial

of the war of 1812 and the star spangled banner, the united states chief of naval operations admiral john greenert up for fleet week highlighting his troop with a special group re-enlistment for 25 sailors, marines and coast guards and a promotion for six naval officers aboard the u.s.s. wasp, we talked exclusively to the cno. >> i find it very touching and emotional in its own right. to do it here in new york city 11 years after 9/11, the place where so much of our country has embraced security and what it's really all about and to have them commit here in new york, very special. >> reporter: and new york is going to be celebrating fleet week until wednesday with a long list of fantastic events including country music star tim mcgraw giving a fantastic concert on memorial day. he's giving away 25 mortgage-free homes to needy or wounded service members. jamie, back to you. >> jamie: that deserves a lot of credit. thanks so much, anna.

>> kelly: the c.i.a. remembering those lost in covert operations, the agency adding a new star to its memorial wall and more than a dozen names to its book of honor. the additions mean that the families can now acknowledge where their loved ones worked when they died. most were killed in terror attacks in lebanon, kenya and pakistan. >> jamie: unfortunately for some, there's extreme weather in memorial day weekend. tropical storm beryl making its way towards the coast. winds expected to reach 45 miles per hour and the storm may strengthen before it makes landfall sometime on sunday. meanwhile, there's also a heat wave gripping millions of americans including in indiana where thousands of race fans are planning to attend the indy 500 tomorrow. forecasters are predicting afternoon temperatures near 97 degrees and that would smash a previous event record of 92 degrees set back in 1937.

>> kelly: in arizona, police are ending an all out man hunt. officers arresting 38-year-old thomas lamont motin. he's suspected of shooting and killing a young mother outside her own daughter's eighth grade graduation ceremony. police say he was the long time boyfriend of the victim, 33-year-old tekisha barnes, the couple had a history of domestic violence and barnes had recently filed an order of protection against him. >> jamie: sudden end to a hostage stand-off we were watching in indiana. police identifying that gunman as 48-year-old roy ferguson. they say he walked into the prudential executive group offices and attacked an employee. most of the frightened employees hid under their desks but not this woman. she confronted him. >> i came out and i just like looked at him and i said get the -- out! and at that time, he drew a gun and when he drew the gun, i quick backed up into my office and shut the door.

barricade the door and barricaded the door, we heard initially just two shots and then we heard several shots which i understand was the cops coming in later. i felt like i was being a rock underneath my desk. and then i got a text from my son saying i love you, mom, and worrying. that's when you know. >> jamie: that woman even apologized for using an expletive as she described it. you can understand. police got into a shootout with that gunman and a swat team ended up storming the building. ferguson found with three gunshot wounds and he was rushed to the hospital where he died and thank goodness only one hostage was injured. and thankfully treated and released. >> kelly: and that woman was, of course, very calm and collected. but it's not the situation in syria where there are new reports of a massacre in syria. the head of the u.n. observer team reporting, you're just hearing an explosion right there in the video we're showing you, more than 90 people including dozens of children under the age of 10, this is one of the

deadliest days yet in the 14-month-old uprising. the attack sparking outrage, demonstrators risking more bloodshed by taking to the streets and protesting against the regime. and the results coming in for egypt's first genuinely competitive presidential election. a run-off election shaping up between two candidates offering stark contrasts, the religious and the secular. one is a member of the muslim brotherhood and the other is a former air force general. leland vittert is streaming live with more details. good day to you, sir. >> reporter: good day to you, kelly from cairo. nighttime here on the nile river. we have yet to get official results in but the newspapers are already putting this battle line together. you have on the left here, on the right muhammad morsey, the brotherhood leader. we'll start with morsey who said he wants to turn egypt the

mother of the arab world. some 85 million people with control of the suez canal into an islamic state with sharia law. one woman we talked to today who described herself as a somewhat devout muslim said she feared that under him, under a muslim brotherhood presidency, because they also control the parliament, egypt will become something worse than or at least equal to iran which would certainly change the power dynamic here in the middle east. on the other hand, you have the other candidate who was the member of the old regime. he was president mubarak's prime minister. so the revolutionaries who were in the square and came out and said they want a liberal democracy in egypt were not happy with either of these two choices. one guy we talked to said he may in fact stay home from the polls. they talked about having a democratic egypt and they may not even vote in the final election scheduled to take place

