>> all reading from the same talking points as you can see. joining me with reaction is the author of "screwed" former clinton advisor dick morris. welcome, particular. you can see they all have a sheet in front of them saying it's a penalty, not a tax, but the supreme court said explicitly it's a tax. of course the president pledged not to raise taxes on the middle class. can he get away with this? >> my favorite is the one person who said it was a tax on the 1%. >> it's not rich people paying this tax, is it? >> no. many more will be paying it. just to understand the level of payment to the penalty, you essentially need to spend, depending on your income, somewhere between 5% and 8% of your income, your gross income, before you get any federal assistance in buying health insurance. so if you make $30,000 a year, you've got to pay about $2,000 before you get a penny of assistance in paying for healthcare.

>> right. >> those people will all get the penalty or the tax. i think that all this misses the point. obama said in his campaign that he was not going to raise taxes on anyone making less than $200,000 a year. the "wall street journal" reports that 75% of the cost of obamacare will be born by people making less than $120,000. so this has gone from an issue of fairness to an issue of character, which is what obama's entire campaign was predicated either on a lie or semantic difference. frankly he's looking like my old boss who said it all depends on what the definition of "is" is. >> obamacare is a massive transfer of wealth from the young, poor and healthy to the old, rich and sick. that's how this wealth is being distributed. i'm interested in the decision itself. >> no. i think it's the other way.

i think it's a transfer of wealth from the young and health from the old to people in between. in other words, young people, children, are already covered under the c.h.i.p., childhood insurance program. they're not affected by the obamacare act. >> i mean young, healthy adults. >> young adults don't have to pay for the nose for this, but the old people will have to pay with their healthcare, because they will not be able to get a knee replacement, for example. the keyword in looking at obamacare is qual, q-u-a-l. if you're 85, you want a hip replacement. they'll say, no, you only have three quality years left. our guidelines won't approve more than $20,000. an illegal immigrant, who's 30

years old, who has maybe fourth quality years left, he can get that. i'm sorry, being in a wheelchair means you're going to die two years sooner, too bad. >> the only reason we're having this conversation because the supreme court has declared that obamacare is indeed constitutional. that decision was made possible by the chief justice john roberts appointed by george w. bush, and believed up until recently to be a conservative. there's a fascinating piece by cbs news sort of unwinding how this came to be in it. in it, i'm quoting now, roberts pays attention to media coverage. he's sensitive to how the court is perceived by the public. do you think it's possible that after reading weeks of "new york times" editorials attacking him preemptively for ruling against obamacare, chief justice roberts decided to rule it constitutional? >> i think that's possible, tucker. i don't know the guy. it certainly is possible. but, you know, i look at that decision, and as much as i hate it with every fiber of my being,

because it's an immoral, horrible, euthanasia law. i believe fundamentally when he said i'm affirming the individual mandate, he gave us each of us an individual mandate to defeat barack obama, retake the senate, and repeal this law. he basically said, i'm not going to do your job for you. go out in the streets, win this election, do it like we do it in a democracy, and then you repeal the law. frankly we have to take up that challenge and run with it. >> that's certainly one to look at it. what was the last time a liberal supreme court justice turned conservative? has that ever happened? yet we can see time and time again -- >> oh, lots of times. suter, john paul stevens, blackmon. >> my point is you see a lot of republicans turn liberals. never see it the other direction. >> no, i've never seen that.

well, frankfurter. >> that's going back quite a ways. how can the next republican president ensure that his nominee doesn't wind up david souter or john roberts? >> you can't. conservatives favor free enterprise, free market, that stuff, but they also believe in judicial restraint. they also believe that nobody elected them, that the people got elected are entitled to some deference. liberals don't accord them that, but conservatives do. >> smart point. fast and furious, the other news story of this last week was the fact that the attorney general of the united states, eric holder, was held in contempt twice on bipartisan votes in congress. it gets down to the question of transparency. what happened with fast and furious, to what extent was president obama aware of that? listen to a sound bite from the speaker of the house john boehner on this question. here he is. >> do you expect that the justice department will bring

