to have all this good policy. if i have one weakness it's being too good at policy. it's selfflattery through selfcriticism. that part is not that serious, because he's said that before. what is serious in there for the president is the storyline, that i needed to tell a story to the american people so that they'd understand what i was doing for them. that's not a great line, because it does sound like he's a storyteller but is also a little condescending. it sends a message to voters that says, the things i did were good you continue understand how good they were for you. megyn: kathleen sebelius said this. nancy pelosi made same remarks th before. people get upset, if they could understand it they'd love it.

people say, i understand it perfectly, i just don't like it. why can't you understand that. >> part of it is selfflattery, all politicians engage in ther in this. if you think all the way back to 2008 and what president obama was over heard saying about the voters in pennsylvania who weren't coming to his side, these more conservative democrats, hillary clinton democrats who often vote republican in the general election, he talked about that they had become bitter because they had been victimized and they clung to their guns and religion and that kind of stuff. the president was trying to be nice to those people but it infuriated those people and is part of the reason pennsylvania is in play today for mitt romney. it sounds condescending if you say, if you knew more, if you understand what i was doing for you you'd like it more. people don't like that. megyn: let's talk about the other part of his statement. we are talking about the part where he said look i needed to give the story that tells where i was going as opposed to understanding that many people

understood where he was going but had policy differences. he talked about in that clip how he thought he should be giving us a sense of unity and purpose and optimism. he has taken a lot of incoming for being too pessimistic about america in general. his comments about how we've got even lazy and government even soft, and where is our ingenuity about the hoover dam and so on. he's taken incoming for being too negative and pessimistic. is this a fair selfcritique? should he have been more optimistic and unifying on that front? >> maybe he should have, but we can say that whatever he's doing, he hasn't apparently got even religion on this yet, because on the very day that that interview aired his campaign was attacking mitt romney in the harshest terms yet. a president who as we talked about the dissolutionment of iowa voters. the reason so many voters are disallusioned with him is

because he promised a healing, a unifying, promised to bring things together and we are seeing him run what is pretty clearly now going to be the most negative, personal, character-eye tack oriented presidential campaign for an incumbent ever. this is really intense stuff. when you say that mitt romney is a liar or a felon that is pretty tough. megyn: a sense of unity. and it sort of goes back to what he ran on in 2008 -- well it was from his 2004 convention speech. he also ran on it in 08 talking about how we are not the red states, the blue states we are the united states of tpherbg. can he now after he has america. can he now after a record full of contention the past three years, if whether you want to blame the president or republicans in the house since 10 he had democratically controlled congress for the first two years, in any event can he recapture that despite three and a half years of being president that people are going

to judge him by. >> the hope is he can dump all this napon on mitt romney now, and make him seem unfit for the presidency and really burn him down. after the convention in charlotte he'll pivot back to a hope and change light to take the motives from 2008 and try to remind voters especially women in the suburbs of the good feelings that they had about him and that positive message hoping that the damage that he has done to mitt romney now, with these character attacks will payoff in the end and that there will be enough distance from that that people will forget about the savage rebeing visited upon mitt romney right now. megyn: thank you sir. the rhetoric on the campaign trail is getting nasty. governor romney now demanding that president obama apologize after a top member of his campaign team suggested that governor romney might be a fel

felon. this after one article claimed that governor romney made contradictory claims about when his leadership of bai bain capital ended. coming up where is this going? has the president as the romney camp suggests lost control of his messages, or is the president right, that governor romney is not being straight with the american people? our panel high school a fair & balanced debate. new reaction today to a series of intelligence leaks raising concern in washington. lamar smith telling president obama he wants to interview seven current and former administration officials. he says that they may know who leaked critical information that could have jeopardized our national security. catherine herridge is live in washington with more. >> reporter: thank you megyn. two white house officials say the white house will respond to republican congressman lamar smith's letter via white house counsel, they will not be responding via the media.

he wants to interview the president's inner circle. the lis includes seven current and former administration officials, tom done lan his deputy dennis mcd u.n. na. james clapper, john brenner. former white house chief of staff bill daley and others. in a letter to the president congressman smith rights these individuals should be prepared to discuss to the full extent of their knowledge how, why and by whom each of the following classified matters was leaked or otherwise become public information accessible to america's even knee. the house minority weighed in saying she would defer to the administration's own investigation by the justice department buy is being led by two u.s. attorneys. >> congressional oversight is a major part of it, and the committees can always bring in any agency of government in its jurisdiction to ask those questions. but you have to ask very specific one do i think there needs to be a judiciary

committee investigation, i said let's see how the other investigation goes first. >> reporter: a number of republicans in the house and senate argued that the u.s. attorneys cannot be truly independent because they are too close to their boss attorney general holder. megyn: chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge thank you. coming up new warnings on america's budget deficit. a report finds spending growing by leaps and bounds, the numbers and a report straight ahead. plus, syria going from bad to worse, a new massacre which could be the worst yet, and that is saying something in that region of the world. and new concerns over the regime's arsenal of chemical weapons, putting america and its allies on edge. and the gloves come off an obama campaign aide said governor romney may be misleading the american people and possibly a felon. now there is a demand for an apology and incoming critiques.