june 16th and june 17th and the army then may transition power, they say, around july 1st. this also sets up an interesting dynamic, though, when it comes to the army. this guy was in the army. this guy would be a real threat to the army and the army has always been a huge power base here in egypt and the thought is that if one wins, we return back to business as usual. a number of the protesters say they will go into the square again to protest this election and his return to the old ways. on the other hand, if the muslim brotherhood takes over, the question will be will the army truly give up all of its power or will it remain the power behind the throne? kelly, back to you. >> kelly: all right, history being made right there in egypt and our leland right there reporting for us. thank you. >> jamie: he is credited with helping america capture usama bin laden. but now, shaquille afreti is fighting for his own life. he's been sentenced this week to 33 years in prison for treason raising new questions about

pakistan's response and washington's tense relationship with -- relationship, rather, with islamabad. peter doocy with more in washington. the u.s. took steps to protect dr. afridi before his arrest according to a senior administration official but we weren't able to and because we weren't, some in the intelligence community say it's going to be hard to recruit foreign assets in the future because nobody wants to end up in a pakistani prison for 33 years. these guys were critical during the cold war. they're critical, each more critical to get into these small networks for the war on terror and frankly, going forward now, why would anybody want to cooperate with us if they think they may end up like this guy in some regard. >> reporter: since they are prosecuting this man and not anybody that helped hide usama bin laden, dianne feinstein has treated that pakistan's treatment of dr. afridi, the man that assisted the u.s. to find bin laden makes me wonder which side of this war pakistan is on. and experts say it's hard to fathom why one of our allies is

having such an adverse reaction to us taking out the world's most wanted man. >> this is a very strange alliance between the united states and pakistan. we're both fighting al-qaida. we're both fighting taliban. had this happened, for example, with england, with france, with israel, even with yemen, if we have an enemy terrorist on those territories and have sent the drones, they wouldn't have reacted that way. >> reporter: even though a senate committee voted unanimously to withhold $33 million in aid for pakistan, a million for every year of dr. afridi's sentence until he's free, there's no indication that the pakistanis are considering letting him go. jamie? >> jamie: that's peter doocy reporting from washington. thank you. >> kelly: and a tornado that leveled a house in nebraska caught on tape. take a look at this incredible video that you're looking at right now. it's a huge tornado. witnesses say only a few walls are left standing after this twister you're looking at ripped the roof right off the house leaving piles of wood and insulation. the owner says he and his family

took shelter just seconds before it hit. no other structures in this rural community were damaged in the storm we're happy to say. >> jamie: and check out, kelly, this amazing coast guard rescue. all caught on tape. it happened a few miles off the coast of miami. five people trapped on a disabled boat getting beaten up pretty bad in the big ways. it happened yesterday morning. well, the guardsman using a rope to pull that disabled boat up to the cutter and they got all five of those off safely. >> kelly: can you imagine being out there like that? >> jamie: they're the pros. >> kelly: they have long stood against raising new taxes but are some republicans now abandoning that philosophy and could it affect policy making on capitol hill? we'll have a fair and balanced debate coming up next. >> jamie: plus, we're taking a look at the latest on those wildfires that are raging across several western states. >> kelly: and a billion dollar nuclear submarine completely torched in a devastating fire. now, investigators are trying to determine what went wrong.

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>> kelly: welcome back. a quick check of the headlines for you. evacuations ordered in a new mexico town as the fire there at a national forest continues to burn. meantime, colorado crews are battling a new fire along the colorado-utah border. joe biden delivering the commencement address at west point military academy in new york. praising the graduates for choosing military service in a post-9/11 world. and a singer in critical condition right now in north carolina after undergoing colon surgery. the blind artist has received several grammys including the lifetime achievement award. >> jamie: new signs to take a look at. big shift on capitol hill after a growing number of republicans seem to be turning their backs on that party's long standing policy against tax hikes. it's an agreement by the group of americans for tax reform and

it's simply called, among g.o.p.ers, the pledge. republicans have been signing it for years but now, some of the party's youngest members seem to be opting out. drafting their own policies instead. so could this be a sign of maybe some flexibility on capitol hill about tax hikes? phil muster is the president of the new frontier strategy, former executive director of the republican governors association and marjorie cliffton is a former consultant to the obama campaign and principal of cliffton consulting and it's great to see both of you. >> thank you. good to see you. >> jamie: welcome on this memorial day weekend as we remember all those who serve, we think about us and the part that taxpayers really play in spending in all of our needs and phil, let me start with you, how critical has this pledge been let's say historically to the g.o.p.? >> well, i think it's been important. i've known grover for a long time and both grover personally and americans in general have made important contributions to