suit against their own attorney general? when will you file a lawsuit in federal court? >> well, wear going to go down paths. it's not clear to me that the attorney -- the u.s. district attorney will in fact -- unless he reaccuses himself -- will proceed down that path. that's why we're going to file in district court a civil suit over the issue of executive privilege. >> when will that be? >> i would expect that to come in the next several weeks. >> this seems straightforward to me. a u.s. federal agent brian terry was killed with one of these weapons. seems like this is a fight republicans could win in the court of public opinion if they explained it clearly. do you think they will win it? >> i think they can win it. frankly i'm a lot more interested in the leaks issue. the national security leaks that were published in the "new york times." >> right. >> because those were clearly leaked by a high-level member of

the obama administration. very possibly after the president himself may have declassified some of that information so it was not a crime to leak it, and it killed americans, intelligence agents, cost us lives, did all kinds of bad stuff. i think that really merits a congressional hearing on this. >> i agree with that completely. finally, you're not hearing a lot about climate change in the press. it's definitely out of the headlines. i think most people think it's it's sort of a settled issue, because we're in the middle of a recession. that's apparently not the case. hillary clinton in rio recently, gave away $2 billion for climate change. what's that about? >> the obama administration is filled with these issues that we think have been put to bed, like gun control and climate change, that are being risen up to the surface in the form of international treaties. that's one of the things m thiny book "screwed." one reader its head last week

when hillary went to this rio conference on climate change and announced the united states was giving away $2 billion to third world countries as a downpayment on $100 billion fund to help them handle climate change. what's important about that $2 billion, it's not just the amount, but that we don't decide where it goes. we give it to the u.n. and it decides where it goes. and that would happen with this whole $100 billion fund. >> appalling. >> they're after taxing america, and then they decide where the money goes. the other thing i also talk about in "screwed," is on july 27th, the arms trafficking treaty is going to be signed in new york city. >> yes. >> that treaty basically imposes international gun controls. why hasn't obama moved for gun control lately in his four-year term? >> right. >> he's doing it by treaty. >> because he doesn't need to. it's a stealth way to do it, and nobody's watching it. dick morris.

>> read about it. it's important, because we'll have to fight against radfication of this treaty this year. >> exactly right. a sneaky way to effect the change he wants. dick morris, thanks. >> thanks a lot, tucker. >> coming up, the romney campaign may want to take notes, because my next guest says team obama is taking the kitchen sink approach when it comes to attacking the republican nominee. we'll explain. we'll explain. plus, they're being called the male spirit present.trong it's the priceline negotiator. >>what? >>sorry. he wants you to know about priceline's new express deals.

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>> tucker: welcome back to "hannity." there's still more than 120 days until voters head to the polls. my next guest is highlighting the pivotal moments in the election so far and examining what we can expect as we move closer to november. elections past have proved anything can happen. joining me with a good sense of what might, author of a new e-book entitled "election 2012: a time for choosing." tom bivin, welcome back to the show. >> tucker, good to be with you. >> tucker: you say the obama campaign is mounting a kitchen sink strategy against romney. what does that entail? >> the team obama always knew or thought, even from a year ago, that romney was going to be the earlier this spring, as it became more and more clear that romney was going to be the republican nominee they had this discussion about how they want to go about framing the election

against romney. the initial frame was he was going to be a flip-flopper, pick on what some of his republican competitors had used against him, that he just doesn't have a core, but there was another argument pro proffered, that mit romney does have a core, but it's rotten, a corporate pioneer, outsourcing pioneer, a rich wall street guy who wants to shaft the middle class, take care of his rich buddies on wall street. the obama team -- obama's pollster actually did focus groups on those and found out that the flip-flop argument didn't move voters nearly as much as the rotten core argument. you've seen the obama campaign really sort of employ this with greater effect over the last few months. they spent a lot of money, millions and millions of dollars, even in the last few months, making this case against romney. >> tucker: the core argument, as i understand it, is not that

he's made bad choices, but he's a bad person, fundamentally not your kind of guy? >> that's right. and the one thing that obama has in his favor, that romney is battling, is a likability gap. especially independents, they may not like the economy, obama's policies, but think he's a nice guy, decent husband, decent father, all of that. romney has lower favorable ratings right now, negative with independents in some of the key swing states. the obama campaign has been dumping a lot of money in these negative ads to make sure that impression sticks, that romney remains less favorable than rom. >> tucker: that's unbelievable. having won one election because he seemed more appealing and exciting, he's trying to tear down the other guy on those same terms. having watched romney carefully during the primaries -- and your book i should say is excellent, about a lot of the drama that unfolded during that time -- what do you think the criteria are that he's using for picking a vp? what's had he looking for? >> well, it's a great question.