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megyn: fox news alert. brand-new reaction from the white house now over a new massacre in syria saying the latest slaughter of civilians removes any doubt that the united nations must organize an international response to what is happening there. activists claim the atrocity is one of the worst single days of bloodshed in the uprising. government forces reportedly pounding a farming village with artillery killing over 200 people. on top of this getting word of a dangerous and significant development there. fox news now confirming that syrian forces are moving mass stockpiles of chemical weapons out of storage.

this according to a u.s. defense source, saying the first signs came a week ago of the transfer, raising new fears today that this regime may be preparing to use these chemical weapons on their own people. what, if anything are we to do about this? now among the weapons of mass destruction that are in that arsenal we're told, nerve gas that kills immediately. primitive mustard gas which blisters the body. we'll have much more on this new threat when we speak to our strategic analyst ralph pete tphers juspeters in just a bit right here. an eye-opening new report on the ballooning u.s. deficit, raising serious concerns that the economy may be dragged back into recession. take a look at the numbers. last month alone the u.s. budget deficit grew nearly $60 billion. in the first nine months of the budget year the deficit totaled more than $904 billion. according to the nonpartisan

congressional budget office the u.s. is on track to once again exceed a 1 trillion-dollar deficit for the fourth straight year. matt mccall is president of the penn financial group and with us now. you've got erskine bowles who was president clinton's chief of staff saying the chances are we are going over the fiscal cliff. i hate to say it, but that's where we are going. we are going over the fiscal cliff and it seems like no one in washington is paying much attention to this. >> the attention has gone away from this and it's about the election in my mind. it's about bashing romney, bashing obama, in the meantime the clock is ticking. i'm a bit optimistic on this. i believe that the politicians will figure something out by the end of the year. megyn: why on earth would you believe that? >> i believe it's posturing right now. megyn: when have they ever reached a meaningful agreement to reduce the deficit or debt before? >> meaningful agreement, maybe not that. i think they'll kick the can down the road a little bit further, get past it extend the

bush tax cuts for under 250,000, above $250,000. and taxes will be raised on deaf tkepbdz, capital gains, all that stuff will be taken care of. megyn: it's teaspoons in the ocean. >> if i'm wrong this cliff is not a little cliff, this is a major catastrophe. when you add this on top of the fact that china is slowing down, that europe is teetering. you who this fiscal cliff that we could possibly fall off. it hurts everybody, you and i. how about the fact that on obama's watch for every american here now their portion of the u.s. debt has risen by $16,000, each person in three and a half years, that is mind blowing. megyn: in the two hours that this show will be on the air our government will have spent $800 million that it didn't have. bowls comes out and says, look this is as a practical matter what you need to know. every single dollar we spent last year was borrowed. and half of it was borrowed from foreign countries. that is the situation in which we find ourselves.

our entire budget if you do your whole family budget, your family needs 50 grand to live for the next year, you borrowed every single dollar of it from somebody else and half of it you borrowed from a foreign country. that's the situation the united states of america is living n. it's not sustainable. how does it implode? >> hopefully it doesn't implode. but it does implode because they are going to stop long us money. why will china and europe keep long us money? the rating agencies which downgrade us last year will say queere year will say we're taking you down another notch. what happens if we get downgraded? they stop loaning us money. megyn: interest rates go up. >> we pay more on the money we are borrowing. megyn: you can't touch the third rail is this entitlement spending, and people get upset when you call it social security entitlement, whatever, you know what i'm talking about, social

security, medicare, medicaid, the healthcare law is the new big entitlement program. once they are in, matt there is no taking them out. when erskine bowles -- bowls simpson came out with their report on how to reduce our debt. they wanted to raise the retirement age by a year i think it was from 65 to 66 and you had democrats, some democrats coming out and saying, yeah -- i think it was dick durbin said that sounds reasonable. it was like ar armageddon, what? from 65 to 66 that's crazy talk. you can't get anything passed. >> we laugh at greece they are going to raise retirement age and have austerity measures but when it comes to us, americans we don't want austerity either because we've been given handouts by the government that we've been accustomed to living w. when they try to pull it away no way. you're definitely not voting for a politician that will be doing that. how can any politician come up right now and say we're going to cut you off it's better for the country long term, for your children, your grandchildren, that politician is never going

to get elected. these what scarce the heck out of me. it's never going to change. the only way to really do this is raise taxes which of course that is not good for the economy, it could be a double-dip recession or major, major cuts and no politician wants to do this. megyn: as a realistic matter as you look at the politics of it does this ever get done, meaningful reform to knock down this record deficit, does this ever done before this country is on the fiscal cliff, is falling off the cliff? i mean, do we have to be greece before the politicians look at the american people and say, sorry but we have to do it, we have to stop spending and in some cases we may have to raise taxes. >> unfortunately, yes i think it's going to take that. if we can't look at greece or look at the rest of european realize that we are on the same path, if we can't comprehend that right now, they have to wack us against the head and say this is real. what they are doing and will continue to do to kick this can down the road is keep printing u.s. dollars. what is going to happen is the value of our u.s. dollar is

