tv The O Reilly Factor FOX News July 17, 2012 4:00am-5:00am EDT
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accusing the company bain invested in sending jobs abroad. romney denies that but the attacks keep on coming. >> stop whining, if you want to claim bain capital is your calling card to the white house. defend what happened to bain capital and what happened to those jobs that went overseas and those jobs actually cut and companies that went into bankruptcy. >> bill: according to analysis by fact check.org bain capital under romney did invest in companies that did outsource. that's not unusual. so did the obama administration and rahm emanuel was right there. and that's the rub. how can president obama attack romney for outsourcing when he did the exact same thing? the obama administration has continued to make billions of taxpayer dollars available to the general electric corporation, mostly through loans but there were grants for green energy projects. g.e. employs will 300,000 people. fewer than half, 131,000 are
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working in the u.s.a. let me repeat. less than half of g.e.'s workforce are employed in america. g.e. has 277' plants in 43 countries. and keeps overseas profits overseas. thereby avoiding u.s. income tax. in fact, general electric paid zero federal income tax in 2010 according to the "new york times." nevertheless, president obama is a huge fan of g.e. and it's ceo jeffrey immelt. >> i am so proud and pleased that jeff has agreed to chair this panel. my council on jobs and competitiveness because we think g.e. has something to teach businesses all across america. [ applause ] >> bill: talking points would like to know exactly what g.e. could teach corporations across america? how to create jobs overseas? how to avoid u.s. corporate income taxes?
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how to borrow billions from the taxpayers? what lessons are we talking about, mr. president? so how can the obama team be outraged over mitt romney's outsource exposure when it champions general electric, an outsourcing kingdom? a simple question because i am a simple man. here is the end game. outsourcing a fact of life in capitalism. i don't like it but it's legal and companies profit from it the obama administration has embraced corporations that practice outsourcing big time and so did mitt romney. so i would call it a tie. with the obama campaign having some deep splaining to do. that's the memo any. now reaction. joining us from washington fox news political analyst brit hume. so once again, talking points has ripped the lid off this phony bogus b.s. or am i wrong? >> well, one begins to sense at this stage, bill, that
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perhaps the public thinks it's phony bologna, too. this has been going on for some weeks now and the obama campaign has spent a lot of money hurling these charges on -- related to bain capital and mitt romney and it doesn't seem to have moved the needle of public opinion very much. and my sense is that the romney people are looking at this and making calculations about how much to spend in retort to this and how much to respond to all of this and they are taking the view that they are better off keeping their powder dry and holding their fire and holding their money until later. that seems to be what's happening. my guess is that my surmise is that they're looking at the same polls the rest of us are looking at and saying jeez, this doesn't look very well. >> bill: it's not my job to defend mitt romney. i don't feel easy about doing it not my job to defend president obama. that's not what we do here. i was -- i listened to this as you did for weeks. before i said this is insane.
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but i wonder why the romney people didn't do what i just did. say are you kidding me? look at general electric? look at this. bill, he did have a response about outsourcing not to specific related to g.e. but in relation to some of the other grants and so forth that have gone to companies that employ overseas and so on. so he did have a rebuttal to that at one point he called, you know in one sound bite i heard him call the president the outsourcer and chief because i guess that's what one of the ads or something had called him. he did respond in kind to some extent. but he seems to be content to try to deflect these criticisms and to keep the phone cuss on, you know, on the economy and on jobs and so on. >> i don't know if that's wise though because in the court of public opinion. romney now is the predatory capitalist. even today,just today, president obama said. this, go. >> governor romney's experience has been investing in what were called pioneers of the business of
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outsourcing. now he wants to give more tax breaks to companies that are shipping jobs overseas. >> but so do you? does does president obama. i'm saying am i in the twilight zone here? because president obama embraced g.e. to an extent very rarely seen in america. he appointed immelt to his -- run his council on getting more jobs in america. even as immelt is sending jobs overseas. it seems to me to be hypocritical but it's really really -- what's the word uberous? uberous? >> it means a certain kind of arrogance about things and belief in your own infallibility. what strikes me about this is. this raises a couple of interesting yes, sir. i know there is a rot of conservatives pooh who are supporting romney. this raises an interesting
