has had the meeting. we didn't close the door. i let him know if he would produce meaningful documents, meaningful relative to the sub pee he that and speaker's request before tomorrow's startup we would certainly postpone and evaluate those documents. i'm not optimistic at this

point. >> greta: how late are you open for business tonight? any indication there will be a delivery tonight? >> we will be here all night. our offices will be open until after completion tomorrow. >> greta: does this mean assu e assuming there are no documents to come from the department of justice the attorney general between now and tomorrow about 10:00 a.m. does this mean that you intend to go full speed ahead and speak to hold him in contempt or at least vote it out of the committee. >> we have no choice but for refusal to deliver documents relative to a lawful su pena wa we have no choice but to hold him in contempt. we would like the documents. brian terry's family would like the documents that are respon e responsive as to how in fact their son was gun the down with weapons that came from lawful dealers but at the behest of the justice department. >> greta: have you had any

conversation in the last 36-48 hours with the speaker of the house as to anything about this request or fast and furious? >> we have stayed in touch with the speaker's staff. really his letter laid out a very reasonable extraordinarily reasonable limitation on what it would take to prevent contempt. and we further narrowed that after the discovery of the wiretap. so i think the speaker has spoken pretty loudly. he stands i believe shoulder to shoulder with all of us saying please just give us the documents we need to conclude our investigation. >> greta: let's assume, let's jump ahead and assume tomorrow there is a vote out of the committee for contempt and a vote by the house of representatives for contempt. what is the practical effect? what do you get in the end? you don't get your documents but what do you get? >> sadly, the attorney general said in the meeting if we go forward with contempt we would get no cooperation from that

time forward. on the other hand he said if we would take the briefing we would have to close the case. so we are are sort of between a rock and a hard spot. we really have to go forward. yes, contempt is unusual and the u.s. attorney pleading the case before a federal judge in d.c. can take some time and unfortunately during that time we don't expect to get a lot of new discovery. but again, you really have no choice when the executive branch says no, we won't allow you to look into misconduct within the executive branch. >> greta: tonight the attorney general said that one of my colleagues -- one of my co colleagues there was. he said we have made availabl e an unprecedented number of documents that might resolve this matter. have they provided an unprecedented number of documents? >> not at all. 7,600 documents roughly. almost half of which are rega d regarding an operation that e d ended during the bush administration is far from

complete. and let's remember the inspec inspector generals there has been two of them looking into this have received over 80,000-pages. on a scale of what we asked for that is limited. on a scale -- on a fact basis of what we know exists obviou obviously it is insufficient. again, what we he have asked for is limited. we are not looking for information that would lead to the interruption of any ongoing criminal case. but we are looking for the misconduct that occurred within justice giving us false testimony and then standing by it for the best part of a year. >> greta: do you think the attorney general is deliberat deliberately trying to cover something up? or that he has a difference of opinion as to what he should turn over to you, even lawfully turn over to you? >> i think often what happens is to avoid embarrassment they don't provide information or they cover up what they know and then the coverup becomes the problem. again, we are looking simply to

get to the bottom of how it was that guns were allowed to walk and the administration would tell us that guns never allowed to walk when in fact they were and another best part of a year went by from february to november before they finally retracted that and said yes, we really did let guns walk. >> tell me what happened. he shows up at the capital. where did you meet? how long did it take. in what it was like inside? >> we met in one of the upsta r upstairs conference rooms on the third floor of the capitol, right beneath the rotunda. senator leahy, congressman cummings, deputy attorney general cole and the attorney general on one side. is senator grassley on myself on the other side. we were hoping to hear about what the documents would be and see some of them. instead, they presented no paper. and they simply told us in return for ending the investigation they would give aus briefing and some supportive documents but we had to agree to end the investigation outright without