going to go down every single year until it's, i don't want to say it's worth less but it will be worth a lot less than now. you'll have milk at $10 a carts tonight. it could seriously blow up this country if we don't do something now. i believe something will get done, kick the can down the road a little bit further at end of the year. nothing meaningful in my mind will be done for years. megyn: paul ryan put out a plan and was demon ized instantly. thank you. they were drug addicts living in squallor, how a billionaire and his american wife ended up at the center of this bizarre mystery. a live report. inside the minds of than men accused of covering up jerry sandusky's child rapes at penn university. why did they keep quiet?

you know why sandusky kept quite. why did four respected senior officials at the university choose to help him cover up these crimes? dr. ablow is here just ahead. these four men, according to louie freeh the former f.b.i. director knew about two incidents of sexual molestation and instead of reporting it to the authority they chose to cover it up out of their concern for the mo molester. how do four grown men get to that point? ♪

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megyn: new developments out of london today, where the son of one ever the wealthiest men in the world are has been arrested on suspicion of killing his american wife. police say they found the woman's body in a bedroom of the couple's mansion and are now looking into whether the husband lived with her corpse for days

before it was discovered. ahmed khalfa trace gallagher has more on this bizarre story. >> reporter: the 40-year-old woman could have been dead inside her london mansion for up to a week. she was actually in ha california rehab clinic earlier this month, her husband was supposed to join her but he never showed up. she got worried and flew back to london and died shortly there after. two days ago they arrested her husband because he was driving under the influence. they found drugs in his car, got a warrant to search his mansion and that's when they found the body of his wife. he has now been arrested and charged with murder. here is the thing, there is still no cause of death for the wife. toxicology reports have not comeback. she wasn't shot, doesn't appeared to be strangled, and they have not questioned the husband because he's in a clinic being treated for alcohol abuse. so the things are kind of getting really weird, and the mom says, yeah, she did have

some heart problems, and she believes there is a possibility that the flight from california to london may have caused a heart attack. the cops clearly do not believe that. they had both been certified or serious drug charges, heroin and cocaine, have well-known drug addictions. they live in a 100 million-dollar mansion in london and the cops say they were kind of reclusive, confining themselves to two rooms of squallor and the husband may have been with his dead wife in those rooms for several days. megyn: unbelievable. thanks, trace. politics getting very personal right now. the campaigns for president obama and governor romney trading allegations of lying. and now there is a request by governor romney for the president to apologize. we'll talk about it right after the break. and a look inside one of the most sophisticated drug tunnels we've ever seen.

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megyn: the romney campaign a cushion the president's team of out of control behavior today saying they have belittled the election process with the accusation that governor romney may be a fell on long. this after a boston globe article suggested he was in charge at his former firm bain capital for three years longer than he claimed which proeplted the president's re-election team, a top official thereof to suggest that mitt romney has either been lying to the american people about his time at bain or committed a felony in bain's sec filings which listed him as chairman of the board for three years. joining me now is michael graham, and chris kafinis.

welcome to the program again. mitt romney, michael has come out and said, this is, you know, ludicrous, and the suggestion of that i'm a felon has taken the campaign to a new low. >> it's hard to cross a politician that goes across the line. when you say president obama has been spending like a drunken sailor the only people you're offending are drunken sailors. when you say someone is a criminal that is a different arena particularly when the obama campaign knows, and the boston globe know that they are wrong. my source on this is that notorious right news baston journalism "the washington post." if i can quote them for a second, the real romney, a book by the boston globe reporter states clearly that he left bain in 1999 when he went to run the olympics and details the turmoil that ensued when he suddenly

quick. even the globe knows it's bogus. when you call someone a crook based on a bogus story you've made a critical mistake. megyn: romney has said he left bain in 99 to run the olympics. they said you he was listed as sole shareholder of the company. it caused them to say he was misrepresenting his position at bain to the scc which is a felony or misrepresenting to the american people. could it possibly be that he gave up operational control of bain in 1999 that's why he's telling the american people he was out of bain as of 99 still under the law had to list himself as ceo of the company which he was until 2002. >> the romney campaign's story has got even mixed up in terms of what the reality is. did he leave in 99 or stay longer. if you listen to some of his statements and some of the public statements he's made it looked like he stayed longer. he was on the board for a bit

longer. it's not clear what his real story is. megyn: i want to ask you, where is the proof that romney had operational control of bain capital past 1999? >> listen, if you are noted as the ceo to most individuals you're leading the company. megyn: that doesn't answer my question. operational control is different from on paper. >> let me put it another way. if he says he wasn't in operational control while was he sitting on boards of company has were basically managed by a bank? megyn: do they do that all the time michael graham in business when you are the ceo and yet you're doing something else and they like to use your name -- >> let me just add this. megyn: your connections. chris and then mike. >> this is the wrong -- look, the wrong conversation. fortune magazine and "the washington post" have already covered this. the story has been ripped apart. it's absolutely not true that mitt romney ran bain after 1999. everything you're hearing is a lie or misrepresentation.

