somebody a murderer. it seems with the left, if it doesn't have a pulse, it's a prop. remember the daisy ad, lbj, the little woman, little girl, playing with flowers, blew her up. the left loves to say the right kills people that is what they do. right? >>juan: the right loves to say you are not an american, you are not one of us, you are not like us. you are not a christian. >> fair point. he has been called a felon and now called a murderer. >> murderer of women, he is against women and he doesn't understand them and he hates dogs and he is an animal abuser. what else will they say? it shows the desperation of their campaign. their rhetoric is so vehement, unsubstantiated allegations made by a senator with no proof whatever. they don't care. nothing is off limits because they must keep the white house and they will do what it takes. this will backfire.

keep acting up. >>eric: should the white house, not necessarily the campaign, should the white house say, look, we have to tone down the rhetoric. >>guest: well, maybe, i guess they think it is working. they are not, there are no ads that are run by the obama campaign about his record. right? there are ads against romney. so you have the situation we have been talking about this ad and rightly so and how the ad was put together. across the board, everyone from far left to far right has said this ad was beyond the pale. as karl rove said the other day, every arguments creates an opportunity for a counter argument. if you go too far on the negativity you can risk the possibility of turning people off. it is only august. remember, in the primary, when gingrich called romney a liar and i thought, are do you go from there? after you call them a murderer, what in the world will they say in september and october?

>> that is the amazing thing about president obama, his horrible mistakes actually help him. the ad is criminal but it takes everyone's eye off the economy so if he keeps screwing up like this he will win. >>juan: that is a good point and giuliani made that point on "fox & friends" when he said that everyone is talking about this. they are not having the real debate about the economy. so that is a good point. to get back to that point, when you look at his record and he does talk, president obama, talk about the record in the ad in this instance it would in my opinion help him if he said, the senate majority leader should not be making baseless charges on the senate floor. if you guys think this ad is somehow over the top, he can say, the way i interpret it is, this is talking about the excess of bain and how bain is all about profits. >> he should say my campaign

staff should not lie. >> integrity. >> look at the tape. i don't think i could sleep at night. >>juan: the guy, that guy, that guy joe scoptic. >>eric: and stehpanie cutter had that conversation. we have staffers at white house raising money for try others usa. >> very direct connection to priorities u.s.a. from everyone that is involved with the obama campaign and those that are serving in the white house with him. so they cannot deny it. they have in credibility. if they care. i don't know they do. they want the smoke and mirrors and distract everyone from the lack of jobs, from the economy, from the reckless spending. that is what they want did do. >>juan: i don't think there is any question, you are right. you are right. you are right. the lawyer in the house, you are right. the thing is you are a one eyed

referee, you don't see the other side is slowing a bunch of stuff out there, too. >>eric: a one eyed referee, okay. two things, we asked burton about the ad and he did not stand by it, he said it doesn't mean what it means, it is like getting lipstick on the color, and you say, yes, that is lipstick but it is not my shirt. everyone knows the implication is he killed someone. obama was supposed to be different, the through boyfriend, young, cooler, hip, not like everyone else. but he is far worse than the old, fat, ex-boyfriend. he just was better at hiding the flaws. >>eric: let's roll the guy in the ad saying that i last my wife and my wife lost her battle with cancer and he tied the two together. here he is from january, went back and looked at this in january talking about this my

intermediate. >> in my case in my department they actually offered to buy our jobs out. >> very important there. that whole ad the attack ad going on right now is painting mitt romney as an evil corporate raider. here is the guy the star of the ad saying wait a minute. romney offered to buy my job out. he offered him an out. >> oh my gosh, the evildoer said, this is actually very unusual. one of the e-mails they actually go to the workers the line workers and try to offer a buyout. people don't do that. that's going beyond the norm which is exceptional. that's a great point. point for romney. who does this to their wife's memory? it really bothers me he would do this and try to use his wife and politicize her death. god rest her soul. all of us have friends and family who lost their lives to cancer. why would you do this? shame on him. this guy was in one other ad,