seeing the documents. and greta, you have been an attorney and have gone through discovery. nobody agrees to a settlement based on documents not seen and that is exactly what we were asked to do. >> greta: what did you say to him when told you that what were your words to him? >> what i said really was that i would certainly hold the doors open until tomorrow morning until we go to the ma k markup in the hopes that he would change his mind and deliver a meaningful amount of documents responsive to the subpoena. very clearly he knew. he was a line attorney for 12 years. he knew we couldn't take this deal. it wasn't a good faith offer based on what he would do if he was on the other side of the table. we have an obligation to find out who was responsible and he hasn't fired any one so it is kind of hard to believe that he has found out who is respons responsible. >> greta: a very short meeting. somebody called it is over, time's up. who said this is over? i assume someone said it is g

going no where. are who said what to end this? >> that is always the question. in this case, senator leahy got up and request said i have got to two back to a vote. senator grassley got up shortly thereafter. mr. cummings got up to go and then i got up. ultimately the meeting had resolved everything that we could go back and forth probably 20 minute earlier we gave opportunity for mr. cole, for the attorney general hold r holder, for senator leahy and mr. cummings to each state their positions and that took about five minutes apiece. >> greta: did you communicate to him right then and there look i'm going forward tomorr w tomorrow? did you tell him that? >> i did. i told him that he gave us nothing that would cause us not to go forward. but that we would hold the doors open for actual discove y discovery. >> and he said what when you told him that? >> well, he started through the same line that he used in public statements that you have

seen before judicialary unprecedented access, nobody can give you the deliberative process, we are willing to do it but it is unprecedented. and again, we are sorry to have to ask for this information but i he think the american people by now if they have been foll w following fast and furious know that we don't have answers relative to who was sponsible for brian terry as it went up the chain. we certainly don't have any information about how a document that was false remai remained out there for ten months. >> greta: what was his demeanor when you told him that no dice i'm going forward and that is my word no dice obviously? >> it was a calm meeting. i think that the exchange of letters told us that unless positions changed we would end up where we are. he came in basically consistent with a much earlier letter that said that he would provide us a briefing and then documents that supported it. but let's understand the problem is he has already rea h reached the conclusion that

they did nothing wrong. his briefing very clearly is going to tell us they did nothing wrong, that he has made the changes necessary because of the failed policy that we began during the bush administration and he ended. and that he would give us such documents as he deemed we nee needed to understand that he was innocent. that is an interesting defense. it is one that i don't think you would ever suggest be used in a court. >> greta: congressman, thank you, sir. and we look forward to seeing what happens tomorrow. and i hope you come back soon, sir. >> of course. thank you, greta. >> greta: and late tonight deputy attorney general james cole send agler to congressman issa. the deputy attorney general writes we had hoped that you shared our interest in bringing this matter to an amicable solution an and we regret thatu reejected our extraordinary proprosal to do so.

now, to news developing tonight out of egypt. conflicting reports whether the former president hosni mubarak is dead. earlier tonight, 84-year-old mubarak was rushed from his prison cell to a military hospital. ousted egyptian president is serving a life sentence and right now you are looking at live pictures from egypt. people are gathering outside mubarak's hospital. his health crisis is adding more uncertainty to egypt's already political unrest. egyptians are waiting to find out the results for a successor to mubarak. your thoughts of what ising if on in egypt? >> i think the situation could deteriorate very quickly through a kind of judicial co p coop, the parliamentary elections were ruled invalid. the muslim brotherhood and its allies had close to 75% of the seats. those are gone. both candidates for the presidency includeing the muslm brotherhood candidate declared

themselves winners and the electoral commission is still sorting out the votes. meantime the military redefined what the president's duties are and now people are back out on the streets in the square. i think this is very nearly on the boiling point here. >> greta: what does it mean for israel? egypt for 33 years has sort of been the stablizeing force this and maintains to the extent there is a lid onish jews in the middle east for israel. ha had the lid ton. what does this mean for israel. >> potentially very dangerous. the strategic situation changed dramatically. where mubarak kept the lid on the muslim brotherhood, kept them in their place and honored the camp david peace agreement. now, with the brotherhood potentially coming to power i think the camp david accord is at risk and in any event there are clear indications that terrorists are roaming free across the peninsula, that it is not under control and that