megyn: it's true it's not true. i was trying to set up the facts. we can't agree on the facts. here is my question. does any of this matter? we did a segment ten minutes ago, michael with matt mccall on the fact that we are about to go another trillion dollars into debt in this country. we've got a record debt in this country right now. nobody is doing anything about it and you tell me whether the american people give two figures whether romney was in control of bain from 99 to 2000 or did it end in 99 operational control versus ceo. >> i think the question that comes out of this story is is the obama campaign so desperate to go out and say something that is wildly and blatantly untrue. when you're calling someone a crook, a felon, you should be in jail, shouldn't there be some evidence? or is this dirty smear politics that people say they don't like. >> the romney campaign didn't throw cupcakes the last nine-plus months. let's be realistic about the reality of politics.

that being said in terms of why this matters, it does matter because you don't just elect a resume, trust matters, character matters, and when you're talking about issues in terms of your policies and the notion that you're going to solve the big problems, the economic problems, the job problems, and you reference your resume, and that resume is flawed or full of holes, yeah it matters, this is something that we should debate. it goes to the heart of where we're going to lead this country. >> chris, you just made my argument. when the president of united states runs ads that "the washington post" and fortune say are found amount alley false -- >> i know you believe those are false. the facts are not clear. what i would say to the romney campaign, if that's the case, if you're right and these are all false then come out, romney should come out and lay this out in a speech and layout all the facts to the american people once and for all. megyn: i'm wondering whether the viewers actually do care about this three-year period. >> don't they care about character? that's my question. i agree with you the debt and

jobs are far bigger than this. but this is a fundamental character issue. megyn: this is what this election is coming down to, the daily knit picking, on both sides, both sides do it and i don't know i think people get frustrated. the danger in going down to the knit picky things, back and forth is that both sides get ugly. both sides are going to get ugly and that further ae alienates people. and stephanie cutter using the word felon in a presidential contest leads to harsh responses like the one we heard from john senunu last night. listen here. >> can you imagine how dumb this president is introducing the concept of felony into the discourse, when this president comes out of chicago politics where felony and politics are sometimes a synonym? this is a president whose next door neighbor was tony resco,

and president obama's first real big revenue were real estate deals that had odd coincidences in time and space with a felon, tony resco. this is a president whose political training jowled in cheek with convicted felons like rod blagojevich. and this president is dumb enough to introduce the concept of felon into the discourse with a guy as clean as mitt romney? megyn: i'll give you the last word, chris. >> well, i mean, listen, you know, i kind of find it ironic that you could criticize someone by bringing up felon like 1200 times and it's completely all false. here is the reality. i know that people think this doesn't matter, it is not the main issue of this election, i agree with you it is about the economy and jobs, but it also is about character. and this is where i think the romney campaign is failing, they've got to address these issues. if they don't they are going to let this cancer spread. megyn: chris, michael good debate. thank you, guys. >> thanks for having me.

megyn: see you soon. new questions over the child sex-abuse scandal at penn state. the crimes of jerry sandusky kept concealed now we know by joe paterno and other top university officials. we know, we know jerry sandusky and what was in his mind, but why would these other guys, why would they shield a child predator? the postal service is critical to our economy, delivering mail, medicine and packages. yet the house is considering a bill to close thousands of offices,

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about their reputation and wanted to be humane to the molester. here is the f.b.i. director. >> our most sad evening and sobering finding is the total disregard for the safety and welfare for sandusky's child victims by the most senior leaders at penn state. the most powerful men at penn state failed to take any steps for 14 years to protect the children who sandusky victimized. megyn: dr. keith ablow is a psychiatrist and a memorandum pwerb of our fothem pwer of our fox news medical a team. dr. ablow the evidence is damming on these four then. joe pa taoerpb owe, mr. spainer, and a senior vice president gary schultz and the former athletic director joe curley. these four men, according to freeh knew about incidents of sexual molestation and chose to instead of reporting it to authorities to cover it up over their concern for the molester.

how do four grown men get to that point? >> reporter: megyn, how do a group of men decide to be part of organized crime and to disregard the rights of others and even do them violence? these are people who are narcissistic, completely selfcentered, whose careers matter erred more to them literally than the rape of children. can you imagine someone's judgment had to be judged with a grade of f, because they cared more if they were carried on the shoulders of football players. that's the legend of joe paterno. he taught hundreds of people to play football and hundreds of people not to be a man. megyn: jerry sandusky is a sick, disgusting man who has now been convicted of molesting ten boys. he's got some sort of illness