the conservative movement. bottom line is republicans favor lower marginal tax rates and the pledge advocates a promise not to do that but the issue is larger than any one person or any one individual so members have to make their own choices about this pledge but what i wouldn't read into this is a broad kind of reconsideration of what i think is the majority if not the totality of the republicans in the united states congress being opposed to increases in marginal tax rates in the context of tax reform. looking for simpler, flatter and more pro growth oriented policies. >> jamie: marjorie, without this particular pledge, specifically being a part of it, take a look at this poll and let me get your reaction first. then phil, of course, and it talks about the raising of taxes on the wealthy and whether or not it will hurt or help the economy. these were all registered voters taken into account and a high percentage of them say it will help. how do you interpret this?

>> well, i think it means that americans are realists and any economist in the country would tell you that it's impossible to address our deficit without raising taxes. unfortunately, that's just the real fact of the matter. so this pledge poses a real problem because it doesn't set americans up for success. it creates an environment in congress where you've got democrats saying look, we're going to have to raise taxs if we're going to deal with this and you have a group of republicans who are not bending on anything. and making absolutes is a real problem. if you look back at the reagan administration and bush sr., they both had to raise taxes to address the deficit and to address the economies under their administration so this has been a real anomaly, i should say, at present time for these republicans to be coming out and making this definite statement which puts the whole kunlt at a stand still and really puts us in danger of not getting anything done. >> jamie: do you interpret that poll the same way? >> that poll is better than a lot i've seen, a lot of polls on

the class warfare of dividing the country with uninformed false choices but the reality is that i think what this fall campaign is largely going to be about is whether we're going to enact pro growth tax reform policies that, you know, simplify and flatten a monsterous out of control tax code that's got crony capitalism at its core. that we reform entitlements that are essentially moving us towards and over the cliff to fiscal disaster. as marjorie aptally points out, i think it's a world view as whether you need to be producing more revenue or cutting spending. spending is the core focus of what republicans are focusing on and changes to the tax code would encourage growth. >> jamie: glad you brought that up. let me ask both of you. phil, you first and then i want both sides of the issue. reforming the tax code. how critical is that, whether or not you sign the pledge? >> it's -- i mean, i think it's fundamental. i hope we could both agree that our tax code is too complicated, too long, too convoluted and

essentially creating cottage industries that do nothing but retard american enterprise so from our perspective, we need to reform it and i think eric cantor will do it this summer in the house. >> jamie: marjorie? >> i think the danger in the pledge is the absolutes and i think mitt romney has signed on to the mrenl. as my grandfather has said, there's nothing certain in life except death and taxes. i think it's problematic to make absolute statements about anything. >> jamie: reform the tax code, though, marjorie? >> well, that remains in question. i think until we get a congress that's willing to come to the table, that's willing to have a conversation and right now, with this pledge in place, it's making it impossible. >> jamie: an answer sort of, not answer. i don't have a clear picture of whether or not democrats are committed to the tax code that's this big maybe bringing it down. but thanks so much to both of you. >> remains to be told. >> jamie: we'll keep an eye on for folks. it's a lot of pages, kelly! >> kelly: it's a lot. lots to read through.

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new challenges as the war in afghanistan winds down. and the vatican now confirming that the pope's butler has been arrested in an embarrassing scandal. the member of the papal household arrested after secret documents were found in his apartment. >> kelly: investigators are scouring the crippled u.s.s. miami at a maine shipyard trying to determine what caused the fire that injured seven people and what can be salvaged from the nearly billion dollar nuclear submarine of the beth jones has more from our affiliate. >> it happened. >> reporter: intense heat, smoke, toxic fumes and only one way in or out. it's a scene unlike any other, even for those who were trained for this type of scenario. a fire inside a nuclear sub. jamie adams who is the first female firefighter in the shipyard's history says she'll never forget the team work. >> chaos and a lot of hard

working going on. a lot of brotherhood. lot of people taking care of each other and pretty good. >> it's like being in a tin can with no ventilation, no one knows nothing and the heat builds up. no place for it to go except for where the firefighters are going in and coming out. >> reporter: maine senator susan collins and olympia snowe as well as another from new hampshire visited the shipyard and told firefighters how grateful they were over the grueling work in the hours that it took to extinguish the flames. they were a little worse for the wear. >> a little sore. got to keep going. >> reporter: but also inspired. >> i can't say enough about it. it humbles you. you know, it makes you want to do your job. >> kelly: that was beth jones reporting from the fox affiliate wgme in maine. >> jamie: how about this growing outrage? not surprising after a school nurse refuses to let a student use his inhaler. the child is 17 years old. he's from florida saying his school actually confiscated his