jeopardizes israel's security, too. a very tense situation there. >> greta: let me swing around the middle east to syria as well as to the g20 in mexico. president obama speaking tonight. your thoughts about president obama and the g20 and what is going on in syria? >> it is clear that obama ran into a brick wall when it came to syria and that brick wall is named vladimir putin. putin didn't give an inch. i have to say the president's performance at the press conference if it reflected his mood showed it was a pretty grim meeting with putin because he basically said well, i hope to keep trying to persuade him to come tornado get rid of as a assad. no movement on that. no chance the russians going to agree to this. every indication this violence and killing is going to go on. >> greta: an interesting report the ap saying putin backed off his support for the president of syria. >> prime minister cameron of england, great britain said

putin agreed assad could go. the statement from by prime minister cannon is not reconcilable with the obama statement. had president obama heard putin said he was prepared to see a assad depart, i believe he would have said that. there is obviously a contra addiction can there. it sounded to me like president obama recognized there is little to no chance to persuade putin to throw assad under the bus. >> greta: plus, russia has economic interest in syria and iran as well. why would they do that? >> they long had close defense ties. they had their most important naval base outside of russia in syria. they sell sophisticated weapons systems to syria, air defense systems. neither russia nor iran wants this default. >> so the overall -- >> i think he wishes he had been in los cabos just on

vacation and not having meeti g meetings with the g20. >> i think he looked disspiri disspiritted. >> he hit a brick wall. he got nothing out of putin and didn't hear are good news from the europeans on their economic situation which he is worried about spilling over into the united states and affecting his reelection. >> greta: ambassador, thank y u you, sir. >> thank you. >> greta: straight ahead. laura bush tapped to get a big honor but also coming under attack by some other women. what shocking things are they saying about mrs. bush and why? that controversy is next. also the big political mystery, who is governor romney going to select as vice presidential running mate and did governor romney just give everyone a big hint? you will hear from governor romney and senator marco rubio. woman: when i left my job, i knew it'd be tough on our retirement savings, especially in this economy. but with three kids, being home more really helped.

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>> greta: former first lady laura bush a top honor. museum dedicating to advanceing women will give mrs. bush its highest award 22 women are protesting. a national organization for women cofounders saying the former first lady has never done anything for women to get this award. really? is she talking about the same lawyer bush who went all over the mid east raising breast awareness and spent so much

time helping the women of afghanistan and still does or promotes literacy for all including single mothers? why the attack on the first lady? any thoughts as is to why the 22 women are critical of mrs mrs. bush saying that she has never done anything for women? >> i feel as though they just didn't do their research. they wanted to attack rather to than to make an accurate statement and therefore they -- i'm kind of curious to see if they will back off now that they are getting criticized for the position they have taken. >> greta: i have backlogged i t it. she has done an enormous amount for. >> i she has been passionate about healthcare and heart disease and breast care and breast cancer. this is not a woman that tee serves any kind of criticism for not doing anything for women and it is unfortunate when you have women attacking women when right now that perspective needs to be aa uni. >> greta: i would call that a

war on women. you mentioned healthcare. we are approaching the supreme court decision. your thoughts as we approach this? >> everybody is weighing this on what their thoughts are. if anybody knew what was going to happen i'm sure they would get to ring the bell and say they are successful. i believe the supreme court will come out with a decision very quickly as early as next week and we are looking to se see -- i believe that at least the individual mandate will be declared unconstitutional. even if they just decide that that portion of that bill is unconstitutional really the rest of it falls in on itself. it becomes complete play unaffordable. >> greta: you were a business person before you came to congress. whether it is constitutional or not is separate from the effect it will actually create on small businesses if you had a chance to look at that. >> oh, absolutely. >> greta: and any, you know, tell me. >> i travel all over my state. i'm from south dakota but small businesses tell me every single day that they cannot face the