too. does he have a sad card? he's a paid actor. >> nobody is paying him. he's doing it of his own volition. this is what he wants. he has anger at mitt romney. >> help me out here -- >> his point is, and by the way this is a point on the buyout. the guy wanted his job. he didn't understand why all of a sudden his factory was being sold and jobs sent overseas. that's the power of the ad. a moment ago greg said it's all about romney killing -- >> that's why i say it's a low ball ad. nobody said the president didn't say none of his aids said. >> it is a wink and a nod. >> oh it's a wink and a nod on this but not on anything the whi right wing does to obama. >> get involved in corporate takeovers on both sides takeover and takeover ee. most of the times as kimberly points out there's a severance. usually on plant workers if you shut down a plant there's a

one-week, two-week. this guy admits mitt romney and bane capit -- bain capital wereg one step further which probably meant keep them under insurance for a while as well. this proves joe soptic isn't mad about being mad at capital or mad at obama. >> i think this is all politics. >> if he doesn't want insurance take the buyout. >> in 2005 if you remember one of the things the left did with her is she had -- she was heartbroken because her son had died in the war. she met with the president one time before. the democrats don't check their facts. they hold this whole thing. you met with him before. oh, well -- they string her along for years. now she is on her own.

she has no friends left in the world. they just use people and i think it's sad. >> what happened with the voting of john mccain? >> joe soptic is he another sandra? >> he will be used up. he's a prop. that's all he is. obama knows the best defense is a good offense. this is offensive. >> i am waiting your mama wears combat boots ad. >> my mom did wear combat boots. >> she did? >> love your mom. >> so cute. >> mr. president take a break from the fundraising denounce these gorilla political ads. it is unbecoming of the office. romney has a super pack ad. >> whatever happened to a campaign of hope and change? i thought he was a new kind of politician. >> isn't it time for mitt to get really fired up?

>> kimberly is always fired up and she is honest.

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>> mitt romney made his first public comments about the pro super owe pact ads. >> i think some of the ads out there. whatever happened to a campaign of hope and change? i thought he was a new kind of politician. but instead his campaign and the people working with him have focused almost exclusively on personal attacks, and not at all on the issues of the day which is how to get more jobs and more take home pay. it is really disappointing. >> good response? good enough? >> no. no not good enough. not strong enough. not angry enough. he was basically called a murderer. here's what i think he should

do. he should fire his staff. remember the guy who said the mandate is not. get rid of him. if this guy was in massachusetts. >> you want to fire mitt romney is what you want to do. >> i have said it before the best thing is to go talk to scott walker and say who ran your campaign i would like to hire him. chris christie and say who ran your campaign? >> everybody has been saying it he needs to find his inner pit bull. he has been going up against chicago. he has been going up al capone and the little violin case. he is bringing a spatula to a knife fight. he's got to get a knife. you need a knife not a spatula. >> but if it's not in your nature to do it and to be mean, i know a little something about that. it's really disappointing. example rachel from chik-fil-a. she could have torn after that

guy had a book contract and everything else the guy who attacked her on chick pik-fil-a. disappointing i would like to focus on the issues. >> i know it's supposed to be another coordination between the campaign and the super pact. why doesn't someone sit down and say we need to set this up a little bit. >> i was thinking about this earlier. i think there's a danger in having a response that is measured and calm and let's focus on the issues. because they are in a tight fundraising race right now. if you are about to write a check to one of the campaigns and you want to know are you in this to win i am not going to waste my money on you. are you in it to win it? if there is a sense on either side then that money is not going to come forth. >> you have a response? >> i think one of the things that become clear in addition to the fact that eric wants to get rid of romney is that many republicans including those at the table are saying where is the fire in the belly? it looks like the other guy