we're reading the tea leaves here. there are a variety of criteria that beth myers, romney's close aide is looking at. you know, there's geographic and demographic. mostly romney wants to do no harm. they want this frame to remain about barack obama and a referendum on him and his stewardship of the economy. as they're looking at these various candidates, they don't want anything to distract from that message. in fact, they want to reinforce that message if possible. that's why you see folks like rob portman come to the forefront. he sort of reinforces the message of fiscal discipline, competence, all of that. he's been vetted at the highest levels of government. there shouldn't be surprises with him. tim pawlenty's name has been in the mix as of recently. that's who mostly romney is looking at. i will say this, tucker, we have a case study. when romney was governor of massachusetts, everybody thought he was going to pick someone, a sort of rich businessman type to be his running mate. he ended up going with carrie

healy, a woman from a middle class background. >> and carey heally is still close to governor romney today. picking a guy who ran the bus bh onb might not be the best. >> i think he's definitely at the top, portman. he's a wealthy guy. pawlenty comes from a middle class background, something that the romney folks value highly. bobby jindal has a great story. marco rubio has that kind of story. chris christie is still in the mix. >> tucker: whatever happened to rick santorum? you describe the drama during the primaries. he vaulted to the front for quite some time, then sort of disappeared. will he have a speaking role at the convention, play a role in

romney's campaign moving into the fall? what's he doing? >> that's a great question. he just recently earlier in june announced this patriotvoices.org, a sort of pac-10 thapact that he's headin. again, he'll have a role at the convention i think. it's not ironed out what it will be yet. we'll have to wait and see, how santorum will stay relevant. this resurrected his career and reputation. he became a standard-bearer for conservatives, for evangelicals, even the folks in the tea party movement during the primary. the question is,ke stay relevant long enough to capitalize on that? there was talk he would be leading the pact for 2016, but there's a lot of republican candidates out there if mitt romney loses who think they'll be in the mix as well. >> tucker: very quickly in the book, you describe a conversation between newt gingrich and john king of cnn who he famously berated after the debate. what did he say to john king

after the debate? >> we interviewed bret baier and juan williams of fox news and john king of cnn to find out what it was like. john king told us, you know, after gingrich lambasted him in the opening debate, he walked up to him during the first commercial break and said, hey, john, it's a great debate. king said, mr. speaker, just called me despicable on national television. he said, no, john, it's great. he took calista over to introduce him to john king. there was obviously gamesmanship involved in that. >> tucker: great book, great site, too. real clear blocks, read it every day. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: coming up, a powerful alliance that might make a huge difference in the upcoming selection. sean sits down with the author of book "tvangelcals." of book "tvangelcals." next it's time for the great [ man ] ever year, sophia and i

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>> tucker: welcome back. time for the great american panel. she's an attorney and fox news chiropractor, pamela holder is here, a radio talk show host. mary walters joins us, and he's a republican congressman from charleston, south carolina. he's here. welcome all of you. sort of an amazing exchange the other day between the white house chief of staff jack lou and cnn. she asked a basic question, what's in the documents at the core of the debate over fast and furious. they've said to the white house, tell us know what you know about the scandal, and he was held in contempt. this was the answer the white house chief of staff gave.

>> were there things in the document that involved consultation with the president? is that why you invoked -- >> there was insight in all the decisions made up to the point of the correction, you know, that congress was given about the policy itself, about the testimony. what they're looking for now are internal kinds of documents that they know are not appropriate. >> tucker: that they know are not appropriate. ms. holder, i ask you, this is not a phony scandal. not a made-up washington scandal, this is an actual scandal at the center of which are dead people. what kind of documents wouldn't be appropriate for an oversight committee to see? >> okay. well, first of all, i'm not bob beckel. i'm filling in for him, and just got the last-minute memo -- >> no one will hold your non-bob beckel-ness against you. >> i'm not him.