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question just sort of a political strategy. of whether you risk by helding back, being indelibly marked radio, he fined by your opponent. in this case romney being defined by obama when autumn get out your artillery and begin firing away it can be too late. i don't think that's happening. the polling doesn't suggest that's happening. if it is, this will go down in the books as a very bad mistake. >> bill: i'm going to ask rove about it tomorrow. is he going to be on the program. the fax returns now surface again. they want romney's tax returns back until 1922, i guess. is this a big deal? should i be concerned about this? >> brit: well, it's hard to say. i don't see this as making much of a difference. any time it's disclosure vs. nondisclosure you always wonder whether it isn't better just to put it out there. if it turns out that if people get to hear once again that mitt romney is this very very
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rich man be and he certainly is that who has or had possibly although i think it's had some offshore bank accounts, i guess the obama team would have sport with that and the media would play along. i'm not sure how much that matters. people are going to know come fall mitt romney is a rich guy and he made a lot of moneyed in the private sector. if you don't trust the private sector and rich guys you are not going to vote for him anyway. >> bill: put them all out now. >> that's kind of what i think. >> unless he wrote off the dog on the top of the car as write off. >> that might be profitable. >> bill: brit hume, everybody. next on the run down, the controversy over mitt romney's visit to the naacp continues. we will have the latest. later, tough topic for the black community in america. the collapse of the african-american family bernie goldberg has thoughts on that upcoming.
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>> bill: last thursday we had debate over mitt romney's appearance at the naacp convention in houston. john mccain received some jazz when he visited the naacp four years ago. mr. shelton said that was not true. roll the tape. >> if i am making $17,000 a year, i cannot afford my housing. i cannot afford gas and food and to provide healthcare for my children. what are you going to do, senator? >> bill: can you decide if that's jazz or not. but there is no question that when senator mccain tried to engage the african-american community at a different event, it was tough going. >> i voted against a federal holiday in member of dr. king. [boos] >> i was wrong. [heckling] >> i was wrong. [heckling]
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>> we all make mistakes. >> i was wrong and eventually realized that in time, in time to give full support, full support for a state holiday in my home state of arizona. [shouting] >> bill: joining us now from san francisco the former mayor of that town. brown. some believe outreach to the african-americans in general is kind of hopeless, what say you? >> no. i don't think it's hopeless at all. if you spoke to former governor arnold schwarzenegger he would tell you in his re-election bid he scored higher among black democrats than any republic had ever done in the history of the state of california and that's because he made the effort he had made some appointments. >> what did he say to them that rallied them to his cause? >> he started with the credibility of his having appointed qualified african-americans to positions like judge ships and things of
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that nature. he had a fellow named timothy simon, black man who was his appointment secretary that he put on the public utilities commission. he had done just a marvelous job of reaching out to americans -- african-americans and included them at every single solitary level in the decision-making process. whether it was public policy. whether t was regulations. he had done exactly that. that made a difference. black folk understood that remember, black folk had been republicans first. democrats were smart. they moved in and offered programs and policies that allowed african-americans to become incredibly dedicated in many democratic elections. >> bill: you are a democrat but somebody else would say the democrats moved in and gave them all kinds of entitlements making them dependent on the democratic party and the state which is not a good thing. that's the other side of that in my debate with mr. shelton
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on last thursday, he said flat out that romney should have changed his delivery style. changed his message. romney gave the same speech in houston that he gives everywhere report? that he is going to overturn obama care and cut government programs back and cut spending that's what he says everywhere. mr. shelton said hey don't say that to us. do you want him to patron nice and not tell the truth? that doesn't seem to be smart. you say? >> all i say is this: if i'm an unemployed person and you are soliciting my vote, i want you to tell me exactly how you are going to help me get a job. i want you to tell me how you are going to help me get some healthcare if i need healthcare. i want you to tell me if i'm an environmentalist what you are going to do with the environment. if you give me your stock speech that ranges all over