really wants it, but is there any evidence our guy wants it? >> it goes back to mitt's background. he is a humble dude. >> if he faces it it's going to be worse. one of the reasons in the next block is about his vp choice. >> what happens when there's a conflict? >> what happens when ahmadinejad says guess what? i got my missiles aimed at you. is he going to be a nice mitt or someone who says no they are not. >> he can take care of business. you have a great point about this. this is romney campaign. a spokeswoman. this was on america's newsroom hosted by bill hemmer. little upset with this. >> what are you talking about? >> obviously it's unfortunate when any one loses their job. this particular case was a plant that was closed years after governor romney left the company. and to that point, if people had

been in massachusetts under governor romney's healthcare plan they would have had healthcare. >> where do you begin? where do you begin? that was just not good. >> ann coulter, your buddy says fire her right now. >> not only is it andrea to come back to eric's point, mitt romney is talking about romney care in positive tones you know what we are going to have to do something about obama care becaui am the guy to do it because i know how to put together a healthcare plan. conservatives abore about to explode. >> the statement people were disheartened by it is because it was irrelevant to the point. your boss is being accused of a murderer when he hadn't been there for 6 years. he had health insurance this is an outrage and you have to have that response. >> i think the policy issue, there's so much anger on the right directed toward president obama tea party revolution over

obama care. now all of a sudden it looks like this guy is embracing a national healthcare plan. >> there are two opportunities in the last couple months for mitt romney and this crew to really go after it. let down after the supreme court decision on obama care and it was a tax. it's a tax because justice robert said it was a tax. it's a tax and eric comes out the very next day the monday and says it's not really a tax. they blew it there. they are blowing this one, too. romney and supporters had a campaign that was ludicrous and a lie and she ties it back to massachusetts healthcare. >> there is another thing that's happening which is because the obama campaign is very good at being negative and they throw things out there at 8:00 in the morning she probably was already booked on bill hemmer's show. she didn't know what she was going to be talking about. she goes on she is not ready.

the best thing to do is sorry can't do the interview. >> you know what, she is the sweetest woman in america. you were trying to make an excuse for her. that's very kind. >> it is plausible. >> it's her job, though. she is supposed to be ready. >> she was on bill hemmer's show. this happens a lot to guests. you were overcome by bill hemmer's charm and you are kind of like a dear in the charm -- deer in the charm headlights. >> is that charm a you'euphemis your -- >> no, can't tive. >> i mean, honestly. opting out. >> can i have a waiver, please? >> you get a chance to talk? he's polite and he's a good journalist he asks you a question you have a chance to

respond. >> are you saying he's just a pretty face? >> i am saying he's a good polite journalist. >> bill hemmer if you are watching you should be happy right now. >> close the door and lock it when you leave. >> coming up, the latest name flying around is paul ryan. what are the upside and down sides of a romney ryan ticket? we are going to take a look at the wisconsin congressman coming up next right when we come back. max.

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we are in territory. we are in the zone. it could be any day now. you wrote a column in the hill just the other day august 6th in which you said you think he needs to make the choice sooner rather than later. >> i wrote it for foxnews.com. >> you wrote for the hill as well. >> yes, i did. the reason is, literally need to know out of the conversation we have been having around the table today he needs to change the narrative. he needs to go on to an offensive where it is about mitt romney and what he can bring to the table and what he is going to do for the economy and introduce a new shiny toy that everybody is going to focus on and forget about the european trip forget about the taxes and bain. let's go with mitt romney and mitt romney's running mate. he wants to do the bus tour this weekend. >> maybe that's where -- let's look at a poll that just came