>> there's been some confusion. i'm glad you cleared that up. >> and second thing, don imus sent me out to look for a date, and i'm now here for you. >> tucker: chu won'which you wod here. the question, why can't the american people know about fast and furious which resulted in the death of an agent? >> issa wants to know internal communications after the fact, after this was already put to end. that's what he wants. he doesn't care about -- or he's already been provided the information about this -- >> tucker: how do we know that? >> well, because he has -- >> tucker: because the white house that won't release these documents, invoking executive privilege, in order to keep them cloaked from view -- >> bush invoked the executive privilege six times.

>> tucker: so bush did this? >> no, no. i'm just saying that we should respect the executive privilege. >> tucker: i think mary makes a good point. the president says, hey, i don't feel telling you what i've done wrong, we should just be satisfied that? don't you agree? >> what's worked well for this white house, den deny, deflect, blame somebody else. bush did it? we're talking about totally different cases. the executive privilege i don't buy here. what's so frustrating about me is that people don't know about this because, again, deny and defect has worked so well for this administration. >> how so? do they really think they can just say, oh, no, you don't need to know anything more about it, let's move on. >> he did not say that. >> he just said, i'm not going to it. >> he provided 7900 documents. >> give us your take. >> here's what the american

people need to know. most importantly here's what kent and josephine terry need to know. >> the parents of brian terry, the federal officer. >> the justice department provided false information to members of congress. >> tucker: yes. >> and without any clarification -- >> is that just your opinion or that's been established? >> established. over that time period, 10 months, there was over 100,000 pages of information that was transacted. >> tucker: right. >> only 7,000 has been provided to chairman isa. we're asking for the rest of the information to bring peace of mind to a family mourning the loss of their son, and at the exact same time protect the process that really strengthens who we are as a people, the rule of law. this president has consistently found himself on the wrong side of the concept of rule of law and it's another opportunity -- >> no. you've used brian terry for political tactics, because --

>> tucker: stop on. hold on. this is absolutely deplorable. >> what's deplorable is a president that won't respond to the family -- >> tucker: one person at a time. >> it happens to be the agent who died because -- because -- [overtalk] >> -- the weapons that were provided by the federal government -- >> you're not doing anything to stop the war on the border. that's what the problem is. >> the drug cartels -- simply the drug cartels -- >> tucker: hey. hold it. i mean it. stop it right now. >> this is ridiculous. >> you're not my father. >> tucker: let him finish the sentence. >> where are the guns? >> can i move? >> that's okay. she's really good at deflecting. >> no. where are the guns? >> there's dead mexicans too.

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>> tucker: welcome back. things got completely out of control in the last segment. some of you wondering how did we get them under control? did we use corporal punishment?

yes, we did. details to follow. for now, we'll ask a simple question and receive crisp, civil answers. it's this. last week, thursday i believe, you were involved in this, congressman, the attorney general of the united states, the second most powerful person in this country, the first cabinet officer in american history to be held in contempt, two bipartisan votes. big deal, right? >> absolutely. >> tucker: of course it was. how did it play? did it make front page "usa today," "new york times"? no, it didn't. "usa today," it was on page five. in the "new york times," a-3. "l.a. times," a-8. new yor"new york times" digitaln didn't even have it in the day's round-up. why is that? >> very simple. it's a liberal media bias that insulates this president on things that go wrong with this government. he's possible, he deflects it.

>> tucker: whether you agreed with it or not, it's always fair to disagree, you can't deny it's a huge story, no? >> exactly. you know this, tucker, when you have media matters having weekly strategy calls with the administration, a meeting with valerie jarrett and anita dunn, doesn't make you question a little bit? it's not a surprise, is it? it's not a surprise. we know they're very tight with the media. we know the media is going to protect them and feed certain stories on the front page. i find it very hard to believe that if george bush, happening with gonzalez, everybody knows about alberto gonzales. >> tucker: that's true. clinton was a liberal democrat, beloved by the media, yet when he got in trouble, they were on him. they were, in all fairness, the liberal media took off. >> that's their agenda. >> tucker: i have to say, this president seems immune from the scrutiny of the president. doesn't he, ms. holder?