uncertainty that this bill creates. not knowing how much the healthcare costs will rise and exactly what the penalties might be. they say the only certainty will be to pay the penalty for each individual employee up front and then drop the healthcare plan. the president obviously wasn't telling the truth when told everyone during the campaign to get the bill passed everyone could keep the plan if they liked it. if a small business owner decides to end the healthcare plan that employee he doesn't have the option any more. >> greta: we do have a huge population that need help and are sick and don't have the means. what happens if the bill is declareded unconstitutional? do you have a plan for them? >> there has been plans propo e proposed before and conversations about risk pools but not just risk pools like we traditionally seen them but much broader scale nationwide to where people with preexisting conditions that are very sick are such a small blip on the screen it is not going impact them like it would in a very small healthcare situati n

situation. we have proposeles a and solutions for that but the difference in that is that we want to make sure we are doing that in an open process where everybody understands what is in the bill as we bring it forward and propose it. >> greta: we are all waiting to see what happens. stands or struck be down in its entirety or simply be the mandate. right now, everybody is sort of on hold. especially people who need health insurance and small business people and everybody else. >> it comes down to everybody making their own healthcare decisions or the government making it and that is the choices we have in front of us and the supreme court decision is going be a big step in se seeing which direction this country is going to go. >> greta: representative, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> greta: coming up, big news in the search for a governor romney running mate. what did governor mitt romney just say? and then straight to senator marco rubio for his response. that's next. imagine owning prime real estate in the condition's bi

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>> greta: tonight governor mitt romney says the media is wrong. contrary to reports the governor says senator marco rubio is being vetted for the republican ticket. what does senator rubio have to say about a possible vice presidential run? we asked him. nice to see you.

>> good to see you. >> first a report this morning from abc news you were not on the short list to be vice president for governor romney and then by the end of the day governor romney speaks out about this and says marco rubio is being thoroughly vetted as part of our process. how has th the day been? >> an interesting day. you know, look, i don't want to talk about the process up to this point. it is governor romney's process and i want to be respectful of that. i think all of us involved in politics should be he respec respectful of the process. he has an important choice to make and he will make a great choice i'm confident of that. i think out of respect of what he is going three you and the process they are rui running through i made a policy of not talking about it. >> we have been busy voting on the senate floor and out there talking about our book. obviously you hear it from time to time. but you look it is just all part of the process. been quite an interesting right around here the last few mont s months. >> greta: have you actually talked to the governor today? >> i have not.

>> greta: on the question of emgreat lakes. the president signed an executive order about immigration for a certain segment of societ sew society. >> i don't agree with how he did it, that is for sure. there is a consensus and i ta k talked about this with you and others we do want to help the young people undocumented through no fault of their own. graduated high school and have a good grades a lot to contribute to the future. we have to help them in the right way. how do you help these kids who need the help but do it in a way that doesn't encourage illegal immigration. that is not an easy balance but we have to get it right otherwise it could have significant unintended consequences. the way the president has done this there is no discussion. he is by fiat shoving this down the throat of the american people and more importantly ignoring the constitution and the congressional process. i know i get frustrated with congress. that doesn't mean i'm about to ignore the republic because i have a really good idea that i think everybody else should see

it the way i do. that is really the problem. from a practical point of view what the president has done is going to make it harder for us to arrive at a reasonable bipartisan balanced approach to these kids' situation and i think it is going to in the short-term i know a lot of these kids will be happy because they are desperate for a solution. what they really need is a long-term solution. it will make it harder to find one. >> greta: is the president si n signing the executive order is it an unlawful exercise of power? an unconstitutional move? >> i think it ignores the constitution. >> greta: are you saying sport of politely it was unconstitutional? >> the president believed it was unconstitutional not so long ago. something changed in his mind i think it was probably the proximity of the elections. >> greta: you are a lawyer. what do you think? >> i think it borders on unconstitutional. not that i don't want to tell you that it's unconstitutional because i probably am going conclude that it is. i think it is a strong statement and before i say that