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the place, i'm going to find you uninterested and maybe in some cases offensive. >> bill: romney was pretty specific on education. >> -- practical politicians speaks to the audience that they are in attendance with. >> bill: all right. i have done that for year in and year out. >> bill: not contradict himself. i thought he was brave to go in there and say what he is going to do. >> i don't think he should ever contradict himself because he will never get away with it. >> bill: flip flopper. >> that is correct. he doesn't have to flip flop. for an example, i don't know if you recall the history, it's too far back, but mr. nixon in his administration with secretary of state george schultz when he was head at that time, i think, of the department of labor, it was interesting because they fashioned the means by which we ultimately got affirmative action. the set aside and programs of that nature for small
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businesses in this country came out of the bowels of the republicans. democrats eventually grabbed on to it, i'm sure that there was an appreciation and a reflection by black americans showing that they loved that idea and they pushed that idea and it makes good sense for all america. >> bill: today in our political economy one big party democrats big spending and the republic party the opposite. the polls say that mitt romney has 2% of the african-american vote right now. okay. black unemployment is 15%. black youth unemployment is 40%. so president obama has not done the job for the black community and the stats are the stats. yet, mitt romney is 2%. how you can explain that? >> and, bill, let me assure you that there are black persons who are regularly pounding the president for a greater program directed at
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the black community. the president talks about addressing the issues that that effects all people similarly situated. >> he has failed the community help them you are a no spin guy very blunt. if barack obama were a white democrat would he be getting 95%. >> not without a program. >> bill: he doesn't have a program. it failed. his big government program failed. >> no. program to make sure that we're able to vote. when rick scott, the governor of florida steps up and starts taking people off the voter rolls and eric holder responds to that that's a positive. >> bill: all right. >> it's clear republicans shouldn't support rick scott in doing that believe me democrats are going -- >> bill: i would like to have that debate. i will tell you it looks to the casual observer that skin color is a pretty big issue
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here when you take into account how african-americans have not fared well under mr. obama's economic policies. that's what it looks like. >> let me assure you skin color means a lot to people of color. particularly black people. they are very proud of the fact that they have a black president but they do hold him as accountable as they would any white president similarly situated and they are doing that directly. they may not be offensive in doing it they may not be aggressive in the sense of being able to have you know about it, but, believe me, they are directing his attention to the problems existing in the african-american community and he has got to respond if the motivation is going to be there to help him keep his job. >> bill: i think i will get the votes anyway. mr. mayor, thank you very much. the president says wealthy americans owe the u.s.a. more than they are giving. is that true? juan and mary katharine moments away.
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>> bill: impact segment tonight, one of the big themes of the obama campaign is that wealthy americans are not paying their fair share in taxes. the president hit that again over the weekend. >> if you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. there was a great teacher somewhere in your life. somebody help to create thun believable american system that we had that allowed you to thrive. somebody invested in roads and bridges. if you got a business, you didn't build that, somebody else made that happen. >> bill: oh, mr. obama's point being successful americans should give back more because they had a lot of help. joining us now from washington to analyze mary katharine ham and juan williams. mary katharine, you go first tonight. you say? >> i think it's disturbing. it may be the spread the
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wealth comment of this election of course when he said joe the plumber it made a big splash last time around. you get a glimpse of president obama who i think is a committed liberal actually believes. this sets up a philosophy. if you built a business you didn't build that he says it staking a claim for the government and for everybody else in society on the successes that business people have built that they have taken risks to build and so, thereby, saying what you earn is not actually yours. it's a really backwards philosophy and i don't think that americans will respond to it. >> bill: isn't it true that all of us who are successful owe something to our country for providing the structure in which we can bloviate on my part. okay? or sell our products to people who have money to buy them. fur a merchant. isn't that true that you have to think about well, how much do i owe on a give-back basis?