>> am i allowed to speak now? >> tucker: yes, you are. >> oh, o. you're talking about deflection of the president when the president has never ever been proven to have any relationship with fast and furious whatsoever. there's a separation between this issue that your mall cop wants to have with eric holder and the president. just to mix the two, you want to mislead the american public, and the conservatives want to mislead the american public that the job of the attorney general is the same job as the american president, they're two totally separate jobs and two totally separate privileges of confidentiality. going back to my earlier argument about who these people are, i'm sad that brian terry was killed. i'm sad that every person on any border in afghanistan, iraq, or on the mexican border was killed by people who are trying to infiltrate and kill americans, but i would like to know about all of the people who are killed, not just brian terry. that's the problem that i have.

you're using his name as a message to get some political agenda across to the american people. >> tucker: wait a second. why is it illegitimate to point out the facts of the case, which are the u.s. government under barack obama gave guns to mexican cartels -- >> so did bush. >> tucker: hold on. is that really the point? the point is the sitting president oversaw this. why shouldn't we know more about it? why shouldn't we know more about what happened so it doesn't happen again? >> the same thing with abu ghraib. there were photos that the administration believed would affect the americans overseas, affect our soldiers. we don't want to put our soldiers, our americans, our people on the border at harm's way with the cartel, whomever is on the border. there are certain things that are secret to our government that are in the best interest of the american people. >> tucker: congressman, do you believe that this administration is keeping these documents, thousands of pages of documents,

secret for our own good and for national security reasons? >> absolutely not. there's no doubt -- >> tucker: do you think that is an insane suggestion? >> it borders on insanity. if you think about the facts that the federal government provided guns to drug cartels in mexico, killed mexicans, killed a border patrol agent, he asserts an executive privilege, basically protecting eric holder, and says i have no knowledge what's going on, basically is what we hear out in the public forum. the challenge is, why would you assert executive privilege for something you have no knowledge about? i don't understand. >> tucker: that's like the sound of one hand clapping. that may be the unanswerable question. >> doesn't make sense. >> tucker: mary, i want to get to the supreme court digs decis. also the big news from last week. what you saw in the aftermath was an immediate drop in public confidence in the supreme court. >> sure. >> tucker: warranted?

>> well, to be fair, i think if they had ruled the other with a you would see a drop in confidence by the supreme court, but by a different group of people. no matter which way they ruled on that, there was one group or the other was going to be severely disappointed with the supreme court, because it wasn't going to go somebody's way. so somebody wasn't going to be happy. what i would like to say is i do think that the right handled it well. they didn't denigrate the supreme court and say it's an activist court. they didn't launch a media offensive to discredit the court. had the decision gone the other way, we would have seen the media blitz discrediting the supreme court. >> tucker: did you read the cbs piece that said chief justice roberts pays close attention to news coverage, and the implication was he might have been influenced by the attacks on the court by the left and those might have influenced his decision? >> i think that i wouldn't want to believe that as an attorney, how juries are sequestered,

because they're not supposed to pay attention to media, their families, opinions of people outside of the courtroom, so i want to believe that the top people in our court, in our judicial system, aren't -- >> tucker: isn't that the whole point of attacking john roberts in the first place so he would change his mind? >> but i don't want to believe -- >> tucker: the president's staff attacked john roberts, and it worked apparently. >> i don't want to believe everything. i don't want to believe everything in the liberal ready, the conservative media, whatever. this is a tragic time for america. we learned american manufacturing jobs are being outsourced overseas, terrible opinions, and it's tragic. americans need to come to the middle and figure out a way to make ourselves the best in the world. >> tucker: a bipartisan sentiment. thank you all very much. we're out of time. coming up, two of our nation's most powerful political groups