i should study all of the applications of the law to make sure that is exactly the case. i think it ignores the constitution. i don't think it is constitutionally defensive. i think he had reached that conclusion. and i think i believe that after i'm he fully done analy e analyzing the situation i think all of us will arrive at the conclusion this is unconstitutional. >> do you think in the next two years regardless of who is president that we will finally have some defensative policy, immigration policy in this country. right now some people are upset that the borders aren't being secure. other people are upset because people are getting fos tossed . there is people all over the board on this. >> i hope so but it just made it harder because it poisoned the well and changed the dynamics this of. what is to stop the president now? can he decide not to enforce the immigration law at all. this immigration issue is complicated. it is not an easy issue. on the one hand, there is a real human element. the vast majority of people

here undocumented are here because they are in search of a better life for their families. we can't be the only country in the world that doesn't have immigration laws it enforces. we are the most generous country in the world on illegal immigration. a million people a year immigrate to the united states legally. what other country in the world even comes close. and there are millions waiting to enter the country legally. they waited in line and a paid the fees. what do we tell them, come illegally, it it is cheaper and faster? those two things have to be balanced and that is a hard thing to do and takes time to arrive that the point. the sorts of actions that ignore the constitution and ignore the congress the president makes it harder for us to come together and work on the issue in a responsible way. >> greta: senator, thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> greta: senator rubio has come under scrutiny about his family's jurisdictionfy from cuba to america but says it was a blessing in disguise. he will be back and tell you him some. in two minutes, thisle ligh, tt

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>> greta: who is calling the gop the party of the apes. take a wild guess. if you said tv host bill ma sherr that is not all he said. he summarized the last 20 years of american politics as the rise of the party of the apes. that is a takeoff of the movies of rise of the plane planet ofe aprils. he is blaming the republican party for the government dysfunction and singled out congressman allen west and sl m slammed him for calling many members of congress members of the communist party. writeing that not one republican said allen come on you are making us look dumb. not one of the republican

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are in marco rubio gets personal in just 60 seconds. first let's go to the new york newsroom where ainsley earhardt is standing by with the other headlines. >> more lives and property could be in danger tonight as the wildfires are raging on in northern colorado. the 92 square mile fire near fort colins now about 50% contained. firefighters fearing heavy wind could fan the flames even farther so they are warning residents to be prepared to evacuate. the fire which started because of lightning ten ta days ago already destroyed at least 189 houses. the wife of former penn state assistant former football coach jerry sandusky testifying today and telling the court that she saw no evidence of inappropriate contact with the

boys in their home or while they traveled with them. jerry sandusky is accused of raping and abuseing ten childrn over the course of 15 years. i'm ainsley earhardt. now, back to on the record with greta. thanks for watching. >> greta: now, more with florida senator marco rubio and this time he is getting personal. he just wrote a new auto biography called an american son. we caught up with senator rubio on capitol hill. >> always nice to see you. i love visiting your we are happy to be here. >> greta: and you have a new book out. >> i do. "an american son" an and we are very proud about it. >> greta: it as personal book more about you and your family. what i wanted to do is two things. someone tell our story because i think people could find insight and inspiration and maybe cautionary tales and also i wanted to pay tribute to our country and through my family's story. what i want people to take from american son i is that that the

reason i had the chance to do things that my grandfather and father didn't have a chance to do is because i was pleased to be an american son and no one cared where i came from or if i was wealthy. people wanted to know how good your ideas are and how hard you are willing to work. >> greta: a couple of things i took away from the book. one is there is a picture in the book of you signing papers running for the united states senate with your father at your side and we all have fathers. it is probably a huge occasion for your father. and then yet because of the l w laws of mortality he missed you winning the election. >> he unfortunately got sick that spring just a few weeks before that picture was taken. and so we -- in that event it was the qualifying event where you qualify to get on the ballot. and he lived long enough as i talked about in the book tell the story about he tried to go

to my victory party the night of the primary which wasn't really in dispute. but he really tried that night to go to the victor arery par y party. my dad did. and he did everything he could to be there. i went by his house earlier that day and i found him, you know, my nephew answered the door and he was smiling and laughing. my father who probably hadn't been out of bed in probably a month and a half because he didn't respond well to chemo, my father was standing up and sitting in his wheel chair but ready to go. the story was he wanted to go to the victory party that nig t night. and unfortunately as the night got later it became impossible for him to do that. he wanted to make the one more sacrifice for us and be there. but, you know, i just have a feeling that he was there even though he wasn't there physic l physically, i have a sense that he certainly knows what his hard work and sacrifice allowed me to could i do in my life.