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isn't that a legitimate point? >> i think there is a legitimate point in there he is using a lot of that to dress up the fact that this underlying idea is actually sort of controversial, which is, look, he says straight up, if you built a business, you didn't actually build that he thinks that the government has an incredible stake in it and that you are -- what it sounds like to me is that we are here to serve the government and that it is allowing us to thrive. that is not the way americans feel about the system. nor is it how it should work. and it sounds like we are a tap for him to turn off and on when he needs it. >> bill: juan, you reply? >> it's unbelievable what mary katharine is saying. if you think about any big company, including my favorite below variety bloviater here. there is political stability that gives us first amendment rights. there is laws that protect us. >> duh. >> infrastructure there. there is educated workforce. education system. there is a legal system, if someone violates your patent rights. if someone demands a bribe
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from you. recourse. that's why everybody's to come to america and start a business. that's why immigrants are pushing into this country for work and opportunity. the idea that we should be proud of america and invest in america is not controller. i think it's good sense. >> if it's a matter of degree, how much do we owe the government? do i owe the government now half of what i earn? >> no, no. >> bill: wait, wait, if president obama is reelected i will be paying half my money to the government in one form or another with the raise in social security taxes, with the obama care stippen on top of the federal income tax. i'm up around 50. so is anybody else making over 250,000 a year. so the president wants half. i'm saying to myself, okay rk juan, i agree and that makes me very very frightened with what juan said, that the structure that we have in place here takes money to operate. it does. we have to defend ourselves. we have to have infrastructure. we have to pay that but, where
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we are going wrong and where mary katharine is going right, juan, is that government didn't build the factor. i built the factor. >> yep, you sure did. >> bill: the government didn't help my education. i paid every nickel of my education. i didn't get a nickel from them. all right? and barack obama did nothing for me, zero. all right? so why structure help me it was my upbringing number one and my education private education that i paid for, number two, that led to my success. go ahead, juan. >> i think that in fact public education is where most people get educated in this country, guess what? the government contributes greatly to education in our system so when you say, you know what, you build the factor, of course, you built the factor. you showed nichive. but guess what, you know what? there is airwaves in this country. >> airwaves?
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>> airway -- >> this is not the greatest article. >> the whole thing is a duh statement. of course there are systems that we put in place voting public to help businesses that's what we're supposed to do. you can both be proud of that system and also acknowledge that it takes special talented hard working brave people to start businesses. they are not the same as people who start businesses. you need to honor that and those skills. it sounds like he is denigrating. everybody is hard working and smart. >> bill: 40 cents on the dollar is it -- that's what i think is fair. no more. >> you live in new york state and you pay these exorbitant tacks. the effect corporations is 23%. >> bill: listen. i have no beef on reforming the tax code. i want it reformed but on individuals 40% to all the governments combined is enough. i have got to go. >> they ignore the fact that
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during that time good things happened and bad things happened as well. perhaps mr. romney's biggest success was eliminating the deficit without raising taxes. his biggest failure maybe the common ranking 47 out of 50 states in job growth. overall, how did the governor do? we sent jesse watters to boston to gauge opinion. >> asking everybody what he thought as governor. >> very wise. always respected by the constituents of massachusetts? romney as governor spent a lot of time running for something else. he didn't have a whole lot of time to be governor he was running for senator and then president the. >> sometimes you have to look in the mirror and say when in rome. >> what did he do for us as governor? >> he took the unemployment rate down a percent. >> oh, did he? >> yeah. >> great guy, great leadership, did a great job
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managing the economy within the state. >> he did good things here and there but just like every politician they are great in one aspect and not so great in a lot of others. >> what he tried to do and did is exceptional better than most governors that i remember. >> was romney a popular governor? >> [crickets chirping] >> i'm sorry, did i break your concentration? >> mitt romney, what do you think of him? >> i'm obama all the way. he started the healthcare in mass as and is he against it now. >> all the way it's advertised in the media. when he gets a chance to actually explain it and listen to it, i think it's going to make sense. >> all righty then. >> put together the healthcare and he must have heart. >> oh, it ticks. >> get attacked for being a 1 percenter, do you think that's fair.
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>> absolutely not. country is built on cab tallism. bring that back. >> i think is he a likeable guy. five sons, good looking. >> you like his sons? >> yeah. i like his sons. they are good looking. >> do you want to date his sons? >> i'm married, sir, so, please. >> sorry, ma'am. >> put your swords away for a second. >> he says one thing and then says the opposite thing at the same time. >> kind of like obama? >> well, yeah. well, maybe. well, kind of. >> you are out of your mind. >> do you ever watch bill o'reilly? >> bill o'reilly is out of his mind. >> are you a big man? huh? i'm talking to you! >> are you a fan of the factor are. >> i am a fan of the factor. >> anything you want to say to bill. >> keep up the good work. >> what are you going to hear on a show like that. >> hear the talking points memo. >> oh, you do? >> oh, i didn't know that. >> maybe i have to start watching.