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>> tucker: tea party movement erupted on to the national scene in 2009, pushing for fiscal responsibility. social issues were not on the mind of most tea partiers, but according to author "david brody" in his new book "the

tvangelcals" the tea party has found a new partnership with the evangelical movement. sean sat down to discuss the collaboration with the author. >> what's going on? >> not much. a book, something about a book. >> i know, teavangelcals. people that support limited government, getting a balanced budget, and evangelicals. you said you didn't want to write this book. why? >> until i saw something developing in 2010, and how could you not write the story? i saw all these evangelicals showing off and on the the tea party rallies, there were prayers and everything going on, and i said, i got to do something about this, because everybody was making this about a lunch of libertarians.

i decided to come up with the name, teavangelcals. >> how does this impact the race? >> mitt romney needs the teavangelcals to show up. there's tea party activists who are evangelicals. they've got the cellphone numbers and emails of 15,000 evangelicals. in 2008, they didn't have that. if they get 3 million more evangelicals to the polls, the atteavangelcals will get to the polls. >> everybody sees the bad results of 3 1/2, 4 years of obama. wouldn't they want to support romney? i mean, is there something he needs to specifically do to reach out to them? >> first of all, a good vp pick

is a good start obviously. >> right. what's a good vp pick? who? >> there are folks within the evangelical community who think bobby jindal might be a good pick. there are folks who believe within the evangelical community that rob portman isn't such a bad pick. people think bland, vanilla, but within the evangelical community there's a split on that. >> sean: what about marco? >> marco rubio, a pretty good pick for sure. ultimately it comes down to the stump speech. how bad is mitt romney to a degree court this teavangelcal audience? if he can do that, he'll get more teavangelcals to the polls. >> sean: when you look at issues involved, the contraceptive

mandate, including morning-after pill, all of these social issues, and the president's position on defense of marriage act, the president's position recently on immigration, you add the debt to that, the bad economy to that. for any conservative, any tea party member, i just don't see who else they could possibly vote for in this election. >> yeah. it not so much who they're going to vote for. for example, a lot of folks have voted for a santorum or gingrich. if they're not a big romney fan they'll still go to the polls and vote for romney, but will they bring a friend and organize? the teavangelcals are the worker bees. >> sean: like the christian coalition? >> very much so, but it's morphed into a different venue. i mention this in the book. you mention the contraceptive debate. when it comes to the teavangelcals, you know, cutting planned parenthood funding, all of this. the fact this that he can weave

fiscal and social issues together -- >> sean: it seems that issues one, two and three are the economy. four, five, six, have to do with national security. does that bother you as a strong evangelical that's br pro-life d pro defense of marriage bother you? >> not at all. if you look at some of these congressional scorecards put out by the family research council, concerned women for america, down the list, it's not just about the life and the marriage issue, it's about a balanced budget amendment, about reducing taxes. go down the list, it's not a problem at all. >> sean: when romney ran for governor, he said he was pro-choice, which he did say, then he says, but i didn't -- every time legislation came to his desk, he was right, he did go along with the pro-life position. so i think that showed his sincerity in his change of position. do you agree with that? >> absolutely i agree with that. i say this in the book you that will see in 2006 he had a -- i don't know if you want to call a

secret meeting, if you will, with evangelical leaders as far as back in 2006 with the late jerry falwell, franklin graham, the whole list, all in ann and mitt romney's room in new hampshire, eating sandwiches a. a month later they got something in the mail from mitt romney. they got a chair. on the back, it said you will always have a seat at my table. sent that to all the evangelical leaders. >> sean: that was a great move. >> it was. >> i'm sure he meant it. it was something that was symbolic. >> absolutely. >> sean: i never got a chair. did you ever get a chair? >> i'm waiting for a plaque. >> sean: i'll take a cup of tea. great to see you again. good luck with the book. with the fourth of july days away, we honor america with the help of country music legend lee greenwood. he sits down with sean next. [ manager 1 ] out here in the winds,

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>> tucker: with fourth of july fast approaching the streets will be filled with american flags and the airwaves filled with lee greenwood's song "god bless the usa." the singer has a new book called "does god still bless the usa? a plea for better america." sean sat down with him to talk about the book. >> sean: does god still bless the usa? i hope so. >> as a christian, of course i believe he does. this nation sometimes we kind of got this push and pull, but i think it's time for the question. it's time we stand up and make a stand. >> sean: it's funny. you've been gracious over the years, we've been become very good friends. i think the world of you. you've done the freedom concerts with us. you've been on the road. i would never miss your set.