inhaler because he did not have a permission slip from his parents for it. well, then the student had a sudden asthma attack and they refused to give it back. by the time his mother arrived to clear things up, he had collapsed. >> it was horrible. within seconds my mom came into the door before i hit the floor. >> and he looks up at me with tears in his eyes and said mom, i thought i was going to die. i was like lady, why didn't you call 911? what is wrong with you? >> jamie: susan says she's filed a complaint with the sheriff's office and the school board. meantime, student health services investigating to make sure the school did follow proper protocol. >> kelly: that's really shocking but that incident also coming amid new warnings about asthma inhaleers and how they may actually increase the risk of irregular heartbeats. >> jamie: the school worried about liability. they wanted to make sure they had the parents' permission. latest warning about these inhalers coming in time for asthma awareness month which we

are in and dr. steven apaliski is the author of "beating asthma, seven simple principles." if you or someone you love has asthma, this book has it all, doctor. thank you for writing it, first of all and coming in today. how serious is asthma? >> thanks for having me. asthma is a serious problem. 4,000 people in america die from asthma. 30 million americans or more have asthma and the fact of the matter is more than half of them is probably not as well controlled as they could be. a lot of suffering and a lot of heartache goes out there with asthma. >> jamie: what do you think of that story with the child? >> i'm shocked. i'm not a lawyer but, you know, the thought that comes to my mind is criminal. i just -- you know, the paperwork wasn't done so the child has to suffer? i just find it so hard to believe. >> kelly: do you think it's because a lot of people are not aware of asthma and its impact on people, how it can lead to death? >> it might be, kelly, but she was a nurse and the fact of the matter is everybody is worried about liability, doing something they're not supposed to do.

but i don't even think 911 was called for this young man when he was serious enough to kind of be collapsing from his asthma. >> kelly: for those with asthma, how can they learn to control it and even beat it, which is the suggestion of your title? >> in the book, i talk about seven principles and the idea about beating asthma is controlling it the best you can. so it's not -- it's not curing the disease. in 2012, we cannot do that at this point. i'll be honest with you. but better control can be achieved for those people who are suffering with unneeded problems. >> jamie: have we made progress? >> you know, it's disheartening because we haven't made a lot of progress over 10 years or so and that's one of the reasons that i wrote "beating asthma." instead of trying to educate positions, i'll educate people and empower them. bring them a lot of information to the table. >> kelly: let's bring up a few points that you mentioned in the seven principles here. for example, the problem. acknowledging that. i think we've done that. but then you go on to point out,

prevention. can you prevent asthma? >> i think you can prevent the problems from occurring. it's prevention by avoidance. so let's say you have allergy to cat and it produces asthma in your case. a cat is not an ideal household pet for you. if you can avoid these things, then you can prevent it from happening. an asthma attack and everyone else from it. >> there are triggers? >> there are triggers. if you can avoid these triggers you can reduce the problems. >> jamie: i don't know anyone who has asthma. >> kelly: i have a son that has asthma, 24 years old. he was out rock climbing, he began wheezing and thought it was a cold only to discover he has asthma. >> jamie: what does this feel like, doc? >> it's a tightening in your chest, some people describe it as. little kids say it feels like an elephant sitting on their chest. it's almost as if you take a deep breath and let part of it out and not all of it and try to breathe from there. very uncomfortable after a minute or so. >> jamie: it sounds scary. are parts of the country, i've heard in the past, move to arizona. are there parts of the country

that help? >> we used to tell people to move to arizona or southwest and it seemed to help but nowadays there's really nowhere you can move to that will get you away from it. but if you know that you have certain triggers and let's say pollution is one of them and the air in america is cleaner than it was 20 years ago but you can move to an area that's less polluted now and that would most likely help you. >> kelly: you talk about the relationship between a patient and physician and developing a positive mindset. how do those two elements help someone beat asthma? >> i'm passionate about that. this idea of treating someone with chronic illness when you're a physician, this has to be a collaborative relationship. the patient brings their expertise and their body or their child's body and they understand what's happening with them. they bring that to you. as a physician, i have to listen to that and bring my expertise as a physician. together in that collaborative relationship, we really can beat asthma. and in the whole idea of positive mindset is believing you can do it. you can't cure asthma through positive thinking but what i'm saying is if you're persistent in your efforts and believe that