out. this is a cnn poll that came out the other day. asked likely republican and lean republican voters who they would like to see as a vp pick. rubio 28 percent. this is kimberly's favorite. >> i love him. >> chris christie at 16. also congressman paul ryan at 16 and jindal at 8. two other talked about ryan portman at 6 percent and pawlenty at 4 percent. >> i think pawlenty and portman would be a mistake. i think he needs to shake up the ticket a little bit. he needs more far right on the ticket to get the true conservatives back in the game. rubio would do the trick would help him with hispanic vote and florida vote. i like paul ryan. smart guy. essentially he's the best choice of them all. >> about a month ago our colleague you see him more often than we do steve hayes wrote a piece in the standard a feature piece about paul ryan not about

possible vp candidate but about himself. in that really ryan is not giving any interviews he has been low profile. he is not running for president. that was when i first thought okay i think it could be him. he has been so quiet. >> i totally think so. first a lot of people are talking about him. he's for limited government. wants to caugut back on spendine wants lower taxes. he has real platforms real ideas about what to do to fix this broken government. this is not a foreign policies election it's about government and what you think it should have. >> to that point greg one of the things people are worried about is he polls badly he suggested entitlement reform. we already called him a murderer. what are they going to say about mitt romney and paul ryan ticket about medicare. rich wrote a piece today don't be afraid of paul ryan. you are already a little bit pregnant and they already endorsed paul ryan. >> you read a lot today.

you read like four columns. >> very studious. >> she wakes up early. >> ryan is basically the polar opposite of president obama. he wants to grow the economy obama wants to grow the government. it's the individual verses the entitleis entitleists. he has a hairline. you put that hairline with mitt romney's hair. it's like the hairline of the century. >> and cheekbones and jaw lines. amazing. >> can i make one more point, kimberly. i don't know why i said your name. when you listen to people talk about their vp candidate what they are saying is the person they really wanted as president am i right pretty much? >> 1 i keep hear that go i don't buy that. you said that earlier. is that true? >> barack obama you would think he would have picked hillary. >> he is saying the people

wavenlt>> they are disappointed in the choice they have wouldn't it be great if it was chris christie. he should be vp. >> the big push today for paul ryan was in the wall street journal. no insider now. >> i am sorry. if you know who the pick is you go right ahead. >> no, i don't. >> what you when you think about it he is young and energetic. >> you think a pick for vice president should be about the future of the party? >> it has to be. if it goes anywhere it has to reach out to minorities and women. >> and it has to deal with the real problems. >> that's what he is talking about he's talking about the economy. he's a budget committee chair in the house.

negative it will become open season on republicans people who want to cut medicare do away with social security. that's what the election would become. >> if it is paul ryan does it stop the drawbacks they have with romney and mass care? >> you agree with the nominee. it's not paul ryan who is at the top of the ticket it's mitt romney. >> i am dying to ask you who you want? who do you think would help him win? >> who would help him win would be people like, guess what, condoleezza rice would help him win. marco rubio i don't know. he is kind of young. i think pawlenty is being underestimated and portman. >> you are trying to sabotage. >> no. >> talk about the big rumor which was general petraeus. >> that was a total total rabbit. >> drama on the track today.

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>> fox news polls on the presidential election and the lathes details on that hugely controversial super pack ad blaming mitt romney for the death of a cancer patient. the revelation that the man seen in that ad was offer add buyout from bain capital when the steel plant shut down. his wife died 5 years after he lost that job. what the campaigns are saying today. we don't know who mitt romney will choose hz has his number 2.

we profile paul ryan. >> president obama wants to dug the clinton era reform. we will take a fair and balanced look at the facts. in the greapevine controversies over other political ad advertisements. now send it back to new york. ♪ >> welcome back to "the five" the olympics are supposed to be a chance for countries to put aside political differences and compete on a level playing field. but americans have gotten cheap shots from other countries. american basketball player carmello anthony got hit in the -- well groin while shooting a three pointer in a game against argentina. the argentinean got away with it. that's not the only instance. i don't know if you follow what

happened to abby wamba when you have the player who sucker punched her. that player has been suspended for two games. >> was that the punch -- or the canadian soccer player who stepped on the american's face when she was there on the ground. >> you know whose fault this is? president obama. >> since he became president the respect for athletes has gone down dramatically. i was thinking if president obama ran the olympics everyone would start with a medal but it would be a mediocre medal you wouldn't race because why bother you already have the medal. if you want 19 like michael phelps you give the medal. >> moving up ceremony. >> redistributor. >> you don't need that medal do you? oo it would have chocolate in the middle. >> that would be cool.