and, you know, culpability we can't even begin to get our arms around. but these four guys don't have that, dr. ablow, they don't have that, and yet they failed to do anything to report this man, and their failure, their decision to protect sandusky directly led to the rape of additional boys. >> reporter: people find each other in this world, megyn, these are character-disordered men, these are people who place profit and reputation, their own, above the well-being of others literally life and lymph others. these are people even if you told them, listen, i think these kids could be subject to drug dependency, depression, suicide in the future, i think they would have said, we've got a game coming up, we've got to win that game, why? because my career is on the line. you know, it's the opposite of heroism, it's one thing to teach men how to, you know, run through blockers when they are

running fill tilt a full tilt as you, but that's nothing like having the moral courage to oppose evil at the cost of your own career. that joe p paterno never understood. and that's why i wrote in a column that i just posted, good riddens coach. megyn: his family said, the far more realistic conclusion is that many people didn't fully understand what was happening and underestimated or misinterpreted events. they said sandusky with us a goodie seifer. he tpulhe fooled everyone. is it a possibility they looked the other way because they mistake inch lee ha mistakenly had a believe in this man. >> that's not what mr. freeh says. i would invite his family to my

office and ask them, i wonder if you were duped by him too. you looked the other way, ten people were raped, that's your father, that's your grandfather, be better than that, move on. megyn: i want to talk you about gary schultz, a former senior vice president for business and finance at penn state. this guy was told about the 1998 rape allegation that the police looked into but declined to prosecute, the assistant district attorney at the time declined to speak with inspector freeh. but his notes uncovered by mr. freeh show that he wrote down and we have it for the viewers to see, critical issue, contact with genitals, with a question mark. he went on after this to do nothing in terms of protecting young boys. when an allegation surfaced three years later that sandusky was again caught in the shower raping another young boy he wrote an email to the president of the the university talking about how he was uncomfortable

with the plan earlier reached to report jerry sandusky to the authorities because he didn't think it would be humane to jerry sandusky and went onto writing the following. the only downed side for us is if the message isn't packeted upon and we become vulnerable for not having reported it. we might get in trouble for not reporting it and still that's what they chose to do. help me understand gary schultz, because you're writing down contact with genitals as a question mark, and you have any ongoing relationship with this man who you see bringing young boys on the campus for the next ten years? >> gary schultz has a failure of empathy. gary shultsz can be found in some corporate boardrooms where people will do anything for profit. he is dottie sandusky, these are people who surrounded gary and for personal gain, secondary gain became codependent with him to achieve things they wanted. in dottie's case she wanted her

family in place. with this guy he wanted his home team. he would trade the safety of kids for feeling like a member of the team. but really when you think about it this is a team from hell. megyn: and now he, along with the other gentlemen are on trial for perjury for allegedly having lied to the grand jury about all of this. dr. ablow you wrote in a piece a few months ago that these men may have known how to win football games but they knew nothing about moral courage as you point out today. thank you so much for your insight, sir. >> thank you, megyn, take care. megyn: we're taking your thoughts on that right now. you can follow me on twitter at megyn. let me know what you think. let me know what you think. coming up, drug enforcement agents discovering three massive tunnels under american soil smuggling channels like never seen straight ahead.

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megyn: when people look at it it looks crazy, that's a very natural thing. sometimes when we look at it it looks crazy. megyn: that is one of nasa's biggest scientists talking about america's next mission to mars.

he's also one of the unlikely stars of a new hit viral video. it features engineers talking about how nasa will land the next rover on the red planet. some who watch the video calm pairing it to trailers for hollywood's biggest blockbusters. trace gallagher has more live from our west coast newsroom. >> reporter: we'll show you more of this thing. you have to go online and look at it for yourself because it's really well done, i mean the real mars rover lands on august 5th or crashes down depending on whose view you go to which is where the term 7 minutes of terror comes in. >> edl is referred to as the seven minutes of terror. we've got literally seven minutes to get from the top of the atmosphere to the surface of mars going from 13,000 miles an hour to zero. >> reporter: you know, it really does play or watch like a movie trailer. you hear the music in the background, kind of an

armageddon kind of thaoefplt it's very cool. like other federal agencies nasa is not allowed to spend money to tooth its own horn to advertise, right? they put this thing together, they put it online and they hoped it would go viral and did it ever. a half million hits on youtube. here is more of it. watch. >> mars is actually really hard to slow down, because it has just enough atmosphere that you have to deal with it, otherwise it will destroy your spacecraft. on the other hand, it doesn't have enough atmosphere to finish the job. >> reporter: in reality seven minutes of terror, megyn is actually 21 minutes of suspense, because rover's radio signal takes 14 minutes to get 150 million miles away on mars back to earth. these assuming it makes it. listen again. >> you can't get those rocket engines too close to the down. if we were to descend our engines all the way to the ground it would create a massive

dust cloud. the way we solve that problem is by using the sky crane. >> 20 meters above the surface we have to lower the rover below us on a at th on a tether21 feet long and gently deposit it on the surfac surface. >> it's a $2.5 billion mission to see if the building blocks of life, oxygen, nitrogen, carbon actually eubgs ised on early mars. curiosity blasted off eight and a half months ago and is kind of getting ready to finish the 150 million-mile journey. megyn: very cool. great report, thank you, sir. dangerous development out of syria. massive stockpiles of chemical

weapons on the move. is this regime ready to use those on its own people? the president said his biggest mistake so far has been insufficient story telling. we'll have a debate coming up. [ male announcer ] let's say you need to take care of legal matters.