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>> bill: that's okay. and by the way. the commonwealth of massachusetts has seen its deficit rise more than $4 billion over the past two years under governor deval patrick. interesting. we come right back, bernie goldberg on why some african-american leaders don't want to talk about the collapse of the family in their precincts. later, pulling the plug on mccartney and springsteen. was that wise? moments away.
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>> thanks for staying with us, i'm bill o'reilly in the weekdays with bernie segment tonight, while discussing the horrendous amount of violence in chicago, much of it in the black neighborhoods, i said this to our guest reverend ira acree. >> when the civil rights legislation wasn't even kicked in the black family was much more stable than it is today, 70% of black babies born out of wedlock. and i think the number in 1960 was below 50%. things have gotten worse as the society has gotten more progressive. >> we don't want to make this a racial that's all it is all black crime going on in chicago that's what it is. >> percentage was 25% in 1965. with us now the purveyor of bernard goldberg.com. mr. goldberg. so the reverend clearly didn't
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want to address that. >> i'm tempted to say understandably but i think it's embarrassing 72.5% out of wedlock birth rate in america today. >> bill: for fern women. that's elm -- african-american women. that's embarrassing. in the entire recorded history of the planet, there has never been a greater voluntary abandonment of machine from their children than there is today in black america. never. when men went off to war they had to go off to war. that wasn't voluntary. but never as great of voluntary abandonment of children by their fathers in black america today. >> bill: why do you think that's happening? >> well, i think it's happening, if i have to pick the most important reason, it's fatherlessness. >> bill: perpetuates itself. you don't have a father than you do the same thing? >> you have said this in the past, it creates chaos.
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it creates a chaotic situation. that's one of the reasons you have some people killing themselves in chicago. >> bill: i know. here is my problem as a historian coming ts have from a historical point of view. 1960 to 1965 was the time in america where there was all kinds of civil rights problems. all right? i actually write extensively about this in killing kennedy which is coming up. the black out-of-wedlock birth rate back then was 22 to 25%. and this was the roughest, roughest part. tripled now. tripled. why? >> one of the reasons -- well, i will tell you why in a second. one of the reasons that the black community attributes to this, black civil rights leaders is racism. well, in 1940, when there was a lot of racism in the united states, the out-of-wedlock birth rate in black america was 19%. then, in 1965, as you said, it was 65%. >> bill: 25%. >> 25%. this coincides with the beginning of the great society
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welfare state from 1965 until today it's gotten up geometrically. so, that's what has happened. the government became the father. let me make one point that's very important to me. willie brown said earlier in the program that politicians should go to various constituencies, the black community, for instance and say this is what i'm going to do for you. that's not going to happen. because democrats will never speak on nestle to black people because their white liberal guilt gets in the way. and republicans won't speak honestly either because they don't have the courage to do it. >> bill: they don't want to be accused of being racist. >> mitt romney spoke to the naacp last week he should have looked at that audience and said look i'm going to try to turn the economy around. 's there is not much i can do for a community where 72. a% of the people are born out of wedlock. i'm not going to be able to get jobs for a 15-year-old girl who has a baby. i'm not going to be able to find jobs for a young boy. >> bill: there would have been
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a riot if you said that. >> a young boy who drops out of school because in some perverse way taking school seriously is acting white. >> bill: right. >> he should have done that and he should have said government can do just so much, you, the members of the naacp need to do more than you are doing and you better be more successful at it. >> bill: can you imagine if he said that. >> the press for openers. you kn what my answer to that is, so what? so what? you don't do anybody any favors, whether it is the naacp or any other group, when you don't speak honestly to them. and we don't speak honestly to black people. have you had three or four influential black people on the show overth last week and this week. nobody wants to acknowledge what the problem is. >> in chicago? >> in chicago. >> bill: i'm glad you brought that up. that's why i said to the reverend -- he is a good man. he is very concerned about it. look, the cops can't do it.