>> that would be cool. >> the second point is what is with all of the crime and people biting the middle. there should be chocolate in the middle. >> what is the biting? >> let me ask you something. if you won a gold medal and i saw kimberly standing up there right there with the american flag behind her the anthem playing would you cry? >> i probably would. >> everybody the guys everybody has to cry now? oo i record the olympics so i play it backwards. you have a young girl on the podium crying she runs off and performs a gymnastic routine and she is happy again. >> is it jews being done to make them more marketable? >> i think they are real. even as a spectator i know somebody who cried during the and de murray roger federer match at the end with murray

won. >> you? >> no somebody close to me. >> it's okay to run up the score. >> you feel bad. >> look what happened with the basketball player. argentinean guy hits anthony below the belt. now the u.s. team they might mede them again in the finals. they should run the score. beat them by 50. >> the reason i asked you that is usa men's basketball team didn't they win by 120 points? at some point do you put in the substitutes. >> the u.s. substitutes they are pretty good. >> it is not our way. >> in the green room you said the people that lose should be executed. >> i believe in rules and consequences. that is why i am a conservative. >> on an emotional level what happened to torres the south

african runner. you see when the south african team is running they get disqualified because they have a collision on the track runners running into each other. as a result he will not be -- he was not going to be able to run. but now the officials have said in fact the south african team will be allowed to run tomorrow. they will have nine lanes instead of 8. we will get to see the so-called blade runner and take it to another level in terms of those running. >> they decided they could participate and run in the 9th lane. it was a great decision. i was very excited. >> will you cry at the sight? >> i was very sad for him the fact that he wasn't going to be able to run. it was through no fault of their own. now they have reck fied the situation. >> i cried when iraqis weren't going to be able to go in the 08 olympics because of a technical error. when i watched them walk in i was really proud of them. >> it's emotional.

>> we have hearts. >> you ruined it. >> the story i think it's unfair to people who -- people upset about it they should cut their leg wills off. >> in a couple of years the technology is going to be so superior that this will never be a question again. it will be so good that no athlete with actual legs will be able to beat him. this is a one-time thing. >> four years from now -- >> you mean like the movies where robo fighters will have robo -- >> yes, i hope so. >> coming up her courageous gold medal vault made her a legend. we continue with our olympian series with keri shrug. >> she is here in the studio.

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>> welcome back to olympics today. the u.s. women's gymnastic team made history this week by taking gold for only the second time ever. the magnificent 7 were the first. 16 years before that. it was one of the most dramatic victories in olympic history and here's how it happened. >> last to go she is the only one who can do it. >> she will also perform the same vault you just saw mocianeu sit down two on a rin a row on. >> oh. three falls in a row for the americans. >> she is limping. >> she is hurt. >> that would be really bad news, john. >> you can do it. you can do it. >> she will go when she is ready.

(cheers) applause flaws (cheers and applause) >> keri strug is hurt. she is hurt badly. >> she finished the vault. >> standing on one leg. >> we have got to find out -- a 9.712. she has done it. keri strug has won the gold medal for the united states team. >> keri strug's landing on an injured ankle was hard to watch. she became an inspiration to us all. there are some who viewed her victory with malice. while some see keri's great achievement as a testament of perseverance others felt pain and envy about why wasn't it me. why wasn't it me? why did it have to be her and