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megyn: fox news alert. it could be the worst massacre of civilians since the start of the uprising in syria following new word that the assad regime is moving nerve gas. opposition sources say that more than 200 people in one village were killed by helicopter gun ships and tank fire. a slaughter they say that was

unleashed on them by their own government. these latest atrocities prompting the white house to say the united nations must organize an international response to this crisis that claims to have killed 10,000 syrians so far. we have seen images of the regime's crackdown on innocent civilians like this little girl who has become the face of what is at stake. fox news confirms from a senior u.s. defense source that syria's stockpile of deadly chemical weapons is on the move. leland vittert has the latest developments live from jerusalem. >> reporter: what we are hearing from u.s. defense official and concerning them most is they don't know who ordered this move to take the nerve gas agent and other chemical weapons they have in syria out of the warehouses into the front line positions towards

some of these rebel strongholds. was it the general doing it on their own or was it president al-assad who is willing to use chemical weapons against his own people? they say it is possibly involving serin nerve gas. oops. they certainly have the ability to use chemical weapons. they have showed off their missile strike capability and we have seen their artillery capability. we are being told about it rebels that 220 people, many of them women and children, many of them civilians were killed by an indiscriminate shelling attack and helicopter gunships that came on the scene followed up by troops on the ground who killed at will in that village. what we are hearing now is a new

trend of door-to-door killing. the syrian government is denying these reports that they moved their chemical weapons stores into positions where they could be used. intelligence officials here in israel very concerned not only about the possible use these chemical weapons but also if they can fall into very bad hands in the coming weeks. megyn, back to you. megyn: the pentagon saying if syria were to use chemical weapons on its own people it would cross a serious line. mustard gas blisters the body horribly. joining me is the author of "cane at gettysburg." do you agree this regime has a

plan for ethnic cleansing? >> i'm not privy to the government's plans. chemical weapons are horrible. the nerve gas kill quickly but not immediately. you can suffer horrible agony for 30 seconds, a minute or two minutes. mustard gas blisters your body inside and out. mustard gas, some people survive, but they have horrible lives. their lungs are ruined. sarin gas may appeal to the assad regime. a nerve agent will kill the people, kill the animals but leave the buildings intact. these are classic ethnic cleansing weapons at saddam used

against the kurds. to use them to punish the rebels or to commit genocide or the ultimate revenge weapon. megyn: could it be just saber rattling, some sort of a warning? more and more in the international community are look at assad. he slaughtered babies so far. he has been slaughtering little children and babies and shooting families in the head one by one as parents look on as they murder their children. there doesn't seem to be much doubt he's capable of it. but you tell me whether this could just be a saber rattling to keep the international community out. >> that's a very, very important issue. i think there are three possibilities. he's definitely moving the gas and nerve agents. he could be moving it to keep it out of rebel hands and preserve it for future use by his own

troops. he could be moving it because he's ready to use it and slaughter people, or as you point out, he could be deploying to it say to the international community. you send troops in here and this will be an ugly fight. even our best defenses against nerve agents aren't perfect. the protective mats sometimes leak. so all those things. your point is well taken. megyn: now you have got the senior u.s. officials saying there is no diplomatic solution. the white house is calling on the u.n. to call for an international solution. what should we be doing you? watch the slaughter of babies and you think, the world's super power needs to step in but yet you point out there is not necessarily a clear good guy and clear bad guy. we can all agree this little girl is innocent but there are severe stakes for the united states as well. >> in conflicts like this in the

middle east sometimes you have to get away from the american idea that there are white hats and black hats. sometimes you want to be on the side of the bad guys. in syria most of the freedom fighters against the assad regime are good. there are some radical element. so when you support them, for instance if the cia were to arm them, support them with intelligence training or special-ops *. you want to make sure you don't screw up and give the stuff to the wrong people who ultimately turn into terrorist. so you have to have a feel for who you are supporting. i think we can do that. but our problem is president obama isn't going to do anything if he can avoid it until the election. and the syrians and their iranian backers and the iranians themselves in their own sand box realize full well that they have a window of opportunity for the assad regime. they see now to november as a

window when they can slaughter their own people with impugnity. megyn: so disturbing. thank you, sir. a bomb scare forcing a delta flight to turn around and make an emergency landing at new york's jfk airport. a plane was bound for madrid when a federal air marshal discovered something suspicious inside a bathroom. >> reporter: they don't even confirm there is an air marshal program. apparently it was an alert federal air marshal who is credited with finding suspicious items on flight 156 head for madrid with 200-plus passengers. a female passenger was