it can be done, that keeps you adhered to your therapy and you have a good chance of getting better. >> jamie: sounds like don't ignore it. >> don't ignore it. >> jamie: the book is very helpful. i don't know how many books there are out there but this is not a huge one and very comprehensive. so we hope we helped people today. >> kelly: i think we help people. i know a gentleman in his 50's who still fights asthma. >> jamie: don't smoke. i imagine that's important. thank you. very nice to meet you. >> thank you for having me. very nice to be here. thank you so much. >> kelly: governor romney is taking aim at a growing divide in our nation's schools saying millions of kids are getting "a third world education." but coming up, susan esteridge on what our next president needs to do to fix our nation's school systems. >> jamie: plus time to let your inner geek out. oh, come on, folks! be proud if you are. if you didn't make it, we have the highlights.

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start at just $699. >> the bad news is my buddy kelly missed it again. the good news is it was a major economic boost for one u.s. city this weekend. a little help from "star wars" and superheroes, even a couple of villians much it's this year's comic-con, it was in phoenix and expected to be the biggest yet. thousands of self-described nerds, well, they dress up as their favorite fantasy characters. hopefully they only do it for the convention. not every day. but to some, there's much more to it. >> i'm currently working on an imam from the legend -- >> the different between a geek and a nerd, a geek knows he's a geek. i've been a geek since i was a little geek. >> i call myself a nerd. >> don't take life too seriously. that's a big part of what i enjoy about hanging around people like this. >> jamie: ok. the economic impact of comic-con is undeniable, about $5 million

in three days. kelly, it seems made for you. >> kelly: ok. ironman. well, governor mitt romney focusing on education this week. highlighting an educational divide in this country. calling it a civil rights issue. listen. >> here we are in the most prosperous nation on earth but millions of our kids are getting a third world education. and america's minority children suffer the most. this is the civil rights issue of our era. and it's the greatest challenge of our time. >> kelly: based on that, my next guest says she welcomes a debate on education but says governor romney needs to go beyond the same old campaign pitches and work towards real solutions. susan esteridge is a professor of law and political science at u.s.c. and a fox news contributor. susan, i haven't seen you in a while but you always bring good news to the table, especially i appreciate your perspective on a

lot of issues. what about this issue with governor romney and his stance that education is a third world education in america and has become the most pressing civil rights issue? >> well, first, kelly, great to see you and actually, i completely agree with governor romney. we haven't heard too much about education so far. the focus, obviously, has been on the economy but, you know, if you think about it in the long term, nothing is more important to our economy, to national security, to the health of our democracy than having an educated population and i think kids of color and poor kids and frankly lots of middle-class kids are suffering in second class schools. the hard question is what are you going to do about it? i mean, it's easy to rail against the teachers union and give report cards to schools and say, charter schools are terrific. but, you know, you got to take these big urban high schools that are failing and tell us what are you going to do with

them? >> kelly: governor romney in philadelphia said one thing you have to do with them is, perhaps, add more students to the classroom size and that was met with some resistance from teachers in west philadelphia saying wait a minute, i don't know too many teachers or parents out there that would want to add more students to the classroom situation to add more pressure on the student -- on a teacher, rather. so is governor romney totally in touch with the education program and how to change it? >> well, i think it's -- it's a tough one, kelly. look, if there were a magic bullet, we'd be shooting it. you know, there's nothing magical, i will say, about class size. i mean, certainly most teachers and parents will tell you that, you know, less is more. and smaller is better. on the other hand, technology and having specialists, and having teachers' aides can help in going beyond the class size debate. hard part, let's be honest, is that while money doesn't solve

the education problem, having less money makes it worse and not better. and while there are teachers out there who frankly have no place in the classroom, the big problem we face right now is that most of the new teachers are washing out so fast, and you know, half the teachers are leaving in five years so we've got to retain the good teachers. >> kelly: why is that in your opinion? has the obama administration or the previous bush administration, have they done the right thing with race to the top and leave no child behind in terms of retaining good teachers, people who can be in the classroom and inspire kids to learn how to read, write and become productive citizens? >> look, i think they're trying. i mean, part of it is there's this mix, as you know, kelly, education is one at the local level and people feel very strongly about it, but many localities in many states don't have enough money and resources so you have this federal, state, local mix. i also think i've been involved in education reform for 15 years. and you get young people coming