not me. i for one salute the 4 foot 9, 78 pound strug for her memmerable victory even if others tear her down. there were little people like strug who were giants and little people who were just little. strug went on to call it and beca -- college and became a schoolteacher and later an author. i wonder what became of that other person. >> this is so bad. >> really it's something else dana. >> it's what happens when you stick with something rather than give up on it. >> looks like single white female there. >> i was really upset. i couldn't sleep. decided to go into politics. >> he is crying about an olympic segment. >> it was beautiful. she has kids now she has a wonderful life. don't know what else to say

about her other than -- >> you choose to do this segment. >> i was told i had a body of a gymnast. i kept it in a freezer. >> bit of a resemblance. >> who? >> between me and strug? >> yes. little bit. >> ombudsman on red eye refuses to watch gymnastics because she believes it is cruel to kids. doesn't like it. >> just the chinese team. we are nice. >> they do leave home at a very young age. we were talking to marylou retton. it's unusual for the people in the states to go away from her home. she went from west virginia to houston to train with bella karolyi. i read a lot today. >> that guy he's unbelievable. he jumps up in the stand and challenges it. he was able to get her the bronze. >> he is a delegate.

wherever he goes he's in the picture. >> nobody cares. i have a feeling these olympic moments we are running out of them aren't we? >> tg hint more ron. it's an an anagram for one more thing. >> oh i like that.

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watermelons today. >> i am at the stair climber at the gym balis. not my favorite place. they do this segment on the shooter in wisconsin. they said this horrible act sleds light on white supremacists in the military. there's no real statistics no trend no real facts. they took a horrible event and used the phrase sheds light took a nonstory to smear the military. >> maybe the two wrongs make a right. >> shed light is when you have a barn outside that gives you light. >> i have another cute animal story. the baby black bear so cute with the sweet tooth so i can relate broke into the rocky mountain

chocolate shop and roy eating the chocolates and candies. went right through the front door didn't break anything. helped himself. it was at the park english toffee one of my favorites. >> we have never seen any white guys engaged in any shooting. >> by the way -- >> new way, nick woolen dau. i want you to look at this. this is great video. nick wolenda walking on a high wire atlantic city 100 feet in the air, 1,300 feet long. he is walking between the atlantic club casino and tropicana casino remember just last month he was walking over niagara falls. too much fun. >> attention seeker. >> i think one more thing is more fascinating than anybody elses. i have been in communication

with a guy named skaf ford in the zoo park in arizona. this is an endangered turtle. stop laughing, greg. and the two of them -- now they are at the zoo. the reason i think this is cool is this place is privately owned they get no government money they do it all on their ticket sales. there's no tax payer dollars. these people care about animals and they figured out a way to market it. i appreciate them sending me the e-mail. >> see you tomorrow. adios. >> new fox polls on the presidential race. the effects of the attack ads. this is "special report." >> i am bret baier.

we will tell you about big movement in the latest head to head match ups in new fox polls in just a moment. first the red hot controversy over an obama super pact add blaming romney for a cancer death leaves both sides of the aisle scratching their heads. the more we learn the less the ad appears to hold up. >> president obama continues to renounce the republican super pact ads. >> you have these super pacts that are just going crazy. >> yet the white house and obama campaign will still not criticize a democratic super pact ad suggesting romney deserves blame for joe soptic's wife dying of cancer. bain capital did not treat him as badly as implied. the steel worker saying he was offered a buyout.

>> in my department they actually offer to do buy our jobs out from underneath us. >> bain took over goc steel and shut it down. he said in reference to romney i am not blaming him for her death i wouldn't do that. hard to do that anyway since soptic's wife had her own health insurance after the plant shut down. she died five years after the company went bankrupt. all reasons they had a stinging review from romney himself who charged the president's ool l s allies are focusing on attacks. >> whatever happened to a campaign of hope and change. i thought he was a new kind of politician. >> while obama campaign spokeswoman yesterday claimed chicago was in the dark saying we didn't have any knowledge of the story of the family, today soptic acknowledged they had a conference call with soptic in may but stressed chicago is not coordinating with white house aid bill burton.