complaining of breathing problems who was thought to be a decoy. they looked like straws and tubes with wired extending out of them. the air marshal reportedly found those in the lavatory. that sent the flight back to jfk an hour after it took off. the port authority, the nypd and the fbi met that flight. emergency services, too. moved the plane to a remote airport location and the passengers escorted off and all questioned. two passengers were looked at carefully. one was the woman complaining of health problems who intelligence sources say really was sick. and the last man to use the lavatory. then the flight it was sweeped by bomb sniffing dogs was allowed to resume its trip to madrid. they didn't turn up anything further except the straws and

the wires. officials are confirming no bomb was found. it isn't a bomb and no arrests were made. but we got this statement from the tsa. delta flight 126 returned to jfk due to the discovery of a suspicious item. as a precaution the flight taxied to a remote location. aircraft searched, negative results after that. none of the passengers questioned have been identified it's unclear if that suspicious device has been sent for further analysis. fit has and if we learn of it, you will hear from us first. megyn: new concerns about a growing threat from iran after a sobering pentagon report on the rogue nation's military buildup is released. how long until iran can hit the united states with a ballistic missile. it's causing concerns about

whether we are doing enough to keep iran from building nuclear weapons. ambassador john bolton is right after this break. president obama saying his biggest mistake in office has nothing to do with policy, but it's about messaging. our panel weighs in on that. justin bieber hit with a $9 million lawsuit. what a woman claims he did that she says caused her permanent damage. a party?

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megyn:megyn: new reaction to a pentagon report on iran's military capabilities. the report finds that iran is making strides in virtually all weapons categories including nuclear and with foreign

assistants rogue nation may be able to test a ballistic missile capable of striking american soil within the next three years. top american lawmakers are criticizing president obama saying he has not done enough to deal with the threat from iran. now joining us is ambassador john bolton. this an unclassified report prepared in april. it gives the congressional committees scene overview of where iran stands. now it's been leaked to the media. in your words it's not good. >> well, i think the thing that's surprising many people on the hill is that after years of downplaying iran's missile progress, this report is much more pessimistic. but honestly i think the earlier reports were misleading. i think iran has been make steady progress in terms of extending the range of its missiles, extending its accuracy

and work on what is critical from our point of view, mating the nuclear warheads with the missile program. the whole purpose of this program is to supply a delivery system for the nuclear weapons. when you see iran make more progress than people had previously appreciated. the image of iran's nuclear capability gets more disturbing. megyn: they are talking about large strides iran has made in weapons categories. then as you point out, the marriage between potential nuclear war head and ballistic missile that's capable of hitting the united states by 2015 they say. this is our internal assessment, this isn't the bluster of tehran? >> i think the odds are iran is even farther along. our intelligence is far from perfect. if the past 10 years has taught

us anything, it should teach us to be humble with our intelligence. the news is worse than we expect. it's not just ballistic missiles we have to fear from iran when we consider their nuclear weapons. if they can fashion a nuclear device that doesn't fit on their missiles, they could still put it in the hold of a steamer and sale into any port in the world. you can deliver the weapon through dries other than a ballistic missile. megyn: it talks about iran is up to no good backing hezbollah and the taliban and others. john boehner says he believes they have passed the sanctions package with teeth but the president is not taking advantage of it. we gave him a tool box of tools to use to bring the iranians to heel, but what specifically.

specifically in terms of the sanctions, what more could the president be doing that he's not doing? >> he should not have granted waivers from to approximately 20 countries from the financial sanctions congress adopted last year. he was given waiver authority by congress as a condition to him accepting the bill and the waivers were granted because these countries reduced their importation of iranian oil. but i don't think the waivers should have been granted. let me just say, iran is an outstanding and and and creative country when it comes to evading sanctions. they are more creative in evading the sanctions than we are in imposing them. megyn: if nothing happens, let's say the current policy stays the current policy.

where does that leave us? >> iran is going to get nuclear weapons. i have been critical of the obama administration. the american failure here extends back into the bush administration. particularly in the last four years. iran has not cleared the possibility of an american military strike. they have proceeded across broad and deep nuclear weapons program to develop capabilities not just racing to get one nuclear weapon. this 20-year effort on iran's part is close to paying off. that's the most likely outcome that they will get nuclear weapons and very soon. megyn: they continue their long-standing support of terror group including hamas, hezbollah and the taliban. this nation on its way to getting the nuke according to our pentagon. thank you, sir.

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megyn: police in los angeles are trying to sort out how a monthly

art walk turned into a full-on riot. occupy l.a. protesters decided to show up for the monthly gathering of art lovers. they were handing out free chalk and encouraging people to draw on the sidewalks and buildings. that's when riot police moved in. 20 were arrested. four officers suffered minor injuries. new concerns along our southern border. drug enforcement agents discovering three massive drug smuggling tunnels and the size and sophistication unlike any we have seen before. trace gallagher has the details live from our west coast newsroom. >> reporter: one of them was 240 yards long. can you imagine? that's 2 1/2 football fields. it was found under an abandoned strip mall in yuma, arizona, and

led to an ice shop in mexico. it was lined with structural beams and flywood. it had electricity, fully ventilated. it was 55 feet deep so it had to be solid structuralwise. authorities say there had to be some engineers involved. >> most of the time what we find in arizona is someone dug into the dirt. i can't think of one this sophisticated in arizona. >> reporter: the authorities say it cost $1.5 million, and one successful load of drugs and the cartels get their money back. sinaloa cartel controls this area so authorities think they are involved in this.