>> ♪ and i'm proud to be an american ♪ >> i could watch it every night for years, when you sing, not just "god bless the usa," but a lot of your other hits, too. i watch the audience, and every time without fail -- in some cases 12,000 to 15,000 people -- rise to their feet. you ask them to take out their cellphone, and every time i get chills. >> we do that, because lighters are not allowed in the building. i tell them, you got your cellphones, make a call, lock up the network, and we did. >> sean: this song, there's something about it that touches the heart and soul of this country. >> next year, 30 years since i wrote it. 2013, 30 years. >> sean: i'll confess to you, the this is why the book is

phenomenal, i worry about whether america's better days are behind it. i really worry if we've lost an understanding of our constitution, our founding principles, an understanding of what makes us strong. sometimes i get concerned. >> i have the same fear, sean. i have a 17-year-old and 13-year-old. my 17-year-old often asks me -- this was some months back before he turned 17, so he was 16 at the time, not that's a lot of maturity, but he's a mature young man. he said, dad, is the american experiment coming to an end? he cited the roman empire, the british empire. >> sean: for a 16-year-old, that's a powerful question. >> of course in my book, my co-author, rita tate, interviewed my wife and two sons. they have their own dialog inside the book. it made me proud the things they said. you talk about the traditions of america. one of the chapters of our book is called "the battle for america's soul." historians probably know this. john adams, the general principles on which our fathers

achieved independence were the general principles of christianity. also from patrick henry, it cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists, but by christians, not on religions, but on the gospel of jesus christ. further, thomas jefferson, god who gave us life gave us liberty. i cite facts -- >> sean: you probably couldn't say that in public schools today. >> well, no. the one in massachusetts that tried to change my song from "god bless the usa." i do have a copyright. i did say that on my tweet, on my website, that i was a little disappointed as an educational institution they felt they had the right to do that. >> sean: it shows how political correctness permeates every aspect of human life almost. >> it's way too far.

i don't understand. i start the book, sean, with i'm not over 9/11, and for us, we remember this, just like my father remembered passerb pearlr when he signed up for the navy. my kids were 6 and 3, but now it's sort of a matter of history. >> sean: you know, there's few songs that can change the landscape and have such an impact as this song. you'll still do 100 dates this year, as you always do. >> uh-huh. >> sean: you're out on the road, in the bus often, you told me you sleep better in the bus, which cracks me up. >> i do. >> sean: every night when you get to that point in the program, you sing that song. >> i do. >> sean: i love looking out at the crowd. i would look at you, obviously, not that i didn't want to look at you, but i'd look at the crowd reaction. i'd see people crying, tears coming down their cheeks. people holding pictures of military members, people waving

the flag, people holding their phones up. >> it brings patriotism to bear. one of the reasons i decided to write the book was actually wake up our patriots, wake up the people who believe in america so strongly. >> sean: lee greenwood, god bless you. you're a great american. >> thank you. anybody that wants to answer the question, does god still bless the usa? go to my website, egreenwood.com, and give me the answer, and say yes. >> tucker: that's all the time we have left this evening. thank a lot for being with us. have a great fourth this week. we toss it to greta van sustern standing by live. greta? >> greta: tonight rush limbaugh makes a shocking admission. >> today i'm scared. i'm a combination of angry and scared. >> greta: why in the world is rush limbaugh scared? he will tell you yourself.

plus, an urge warning, do not implement president obama's healthcare law. louisiana governor bobby jindal is here. and new york city the next clip is not a scene from "jersey shore." >> can i stay on topic? are you stupid? >> greta: who did new jersey governor chris christie stupid and what set the governor off? that's minutes away. but first, just in time for july 4th, new fireworks. the supreme court ruling sparking a new debate over obamacare. is the individual mandate a penalty or a tax? >> the american people do not want to go down this path. they do not want the government telling them what kind of insurance policy they have to buy and how much they'll pay for it. if you don't like it, we'll tax you. >> it's a penalty that comes under the tax code for the 1% perhaps of the population who may decide they'll be free riders. >> the president on your show said this is not a