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the national guard can't do it. all right. what has to happen is the african-american community has to come together and demand that it stop. >> precisely. >> bill: the reason in the long term that it's come to this is because young boys, once they get big enough don't listen to their mothers. >> absolutely. >> bill: if the mother says don't go out, the young boy says i'm going out and i'm going to get in a gang because they are almost impressed into the gang. >> that's exactly. >> that's what you have. >> and with all the gusts you had on in the last few days. >> bill: nobody would acknowledge it? >> exactly. neither will the democrats and neither will the republicans. and just in fairness, white underclass isn't doing a whole lot better. the ill legit matt macy rates. >> it parallels. can you see whoot white precincts when there is no father present the behavior isn't the same as it was in the black. same thing for hispanics. >> that's correct.
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>> you can't control young black boys, young black boys, young white boys. young hispanic boys. likely going to go wrong if they have no structure. >> that young woman you played a clip earlier what are you going to do to me say the schools are failed. the children, your children. no. the schools haven't failed their children. and i'm not saying the schools are great, necessarily. they have failed the schools you go to school and you don't want to studdie. >> and nobody makes you study listen, the one thing i want to leave you with nothing is going to change in black america for the better as long as you have 72.5% of all the babies born with no father around. it isn't going to change. >> bill: all right. bernie goldberg, everybody. there it is. in a moment, reality check, the egyptians mock hillary clinton. also, mccartney and springsteen embarrassed in london. check is next. another cup of co?
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>> bill: back ever the book segment tonight, reality check. nasty stuff directed at hillary clinton by egyptian fanatics. open u.s. consulate in alexandria was publicly insulted. [chanting monica] >> bill: the chant monica is disgusting and every american should take offense. remember i advised president obama in my interview with him before the super bowl that the muslim brotherhood would become a major problem in egypt. and so they have. check 2. abc planned a big special in september entitled the best in tv, the greatest shows of our time. there are nominees like all in
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the family, mash, the simpsons, shows like that you can vote online. one intriguing is most memorable tv moment my thought is the factor interview with congressman barney frank when he said he was not responsible for misleading the public about fannie mae and freddie mac which is patently untrue. unfortunately that moment was not nominated by abc but it was memorable. was it not? you can check it out. check three the controversy over the u.s. olympic uniforms being made in china is not dying down. i am so upset that i think the olympic committee should be embarrassed out take all the uniforms and put them in a big pile and burn them and start over again. >> bill: i agree with senator reid especially the hat deal. what's up with the monica lewenski look anyway. american weight lifters are supposed to wear these hats?
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>> bill: what happened, he asked? well, they cut the mikes because the springsteen concert was held in hyde park where there is a 10:30 curfew on noise. so bureaucratic pinheads enforced that despite the historic circumstances mccartney and springsteen. london mayor boris johnson said he would have allowed the toe show continue but they didn't. they cut the mikes of those two guys. that's reality check. factor tip of the day about your money on the way in just 60 seconds.
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>> bill: i'm trying to convert anyone. but i want to make the strongest points i can for the good of the country. you can do with them what you will. >> bill: those of us that understand that theology is separated from the men who run the church remain loyal, bill. but the catholic church has sustained massive damage to its moral authority worldwide. there is no question about that.
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>> good morning to you. i am ainsley earhardt. >> i am heather nauert. thank you for watching "fox & friends first". >> let's declare it. it's going to be an awesome day today. top five stories making news at this hour. airline food causing a scare in the air. sewing needles in turk kie. they were in the flight from amsterdam. two people suffered minor injuries from biting down on the injuries. it took immediate action from
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the caterer and removed it from flights. those companies are cooperating with the fb aishgs current investigations. >> one of the busiest bridges between united states and canada is open again after a bomb threat shut it down. bomb sniffing dogs not finding anything suspicious on that bridge. 25,000 vehicles use that bridge each and every day. the threat came from the u.s. side of the bridge there was a similar threat four-days ago to a tunnel crossing. the fbi was sending in tracking dogs as police were draining the lake where the girl's buys siblings were found. the 8 and 10-year-old were last seen leaving their grandmother's house on friday. the family is determined to find the girls, though police say they are grasping at straws with no clues in this case.
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