>> greta: you are a young man but even as you write about in your book even in your jurisdictionfy so far there were times you were despondent about how you as a state legislator, worried about money and raising your family and making making $75,000 a year and had a wife and kids. >> there are people making a lot less that have a right to be even more despondent. between the student loans and mortgage and car and all of that it starts to add up really fast. i was afraid. i was at a a point where i figured if i can't get this figured out in the next few weeks i have to leave politics and find a job that pays more money. you had to find a boss or job that was willing to allow you to be gone for extended periods of time. even then since that point i always as a prostrider for my family constantly had that in the back of my mind.

what it helps to do in addition to understand your own obligations helps you realize how many people are struggling and they make a lot less in some cases. >> greta: i guess the media is guilty of this but in some part it is true that the republicans and democrats clawing each other's eyes out up here. sort of scratching them out. you write in your book about a democrat senator leahy pulling aside the young senator you and talking about family. i mean it is not quite as violent between the two parti parties. there are personal moments when you get advice isn't there? >> senators act like normal human beings especially when the cameras are not on them. senator leahy asked me how are things about and i mentioned i'm worried about my family and a not spending enough time with them and his expression chang changed. as i write in the book it changed to that of someone who had something to share. what he shared is the story that i end of book with about when was younger and in the senate and president ford

invited him to something and he had to turn it dune because his kids had something. 30 years later he doesn't remember walt invitation was to but his kids will never forget the day that he chose them over the president. i end about a chance i had to take a trip to africa to learn about our aids program but my kids had a bunch of stouth di g on and they were shocked when i went to school and picked them up. they thought i was halfway there. maybe had i not qui writ writtn the book, i would -- get some >> greta: some of the interest controversial issues in your career, you don't have many, you're lucky. one is the issue about the air rents and when they were born and came to the united states. a new book writ been you as well that talks about how that sort of experience about when your parents came to the united states. it has been a good experience for you personally because you went back and looked at your family. >> i knew the story. i didn't know the dates.

it has been a blessing in disguise. as part of the book and part of that scrutiny i went back and found ought as much as i could. when you go back and can look at your parents. you realize they were once my age and that really comes alive when you review the documents and application to come to the u.s. and things of that nature. i tried to capture some of that in the book. in some ways in many ways the whole thing about when my parents came ended up being a blessing in disguise. what i learned was is even more amazing than what i knew befo e before. >> greta: people get to where they are because they work hard and right place at the right time and a little bit of luck. in your instance i think the governor chris christie hug. >> governor crist. >> hug of president obama. that was fatal to his campaign. >> it was -- it would have meant a lot less if it weren't

the policies before that. governor crist is a very tale t talented politician and really likeable person and people like him. people and he was very succes successful early on new career as governor and very popular when i decided to run against him. the hug came in combination with a moment where a lot of people felt that the republican party was not clearly articulating what it stood for and being a forceful alternative to the president of this party and that someone of the things that motivated me to run. is a tactic that we used. i think we would have won despite the hug. >> greta: but you were a long shot in the beginning. >> absolutely. >> greta: governor crist had it knocked up most people thought. >> his job approval ratings were very high and the survivors you port that comes from being an incumbent, the money and all of that. as i talk about in the book honestly, there were times i didn't think i could win and in fact was trying to figure out a face saving way to get out of the race. i'm glad that i didn't.

not a sentiment that i'm he proud of but i'm glad to get out of that because it forced me to ask why are you in this. if you are running to be somebody there is a lot easier things you can be. get into an easier race like attorney general for something. some people suggested i do that and i was tempted. ultimately i ran because i wanted to do something and i'm glad that i went through the race that i went through. it was difficult. it was uphill. i had doubts because i think it made me hopefully a better or. >> greta: how close are you to governor you jeb bush? >> close. he is a good role model and someone whose advice has been important to my career and someone who i think has issues first foe he cuss on political >> greta: coming up, republican lawmakers have a message for the gsa. sell it. now. they are demanding the federal government sell government ow owned buildings left vacant for years. sounds like common sense, rig t right? what is the holdup. congressman john mica and jeff

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>> greta: the gsa coming under fire again but this time it is not for lavish conventions with clowns and mind readers or even bath tubs. now?