they found methamphetamine and it led to the sink and below the sing was the tunnel. two other tunnels were found closer to san diego. not nearly as intricate or as long as these. that's the 29 pounds of meth. 129 tunnels found in the last eight years in that area, and the authorities say there are still likely dozens more out there, they just haven't located it. megyn: trace, thank you. the a. manpower that went into those. coming up. a horrifying crash caught on camera. how those involved are doing and why police want everyone to see this video. president obama saying his biggest mistake in office has nothing to do with jobs or unemployment, but was all about getting his message across. we'll have a fair and balanced debate on that after the break. a teenaged girl run down and

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megyn: governor romney and the republican national committee both suggesting the president misstepped in an interview with cbs news. president obama commenting on what he believe is the biggest mistake of his first term. listen here. >> the mistake of my first term -- a couple of years, was thinking that this job was just about getting the policy right. and that's important. but, you know, the nature of this office is also to tell a story to the american people that gives them a sense of unity and purpose and optimism, especially during tough times. megyn: joining me now, alan

colmes and mike gallagher. the romney campaign came out and said, no, that he's -- that being president is not about telling stories, it's about leading and president obama failed to lead. are the critics being too tough on him? >> i'm shocked to hear the romney campaign say that about president obama. what a surprising response. of course, they will be tough on him, but he can take it. megyn: did he misstep? >> i thought he gave a thoughtful response. i think that the right wing, the conservatives do a better job of messaging than liberals and democrats do. when i believe democratic and liberal policies are better for a wider swath of the american public, i don't think they do as good a job selling those policies to the american people. conservatives have great word smits like frank luntz who do a wonderful job encapsulating

policies and telling it very well. megyn: is that the issue, the salesmanship? >> according to alan it is. i probably agree we are just hearing alan colmes confirm what we are all afraid of, that the biggest thing president obama regrets is that he hasn't been a good enough storyteller and hasn't spun as well as he should have. i got to believe that people who are trying to find a job that men who have been out of work for a year, what they wanted to hear the president say is doggone it, i wish unemployment wants over 8%. i wish we weren't trillions of dollars in debt. this is a confirmation. and how anyone can sit there and say this isn't a gaffe, this is an unscripted moment, barack obama unplugged to show what a narcissist, how arrogant he is.

the best he can come up with is i wasn't a good enough storyteller. >> he knows unemployment is a little high. he knows it has to come down faster. megyn: let me jump in here. the response we get from viewers when the president says this web said this kind of thing before, and kathleen sebelius and others and nancy pelosi have said these things before, which suggests to some viewers that if you just understood we better would you love my policy. then you get responses from viewers saying i'm insulted. i understand perfectly. your messaging was dead on. i just reject your policy. >> that may be true there are people who think that. i personally believe my side can do a better job in messaging and selling policy. megyn: how could he have done better? he gave speeches on healthcare before it was passed. >> the tax the supreme court

desided. i would call it a free rider tax. i would say it ends socialism because we are no longer supporting people who are not in the system. there are a number of things that could be said to help sell these policies. >> all he does is go around and deliver a message. my, gosh web's on the view, he's on the weather channel. he's on espn. he never misses a chance to fire up air force one. it's not about the message. it's about the substance. megyn: the other question is for you. the other part of his message is i wish i had given people a sense of unity and purpose and optimism. and alan he has taken a lot of incoming for not being more optimistic about america and the american people. >> i think he did a good job on

self-evaluation. it's not just about getting the policy right. i think he gave a thoughtful self-evaluation of what i should have thought of a broard context. as a leader i have got to impart optimism and a sense of purpose and unity. megyn: what about the sense he talks about he wishes he had give up the people a sense of unity. can the president give a sense of unity or dose have to lift, walk the walk? >> when you think you are the chosen one, that's what you do. i'm telling with you this be guy thinks can walk on water. the thoughtful answer should have gone the is i wish i realized how unqualified i was. >> that's a great idea.

megyn: usually you get a question, what's your biggest mistake? my biggest regret is more american people aren't back at their jobs. about it was a big challenge. you shouldn't really admit the weakness in the job interview. >> no matter what he would have said he would have been pounced on by the right. that's what they would have said if he had give up that answer. there is no answer he would have given that with make mike gallagher happy. none. nothing would make him happy. >> i shouldn't have taken the oath. >> you should get a job as a white house speech writer. you would do a good job. megyn: a good debate as always. he got kicked out of the country for being here illegally and he came back and came the eye of law enforcement but he was not

kicked out again. then he killed a 17-year-old girl who was just standing there waiting for the school bus. "kelly's court" on whether justice will finally be served. >> i was talking to her. it was like she wasn't responding to my voice.