in to assist in a system that doesn't support them, being expected to handle a whole bunch of problems from kids who come to school hungry and don't have families and the like. these teachers need support and need professional development. we have to have more accountability at the school sites that we can expect results but also give power to make them happen rather than as we've done, you know, just give them a report card and say you're failing. why? >> kelly: you're absolutely right and it is good that, as you said, that governor romney is bringing education to the forefront and having a debate so he and the obama administration but here's one thing that's been missing. people are not talking about literacy anymore. the childhood illiteracy rate is staggering and actually causing a lot of students to fail before they even begin. you're absolutely right, kelly and it's a tragedy because if students can't read, they're going to be stuck right there

and, you know, we've had this debate. do you have social procemotion? do you keep discourage them by holding them back? but we all, i think, have to understand that if the student simply can't read, if they don't have basic skills, we've got to have people in those classrooms who work with them and help them and frankly, a lot of kids are coming from families where their parents can't help them with the homework but what they can do is insist that they do the homework. and what we've all learned is parental involvement, you don't have to know -- i can't do my kids' math but make sure they're doing it. >> kelly: a lot of those places from that point alone, talking about literacy. thank you so much for joining us and sharing your perspective with us and don't forget, by the way, you can read susan's syndicated column in newspapers across the country every wednesday and friday. >> jamie: very important topic for our families and also this burning question we face every summer. what's the best sunscreen to use? "consumer reports" is here. they've got the tips to keep you

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>> kelly: welcome back. as you know, this special three-day weekend kicks off the unofficial start of summer. and that means it's time to pick a sunscreen as you enjoy all those outdoor activities. but which one is the right one, jamie? >> jamie: i say you should put it on all year long but especially now, you want to be careful and "consumer reports" tested 18 different sunscreens. their june issue ranks the best products to protect you from the sun without burning a hole in your wallet. we love a good deal. jamie hirst joining us now, senior associate editor of "consumer reports." four are here. i guess they must have made the grade. >> yeah, so the four i brought with me today are among the best sunscreens that you can get both for protecting against uvb rays which are accounted for in the spf number and for protecting against ultraviolet a. that's the other type of dangerous ray that comes from the sun, it can contribute to wrinkles and also to skin aging. that's what actually tans you. >> jamie: heck no.

which one is going to prevent the wrinkles and keep us safe from skin cancer? >> the two in the middle provide the best combination of quality. it's a brand that comes in large increments. this is an spf 45. great protection against uva and uvb. >> less than $10? >> yeah, this comes to less than $0.60 an ounce. you should be putting on a lot of sunscreen when you put it on. this is a spray option for people that prefer a spray. this is an spf 50. and with the sprays, you just want to be careful if it's windy, like maybe spray them on your hands and then rub them in. it's a better chance that you'll get full coverage. >> jamie: if the kids let you put it on. that's always a challenge. >> yes and the f.d.a. is looking into the safe safety of spray

sunscreens for children right now. there's some concern about the effect of inhaling the spray. it's best to not use sprays on kids. again, put it on the hands first, then rub. then do it again if you need to. >> kelly: shouldn't spray a little child either. >> really, the lotions are probably the better way to go for kids. >> jamie: tell us so people get this message to take home. what's in these that makes them so effective? what ingredient should we look for at the right price? >> most sunscreens have chemical sun blocking ingredients in them. oxybenzone and ava benzone are two of the biggest uva and uvb blocking ingredients respectively. about 2% can help ensure that you're getting a good uva protection. the good news is that f.d.a. has finally passed new regulations for how sunscreens can be labelled and if the sunscreen says broad spectrum on the label, it must protect against both uva and uvb.

>> kelly: and everyone, we should point out, should use some sort of sunscreen during the summer or if you're in a hot place. >> also, you need to use enough and you need to reapply every couple of hours if you swim or you've been sweating, even if it says water resistant or sweat resistant, reapply. you can really not use too much. >> jamie: sounds good. two for you, two for me. thanks so much. nice to see you. that is going to do it for us. thanks so much for joining us. here's some news you can use today. >> kelly: lot of good news. fox report coming up with harris faulkner. that's going to be next. make sure you stay tuned and watch harris. >> jamie: take it away, harris. my name is robin...

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