>> vacant buildings. gop lawmakers blasting the gsa for mismanaging up a nuceed government buildings. the government should be cas cashing in on prime real estate instead of wasting your taxpayer money. griff jenkins spoke with the congressmen about today's hearing. >> we are standing on the roof top of a multimillion dollars building owned by the gsa that sits on two acres of the most pristine property in washington in the georgetown neighborhood. you can see the view behind me. the white house designated it as excess property last october because it has been sitting empty for over ten years, costing taxpayers $3.5 million in operating costs and that was a subject of a hearing held here by congressmans john mica and jeff den ham to get answe s answers. among them, why the for sale sign went up just yesterday. >> you can't get your job done. you have 124 properties out of 14,000 properties. is one property i don't care if it is republican or democrat or this or previous administration

the job is not getting done. i, first of all, don't see how you can defend your record but secondly why the president is now more passionate about com coming up with a solution. >> what was the purpose of the hearing? >> there is too many of these properties sitting not only in the nation's capital but across the nation sitting vacant and underutilized but aren't on the underutilized list. we want to get the properties on the list and we need to sell them off. here is two and a half acre. you can see the great views and where downtown georgetown. this is high value property s t sitting well over a decade. it is time for the administration to move. >> congressman mica, what were your thoughts on the hearing? i know you brought -- you were prepared in your remarks and said there is upwards of 14,000 properties like this. >> we have done hearings just in washington. this is our third property that is vacant and underutilized. again, prime real estate. georgetown. highest value probably on the

east coast sitting here for more than deck dad decade. outrageous when you a soaring national debt and the federal governmenting sitting on this incredibly valueable asset. our goal is to get this off the taxpayer role and put it on the profit side of the margin ledger and get a return for the taxpayers. >> how confident are you guys that something is going be done that the next time on the record speaks with you guys that we will have tangible assets realized for taxpayer dollars? this building costing $3.5 million in its ten years it sat empty. >> i'm confident that you have republicans and democrats working together on the committee. we are committed to selling off the properties. we need to make sure that the administration is just as committed to getting the bill out of the senate and signed into law. but also the president can do these wildings by executive order as well. >> lastly, you are very

familiar with this stuff. what do you think a property like this could go for if they properly put it up for sale as they said and would get it sold say by the fall? >> this property is worth hundreds of millions. very valuable property in the heart of georgetown. this is repeated unfortunately across the united states. so we are talking about billi n billions of dollars worth of losses. you saw some of the buildings. again, not much happens. is not much map happens until e actually hold a hearing. we h held a hearing in a cold vacant building two blocks from the white house stray can't for are 15 years. this is ten years. the examples go on and on across the united states. it's waste. >> greta: thanks for being with us tonight. see you all again tomorrow night. go to gretawire .com. an open thread. go and tell us what you thought about tonight's show. captioned by closed captioning services, inc. be cool if we took the nissan altima

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thanks for joining us. >> greta: tonight he's on the lift. rumors swirling that marco rubio was out of the vp running but governor romney says marco rubio is being, quote, thoroughly veted. in less than 12 hours the house committee meets to vote whether or not to hold eric holder in contempt. is there a chance he will make an after hours delivery of documents to congressman issa? a few hours ago house oversight chair and attorney general holder taking a stab at a resolution, how did that meeting go? we asked chairman issa. chairman, nice to see you, sir. >> thank you for having me on. >> did you get the kumt tonight from the attorney general of the united states you subpoenaed? >> sadly, no. we not only didn't get documents but the only offer was an offer if ki